Backyard, DIY MFT on a Budget [video 490]
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this video I leave the safety of the workshop for wilderness of my back garden where I build the cheapest #DIY #MFT -alike that I can, using scrounged or #recycled materials, and a basic toolset. Enjoy!
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Videos mentioned / of interest:-
Ikea Curtain track DIY MFT - • DIY MFT with Ikea Curt...
DIY MFT follow-on - • DIY MFT vlog-style fol...
Dave Stanton’s Dog Stop video - • DIY track saw guide ra...
Extrusion Confusion - a guide to MFT hardware - • Extrusion Confusion - ...
3 Easy Wins; New Benchtops - • 3 Easy Wins - New Benc...
Benchdogs FenceDogs - • Fencedogs 👍👍👍 [#212]
Benchdogs fence - • Benchdogs Fence System...
Sautershop Variobench - • SauterShop VarioBench ...
Parkside or Macallister Plunge Saw? - • Lidl Parkside or Screw...
Pocket-money Rail Square - • Pocket-money Rail Squa...
Square Cuts: MFT or Rail Square? - • Square cuts: MFT or Ra...
All my tracksaw-related videos are in a playlist here - bit.ly/Tracksaw...
New to the MFT or MultiFunction Table? Here’s a couple of explainers:-
Festool MFT - • Festool MFT #182
MFT follow-on - • MFT follow up #183
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Featured/mentioned in this video:-
Note that prices fluctuate - some have risen since I made my purchases.
Macallister plunge saw - available in the UK from B&Q stores at diy.com
10.8v drill/driver [similar] - amzn.to/3tQAEJ0
Rutlands T-Track - www.rutlands.c...
M6 roofing bolts - www.screwfix.c...
20mm conduit - www.toolstatio...
Guiderail connector [similar] - tools4trade.co...
Folding crates now discontinued - google 'folding euro crate 56 litre' for something similar.
MFT/3 top from CNC design - www.cncdesign....
Other handy gear:-
Hultafors Talmeter tape measure - amzn.to/2pHwnbH (US: amzn.to/2oqLQc9)
Benchdogs rail square - bit.ly/bench-dogs
Benchdogs precision triangle/square - bit.ly/precisi...
Festool PDC 18/4 - amzn.to/2s3J0eq (US: amzn.to/2tWUHEL)
Festool Domino - amzn.to/2pVSnMk (US: amzn.to/2o7E22Q)
Bessey DuoKlamp - amzn.to/3eDz1Ig (US: amzn.to/3w1s1dM)
Festool lever clamp - amzn.to/2pOohLD (US: amzn.to/2pnFZIM)
Festool MFT - amzn.to/2x49HHE (US: amzn.to/2J25aKy)
Festool Midi extractor - amzn.to/2tCIN3Q (US: amzn.to/2rKNIOx)
Festool TS55 Tracksaw - amzn.to/2pGvzDS (US: amzn.to/2oOgGhw)
Festool T18 drill/driver - amzn.to/2QAHpK1 (US: amzn.to/2RPuOCR)
Hultafors Talmeter tape measure - amzn.to/2pHwnbH (US: amzn.to/2oqLQc9)
Moldex 6810 in-ear defenders - amzn.to/2P2c5nP (US:amzn.to/2LgIsye)
Mirock square - etsy.me/2MC0RT
Mirock 500mm T-ruler - etsy.me/365P0KE
Bahco 6” combi square - amzn.to/2oumhX4 (US: amzn.to/2ouSg9k)
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Rag 'n' Bone Millard!! I like it 👍
Haha! You taught me everything I know Keith! 😂 👍
Whats next Ten Minute Brown?
What I enjoy about low cost, simple builds (and videos) like this is they lay the foundation for future projects as skills improve and tools increase.
Love the idea of basic builds! Looking forward to them!
Thanks! 👍
Me too!
Me three.
Basic builds are exactly what I'm here for. Expensive tool builds are fun to watch but budget tool builds are what make me head to the shed and start projects.
Love how you are turning the expensive world of high-end tools on its head a bit!
Haha, thanks! Love a cheap tool me! 😆 👍
Thanks Peter for another excellent video. I’m now retired and living in Orlando,Florida having had my own business for 40+ years making fitted furniture. How I wish I was working again, if for no other reason than being able to utilise your great ideas. My working life, although treasured, could have been made that much easier. I’ve nothing but admiration for your skill, your content and the relaxed way in which you present it. My very best wishes and long may you continue to inform and entertain us.
Thanks Bryn! 👍🙌
Looking forward to the basics builds! This type of content makes me realize that builds can be so much easier and affordable if you want to. Inspires me to not overcomplicate shop projects. I’m very interested in seeing you routing a t-slot. I wonder if they provide enough strength to clamp to. I’ve wanted to try this, because it seems so easy compared to store-bought t-tracks.
Thanks! Yes, I think as makers we do tend to make things complex for ourselves, sometimes! I’m also interested in the t-slot cutters, because I’m also curious about the strength aspect! 👍👍
It's a great idea for a series - I'm really looking forward to it
Loved this video. As someone without a workshop or shed this has inspired me to build one of these. Thanks so much.
Thank you! 🙌👍
Same here and absolutely agree.
I'm going to start gathering up the supplies and give this a go later on in the summer too. Think I may make the dogs out of dowels but otherwise it's going to be basically the same.
Thankfully there's an IKEA not too far away!
Truly an economical MFT top.Yes I would like to see some Micro Jig applications.As always,a very good video.P.S. loved the shot of your patio area
I like the basic concept and showing how most can do it in a backyard
What is the purpose of the t track on the front face? How will that be useful? Perhaps you illustrated this in an earlier video, but I missed in this one what it’s purpose is. Thank you.
It’s used for clamping, and for attaching the rail hinge front support.
Another great build, I’m really looking forward to making one myself. I’m not sure if you already done so, but if not, I think telling beginners about the basics of piloting holes and screwing stuff together would be invaluable. I see beginners drill too large or too small pilot holes for the screws, especially in MDF and then too big in softer timber. Also see clearance holes too big/small in the outside material. Screw choice obvs makes a big difference, so for beginners really confusing. Nothing worse for them than finding a screw binds before driving home or continually turns 👍🏻
Thanks Andy. That's an idea I've had on the back-burner for a while, but thought it might be too basic. But I still keep coming back to it! I always struggle with the translation issue too - a 4mm pilot for a 5mm screw won't help if you think in terms of 'inch and a quarter by eight...' Still, there's definitely something in it. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yeah, I find when teaching my 2 boys, it’s tougher than you first think. I’ve some of the old Screwfix self-countersinking and drilling screws that do a great job in some woods but struggle in mdf. New things come onto the market all the time, so for us DIYers, learning about new and better kit, even screws is great. With a spot on pilot in mdf, you don’t need a deep thread on a screw, but you know what it’s like screwing into soft end grain 😆
I think the answer to what pilot bit to use is to take the diameter of the screw minus the thread height. Put another way, measure the part of the screw that the threads attach to, the central shaft where the threads project from.
@@jeffstanley4593 I’d say this is fine sometimes. If you’re screwing big stuff together, you can end up with the screw threading in both pieces of wood, tightening, but not pulling the joint together as well as it might. Some of those old countersinking screws I’ve got, declare no pilot hole needed and definitely cut up near the shank, so tighten well. Just in tight grain, they have a tough time. The stainless versions were always shearing on me without a pilot hole and ended up getting redesigned with a strengthened shank, though I’m still wary and use an under sized pilot to give them an easier time.
As an absolute beginner, this would be very helpful! Now I understand this may not necessarily make a good longer video, so how about doing multiple shorts? Really break it down for people like me who only know the difference a nail, screw and bolt 😅
An excellent (slight) change of direction for the channel. Hooked!
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter. What was the material you used as a sacrificial board when using the plunge saw?
Scrap MDF. 👍
Beautiful backyard considering it’s Hammersmith!! ££££👊
Great Job as always. Here in the stats we don't have the 20mm PVC pipe, but you could substitute some benchdogs from Etsy for about $25.
What a pain the vac hose can be, watching your video Peter I'm going to try a hanging system wit a washing line, cheers.
Edit, and working in the garden when it's windy. 🙄
Thanks Peter, shows what you can achieve with just a few simple tools. I was disappointed though with your extravagant use of quality Spax screws, you could have been much more cost conscious with some Lidl-special screws, and then the wood glue, not making your own out of flour and water?? Londoners, made of money 😝
Flour *and* water? We used to dream about flour and water… 😂
Hi Peter, you mention that by allowing an overhang this will reduce the length of the crosscut (then you post text on the video "if using a fence"). Can you explain why that would be the case as I am being a little slow this morning.
Sorry, badly worded whilst speaking off the cuff. What I meant was that if you have the overhang, then you won’t be able to mount a rail hinge (not without taking up benchtop space) so you’ll be left using either the dog locks or rail dogs, both of which will reduce the cut width to the max. distance between the dog holes, or more if you use a fence as this will sit in front of the last row of dog holes. Hope that makes sense! P
@@10MinuteWorkshop It does and thank you for taking time to answer people's comments.
Great video as always Peter. What height would you recommend a typical bench to be? I'm just shy of 6ft. I was thinking 40" perhaps?
Having just retired and taking up a new hobby of wood working to keep my mind ticking, I would love to see some basic builds.
Watching this video has shown me that to build something so useful you don't have to own the most expensive tools. I really enjoy your videos but could never justify expensive tooling for a hobby. This is a game changer for me. Thank you Peter.
Thanks Steve! 👍
Nice job mate. I think the thing about woodwork or have a go DIY, is it seems like an accessible endeavour at first. Then the realisation of cost of tools and materials kicks in! Great vid to help people get started who don't have a workshop and few tools.👌 Always worth a scrounge for materials too. Do ask if it's off a site though folks! They'll usually be glad to get rid but don't just take it.
Cheers Stew! Oh yes, always ask; just because it looks like it's on the scrap pile, doesn't always mean it's scrap! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yeah, I've also seen site managers completely lose it with people taking stuff even if it's skipped. Best avoided 😄 Can't remember why now but on large corporate builds there were tight rules on giving materials away (as in not don't). Daft but doesn't hurt to ask.👍
This is great. I enjoyed both builds. I do have the Microjig thingy and would like to see how you would do that. Always great videos. I look forward to the next build.
loving the basic builds videos. I'll be watching them from my 6x5 shed :)
Nice and cosy! 👍
6x5? Ha! Luxury! 🤣
Enjoyed this. Coming around to the idea that I need something to make square cuts quickly and reliably using the track-saw. No dedicated workshop sadly, only a chaotic family garage, so something like this might be just the ticket for me.
As always informative and interesting. Basic builds is a good idea.
This is the show I’ve been waiting for. This is for the weekend DIYer who isn’t a pro, can’t afford pro tools, but would like to get better at building beyond rough carpentry. Thanks Peter.
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Peter what happened to the basic build seres?
Got sidelined by workshop and house renovations. It’ll be back this year. 👍
You have completely converted me from the evolution mitre saw and rage table saw - to the track saw. Thank you! Yes - I am going to build this sort of table, as I have to make ideally looking 12 steps on my single stringer staircase. Your video about dowel pins gave me enough confidence to spend £1000 on ash and to start glueing. Thank you!
In my part of the world it seems all the CNC places have looked at Festool's prices and just set that as their price, plus shipping of course. Makes all the fancy jigs to make your own seem a much better deal, specially if you are likely to have to make a couple over the years.
Finally am good starting video. Not needing an ready workshop to build your workshop is highly welkom 👍
I am looking into using a mft to produce cuts that are square. And here you are not even using the mft nor clamps and just relying on your rail to stay in the right spot.
Surely this means I need to develope some skill to use my rail saw.
Can any Mft top supplier contact me Im in Ireland and can't get one here 😔
Love the idea of basic builds with basic tools so look forward to those. Given that routers can be pretty inexpensive, t slot routing would be interesting too.
A month too late! I built my own MFT bench after watching your track saw series (best thing I have watched on UA-cam) and I'm now cutting up square and straight 18mm MDF as if I was born to it.
No, you were a month too early, Paul! 😂 And thanks - great to hear it's working out for you. 👍👍
One Question Peter, why spend £39 on a piece of 18mm MDF with some holes drilled in it 😂 - I’m no genius, but drawing a grid and drilling some equally spaced holes, really isn’t difficult, nor does it require much in the way of tools ? - Julie
Well, I make videos for all levels of ability Julie, and if you’re happy making a perfectly square grid of 20mm holes on 96mm centres with just a drill then that’s what you should do. But for the folks who may find that a challenge - or just not a productive use of their time - then paying £39 for a factory-fresh guaranteed square and bench dog friendly MFT top is a steal. Of course, if you just want it for clamping and cuttings, and squareness or bench dog compatibility isn’t a big deal - and my first portable bench that I used for years was just holes plugged in a top with a 20mm spade bit - then none of that matters.👍👍
I've just (last week) grabbed the matchfit pro kit and it's a complete game changer for me. It's trivial to use, set the height with the included guide, set your fence, route away. Done. The slots are much stronger than the t-slot cut (with router bit) track,Yeah, it's not really cheap but then I was looking at buying a table for my drill press (£130 :( ), ended up buying matchfit and making my own. Honestly, took me 10 minutes to make the base with slots and a matching fence. The hardest part of the matchfit system was extracting the router bit from its case (it took me longer than making the table!). I'd recommend it wholeheartedly. I'm about to add the dovetail 'tracks' to my home made mft, in between the dogholes for endless clamping opportunities.
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The only real downside is having to buy their clamps but given you can add these tracks to pretty much anything I'm not sure it's a giant problem. You can also get little plastic parts for making your jigs without using the clamps.
Beginning to sound like an advert now so I'll stop..
Great video, again, though Peter.
Good to know, thanks Andy! 👍
Great build peter, i tinker in my shed but being disabled money can be tight so its good to see budget type projects that are made with basic tools, looking forward to seeing more in the future. Thanks for sharing this project.
Thank you! 🙌
This is such a great project. Unfortunately, MFT tops are so much more expensive here in Germany. They come at around 130€ and by that they over my budget :( 40 Pound is such a great price.
I really enjoy watching your videos, I learn so much every time.
Thanks! Yes, it’s an odd anomaly that they’re a commodity item here. 🤷♂️👍
Thanks again Peter I really enjoyed that and show what can be done on a budget and a size to suit someone starting off in woodworking. Almost makes me wonder about a basic builds workshop…
Love the idea of basics builds. Any tips with the McAllister? I've got one but it tends to "burn" the MDF if I've plunged and then cut. (It's only 18mm MDF but yours looks like it goes through like butter!) I can't decide if it's that the blade is blunt (it's the original) or if it's not cutting true and is rubbing as I move the saw along ! Been through your back catalogue but couldn't see any tips on the McAllister
Check / clean the blade. The resin in ply and mdf builds up quickly.
Thanks James! What Andrew said tbh - either clean the blade or try an alternative. I haven’t done much on the MacA other than compare it to the Lidl Parkside, simply because it’s a dead ringer for the old Titan. 👍👍
Off topic question: you use “quid” and “pound” seemingly interchangeably. In my mind like we (US) will use “dollar” and “buck” to mean the same. Are there nuances of either word that makes you lean to one word or the other in any particular situation? Please for give my ignorance.
No, quid and pound are interchangeable, like buck and dollar - one is slang for the other. 👍
Where did you pay £39 + delivery? I'm looking at £52 + £18 delivery. I remember you did recommend a supplier a while back but I can't find the video now :-(
Links in the video description. 👍 MFT/3 top from CNC design - www.cncdesign.co.uk/replacement-perforated-festool-type-mft3lp-top.html
Gone up by £6 since I bought mine by the looks of it. 🤷♂️👍
I’m going to build one soon. How would the weight compare if I used 18 & 12mm birch ply for the frame and same mdf top? How is MR MDF in a unseated, uninsulated concrete block garage? I was thinking ply with some nice sealant on it might fair better over the years? Thanks for the inspirational videos again Peter.
Thanks! Lighter, certainly; 18mm Birch is about 11Kg/sqM, 18mm MRMDF is 15Kg/sqM - though you're not using all that much for the frame! Hard to advise without knowing how damp it might get or the temperature extremes, but I'd say the plywood option would be the wise/cautious option, yes. 👍
Great video as always Peter. Looking forward to the “Basic Builds” videos. As I only have a very small work space and budget tools myself will be very interesting to see what’s possible. 👍
The videos are really informative and enjoyable. I can see that you use a plunge saw on track extensively for a large variety of jobs. I have a makita 165mm circular saw and would like to start doing some small woodworking projects for the house. Would you recommend getting a track saw (like the Mac Allister in the video) or a medium size router first ? Cheers.
Thanks! I find a track saw generally much to use than a circular saw with infinitely better dust collection, so if you’re working out of a smaller space then that would be my first choice. Routers are wonderful tools and I have a few, it they don’t get used as much as the saw. 👍👍
I am severely restricted for space in the UK. I have a 2m x 1m tool store in which I keep my tools, including 2 trestles. Sunny day woodworker! Currently I use an MFT top resting on a piece of OSB. If I made one of these "MFTs on a budget", it would need to be less "deep". Did you choose the depth of the sides to suit your existing MFT supports or for rigidity? I would need to store mine on its side and it would need to be slimmer when on edge.
Looking forward to your plywood rail hinge video.
When you say deep, I assume you mean the height of the frame, not front-to-back depth? If so the decision was two-fold; firstly at 200mm high it gives a good clamping area if you need to keep a workpiece perpendicular to the MFT top. My OEM MFT was about 160mm, but that was aluminium. HTH P 👍
The usual high quality of production and information! I have a table saw, but you've convinced me that for large sheet goods, taking the tool to the work is a much better and safer option. So I've just bought a Mafell tracksaw (it's only money), and have re-watched most of your tracksaw videos before purchase. Now of course I'm going to have to build an MFT-style bench. Even my wife says your videos are easy to listen to... Hope she doesn't take up wood-working! Looking forward to your new series. Thanks and all the best.
Thank you! Mafell’ as great saw. 👍👍
Really like the basics idea. Loved the simple build MFT. Looking forward to seeing how well it works out. Thanks for the share.
would you recommend having an MFT setup like yours if you already have a sliding table saw, a table saw, a stationary miter saw, and a sliding miter saw XD?
i just like how cool it looks.
Also would appreciate if you mention a rough price in dollars for us american dummys.
I don’t have any of those things, so hard to say - and a lot will depend on the kind of work you do. MFT benches are great with sheet goods, not so much with natural timbers. And I’ll start giving out costs in dollars when Steve Ramsey starts giving measurements in millimetres. 👍😂
Just bought one of those tops, seems to be unaffected by inflation at present. will try and follow the rest of these steps.
Thanks for the video, the channel, and absolutely everything you post… I am looking at building exactly that to have it stored and use it in my garden when I need it. Quick question(s): What about an overhang on the short side? Any particular uses for that? Also, If I were to use trestles that I already have to go underneath. How you you secure them to the top and still be able disassemble? Thanks again for your content
Thanks! The overhang is for any time you want to clamp a workpiece to the bench using eg regular clamps instead of rail clamps through the holes; if you feel
An overhang in the short side would be beneficial to you, it’s simple adjustment to make. 👍
Peter, as usual advice taken. My top arrived yesterday & what i would like to know is that product you finished yours with suitable for ply. If not could you advise. Costing me a fortune your videos but the returns are well worth it. Im rubbish but what a buzz this whole journey. The community, the digging out short cuts the whole kaboohz. Many thanks for intro. Keep on.
Thanks Steven! I’ve used all kinds to protect the top - water-based poly, clear varnish, hard wax oil, Danish oil, beeswax - and never really found much difference between them, tbh. Use whatever you have - just remember to clean out the holes with a benchdog before it dries! You’ll thank me later! 😂👍
Feck yeah: a repurposing project after my own dumpster-diving heart!
Haha, thanks! 👍
The price went from 39 pounds to 50 quid with shipping.
Most North Americans: 🤔…
Most North Americans will have to google it! Just as most non-Americans do when they start talking in 17/32ths” 👍👍
Who manufactures that mft top? Reason i ask is that i see replacement tops sold for festool mft's. I have the UJK Parf guide system and all my TSO dogs fit snug. I put those same dogs in the Festool MFT that a contractor had on the jobs and they were sloppy in the holes.
It’s an issue as old as the MFT, and one I’ll talk about in detail when I cover the DIY MFT top jigs, but shirt version: Festool never intended the MFT for Benchdogs’s, the holes were always for clamping - Festool have never made a benchdog. On an OEM Festool MFT the holes are 20.16mm, whereas the rest of the work has standardised on 20mm. 🤷♂️👍
As a beginning woodworker I simply can’t follow what you’re doing
I’m sorry to hear that; once you’ve learned a bit more be sure to stop by again as it’s really not that hard to follow. 👍
I saw you using 3x50 mm screws. What is the size of the pre drill bit you’re using?
3.5mm x 50 screws, and a 3mm pilot holt. 👍
Really like this one, about to build somthing similar. On a tight budget, as a lot of us are and will be😬 Looking forward to the next in the series 👍
If you would be somewhere near Dartford Crossing, give me a shout, I have that Microjig matchfit router bit in case you'd like to borrow and test.
Thanks Chris! I have some coming, but appreciate the offer! 👍
Pardon my ignorance but what is the purpose of the horizontal T-Track?
For clamping anything perpendicular to the from apron. 👍
Peter when it comes to watching you videos I would probably watch you opening a letter if it involved a plunge saw and your presenting style and video. So I would be interested to see a build with where you make your own T track using a router.
Thanks Colin! You'll love my next video then - opening a letter with a plunge saw... 😂
Can anyone in the U.S. recommend a place to get a fairly inexpensive MFT top? They seem to be more expensive here and less common to find than in England. And shipping overseas makes it cost prohibitive.
Not yet, but I’ve been contacted by someone who may be setting a service up, so watch this space. 👍👍
Love that Peter. Fantastic idea, as always. Gardens looking well too lol...
The new series sounds brilliant. Can see that doing very well. Look forward to those. 👍👍
Cheers Barry! 👍
Really like this idea and video, start building the bits you need to build better pieces. Quick question, the metal track on the front edge/side of your MFT top, what is it for? You never mentioned in the video what it is for and didn't see you use it in the video, sorry if obvious question but new to this.
It’s for clamping, or adding stops and accessories. If you’re new to the whole MFT workbench concept,m there’s a whole playlist with all the MFT related stuff isn’t it. Might be worth watching the previous workshop MFT build too, links in description. Ikea Curtain track DIY MFT - ua-cam.com/video/223QALIbnRc/v-deo.html 👍
With the DIY dog locks... isn't there a risk if they are not both exactly identical that the track would no longer be parallel to the dog holes? And how to avoid that?
No, as I say at around 5:20, the idea is that the shape of the dog lock wedges the rail against the benchdog, so it bears against the same surface every time. 👍 I explain the making of them in more detail - with a cameo from Dave Stanton - in the previous video, link in description. 👍
I'm from the conlonies (USA) can you convert your mentions of cost in pounds to dollars in your videos. I'm too lazy to google it
Only when UA-camrs from the US start converting 17/32ths” to mm… 👍
Can I stand on the shoulders of giants for a moment.
I reached out to a local CNC firm and asked what it would cost to drill some holes and turn a sheet of 18mm MDF into MFT.
Spec:
18mm sheet of MDF - 1220 x 2440mm
Size of holes: 20mm
Spacing centres 100mm
Distance from edge 100mm
All pilfered from rag'n'bone's video..
They want 120 + VAT to drill it.
They mentioned the final board would be 2400 x 1200 - think to accommodate this, not sure if that would include squaring it up.
My question is, for a 1.2x2.4m MDF is that good? essentially just shy of £200 with some lugging around.. is that good? it feels pricey to me
Including the materials? Yes, that’s a fair price. A channel member of mine paid about £180 last year for something similar.
@@10MinuteWorkshop yeah so £200 is me buying and then giving them the sheet and them then drilling.
Great cheap build and considering whether to make a table top now… do you feel it is not wise to add a cross member under the centre of the table to prevent the top bowing ? I have found tops will generally do this in fairly short order if not locked flat.
Thanks. Provided you use a decent MRMDF top there’s negligible sagging with a grid of holes, so a crossmember isn’t necessary - no OEM MFT-style bench maker supplies one - but if it makes you happier then go for it. I did get noticeable sagging when I added in a grid of t-slots though, but a simple crossmember sorted that out. 👍
Thirty nine pounds = $70 Au, I thought I'd be in like Flynn at $70, but starting at $107, and up to $350, I'll give it a miss.
Great build, is there a specifc dim for the thin strips that go either side if the T track....? Do you have a video that shows the side rail in action and it's applications thanks :)
The dimensions are based around the previous MFT build, which used the Dashboard PWS rail hinge; if you don’t plan to add that then make them whatever size you like. The front t-track is used for clamping all the time - see the current video (3 drawers, no tape, no ruler) in the ‘basic build’ series where I’m cutting rebates. 👍
Great build Peter,how about a raised Dog feeding stand build?
😂👍
Hi Peter, I really enjoyed this video and learned a lot. I was in the middle of an upgrade to my workbench when I listened to a podcast from Fine Woodworking where I learned about MFTs. I had planned to put dog holes in the new bench top but wasn't sure as to how many and in what orientation, i.e. only along the direction of the wagon vice or add some across the width of the table. After learning about MFTs and watching this video that was recommended on the Fine Woodworking podcast (and UA-cam channel), I decided to go with a grid of dog holes that would give me some functionality of an MFT. Thanks for your great videos and easy-to-follow process and I added credit to you in my video of my bench top upgrade. ua-cam.com/video/J80u5XmS2zo/v-deo.html
Stanton dog locks to the rescue!
Always! 🙌
This is amazing, thank you!
Can anyone buy the table top from Wrexham? If so, where can i find info please.
Yes. Link is in the video description, under ‘used/featured in this video’ 👍
Brilliant video! Makes things seem so much more achievable for us novices. Thanks so much!
Thanks! 👍
Great video - very inspiring. I want to build my own MFT and after checking the suppliers from your list, I am confused a little. The T track from Rutlands is offered at 1000mm length however the MTF top is 1102 in length. In the video you had to trim the tack. I am assuming it was longer than 1000mm. Please can you confirm if you used a longer track.
The Rutlands track was available in 1200mm lengths when I bought it, but they now only supply 1000mm lengths. Woodworkersworkshop so the same profile track in 1219mm lengths, so I’d buy from them tbh. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, that's very helpful - much appreciated - Steve
Love it Peter at 2mins 14seconds "there you go, budget MFT done" had to laugh. A bit too basic !!!. Really love the build,just the thing that a tracksaw newbie like me needs,thanks so much for doing this,BTW Keith Brown gave a shoutout to Small space creations recently,he has a real good thing on doing benchdogs on the cheap.Thanks once again,come payday,this is on the list,Take care
Does anyone know of any companies in Scotland offering cheap MFT tops? Cncdesign delivery makes it not very econmical for my postcode. Cheers
Evening Peter - looking to do this one very soon. What is the hand saw you are using - do you have a link to it (affiliate so I can buy)
It’s a folding Japanese pocket saw from Axminster; it’s particularly handy as you can get different blades for it eg a keyhole blade or one for cutting foam insulation. No affiliate link I’m afraid as the ones Axminster produce are stupidly long! HTH P www.axminstertools.com/japanese-folding-pocket-saw-502238
I understand using 18mm ply would be stronger to build the MFT table but would 18mm MR MDF be strong enough to use for the table and legs (legs I would double the thickness)?
Yes, depending one how you plan on using it. The supporting leg on my torsion box router bench is a simple L shape of single-layer MDF. No issues at all with it. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter for the quick reply. I’m just a diy’er so it’ll get occasional use. Mainly just to build some built in wardrobes and dining room benches and the odd thing for around the house
What about full ghetto spec Peter. Maybe an old ikea table top and wardrobe recycle? Is pallet wood out of the question? An MFT for under a tenner maybe? That’s just me thinking out loud with my fingers mind 🤘🏻
Trouble with that is that you need the holey top, which aren't cheap, and the cheapest jigs cost more than the top. 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop cheers Peter thanks for the reply. I’ve been watching since the start and I’m sure I remember a while back you making a simple jig for drilling repeating mft spaced holes. I could have dreamt it mind 🤦🏻♂️
Great Video. Can Peter or anyone tell me what is the second groove for in the front face. It is obviously T Track size, but the T track is not fitted, so a little puzzled. Current use a workmate with a lift off 3/4" top, but this is way better
Just a second clamping opportunity so that you can eg keep a rail hinge in place while clamping a workpiece to the apron. 👍
Sorted, After spending the night watching umpteen videos of his, the second track appears. Puzzle solved.
I'd LOVE to be able to find THAT MFT table top in the US for under $100.
What is the black mdf called at the beginning of the video and where can I get it in UK?
Many thanks as always Peter !
Great stuff here 😉
This is Finsa Fibracolour, but the other big brand of coloured all-through MDF is Valchromat. Fibracolour costs a bit less, but is also softer. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop great! Thank you. I have found it online Looks to be around £79 for a full sheet. Does that sound right to you?
You do your shopping at the same place I do...the local dust bin. At today's prices there is NO shame in that at all. Plus, it's being kept out of the landfill.
Good morning from Boerne, Texas. Always look forward to your common sense projects. BTW, my wife is from Norwich, she likes to hear the accent!
Thank you, and best wishes from London! 👍
Good morning from Taylor Texas Joseph!
Would you mind explaining what the track on the front of the top is used for and how it is used?
Any kind of clamping where you want to have the workpiece held vertically, or perpendicular to the benchtop. Have a look at my 3 drawers video - it’s how I cut the rebates fri the drawer fascias. 👍
3 Drawers, no tape, no ruler [video 508] - ua-cam.com/video/ObR9kbXu8PQ/v-deo.html
Please avoid acronyms. Thank you.
What acronyms??
Hi, by merging the MacAllister tracks together have you noticed a convex effect around the merging point?
No, can’t say I have.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for answering!
gret project, unfortunately i cannot buy mft tops where i live........
Thanks! Sorry to hear that; maybe you’ll be interested in the MFT jigs video I have planned. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop oh yes......
Great idea about the Basic Builds series Peter. Looking forwards to it.
Thanks! 👍
The online MFT top company are going to have a shock come Monday !
Also re cheap tracksaw - I have been looking for a while now - just no B & Q stock and no so cheap anymore.
Truly my favorite channel for woodworking. Appreciate the ideas and advice you give!
Yet another very clever design. I nearly fell off my chair, when you made the bench dogs using the conduit. It's so simple and does the job.
Thank you! 👍
ua-cam.com/video/7_1I4zv_V2Q/v-deo.html Pop up conduit bench dogs from Small Space Creation channel.
Probably a silly question but why is there a second groove under the one used for the t-slot?
For a second t-slot! 🤷♂️
Looking forward to more videos in the series Peter!
I like the idea of adding a new tool to each build to increase capabilities and workflow. Shelves, cabinets and small storage projects like drawers and organizers are great "basic" projects. A step-stool should be one of the next projects; it functions as a tool as well as a project. 🙂
Keep it up! Even as an experienced woodworker (18 years), I'll enjoy the series.
Thank you! Yes, I have a set of steps planned, too! 👍
Excited about the series. A big thanks for this helpful/informative and well-presented content.
Maybe, some people complain about video quality outdoors, but it is better quality than required for learning something that is a huge help. Very well presented and easy to follow.
Thanks very much for South Africa.
What are those cretes? They look pretty sturdy for folding ones.
They’re called ‘clever box’ and are very good but don’t seem to be made any more. If you search for ‘folding euro stacking containers’ you find something similar. 👍