Hi Peter, thanks for your honest review on the zeta after you had it a bit. Some years ago there was a huge wave here on youtube about the zeta which made it tempting of course. Today I actually never see it used again by the initial reviewers in their projects which to me looks more like it had been a lamello-birthday-marketing run to promote it. I also use a zeta but I more rely on the clamex and find the newer clamex flexus a very nice addition apart from the divario ( i never used). That said, I am not a professional user but it really helped me a few times to fix wobbly furniture with fixed shelf levels or so to stiffen it up a bit. For knock down furniture it is nice, but from a more allround approach I'd opt for a domino as it is more versatile in most cases due to the size of the connectors. I also more use the tenso as a prefixture so that it is less cumbersome to set clamps which is also nice, but of course not what marketing tells you ;-)
Now that’s a video I would like to see Peter. How to improve a table Saw. I have the triton work station with table saw module but I’d love to see what you could do with your saw. I at one stage had the Aldi saw with Jon heise fence plans and was impressed but it gave up here’s the triton. Please let’s see what you can do with your
The Lamello when you 1st got it I was surprised you indulged (great looking machine to have on the shelf behind you, but £1500 ornament!) I get why you wanted it with the holes you have with the Festool system, I do hope someone can tweak it to work for you. You put me off the Graco for the money, bought a Wagner airless 250m Pro glad I did, leave it there I think as you must be sore
I was part of a group purchase with the Lamello, so I wasnt out of pocket that much, and I do like the clamex; but the tenso was a disappointment, no question. But like the saws and the routers, they're handy to have around if I ever need to make a comparison between things. That's what I tell myself, anyway. 😂 👍
I'm surprised the Evolution track saw wasn't amongst the five 😊 I think I've seen one lurking on the saw shelf. I've got one. It's just about adequate, but the lack of plunge and the appalling dust extraction makes it at the top of my list for replacement when I can justify it (to my wife) 🤣
When the Graco handhelds first came out I was against them and didn't feel I seen their practically as I have other pumps and can just set up with a short hose for material savings. Then the Graco fine finish released and I bought into it for around 8. After a year the pump failed. Then I redid the pump and got about another 7 months on the rebuild. All these years later it is essentially garbage in my garage as this predated the DeWalt batteries. 4 batteries for it and they all don't hold a charge for crap. I'm not to bitter about it though as I made enough money off it when it worked that it carried itself into the black. I never replaced it with another one though even though they are slightly better now with DeWalt batteries and the tips.
I think CNC's are useful if, for example, you wanted to prototype your loose tenon jig before emailing the files to a production house to run them off. I also think they're useful for template generation, or repeating parts that need accuracy. It's also going to depend a lot on how rigid the machine is, the more rigid the faster it can be and to be frank, the workbee isn't at the top of the tree, even in it's own price bracket. Fully understand if it doesn't float your boat though.
Hi Andy. What alternatives to the Workbee would you recommend ? I've just started looking at CNC and thought the Workbee might be a good budget-price option, but I'd love to know what other machines I need to consider. Thanks, Chris.
@@chrismaughan8029 I'd have a look at the new FoxAlien Vasto ( James Dean (no not that Jame Dean) has a setup video of it: ua-cam.com/video/FFAyhjZqKLA/v-deo.html will have a detailed video of it sometime soon I suspect - Worth watching a few of his videos) or I'd take a good look at the Onefinity (Journeyman or Woodworker - smaller ones are available ) which can run at pretty impressive speed. Even these suggestions aren't going to be as rigid as something like an Axiom. Depending on what you're making you might find the Origin Shaper suits. Anything that's not a v-wheel/lead screw will be a better choice. It's always going to be a trade off between price and speed too. Peter alluded to it in his video. If it's quicker to do it the "old fashioned" way then why bother. If it can knock out 10 widgets/panels/forms in the time it takes you make and drink a cuppa, that's got to be useful. There's the added bonus that for all these others, you're not spending hours and hours putting them together like you are with a workbee. Onefinity is about 1 hour max (comes in 3 preassembled parts). If you watch that James Dean video you'll se how long for the Vasto. Wrokbee will take a lot longer.
Thanks for the shout out mate! By the way, I am still terrorizing my self with that noisy thing. I was quite suprised about both the Lamello and CNC. About the CNC though, don't you think the learning experience sometimes is the real purchse? Granted, I don't know how much you spent on it :D But if you feel like working more with Fusion or Sketcup you have the option now. You can make the prototypes yourself and then send it off for production. Who knows what the future brings? I have hardly used my lathe, but I just need to prioritise using it. LOL. However, a poor purchse I made recently was the Bosch GET 75-150 sander. It is a lovely sander, but it doesn't work well one handed. Anyway. My 2 cents. Thanks for another great video. And I wont get the Greco :D
Thanks Goran! Don't suppose you want another 'Fan in a Can' do you? 😂 As for making prototypes on the CNC then sending the file off to have it made, I'd much rather trust the file that the guy who does it for a living produces! The whole thing is a little bit like mathmatics for me - I'm only really interested in the end result/answer, not so much in the process you go through to get there. 👍
Great video! I have a shop full of tools I don't use. The question I now ask myself is " Do I love this tool or do I just love the idea of using this tool."
Think of it as community service - you buy them so we don't have to. I don't really have any expensive regret tools, just random piles of small ones that seemed like a good idea but I don't end up using them. Worse are the small really useful tools that I have lent or misplaced, and can't find anywhere to replace. The most expensive in that vein is my habit of buying TIG welders, using them for a few years, then selling them because I'm moving and haven't used them for a while. I'm about to buy my third... Oh, and my 285mm circular saw (10"?). Which I included in the project cost when I built a shed out of 75mm coolstore panels, but it's proved impossible to resell. Even the guy who offered $50 failed to turn up and actually buy it.
One of your best videos, Peter. Sharing mistakes is a great way to help others learn. It's less about the product and more about what led you to make the decisions. The last example with the eBay purchase and money burning a hole in your pocket is probably something we can all relate to. So too, the example of buying a product that is perfectly good in its own right, such as the CNC machine, and yet establishing that it isn't a big enough part of your common workflow to warrant the outlay, time spent setting up and space it takes up. Great video. Humility like this is always great to see on a channel like yours. Thank you! 👍
I had wondered what happened to the CNC, was looking forward to another series, as I am seriously contemplating one for small one-off projects like signs etc. Good to know we are not alone in mistaken purchases! My worst was also a table saw, which I gave away and replaced.
Great insight into regretful purchases I’m sure we’ve all made! Most of my worst buys have been via auction sites where I have saved maybe up to 50% off retail but then failed to account for a 2 hour round trip to collect the item, and that they normally don’t perform how they should, hence the seller selling them! I now only (mostly) buy new, and use sites like yours to give me guidance on the pros and cons of kit I’m interested in. Thanks for the informative videos, I’ve learnt a lot from you.
Many moons ago I bought a triton router and a UKJ router table for it for a specific project. Promptly life threw me a curve ball and so they sat unused for a number of years whilst we moved and children grew. I eventually managed to use the router to build a nice gaming table topper in the initial lockdown. I decided to finally fit the router to the table and discovered the rather expensive plate it came with had a bow to it, around 0.5mm in the middle along the long side. It turned out there was a bad batch/known issue with these plates around when I got it and I just never noticed, had I they would have exchanged it for me. The vendor assures me this will be "fine" but I can't get past knowing its bent, and they no longer sell the 6mm plates only a 10mm which to me is rather telling. I am sure I'll just get on with it one day but somewhat spendy shed ornament how every you cut it. Runner up is a "bargain" evolution mitre saw that I saw on sale in B&Q and had to have. It can't even cut a 2x6 so the first proper job it would have been useful for I ended up with a speed square and a battery circular saw!
My worst buy is not a bad tool but it has sat around in my garage since new after being used once in three years of ownership. It is a Festool Domino, and it was used to install 6 dominoes in its first week and has stayed in the box ever since. I only bought it because I binge-watched an almost endless stream of videos on UA-cam where this guy called Peter made fantastic bits of furniture and cabinets and other stuff with one, and so I persuaded myself that my life was incomplete without one of my own...
I'll happily take it off your hands... really fancy one but could never justify the price. Though maybe that's me falling into your same trap, having watched endless youtube videos of people using them.
@@PSD9763 Thanks for the offer, Paul. But, as Aye Captain suggests, I am going to hang onto it in the hope that one day the Domino and I hit it off and we start making beautiful furniture together!
In general I am in the same situation but I could resist so far. Now I regularly have this dream of my 89 year old me finally buys the festool domino to do his last woodworking project and than asks himself why he hasn't bought it at the age of 39.
I also purchased a Festool Domino based almost entirly from watching Peters videos - I got mine second hand after Peter made the very valid point that second hand prices of Dominos means I could buy one, use it for a year or so and then sell it for the same price I paid for it. That was the plan, however now, 2 plus years later you would need to prize it out of my cold dead hand before I ever sold it. I have made loads of cabinets and draws for my workshop and more recently for my home using 18mm sheet material and the Domino makes life so easy and acurate. I have only ever used the one cutter in it and so far only ever used 5 x 30 Dominos but I've used 100's of them over the past 2 years.
The only one I didn't guess was the table saw (maybe I missed those videos). I'm especially not surprised about the Lamello and the Greco. I was looking for a a spray system about the same time as you and went Fuji in the end because I was concerned about the lifetime of the pump in the Greco. The Lamello is a good looking idea but at the price it would have to be absolutely perfect in every way and it wasn't clear it was. I think you summed up the issue with CNC perfectly and the same arguments hold for 3D printers. I certainly wouldn't invest any time in that table saw, the design is fundamentally wrong and there's nothing you can do about that. Just list it honestly with the limitations it has and let the buyer decide if it's worth it.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Just because it doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean that another person won't find use in it... They may want something relatively lightweight with a sliding table and the direct drive motor doesn't effect them in terms of precision/noise/accuracy etc...
@@jigsey. oh yea.. totally get and understand that... Just meant that when he talked about not feeling like it was something he'd feel comfortable selling on to someone else, it might be a saw that suited someone else's needs
Agree completely except with the 3D printer part. It has been way more useful in the shop than I ever imagined it would be. Up there with my Domino. I've found so many unexpected use cases for it - vacuum hose adapters for all the tools that don't directly fit the Festool vac, dust extractor parts, flanges, all sorts of special hooks and brackets to hang tools on the wall, replacement parts for my tools (such as broken triggers and even bits of housing, gears, sprockets, motor flange adapter plates) fixtures and fittings for lights, all sorts of workholding adapters for MFT holes, shallow depth hinge spacers. And I'm relatively new to Fusion. There are people out there that have more skill and print router tables for palm routers and, complex dovetail of fingerjoint jigs, not counting all the 3D printed marking and spacing cotraptions Peter himself uses. By now I can't imagine not having a 3D printer for sop projects. I do however agree with the CNC router part - it is a way more limited tool than a 3D printer, loud as hell, slow and makes so much dust even with a dust extractor. Even if You're good with CAD software, the price, space it takes up and how rarely it's needed - makes more sense to send the drawings to a shop that has a large and more robust and precise CNC machine and have them route the parts.
My worst purchase was the biscuit joiner. I've had it for years and never used it! Total waste of time and money! Why not do some kind of quiz/raffle/give-away on the saw? I'm sure there are plenty of budding woodworkers out there that can't afford a table saw would love that, I know when I was starting out I would of had it!
I'm wondering if the table saw is still surplus to your workflow, maybe you could consider donating it to the Men in Sheds charity workshops. I'm sure that might be a least painful and rewarding way out! Just a thought. 🤔👍😀
You in the UK can't relate, but being young with a Sears credit card I bought five Sears Craftsman portable power tools. Every one except for the shop vac was a mistake.Any way, I learned what a good tool was. I bought a pressure washer at an auction. By the time I finished fixing it,it only cost me $50 more than if I bought a new one.chuckle.
Wow there are some expensive tools on that list. Glad I am not the only one living with bad purchases. My worst one was a scroll saw, was not expensive but still hardly ever use it and just occupies space.
Absolutely loving reading through all these comments!! Very apparent how everyone is different. I wouldn't be without my table saw, but it is a huge 3 metre sliding bed jobby that I got for a steal. My domino joiner however has just sat in the box so far after buying one based on watching too many youtubers! I got the Graco Ultra too based on the "playing at spraying" series and am personally pleased with it so far.
Another great video Peter. Very entertaining and educational. Enthusiasm does get the better of us sometimes. I was dead keen to get a table saw (after watching all the chaps in the US cutting everything on one). I'm sure someone has used one to cut their birthday cake. But after watching your videos, I am happy with my track saw and I think my fingers are happy with my choice. I really like your considered humour ... this time 'more table than saw'.
hey Peter! Give the Fuji Q5 HVLP Turbine a look over, I'm a Cabinet Maker out of canada and I've been very happy with the results of the finish and quality of the unit. I would say the graco handheld units are more of a hobbyist tool hence the attractive price point, where the Q5 is more of a serious bit of kit. when used with 3m's pps2 system it's honestly rock solid and painless to use. Be a bit more open to spray finishing and don't let poor quality tool sour your taste to the possibilities spraying offers!
I bought the Graco Ultra after seeing your videos, didn’t need the Ultramax as I only use water based paint. I used various paints, Dulux, Tikkurila, Benjamin Moore and it was ok, then the pump went and I got it replaced under warranty. The pump went again after about a year so I bought a new pump and replaced it myself which took about 30 seconds and I started using Sayerlack paint and nothing else. What a difference using that paint has made! Great, flawless finish, it’s almost if my Graco loves it. Yeah the pump will go again and it’ll cost me £170 for a new one but it pays for itself. I treat my Graco pretty badly now, I leave it with paint sitting in it for days on end and clean it out when I feel like it but it doesn’t seem to affect its performance. It seems all the cleaning, flushing it through with water, wrapping it in cotton wool after every use wasn’t good for it. Treat it mean, keep it keen…
Interesting, thanks! Never used sayerlack, but Alastair Johnson does at over at freebird and he rates it highly. Good to know it makes the Graco happy too! 👍👍
I looked at the “fan in a can” too…. Really glad I went for the box style after hearing that. It seemed ideal on paper, but always good to have a real world test to show what something is like!
I can't say I disagree with you over the lamello, we had both that and the domino and I'm afraid it is not even a contest as the domino is so more versatile especially with the type of fixings you can buy for it, and if you ever needed a replacement blade for the lamello you are looking at well over £100. Graco least said about that the better. Ah the 'table saw' my pet hate, the tool no American can do without. I just hate the sleds they make and do not get me started on health and safety with them. I still say of all the power tools I have ever bought other than a drill the best tool is by far the TS55, thats a tool I would never want to be without. I have had the record air scrubber for around 4 years or so and it has never let me down.
Wow! I had never really expected the Lamello to misperform like that. You must have been really pi$$ed off. Makes me feel not so bad about not being able to afford one now 😂
My worst buy was the Mirka Deros. I find it annoying that you have to hold the switch while sanding and it has a clumsy connection for the vacuum cleaner. One month after the warranty expired the machine died. Everything inside was destroyed by a problem in the control electronics. The repair cost was almost equal to a new one. I was told that I was not the only one with this problem. Nevertheless, no compensation was possible. Losing €450 for a machine for your hobby does hurt. Since then I have been working with a Festool ETS EC. No more Mirka for me.
Hi AJR, I think you've been pretty unlucky with the Mirka, sounds really bad on their part. As a furniture restorer, I use mine every single day, sometimes for hours, and I have never had a problem, in three years. In fact, two of my colleagues, in separate businesses, have bought them too after seeing how mine was, and they swear by them too. The only slight bugbear is the cost of the Abranet discs, but there are cheaper alternatives, not as good. I fairness I have also used a friend's Festool, and it was first class. Anyway, you found a better machine for you.
I am feeling you get too emotional about that table saw; can it really be so bad that you can't sell it? It doesn't explode, does it? If people buy a saw for a reasonably low price they should be aware and check it. What do they find on the internet about it, only 1star reviews?
Ummmm.................. If you smash up the table saw and burn the remains on camera, the You Tube revenue will probably cover the cost of your purchasing mistake :)
And the cost of disposal of the remains as well, quite likely. £220 / tonne here in sunny Ealing (next door to Hammersmith & Fulham where Peter hails from),
really interesting video Peter! one of my worst purchases was the old festool combination bevel for the rails. Whatever I did with it I couldn't get it accurate enough at any angle. Ended up buying a rail square from FC Tools in Scotland and that was a game changer! I believe festool have recently made a new angle stop, so clearly they didn't think the old one was much good either!
I also bought one of these on the strength of being a Festool. Could never understand how such a poor design could get past the product planners and testers at the company.
Hi Peter just like to add i know how you feel when you talk about the PayPal money not being real & the overwhelming auction when you seem to think you found a great price on a item & to wait for the item to arrive & after all the setup to find you purchased a dull item & especially when you have spent so much & due to size will cost you the same amount sending back will leave you being much aware next time. So my point is we all be there mate so don't put yourself down buddy look at it as more of an experience in buying rubbish tools...
1:20 in and 🤔 Lamento ? 2:30 BooHooznest ? 4:40 play spray yeup got one ‘Ardely use it. 6:50 that sounds a lot like a vacuum cleaner yet got a Record Power one 🤔 ‘bout time l put it 🤣🤣🤣 8:50 Swiss Army table saw (all direct drives are a bit naff) rebuild to a new one did that for a cheap Aldi (Scheppach) with trunnions, but mostly use a 12” Axminster cast iron cabinet saw👍👍👍 Could have been worse Peter, glad l nearly never considered the Lamento 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you, Peter. It's always reassuring to realise that many of us have access to more money than sense. I think we get afflicted with a mad kind of heat that forces us to empty our wallets and buy these really unsuitable devices !!
I'm a big CNC guy. Built a handful of them for a small business I used to run. Happy to do drawings before projects. That said, they aren't for everyone and I no longer have one in my shop. They are good for multiples, complex surfaces, tight tolerances, or planing slabs. The Shaper Origin really interests me, and might interest you, because you can have a portable router with infinite complex templates built into it for pocketing hardware, dowel holes, bowties, etc etc.
@@10MinuteWorkshop You're damned right there, I've been a fan of the Origin since it's inception many years ago - an eye-watering 3 grand now - just not worth it ! And my worst tool, a Clarke biscuit jointer - used for three biscuits and couldn't even punt it on Gumtree, I'll add it to your pyre with the tablesaw LOL 😁😁😁
I've got a shaper origin and it does things nothing else can in my workshop, but not regularly enough to warrant the cost for me so I'll be selling it soon!
3 for me; I have the Domino 500, and just love it. On a whim I bought the 700XL, ‘because I wanted it’ along with a load of accessories. 9 months later, having literally not used it even once.. I sold it to a very happy guy making gates, and lost about £300 or so in the process. (You’ll have to pry the 500 from my cold dead hands.) The other was at a similar point (I had some ££) I decided like you to look at spraying - bought a top flight Graco HVLP pro comp with pressure pot, and also the Graco Gx21 airless with hopper and extensions.. HVLP went straight into use, and is just superb, awesome results, easy to clean and being the big powerful one is surprisingly quick at larger areas without mess, as well as the smaller stuff. The Airless though, is about to be advertised for sale, literally unused, was a mad purchase, ideal for a decorator in empty homes but not for me. Lastly, the Mafell tracksaw that blew my mind, wonderful machine, love it to bits - decided to buy a cordless variant, just as a fabulous deal came up on the new cordless Festool so bought that - the Mafell hasn’t been used once since, despite being kept for indoor use I still reach for the festool every time. Also going to be up for sale!
I lovemy Graco cordless. Its a little heavy on the wrist fully loaded but it works like a champ on trim and doors. I would NEVER use it for a full room thats just crazy talk. I do clean it and keep pump armor in it when not in use. Graco really should have included a cap to plug the port I had to 3d print one so the pump armor would not leak out
My worst buy was an evolution fury table saw. As you raise and lower the blade, it goes in and out of square with the fence by several degrees. For 200 quid I wasn't expecting too much quality, but I at least thought raising and lowering the blade would be within its ability
@Nathan Lucas - interested in your comments upon Evolution Fury table saw. Built to a price, but it was indeed the price (£162 in 2016) that got me into a table saw frame of mind for my diy and hobbyist interests. Mine does not suffer the alignment issue you have experienced, although the fence precision and adjustment is only just adequate. For me, this table saw has been a great enabler and I have tackled many projects that I probably would not otherwise have been interested in doing (using my circular saw). Nonetheless, I would like a better one, but it has to be portable.
@@adrianlw2750 have you got any ideas how to stop the blade twisting side to side? If I could sort that it would be perfectly adequate for most stuff I do with it. Anything that I need super precision for, I've got a cast iron bodied saw now too
@@nathanlucas6465 I have had a look at mine, and delved underneath, following your request…. It is all a pretty solidly constructed/engineered machine, and when everything is tightened as it should be, there is no free-play in my blade in any direction (slight normal blade flexing apart). You may have done various checks already (apologies if you have!) but for good measure… With machine unplugged from mains, can I suggest four elements: 1. The green tilt-locking knob (fig.26 on page 20 of my manual) must be fully tightened. Check it hasn’t worked loose. Whilst “0” should be blade vertical, actual vertical should be checked after other checks below have been done. 2. Remove blade guard, remove the green table access plate (one screw), raise blade to highest setting, and check tightness/locking of the blade on its shaft. It should be rock-solid. Replace removed parts. 3. There are four Allen bolts, two at each end of the access plate, on the table top. Make sure these are fully secure/tightened with suitable Allen key. These secure the top pivoting point of the whole motor/blade mechanism. Again, should be rock-solid. 4. There are four further Allen bolts on table top, nearer the edges. Check for tightness, as if these are loose, the motor mechanism could unintentionally move and throw out blade alignment. I hope this helps - and apologies again if you’ve already carried out these checks. I cannot see anything else that could be giving you the problem you have.
Hey, it's not your responsibility to make sure the buyer buys the right thing for him. All you can do is list the saw with honesty and good photos, and let people make their own purchasing decisions, at the end of the day someone might need the saw for some other particular feature you haven't even thought of...
I'd just sell it on fuck that Somone sold it to you. Get some of your money back buy a delwalt table saw fence is great on that I bought a shitty cheap table saw and ended up selling it
As a long-time viewer, I KNEW the table saw would top your list😄. My experience with the Graco sprayer has been similar to yours. It's totally unreliable, which, in my opinion, is the cardinal sin for a tool (or employee). Thanks for all you do!
Before I buy any machine I ask my self do I really need it, is it going to make me extra money. What extra Benitits does this machine bring me. I walk away think about it for at least 24 hours then return to the seller requesting there best deal on the machine. Works every time for my self a cabinet maker over 44 years.
We all buy something that in the end turns out to be a bit of rubbish. I read the reviews on tools and this can help but it is not foolproof. I bought a biscuit joiner that cuts slots at an angle that turns out to be the opposite angle for the joining piece. It is completely useless. I can't in good conscience sell it to anyone, so it has turned out to be a live and learn. I think about welding it up and squaring it up but it is really not worth the trouble.
Thank you for your honest opinion, Peter. I was almost jumping for Zeta last Xmas… but can’t justify the cost as a DIYer. Meanwhile, I am hesitating on selling either my Ridgid table saw with cast iron wings /belt-driven motor or my almost new Bosch reaxx(got it on sale two years ago, never put it on use, I know I know), I might got an idea now :)
You could still sell the table saw to a carpenter who's looking for a basic jobsite saw without loosing sleep over it. The buyer will be well informed in all honesty, and can make his own educated decision.
Good to see that bad buys are not limited to hobbyist woodworkers only! In the comments it becomes obvious that UA-cam vids play a big part in decision making and it doesn’t always turn out to be the best decisions.
Though it was bought a long time ago, mine is a Leigh dovetail jig. I bought the biggest, baddest, and most expensive model they had at the time. I could do full, variable spaced through dovetails in a 24” panel and so much more 😉. Had so many plans to make beautiful blanket chests and other solid hardwood furniture. In the end, it was very complex to set up and dial in, I had to purchase a secondary book to guide me, and all I got out of it was a dozen or so kitchen drawers with half-blind dovetails. I’ve been carrying it around from shop to shop for the last 30 years. I still will consider Leigh jigs, but only their simplest ones. Otherwise if I really need dovetails, I cut them by hand………. But there is the Shaper Origin, maybe …………
I have deliberately avoided buying a dovetail jig because I know that I would not use it frequently enough to remember how it works and would be back at square one each time reading the instructions. So all my drawers are made with dominos even though dovetails would be so much nicer.
Happy New Year Peter to yourself and all the family!!!! Hope 2022 brings you health, happiness and you manage to stay safe throughout the year!!!! Cheers from Sydney Aus!!!!
Happy New Year! Now that you have shared this terribly sad video with us, please tell me you are getting rid of them and reclaim some space in your workshop?
Makita MLT100 table saw, awful, the fence doesn’t run the length of the table and flex’s at the end. The table insert is thin and flex’s, mitre guide is useless, the slots on the table top are none standard and difficult to get parts to fit. Dust collection is woeful with much of the sawdust falling onto the floor. It’s incredibly heavy, I have the wheels and it’s still awkward to move around. I’ve made a new fence, tried to make a zero clearance insert and failed, and looked to improve the sliding section again without success. I shouldn’t have to attempt to improve the thing, it’s being on sale for years and they know the issues but have done nothing to make it a much better workshop tool.
@@WalterNoest I don’t do enough table saw work to justify another £400+ spend. I’m afraid I just have to put up with it, and curse it every time I do have to drag it out!
Wow surprised you regret buying the Zeta P2. I know it’s because of the Tenso but I almost bought one because of the demo you showed comparing the Domino, Doweller, & Zeta P2.
The only piece of kit I regret buying is my Evolution mitre saw. It is rubbish. Big and powerful but inaccurate and the dust collection is not existent. Okay for basic carpentry but anyting finer and you can forget it. It was my first wood working tool so I learnt a valuable lesson and have bought more wisely after that.
We have the saw and generally enjoy using it but it's only really useful for rough cuts on chunky wood. We have done some cuts on mdf and metal but we struggle to get clean cuts with it. It also takes up a lot of space.
Really great vid. Have been a subscriber since the beginning. Surprised by some of them but as usual you explain thoroughly which leaves no doubt as to why. Anybody that watches you could never seriously doubt you did not go through all possible solutions to get your Ferrari biscuit cutter connectors working correctly, way when the rest of us would have lost patience long ago.
Hello Peter - I was expecting you to mention the Triton thicknesser that briefly appeared on your bench, never to be seen again. I've often wondered what happened to it... I feel your pain about the tablesaw. I made the same mistake. When I was starting out I thought that a tablesaw would be essential. But my mistake wasn't as expensive as yours because my tablesaw came from Aldi. :-) Although, come to think of it, it did cost me a lot of money because you convinced me that I should replace it with a TS55...
Oh! God. We've all got a piece of s**t in our workshop that's too expensive to chuck away, and sits there mocking us! Mine is a micro-precision fence for making all sort of joints.
That’s the trouble right? Doctors get to bury their mistakes, architects plant Ivy; woodworkers just have our mistakes sitting there in the corner of the workshop, mocking us! 🤦♂️😂
Great video. Yes, PayPal money doesn't seem like real money, well, not until the end of the month. It is so easy to get caught up in the moment, and watching inspiring videos like yours does tend to make one feel, as you often have said, spendy. Like so many others, I'd love to play with the Domino, but I tend only to buy tools that I'd also use onsite. And TBH, I wouldn't dream of taking a tool like that onto a building site - I mean, hey, where would I use it - it would be in the back of someone's van before morning tea break!
Great video Pete.For me , if a purchase goes wrong it makes me think "why do i bother". Very disconcerting when they dont live up to expectation. Especially if its a job for someone { i hate impulse buys }
Great video, I don't think you should waste any time with that table saw, get rid & gain a bit more space. I can see your point about the CNC and the same could be applied to my 3D printer, sometimes its quicker to make a couple of parts in less time than it takes to design it and print it, but for other bits I need it's great to set it off batch printing while I get on with other stuff. Oh, and thanks for the LT Jig, very impressed 👍 👏.
Thanks! Yes, the LT jigs are a case in point; no way I could make those on my CNC in the kind of volume I need, and even prototyping them is a waste of time because the guy who does the work is just so much better at the software than I am. 👍
Oof when that cabinet fell apart I was swearing just watching it, I’m surprised you didn’t fully explode with rage! 😂 I love watching content when people turn something crap into something useable so it would be an interesting challenge with the saw.
I realise that sprayer is small and portable, but a modest compressor and decent spray gun is still quite easy to move around and will be very reliable.
Graco Ultra. My experience too, rubbish after the first 5 minutes. (First one replaced under warranty, second one patchy at best.) If I need to spray I use my Graco 390PC, it just works. The Ultra just sits on the shelf...
Hi Peter we’ve all done this purchased stuff that we thought we needed but we actually don’t, I try my best to have a need list and a want list, I leave this on my workbench for weeks and generally I find I don’t need half of what I thought but it is thank you to people like you that post videos on here that saves people like me a bunch of money thank you and happy New Year to you. PS I would sell the saw but just be honest and to whoever you sell it to me and tell them it’s not brilliant but someone out there would love it. Paul 👍
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That's a great confessional. Occasionally it's good to be the example for others to learn from our pain 🙂
Hi Peter, thanks for your honest review on the zeta after you had it a bit. Some years ago there was a huge wave here on youtube about the zeta which made it tempting of course. Today I actually never see it used again by the initial reviewers in their projects which to me looks more like it had been a lamello-birthday-marketing run to promote it.
I also use a zeta but I more rely on the clamex and find the newer clamex flexus a very nice addition apart from the divario ( i never used).
That said, I am not a professional user but it really helped me a few times to fix wobbly furniture with fixed shelf levels or so to stiffen it up a bit.
For knock down furniture it is nice, but from a more allround approach I'd opt for a domino as it is more versatile in most cases due to the size of the connectors.
I also more use the tenso as a prefixture so that it is less cumbersome to set clamps which is also nice, but of course not what marketing tells you ;-)
"I'm tempted to take it outside and set alight to it!" That's brilliant 😉😆
Well, it will be for a short period while the aluminium goes up! 😂 🔥
Now that’s a video I would like to see Peter. How to improve a table Saw. I have the triton work station with table saw module but I’d love to see what you could do with your saw. I at one stage had the Aldi saw with Jon heise fence plans and was impressed but it gave up here’s the triton. Please let’s see what you can do with your
The Lamello when you 1st got it I was surprised you indulged (great looking machine to have on the shelf behind you, but £1500 ornament!) I get why you wanted it with the holes you have with the Festool system, I do hope someone can tweak it to work for you. You put me off the Graco for the money, bought a Wagner airless 250m Pro glad I did, leave it there I think as you must be sore
I was part of a group purchase with the Lamello, so I wasnt out of pocket that much, and I do like the clamex; but the tenso was a disappointment, no question. But like the saws and the routers, they're handy to have around if I ever need to make a comparison between things. That's what I tell myself, anyway. 😂 👍
I'm surprised the Evolution track saw wasn't amongst the five 😊 I think I've seen one lurking on the saw shelf. I've got one. It's just about adequate, but the lack of plunge and the appalling dust extraction makes it at the top of my list for replacement when I can justify it (to my wife) 🤣
I’ve only included tools I bought; making a big deal about tools that were gifted would come across as pretty whiney and entitled, I think! 😂😂👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ah! Didn't realise that 😊 Did you do a review of it?
When the Graco handhelds first came out I was against them and didn't feel I seen their practically as I have other pumps and can just set up with a short hose for material savings.
Then the Graco fine finish released and I bought into it for around 8. After a year the pump failed. Then I redid the pump and got about another 7 months on the rebuild.
All these years later it is essentially garbage in my garage as this predated the DeWalt batteries. 4 batteries for it and they all don't hold a charge for crap. I'm not to bitter about it though as I made enough money off it when it worked that it carried itself into the black. I never replaced it with another one though even though they are slightly better now with DeWalt batteries and the tips.
I think CNC's are useful if, for example, you wanted to prototype your loose tenon jig before emailing the files to a production house to run them off. I also think they're useful for template generation, or repeating parts that need accuracy. It's also going to depend a lot on how rigid the machine is, the more rigid the faster it can be and to be frank, the workbee isn't at the top of the tree, even in it's own price bracket. Fully understand if it doesn't float your boat though.
Hi Andy. What alternatives to the Workbee would you recommend ? I've just started looking at CNC and thought the Workbee might be a good budget-price option, but I'd love to know what other machines I need to consider. Thanks, Chris.
@@chrismaughan8029 I'd have a look at the new FoxAlien Vasto ( James Dean (no not that Jame Dean) has a setup video of it: ua-cam.com/video/FFAyhjZqKLA/v-deo.html will have a detailed video of it sometime soon I suspect - Worth watching a few of his videos) or I'd take a good look at the Onefinity (Journeyman or Woodworker - smaller ones are available ) which can run at pretty impressive speed. Even these suggestions aren't going to be as rigid as something like an Axiom. Depending on what you're making you might find the Origin Shaper suits. Anything that's not a v-wheel/lead screw will be a better choice. It's always going to be a trade off between price and speed too. Peter alluded to it in his video. If it's quicker to do it the "old fashioned" way then why bother. If it can knock out 10 widgets/panels/forms in the time it takes you make and drink a cuppa, that's got to be useful. There's the added bonus that for all these others, you're not spending hours and hours putting them together like you are with a workbee. Onefinity is about 1 hour max (comes in 3 preassembled parts). If you watch that James Dean video you'll se how long for the Vasto. Wrokbee will take a lot longer.
My # 1 worst buy,,, INCRA JIG anything
Only 5? I think you didn't do too badly then, compared to... um... some other people I happen to know... 😉😇
😂 Only 5 I’m ‘fessing up to at this time… 😬👍
Thanks for the shout out mate! By the way, I am still terrorizing my self with that noisy thing.
I was quite suprised about both the Lamello and CNC. About the CNC though, don't you think the learning experience sometimes is the real purchse? Granted, I don't know how much you spent on it :D But if you feel like working more with Fusion or Sketcup you have the option now. You can make the prototypes yourself and then send it off for production. Who knows what the future brings?
I have hardly used my lathe, but I just need to prioritise using it. LOL. However, a poor purchse I made recently was the Bosch GET 75-150 sander. It is a lovely sander, but it doesn't work well one handed.
Anyway. My 2 cents. Thanks for another great video. And I wont get the Greco :D
Thanks Goran! Don't suppose you want another 'Fan in a Can' do you? 😂 As for making prototypes on the CNC then sending the file off to have it made, I'd much rather trust the file that the guy who does it for a living produces! The whole thing is a little bit like mathmatics for me - I'm only really interested in the end result/answer, not so much in the process you go through to get there. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hehe. My workshop in noisy enough without one more of those. I am going the same kind of unit you got. Eventually.
Peter, if the sprayer was not a great help, are you hand painting your work now?
I’m doing a lot less painted work these days, but yes, back to hand painting. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks
Bought the Lamello after watching your reviews.Now you tell us its no good WTF.
Watch it again. I say I don’t like the Tenso fittings, that they’ve been a disappointment, but that the Zeta is excellent and the Clamex outstanding.
What amazes me more is amount of tools and machine you managed to fit in your small workshop.
To that comment, I will add....the amount of work Peter does in his shop.
Great video! I have a shop full of tools I don't use. The question I now ask myself is " Do I love this tool or do I just love the idea of using this tool."
Think of it as community service - you buy them so we don't have to.
I don't really have any expensive regret tools, just random piles of small ones that seemed like a good idea but I don't end up using them. Worse are the small really useful tools that I have lent or misplaced, and can't find anywhere to replace. The most expensive in that vein is my habit of buying TIG welders, using them for a few years, then selling them because I'm moving and haven't used them for a while. I'm about to buy my third...
Oh, and my 285mm circular saw (10"?). Which I included in the project cost when I built a shed out of 75mm coolstore panels, but it's proved impossible to resell. Even the guy who offered $50 failed to turn up and actually buy it.
One of your best videos, Peter. Sharing mistakes is a great way to help others learn. It's less about the product and more about what led you to make the decisions. The last example with the eBay purchase and money burning a hole in your pocket is probably something we can all relate to. So too, the example of buying a product that is perfectly good in its own right, such as the CNC machine, and yet establishing that it isn't a big enough part of your common workflow to warrant the outlay, time spent setting up and space it takes up.
Great video. Humility like this is always great to see on a channel like yours. Thank you! 👍
Thank you! 🙌 Confession's good for the soul; now I feel cleansed enough to go out and buy that Shaper Origin I've had my eye on... 👍 😂
I had wondered what happened to the CNC, was looking forward to another series, as I am seriously contemplating one for small one-off projects like signs etc. Good to know we are not alone in mistaken purchases! My worst was also a table saw, which I gave away and replaced.
Great insight into regretful purchases I’m sure we’ve all made! Most of my worst buys have been via auction sites where I have saved maybe up to 50% off retail but then failed to account for a 2 hour round trip to collect the item, and that they normally don’t perform how they should, hence the seller selling them! I now only (mostly) buy new, and use sites like yours to give me guidance on the pros and cons of kit I’m interested in. Thanks for the informative videos, I’ve learnt a lot from you.
Many moons ago I bought a triton router and a UKJ router table for it for a specific project. Promptly life threw me a curve ball and so they sat unused for a number of years whilst we moved and children grew. I eventually managed to use the router to build a nice gaming table topper in the initial lockdown. I decided to finally fit the router to the table and discovered the rather expensive plate it came with had a bow to it, around 0.5mm in the middle along the long side. It turned out there was a bad batch/known issue with these plates around when I got it and I just never noticed, had I they would have exchanged it for me. The vendor assures me this will be "fine" but I can't get past knowing its bent, and they no longer sell the 6mm plates only a 10mm which to me is rather telling. I am sure I'll just get on with it one day but somewhat spendy shed ornament how every you cut it.
Runner up is a "bargain" evolution mitre saw that I saw on sale in B&Q and had to have. It can't even cut a 2x6 so the first proper job it would have been useful for I ended up with a speed square and a battery circular saw!
My worst buy is not a bad tool but it has sat around in my garage since new after being used once in three years of ownership. It is a Festool Domino, and it was used to install 6 dominoes in its first week and has stayed in the box ever since. I only bought it because I binge-watched an almost endless stream of videos on UA-cam where this guy called Peter made fantastic bits of furniture and cabinets and other stuff with one, and so I persuaded myself that my life was incomplete without one of my own...
I'll happily take it off your hands... really fancy one but could never justify the price. Though maybe that's me falling into your same trap, having watched endless youtube videos of people using them.
I didn't use mine for the first several years either. Now I use it all the time. I just had to get comfortable with it. Don't sell it yet.
@@PSD9763 Thanks for the offer, Paul. But, as Aye Captain suggests, I am going to hang onto it in the hope that one day the Domino and I hit it off and we start making beautiful furniture together!
In general I am in the same situation but I could resist so far. Now I regularly have this dream of my 89 year old me finally buys the festool domino to do his last woodworking project and than asks himself why he hasn't bought it at the age of 39.
I also purchased a Festool Domino based almost entirly from watching Peters videos - I got mine second hand after Peter made the very valid point that second hand prices of Dominos means I could buy one, use it for a year or so and then sell it for the same price I paid for it. That was the plan, however now, 2 plus years later you would need to prize it out of my cold dead hand before I ever sold it. I have made loads of cabinets and draws for my workshop and more recently for my home using 18mm sheet material and the Domino makes life so easy and acurate. I have only ever used the one cutter in it and so far only ever used 5 x 30 Dominos but I've used 100's of them over the past 2 years.
The only one I didn't guess was the table saw (maybe I missed those videos). I'm especially not surprised about the Lamello and the Greco. I was looking for a a spray system about the same time as you and went Fuji in the end because I was concerned about the lifetime of the pump in the Greco. The Lamello is a good looking idea but at the price it would have to be absolutely perfect in every way and it wasn't clear it was. I think you summed up the issue with CNC perfectly and the same arguments hold for 3D printers. I certainly wouldn't invest any time in that table saw, the design is fundamentally wrong and there's nothing you can do about that. Just list it honestly with the limitations it has and let the buyer decide if it's worth it.
Thanks! Yeah, though I may just pull the motor out if the saw and dump the rest! 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Just because it doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean that another person won't find use in it... They may want something relatively lightweight with a sliding table and the direct drive motor doesn't effect them in terms of precision/noise/accuracy etc...
@@fred_fred Peter is only giving his thoughts on the products, he's says throughout the video...
@@jigsey. oh yea.. totally get and understand that... Just meant that when he talked about not feeling like it was something he'd feel comfortable selling on to someone else, it might be a saw that suited someone else's needs
Agree completely except with the 3D printer part. It has been way more useful in the shop than I ever imagined it would be. Up there with my Domino. I've found so many unexpected use cases for it - vacuum hose adapters for all the tools that don't directly fit the Festool vac, dust extractor parts, flanges, all sorts of special hooks and brackets to hang tools on the wall, replacement parts for my tools (such as broken triggers and even bits of housing, gears, sprockets, motor flange adapter plates) fixtures and fittings for lights, all sorts of workholding adapters for MFT holes, shallow depth hinge spacers. And I'm relatively new to Fusion. There are people out there that have more skill and print router tables for palm routers and, complex dovetail of fingerjoint jigs, not counting all the 3D printed marking and spacing cotraptions Peter himself uses. By now I can't imagine not having a 3D printer for sop projects.
I do however agree with the CNC router part - it is a way more limited tool than a 3D printer, loud as hell, slow and makes so much dust even with a dust extractor. Even if You're good with CAD software, the price, space it takes up and how rarely it's needed - makes more sense to send the drawings to a shop that has a large and more robust and precise CNC machine and have them route the parts.
My worst purchase was the biscuit joiner. I've had it for years and never used it! Total waste of time and money!
Why not do some kind of quiz/raffle/give-away on the saw? I'm sure there are plenty of budding woodworkers out there that can't afford a table saw would love that, I know when I was starting out I would of had it!
Same here, I couldn't get on with the biscuit jointer. Now using an ancient dowling jig which I find to be functional.
I'm wondering if the table saw is still surplus to your workflow, maybe you could consider donating it to the Men in Sheds charity workshops. I'm sure that might be a least painful and rewarding way out! Just a thought. 🤔👍😀
Long gone, and unfortunately Men’s Sheds don’t really have a presence in London. 🤷♂️👍
You in the UK can't relate, but being young with a Sears credit card I bought five Sears Craftsman portable power tools. Every one except for the shop vac was a mistake.Any way, I learned what a good tool was. I bought a pressure washer at an auction. By the time I finished fixing it,it only cost me $50 more than if I bought a new one.chuckle.
The cost of those five tools would probably pay for ALL my tools 10 times over! 😵
Wow there are some expensive tools on that list. Glad I am not the only one living with bad purchases. My worst one was a scroll saw, was not expensive but still hardly ever use it and just occupies space.
Mine too but it was given to me so I will probably give it to someone else so it can sit on their bench not being used. 😂😂
Absolutely loving reading through all these comments!! Very apparent how everyone is different. I wouldn't be without my table saw, but it is a huge 3 metre sliding bed jobby that I got for a steal. My domino joiner however has just sat in the box so far after buying one based on watching too many youtubers! I got the Graco Ultra too based on the "playing at spraying" series and am personally pleased with it so far.
Another great video Peter. Very entertaining and educational. Enthusiasm does get the better of us sometimes. I was dead keen to get a table saw (after watching all the chaps in the US cutting everything on one). I'm sure someone has used one to cut their birthday cake. But after watching your videos, I am happy with my track saw and I think my fingers are happy with my choice.
I really like your considered humour ... this time 'more table than saw'.
hey Peter! Give the Fuji Q5 HVLP Turbine a look over, I'm a Cabinet Maker out of canada and I've been very happy with the results of the finish and quality of the unit. I would say the graco handheld units are more of a hobbyist tool hence the attractive price point, where the Q5 is more of a serious bit of kit. when used with 3m's pps2 system it's honestly rock solid and painless to use. Be a bit more open to spray finishing and don't let poor quality tool sour your taste to the possibilities spraying offers!
I bought the Graco Ultra after seeing your videos, didn’t need the Ultramax as I only use water based paint. I used various paints, Dulux, Tikkurila, Benjamin Moore and it was ok, then the pump went and I got it replaced under warranty. The pump went again after about a year so I bought a new pump and replaced it myself which took about 30 seconds and I started using Sayerlack paint and nothing else. What a difference using that paint has made! Great, flawless finish, it’s almost if my Graco loves it. Yeah the pump will go again and it’ll cost me £170 for a new one but it pays for itself. I treat my Graco pretty badly now, I leave it with paint sitting in it for days on end and clean it out when I feel like it but it doesn’t seem to affect its performance. It seems all the cleaning, flushing it through with water, wrapping it in cotton wool after every use wasn’t good for it. Treat it mean, keep it keen…
Interesting, thanks! Never used sayerlack, but Alastair Johnson does at over at freebird and he rates it highly. Good to know it makes the Graco happy too! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yeah it was Alastair that recommended Sayerlack to me 👍🏻
I looked at the “fan in a can” too…. Really glad I went for the box style after hearing that. It seemed ideal on paper, but always good to have a real world test to show what something is like!
I can't say I disagree with you over the lamello, we had both that and the domino and I'm afraid it is not even a contest as the domino is so more versatile especially with the type of fixings you can buy for it, and if you ever needed a replacement blade for the lamello you are looking at well over £100. Graco least said about that the better. Ah the 'table saw' my pet hate, the tool no American can do without. I just hate the sleds they make and do not get me started on health and safety with them. I still say of all the power tools I have ever bought other than a drill the best tool is by far the TS55, thats a tool I would never want to be without. I have had the record air scrubber for around 4 years or so and it has never let me down.
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They use a table saw because there is so much they can do with it.
@@ian1352 But there are far more safer machines that do the job properly and efficiently. A circular saw is for ripping.
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reg. Graco: for small workshops like yours and for cabinetry I would go with something with less overspray. Maybe an HVLP or an XVLP by Wagner...
I have the graco ultra cordless. It's been fantastic.
Wow! I had never really expected the Lamello to misperform like that. You must have been really pi$$ed off. Makes me feel not so bad about not being able to afford one now 😂
Other people seem really happy with it, so I’m assuming it’s me; worth it for the Clamex though! 💪👍
My worst buy was the Mirka Deros. I find it annoying that you have to hold the switch while sanding and it has a clumsy connection for the vacuum cleaner. One month after the warranty expired the machine died. Everything inside was destroyed by a problem in the control electronics. The repair cost was almost equal to a new one. I was told that I was not the only one with this problem. Nevertheless, no compensation was possible. Losing €450 for a machine for your hobby does hurt. Since then I have been working with a Festool ETS EC. No more Mirka for me.
Hi AJR, I think you've been pretty unlucky with the Mirka, sounds really bad on their part. As a furniture restorer, I use mine every single day, sometimes for hours, and I have never had a problem, in three years. In fact, two of my colleagues, in separate businesses, have bought them too after seeing how mine was, and they swear by them too. The only slight bugbear is the cost of the Abranet discs, but there are cheaper alternatives, not as good. I fairness I have also used a friend's Festool, and it was first class. Anyway, you found a better machine for you.
I am feeling you get too emotional about that table saw; can it really be so bad that you can't sell it? It doesn't explode, does it? If people buy a saw for a reasonably low price they should be aware and check it. What do they find on the internet about it, only 1star reviews?
At least you didn’t buy a boat.
Ummmm.................. If you smash up the table saw and burn the remains on camera, the You Tube revenue will probably cover the cost of your purchasing mistake :)
And the cost of disposal of the remains as well, quite likely. £220 / tonne here in sunny Ealing (next door to Hammersmith & Fulham where Peter hails from),
really interesting video Peter! one of my worst purchases was the old festool combination bevel for the rails. Whatever I did with it I couldn't get it accurate enough at any angle. Ended up buying a rail square from FC Tools in Scotland and that was a game changer! I believe festool have recently made a new angle stop, so clearly they didn't think the old one was much good either!
I also bought one of these on the strength of being a Festool. Could never understand how such a poor design could get past the product planners and testers at the company.
Hi Peter just like to add i know how you feel when you talk about the PayPal money not being real & the overwhelming auction when you seem to think you found a great price on a item & to wait for the item to arrive & after all the setup to find you purchased a dull item & especially when you have spent so much & due to size will cost you the same amount sending back will leave you being much aware next time.
So my point is we all be there mate so don't put yourself down buddy look at it as more of an experience in buying rubbish tools...
1:20 in and 🤔 Lamento ?
2:30 BooHooznest ?
4:40 play spray yeup got one ‘Ardely use it.
6:50 that sounds a lot like a vacuum cleaner yet got a Record Power one 🤔 ‘bout time l put it 🤣🤣🤣
8:50 Swiss Army table saw (all direct drives are a bit naff) rebuild to a new one did that for a cheap Aldi (Scheppach) with trunnions, but mostly use a 12” Axminster cast iron cabinet saw👍👍👍
Could have been worse Peter, glad l nearly never considered the Lamento 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂 Thanks Clive! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop no worries, welcome🤣🎯
Thank you, Peter. It's always reassuring to realise that many of us have access to more money than sense. I think we get afflicted with a mad kind of heat that forces us to empty our wallets and buy these really unsuitable devices !!
I'm a big CNC guy. Built a handful of them for a small business I used to run. Happy to do drawings before projects. That said, they aren't for everyone and I no longer have one in my shop. They are good for multiples, complex surfaces, tight tolerances, or planing slabs.
The Shaper Origin really interests me, and might interest you, because you can have a portable router with infinite complex templates built into it for pocketing hardware, dowel holes, bowties, etc etc.
Yes! Very interested in the shaper origin; just wish it didn’t cost so much! 😬
I liked it too, till i saw the price, plus it is only 2D, which is pretty obvious I know. The Trend looks stunning, but the cost is ridiculous.
@@10MinuteWorkshop You're damned right there, I've been a fan of the Origin since it's inception many years ago - an eye-watering 3 grand now - just not worth it ! And my worst tool, a Clarke biscuit jointer - used for three biscuits and couldn't even punt it on Gumtree, I'll add it to your pyre with the tablesaw LOL 😁😁😁
I've got a shaper origin and it does things nothing else can in my workshop, but not regularly enough to warrant the cost for me so I'll be selling it soon!
@@neilscrivener5011 what sorts of things does it do well? in which areas did it disappoint?
3 for me; I have the Domino 500, and just love it. On a whim I bought the 700XL, ‘because I wanted it’ along with a load of accessories. 9 months later, having literally not used it even once.. I sold it to a very happy guy making gates, and lost about £300 or so in the process. (You’ll have to pry the 500 from my cold dead hands.) The other was at a similar point (I had some ££) I decided like you to look at spraying - bought a top flight Graco HVLP pro comp with pressure pot, and also the Graco Gx21 airless with hopper and extensions.. HVLP went straight into use, and is just superb, awesome results, easy to clean and being the big powerful one is surprisingly quick at larger areas without mess, as well as the smaller stuff. The Airless though, is about to be advertised for sale, literally unused, was a mad purchase, ideal for a decorator in empty homes but not for me. Lastly, the Mafell tracksaw that blew my mind, wonderful machine, love it to bits - decided to buy a cordless variant, just as a fabulous deal came up on the new cordless Festool so bought that - the Mafell hasn’t been used once since, despite being kept for indoor use I still reach for the festool every time. Also going to be up for sale!
I lovemy Graco cordless. Its a little heavy on the wrist fully loaded but it works like a champ on trim and doors. I would NEVER use it for a full room thats just crazy talk. I do clean it and keep pump armor in it when not in use. Graco really should have included a cap to plug the port I had to 3d print one so the pump armor would not leak out
I am a Technology, Engineering, and Design teacher. If you ever want to donate your CNC machine, please let me know. My students would love to use it.
everytime you talk about your table saw, you have this look of disgust on your face that I find very enjoyable.
My worst buy was an evolution fury table saw. As you raise and lower the blade, it goes in and out of square with the fence by several degrees. For 200 quid I wasn't expecting too much quality, but I at least thought raising and lowering the blade would be within its ability
@Nathan Lucas - interested in your comments upon Evolution Fury table saw. Built to a price, but it was indeed the price (£162 in 2016) that got me into a table saw frame of mind for my diy and hobbyist interests. Mine does not suffer the alignment issue you have experienced, although the fence precision and adjustment is only just adequate. For me, this table saw has been a great enabler and I have tackled many projects that I probably would not otherwise have been interested in doing (using my circular saw). Nonetheless, I would like a better one, but it has to be portable.
@@adrianlw2750 have you got any ideas how to stop the blade twisting side to side? If I could sort that it would be perfectly adequate for most stuff I do with it. Anything that I need super precision for, I've got a cast iron bodied saw now too
@@nathanlucas6465 I have had a look at mine, and delved underneath, following your request…. It is all a pretty solidly constructed/engineered machine, and when everything is tightened as it should be, there is no free-play in my blade in any direction (slight normal blade flexing apart). You may have done various checks already (apologies if you have!) but for good measure…
With machine unplugged from mains, can I suggest four elements:
1. The green tilt-locking knob (fig.26 on page 20 of my manual) must be fully tightened. Check it hasn’t worked loose. Whilst “0” should be blade vertical, actual vertical should be checked after other checks below have been done.
2. Remove blade guard, remove the green table access plate (one screw), raise blade to highest setting, and check tightness/locking of the blade on its shaft. It should be rock-solid. Replace removed parts.
3. There are four Allen bolts, two at each end of the access plate, on the table top. Make sure these are fully secure/tightened with suitable Allen key. These secure the top pivoting point of the whole motor/blade mechanism. Again, should be rock-solid.
4. There are four further Allen bolts on table top, nearer the edges. Check for tightness, as if these are loose, the motor mechanism could unintentionally move and throw out blade alignment.
I hope this helps - and apologies again if you’ve already carried out these checks. I cannot see anything else that could be giving you the problem you have.
Burn it Peter, would make a great vid. No good for the environment. You could give it to Colin Furze he'd destroy it.
Hey, it's not your responsibility to make sure the buyer buys the right thing for him. All you can do is list the saw with honesty and good photos, and let people make their own purchasing decisions, at the end of the day someone might need the saw for some other particular feature you haven't even thought of...
Ouch!, Those are some sorry laments. Maybe you could donate the table saw to someone who is forewarned. This video hurts.
I'd just sell it on fuck that Somone sold it to you. Get some of your money back buy a delwalt table saw fence is great on that I bought a shitty cheap table saw and ended up selling it
Hi Peter, let me know if you want to sell your CNC, I'm in the market for one . Thanks Rick
As a long-time viewer, I KNEW the table saw would top your list😄. My experience with the Graco sprayer has been similar to yours. It's totally unreliable, which, in my opinion, is the cardinal sin for a tool (or employee). Thanks for all you do!
Say 4 hail Mary's, 3 Stations of the cross and make 4 half-lap joints.
Before I buy any machine I ask my self do I really need it, is it going to make me extra money. What extra Benitits does this machine bring me. I walk away think about it for at least 24 hours then return to the seller requesting there best deal on the machine. Works every time for my self a cabinet maker over 44 years.
We all buy something that in the end turns out to be a bit of rubbish. I read the reviews on tools and this can help but it is not foolproof. I bought a biscuit joiner that cuts slots at an angle that turns out to be the opposite angle for the joining piece. It is completely useless. I can't in good conscience sell it to anyone, so it has turned out to be a live and learn. I think about welding it up and squaring it up but it is really not worth the trouble.
Offering painfully informed opinions to those less experienced can take a bit of the sting out
Stick them all on eBay Peter. Even the table saw, just say it’s not the greatest?
Thank you for your honest opinion, Peter. I was almost jumping for Zeta last Xmas… but can’t justify the cost as a DIYer. Meanwhile, I am hesitating on selling either my Ridgid table saw with cast iron wings /belt-driven motor or my almost new Bosch reaxx(got it on sale two years ago, never put it on use, I know I know), I might got an idea now :)
You could still sell the table saw to a carpenter who's looking for a basic jobsite saw without loosing sleep over it.
The buyer will be well informed in all honesty, and can make his own educated decision.
It’s in a fixed cabinet, no way you could take this to a job site. 👍
Good to see that bad buys are not limited to hobbyist woodworkers only! In the comments it becomes obvious that UA-cam vids play a big part in decision making and it doesn’t always turn out to be the best decisions.
Don't feel bad we all have some of those tools that don't work out.
12 inch blade and 3 inch cut, I feel your pain.
Though it was bought a long time ago, mine is a Leigh dovetail jig. I bought the biggest, baddest, and most expensive model they had at the time. I could do full, variable spaced through dovetails in a 24” panel and so much more 😉. Had so many plans to make beautiful blanket chests and other solid hardwood furniture. In the end, it was very complex to set up and dial in, I had to purchase a secondary book to guide me, and all I got out of it was a dozen or so kitchen drawers with half-blind dovetails. I’ve been carrying it around from shop to shop for the last 30 years. I still will consider Leigh jigs, but only their simplest ones. Otherwise if I really need dovetails, I cut them by hand………. But there is the Shaper Origin, maybe …………
Ooo - shaper origin! 😯🤔😆👍
Welcome to the club Todd. I can add to that the Leigh mortise & tenon jig, used only for a couple of stools :(
I have deliberately avoided buying a dovetail jig because I know that I would not use it frequently enough to remember how it works and would be back at square one each time reading the instructions. So all my drawers are made with dominos even though dovetails would be so much nicer.
@@pcb1962 For dovetails look at Rob Cosman's videos. He has some nice and expensive tools to do them by hand. But they are perfect!
Thanks so much for your blatant honesty. We all get caught up in excitement or the hype of something but most guys won’t admit it.
Loved this video, thank you for sharing🤘🙌😄
BUT ASIDE FROM THE SAW BLADE AND HEIGHT, FENCE AND THE TABLE IT SOUNDS GOOD.
That graco is renown for problems. Have a look at one of the "hopper" spray units, so much better!
You could sell that saw in good conscience to someone for cutting firewood.
Happy New Year Peter to yourself and all the family!!!! Hope 2022 brings you health, happiness and you manage to stay safe throughout the year!!!!
Cheers from Sydney Aus!!!!
Thank you! All best from London! 👍👍🍻
Happy New Year! Now that you have shared this terribly sad video with us, please tell me you are getting rid of them and reclaim some space in your workshop?
Thanks, and to you too! And yes, that’s the plan, just not sure when yet. 👍
My worst buy was the Festool Domino, ridiculously high price for what can be achieved by a myriad of other methods.
Different strokes for different folks. 👍
If you do decide to drag the saw outside and set fire to it, that would make a great video
Makita MLT100 table saw, awful, the fence doesn’t run the length of the table and flex’s at the end. The table insert is thin and flex’s, mitre guide is useless, the slots on the table top are none standard and difficult to get parts to fit. Dust collection is woeful with much of the sawdust falling onto the floor. It’s incredibly heavy, I have the wheels and it’s still awkward to move around. I’ve made a new fence, tried to make a zero clearance insert and failed, and looked to improve the sliding section again without success. I shouldn’t have to attempt to improve the thing, it’s being on sale for years and they know the issues but have done nothing to make it a much better workshop tool.
You beat me to the comment I wanted to place. Replaced mine with a metabo ts254. Terrible that one from makita
@@WalterNoest I don’t do enough table saw work to justify another £400+ spend. I’m afraid I just have to put up with it, and curse it every time I do have to drag it out!
Wow surprised you regret buying the Zeta P2. I know it’s because of the Tenso but I almost bought one because of the demo you showed comparing the Domino, Doweller, & Zeta P2.
Only because of the lack of use it’s had. Great machine, but a bit of a one-trick pony, and not a trick I needed, especially. 🤷♂️
The only piece of kit I regret buying is my Evolution mitre saw. It is rubbish. Big and powerful but inaccurate and the dust collection is not existent. Okay for basic carpentry but anyting finer and you can forget it. It was my first wood working tool so I learnt a valuable lesson and have bought more wisely after that.
We have the saw and generally enjoy using it but it's only really useful for rough cuts on chunky wood. We have done some cuts on mdf and metal but we struggle to get clean cuts with it. It also takes up a lot of space.
Tablesaw + bags of concrete mix = boat anchor.
Yep! 👍
Cant wait for the episode when U burn the saw down:)
Really great vid. Have been a subscriber since the beginning. Surprised by some of them but as usual you explain thoroughly which leaves no doubt as to why. Anybody that watches you could never seriously doubt you did not go through all possible solutions to get your Ferrari biscuit cutter connectors working correctly, way when the rest of us would have lost patience long ago.
Thank you! 🙌👍
Hello Peter - I was expecting you to mention the Triton thicknesser that briefly appeared on your bench, never to be seen again. I've often wondered what happened to it...
I feel your pain about the tablesaw. I made the same mistake. When I was starting out I thought that a tablesaw would be essential. But my mistake wasn't as expensive as yours because my tablesaw came from Aldi. :-)
Although, come to think of it, it did cost me a lot of money because you convinced me that I should replace it with a TS55...
No, never had a Triton thicknesser. I have an Erbauer 10" planer/thicknesser tucked away under the bench, and it's very good for the money. 👍
Oh! God. We've all got a piece of s**t in our workshop that's too expensive to chuck away, and sits there mocking us! Mine is a micro-precision fence for making all sort of joints.
That’s the trouble right? Doctors get to bury their mistakes, architects plant Ivy; woodworkers just have our mistakes sitting there in the corner of the workshop, mocking us! 🤦♂️😂
I really love your videos. You're a genuine geezer!
Thank you! 👍
What doesn't kill you, makes you 😭
Great video. Yes, PayPal money doesn't seem like real money, well, not until the end of the month. It is so easy to get caught up in the moment, and watching inspiring videos like yours does tend to make one feel, as you often have said, spendy.
Like so many others, I'd love to play with the Domino, but I tend only to buy tools that I'd also use onsite. And TBH, I wouldn't dream of taking a tool like that onto a building site - I mean, hey, where would I use it - it would be in the back of someone's van before morning tea break!
Just a quick question. Do you have any experience of using the self clamping biscuits? Apparently, they work with a standard biscuit joiner.
Great video Pete.For me , if a purchase goes wrong it makes me think "why do i bother". Very disconcerting when they dont live up to expectation. Especially if its a job for someone { i hate impulse buys }
Thanks Steve! 👍
Thanks Peter. Do you have an alternative to the Graco UltraMAX that works for you now?
No, I stopped spraying after that. Haven’t touched it since. 🤷♂️👍
Great video, I don't think you should waste any time with that table saw, get rid & gain a bit more space. I can see your point about the CNC and the same could be applied to my 3D printer, sometimes its quicker to make a couple of parts in less time than it takes to design it and print it, but for other bits I need it's great to set it off batch printing while I get on with other stuff. Oh, and thanks for the LT Jig, very impressed 👍 👏.
Thanks! Yes, the LT jigs are a case in point; no way I could make those on my CNC in the kind of volume I need, and even prototyping them is a waste of time because the guy who does the work is just so much better at the software than I am. 👍
Oof when that cabinet fell apart I was swearing just watching it, I’m surprised you didn’t fully explode with rage! 😂
I love watching content when people turn something crap into something useable so it would be an interesting challenge with the saw.
Happy new Year !! Live long and prosper !!
I realise that sprayer is small and portable, but a modest compressor and decent spray gun is still quite easy to move around and will be very reliable.
The Graco was bought for a specific job where a compressor and gun wasn’t an option. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop now I’m
curious, why a compressor and a gun wouldn’t be an option? You had to carry it somewhere with many steps and no lift?
Set fire to the saw if you get 3,000 likes 😁
Angle design from Denmark track for plunge tools how about doing a review for that
Got a link? Tried googling what you’ve written but get nothing that makes sense. 🤷♂️
"Power to noise converter" 😂
Graco Ultra. My experience too, rubbish after the first 5 minutes. (First one replaced under warranty, second one patchy at best.) If I need to spray I use my Graco 390PC, it just works. The Ultra just sits on the shelf...
Hi Peter we’ve all done this purchased stuff that we thought we needed but we actually don’t, I try my best to have a need list and a want list, I leave this on my workbench for weeks and generally I find I don’t need half of what I thought but it is thank you to people like you that post videos on here that saves people like me a bunch of money thank you and happy New Year to you. PS I would sell the saw but just be honest and to whoever you sell it to me and tell them it’s not brilliant but someone out there would love it. Paul 👍
A guy here in Wyoming had a TV as frustrating as your table saw. He took it outside and shot it full of holes.
Don’t blame him!
What's going on with your worzel Hampstead's??
Huh? 🤷♂️
Life is full of such purchases 😁😁😁