Never have a problem with my 2017 GT. But then again I actually learned the car's characteristics before pushing it to it's limits. I would say that more than 98% of the Mustang wreck videos are 100% driver fault and inexperience.
i 100% agree, ive own 3 mustangs (v6s, 2 SN95s and 1 S197) but i have slid them around alot, Ive driven gts before and they dont snap over steer like the dumb people in these videos. if you know a car well enough you can mess around in it just fine
Modern muscle cars are 16-25 year olds who don’t know how to handle power anyone who’s over that age and has a muscle car probably has a 60s-70s muscle which is the best time of the muscle car
@Alfredo Lopez i drive a 2017 and am offended by this comment there so beautiful i think besides the 2013/14 model years there the best looking generation of Mustangs mainly because of how sleek it looks
Just don't do stunts like these if you are not a pro. No matter what car are you driving. Cars are the muscle, and you are supposed to be the brains. Rings a bell?
Chris Hristov how are you supposed to become pro if you don't practice. (I'm not saying do it in the streets but like empty parking lots and stuff like that)
Ok but one thing I don't understand. Why do they crash so easy, if you just let go of the gas or brake and just steer softly into straight like you can't crash if you do that?
TheMidnightNarwhal That's what I was talking about. It's not the car that causes accidents, it's the driver. People without basic skills do stupid things and then blame the car when something goes wrong.
@@JackRR15 No because if you're sliding and you just let of the gas and press the brakes mustangs will snap oversteer in the opposite direction. Happened to me in my mom's sn95.
TheMidnightNarwhal because TORQUE and HORSEPOWER. You launch something in a direction with a aftermarket 0-60 of 3.9-4.8 seconds, you’re gonna bet your car has that much energy from acceleration pushing it forward lmao.
Or you could just let off the gas. People have been doing burnouts with solid rear axles as long as I can remember, AND I'M AN OLD FART. I bought my 69 GTX 440 brand new, I still own it. I've gone through tons, piles, & mountains of back tires. It's never been wrecked. I have kept Big O Tire shops in business for many years.
This guy has no clue what he's talking about, he knows nothing about cars. First of all, mustangs haven't had stability control for very long so that is irrelevant as the vast majority of Mustangs on the road don't have stability control let alone traction control. Secondly solid axles are found in many cars of the same style, yes Ford was more adamant about using them but Ford also had the most advanced solid axle setup using multilink chassis connectors, coil springs, panhard bars, sway bars etc, so compared to other live axle vehicles, it was actually superior in stability, Ford makes some of the best solid axles in existence, go ask Jeep and drag car enthusiasts if you don't believe it. Thirdly most v6 and v8 Mustangs have a limited slip differential, the 4 cylinder Mustangs until recently were usually open differential but they lacked enough power to even spin one wheel so it didn't matter, most live axle Ford vehicles in general were limited slip. And it is completely incorrect to say that an open differential is more likely to lose grip. An open differential will transmit almost all toque to the inside wheel on a corner to aid in maintaining grip of the wheel with the most weight on it, that's why drifters use limited slips and welded differentials. Initially a limited slip will have more grip but when they break loose, they are almost uncontrolable for most drivers, open diffs aren't as easy to upset but they lack performance. And wheel hop was more of a problem on the 03-04 Cobras which had a double wishbone independent rear suspension that the chassis wasn't designed for, additionally the rubber bushings were too soft which is why Kenny Brown makes aluminum bushings to eradicate wheel hop on what is actually an excellent SLA IRS. Now Ford actually designed the 07-14 model years for rear independent suspension but retrofitted a live axle instead right before production, so that cause issues too but inversely. The only reason that Mustangs tend to run into crowds is because they're the most popular pony car in existence, they are literally everywhere, relatively powerful, pretty inexpensive, anyone can buy one, usually a testosterone ridden kid who can't control the powerful v8 but mashes it to the floor anyway and bingo, the flooded market and a teenager with something to prove makes a great reliable pony car get a bad wrap. I wish this guy knew what he was talking about but instead of talking about the true strengths and weaknesses of the car he spreads misinformation not only about Mustangs but also cars in general.
I used the Moser 9-inch Ford differential with my turbo LS setup . But when you list that many facts it does seem kind of whiney . All cars have shitty flaws so it's no big deal . So enjoy what you drive and if you don't enjoy what you drive get something that is enjoyable to drive and the hell with what anybody thinks about it . You could be driving a Lada or Yugo .
R/T Life true but I own a 2012 mustang gt automatic, 2014 evo x gsr and I just leased a 2018 Dodge Charger rt/scat pack with the dynamics package and 275/40r20 summer tires only yesterday. It is probably the tires but man, I can step on it from a stand still with much more confidence than my stang. Lol. The stang loses control very easily. I don’t have the irs on the 5.0. I actually need to race my 5.0 against my Charger to see Which is faster. This fuckin Charger is much faster than I had anticipated. I thought it wouldn’t be that fast since it is very heavy but I was dead wrong. Sport mode let’s you rally take advantage of some fast shifting
fw1421 most of the dudes crashing were likely over 30. Truth is the car isn't that easy to hoon in. I've had the wheels break loose during normal driving. Fun car with a sneaky bite.
No matter what a driver's age, it's never a good idea to drive beyond one's abilities. In other words, people who want to drive fast, do doughnuts, burnouts, etc. should find a wide open space and practice instead of attempting these maneuvers for the first time with zero preparation on public roads in the middle of crowds. In the motorcycling community, people who don't wear the proper gear, don't observe basic safety practices, overestimate their abilities, and frequently lose control of their bikes, are called "squids." Apparently, the Mustang enthusiast community has its own version of squids.
Hell Zach, I even take things I'm going to be driving for a while to a big parking lot just to find out how they act in "normal" driving. Get up a good speed and slam on the brakes, straight and in a turn. I want to know what the cars going to try to do, pull to the left or right, spin out etc. BEFORE I have to find out in the middle of traffic on a freeway. I'll do it in the dry and on a rainy day. Same with motorcycles. No matter how many electronic nannies and gizmos your vehicle has ( I prefer zero)...always keep in mind that the only thing between you and the road are 4 very small patches of rubber.
I do the same, and every spring when I fire up my motorcycle after a long winter, I check every nut, bolt, and hose to make sure everything is still on one piece before I gingerly ride to an empty lot to practice panic braking and emergency swerves.
For the most part it is the driver. You can't drive a rear wheel drive car and expect the same driving characteristics as a front and awd car. That's why I love my gt500, powerful, chaotic and manageable. Though I believe the new s550, especially the 350 are extremely refined!
This doesn’t actually happen. Improper use is the problem. Traction and stability control are two different systems and get turned off separately. They don’t reactivate on their own if they’re shut off properly.
the slugg this is incorrect. The Advanctrac system reactivated after wheel speed exceeds 35 mph. My own truck has this miserable piece of shit system. It is so bad that during winter I have attempted to accelerate one tire has slipped and the engine fully cut power. No go. Just woah in front of a municipal fucking plow ( he was not going fast and stopped safely but suffice to say me lodged on a 45 across a lane trying to turn into a driveway with 3 inches of snow on the ground scared ole hell out of me). In order to turn it off you need to press the trac control button for 7 seconds steady. Then lots of go. However at 35 mph it overrides even on dry roads and turns back on.
Audis handle very well and can make even the worst drivers pretty good. Floor a 500hp Audi even in the rain and you will ferl confident. Dont even try that with a 350 plus hp mustang in the rain. Around corners is the same thing and the audi doesnt have that backsnapping point of no return 180 that mhstangs do, recovery is most always an option.
(My Audi credentials are Audi S8 4.2 V8, Audi 100 2.2 turbo, both are quattro's, and various FWD Audi 80 and 100 variants over the years, I've never touched a Mustang though) Even factory Audi replacement parts are insanely expensive, whereas the Mustang's are not only cheaper to buy (by a landslide), rockauto has all the parts for mere fractions of the price of equivalent Audi replacement parts. And Audi Traditions (for ordering quality replacement parts to do your own repairs) no longer operates in the U.S, so that's one thing to consider, the second your Audi is 5 years or older = Dealer repairs get insanely expensive and you can't get your own quality parts (I live in Norway so no problem here). Also with constant 60/40 4WD and the engines hanging way out front of the front axles you get MASSIVE understeer as a result, the only way to really drive them is to force them and that raises the risks considerably and places higher strain on suspension components (and you can't just swap out ball joints, you have to replace ENTIRE control/toe arm assemblies even if they're not physically damaged) Just things that I think budding U.S Audi enthusiasts really should know about before going for it.
@@ToreDL87 If you are buying Audi parts on Rock auto I hope you are either scrolling down to the Oem or better catagory or its a 20 year old beater that you dont mind having improper clearences, durability, and casting flaws. I have gotten some really shitty parts from rock auto. Its almost a joke. I bought sway bar end links for a 2016 bmw 5 series for 18 bucks each. They were supposed to be 110 each from the dealer. They fit but made the car sway like a boat and were able to be moved by hand. I replaced with Oem ones that ran 89 a piece and you cant move em even if you pull and push with all your might. The ball joints are beefier and sealed better, more material and thicker metal, and the car was noticably stiffer and more reaponsive. Like tires parts can be inferior due to improper quality control and cutting corners for price reductions and higher profits. My theory is if you cant afford to put genuine parts on it you cant afford it. Most luxury cars out of warranty cost as much or more to keep on the road, properly, without squeaks, broken instruments, worn bushings, bad alignments, warped rotors, you name it. May as well get a honda
I must admit I was surprised when my 2015 GT 6-speed went sideways when punching it in second gear on a curved freeway entrance ramp while the traction control was on. I thought traction control was supposed to stop wheel spin, but evidently this traction control is somewhat conservative. Luckily, I stayed on it and got straight after a couple corrections giving the guy behind me a great show.
I've owned 6 Mustangs and I bought the first one in 1970. All were V8's and most were high performance (including a 69 Boss 302) and all had solid rear axles and I never had a control issue even when the cars had open differentials. These people just don't know how to drive!
Exactly. Everyone wants to blame the car for bad driving. I think people are too used to all the electronic nannies making up for their lack of skill they think something is wrong with the car when they push it beyond what the computers can compensate for. I remember just as many 80s Mustangs, Camaros and Corvette being crashed. The biggest difference is everyone has video capabilities on them all the time now so we all get to see the bad driving.
None of f s550 v8 powered gt's have open differentials or solid axles. All gt's have torsion lock differentials and independent rear suspensions. Get your facts straight
Live Wire Offering an overpowered car in a chassis not designed to safely harness that power for regular drivers is a flaw. But Ford doesn't mind as long as they sell many of these to countless of fools.
This video has so much wrong information. 1:31 Original video shows the driver purposely sending the car into a sideways slide because the brakes were completely gone(brake fluid completely boiled). Hence, the "WE SAVED IT."
The picture is of the GT350, which has multi-link (independent) rear suspension which is supplemented by a magnetic system that monitors the road and adjusts every 7 milliseconds, a limited slip differential, and the rear axle is split due to the independent multilink suspension. It also has an analog switch to turn off the traction control systems, so all of the points are mute when it comes to the vehicle pictured in the thumbnail. The GT350 is one of the best cars I've had the pleasure of owning and one of the best handling cars I've ever driven (Its handling is on par with the BMW M4 and Porche GT3), do not let someone who did not take the time to properly educate themselves on the car that they are using as the thumbnail tell you which car is more dangerous than another. At the end of the day all cars are dangerous and lethal. Some are just more difficult to control and take more experience to handle.
Cheap power for the unwashed masses? Hardly, I remember a story about a Dentist who bought a 911 Turbo back in the day when that car was basically unsafe to drive at the upper limit, he immediately went out and managed to kill himself, he was going too fast, let up on the gas in the middle of a hard freeway exit turn, the rear end came around, he lost control and died in the crash. His family sued Porsche claiming he should of been trained to drive that car before taking ownership. You see affordability has little to do will skill levels, a rich man can crash a fast car as well as a regular guy.
Zecrid no, you can tell when a car loses control of car feom power, it is much more left,right,left,right movement. This looks like they barely can even fix it
@@CHURCHISAWESUM Well, I don't think the non-V8 cars look too cool. But, let's be honest, without those people buying the lower-performing versions, the Mustang would be priced more like a Vette. I think those of us who own V8 Mustangs owe a little debt of gratitude to those Keiths and Karens for subsidizing our passion.
I’ve had my traction control activate on its own when I was trying to pull out on the road. I didn’t lose control but it cut the power and couldn’t accelerate at all. I was just trying to pull out quick into heavy traffic and almost got rear ended because of it.
Traction control on a Toyota Tundra is dangerous. If you need the power to get out of the way and it senses any differential in tire speed, just bind over and kiss your ass goodby because the damned thing is going to cut the power to nothing. And to add insult to injury Tundras do not have a real limited slip, it is electronic and just adds brake pressure to the faster turning wheel. Yes I know I should have bought a real pickup truck.
I actually learned a bit here, have always wondered why these cars loose it so damn easily. The only thing missing from this in my opinion is the "inexperienced driver" issue because no matter how great a car is built or what kind of stability control it has Johnny Just-Got-My-License can put the car in a ditch, pole or other fixed object.
1st problem is the DRIVER, I've had several stangs and never had a control issue expect one time in the snow at about 5mph. What you stated about solid/live rear ends shows you are a bit ignorant on how they work, IF they have a locker installed like say in the Saleens (I had a 97 S281), well a locker or limited slip rear end power is transmissted to BOTH tires equally, what you described when one wheel goes one way and the other the opposite is in the operation of a OPEN CARRIER DIFF, which are usually only found in the cheaper line of stangs as others like say the Cobras have limited slip. Thumbs down, not well thought out at all. The main issue is stupid drivers.
Kareem Kirton for real.. I was raised up in Mustangs and my pops never wrecked his at all. Now I own one and love the power and handling. Ppl are just dumb!
Nah, but I was in high school with some guys that were just as bad. One got an 88 on Christmas Eve of 87. That night he hit the only tree in the middle of a 25 acre field... Later I found out he was really a Chevy man...
Malfunctioning ESC? More like no ESC since the drivers turn it off before peeling out...theres no flaw with the Mustang, its the driver. People buy a pony car and think they're Steve McQueen.
Diamond Logistics Haha I'm 19 but I'm sure the majority of young car guys also know or have heard of McQueen, especially with the new iteration of the Bullitt Mustang that just came out
So if Mustang's fatal flaws are bad, then i guess Pencils miss spell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat. :P Of course all of those driver examples have an idiot with his foot on the floor. hehe.
When you were talking about the issue of the solid rear axle you showed the s550 which has an independent rear suspension....just saying. Side note, the limited slip differential is on the majority of mustangs according to an article written by american muscle. Open differentials "can be found on base model V6 equipped Mustangs." In regards to limited slip "This is the bread-and-butter of Mustang differentials. The majority of Mustangs come equipped with a limited-slip type differential called Traction-Lok from Ford."
Ballislife And he showed a 60's era car when he talked about IRS and wheel hop. And he showed cars with limited slip when he talked about open differentials. The whole video is a jab at Mustangs and it says more about him than it does about the cars.
Yes most mustangs including the v6s came with limited slip. the only problem with limited slip is it doesn't work well. never has probably never will. The manufacturers have figured that out and added traction control so that when it detects wheel spin through the Wheel speed sensor it applies the brake to the over revving wheel to assist the limited slip to increase the power to the slower spinning wheel(sometimes both wheels) in order to regain traction.
Lol most of these flaws apply to older mustangs, you want the real reason? Because mustangs are the most accessible 2 door sports car with the most power, so the majority of people that buy it don't know how to handle it, then think they can act cool and show off because they can and wreak them lol the only problem with the mustang is the morons that buy it thinking their f1/nascar/drag/circuit drivers after a taste of power lol
Good to know. I know Mustangs are known to lose control.. especially in turns, so I take turns easy. I have a 2014 so have the solid rear axle. I haven't had any trouble other than uneasiness in turns but knowing the issue ahead of time I personally tone down on power when I need to then accelerate out of a turn. I love my Mustang and wouldn't trade it for anything! B)
Every single one of these captures looks like they are trying to save it, I say that loosely. Looks more like they never tried to brake at all when the s--t hits the fan.
Fatal flaws? Give me a break. Thus video is so full of mis-information; what a joke. Nothing fatal about the stability control, solid axle of older cars, or open diff. The cars in these videos clearly depict drivers who do not know what they are doing. Idiots keeping their foot in it when they need to just get off the throttle.
Alexnator_200 - perhaps I do not understand your question, but wheel hop is a common occurrence on all solid rear axle vehicles with moderate to high horsepower. It is not a “fatal flaw”. That is why many muscle cars of the past ran traction bars. This is not exclusive to Mustangs. Anyone who knows, really knows how to drive a car can handle this.
Thank you for posting this. I hope to get either a late model (S550) Ford Mustang at some point, or possibly a classic Mustang; and it's good to know about any potential issues. Like many of the comments note, if you push a car hard, stuff's more likely to go wrong. Whenever I do end up getting my next car, I don't plan to ever take it racing or do burn-outs, so (fortunately) I'm not really too worried about what's in this video. I really feel bad, however, for all the guys in this clip who wrecked. Personally, it's almost physically painful seeing those nice Mustangs getting ruined.
sam smola I wouldnt say they're fatal issues though tbh. The solid rear axle for example is more of a nuisance than a danger unless you're taking a corner way too fast for the car in the first place. Nothing that a skilled driver can't handle.
As a mustang owner myself I know this to be true, I can handle a car very well but, sometimes the mustang can be very unpredictable especially while drifting, your in oversteer and all of a sudden the car tries to go straight, it's pretty annoying when it happens
Throttle control, Throttle control, throttle control. 90% of the time this comes down to the owners because they don't know when to let off the gas I have a 89 Camaro and I spin my tires all the time and the moment my rear end goes sideways I let off the gas and have never lost control this all comes down to user error and not knowing that you should stop with the gas so control can be regained.
You let off the gas and it grips all of a sudden. Will hit the brakes on the one back tire, now your front tires grip because you tried to correct the slide trying to keeping the nose straight. It’s shoots you straight sideways to were your front tires where turned. I found out first hand. Computer takes over and causes the crash instead of letting you do It.
WRONG, LSD are prone to sudden rear axle grip loss on acceleration. Especially under wet conditions. An open diff will just spin the inside wheel instead. I had BMW's in the past with both configuration.
dieselscience open diffs tend to cause the car to snap oversteer which is unexpected and will end badly. I will never own another open diff car ever again due to this issue.. the lsd prevents sudden unexpected snap oversteer in most cases (assuming the clutches are in good shape)
I agree about posi rear ends causing more problems the a open rearends. With both tires spinning you have NO traction in the rear of the car. All it takes is a driver not being familiar on how to handle this condition and the car will swap ends in the blink of an eye. I spun my first posi car out because I gave it to much gas and ended up coming within a foot of hitting a house going sideways. Every car in your video has a posi rearend from what I can see.
ashemoski I'm not so sure. Those mustangs did a left-right-left fish tail spin out. That's exacly what my race mower did (grasscar, it's an actual sport). The thing liked to grip on one side and then the other and sometimes spin out (or in my case flip). I welded my diffs shut and now its so much better. I can even drift it safely at 35 mph while before even turning fast at 15 mph was a little sketchy unless it was paved. I also have LSD on my RX-8, and it does a side-side jerk gripping in the wet, but nothing compared to my Mercedes with open diffs. It may also be tied to the type of suspension and not just differentails.
Dear modern muscle blaming the car for the crash is like blaming the gun for the shooter. If somebody wants to put on big boy pants and drive a mustang then they should have 1) Have a brain in their head. 2) Some nuts in their sac. Driving a muscle car is not having to rely on cell phone advice or computers to replace SKILL. Note to log the camero and challengers have the same atritibutes but less power. So the next time you embarrass yourself in front of friends you can’t blame Microsoft .
three of the cars you showed wrecking were independent rear end cars,not solid axles. All of those wrecks could have be avoided, if they lifted off the pedal and hit the break, you have to be able to feel the wheels spinning,some people can't do that.
Have had 5 Mustangs dating back to my 89 GT and now a 15 GT with supercharger. Most of what you see in these videos is driver inexperience though there are some valid points. My solid rear axle cars were easy to break free when accelerating in a turn which was a lot of fun (just had to pick the right place and time to do it - like not leaving a car meet). My 15 is the first with an IRS. It does suffer from wheel hop, something I never experienced with the solid rear axles. First time I ever ran into this was in a friends BMW M3. Good news is that there are after market parts (not very expensive) that help considerably but don't get rid of it completely.
Other than the malfunctioning traction control (which my mustang does not have at all) those things could be said about a lot of cars, design choices with pros and cons. I just think due to high sales volumes there are a lot of bad drivers trying to drive beyond there ability, which results in a lot of crashes. I suppose if you need a car to drive for you get a new Camaro or maybe a nice Camry.
Reaper5.56 Xx what’s this got to do with Steve ?! The drivers in THIS video are clearly not connected or know how to drive this type of car when it gets out of shape.
But how could someone SMART AND SAVVY ENOUGH TO BUY THE "BEST" NOT BE A FUCKING "RACE DRIVER" FROM BIRTH? ARE YOU SAYING A FUCKING 260-425 HP LOW-TORQUE, HIGH-RPM RWD "SPORTS CAR" SPECIFICALLY "TARGETED" ON "YOUNG MEN" WITH AT LEAST ENOUGH "SMARTS" TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THEM IS "BEYOND" THEIR CAPABILITIES? i THOUGHT MUSTANGS WERE "PONY CARS" AND SUCH FUCKING DREAM MACHINES TO DRIVE AND SO EASY TO DRIVE WELL AND ALL THAT OTHER FUCKING PROPAGANDA ASSCLOWNS LIKE YOU SPEW EVERYWHERE BUT WHERE YOU NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE PISS-POOR DESIGNED PIECES OF SHIT THAT WON'T '"GO STRAIGHT" WITH EVEN A FUCKING 260-HP SOHC "MOD MOTOR" UNDER THE HOOD? WHAT THE FUCK IS IT? DEATHTRAP OR DREAM MACHINE? AND WHY IN THE FUCK ARE YOU HEAR WATCHING THOSE "FOOLS" YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING FROM, PARNELLI? DON'T YOU HAVE SOME "PINKS" TO GO WIN OFF SOME "CAMARO GUYS"? YOU FUCKING POSER.
DEEREMEYER1 not a pozer here, I at least got to know the handling capabilities of my car it’s allot more powerful than the 260-420 or so that stated, It commands more respect. I don’t care if it’s a mustang or a corvette before you start showing off you need to know your car and YOUR limits.
What's up with the Dodge Challenger at the end? Another pony car with all the same flaws. And the Camaro, same thing. But go ahead and pick on Mustangs with douchebags behind the wheel
Mike M camaro dosent have these problems...its a certified track car ... mustang cant qualify cause of handling issues nd challengers have bicycle tires
He's dead wrong about the limited slip differential. According to Car & Driver all 2019 Mustangs have mechanical LSDs. Shelbys have Torsen LSDs. You know, the track cars, right YoungChevyBoi?
Nearly all of these are total myths. I've been working on Mustangs of nearly every era for almost 10 years and I've never run into the problem of electronic traction control turning on by itself. The whole reason you see a lot of drivers lose control is that they don't understand how to handle a car when the rear end breaks loose when they stomp on the gas harder than the situation calls for. Younger drivers generally don't get that electronic traction control can't save you 100% of the time when you're dealing with an engine that has that much torque. As for the solid rear on them - that is not a flaw, and with the current suspension setup you will never have an issue with energy transferring if you know how to fucking drive. They most definitely DO NOT handle poorly in sharp turns. Anyone who has EVER driven a Mustang made after the 80's can tell you that this isn't even remotely a problem. These are the most popular American car in Germany right now for a reason. They handle really well and deal with curves and corners better nearly all European cars of the same price range and many well over it (take POS BMW products for example). The only point that that I can give on here is that they do occasionally have wheel hop. Though I rarely run in to this problem on stock Mustangs. It almost always seems to be the vehicles which have been heavily modified by people who don't think things through very well.
I'm kinda curious what's your definition of a "regular drag guy"? Also electricity is inherently dangerous but when used properly is perfectly safe, as are passengers cars when used as designed.
SRA Mustangs suffer from snap oversteer. Let's say you pitch it sideways around a corner. You have a little too much angle & you get scared. In panic mode the first reaction is to let off the throttle. That's when the car snaps into a drift to the other direction, especially since the wheel is already turned that way. To save it, decrease throttle until you start to lose angle, then floor that btch and don't let off until you're spinning in a straight line. Let it fishtail, but whatever you do, do not let off until you're going straight. This can be fixed with some suspension mods
Limited slip is more likely to slide sideways, as both rear tires can spin rather than just one. With one tire spinning, and one just sitting there doing nothing, it is nearly impossible to get sideways, even intentionally.
Every single 2011 and up mustang has a LSD, which was all that was included in this video basically. Open diff doesn't cause you to lose control lol, dude didn't even research before he posted.
grant johnson With out LSD you would never get a good launch or even a good burn out , drop the clutch on a non LSD and you don’t go anywhere with just that one tire spinning . Forget about snow , rain or even towing w/o an LSD
A lot of these videos have nothing to do with these "issues" you're listing, the issue is a lightish car (compared to it's competitors) and quite a bit of horsepower. The stability control does turn off, but most don't know how too, and just turn the traction control off, which causes the car to snap sometimes. Plus that video of the GT500 on the track, had nothing to do with any stability control issues or anything like that, it was a brake failure and their only option was to spin it and hope it stopped; which it obvious did.
Just learn to drive and set up you're suspension ! Why even have all the traction and stability control ? If you know how to drive you buy a turner and have that stuff shut off permanently .
Thank you. I was wondering why my 2016 rolled to one side with the weight on the passenger side. Thank God I was able to control the car and keep it from going anywhere.
Ford is jeep of the car world, or jeep the ford. Basicly how cheep can they produce it. No no no, don’t redesign the steeringc death wobble is a trademark and so is spinning out, so don’t change the rear end either, just the shell, call it a fordable Shelby
These so-called flaws the author of this video suggest where apparent in all makes and models of American muscle cars for their respective years. It's not the car, it's the inexperienced driver.
I’ve owned 3 mustangs all high end performance models and they are wonderful cars. This is what happens when you push a stock car and a novice beyond their limits. Enjoy all your videos even the slightly campy ones. Keep em coming. (Unfortunately There’s no life guard in the gene pool for careless driving)
@@StarlightTrail3 but before that was not a problem and now it is it means that today's drivers are used to cars full of assistance when it is done in the old school
An open differential with stability control is a dangerous combination. I have an ls400 with an open differential (albiet irs) and it was raining and I was going around a corner to go on the on ramp for the highway and my rear end broke loose. Naturally I steered to correct it, but when the brakes automatically applied, the weight shifted to the other side violently, now making me lose damn near all control of the car. Now I just drive without traction and stability control on.
Mario L oh it's crazy. The suspension is too soft be any good which is a shame. Apparently car and driver got .89 g in their tests with an ls400. Idk how but they did. I got 344k miles on her. She isn't fuel efficient but she is indestructible
NatoriousGamePlay yes horrible on gas but my navigator gets 8 in the city and about 15-16 hwy so the ls400 is better. I'd did own it when gas was almost at $6 a gallon so it was expensive. Probably more expensive then my navigator right now. It's hard to get explain the ls400 handeling. Its very easy to get loose and drift and was 50/50 weight distribution so it was very easy to control once the rear end got loose. It had good shitty handeling. If that makes any sense. The steering has barely any road feel but you can have fun with TC off in one
Mario L yeah power steering apparently was an issue Toyota just had in the 90s. Mine has a very slow leak, so I just ignore it till it's time to top up, which is every few months. And this car just needs headers and a faster transmission. Bit slow to shift, and it just runs out of steam up top. But traction is off with a simple push of a button. It's so nice. If only an lsd existed, I would go out and drift much more. I might get poly sway bar mounts and coilovers some day. That should fix the handling. It's fairly direct, just too much roll and no feeling.
I've owned three GT Mustangs, including my current 2018 and the rear ends tend to spin or slide when you accelerate. It's something all Mustang drivers should to be aware of. Luckily, I've been able to maintain control the times it has snapped on me and avoid any incident.
Never have a problem with my 2017 GT. But then again I actually learned the car's characteristics before pushing it to it's limits. I would say that more than 98% of the Mustang wreck videos are 100% driver fault and inexperience.
The 2017 is also the new chassis which has been proven time and again to be a great handling platform
I would say pendejos :)
Amen
i 100% agree, ive own 3 mustangs (v6s, 2 SN95s and 1 S197) but i have slid them around alot, Ive driven gts before and they dont snap over steer like the dumb people in these videos. if you know a car well enough you can mess around in it just fine
Oh shut up lol
In my experience a lot of muscle car owners really have no idea how to handle fast cars. Too much money and not enough brains.
JMC RIDES Flaw #5..douchebags behind the wheel
Yep
JMC RIDES bahahaha yer that's it. Nothing do with shit engineering lol
Modern muscle cars are 16-25 year olds who don’t know how to handle power anyone who’s over that age and has a muscle car probably has a 60s-70s muscle which is the best time of the muscle car
Says the kid with the hot air intake a fart can equipped shitvic judging from behind a screen and cant even handle their 97hp themselves 😂😂🤣👍🏽👍🏽
R.I.P. all those beautiful Mustangs that were lost because of the stupid drivers.
@@Youngboyfan42069 and what do you drive?
@@Youngboyfan42069 not necessarily sometimes it is best offer for the time being which sometimes in the used car market you have to compromise
@@Youngboyfan42069 ok I here you but always remember different strokes for different folks
@Alfredo Lopez i drive a 2017 and am offended by this comment there so beautiful i think besides the 2013/14 model years there the best looking generation of Mustangs mainly because of how sleek it looks
@@supremesoldier354 i have a 14 and i love it!
Just don't do stunts like these if you are not a pro. No matter what car are you driving. Cars are the muscle, and you are supposed to be the brains. Rings a bell?
Chris Hristov how are you supposed to become pro if you don't practice. (I'm not saying do it in the streets but like empty parking lots and stuff like that)
Ok but one thing I don't understand. Why do they crash so easy, if you just let go of the gas or brake and just steer softly into straight like you can't crash if you do that?
TheMidnightNarwhal That's what I was talking about. It's not the car that causes accidents, it's the driver. People without basic skills do stupid things and then blame the car when something goes wrong.
@@JackRR15 No because if you're sliding and you just let of the gas and press the brakes mustangs will snap oversteer in the opposite direction. Happened to me in my mom's sn95.
TheMidnightNarwhal because TORQUE and HORSEPOWER. You launch something in a direction with a aftermarket 0-60 of 3.9-4.8 seconds, you’re gonna bet your car has that much energy from acceleration pushing it forward lmao.
The worst flaw of the Ford Mustang in the stupid drivers
its not worse than a camaro
@@shanchauhan8281 Doubt that.
Or you could just let off the gas.
People have been doing burnouts with solid rear axles as long as I can remember, AND I'M AN OLD FART.
I bought my 69 GTX 440 brand new, I still own it.
I've gone through tons, piles, & mountains of back tires. It's never been wrecked. I have kept Big O Tire shops in business for many years.
The guy was talking about live rear ends as if they are all open carriers.
Patrick Baptist My GTX is the factory Suregrip.
bill thompson Bet you wish you brought a used hemi during the fuel shortage.
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Well said bro ,same here people need to learn how to fkn drive .
The flaw is with the driver. People get cars they can’t handle.
pretty much any muscle car, tuner, or rice burner...
its the electronics lol he said it aswell
Mustang's are a disease
I drive a mustang and have never experienced any of these issues
lol that so true lol
It’s just the drivers forget to turn off crowd control🤦🏼♂️
I laughed way too hard at this 😂
LMFAO
Don't you mean crowd kill?
This comment is goated🤣🤣
😂
This guy has no clue what he's talking about, he knows nothing about cars. First of all, mustangs haven't had stability control for very long so that is irrelevant as the vast majority of Mustangs on the road don't have stability control let alone traction control. Secondly solid axles are found in many cars of the same style, yes Ford was more adamant about using them but Ford also had the most advanced solid axle setup using multilink chassis connectors, coil springs, panhard bars, sway bars etc, so compared to other live axle vehicles, it was actually superior in stability, Ford makes some of the best solid axles in existence, go ask Jeep and drag car enthusiasts if you don't believe it. Thirdly most v6 and v8 Mustangs have a limited slip differential, the 4 cylinder Mustangs until recently were usually open differential but they lacked enough power to even spin one wheel so it didn't matter, most live axle Ford vehicles in general were limited slip. And it is completely incorrect to say that an open differential is more likely to lose grip. An open differential will transmit almost all toque to the inside wheel on a corner to aid in maintaining grip of the wheel with the most weight on it, that's why drifters use limited slips and welded differentials. Initially a limited slip will have more grip but when they break loose, they are almost uncontrolable for most drivers, open diffs aren't as easy to upset but they lack performance. And wheel hop was more of a problem on the 03-04 Cobras which had a double wishbone independent rear suspension that the chassis wasn't designed for, additionally the rubber bushings were too soft which is why Kenny Brown makes aluminum bushings to eradicate wheel hop on what is actually an excellent SLA IRS. Now Ford actually designed the 07-14 model years for rear independent suspension but retrofitted a live axle instead right before production, so that cause issues too but inversely. The only reason that Mustangs tend to run into crowds is because they're the most popular pony car in existence, they are literally everywhere, relatively powerful, pretty inexpensive, anyone can buy one, usually a testosterone ridden kid who can't control the powerful v8 but mashes it to the floor anyway and bingo, the flooded market and a teenager with something to prove makes a great reliable pony car get a bad wrap. I wish this guy knew what he was talking about but instead of talking about the true strengths and weaknesses of the car he spreads misinformation not only about Mustangs but also cars in general.
Now say it again without crying.
Whoever made the video is an idiot looking for views.... Probably never turned a wrench in their life....
Only S550 V6 mustangs have the 8.8 Rear with LSD. All previous V6s had the Ford 7.5" with an Open Diff.
I used the Moser 9-inch Ford differential with my turbo LS setup .
But when you list that many facts it does seem kind of whiney .
All cars have shitty flaws so it's no big deal . So enjoy what you drive and if you don't enjoy what you drive get something that is enjoyable to drive and the hell with what anybody thinks about it . You could be driving a Lada or Yugo .
Sansabar MichaelRoyGalbraith I didn’t even read your comment but I can tell by this paragraph you know your cars 👍👍
This car is a real *HIT* with the crowd
*claps*
Lol ur dumb dude
No one laughed so stop trying to act like your funny
Not funny
Didn’t laugh
@@small_SHOT nobody asked if you did :)
Damn dude I love the can of worms! Young inexperienced drivers having to much HP is the real problem
R/T Life its not just young drivers. I've seen "experienced" drivers make foolish mistakes because they dont even know their own car
You're totally right bro
R/T Life of bu bu bio
and alot of times its a rusty v6 thier just assholes
R/T Life true but I own a 2012 mustang gt automatic, 2014 evo x gsr and I just leased a 2018 Dodge Charger rt/scat pack with the dynamics package and 275/40r20 summer tires only yesterday. It is probably the tires but man, I can step on it from a stand still with much more confidence than my stang. Lol. The stang loses control very easily. I don’t have the irs on the 5.0. I actually need to race my 5.0 against my Charger to see Which is faster. This fuckin Charger is much faster than I had anticipated. I thought it wouldn’t be that fast since it is very heavy but I was dead wrong. Sport mode let’s you rally take advantage of some fast shifting
Fatal flaw they sell them to inexperienced drivers who think they're real racers
You don’t suspect young drivers doing stupid shit with their cars might have something to do with it? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
fw1421 most of the dudes crashing were likely over 30. Truth is the car isn't that easy to hoon in. I've had the wheels break loose during normal driving. Fun car with a sneaky bite.
No matter what a driver's age, it's never a good idea to drive beyond one's abilities. In other words, people who want to drive fast, do doughnuts, burnouts, etc. should find a wide open space and practice instead of attempting these maneuvers for the first time with zero preparation on public roads in the middle of crowds.
In the motorcycling community, people who don't wear the proper gear, don't observe basic safety practices, overestimate their abilities, and frequently lose control of their bikes, are called "squids." Apparently, the Mustang enthusiast community has its own version of squids.
Yep. Most to do with it. Listen to the audio in those videos. Nearly every driver kept their foot on the accelerator even after they lost control.
Hell Zach, I even take things I'm going to be driving for a while to a big parking lot just to find out how they act in "normal" driving. Get up a good speed and slam on the brakes, straight and in a turn. I want to know what the cars going to try to do, pull to the left or right, spin out etc. BEFORE I have to find out in the middle of traffic on a freeway. I'll do it in the dry and on a rainy day. Same with motorcycles.
No matter how many electronic nannies and gizmos your vehicle has ( I prefer zero)...always keep in mind that the only thing between you and the road are 4 very small patches of rubber.
I do the same, and every spring when I fire up my motorcycle after a long winter, I check every nut, bolt, and hose to make sure everything is still on one piece before I gingerly ride to an empty lot to practice panic braking and emergency swerves.
I think the major flaw is the drivers
MrTom1379 and the mustang
_Lucifer Gates does seem to have problems with it
In a way you're right ... and not. A good driver would take those flaws in consideration and compensate. They are still flaws.
For the most part it is the driver. You can't drive a rear wheel drive car and expect the same driving characteristics as a front and awd car. That's why I love my gt500, powerful, chaotic and manageable. Though I believe the new s550, especially the 350 are extremely refined!
MrTom1379 exactly
WE SAVED IT!!!! XD
Unintended re-activation of stabilization is the most dangerous by far.
This doesn’t actually happen. Improper use is the problem. Traction and stability control are two different systems and get turned off separately. They don’t reactivate on their own if they’re shut off properly.
the slugg this is incorrect. The Advanctrac system reactivated after wheel speed exceeds 35 mph. My own truck has this miserable piece of shit system. It is so bad that during winter I have attempted to accelerate one tire has slipped and the engine fully cut power. No go. Just woah in front of a municipal fucking plow ( he was not going fast and stopped safely but suffice to say me lodged on a 45 across a lane trying to turn into a driveway with 3 inches of snow on the ground scared ole hell out of me). In order to turn it off you need to press the trac control button for 7 seconds steady. Then lots of go. However at 35 mph it overrides even on dry roads and turns back on.
That’s why you need to pull fuses, or are mustangs stupid and that doesn’t work? I know a lot of cars you can just pull fuses on
Thank god I drive an old ass mustang with no stability control.
Jonathan Frazier no. The advanctrac or stability control is on the same fuse as the abs system.
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86 STREET and the mustang
Audis handle very well and can make even the worst drivers pretty good. Floor a 500hp Audi even in the rain and you will ferl confident. Dont even try that with a 350 plus hp mustang in the rain. Around corners is the same thing and the audi doesnt have that backsnapping point of no return 180 that mhstangs do, recovery is most always an option.
(My Audi credentials are Audi S8 4.2 V8, Audi 100 2.2 turbo, both are quattro's, and various FWD Audi 80 and 100 variants over the years, I've never touched a Mustang though)
Even factory Audi replacement parts are insanely expensive, whereas the Mustang's are not only cheaper to buy (by a landslide), rockauto has all the parts for mere fractions of the price of equivalent Audi replacement parts.
And Audi Traditions (for ordering quality replacement parts to do your own repairs) no longer operates in the U.S, so that's one thing to consider, the second your Audi is 5 years or older = Dealer repairs get insanely expensive and you can't get your own quality parts (I live in Norway so no problem here).
Also with constant 60/40 4WD and the engines hanging way out front of the front axles you get MASSIVE understeer as a result, the only way to really drive them is to force them and that raises the risks considerably and places higher strain on suspension components (and you can't just swap out ball joints, you have to replace ENTIRE control/toe arm assemblies even if they're not physically damaged)
Just things that I think budding U.S Audi enthusiasts really should know about before going for it.
@@ToreDL87 If you are buying Audi parts on Rock auto I hope you are either scrolling down to the Oem or better catagory or its a 20 year old beater that you dont mind having improper clearences, durability, and casting flaws. I have gotten some really shitty parts from rock auto. Its almost a joke. I bought sway bar end links for a 2016 bmw 5 series for 18 bucks each. They were supposed to be 110 each from the dealer. They fit but made the car sway like a boat and were able to be moved by hand. I replaced with Oem ones that ran 89 a piece and you cant move em even if you pull and push with all your might. The ball joints are beefier and sealed better, more material and thicker metal, and the car was noticably stiffer and more reaponsive. Like tires parts can be inferior due to improper quality control and cutting corners for price reductions and higher profits. My theory is if you cant afford to put genuine parts on it you cant afford it. Most luxury cars out of warranty cost as much or more to keep on the road, properly, without squeaks, broken instruments, worn bushings, bad alignments, warped rotors, you name it. May as well get a honda
I must admit I was surprised when my 2015 GT 6-speed went sideways when punching it in second gear on a curved freeway entrance ramp while the traction control was on. I thought traction control was supposed to stop wheel spin, but evidently this traction control is somewhat conservative. Luckily, I stayed on it and got straight after a couple corrections giving the guy behind me a great show.
What about the crowd avoidance module, that malfunctions and locks on to pedestrians? Why wasn't that covered?
Missed that one 😂
Need city streets software. GPS map drops HP to 50 max when on municipal streets. 50 Hp will getyaroundintown.
Al Grayson Tell that 40 hp is enough to anyone that dealt with a Ford Pinto.
Daniel Anderson ha
YES, I did notice that. Worked perfectly every time.
I've owned 6 Mustangs and I bought the first one in 1970. All were V8's and most were high performance (including a 69 Boss 302) and all had solid rear axles and I never had a control issue even when the cars had open differentials. These people just don't know how to drive!
jmaverick70 that’s was all before this bs computer managed stuff. Cars were controlled 100% by the driver. Now there is an assist for everything
Had a fellow street racer back in the mid 70's who drove a 70 Boss 302. That car would go sideways in an instant with a healthy tweak to the throttle.
Yeah thank you 😂 I've been saying that for years
Exactly. Everyone wants to blame the car for bad driving. I think people are too used to all the electronic nannies making up for their lack of skill they think something is wrong with the car when they push it beyond what the computers can compensate for. I remember just as many 80s Mustangs, Camaros and Corvette being crashed. The biggest difference is everyone has video capabilities on them all the time now so we all get to see the bad driving.
I did experience slight lost of control on new rear tires. but it's ok after breakin period
2013 5.0 I'm 74. I love it. Always had fast cars. But this one is to much for me. I drive safely, and love the power.
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The Mustangs First Flaw is usually its drivers. :P :D
PhantomHT1320 you are not wrong
and thebsuspension IF we can believe this video
None of f s550 v8 powered gt's have open differentials or solid axles. All gt's have torsion lock differentials and independent rear suspensions. Get your facts straight
dtimboggs all 2011+ Mustangs come with it lsd standard, only track packs/ performance pack are torsion
dtimboggs and the solid rear axle wasn't replaced until 2015. Only one with independent suspension before 2015 was the 2001 cobra
Then it must be the dumbass drivers
dtimboggs but they are still slow around the track🤷🏿
R0T4RY is love Every SVT cobra from 99-04 had IRS
There's only one flaw with the mustang.
Jackasses who are behind the wheel, think they're race car drivers in their street cars.
Everyone thinks there race car driver 😂😂 not only mustang drivers
@@realone2321 *they're...As in everyone thinks they're smart...but aren't.
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Offering an overpowered car in a chassis not designed to safely harness that power for regular drivers is a flaw. But Ford doesn't mind as long as they sell many of these to countless of fools.
It’s not the cars fault! It’s the people driving the cars fault
Megabenjamin Bullshit. Ford has been killing people since the pinto
Snake_Venom212215 The mustang foxbody is based off the pinto, do your research bud.
Snake_Venom212215 Obviously un talking about the fox body
Snake_Venom212215 Mustangs have been falling behind in safety ever since.
Well I seen people who can actually drive mustangs its just that most people who have them can't handle the horse power
This video has so much wrong information. 1:31 Original video shows the driver purposely sending the car into a sideways slide because the brakes were completely gone(brake fluid completely boiled). Hence, the "WE SAVED IT."
The picture is of the GT350, which has multi-link (independent) rear suspension which is supplemented by a magnetic system that monitors the road and adjusts every 7 milliseconds, a limited slip differential, and the rear axle is split due to the independent multilink suspension. It also has an analog switch to turn off the traction control systems, so all of the points are mute when it comes to the vehicle pictured in the thumbnail. The GT350 is one of the best cars I've had the pleasure of owning and one of the best handling cars I've ever driven (Its handling is on par with the BMW M4 and Porche GT3), do not let someone who did not take the time to properly educate themselves on the car that they are using as the thumbnail tell you which car is more dangerous than another. At the end of the day all cars are dangerous and lethal. Some are just more difficult to control and take more experience to handle.
Well said bro
Lol it’s nowhere close to either of those two cars
The "problem" is cheap power, that means inexperienced drivers can get them easily.
Zecrid no bud. The problems have been addressed in the video.
Cheap power for the unwashed masses? Hardly, I remember a story about a Dentist who bought a 911 Turbo back in the day when that car was basically unsafe to drive at the upper limit, he immediately went out and managed to kill himself, he was going too fast, let up on the gas in the middle of a hard freeway exit turn, the rear end came around, he lost control and died in the crash. His family sued Porsche claiming he should of been trained to drive that car before taking ownership. You see affordability has little to do will skill levels, a rich man can crash a fast car as well as a regular guy.
Zecrid no, you can tell when a car loses control of car feom power, it is much more left,right,left,right movement. This looks like they barely can even fix it
Great tips, thanks for the warnings. I am a new GT owner and though I do not race or show off it is good to know what my limitations are.
All V8 Mustangs have had limited slip differentials since the late 80s at least.
Too bad most Keiths and Karens out there buy the V6 version because they just want to look cool
@@CHURCHISAWESUM Well, I don't think the non-V8 cars look too cool. But, let's be honest, without those people buying the lower-performing versions, the Mustang would be priced more like a Vette. I think those of us who own V8 Mustangs owe a little debt of gratitude to those Keiths and Karens for subsidizing our passion.
You forgot the 5th flaw: Lack of driver mod
Ford should have really disabled that mod on the Mustang
I’ve had my traction control activate on its own when I was trying to pull out on the road. I didn’t lose control but it cut the power and couldn’t accelerate at all. I was just trying to pull out quick into heavy traffic and almost got rear ended because of it.
Traction control on a Toyota Tundra is dangerous. If you need the power to get out of the way and it senses any differential in tire speed, just bind over and kiss your ass goodby because the damned thing is going to cut the power to nothing. And to add insult to injury Tundras do not have a real limited slip, it is electronic and just adds brake pressure to the faster turning wheel. Yes I know I should have bought a real pickup truck.
Something tells me that driving responsibly will correct these issues. But I am no Mustang expert.
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Being responsible means not buying a mustang in the first place.
I actually learned a bit here, have always wondered why these cars loose it so damn easily. The only thing missing from this in my opinion is the "inexperienced driver" issue because no matter how great a car is built or what kind of stability control it has Johnny Just-Got-My-License can put the car in a ditch, pole or other fixed object.
1st problem is the DRIVER, I've had several stangs and never had a control issue expect one time in the snow at about 5mph. What you stated about solid/live rear ends shows you are a bit ignorant on how they work, IF they have a locker installed like say in the Saleens (I had a 97 S281), well a locker or limited slip rear end power is transmissted to BOTH tires equally, what you described when one wheel goes one way and the other the opposite is in the operation of a OPEN CARRIER DIFF, which are usually only found in the cheaper line of stangs as others like say the Cobras have limited slip. Thumbs down, not well thought out at all. The main issue is stupid drivers.
I love my mustang! I keep my bitch in control!💪 its not the cars, its the drivers..😏
randy vela tm YUP
supa goodz my dad had a 66,86 and a 2004 said it was always an accident to happened.
randy vela couldn't have said it better bro it's always the ppl that don't know how to drive. That's why they making driver less lol
Kareem Kirton for real.. I was raised up in Mustangs and my pops never wrecked his at all. Now I own one and love the power and handling. Ppl are just dumb!
Obviously what mustang owners say🙄
Disclaimer: No fox bodies were harmed in the making of this production.
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Those are the only mustangs i really like
Nah, but I was in high school with some guys that were just as bad. One got an 88 on Christmas Eve of 87. That night he hit the only tree in the middle of a 25 acre field... Later I found out he was really a Chevy man...
Best stangs ever made 87-93
You forgot the #1 Rule: people pushing a high horsepower car with light weight beyond their ability to control it.
Malfunctioning ESC? More like no ESC since the drivers turn it off before peeling out...theres no flaw with the Mustang, its the driver. People buy a pony car and think they're Steve McQueen.
Mike - Not to mention a number of the cars this idiot shows in his video don't *have* stability control.
Diamond Logistics Haha I'm 19 but I'm sure the majority of young car guys also know or have heard of McQueen, especially with the new iteration of the Bullitt Mustang that just came out
So if Mustang's fatal flaws are bad, then i guess Pencils miss spell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat. :P Of course all of those driver examples have an idiot with his foot on the floor. hehe.
It all would make sense to the guy that just said that live axles are all open carrier differentials LOL.
Cronopoly I hear you but, Ford tried to correct something we instinctively want to correct in that situation.
I just had to revisit this in 2024
When you were talking about the issue of the solid rear axle you showed the s550 which has an independent rear suspension....just saying.
Side note, the limited slip differential is on the majority of mustangs according to an article written by american muscle. Open differentials "can be found on base model V6 equipped Mustangs." In regards to limited slip "This is the bread-and-butter of Mustang differentials. The majority of Mustangs come equipped with a limited-slip type differential called Traction-Lok from Ford."
Ballislife And he showed a 60's era car when he talked about IRS and wheel hop. And he showed cars with limited slip when he talked about open differentials.
The whole video is a jab at Mustangs and it says more about him than it does about the cars.
Chris Daigle yup, if you’re gonna make a video like this at least do yourself a service and don’t allow your video to be picked apart so easily lol
Put a posi in it and it'll he fine
Chris Daigle yeah he's a wanker!
Yes most mustangs including the v6s came with limited slip. the only problem with limited slip is it doesn't work well. never has probably never will. The manufacturers have figured that out and added traction control so that when it detects wheel spin through the Wheel speed sensor it applies the brake to the over revving wheel to assist the limited slip to increase the power to the slower spinning wheel(sometimes both wheels) in order to regain traction.
Hi Modern Muscle, you forgot the fifth flaw, the 'nut' that holds the steering wheel.
glenitube and the 6th flaw in the team of engineers behind this car
Notice how modern muscle does not like the post that defend the mustang, i think he may be prejudice
obviously, if he does a video about fatal flaws of the challenger, i bet you he wont put that the engine can catch on fire
SHORT WHEELBASE - TOO MUCH POWER - Rear End breaks loose and you end up in the ditch or an Accident !
That's why I drive my '14 GT like a little old granny :D
C Estrada likewise
Because you don't know how to drive it?
Lol most of these flaws apply to older mustangs, you want the real reason? Because mustangs are the most accessible 2 door sports car with the most power, so the majority of people that buy it don't know how to handle it, then think they can act cool and show off because they can and wreak them lol the only problem with the mustang is the morons that buy it thinking their f1/nascar/drag/circuit drivers after a taste of power lol
Yep true. I’m 16 and I bought my Mustang GT for $3800. Not only are these cars cheap, but the parts are extremely cheap as well
Drake5153...soooo true
Good to know. I know Mustangs are known to lose control.. especially in turns, so I take turns easy. I have a 2014 so have the solid rear axle. I haven't had any trouble other than uneasiness in turns but knowing the issue ahead of time I personally tone down on power when I need to then accelerate out of a turn. I love my Mustang and wouldn't trade it for anything! B)
WEEE SAVEEEDD ITTT
Nathan Lewis ooof
Every single one of these captures looks like they are trying to save it, I say that loosely. Looks more like they never tried to brake at all when the s--t hits the fan.
but we couldn't save the need for speed movie mustang.... because it got flipped by a truck
Fatal flaws? Give me a break. Thus video is so full of mis-information; what a joke. Nothing fatal about the stability control, solid axle of older cars, or open diff. The cars in these videos clearly depict drivers who do not know what they are doing. Idiots keeping their foot in it when they need to just get off the throttle.
What about the wheel hop?
Not even professional drivers can make a mustang turn or stop, worst piece of crap ever built
Alexnator_200 - perhaps I do not understand your question, but wheel hop is a common occurrence on all solid rear axle vehicles with moderate to high horsepower. It is not a “fatal flaw”. That is why many muscle cars of the past ran traction bars. This is not exclusive to Mustangs. Anyone who knows, really knows how to drive a car can handle this.
Thank you for posting this. I hope to get either a late model (S550) Ford Mustang at some point, or possibly a classic Mustang; and it's good to know about any potential issues. Like many of the comments note, if you push a car hard, stuff's more likely to go wrong. Whenever I do end up getting my next car, I don't plan to ever take it racing or do burn-outs, so (fortunately) I'm not really too worried about what's in this video. I really feel bad, however, for all the guys in this clip who wrecked. Personally, it's almost physically painful seeing those nice Mustangs getting ruined.
Solid points but I still love my mustang.
sam smola I wouldnt say they're fatal issues though tbh. The solid rear axle for example is more of a nuisance than a danger unless you're taking a corner way too fast for the car in the first place. Nothing that a skilled driver can't handle.
Too many smart cars, way to many stupid people
As a mustang owner myself I know this to be true, I can handle a car very well but, sometimes the mustang can be very unpredictable especially while drifting, your in oversteer and all of a sudden the car tries to go straight, it's pretty annoying when it happens
Throttle control, Throttle control, throttle control. 90% of the time this comes down to the owners because they don't know when to let off the gas I have a 89 Camaro and I spin my tires all the time and the moment my rear end goes sideways I let off the gas and have never lost control this all comes down to user error and not knowing that you should stop with the gas so control can be regained.
Exactly. Rear wheel drive is easy to control.
You let off the gas and it grips all of a sudden. Will hit the brakes on the one back tire, now your front tires grip because you tried to correct the slide trying to keeping the nose straight. It’s shoots you straight sideways to were your front tires where turned. I found out first hand. Computer takes over and causes the crash instead of letting you do
It.
WRONG, LSD are prone to sudden rear axle grip loss on acceleration. Especially under wet conditions. An open diff will just spin the inside wheel instead. I had BMW's in the past with both configuration.
Absolutely correct. Open diffs _reduce_ oversteer and fishtailing, not cause them.
dieselscience open diffs tend to cause the car to snap oversteer which is unexpected and will end badly. I will never own another open diff car ever again due to this issue.. the lsd prevents sudden unexpected snap oversteer in most cases (assuming the clutches are in good shape)
I agree about posi rear ends causing more problems the a open rearends. With both tires spinning you have NO traction in the rear of the car. All it takes is a driver not being familiar on how to handle this condition and the car will swap ends in the blink of an eye. I spun my first posi car out because I gave it to much gas and ended up coming within a foot of hitting a house going sideways. Every car in your video has a posi rearend from what I can see.
Michael Wilkening - Exactly. Most likely not a single car shown had an open rear end. The poster of this video is an idiot.
ashemoski I'm not so sure. Those mustangs did a left-right-left fish tail spin out. That's exacly what my race mower did (grasscar, it's an actual sport). The thing liked to grip on one side and then the other and sometimes spin out (or in my case flip). I welded my diffs shut and now its so much better. I can even drift it safely at 35 mph while before even turning fast at 15 mph was a little sketchy unless it was paved.
I also have LSD on my RX-8, and it does a side-side jerk gripping in the wet, but nothing compared to my Mercedes with open diffs.
It may also be tied to the type of suspension and not just differentails.
A lot of these mustangs guys are so salty they can’t admit that an axle system is probably the worst type of rear end in relatively modern cars
Dear modern muscle blaming the car for the crash is like blaming the gun for the shooter. If somebody wants to put on big boy pants and drive a mustang then they should have 1) Have a brain in their head. 2) Some nuts in their sac. Driving a muscle car is not having to rely on cell phone advice or computers to replace SKILL. Note to log the camero and challengers have the same atritibutes but less power. So the next time you embarrass yourself in front of friends you can’t blame Microsoft .
The real flaw is the loose nut behind the wheel.
S.K.H. I didn't scroll down before commenting and I said the EXACT same thing! Lol
three of the cars you showed wrecking were independent rear end cars,not solid axles. All of those wrecks could have be avoided, if they lifted off the pedal and hit the break, you have to be able to feel the wheels spinning,some people can't do that.
Yeah,the biggest problem is usually the operator as it's a powerful car and the operator is inexperienced
Have had 5 Mustangs dating back to my 89 GT and now a 15 GT with supercharger. Most of what you see in these videos is driver inexperience though there are some valid points. My solid rear axle cars were easy to break free when accelerating in a turn which was a lot of fun (just had to pick the right place and time to do it - like not leaving a car meet). My 15 is the first with an IRS. It does suffer from wheel hop, something I never experienced with the solid rear axles. First time I ever ran into this was in a friends BMW M3. Good news is that there are after market parts (not very expensive) that help considerably but don't get rid of it completely.
The fatal flaw is the nuts behind the wheel...😮
I still say the main problem is the driver thinking they're invincible.
original flaw is idiot drivers over and over and over.....blaming the car???? ......yea right
Other than the malfunctioning traction control (which my mustang does not have at all) those things could be said about a lot of cars, design choices with pros and cons. I just think due to high sales volumes there are a lot of bad drivers trying to drive beyond there ability, which results in a lot of crashes. I suppose if you need a car to drive for you get a new Camaro or maybe a nice Camry.
The flaw is the non experienced driver behind the wheel.
Movies had pro drivers with specially tuned suspension setups!
Reaper5.56 Xx what’s this got to do with Steve ?! The drivers in THIS video are clearly not connected or know how to drive this type of car when it gets out of shape.
But how could someone SMART AND SAVVY ENOUGH TO BUY THE "BEST" NOT BE A FUCKING "RACE DRIVER" FROM BIRTH? ARE YOU SAYING A FUCKING 260-425 HP LOW-TORQUE, HIGH-RPM RWD "SPORTS CAR" SPECIFICALLY "TARGETED" ON "YOUNG MEN" WITH AT LEAST ENOUGH "SMARTS" TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THEM IS "BEYOND" THEIR CAPABILITIES? i THOUGHT MUSTANGS WERE "PONY CARS" AND SUCH FUCKING DREAM MACHINES TO DRIVE AND SO EASY TO DRIVE WELL AND ALL THAT OTHER FUCKING PROPAGANDA ASSCLOWNS LIKE YOU SPEW EVERYWHERE BUT WHERE YOU NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE PISS-POOR DESIGNED PIECES OF SHIT THAT WON'T '"GO STRAIGHT" WITH EVEN A FUCKING 260-HP SOHC "MOD MOTOR" UNDER THE HOOD? WHAT THE FUCK IS IT? DEATHTRAP OR DREAM MACHINE? AND WHY IN THE FUCK ARE YOU HEAR WATCHING THOSE "FOOLS" YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING FROM, PARNELLI? DON'T YOU HAVE SOME "PINKS" TO GO WIN OFF SOME "CAMARO GUYS"? YOU FUCKING POSER.
DEEREMEYER1 not a pozer here, I at least got to know the handling capabilities of my car it’s allot more powerful than the 260-420 or so that stated, It commands more respect. I don’t care if it’s a mustang or a corvette before you start showing off you need to know your car and YOUR limits.
You forgot the major flaw. Stupid drivers that think that because they have an expensive car that they now know how to drive.
I wish ford would fix this flaws
What's up with the Dodge Challenger at the end? Another pony car with all the same flaws. And the Camaro, same thing. But go ahead and pick on Mustangs with douchebags behind the wheel
Mike M the same way he found videos on mustangs you can find for Chevy and dodge lls
Mike M camaro dosent have these problems...its a certified track car ... mustang cant qualify cause of handling issues nd challengers have bicycle tires
True he only did this video because of the stigma when in reality all powerful cars are going to crash
He's dead wrong about the limited slip differential. According to Car & Driver all 2019 Mustangs have mechanical LSDs. Shelbys have Torsen LSDs. You know, the track cars, right YoungChevyBoi?
Mike M problem is these cars are missing there LS swaps😎
Nearly all of these are total myths. I've been working on Mustangs of nearly every era for almost 10 years and I've never run into the problem of electronic traction control turning on by itself. The whole reason you see a lot of drivers lose control is that they don't understand how to handle a car when the rear end breaks loose when they stomp on the gas harder than the situation calls for. Younger drivers generally don't get that electronic traction control can't save you 100% of the time when you're dealing with an engine that has that much torque. As for the solid rear on them - that is not a flaw, and with the current suspension setup you will never have an issue with energy transferring if you know how to fucking drive. They most definitely DO NOT handle poorly in sharp turns. Anyone who has EVER driven a Mustang made after the 80's can tell you that this isn't even remotely a problem. These are the most popular American car in Germany right now for a reason. They handle really well and deal with curves and corners better nearly all European cars of the same price range and many well over it (take POS BMW products for example). The only point that that I can give on here is that they do occasionally have wheel hop. Though I rarely run in to this problem on stock Mustangs. It almost always seems to be the vehicles which have been heavily modified by people who don't think things through very well.
Sounds like you own a mustang lol
You lost me at handles as well as European cars. A mustang? Really? Handles as well as a Porsche or bmw ? You definitely own a stang
2:42 It's an open slip or a limited slip.
Mustangs are excellent drift cars for a professional drifter.... Regular drag guys and ppl die in those things
Daniël Pretorius didn't say modified
I'm kinda curious what's your definition of a "regular drag guy"?
Also electricity is inherently dangerous but when used properly is perfectly safe, as are passengers cars when used as designed.
theres another way but some people wont seek it mustang is garbage
“A man has to know his limitations”... and it’s also wise to know his car’s limitations too.
I think we have examples of both in the film.
SRA Mustangs suffer from snap oversteer. Let's say you pitch it sideways around a corner. You have a little too much angle & you get scared. In panic mode the first reaction is to let off the throttle. That's when the car snaps into a drift to the other direction, especially since the wheel is already turned that way. To save it, decrease throttle until you start to lose angle, then floor that btch and don't let off until you're spinning in a straight line. Let it fishtail, but whatever you do, do not let off until you're going straight. This can be fixed with some suspension mods
Gotta have that limited slip!!!
necstanunn most of them do. The only ones that don’t are the V6s
Limited slip is more likely to slide sideways, as both rear tires can spin rather than just one. With one tire spinning, and one just sitting there doing nothing, it is nearly impossible to get sideways, even intentionally.
Every single 2011 and up mustang has a LSD, which was all that was included in this video basically. Open diff doesn't cause you to lose control lol, dude didn't even research before he posted.
I got the ford 9” attached to a c3 that’s attached to a high compression 460
grant johnson
With out LSD you would never get a good launch or even a good burn out , drop the clutch on a non LSD and you don’t go anywhere with just that one tire spinning . Forget about snow , rain or even towing w/o an LSD
I think the biggest problem is the drivers not necessary the car
And ford still had yet to fix this🤦🏽♂️
I'm still gonna be a mustang guy haha
_original_ toxic_ me too !
Gilbert Verhoeff hell yeah nothing screams more American that mustang lol I just love muscles
Exactly!
sorry for your loss
*girl
stop doing burn outs. simple
Anything brother. My favorite car is mustang.✈ Mustang wants super drivers.
Combine that with ignorance and yep. FATAL. Good video man👍👍👍
A lot of these videos have nothing to do with these "issues" you're listing, the issue is a lightish car (compared to it's competitors) and quite a bit of horsepower. The stability control does turn off, but most don't know how too, and just turn the traction control off, which causes the car to snap sometimes.
Plus that video of the GT500 on the track, had nothing to do with any stability control issues or anything like that, it was a brake failure and their only option was to spin it and hope it stopped; which it obvious did.
Just learn to drive and set up you're suspension ! Why even have all the traction and stability control ? If you know how to drive you buy a turner and have that stuff shut off permanently .
A young man died in a race comp in Perth yesterday. Car was diving over 200km as a 1000m drag. Lost control and rolled it. Damn mustang.
Thank you. I was wondering why my 2016 rolled to one side with the weight on the passenger side. Thank God I was able to control the car and keep it from going anywhere.
Ford is jeep of the car world, or jeep the ford. Basicly how cheep can they produce it. No no no, don’t redesign the steeringc death wobble is a trademark and so is spinning out, so don’t change the rear end either, just the shell, call it a fordable Shelby
Would love to see a Fatal flaw video on the challengers because those cars truly have them lol
These so-called flaws the author of this video suggest where apparent in all makes and models of American muscle cars for their respective years. It's not the car, it's the inexperienced driver.
Is there anything I should watch out for in my 2000 mustang gt, should I watch out for all these things
I’ve owned 3 mustangs all high end performance models and they are wonderful cars. This is what happens when you push a stock car and a novice beyond their limits. Enjoy all your videos even the slightly campy ones. Keep em coming. (Unfortunately There’s no life guard in the gene pool for careless driving)
P Mac lol performance mustangs has limits ... no wonder they are so slow aroung the track compared to its competitors
YoungChevyBoy605 - agreed-I had 2 Saleens and just picked up a 2018 GT 350. Love the cars but they are hard to control compared to my ZL1.
Reason: Cuz shit Driver, Chassis, and Live rear axle, and bad electronics.
I had 3 friends who got a mustang and clowned me for getting a Lancer. I’m laughing now as they all totaled their shit
Mitsubishi Lancer
Also I may add that the proper place at the proper time.... save up and go to the track or strip if you wanna learn. Sheesh.
Learned a lot from this video, Thanks Man!
Eriksson Shamoon unfortunately, just because it's on UA-cam doesn't make it fact.
Nothing he said was wrong.
Some of it was.
Hopefully you learned that idiots who can’t drive are the problem.
@@StarlightTrail3 but before that was not a problem and now it is it means that today's drivers are used to cars full of assistance when it is done in the old school
maybe ford should fix it
great break down and explanation.
Would have been nice if you included how this was fixed in the S550 model.
Was it fixed i heard it wasn't fixed until 2017
I totaled my 2015 😢 i want a 2019 thoe@@millzinc3
An open differential with stability control is a dangerous combination. I have an ls400 with an open differential (albiet irs) and it was raining and I was going around a corner to go on the on ramp for the highway and my rear end broke loose. Naturally I steered to correct it, but when the brakes automatically applied, the weight shifted to the other side violently, now making me lose damn near all control of the car. Now I just drive without traction and stability control on.
I had a ls400 about 4 years ago. Was a tank but it sucked at handeling. My navigator handles way better then my ls400 did
Mario L oh it's crazy. The suspension is too soft be any good which is a shame. Apparently car and driver got .89 g in their tests with an ls400. Idk how but they did. I got 344k miles on her. She isn't fuel efficient but she is indestructible
NatoriousGamePlay yes horrible on gas but my navigator gets 8 in the city and about 15-16 hwy so the ls400 is better. I'd did own it when gas was almost at $6 a gallon so it was expensive. Probably more expensive then my navigator right now. It's hard to get explain the ls400 handeling. Its very easy to get loose and drift and was 50/50 weight distribution so it was very easy to control once the rear end got loose. It had good shitty handeling. If that makes any sense. The steering has barely any road feel but you can have fun with TC off in one
NatoriousGamePlay how's he rack and pinion? Seems like the power steering is the weak points of ls400s everything else is bullet proof.
Mario L yeah power steering apparently was an issue Toyota just had in the 90s. Mine has a very slow leak, so I just ignore it till it's time to top up, which is every few months.
And this car just needs headers and a faster transmission. Bit slow to shift, and it just runs out of steam up top. But traction is off with a simple push of a button. It's so nice.
If only an lsd existed, I would go out and drift much more. I might get poly sway bar mounts and coilovers some day. That should fix the handling. It's fairly direct, just too much roll and no feeling.
I own at least one Stang from each generation, you can eliminate all problems with after market up grades
I've owned three GT Mustangs, including my current 2018 and the rear ends tend to spin or slide when you accelerate. It's something all Mustang drivers should to be aware of. Luckily, I've been able to maintain control the times it has snapped on me and avoid any incident.