I wonder if they'll HD Remaster Prime 2 Echoes and Prime 3 Corruption at somepoint either before or after this game comes, especially if Prime 4 surpasses Nintendo expectations for it.
If they ever make cooler suit designs than the Dread ones (in my opinion) then I'll be blown away. That being said, I love that this new Prime varia suit is close, while not being unrecognizable as a Prime suit
I don't know, I kind of adore the space opera vibe that I get from the new Samus jingle. It kind of just works. I don't find it putting out that somber of a tone, more of a soaring angelic theme as if a beacon of hope just landed on a dark and war-torn world. It's definitely different, but I personally love it.
Meh, this isn't right in my opinion. I always considrerd the suit being part of Samus, not a thing to wear. Besides, what about the realistic proportions of the morphball? If she can become an energy ball, then she can also have her shoulders being big balls, right?
The way I describe the Prime 4 Varia Suit is that they took the proportions from dread and aesthetics from Echoes, and married them together to create the perfect Prime-era Varia Suit.
I really appreciate how Dread and now Beyond are making Samus’s suits feel more human and believable while still maintaining the iconic look and badass design. Before, Samus’s suits seemed to obscure the person in them, while now they really do look like a very tall woman could wear them.
This is pure speculation, but i think a fun gimmick to use in a future prime game could be suit switching. Add stackable beams, but have there be multiple suit upgrades with different effects that you collect. Have the hud change colour as a visual indicator. Something like gravity giving an extra jump, varia giving elemental resistances, light suit being used to navigate dark rooms, so on and so forth.
Prime 4's trailer was SO GOOD, it's what convinced me to finally give Metroid a proper shot. So far I've beaten Prime 2, beat most of Prime, and am waiting for my used copy of Prime 3 to arrive. I dunno if I'll like the 2D games as much, but man it feels good to fall in love with a new classic series.
I started with the trilogy but If you give the 2d games a shot I promise you'll love it. My recommendation is Zero mission AM2R Super Metroid Metroid fusion Metroid Dread Trust me they're worth your time and they're not too long either
Is it bad that, now that we are actually getting mainline Metroid games, I kinna wanna see a port of Federation Force? Or better yet, a sequel with an art style that better fits the tone of the series.
I've been saying it a while now, the biggest mistake with Federation Force was the timing. We were in a metroid drought of 5 years at that point and the most recent entry was extremely divisive. I remember watching what was either a direct or e3 presentation and seeing the trailer and thinking "are you people serious, this is what you're giving us?" Ever since Echoes showed us the Federation Marines, I have always wanted a spin off where you play as Federation troopers in the style of the Prime games, sort of like Star Wars Republic Commando if you're familiar. My personal biggest gripe with that game is the art style. Going from the Prime games which were serious and semi-realistic with vicious creatures (and some blood as well) to a cartoony, unserious, goofy, chibi looking style made me reeeaally irritated. I still would like to see a Federation Force type game with squad based gameplay that kept the visual style of the Prime games. I really want to experience what kind of experience an average trooper goes through. With how badly they screwed up the first time though I doubt they'd try again, but who knows.
You’re the most detailed Metroid UA-camr. Literally I’ve been waiting for you specifically to analyze this trailer. Thanks for the awesome amount of time you put into this. Keep it up!
This is the most detailed analysis of this trailer I’ve ever seen. Seriously, you did a great job picking up on the most minutiae details that weren’t in other videos
I feel like the wormhole thing has to exist. If you look at the logs in Prime 3 on the GFS Valhalla, the logs say that the events of Aether happened 5 decades ago but doesn't specify when Samus showed up. It said the same for Tallon IV (5 decades), but she showed up a few decades after the planet got infected with phazon.
I really enjoy how much you delved into the trailer. You looked into every nook and crammy. And it all paid off. Bringing a great video that everbody should watch for these details u highlighted.
This is exactly the kind of video I've been wanting to see for Beyond, stellar job. I absolutely cannot wait for this game to drop, if I could tell my 15 year old self that we'd be getting another Prime game 18 years later I'd shit a brick 😂
Another thing is I have given the Pirate destroyer a class name: The Brigantine class Destroyer. I chose this cause in the Age of Sail, Brigantines (as well as Brigs) were commonly favoured as pirate vessels, this was because they had a decent cargo capacity and weapons complement but also they are incredibly agile and fast for their size being essentially the Destroyer type vessel of the age of sail.
To note about the top exit of the gunship, the gaps in the plating atop the ship in Prime 3 looks like it can open for entry/exit. It seems to be used when the ship is NOT touching down/landing, whereas the elevator hatch underneath is used when the ship is landed, since the platform doubles as part of the landing gear, akin to the shrouds around the guns. As a side note, I think it'd be neat if we got to actually use the functions seen in Prime 3 while in the cockpit. Maybe piloting the ship ourselves for a bombing/strafing run, or getting to play around with the ship grapple.
I have to wonder if Prime 4 could be a more open world Metroid like the OG Metroid was and Prime 3 was initially planned to be. I wouldn't be opposed to it. If you're gonna bring back Prime, I feel like it shouldn't be just another standard affair. This game needs to reinvigorate Prime like Dread did the mainline series. (I know Dread isn't open world; that's not the point I'm making.)
They said it was going to focus on one planet so who knows. But I have also heard that it's going to be very stealth based and isolated like how Dread was..
I wonder if the color change of the visor at the end could be a return to Beam Switching in MP1 and that this time when you switch beams all the colors on the suit change to the beam color. Like maybe the pink/purple look could mean she is currently using something like Wave Beam.
Happy Pride Month! 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ I'm crazy excited as I've just found out you can play Metroid Prime Trilogy in VR w/ Dolphin and my younger self pre-cracked self never DREAMED I'd get to transition AND STEP INTO THE POWER SUIT MYSELF! Gonna replay the whole Trilogy in VR to get myself prepped for Prime4!
@@thebrowniecokegamer I've looked into getting it on quest 2 and sadly it seemed to need a vr capable pc last I checked :( Pretty sure it is free though
Great vid! Thank you, Guy! Such an interesting take on the look of the new Varia suit. You are so right that it looks like the proportions of a top-quality cosplay, in the best way. It actually looks real, which is so cool! I hadn’t connected that until watching this.
12:34 ngl, those big doors make me wonder if the mechs from FF return. I don't think they would play a huge role in the game, but maybe you see them get destroyed during the battle, just to show how dangerous the pirates and/or Sylux are in this game. It would also just be cool fanservice to see those guys in a more "realistic" Prime graphic style.
I'd be more for the Gravity suit "feature" if they had an in universe explanation for the change. I'd even accept a very basic "it's just a partial activation to save power". BUuut I'd much prefer a Dread or SR style redesign where the Gravity Suit has it's own design. But if they do bring it back, it's probably because they want Samus to feel less "start with nothing", but also want to keep her iconic look.
Ima be real with you, the jingle? Doesnt really sound sad or somber to me, it gives me mroe "a return" vibes then anything else, it sounds like its saying: "the LEGENDARY bounty hunter samus aran finally returns" Like it feels like it was specifically made for this reveal, just to hype up samus, i dead ass don't know where you're getting the somber vibes, either way good video.
25:19 That's not what physicists say at all, Black Wholes and wormholes are different things, Wormholes are basically just an idea, lf what would happen if a black hole connected to a whitehole (and white holes can't actually physically exist)
No way they're bringing back a Gravity Feature, I don't believe it for a second. No one liked that, and Samus has had the Gravity Suit in multiple games since then. I don't think it's ever coming back. This is something new
My theory for the jingle is that it will be different depending on context. I mean, there's "Yeah! Samus is here!" that we're so used to. But what if this time around, the jingle progresses from this minor key to something more uplifting as we progress in an area?
I'm a new subscriber as of today after seeing your shorts on the various suit designs (dread was my first and only game I've played in the series) but I can instantly tell how much effort you put into the video. While I won't be playing beyond myself as I just can't get into first person games I will say that this one looks stunning and I'll definitely have to watch a playthrough of the main 4 prime games to catch up on the lore.
@@groudonor12 I don't, Think about it this would allow new suits to take hold much like the Gravity Boost from MP2E and give us the colored highlights that were so unfortunately missing on the Gravity in Dread
My theory for the Samus Jingle sounding the way it does probably has do with the time placement of Prime 4 taking place the time gap between Super Metroid & Fusion. Like Other M.
I'm impressed. I honestly didn't think someone could find even more details in this extremely short trailer, but I still learned 3 or 4 new things. Great job.
My question is what design they'll use for Zero Suit Samus: the version of her they remastered based on the original Metroid Prime, or the post-Zero Mission design that Corruption was based on.
I can't wait to see the new suits she's gonna get, my favorite is the light suit since it looks so slick and elegant but I hope one from this game can dethrone it, also I really really really want there to be dedicated beams like prime 1, prime 3 felt wrong with them being just slight upgrades and I really hope they go all out on creativity, we've seen enough wave, ice and plasma beams, same for gravity suit, something fresh and new would make this game even more impacting
I hope they never bring back beam switching. It’s such an inherently clunky mechanic. Takes away all the flow from combat. Switching between missile types was always better anyways.
There should be some new weapons systems if the UI is anything to go of, so even if they aren't beams at least there should still be one way to choose different shooting mechanisms in real time.
1. 20X9 I believe the X is 2. I start off with the date, 2000 or 2003. Either is fine. This is when the Galactic Federation is established. Again, for me, either date works because if Samus is 3 in the manga, and 2000 is now 2003, I can think of Samus being 3 when the Federation was established. This leaves little room for 20X5 to be anything beyond 2. Samus would be 25 during this year, when coincides with her young appearance. Thus, 20X5 is 2025. This also works because shortly after the Federation was established, space pirates attacked. K-2L is one of those places. I am aware that fans might use the timeline developed by Metroid Database, and although you go with the 2080s, MDb has used 2075, partly because of Admiral Dane's presumed age (he is an admiral), the rumor that he was raised by space pirates, and because for the one who developed this, 2075 just sounds cool. (It does, but I disagree with X being 7.) Here is a detail they mention. "The rumor surrounding Fleet Admiral Dane would not have existed if Space Pirate raids had not been occurring while he was a child." This can be easily addressed. The term "space pirate" can simply be a more recent term that originated in, say, 2003. Prior to that, the term wouldn't be part of colloquial speech. This doesn't mean the organisms themselves, the Urtraghus, didn't exist. They could have orphaned Admiral Dane, and were then later called space pirates. Kihunters are called space pirates as well, but they're from a different galaxy. They were only given such name by association. Anyway. 2. Samus' fanfare I am with you on Samus' fanfare. I am not a fan of it, much less with the music I have heard so far. (The space pirate theme, however, is pretty cool, as always.) The fanfare sounds too, I don't know, ecclesiastical. Add a pipe organ while they're at it. Then there's the closing theme of the trailer, which is much too like an RPG. I certainly don't get any Metroid atmosphere from it. We'll see what the OST is like when it's out, however. Hopefully there are some more Metroidy themes. 3. Shout out and Metroid II Hey! Hahaha! I wasn't expecting a shout out! Much appreciated! When I first saw Samus' barrier suit, it really stood out to me, and it had me look back at some previous art designs. Metroid II stood out, and the 30 missiles also reminded me of the game's starting amount. I don't know if Beyond will be making references to previous Metroid games, but if time traveling is involved, it would be a nice touch to throwbacks. 4. Galactic Federation Research Facility location That planet being Aether would be interesting, but I couldn't imagine it being a planet being overtaken by the Federation. It would come of as insensitive and careless, given the Luminoth already had 50 years of hell with the Ing. I am hoping Beyond will take place on Cylosis, however. It would be a bummer to know of this planet and its association with Sylux, only for it not to be the planet Samus visits. 5. Super Metroid title screen Now that is a cool catch. I'm telling you, I hope we get throwbacks, given the potential nature of temporal mechanics. And those holograms are a pretty good catch as well. I haven't heard anyone say anything about those. 6. Power suit design I really like this new design. I have been a proponent of having the power suit look more realistic. Samus doesn't look top-heavy. Her waist is more realistic. Her pauldrons are smaller, which no longer obstructs her peripheral vision.
anyone else remember those debates where they said all metroids are dead because phazon is gone. seems they forgot what evolutionary monsters the metroids are.
To be honest, I rewatch the trailer just to listen to the Space Pirate theme Edit: I was screaming like a little girl when Prime 4's trailer started and with the text showed up and then Samus's entrance
real shame they did not bring back some of the staff that made the OG trilogy that left, cause they would have loved to work on this. also i hope this game does not turn into another Halo 4 which completely sent the franchise into a downward spiral.
@@shadowdragonx07 not all of them, they are missing some of the OG crew E.G. Jack Matthews for example left after the Prime Trilogy (the all in one package) came out. they had expressed if they had the chance they would have loved to have worked on the project with newer and old staff.
Big agree on missiles feeling too weak without rapid fire. I loved going rambo with the missiles in the 2D games and not buffing normal missiles to account for that or giving super missiles guarantees they’ll become irrelevant to enemies that aren’t immune to beams
Didn't even think about it until now but man if they really do tinker with time travel theres A LOT of old/gold bosses and places they could revisit, like Metroid Prime/Dark Samus. I would only want that stuff to be small cameo like ofc but I wouldn't mind it at all. If anything i hope this whole time travel thing possibly sets up future game(s), maybe since the tone is so ominous with this Sylux will succeed in whatever it is he's doing and Samus will have to go on an Avengers like time travel quest over the course of multiple games to finally stop him, making Sylux the big bad of multiple games going forward like Dark Samus/Metroid Prime. That or Sylux becomes the next Metroid Prime himself since he's so obsessed with them. This game taking place after Super Metroid and possibly even after Dread is so interesting and cool. Also love the Obi Wan Hello there at the beginning of the video lmao. Great content man i just found your channel, im a big Metroid guy myself👍🏻
If they make it a cross release, I hope that the enhancements are either built into the cartridge and will activate on Switch 2, or there will at least be an update exclusive to Switch 2. I also LOVE the way her suit looks now.
That cosplay comment, exactly what I was thinking. The, uhhh, supernova device... Event Horizon doohickey... Purple because it reflects the gravity suit, gravity which would be needed for time travel. Just a thought. Curious about the controls for the game, and more-over the missile select. I think each direction would have a selection of it's own, like; Up would be beam selection, Left for missile selection, Right for grapple beam and other accessories, and down for aeon abilities or something. Hold to select, tap to activate/deactivate. Well, I'm excited to play either way. Thanks for the video!
Man its great to see so many others that love Metroid this much. Metroid Prime is one of the best games ever made imo. The first Metroid prime is my favorite videogame of all time and metroid is my favorite game series with Prime games at the top of the list. Prime 4 looks absolutely incredible and this video is an EXCELLENT analysis of the footage we have access to so far. The music is something im very curious about and i had the same kind of feeling as you did upon hearing the jarring odd version of the "Samus emerging" music. I adore the music from the Prime games and still have and listen to CDs i burned as a kid of all my favorite tracks. I left the outdated CD player in my car specifically to be able to listen to my old CDs i burned of videogame music and the only surviving recording of me and the keyboard player from my high school era rock band playing some medleys of Prime 2 echoes music. The title screen theme, Torvus Bog and a terrible attempt of trying to shred the sanctuary fortress theme on guitar 😂. Anyways... awesome video man. Ill watch as many you can make, keepm comin
33:45 I think it's possible this shot just features a lower-poly model to save on resources during the cutscene, since Samus is so far away. Though that doesn't explain the pink visor one bit.
@@Crafty_boy70 I was just watching his shorts when this came on to my feed, and he mentioned I don't hate green but you'll never believe me in one of his reviewing Metroid power suits videos. So I thought it kind of be a so I thought it would be a little funny to mention it
For the Federation Emblems, I can see one being a wider use emblem among the Federation armed forces, while the ones from Prime 2 and 3 is a specific branch, such as Marines/Space Force/Navy/what ever they call it.
Side note. I'm pretty sure you're aware of it but you, and most other analysies I've seen, didn't bring it up. The game not only takes place after Super Metroid but also after Other M as that is implied to be only a few weeks after Super, given what Samus says in the opening narration. This can have some interesting story potential as I always assumed the reason why Sylux hates the Federation is because he was subject to experimentation under the corrupt and power hungry 'ringleaders' . Now that Samus had to deal with them as well (even if it wasn't the worst of it yet) makes me wonder if that could be used to set up a new kind of dynamic now that Samus actually understands where Sylux's hatred is coming from.
As you said, it'd be cool if the Charge Beam got upgrades, but I like the new look. It looks more condensed and precise. I love that such a small sphere of energy has a large explosion (you can analyze the explosion frame by frame to get a feel for it). I would like to see the arm cannon expand more with the charge, though. Also, I love that "but it's good" part, haha. Yeah, the updated suit looks amazing. I'm indifferent about whether or not I'd like the Gravity Feature in this game because I know we'll get new suits. Perhaps the new suits will integrate the Gravity Feature technology, similar to an artificial gravity switch in other sci-fi stuff. Lastly, as much as I dislike it in Other M, I can pass it off as an inferior version of the Gravity Suit, like the Spin Boost is to the Space Jump. But who knows? It might not even be the Gravity Feature. Anyway, this was a fun video to watch. I get the feeling you had fun making and editing it. 👍 I wish I had more input, but my head isn't operating at maximum efficiency at the moment. I liked the things you pointed out and the comparisons you made.
The Samus’s model looks like it’s a modified version of the MP3 Varia, where it was much more anatomically “accurate”. I personally didn’t like it then and don’t like it now. I prefer the very exaggerated and bulky MP1/Remastered Varia. Loved those oversize shoulder generators and the general smoothness. It’s the classic Samus silhouette. She now looks more like a real person cosplaying as Samus, rather than Samus herself. And takes away from the grandness and powerful presence that she had, in my opinion. The environments look sort of bland, vacant and plastic-like. And the final environment at the end, the rainforest/jungle, is uncomfortably reminiscent of something we’d see in Other M. Maybe it’s the saturation of colour, and it’s lacking a colour filter as many worlds in the Prime games had. Sylux looks fantastic. Really like his presentation and the textures. The music sounds amazing. Essentially and most notably in the final area. It still retains the classic MP1 atmospheric timbre, but has a far stronger melodic presence as opposed to just enhanced ambient music. My final thought which isn’t based on anything per se in the trailer, is that I hope the game keeps Samus alone and isolated as she normally is. I absolutely detested the constant presence of the Galactic Federation in MP3 and Other M. These are my thoughts. As critical as they are, they’re just my opinions. I’ve been a fan of the Metroid series for over twenty years, and want both the Series and this game to succeed.
Hilarious how you said the same thing he said about a Samus cosplay yet you two have completely different opinions on the suit. And the jungle seems purely focused on nature, Other M has plenty of metallic aesthetics surrounding Sector 1.
@@Leee275I guess it just comes down to personal preference. With the comment I made, I was referring to the over saturation of colour and small localised spots of high contrasting colour, to clarify.
@@robertwyatt3912I don’t think that’s true at all. The Prime 1/Remastered Power and Varia suits are very faithful to Return of Samus on the GB and Super Metroid, as well as the SA-X from Fusion. The MP4 Varia is closest in design and proportion to the MP2 & 3 Varia as well as Fusion suit, the latter of which was a _radical_ departure from the original design in terms of proportion and design. Thankfully, no suit designs reflect the original Metroid design, where it was heavily 70s and 80s steampunk inspired.
Maybe we'll finally be introduced to the Ylla, another super race known by both the Luminoth and Bryyonians and likely also the Chozo. Also, personally, I liked the gravity feature of Other M, but maybe that's just me.
Truthfully I hope that sylux is a clone of samus who has disguised her identity from her older "sister". With an identity crisis being the catalyst to her actions. I know its not gonna happen but i think it could be very well done. This could also be linked to new upgrades from sylux's suit if its a "copy" of chozo tech, or maybe samus intersecting upgrades ment for sylux and vise versa
My main worry is that we may see graphics downgrades like we saw with other titles because a lot of these early gameplay builds tend to have higher fidelity graphics while downgrading them come release for performance reasons. I personally don’t mind the new Samus arrival jingle too much, I think it is still hopeful sounding; doubly so now that it has this angelic sound to it; I just dunno about the implication of biblical connections to Samus is all, maybe it is a part of the game story or maybe not. The new Hud looks amazing, I think the health bar could be a little bigger, I can just see myself playing and lose track of my health because I was so focused on fighting. Lol
I'm hoping we get to see several Pirate species. I've always gotten the sense that the Space Pirates are an organization made of multiple/many species; MAYBE one VERY polymorphic species. But each game takes one design and sticks with it, differentiating them with armour only within that game. Other M even calls out the pirates as "Zebesians" for some stupid reason. Probably just to contradict established stuff as usual.
I agree with the suit design. And I do believe the purple lights are for opening portals. But, I think you can agree if they did do a Gravity Feature, DO WHAT HALO INFINITE DID WITH IT'S SPARTAN ENERGY SHIELDS! A semi transparent light with tiny shapes all around Samus. Not just a simple glow around the edges of Samus's suit.
That object they're transporting to me looks to have similar (if not the same) geometry to the purple Beyond logo. Idk maybe I'm crazy, but if you rotate it and put purple energy in there they seem really similar. My bet is that it energizes with purple energy and acts as the main plot device, perhaps even a portal generator to differing locations in time/space? ALSO the hologram displaying the object has a different angle which bears an even stronger resemblance to the Beyond logo object. ALSO ALSO you mentioned the resemblance to a black hole in the hologram depiction, and black holes are frequently equated with portals through time/space in theoretical physics. All of this to me seems to severely imply that the object they are transporting will be a device of this variety, and honestly I'm surprised that I haven't seen anybody make these connections.
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glad you ignored me for about twenty minutes to watch the trailer x
It'll be even when Silent Hill shows up next time dw
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I wonder if they'll HD Remaster Prime 2 Echoes and Prime 3 Corruption at somepoint either before or after this game comes, especially if Prime 4 surpasses Nintendo expectations for it.
The new suit feels like if Dread’s art direction used classic suit designs. Very good.
If they ever make cooler suit designs than the Dread ones (in my opinion) then I'll be blown away. That being said, I love that this new Prime varia suit is close, while not being unrecognizable as a Prime suit
I don't know, I kind of adore the space opera vibe that I get from the new Samus jingle. It kind of just works. I don't find it putting out that somber of a tone, more of a soaring angelic theme as if a beacon of hope just landed on a dark and war-torn world. It's definitely different, but I personally love it.
That's what I got too
It took me a while to warm up to, but I think it's pretty cool. It's just like an HD evolution in a way haha
Makes sense since Samus is basically the Galactic Federation’s guardian angel.
I've always pictured the Prime soundtracks having a choir of angelic Chozos singing to signify everyone that Samus has arrived to save the day.
I absolutely adore the proportions on this suit, it feels more like an actual person could wear it compared to the standard prime suit
Reminds me of the live action advertisements for the original prime game tbh
I'm a big fan of them too, but I'm so used to the previous proportions that it will take a little bit for me to get used to it lmao
It’s no doubt the most anatomically correct Varia Suit we’ve seen yet.
@@BaslightBatekeepBoybossSure, but the detached shoulders looked f*ckin' weird
Meh, this isn't right in my opinion. I always considrerd the suit being part of Samus, not a thing to wear. Besides, what about the realistic proportions of the morphball? If she can become an energy ball, then she can also have her shoulders being big balls, right?
The way I describe the Prime 4 Varia Suit is that they took the proportions from dread and aesthetics from Echoes, and married them together to create the perfect Prime-era Varia Suit.
Good video, honestly didn’t expect to learn anything new because so many people have done an analysis already, but this was pretty insightful
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I really appreciate how Dread and now Beyond are making Samus’s suits feel more human and believable while still maintaining the iconic look and badass design. Before, Samus’s suits seemed to obscure the person in them, while now they really do look like a very tall woman could wear them.
This is pure speculation, but i think a fun gimmick to use in a future prime game could be suit switching. Add stackable beams, but have there be multiple suit upgrades with different effects that you collect. Have the hud change colour as a visual indicator. Something like gravity giving an extra jump, varia giving elemental resistances, light suit being used to navigate dark rooms, so on and so forth.
Not a bad idea though for the whole suit to change I feel like that could be a tiny bit silly. I still like it haha
I think an issue there is that there's generally not much of a choice, you're just gonna need specific choices in specific situations.
Prime 4's trailer was SO GOOD, it's what convinced me to finally give Metroid a proper shot. So far I've beaten Prime 2, beat most of Prime, and am waiting for my used copy of Prime 3 to arrive. I dunno if I'll like the 2D games as much, but man it feels good to fall in love with a new classic series.
Definitely give Dread a go
I started with the trilogy but If you give the 2d games a shot I promise you'll love it. My recommendation is
Zero mission
AM2R
Super Metroid
Metroid fusion
Metroid Dread
Trust me they're worth your time and they're not too long either
Is it bad that, now that we are actually getting mainline Metroid games, I kinna wanna see a port of Federation Force?
Or better yet, a sequel with an art style that better fits the tone of the series.
I've been saying it a while now, the biggest mistake with Federation Force was the timing. We were in a metroid drought of 5 years at that point and the most recent entry was extremely divisive. I remember watching what was either a direct or e3 presentation and seeing the trailer and thinking "are you people serious, this is what you're giving us?"
Ever since Echoes showed us the Federation Marines, I have always wanted a spin off where you play as Federation troopers in the style of the Prime games, sort of like Star Wars Republic Commando if you're familiar. My personal biggest gripe with that game is the art style. Going from the Prime games which were serious and semi-realistic with vicious creatures (and some blood as well) to a cartoony, unserious, goofy, chibi looking style made me reeeaally irritated.
I still would like to see a Federation Force type game with squad based gameplay that kept the visual style of the Prime games. I really want to experience what kind of experience an average trooper goes through. With how badly they screwed up the first time though I doubt they'd try again, but who knows.
@@Rundas045 exactly
They can always just include a similar multiplayer mode for Prime 4
@jesusramirezromo2037 That would be awsome, but also a lot of work.
I agree.
You’re the most detailed Metroid UA-camr. Literally I’ve been waiting for you specifically to analyze this trailer. Thanks for the awesome amount of time you put into this. Keep it up!
This is the most detailed analysis of this trailer I’ve ever seen. Seriously, you did a great job picking up on the most minutiae details that weren’t in other videos
If there is a wormhole thing, I REALLY hope they bring “The Baby” back as an ally. Samus needs a pet lol.
The Baby could fight Sylux's two pet mocktroids while Samus and Sylux are busy fighting lol
@@KreshWCthe amount of money i would pay to see that lol
I feel like the wormhole thing has to exist. If you look at the logs in Prime 3 on the GFS Valhalla, the logs say that the events of Aether happened 5 decades ago but doesn't specify when Samus showed up. It said the same for Tallon IV (5 decades), but she showed up a few decades after the planet got infected with phazon.
We got the staff credits to Metroid Prime 4 before Metroid Prime 4.
About the color, I think it’s to just set the mood, there’s still lots of color in the scene after the title
Great analysis. I've watched so many of these but you've still managed to pick out things I'd not seen before.
I really enjoy how much you delved into the trailer. You looked into every nook and crammy. And it all paid off. Bringing a great video that everbody should watch for these details u highlighted.
This is exactly the kind of video I've been wanting to see for Beyond, stellar job. I absolutely cannot wait for this game to drop, if I could tell my 15 year old self that we'd be getting another Prime game 18 years later I'd shit a brick 😂
I've been waiting for this game since 2007 I'm hyped
No you weren't we didn't even know it existed
Another thing is I have given the Pirate destroyer a class name: The Brigantine class Destroyer. I chose this cause in the Age of Sail, Brigantines (as well as Brigs) were commonly favoured as pirate vessels, this was because they had a decent cargo capacity and weapons complement but also they are incredibly agile and fast for their size being essentially the Destroyer type vessel of the age of sail.
To note about the top exit of the gunship, the gaps in the plating atop the ship in Prime 3 looks like it can open for entry/exit. It seems to be used when the ship is NOT touching down/landing, whereas the elevator hatch underneath is used when the ship is landed, since the platform doubles as part of the landing gear, akin to the shrouds around the guns.
As a side note, I think it'd be neat if we got to actually use the functions seen in Prime 3 while in the cockpit. Maybe piloting the ship ourselves for a bombing/strafing run, or getting to play around with the ship grapple.
I have to wonder if Prime 4 could be a more open world Metroid like the OG Metroid was and Prime 3 was initially planned to be. I wouldn't be opposed to it. If you're gonna bring back Prime, I feel like it shouldn't be just another standard affair. This game needs to reinvigorate Prime like Dread did the mainline series. (I know Dread isn't open world; that's not the point I'm making.)
They said it was going to focus on one planet so who knows. But I have also heard that it's going to be very stealth based and isolated like how Dread was..
I wonder if the color change of the visor at the end could be a return to Beam Switching in MP1 and that this time when you switch beams all the colors on the suit change to the beam color. Like maybe the pink/purple look could mean she is currently using something like Wave Beam.
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I'm crazy excited as I've just found out you can play Metroid Prime Trilogy in VR w/ Dolphin and my younger self pre-cracked self never DREAMED I'd get to transition AND STEP INTO THE POWER SUIT MYSELF! Gonna replay the whole Trilogy in VR to get myself prepped for Prime4!
is it on metaquest 2 and is it free?
@@thebrowniecokegamer I've looked into getting it on quest 2 and sadly it seemed to need a vr capable pc last I checked :(
Pretty sure it is free though
Great video, very informative! Best analysis review on MP4.
Great vid! Thank you, Guy!
Such an interesting take on the look of the new Varia suit. You are so right that it looks like the proportions of a top-quality cosplay, in the best way. It actually looks real, which is so cool! I hadn’t connected that until watching this.
So happy to hear your thoughts on prime 4
Excellent analysis, my favorite one I've seen of this trailer by far!
12:34 ngl, those big doors make me wonder if the mechs from FF return. I don't think they would play a huge role in the game, but maybe you see them get destroyed during the battle, just to show how dangerous the pirates and/or Sylux are in this game. It would also just be cool fanservice to see those guys in a more "realistic" Prime graphic style.
I think a gravity feature could work as long as it exist because of any new suits we’ll get
I recently reheard the metroid hunters ost and even tho the guitar riff in sylux scene has nothing to do with his theme, it somehow feels.... Hunters
I'd be more for the Gravity suit "feature" if they had an in universe explanation for the change.
I'd even accept a very basic "it's just a partial activation to save power". BUuut I'd much prefer a Dread or SR style redesign where the Gravity Suit has it's own design.
But if they do bring it back, it's probably because they want Samus to feel less "start with nothing", but also want to keep her iconic look.
This was done so well! I also really appreciate how much credit you gave the Retro dev team; mad props!
I am also so happy to hear another person talk about wanting to scan everything! I was audibly saying that while watching the gameplay trailer
Ima be real with you, the jingle? Doesnt really sound sad or somber to me, it gives me mroe "a return" vibes then anything else, it sounds like its saying: "the LEGENDARY bounty hunter samus aran finally returns" Like it feels like it was specifically made for this reveal, just to hype up samus, i dead ass don't know where you're getting the somber vibes, either way good video.
I hadn't made the moch-troid connection before.
I'd imagine that they're going to look like a clone of Samus, but with one eye.
Killer review. Commenting for the algorithm gods
The "gravity feature" is actually a color bug dont worry about it
25:19 That's not what physicists say at all, Black Wholes and wormholes are different things, Wormholes are basically just an idea, lf what would happen if a black hole connected to a whitehole (and white holes can't actually physically exist)
No way they're bringing back a Gravity Feature, I don't believe it for a second. No one liked that, and Samus has had the Gravity Suit in multiple games since then. I don't think it's ever coming back. This is something new
My theory for the jingle is that it will be different depending on context. I mean, there's "Yeah! Samus is here!" that we're so used to. But what if this time around, the jingle progresses from this minor key to something more uplifting as we progress in an area?
i kinda wish that they wait and release it on newer hardware cause this game deserves all the graphical fidelity it can get
Bit off topic, but I love your new avatar's design.
I'm a new subscriber as of today after seeing your shorts on the various suit designs (dread was my first and only game I've played in the series) but I can instantly tell how much effort you put into the video. While I won't be playing beyond myself as I just can't get into first person games I will say that this one looks stunning and I'll definitely have to watch a playthrough of the main 4 prime games to catch up on the lore.
No pressure if you're set on not playing it, but I will say that the prime games don't really feel like first person shooters at all
I really hope if they do time travel it’s like back to the future’s and not a Zelda timeline split.
Hmmm no, it's going to be more akin to Echoes and we'll see the destruction caused by the Galactic Federation
It is possible that it is indeed a Gravity Feature in place of new suits but allow the same functions as gravity suits
I hate that
@@groudonor12 I don't, Think about it this would allow new suits to take hold much like the Gravity Boost from MP2E and give us the colored highlights that were so unfortunately missing on the Gravity in Dread
My theory for the Samus Jingle sounding the way it does probably has do with the time placement of Prime 4 taking place the time gap between Super Metroid & Fusion. Like Other M.
I'm impressed. I honestly didn't think someone could find even more details in this extremely short trailer, but I still learned 3 or 4 new things.
Great job.
My question is what design they'll use for Zero Suit Samus: the version of her they remastered based on the original Metroid Prime, or the post-Zero Mission design that Corruption was based on.
awesome vid, stoaked to play this and for your suit ranking shorts if you decide to continue them
I can't wait to see the new suits she's gonna get, my favorite is the light suit since it looks so slick and elegant but I hope one from this game can dethrone it, also I really really really want there to be dedicated beams like prime 1, prime 3 felt wrong with them being just slight upgrades and I really hope they go all out on creativity, we've seen enough wave, ice and plasma beams, same for gravity suit, something fresh and new would make this game even more impacting
I hope they never bring back beam switching. It’s such an inherently clunky mechanic. Takes away all the flow from combat. Switching between missile types was always better anyways.
There should be some new weapons systems if the UI is anything to go of, so even if they aren't beams at least there should still be one way to choose different shooting mechanisms in real time.
1. 20X9
I believe the X is 2. I start off with the date, 2000 or 2003. Either is fine. This is when the Galactic Federation is established. Again, for me, either date works because if Samus is 3 in the manga, and 2000 is now 2003, I can think of Samus being 3 when the Federation was established. This leaves little room for 20X5 to be anything beyond 2. Samus would be 25 during this year, when coincides with her young appearance. Thus, 20X5 is 2025. This also works because shortly after the Federation was established, space pirates attacked. K-2L is one of those places.
I am aware that fans might use the timeline developed by Metroid Database, and although you go with the 2080s, MDb has used 2075, partly because of Admiral Dane's presumed age (he is an admiral), the rumor that he was raised by space pirates, and because for the one who developed this, 2075 just sounds cool. (It does, but I disagree with X being 7.) Here is a detail they mention.
"The rumor surrounding Fleet Admiral Dane would not have existed if Space Pirate raids had not been occurring while he was a child."
This can be easily addressed. The term "space pirate" can simply be a more recent term that originated in, say, 2003. Prior to that, the term wouldn't be part of colloquial speech. This doesn't mean the organisms themselves, the Urtraghus, didn't exist. They could have orphaned Admiral Dane, and were then later called space pirates. Kihunters are called space pirates as well, but they're from a different galaxy. They were only given such name by association. Anyway.
2. Samus' fanfare
I am with you on Samus' fanfare. I am not a fan of it, much less with the music I have heard so far. (The space pirate theme, however, is pretty cool, as always.) The fanfare sounds too, I don't know, ecclesiastical. Add a pipe organ while they're at it. Then there's the closing theme of the trailer, which is much too like an RPG. I certainly don't get any Metroid atmosphere from it. We'll see what the OST is like when it's out, however. Hopefully there are some more Metroidy themes.
3. Shout out and Metroid II
Hey! Hahaha! I wasn't expecting a shout out! Much appreciated! When I first saw Samus' barrier suit, it really stood out to me, and it had me look back at some previous art designs. Metroid II stood out, and the 30 missiles also reminded me of the game's starting amount. I don't know if Beyond will be making references to previous Metroid games, but if time traveling is involved, it would be a nice touch to throwbacks.
4. Galactic Federation Research Facility location
That planet being Aether would be interesting, but I couldn't imagine it being a planet being overtaken by the Federation. It would come of as insensitive and careless, given the Luminoth already had 50 years of hell with the Ing. I am hoping Beyond will take place on Cylosis, however. It would be a bummer to know of this planet and its association with Sylux, only for it not to be the planet Samus visits.
5. Super Metroid title screen
Now that is a cool catch. I'm telling you, I hope we get throwbacks, given the potential nature of temporal mechanics. And those holograms are a pretty good catch as well. I haven't heard anyone say anything about those.
6. Power suit design
I really like this new design. I have been a proponent of having the power suit look more realistic. Samus doesn't look top-heavy. Her waist is more realistic. Her pauldrons are smaller, which no longer obstructs her peripheral vision.
33:26 “Remember me?”
I’d love to see Anthony Higgs get his own game.
anyone else remember those debates where they said all metroids are dead because phazon is gone.
seems they forgot what evolutionary monsters the metroids are.
I didn't even notice that the "Metroids" were actually Moc-droids and I'm mat at myself for missing this! also the Metroid Fusion PTSD is relatable.
To be honest, I rewatch the trailer just to listen to the Space Pirate theme
Edit: I was screaming like a little girl when Prime 4's trailer started and with the text showed up and then Samus's entrance
It's been 84 years....
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Thank you for all of your time. I hope getting to see prime 4 was enjoyable, and I really hope the day is good for you.
I personally hope that Sylux doesnt speak, let his actions speak for him
RAAAAAAAAH METROID
GENERAL METROID GUY, you are a bold one!
7:35 Four options could mean four missiles to pick from
- Seeker Missile
- Super Missile
- Ice Missile
- Normal Missile
real shame they did not bring back some of the staff that made the OG trilogy that left, cause they would have loved to work on this. also i hope this game does not turn into another Halo 4 which completely sent the franchise into a downward spiral.
WTF are chu btcing at prime 4s being made BY the vwy SAME ppl tat MADE the prime twiligy dult 😒
@@shadowdragonx07 not all of them, they are missing some of the OG crew E.G. Jack Matthews for example left after the Prime Trilogy (the all in one package) came out. they had expressed if they had the chance they would have loved to have worked on the project with newer and old staff.
@@Duke_of_Petchington chya suu tey fired a few peeps big deal fwom wth i heard some deserved it tbh 🙄
Big agree on missiles feeling too weak without rapid fire. I loved going rambo with the missiles in the 2D games and not buffing normal missiles to account for that or giving super missiles guarantees they’ll become irrelevant to enemies that aren’t immune to beams
This is becoming the Platinum age for Metroid games.
This video made me want to play this game so bad all of a sudden. Praying we can get prime 2 and 3 remastered before beyond comes out
The prophesy was spoken many years ago, and now is being fulfilled.
better late than never. and i dont mean the trailer. I mean your review of it, weeks later. lol
The reason they changed the jingle at the beginning is that it's way cooler, and epic.
Didn't even think about it until now but man if they really do tinker with time travel theres A LOT of old/gold bosses and places they could revisit, like Metroid Prime/Dark Samus. I would only want that stuff to be small cameo like ofc but I wouldn't mind it at all. If anything i hope this whole time travel thing possibly sets up future game(s), maybe since the tone is so ominous with this Sylux will succeed in whatever it is he's doing and Samus will have to go on an Avengers like time travel quest over the course of multiple games to finally stop him, making Sylux the big bad of multiple games going forward like Dark Samus/Metroid Prime. That or Sylux becomes the next Metroid Prime himself since he's so obsessed with them. This game taking place after Super Metroid and possibly even after Dread is so interesting and cool. Also love the Obi Wan Hello there at the beginning of the video lmao. Great content man i just found your channel, im a big Metroid guy myself👍🏻
Oh my god. They're actually doing it.
27:00 They better add the Speed Booster to this game and not scrapped like prime 1.
AM2R SOUNDTRACK MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥🔥
If they make it a cross release, I hope that the enhancements are either built into the cartridge and will activate on Switch 2, or there will at least be an update exclusive to Switch 2. I also LOVE the way her suit looks now.
I really hope we get a lot of cool new ships and lore, federation and pirate.
I've been waiting for this moment, for all of my life. Oh Lord.
That cosplay comment, exactly what I was thinking.
The, uhhh, supernova device... Event Horizon doohickey... Purple because it reflects the gravity suit, gravity which would be needed for time travel. Just a thought.
Curious about the controls for the game, and more-over the missile select. I think each direction would have a selection of it's own, like; Up would be beam selection, Left for missile selection, Right for grapple beam and other accessories, and down for aeon abilities or something. Hold to select, tap to activate/deactivate.
Well, I'm excited to play either way. Thanks for the video!
Man its great to see so many others that love Metroid this much. Metroid Prime is one of the best games ever made imo. The first Metroid prime is my favorite videogame of all time and metroid is my favorite game series with Prime games at the top of the list. Prime 4 looks absolutely incredible and this video is an EXCELLENT analysis of the footage we have access to so far. The music is something im very curious about and i had the same kind of feeling as you did upon hearing the jarring odd version of the "Samus emerging" music. I adore the music from the Prime games and still have and listen to CDs i burned as a kid of all my favorite tracks. I left the outdated CD player in my car specifically to be able to listen to my old CDs i burned of videogame music and the only surviving recording of me and the keyboard player from my high school era rock band playing some medleys of Prime 2 echoes music. The title screen theme, Torvus Bog and a terrible attempt of trying to shred the sanctuary fortress theme on guitar 😂. Anyways... awesome video man. Ill watch as many you can make, keepm comin
Worth the wait for the review. I just can't stand waiting for next year. But, I'm sure that too will be well worth the wait.
33:45 I think it's possible this shot just features a lower-poly model to save on resources during the cutscene, since Samus is so far away.
Though that doesn't explain the pink visor one bit.
We better be able to unlock the dread suit for having a dread save file.
Yayyy. Happy that the guy who hates green on samus is able to share his opinions
does he actually hate the green? I thought he just preferred blue.
@@Crafty_boy70 I was just watching his shorts when this came on to my feed, and he mentioned I don't hate green but you'll never believe me in one of his reviewing Metroid power suits videos. So I thought it kind of be a so I thought it would be a little funny to mention it
For the Federation Emblems, I can see one being a wider use emblem among the Federation armed forces, while the ones from Prime 2 and 3 is a specific branch, such as Marines/Space Force/Navy/what ever they call it.
I think I prefer the new charge beam look, the blue surrounding the yellow, and its smaller size makes it feel more concentrated
The absolute madlad made a 40 minute video on a 4 minute trailer
Side note. I'm pretty sure you're aware of it but you, and most other analysies I've seen, didn't bring it up. The game not only takes place after Super Metroid but also after Other M as that is implied to be only a few weeks after Super, given what Samus says in the opening narration.
This can have some interesting story potential as I always assumed the reason why Sylux hates the Federation is because he was subject to experimentation under the corrupt and power hungry 'ringleaders' . Now that Samus had to deal with them as well (even if it wasn't the worst of it yet) makes me wonder if that could be used to set up a new kind of dynamic now that Samus actually understands where Sylux's hatred is coming from.
I definitely should've explored the implications of that a lot more when I brought it up. That's worth a video of its own
X can be any number, it doesn't mean it's after Super
As you said, it'd be cool if the Charge Beam got upgrades, but I like the new look. It looks more condensed and precise. I love that such a small sphere of energy has a large explosion (you can analyze the explosion frame by frame to get a feel for it). I would like to see the arm cannon expand more with the charge, though.
Also, I love that "but it's good" part, haha. Yeah, the updated suit looks amazing. I'm indifferent about whether or not I'd like the Gravity Feature in this game because I know we'll get new suits. Perhaps the new suits will integrate the Gravity Feature technology, similar to an artificial gravity switch in other sci-fi stuff. Lastly, as much as I dislike it in Other M, I can pass it off as an inferior version of the Gravity Suit, like the Spin Boost is to the Space Jump. But who knows? It might not even be the Gravity Feature.
Anyway, this was a fun video to watch. I get the feeling you had fun making and editing it. 👍 I wish I had more input, but my head isn't operating at maximum efficiency at the moment. I liked the things you pointed out and the comparisons you made.
If this doesn’t become game of the year 2025, I don’t know what will.
Jeez November 😮💨
The Samus’s model looks like it’s a modified version of the MP3 Varia, where it was much more anatomically “accurate”.
I personally didn’t like it then and don’t like it now. I prefer the very exaggerated and bulky MP1/Remastered Varia. Loved those oversize shoulder generators and the general smoothness. It’s the classic Samus silhouette. She now looks more like a real person cosplaying as Samus, rather than Samus herself. And takes away from the grandness and powerful presence that she had, in my opinion.
The environments look sort of bland, vacant and plastic-like. And the final environment at the end, the rainforest/jungle, is uncomfortably reminiscent of something we’d see in Other M. Maybe it’s the saturation of colour, and it’s lacking a colour filter as many worlds in the Prime games had.
Sylux looks fantastic.
Really like his presentation and the textures.
The music sounds amazing. Essentially and most notably in the final area. It still retains the classic MP1 atmospheric timbre, but has a far stronger melodic presence as opposed to just enhanced ambient music.
My final thought which isn’t based on anything per se in the trailer, is that I hope the game keeps Samus alone and isolated as she normally is. I absolutely detested the constant presence of the Galactic Federation in MP3 and Other M.
These are my thoughts.
As critical as they are, they’re just my opinions. I’ve been a fan of the Metroid series for over twenty years, and want both the Series and this game to succeed.
Hilarious how you said the same thing he said about a Samus cosplay yet you two have completely different opinions on the suit.
And the jungle seems purely focused on nature, Other M has plenty of metallic aesthetics surrounding Sector 1.
This version of samus is much closer to her proportions in the 2d games
@@Leee275I guess it just comes down to personal preference.
With the comment I made, I was referring to the over saturation of colour and small localised spots of high contrasting colour, to clarify.
@@robertwyatt3912I don’t think that’s true at all. The Prime 1/Remastered Power and Varia suits are very faithful to Return of Samus on the GB and Super Metroid, as well as the SA-X from Fusion.
The MP4 Varia is closest in design and proportion to the MP2 & 3 Varia as well as Fusion suit, the latter of which was a _radical_ departure from the original design in terms of proportion and design.
Thankfully, no suit designs reflect the original Metroid design, where it was heavily 70s and 80s steampunk inspired.
@@arc7375It's a Prime game, in no way will that area feel like Other M during gameplay.
About there x in the date, who knows if x means the same number? Maybe super is in 2097, while Beyond is 2089?
NO, it's a confirmed fact that Super takes place in 20X7 STOP trying to shove in a date simply because you hear one statement 😑😑
Maybe we'll finally be introduced to the Ylla, another super race known by both the Luminoth and Bryyonians and likely also the Chozo.
Also, personally, I liked the gravity feature of Other M, but maybe that's just me.
Truthfully I hope that sylux is a clone of samus who has disguised her identity from her older "sister". With an identity crisis being the catalyst to her actions. I know its not gonna happen but i think it could be very well done.
This could also be linked to new upgrades from sylux's suit if its a "copy" of chozo tech, or maybe samus intersecting upgrades ment for sylux and vise versa
My main worry is that we may see graphics downgrades like we saw with other titles because a lot of these early gameplay builds tend to have higher fidelity graphics while downgrading them come release for performance reasons.
I personally don’t mind the new Samus arrival jingle too much, I think it is still hopeful sounding; doubly so now that it has this angelic sound to it; I just dunno about the implication of biblical connections to Samus is all, maybe it is a part of the game story or maybe not.
The new Hud looks amazing, I think the health bar could be a little bigger, I can just see myself playing and lose track of my health because I was so focused on fighting. Lol
Mate this is NOT Mario or Zelda, Metroid gets their shit together..
I'm hoping we get to see several Pirate species. I've always gotten the sense that the Space Pirates are an organization made of multiple/many species; MAYBE one VERY polymorphic species. But each game takes one design and sticks with it, differentiating them with armour only within that game. Other M even calls out the pirates as "Zebesians" for some stupid reason. Probably just to contradict established stuff as usual.
Pink colored visor?
Remember metroid other M when you were low health? All suit lights turned red.
Maybe Samus barely escaped something terrible
I agree with the suit design.
And I do believe the purple lights are for opening portals.
But, I think you can agree if they did do a Gravity Feature, DO WHAT HALO INFINITE DID WITH IT'S SPARTAN ENERGY SHIELDS! A semi transparent light with tiny shapes all around Samus. Not just a simple glow around the edges of Samus's suit.
That jingle... amazing.
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I hope there's some dogfighting between her gunship and the Delano 7.😎
That object they're transporting to me looks to have similar (if not the same) geometry to the purple Beyond logo. Idk maybe I'm crazy, but if you rotate it and put purple energy in there they seem really similar. My bet is that it energizes with purple energy and acts as the main plot device, perhaps even a portal generator to differing locations in time/space?
ALSO the hologram displaying the object has a different angle which bears an even stronger resemblance to the Beyond logo object.
ALSO ALSO you mentioned the resemblance to a black hole in the hologram depiction, and black holes are frequently equated with portals through time/space in theoretical physics.
All of this to me seems to severely imply that the object they are transporting will be a device of this variety, and honestly I'm surprised that I haven't seen anybody make these connections.