I am actually quick sick to hear of how it is the West who should decide what China should do. China should do this, China should do that. It would be more productive and do the world a lot of good if America and the west spend more time in thinking what it should do for its own countries in the very criticism that they are directing at China.
They should but couldn't because they don't have a solution. They know their model is terribly flawed and is there is nothing they can do except slowing China down and hopefully drag China down with them.
China too big and mighty to have been fully colonized by the West. Only small bites of China were taken but within a temporary span of time. Places like Hong Kong and Macau.
Up-a-Creek well most of Chinese don't have any beef against USA. Your comment is kinda put down to other ppl. I am trying not doing the same to you. But I have to point out that in WW2 we fought in the same side. Yes American helped China. But if not China draged 2 million Japanese soldiers in China 8 years. Japan would have more aircraft carriers not just 5 when they attacked pearl harbor. Would probably occupied it. American helped China which would be forever grateful. But in a way it's the Japan attacked USA to trigger America in the war. So helping China back then is helping American war effort. And 2 years after the war the former allies changed face so fast because now Japan is occupied by America and is "OUR SON OF THE BITCH". still most Chinese do not have animosity towards America. If America is mutual between Japan and China now. American will never be China's enemy.
When I heard China is on the winning side of WTO, I have to laugh a bit...China entered the WTO in 2001, that was already took 15 years of negotion (that was a long time for any country to think or prepare)...in addition, the western set the rules of WTO, not any developing country was involved setting these rules, which makes it already favor to developed country, and yet China is winning?! Basically, you created a game, made the rules and in the end you lost the game?!
wei man China has no delusion about this. That is why it has created the AIIB and the BRICS Bank and many countries are supporting this because the sponsors bring in money with the true intention of developing the recipients of the funds.
For the CCTV part, quite interesting, yes CCTV is boring, but it is how China became China today as a powerful nation. Of course building a highway is boring, building a port is boring, building a Bullet train and railway is boring, and showing on TV is even more boring, but it is the way how China grows, step by step, day by day...
This forum was very, very well articulated and I loved how it showed different sides of the spectrum. To those that are still disillusioned about the Red Menace, I'd like to say that your opinions are outdated and are a threat to the modern world.
Globalisation in general has benefited both China and western countries. It helps allocate global resources more efficiently and thus kept inflation low, lifted millions Chinese peasants out of poverty, and created huge profits for western conglomerates and their investors. There are also clear losers in this process who are the low skill manufacturing labours in western countries. It is disingenuous to blame China for the main cause of the suffering of those who lost their jobs in western countries. Western conglomerates and corporations were the main drivers of globalisation and benefited unproportionally from the low wage labour and tax privileges by moving manufacturing to China. Now the good time for these corporations are coming to an end when facing increasing competition from local Chinese companies. Undoubtedly local protection and intellectual theft have contributed to the erosion of western companies' technology and managerial advantages. This problem is exasperated by the dissolution of the failure of turning China into a more democratic society after its economic development. The world is facing a upcoming economic and political superpower with very different political system than the west. There will be lots of uncertainty and turbulent time ahead.
China correctly judges that advocacy journalism in the West has reached reckless abandon. I think the whole profession of Western journalism has become unabashedly shallow and biased. This is the problem.
US didn't help China emerge. US would like to claim the credit but just an empty claim. When Deng Xiaoping opened up China, the skilled entrepreneurs from Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong moved in, millions of them, to build up the low-end to high-end manufacturing plants in China in Shenzhen, Dongguan and in Shanghai, Suzhou (take note of the Suzhou-Singapore Industrial Park partnership between Singapore and China) and in Wuxi. These critical mass of key component suppliers attracted American MNCs like Seagate, HP, Honeywell, etc, to set up in China because these companies used to source components from south-east Asian nations like Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia. When the key component suppliers moved to China and offered more value for these customers, the customers followed suit.
I used to own a book.written by an Englishman about the origins of chinese language witten decades ago before China opened up to.the outside world. I find it profound and insightful. He wrote in the preface, something to this effect (sorry, I do not have the book to refer to). In China history, the past conquerers always adopt the chinese language (eg. Qing) China is a civilisation state like India. You cannot force it to emulate the western states eaily and in short span of time. However, pragmatism in Chinese DNA. If you can convince something is good for them, they will adopt. Meanwhile, I hope some people will stop talking down on China with superior attitude. It will only reinforce in them, the humiliation they went through at the hands of the whute supremacists after the second world war and invasion by Japan. Chinese tend to have long memories.
Bringing prosperity to its people as well as other developing countries has been remarkable for CCP. China can't be judged by western norms. Faulting China for building up in South China Sea is irrational when western countries have hundreds of military bases around the world.
As a Chinese, I have to say I can't be too optimistic about my own country. That made progress, but problems are mounting. Environment, Law& social justice, freedom...list goes on on and on...they have a long way to go. There are more challenge than opportunities unities. They only did ok on economical & maybe infrastructure.
China does not expect much cultural expansion in the West except somewhat effectively in the teaching of the Chinese language. Confucius Institutes are like IHOP, that does not necessarily sell mostly pancakes. The learning of Asian languages is less common but enrollment for the Japanese language has been at the expense of that of the Chinese language at least in the US.
This whole discussion is very "inside the box" and anglo centric. Can we please at least have one person on the panel that is under 50 or speak like he/or she is under 50? It's delusional to think the big three world powers (U.S., Russia & China) and the EU really play by some "world rules" but their own. By definition, big country politics is anarchy. Here is a novel way to look at the "China vs other countries" topic: large mass attracts and that what China got right now. Kind of like how Gravity works. Smaller bodies will be affected by a larger body's gravitational pull and some of the smaller bodies will get caught in the larger body's gravitational pull and go into orbit. Another more "real" way to see the whole situation: China is kind of like the U.S. in the early 1900s (raising ... possibly becoming the world's dominant power) and the U.S. is kind of like the U.K. in the 1930s (falling ... possibly beginning to lose it's position as the world's dominant power). That's really the underlying factor for all economic & political issues being discussed and not really anything new from a "history of the world" perspective.
The forecast is misleading. Trump has punctured the Chinese ballon. Trump is a Hero. He is standing against China. a number of countries are exporting Chinese products by adding just a little. Trump is trying to stop that to protect jobs in the USA. Every country should try to be self-sufficient. The treaty of WTO in 1995 is evil. It has promoted the evilest country China so far. Germany is exporting cycles to the USA, all made in China. This is just one example.
Why is the south china sea a western issue more than it is a chinese issue?? Are the chinese making the mediteranean , the baltic sea or the bering sea a chinese issue??
As long as western societies do more pollution per capita they have no moral right to criticise China on pollution. Recently America walked out of Paris global warming meet and not China. Today China is a world leader in Solar and wind power.
Faced with the globalization of market changes and technological changes, whether the country or individuals can not actively reform to adapt to changes in the environment, replaced by the demise of self-isolation. The protectionism advocated by the country eventually becomes self-contained and will eventually lag behind the world. When human beings face natural disasters or any natural changes, what we can do is change to adapt to the environment and the survival of the fittest.
The offensive leads by America against countries with growing challenges against it especially China which has grown strong enough to challenge America in economy and military strength.
What you talk and what you think does not matter AT ALL. A awaken lion does not care about what sheep think, especially when they are thinking in an arrogant and unfriendly way.
china multilateralism approaches is controllable and manageable by united nation and BRIC where most of western idea, united nation is organization of no great future for trade and investment. where AIIB is a clear cut to manage trade to the world.
On Debit : Most of Chinese Debit is internal ( they have a very high saving rate ) while USA Debit is external and hence USA is more vulnerable to Debit than China is. If USA follows protectionist policy Dollar will cease to be global currency of trade and that will bring all its Debit to roast.
An average European works half the hours a week than an average Chinese does so how can the compete with China. Even in the use Robots in manufacturing China uses them much more than European country does. Moreover large number technological advanced European companies are bought every day by Chinese. Last year more patents were filled by Chinese than Europeans. In short China is economically beating Europe hands down.
No American manufacturing company can compete with a Chinese company if a level playing field is there. I challenge America to provide a level playing field in say for building infrastructure or manufacturing to a Chinese company in America.
Minority American here (not Chinese). Frankly, I find this talk of China being a monoethnic, racist state DISGUSTING. China has more minorities than any of the European countries represented on the panel, unless you just count all Asians as the same from Korean to Malaysian. The US might have an argument for being diverse if it weren't for the abhorrent FACT that most African-Americans are the descendants of slaves brought over against their will! And now that you have to live with them, your "tolerance" should all of a sudden deserve praise? DISGUSTING.
If there is no more China，how would u know what u r doing is right or wrong？Judge less and watch more please！This world need China，compare makes improvement！Give us some more time plz！We r taught to be peaceful。
Global governance institutions should be build based on Democratic principals of one man one vote. Is this panel ready and will support a system of global administration based on democracy? The answer is NO as these western countries will never walk the talk.
talking about international trade , without considering the CBs currency convertability at the firm level bonds relation with the CBs and their obidient banks ; is like talking about love without sex !
China will open its services sector if USA opens its labour market. Is USA ready to give Chinese a level playing field in there infrastructure or manufacturing sectors in USA with Chinese bring in there labour.? The answer is NO
Not so. Chinese are taught all How-To and, even, what to make by advanced nations (e.g. the US, Japan, EU countries). The same thing can be done (and are being done) in other developing countries. Only reason things are concentrated in China now is because it's cheaper; which is because China has low wages, disregards the environment, safety standard, workers' right, etc, etc. Anyways, China has now 'firmly' established "China Brand", which everyone wants to avoid whenever possible. People are not trusting, and not liking, "Product of China" any more.
+ksm273 You must be kidding. China's wages are now the highest in the developing world. Higher than eastern Europe, Mexico, Turkey, Brazil, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, and the Philippines. If you think these countries, with the exception of Eastern Europe, has better wages, better environmental regulations, safety standards and workers' rights, you need to get out more and read a ton more.
That's exactly what China has been doing lately. In case you have missed it, Chinese companies are even establishing themselves the the USA!. The sad part of it is that the AMericans are now complaining that China is taking over the USA.
I am actually quick sick to hear of how it is the West who should decide what China should do. China should do this, China should do that. It would be more productive and do the world a lot of good if America and the west spend more time in thinking what it should do for its own countries in the very criticism that they are directing at China.
They should but couldn't because they don't have a solution. They know their model is terribly flawed and is there is nothing they can do except slowing China down and hopefully drag China down with them.
China too big and mighty to have been fully colonized by the West. Only small bites of China were taken but within a temporary span of time. Places like Hong Kong and Macau.
Up-a-Creek well most of Chinese don't have any beef against USA. Your comment is kinda put down to other ppl. I am trying not doing the same to you. But I have to point out that in WW2 we fought in the same side. Yes American helped China. But if not China draged 2 million Japanese soldiers in China 8 years. Japan would have more aircraft carriers not just 5 when they attacked pearl harbor. Would probably occupied it. American helped China which would be forever grateful. But in a way it's the Japan attacked USA to trigger America in the war. So helping China back then is helping American war effort. And 2 years after the war the former allies changed face so fast because now Japan is occupied by America and is "OUR SON OF THE BITCH". still most Chinese do not have animosity towards America. If America is mutual between Japan and China now. American will never be China's enemy.
A panel discussing China without a Chinese member. How interesting.
And they thought they knew China!
A group of old white men having an intellectual masturbation to make themselves feel better about their own decline.
What's new? Lol'ed
Long live Communist dictatorships!
+*battwann88* I know right? Chinese are the shez deez dayz.
@@miles4220 no more white hegemony. We asian feel sick with white arrogant and discriminate asian people.
Think Tank? They sure are keeping their thinking inside a TANK.
Well said !
madmanjshum hahahaha ur funny, spot on comment
ahahah. lol
Five blind humans describing an elephant without having seen or touched one but assuming the smell they smell is from the elephant.
When I heard China is on the winning side of WTO, I have to laugh a bit...China entered the WTO in 2001, that was already took 15 years of negotion (that was a long time for any country to think or prepare)...in addition, the western set the rules of WTO, not any developing country was involved setting these rules, which makes it already favor to developed country, and yet China is winning?! Basically, you created a game, made the rules and in the end you lost the game?!
wei man China has no delusion about this. That is why it has created the AIIB and the BRICS Bank and many countries are supporting this because the sponsors bring in money with the true intention of developing the recipients of the funds.
God bless China.
A bunch of non Chinese discuss China, its like those white republican male lawmaker discuss about woman's health issues.
That's why the West has been failing to really understand China let alone fully leashing the influence of China. 差之毫厘，谬以千里。
If I hear another word about human rights coming out of an American I will literally puke.
Brilliant excellent description
I found that Asia Society actually include no Asian??
It is good to hear how outsiders pe perceive China.
For the CCTV part, quite interesting, yes CCTV is boring, but it is how China became China today as a powerful nation. Of course building a highway is boring, building a port is boring, building a Bullet train and railway is boring, and showing on TV is even more boring, but it is the way how China grows, step by step, day by day...
Really? Anyone still trusts New York Times nowadays?
123静水丨流深 New York Times fake news CNN fake news
New York Time is garbage. F*ck!!!
It’s interesting to see a lot of non-Chinese defend China.
This forum was very, very well articulated and I loved how it showed different sides of the spectrum. To those that are still disillusioned about the Red Menace, I'd like to say that your opinions are outdated and are a threat to the modern world.
Why there isn't any Chinese here when you are talking about China?
I'm here.
A lone Chinese in the panel could have debunked all their arguments. That's their fear.
Globalisation in general has benefited both China and western countries. It helps allocate global resources more efficiently and thus kept inflation low, lifted millions Chinese peasants out of poverty, and created huge profits for western conglomerates and their investors. There are also clear losers in this process who are the low skill manufacturing labours in western countries. It is disingenuous to blame China for the main cause of the suffering of those who lost their jobs in western countries. Western conglomerates and corporations were the main drivers of globalisation and benefited unproportionally from the low wage labour and tax privileges by moving manufacturing to China. Now the good time for these corporations are coming to an end when facing increasing competition from local Chinese companies. Undoubtedly local protection and intellectual theft have contributed to the erosion of western companies' technology and managerial advantages. This problem is exasperated by the dissolution of the failure of turning China into a more democratic society after its economic development. The world is facing a upcoming economic and political superpower with very different political system than the west. There will be lots of uncertainty and turbulent time ahead.
The lady in red understands China better than the rest of The experts
China correctly judges that advocacy journalism in the West has reached reckless abandon.
I think the whole profession of Western journalism has become unabashedly shallow and biased. This is the problem.
Susan Shirk said USA helped China emerge, but why? i dont understand the logic behind.
US didn't help China emerge. US would like to claim the credit but just an empty claim. When Deng Xiaoping opened up China, the skilled entrepreneurs from Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong moved in, millions of them, to build up the low-end to high-end manufacturing plants in China in Shenzhen, Dongguan and in Shanghai, Suzhou (take note of the Suzhou-Singapore Industrial Park partnership between Singapore and China) and in Wuxi.
These critical mass of key component suppliers attracted American MNCs like Seagate, HP, Honeywell, etc, to set up in China because these companies used to source components from south-east Asian nations like Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia. When the key component suppliers moved to China and offered more value for these customers, the customers followed suit.
How much influence do Italy play in the world trade? What is her real contribution to the trade? As a bankrupt nation, what can Italy offer the world?
I used to own a book.written by an Englishman about the origins of chinese language witten decades ago before China opened up to.the outside world. I find it profound and insightful. He wrote in the preface, something to this effect (sorry, I do not have the book to refer to). In China history, the past conquerers always adopt the chinese language (eg. Qing)
China is a civilisation state like India. You cannot force it to emulate the western states eaily and in short span of time. However, pragmatism in Chinese DNA. If you can convince something is good for them, they will adopt. Meanwhile, I hope some people will stop talking down on China with superior attitude. It will only reinforce in them, the humiliation they went through at the hands of the whute supremacists after the second world war and invasion by Japan. Chinese tend to have long memories.
Interesting looking back now China's help to North Korea making nuclear weapons is more in the open.
Bringing prosperity to its people as well as other developing countries has been remarkable for CCP. China can't be judged by western norms. Faulting China for building up in South China Sea is irrational when western countries have hundreds of military bases around the world.
As a Chinese, I have to say I can't be too optimistic about my own country. That made progress, but problems are mounting. Environment, Law& social justice, freedom...list goes on on and on...they have a long way to go. There are more challenge than opportunities unities. They only did ok on economical & maybe infrastructure.
China does not expect much cultural expansion in the West except somewhat effectively in the teaching of the Chinese language. Confucius Institutes are like IHOP, that does not necessarily sell mostly pancakes.
The learning of Asian languages is less common but enrollment for the Japanese language has been at the expense of that of the Chinese language at least in the US.
This whole discussion is very "inside the box" and anglo centric. Can we please at least have one person on the panel that is under 50 or speak like he/or she is under 50? It's delusional to think the big three world powers (U.S., Russia & China) and the EU really play by some "world rules" but their own. By definition, big country politics is anarchy.
Here is a novel way to look at the "China vs other countries" topic: large mass attracts and that what China got right now. Kind of like how Gravity works. Smaller bodies will be affected by a larger body's gravitational pull and some of the smaller bodies will get caught in the larger body's gravitational pull and go into orbit.
Another more "real" way to see the whole situation: China is kind of like the U.S. in the early 1900s (raising ... possibly becoming the world's dominant power) and the U.S. is kind of like the U.K. in the 1930s (falling ... possibly beginning to lose it's position as the world's dominant power). That's really the underlying factor for all economic & political issues being discussed and not really anything new from a "history of the world" perspective.
The forecast is misleading. Trump has punctured the Chinese ballon. Trump is a Hero. He is standing against China. a number of countries are exporting Chinese products by adding just a little. Trump is trying to stop that to protect jobs in the USA. Every country should try to be self-sufficient. The treaty of WTO in 1995 is evil. It has promoted the evilest country China so far.
Germany is exporting cycles to the USA, all made in China. This is just one example.
Why is the south china sea a western issue more than it is a chinese issue?? Are the chinese making the mediteranean , the baltic sea or the bering sea a chinese issue??
As long as western societies do more pollution per capita they have no moral right to criticise China on pollution. Recently America walked out of Paris global warming meet and not China. Today China is a world leader in Solar and wind power.
Faced with the globalization of market changes and technological changes, whether the country or individuals can not actively reform to adapt to changes in the environment, replaced by the demise of self-isolation. The protectionism advocated by the country eventually becomes self-contained and will eventually lag behind the world. When human beings face natural disasters or any natural changes, what we can do is change to adapt to the environment and the survival of the fittest.
The offensive leads by America against countries with growing challenges against it especially China which has grown strong enough to challenge America in economy and military strength.
Love the italian! Charming an articulate man with the right analysis...
China has started spending Trillions on OBOR project in 65 countries as an alternative to buying US Bonds
no one mentions financial problems in China - does it mean that everything is great now?
Eryk Pyts every states has its problems including china
The West should invest more in marketing the benefits of their own political system both internally and externally I think.
That a person of such morality as Trump was elected, the whole issue of progressive Western value comes into question.
China has started investing its surplus in OBOR project by lending money to 65 countries so it has found an alternative to buying US treasuries bonds
What you talk and what you think does not matter AT ALL.
A awaken lion does not care about what sheep think, especially when they are thinking in an arrogant and unfriendly way.
china multilateralism approaches is controllable and manageable by united nation and BRIC where most of western idea, united nation is organization of no great future for trade and investment. where AIIB is a clear cut to manage trade to the world.
economy is implemented from bottom up not top down because people that do business. The more people do business the more idea coming.
funny, china has islamic business center than in italia can provide.
Aze Fan in business i have to learn how and what is invade muslim world mean?
On Debit : Most of Chinese Debit is internal ( they have a very high saving rate ) while USA Debit is external and hence USA is more vulnerable to Debit than China is. If USA follows protectionist policy Dollar will cease to be global currency of trade and that will bring all its Debit to roast.
The most interesting speakers are the gentleman from UK and lady in red. Sorry, I forgot their names.
Western got nothing good to say about China but all the negative
A bit rich to talk about China without China defending what they are talking about LOL
funny
An average European works half the hours a week than an average Chinese does so how can the compete with China. Even in the use Robots in manufacturing China uses them much more than European country does. Moreover large number technological advanced European companies are bought every day by Chinese. Last year more patents were filled by Chinese than Europeans. In short China is economically beating Europe hands down.
The slave masters don't allow or intimidate Chinese from being on panels like this.
No American manufacturing company can compete with a Chinese company if a level playing field is there. I challenge America to provide a level playing field in say for building infrastructure or manufacturing to a Chinese company in America.
Minority American here (not Chinese). Frankly, I find this talk of China being a monoethnic, racist state DISGUSTING. China has more minorities than any of the European countries represented on the panel, unless you just count all Asians as the same from Korean to Malaysian. The US might have an argument for being diverse if it weren't for the abhorrent FACT that most African-Americans are the descendants of slaves brought over against their will! And now that you have to live with them, your "tolerance" should all of a sudden deserve praise? DISGUSTING.
turn off your darn phones
I am an chinese, and i love that italian guy
If there is no more China，how would u know what u r doing is right or wrong？Judge less and watch more please！This world need China，compare makes improvement！Give us some more time plz！We r taught to be peaceful。
how many people killed by guns in US do you think that is human right?
Global governance institutions should be build based on Democratic principals of one man one vote. Is this panel ready and will support a system of global administration based on democracy? The answer is NO as these western countries will never walk the talk.
Cctv is boring, so true, sigh.
Regarding Frederico's comment regarding China being mono-ethnic and racist, he should stop throwing rocks when he lives in a glass house.
talking about international trade , without considering the CBs currency convertability at the firm level bonds relation with the CBs and their obidient banks ; is like talking about love without sex !
China will open its services sector if USA opens its labour market. Is USA ready to give Chinese a level playing field in there infrastructure or manufacturing sectors in USA with Chinese bring in there labour.? The answer is NO
how do Chinese been resist to Chinese????
Continued : With free flow of Human Resource’s
A whole gang of westerners vs a Asian.
America go home and give peace a chance
Chinese political system is based on Meritocracy USA will do well if it bought Meritocracy in there governing and social systems. Learn from China
turkish langauage subtitle please !!!
american like to have the empty dream and making enemy!
Asia society?????? Didn't see a single Asian in that society
Shell has a closed mind.
One key is to spread sub-contract-manufacturing more evenly, not all to China but also to many other countries in Asia, Africa and elsewhere.
ksm273 they tried that. China got skill, others don't.
Not so. Chinese are taught all How-To and, even, what to make by advanced nations (e.g. the US, Japan, EU countries). The same thing can be done (and are being done) in other developing countries. Only reason things are concentrated in China now is because it's cheaper; which is because China has low wages, disregards the environment, safety standard, workers' right, etc, etc.
Anyways, China has now 'firmly' established "China Brand", which everyone wants to avoid whenever possible. People are not trusting, and not liking, "Product of China" any more.
+ksm273 You must be kidding. China's wages are now the highest in the developing world. Higher than eastern Europe, Mexico, Turkey, Brazil, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, and the Philippines. If you think these countries, with the exception of Eastern Europe, has better wages, better environmental regulations, safety standards and workers' rights, you need to get out more and read a ton more.
Austin Hughes
That's exactly what China has been doing lately. In case you have missed it, Chinese companies are even establishing themselves the the USA!. The sad part of it is that the AMericans are now complaining that China is taking over the USA.
Lazy Italiano love vacation , they hate hard work people.
Very boring Italian.