Knull was sleeping in the dark before the universe existed when the lights came on and started making noise and woke him up which he doesn’t like being awake so he made the symbiotes to help him turn the lights off again
I choose to believe Venom just. kinda lied about what caused the codex to form, and the reason other symbiotes could revive their hosts without the weird dogs going after them is because codexes are actually caused by a symbiote falling in love with the host
The only other symbiote besides venom that might have formed a codex is toxin with mulligan at the end of the second film, but toxin abandoned him (assumedly to avoid the codex being found) and mulligan died with the green symbiote. Venom being in love with Eddie is just a weird idea, Platonic friendship is a real thing.
@Battyj dude there’s literally a guy who gets stabbed through the chest then a symbiote joins with him. The xenophages never even try to take him despite the fact that he should definitely have died from it. And Eddie and Venom are pretty much explicitly in a romantic relationship in the comics; Eddie calls Venom ‘darling’ and ‘my love’, their bond is called a marriage, and they literally have a child together Besides, in the movies, Venom is the one who decides to kiss Eddie, he does a speech about how Eddie was ashamed of him and how he’s ’coming out of the Eddie closet’ before awkwardly rejecting a woman who was coming onto him, they’re described as needing couple’s counselling, and he repeatedly talks about how he and Eddie could have a family together and that Eddie will be a good dad. Even if you don’t think Eddie has any romantic feelings towards Venom, Venom is pretty clearly in love with Eddie. Just coz you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not there
@tyler-df3wy I don't remember that happening, but the symbiotes attached to their hosts pretty much immediately the difference with Eddie being the fact that it took venom a solid minute or so to reach him, you don't just die immediately if you get impaled in the chest, you'd die very quickly but a symbiote can assumedly instantly heal you in the time you have before fully dying, Eddie on the other hand was flat out dead, so had to be brought back to life creating the codex. Goofy things happen in the comics all the time that do not need to be replicated in the films. As far as I'm aware them being intimate was more a one-off thing instead of a constant theme in their relationship anyway. Venom is not the one who decided to kiss Eddie. They very clearly hint at it being Anne's idea, but she brushes it off and blames it on Venom because she's in a relationship already, at most you could say venom pushed her to do it, but she continued doing it after venom transferred and the reason he would push her to do it is because through the whole first film and maybe the second i dont remember, he wants Anne and Eddie to be together. Their relationship in the second film is the classic bickering old married couple, but that doesn't mean they have to be romantically involved, it's just because they spend so much time together that they act like that. The whole dad thing was definitely not venom implying that venom and eddie should have a kid together💀 it was venom encouraging Eddie to settle down and have a normal life, which was a consistent theme in Eddie's character the whole time, he wanted to be normal. You are twisting evidence to support your own biased theory that Venom (romantically) loves Eddie. Plus, there's also just the fact that venom is an alien species that is biologically asexual. There is no reason he should have romantic feelings at all.
@ well I just spent like an hour writing a comment only for it to get deleted at the last second and I cba to retype it, so all I’m gonna say is that both Andy Serkis and Tom Hardy have acknowledged the fact that the queer community adopted symbrock as an icon and they both said the second movie intentionally leaned into that. Venom 2 was explicitly called a ‘love affair’ by Serkis, and the rave scene was inspired by a queer festival, with him describing it as ‘Venom’s coming out party’. There is definitely romantic subtext, it was a purposeful decision
This movie felt like the last episodes of a series that was canceled mid-season and they had to stuff all the plotline resolutions and plans for the next 3 seasons into 5 episodes
the best thing to come of this movie has to be the promos because what do you MEAN we now have footage of venom and megan thee stallion having a full conversation just going “ahh :P” “AHHH :P” and also venom shotgunning a gallon of milk after eating a hot wings wing
When my cishet brother said “Venom and Eddie should’ve said I love you before their goodbye” you know Sony has messed up. But seriously i love your chaotic takes and thoughts on this film. i have to agree with most of them. i love the venom trilogy more than my life, i loved the Venom 2018 so much it made me read the comics. Venom The Last Dance was a fun film, minus the last 30 minutes, i was on the edge of my seat waiting to feel some sort of sadness after Venom sacrificed himself and then get hit by that Memories by Maroon 5. I was LIVID
The fact that Venom and Eddie didn’t kiss actually ruined my night. That goodbye scene should have had Tom Hardy viciously tonguing a CGI slime monster and I’m so mad it didn’t happen At least Venom called him sexy but good god. Think of the gays man
This! I would have at _least_ settled for a gentle headbutt, especially as a callback to their fight in _LTBC_ (when Venom viciously headbutts Eddie in the face multiple times)!
If I remember correctly the insect in the post credit scene wasn’t a fly, it was a cockroach. Coz early in the movie, lightning scientist was talking about Area 51 being demolished and said that cockroaches can survive anything. So yeah Venom definitely went cockroach mode and survived the acid and nobody can convince me otherwise
Was my immediate thought too, I actually loudly lamented about it to my friend after the post-cred cause I was so enthusiastic about it 😂 Tho the fact that it touches the remnants of electric symbiont could also indicate a new line of movies about them. Another thought of ours was that the parts of venom collected at the bar in the beginning of the movie might still be alive somewhere.
Absolutely shocked they did not go balls to the walls with this what are they gonna do cancel the series?! We need full love confessions, symbiote makeout sessions, cheesy travel photo end credits SOMETHING
I really hate how symbiotes look when possessing women. Like why do they have to be skinny with boobs, why can’t there be giant muscle mommy symbiotes?
Haley do you know that in the comics, they refer to their bond as a marriage, Exclusively refer to each other as "My Love" and "My Darling", and have a symbiote child named Sleeper together.
@@eligah1843it’s real! i’m not super familiar with the comics but there’s a number of issues that paint their relationship as romantic and even outright as marriage going back decades. there’s also “marvel comics presents 5” from 2019 which is. well. let’s just say extremely charged.
i have been haunted by this movie since OPENING NIGHT. the only thing that i haven’t stopped thinking about that i have seen NO ONE ELSE talk about is how the shadowy figure watching venom and eddie from a control room (???) was like, very clearly dr. dan, right??? that was his silhouette and his voice and he’s CREDITED AS “DR. DAN” IN THE CREDITS. what does that mean!!!!! what was he doing!!!!!! i have a feeling that a LOT was cut from the final script/film because there were so many plot threads that seemed unfinished. like i have SO many QUESTIONS!! i went to the venom panel at nycc two weeks ago and the cowriter/directed said that while venom and eddie’s story is over, this movie opens the door to OTHER symbiotes. i remember everyone in the room cheering while i sat there like, “…..okay??? i’m really just here for venom and eddie though so…….” the only thing that’s keeping me SLIGHTLY sane is that the cowriter/director AND tom hardy both said that venom and eddie have potential to return, just not in their own movie. which, again, devastating with how this trilogy ended, but at least all hope isn’t lost???? :( it’s been a VERY rough week for a person who might have a literal symbrock tattoo on their arm (me)
@haleywhipjack every time i think i have pondered every single detail of this movie, a new baffling memory enters my brain and i have to think, “wait a minute, what was THAT” the money-making scheme for this movie is to make it so confounding that the real venomheads and symbrock nation need to keep going to see it to desperately piece together a happy ending for our boys 😭
I'll be honest I would kinda go feral for a Venom/Symbiote show focusing on Dan and Anne running a government sponsored Symbiote Avengers, Eddie mentoring other pairs on bonding, Venom and Eddie getting back together and becoming the leaders of the team and getting their chance to sort of have their own family. Maybe by their own means... I'm pretty sure they have more kids in the comics than just Carnage.... MAYBE.
SPOILER TALK - VENOM 3 AND NO WAY HOME . . . . . It's my assumption that the entire reason to get them into the MCU for such a short time was that we see in the end credits of No Way Home that a tiny bit of venom is left behind in that bar in Mexico. So Venom isn't technically dead, a bit of him is definitely still alive. But Sony probably wants to do the Venom Spider-man story SO BAD, and this is their way of wrapping up their one venom story so they can have the other.
So... I am 99% sure we're not done with Venom.... or with Eddie. Because we have another weird moment in the climax, where there's the one soldier that ALMOST gets eaten by the xenophage, but is still saved sans some legs. And Strickland explicitly calls that soldier "Thompson". Flash Thompson. Famous Spidey character who is Peter's bully, but also Spider-man's biggest fan. And who, in the comics, becomes the character "Agent Venom". And this is ABSOLUTELY what they are gearing up for in the next outing. And as for Eddie... well, I'm not sure exactly HOW they are going to line this up for the movies, but I know he's GOT to come back as the brilliant comic turn as the character "Anti-Venom", where Eddie's own immune system becomes a kind of psuedo-symbiote. If they have a Knull teaser in the Kraven movie, I'm going to laugh my ass off.
The way this video was so validating because I had the EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE watching this movie. Venom is dying on screen, my partner is sobbing next to me, I’m like “it’s ok, Venom is in that test tube and survived.” IM WAITING for Venom to come back, the credits roll, IM PRAYING FOR THAT END CREDITS SCENE AND ITS FUCKING NULL!!!! I feel like seeing someone else losing it like my partner and I did healed me a little bit bc we left that theater SHELLS of our former selves.
@ yeah! The video also goes into it, but he sacrifices himself and Eddie wakes up in the hospital and the government is like “it never would have worked out between you guys. Never tell anyone this happened.” And then they play a cheesy montage and the movie ends. There’s a second end credit scene that implies there’s a small possibility Venom is alive but it’s the smallest of crumbs and kind of just feels like an insult.
THIS ENTIRELY! Shell of myself honestly at the time feels like such an understatement, and I couldn't talk to anyone about it because most people Don't Get Venom the way we all seem to and I fear social judgement lol; I'm so glad we're all on the same wavelength💖
fun fact - Knull is the one who made Knowhere, the head the Guardians hang out in. He used the sword from Love and Thunder to cut off a celestial’s head
@ ngl i think the best move for Sony’s Spiderman IP is joining it to the MCU. They know that having peter parker references will make fanboys go nuts (fuck that was 80% of morpheus’ marketing with the remaining 20 being “its morphin’ time”), they’ve proven that venom/eddie brock as a character plays very well with audiences, and he’d fit in perfectly post avengers secret wars Think about it, as the plot shifts to focus more on Celestials, Knull is brought up in eternals 2/shang-chi 2/Thor 5 as being some otherworldly cosmic being, the manifestation of the Void and Darkness to the Celestial’s Creation and Light - he’s in the top 10 most powerful beings in Marvel (or was til he revoked his position to fulfill his own wishes and now eddie brock is a multiversal constant) and his pressence absolutely HAUNTS the mcu. Retcon that Jon Snow’s sword is a weaker copy of the Necroblade - fuck, say it was made from a shard of Grendel - and that Gorr’s wish was designed to free Knull - meanwhile, the Dweller In Darkness of Shang-Chi looks a hell of a lot like the space dogs he used in Venom. Dweller in Darkness is Grendel, thor fought it but didnt follow up on it so the weakened variant could be imprisoned away before it could free its master. Also based off the new(ish) rights agreement Marvel has a legit legal claim to subsidiary spider-man characters. Does sony own the rights to Venom? Absolutely. However, do they own “Venom the spider-man villain” or do they own “Cosmic multiversal power represented by Venom and Eddie Brock being the King In Black’s dual avatars?” Venom started as a spider man villain but he’s had decades to grow and become his own thinh
ok so i just googled a theater video of The Montage bc i've heard other people talking about an insane maroon 5 montage in the new venom movie and then haley described it and i was like "ok no, theres no way, it's gotta be something like ironic and fun" long story short: it was not, and my jaw has been on the floor for 5 minutes now. this might be the most low effort yet genuinely earnest sequence i've ever seen in my life. if you haven't seen the film, please look this thing up if you want to get your mind blown
I just watched 50 minutes of commentary about venom 3 (a movie I never watched) and enjoyed every moment of it. Haley, you are one of my favorite storytellers. ❤️
Wait, there WAS a post-credits scene?! AND I MISSED IT?! Also, I don't know why they changed how Codex's work, because in the comics you get one as soon as you bond with any symbiote and it's just there in your spine
11:16 as soon as you said venom melds with animals i kept replacing the first letter of these animals with ‘v’ vorse vrog velephant that’s all for now lolol i’ll check back in once i finish the video
7:48 in defence of Edward Brock, crossing the United States by foot was not the original plan because of the plane which was my main confusion of the movie. Because we saw Venom fight the alien dog and all that and then the alien dog went into the engine under the left wing. The engine blew up right? And then Venom and Eddie fall off….What happened to that plane? That plane was going down, that engine was gone. Did the plane crash??? How many innocent people did Venom inadvertently kill by being on the outside of this plane?? We never go back to the plane!
Planes can still glide without engines and it had 1 left anyway. It's not like they were over the Pacific, they were flying over the USA, which has an airport practically every 5 meters. It would just do an emergency landing at the nearest airport.
There is a throwaway line that the pilots reported the disturbance and that's how the feds caught up with Eddie at one point so everyone the plane was probably scared for life but lived!
14:16 DAN IS IN THE MOVIE. DAN IS CREDITED. The guy in the shadows calling Strickland is (I'm pretty sure!!!!!) played by Dan's actor (Reid Scott). Dr. Dan Lewis is credited as a character in the end crawl so like. That's GOTTA be him right??? why would Dr. Dan Lewis do such a thing?????
Oh my god I watched this last night and felt THE SAME THANK GOD. OK The glow sticks! I said the same thing but my boyfriend (certfiably crazy about venom) said that venom probably just shared the memory with Eddie, which is why Eddie feels bad about it while "memories bring back you" was whined behind him. The movie feels like a UA-cam fan film. It truly feels entirely disconnected from the last two movies. We also watched a version where the dialog was 50% higher then the rest of the audio, so everyone was VERY loud. It made the movie a more surreal experience.
I wish the dialogue could be louder in every movie, cause I can never hear what anyone is saying and turn up the volume and then it's like whisper whisper whisper EXPLOSIONS!!!
I feel like you would enjoy Malevolent based on this video. Also-very surprised to see a void with eyes in place of Hermes at the beginning. Very cute void.
The podcast Malevolent might fill the hole in your heart, 1930's detective and a cranky demon possessing his eyes 👀👀👀 my condolences for your Venom loss 😢
The opening scene of Eddie in a bar ties into the mid credits scene from Spider-Man No Way Home (2021). It works as a bridge between the end of Venom Let There Be Carnage (2021) and the start of Venom The Last Dance (2024)
One of my biggest peeves with the movie is that I am like 90% sure that the other symbiotes that were kept in area 55 are supposed to be some of Venom's children from the comics (like the pink ponytail symbiote is supposed to be Agony I think??) but it doesn't make any sense for them to be Venom's kids since the only child Venom has in the movies is Carnage. They could've just had some random symbiotes but instead they had these really confusing almost-Venom's-kids-but-not-quite symbiotes and it left me so confused the entire time I was in the theatre and on my way home.
I watched it this weekend with literally 3 other people in the theater and I also sat stunned by the ending. I didn't even stay for the last credit scene because the mid credit scene was simply too upsetting slash a whole lotta nothing. I love your unseen post movie roadtrip movie, I am absolutely accepting that into my headcanon
I just got into the fandom. I watched all three movies for the first time THIS WEEK. Went from the high of Venom 1 which is so relatable as someone who is autistic. Into Venom 2 which continues to be relatable and now I’m projecting onto Eddie and Venom and then in Venom 3 they kill off my autism. I want my autism back, give it back, I’m a husk of myself now.
The montage felt so insulting. Like they just didn't finish the movie and made a PowerPoint level string of clips of the other movies. There's no way that was the intended way to end it, I refuse to believe it
im 2 minutes in, i have never come across this channel before but the way you talk about this forsaken movie has me instantly captivated. THE PASSION, THE AGONY, THE PAIN. im a general fan of venom and a casual enjoyer of the first two-ish movies, i put the third one to play recently and 2 minutes in im like oh god i havent slept enough to comprehend That.im so excited to draw while watching this
another horrible thing about The Montage is that as eddie looks at the Statue of Liberty, he is the most put together and happy we have ever seen him in the whole trilogy. The implication, to me at least, is that eddie is better without venom. Which is honestly tragic.
Given the little bit of symbiote that escapes in the end credit scene and the fact that Knull is the guy who made Knowwhere - plus with the Beyonder/Secret War bullshit… VENOM AINT GONE BABEY!
Except for the fact that Sony was absolutely relying on this movie doing well as a bargaining chip to force the MCU to let them hold Spider-Man hostage and force all their horrible movies into the MCU. But every review I’ve seen for this movie has been… incredulous at best, so Sony’s best bargaining chip is gone which means they’re probably just going to have to let Marvel do whatever they want with Spider-Man or give up on the MCU entirely which will involve recasting Tom Holland and starting from scratch.
The Dr. Paine backstory could’ve worked with a shift in perspective. She used another lifeform, though unintentionally, as a protective shield. She doesn’t view the relationship between the symbiote and human as symbiotic, she believes the symbiot doesn’t deserve to be made to be a shield. Her compassion for a lifeform routinely seen as a tool is influenced by the lightning strike, it’s not complex but it’s better than “boy died so sad girl with no dreams takes his” but idk I i haven't seen the movie
Just a few corrections: One: I believe knull made the symbiotes and then they turned on him and trapped him. So venom doesnt lnow of Knull, venom KNOWS knull. Two: only VENOM has the codex so it wouldnt worked with the others. Three: the pink symbiote with the pony tail, Agony i believe is her name, that's just her design. It wasn't because the human had one
@@o.m9514I think they mean he’s not just aware of Knull, but rather he knows him personally because he was there when the Symbiotes turned and imprisoned him
39:15 No joke, I had an idea for a fanfic where this exact scenario happens after the fire in the first movie way back in 2018 and my first thought after finishing this movie was “well now I HAVE to finish that fic”
The purple pink symbiote is called "agony" and them and another one "scream" (not in the movie) both have hair. I think thats just for them tbh most others dont and its like how there were symbiotes in the movie with, no legs, with spikes, with weird magma arms, steong arms what ever They all have things others dont have
I just wanted a polyamorous Vegas wedding episode where bc of the weird dogs (minor characters, knull doesn't exist, get domesticated and become Mrs Chen's guard dogs in the post credits scene) venom has to possess Dan and (in order to change Eddie's name, in order to avoid the cops) has to marry Eddie in Dan's body, and they write Anne's name in as well bc shes part of this family too (I will accept her not being part of this movie only if everyone talks about how much they love her the entire time)
Okok hear me out. The sapphic scientists form a throuple with the lightning symbiote. Nonono this is good listen: Rosie Letterkenny gets closer to the other one whose name I've already forgotten by like...truly grokking her tragic history and it becomes something they can share, but it's a contrast to that first fatal experience so it's healing and empowering. Oh oh and they can like...fuse like some combination of the power rangers and Steven Universe's crystal gems. Giant woman made of scientists and symbiote. Dear hollywood, I am available for commissions.
Im just gonna assume that for some reason main venom dying nullifies the codex so when lil venom reunites with eddie it wont create the codex again (unless eddie died and venom brings him back again)
i really like the part in venom 3 when eddy and venom make out on screen for 45 mins because that was real and not a fanfic i wrote when i got home after seeing venom 3
Listen, i knew i was in for A MOVIE^tm when the dr lady, in a flashback, said "my twin brother, the future nasa scientist" right before he died, PEAK dialogue
thank you for voicing all of my distraught thoughts leaving the theater after watching venom 3 because I cannot stop thinking about how it was just Like That in such a way
YES!!! THIS EXACTLY!!!!! i went to see it the day it released as well, along with my grandad. we were both so excited for it and really enjoyed it for most of it but were both really confused and disappointed by the ending. it kinda ruined the rest of the movie for us! it really felt like the whole movie was building up to an entirely different climb and ending than what we got.
"The worst thing you can find in a zombie apocalypse, a room full of mannequins, just like at any other time." I didnt know this before you said it but i know it soo deeply in my bones now.
I just saw it today, I went into expecting to be devastated and I got what I wanted. It was perfect to me, the only downside is I wasn't given my best girl symbiote Scream. All I ever wanted was Scream
ALSO THE PINK PONYTAIL SYMBIOTE IS A REAL SYMBIOTE FROM THE COMICS HER NAME IS AGONY SHE JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT. A MAJORITY OF THE OTHER SYMBIOTES ARE ALSO FROM THE COMICS AND ARE CANONICALLY VENOM'S KIDS. THE LIGHTNING POWERS IS WHAT SHE DOES IR PROMISE. HER AND SCREAM HAVE SYMBIOTE HAIR ALSO SHE'S PURPLE
Swear to all the gods I thought this movie was like 2 hours to 2hr 15 learning it was less than 2 hrs legitimately shook me LMAO That entire last chunk REALLY dragged I think
Canon/lore nerd here, I have some good but kinda bad news for everyone, This most likely isn't the last time we'll get to see venom. As we see at the end of venom 3, Eddie seen looking at the Statue of Liberty, which is in New York and in the comics, venom is a very well-known villain for Spider-Man and a subsidiary villain of Knull, the dude who wants to get the cotex from Eddie and venom. with Eddie being in New York and Knull saying "your champion has fallen, your planet will be mine, the king in black is awake i will kill your world, everyone will burn and you will watch" in the first post credit scene, then in the second post credit scene (yes, there are 2), the bartender from the beginning of the movie emerges from a hole leading to area 55, he calls out to search for survivors when the camera pans to a cockroach crawling toward a shattered glass tube reminiscent of the one used by Rex Strickland to capture a small bit of venom left on the coin at the bar in beginning of the movie. It is highly theorized that in the next Spider-Man movie Eddie will be present and Knull will b the villain for Spider-Man, where venom will make an appearance. While nothing is confirmed, of course, this is all in the comics, and as we all know, the MCU loves to both deviate and take material from comics, though with all this evidence... i think its safe to say this might be the last solo venom movie, but not the last time we'll see venom on the big screen!
I fully buy into the conspiracy that the original leaked script with Riot as the main villain was real and what this film is comes entirely from trying to change things last minute to set up sony's Knull plans
Okay this is a long one but I wanted to discuss every point cause it seemed like fun, I hope that's cool with you 1. The jumping in and out of the MCU was the post credits of Spider-Man No Way Home, essentially how they explained there being a Venom in that universe, so I guess they felt they needed to awknowledge it in some way 2. I don't have something for this one, I think they just wanted to give Agony (The Symbiote) lightning powers somehow though the doctor's name is a reference to a Venom comics villain 3. Yeah they really dropped the ball on Knull, in the comics he is a terrifying elder god, the creator of all symbiotes and has a cool black knight armor look with a red spider symbol, Venom and Eddie fight him for the crown of the planet Klynthar with a giant axe, it's sick 4. Maybe this one is just me but I felt like all those times Venom mentioned living a life together could have also be read as ways to refer to the fact they didn't end up with Anne and everything was chill for all three of them and Dan, obviously that also work with just Eddie and Venom being together but Venom at the end says he's sad he didn't get to see "her" when he sees Eddie being sad and scared and then quickly goes "Lady Liberty" like I know he really did mean The Statue of Liberty but it could be read both way you know? 5. Yeah I watched it dubbed in spanish cause I live in Mexico and they still referred to it as Area 51 when they went underground so I don't even know what that one was about lol 6. I do think Venom's characterization was consistent through out but yeah as much as I love the dance scene that was pretty stupid of Venom to do (Also I don't have anywhere to put this but Rhys Ifans also played The Lizard in The Amazing Spider-Man, and I like his character and his family and the relationship they built with Eddie and Venom) 7. Multiple Symbiotes through out the comics do have hair like tendrels (Including one I'll mention on point 11) and Agony was one of the first to do so, I imagine most of the others in the movie didn't cause they were all original ones (Though the yellow bulky one resembles Phayge from the comics) 8. I thought the death was done pretty well, the idea of using acid to fully desintegrate the evil knull dogs made sense since they can regenerate but showed no signs of being able to recreate themselves out of nothing, it was sad, that last goodbye was emotional. Also if I'm not mistaken the Codex is only created if the symbiote and the previously death host are bonded on full symbiosis (The only Venom and Eddie were confirmed to be linked that way, even fully working symbiotes don't technically count as Cassidy and Carnage weren't in full symbiosis which was part of how they ended up being beaten in the end of Venom 2) 9. I'll admit, I liked the montage, having Memories by Maroon 5 was a very funny choice, showing the Venom coming out of the closet scene that Eddie was not there for was funnier, but I choose to believe they someone melded memories at some point and he's just remembering a time Venom was accepted and happy 10. Yeah this would have been cool if: A. This Knull was interesting in anyway in this movie, and B. If the Sony/Marvel movies outside of Venom were actually good and could have led into Knull being like their Thanos 11. Now this might be a bit of a downer but I don't think the Cockroach is actually Venom. Symbiotes pieces seperating more often than not lead to other characters being created rather than the piece simply being them again, that's technically how Carnage came to be in the second movie, and only one Venom related symbiote which keeps his black color scheme in the comics is Mania, who is Mania? Essentially Venom's daughter, a symbiote with short tendrels that resemble short spiky goth hair that fights crime, so in a way, Eddie and Venom did become parents Also in the first movie they mentioned that Eddie was basically kicked out of New York which is how he ended in San Francisco and I assume how he knows about the shady guy that's supposed to get him out of trouble, so him going back to New York with a brighter perspective on life after living with Venom does have a small bit of poetry to it, I do like the idea of the cafe ending though, that would have been beautiful 7/10, it could have been better but I think it keeps the consistent quality of the trilogy which I appreciated it, would watch again
I watched this video with my amazing bisexual mother and she went on the longest rant about why eddie and venom should have fucked in the flashback scenes.
Exactly my thoughts. I also was convinced at least a post credits scene would give clousure. But nope. Idgaf abt a "hint" I want reassurement that both will be tgt again and Venom isnt dead. Its the last fucking movie goddammit. I also sat there in shock at the theater. More than sadness I feel rage 😣
I haven't seen any Venom movie, but I can only assume Knull's motivation is homophobia
Knull was sleeping in the dark before the universe existed when the lights came on and started making noise and woke him up which he doesn’t like being awake so he made the symbiotes to help him turn the lights off again
@@azairecummings7049 He was eepy, is what you're saying?
@@spidey5558very eepy
Being very eepy does make a person homophobic.
@@azairecummings7049 the empty from supernatural core
I choose to believe Venom just. kinda lied about what caused the codex to form, and the reason other symbiotes could revive their hosts without the weird dogs going after them is because codexes are actually caused by a symbiote falling in love with the host
The only other symbiote besides venom that might have formed a codex is toxin with mulligan at the end of the second film, but toxin abandoned him (assumedly to avoid the codex being found) and mulligan died with the green symbiote. Venom being in love with Eddie is just a weird idea, Platonic friendship is a real thing.
@Battyj dude there’s literally a guy who gets stabbed through the chest then a symbiote joins with him. The xenophages never even try to take him despite the fact that he should definitely have died from it. And Eddie and Venom are pretty much explicitly in a romantic relationship in the comics; Eddie calls Venom ‘darling’ and ‘my love’, their bond is called a marriage, and they literally have a child together
Besides, in the movies, Venom is the one who decides to kiss Eddie, he does a speech about how Eddie was ashamed of him and how he’s ’coming out of the Eddie closet’ before awkwardly rejecting a woman who was coming onto him, they’re described as needing couple’s counselling, and he repeatedly talks about how he and Eddie could have a family together and that Eddie will be a good dad. Even if you don’t think Eddie has any romantic feelings towards Venom, Venom is pretty clearly in love with Eddie. Just coz you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not there
@tyler-df3wy I don't remember that happening, but the symbiotes attached to their hosts pretty much immediately the difference with Eddie being the fact that it took venom a solid minute or so to reach him, you don't just die immediately if you get impaled in the chest, you'd die very quickly but a symbiote can assumedly instantly heal you in the time you have before fully dying, Eddie on the other hand was flat out dead, so had to be brought back to life creating the codex.
Goofy things happen in the comics all the time that do not need to be replicated in the films. As far as I'm aware them being intimate was more a one-off thing instead of a constant theme in their relationship anyway. Venom is not the one who decided to kiss Eddie. They very clearly hint at it being Anne's idea, but she brushes it off and blames it on Venom because she's in a relationship already, at most you could say venom pushed her to do it, but she continued doing it after venom transferred and the reason he would push her to do it is because through the whole first film and maybe the second i dont remember, he wants Anne and Eddie to be together. Their relationship in the second film is the classic bickering old married couple, but that doesn't mean they have to be romantically involved, it's just because they spend so much time together that they act like that. The whole dad thing was definitely not venom implying that venom and eddie should have a kid together💀 it was venom encouraging Eddie to settle down and have a normal life, which was a consistent theme in Eddie's character the whole time, he wanted to be normal. You are twisting evidence to support your own biased theory that Venom (romantically) loves Eddie. Plus, there's also just the fact that venom is an alien species that is biologically asexual. There is no reason he should have romantic feelings at all.
@ well I just spent like an hour writing a comment only for it to get deleted at the last second and I cba to retype it, so all I’m gonna say is that both Andy Serkis and Tom Hardy have acknowledged the fact that the queer community adopted symbrock as an icon and they both said the second movie intentionally leaned into that. Venom 2 was explicitly called a ‘love affair’ by Serkis, and the rave scene was inspired by a queer festival, with him describing it as ‘Venom’s coming out party’. There is definitely romantic subtext, it was a purposeful decision
They hated the gay part so so much they changed the best parts of the story.
This movie felt like the last episodes of a series that was canceled mid-season and they had to stuff all the plotline resolutions and plans for the next 3 seasons into 5 episodes
you mean the owlhouse?
I believe the series you are referring to is NBC Hannibal
Sony really does excel in putting out movies where you can practically still see the studio notes written in the margins.
Umbrella academy season 4.
the best thing to come of this movie has to be the promos because what do you MEAN we now have footage of venom and megan thee stallion having a full conversation just going “ahh :P” “AHHH :P” and also venom shotgunning a gallon of milk after eating a hot wings wing
When my cishet brother said “Venom and Eddie should’ve said I love you before their goodbye” you know Sony has messed up.
But seriously i love your chaotic takes and thoughts on this film. i have to agree with most of them. i love the venom trilogy more than my life, i loved the Venom 2018 so much it made me read the comics.
Venom The Last Dance was a fun film, minus the last 30 minutes, i was on the edge of my seat waiting to feel some sort of sadness after Venom sacrificed himself and then get hit by that Memories by Maroon 5. I was LIVID
The fact that Venom and Eddie didn’t kiss actually ruined my night. That goodbye scene should have had Tom Hardy viciously tonguing a CGI slime monster and I’m so mad it didn’t happen
At least Venom called him sexy but good god. Think of the gays man
REAL 👏
I mean, that did happen on the first movie..
TRUEEEE. they kissed in the first movie, had a kid (and ate him) in the second, i feel like some tongue action was the BARE MINIMUM for the third.
This! I would have at _least_ settled for a gentle headbutt, especially as a callback to their fight in _LTBC_ (when Venom viciously headbutts Eddie in the face multiple times)!
YOU are SO right they should have kissed on that godamm helicopter
If I remember correctly the insect in the post credit scene wasn’t a fly, it was a cockroach. Coz early in the movie, lightning scientist was talking about Area 51 being demolished and said that cockroaches can survive anything. So yeah Venom definitely went cockroach mode and survived the acid and nobody can convince me otherwise
no that makes sense, you’re probably right. I was too distraught to correctly identify bugs
@@haleywhipjack honestly so real, I only realised because I overheard someone at my screening mention it as we were leaving
that was my thought too and i refuse to accept anything else
Was my immediate thought too, I actually loudly lamented about it to my friend after the post-cred cause I was so enthusiastic about it 😂
Tho the fact that it touches the remnants of electric symbiont could also indicate a new line of movies about them.
Another thought of ours was that the parts of venom collected at the bar in the beginning of the movie might still be alive somewhere.
I thought it was the part of venom the science guys stole at the start
Absolutely shocked they did not go balls to the walls with this what are they gonna do cancel the series?! We need full love confessions, symbiote makeout sessions, cheesy travel photo end credits SOMETHING
I really hate how symbiotes look when possessing women. Like why do they have to be skinny with boobs, why can’t there be giant muscle mommy symbiotes?
Society has not advanced to this point yet 😔 us intellectuals have to guide the rest of humanity to the light of big mommy symbiotes
Because the target audience for venom are ‘people’ who will be into the skinny big boob lady
@@koelkastridder3388yes. Big brain intellectuals who love their fat symbiotes of color 😂😂
THIS
she hulk JUST got a feral form so dont hold your breath :/
Haley do you know that in the comics, they refer to their bond as a marriage, Exclusively refer to each other as "My Love" and "My Darling", and have a symbiote child named Sleeper together.
Please tell me it’s real and if it is how haven’t I already heard of it
@@eligah1843it’s real! i’m not super familiar with the comics but there’s a number of issues that paint their relationship as romantic and even outright as marriage going back decades. there’s also “marvel comics presents 5” from 2019 which is. well. let’s just say extremely charged.
@@eligah1843it is real I own the comics and it IS in fact that gay
@@MattSaysYes all my comics are 80s comics I inherited from my dad when they were too scared to make venom as gay as he should be
hey so im going to need the exact volumes where this happeneds
The next time someone asks how I identify, my answer will be, "Very dangerous and full of science."
This might be too hot a take but: Rice is nice.
Is the science the cause of the danger, or are they separate but equally dangerous parts?
@@PhoenicopterusR Separate, but equally dangerous, I think.
i have been haunted by this movie since OPENING NIGHT. the only thing that i haven’t stopped thinking about that i have seen NO ONE ELSE talk about is how the shadowy figure watching venom and eddie from a control room (???) was like, very clearly dr. dan, right??? that was his silhouette and his voice and he’s CREDITED AS “DR. DAN” IN THE CREDITS. what does that mean!!!!! what was he doing!!!!!! i have a feeling that a LOT was cut from the final script/film because there were so many plot threads that seemed unfinished. like i have SO many QUESTIONS!!
i went to the venom panel at nycc two weeks ago and the cowriter/directed said that while venom and eddie’s story is over, this movie opens the door to OTHER symbiotes. i remember everyone in the room cheering while i sat there like, “…..okay??? i’m really just here for venom and eddie though so…….” the only thing that’s keeping me SLIGHTLY sane is that the cowriter/director AND tom hardy both said that venom and eddie have potential to return, just not in their own movie. which, again, devastating with how this trilogy ended, but at least all hope isn’t lost???? :(
it’s been a VERY rough week for a person who might have a literal symbrock tattoo on their arm (me)
I’m gonna be so honest with you, I forgot about the shadowy figure. What was UP with that
@haleywhipjack every time i think i have pondered every single detail of this movie, a new baffling memory enters my brain and i have to think, “wait a minute, what was THAT”
the money-making scheme for this movie is to make it so confounding that the real venomheads and symbrock nation need to keep going to see it to desperately piece together a happy ending for our boys 😭
I read your username as homeless-sex.
Omg thank God Eddie and Venom can still make out just in a different movie, my day is not ruined and I can be queer baited once more
I'll be honest I would kinda go feral for a Venom/Symbiote show focusing on Dan and Anne running a government sponsored Symbiote Avengers, Eddie mentoring other pairs on bonding, Venom and Eddie getting back together and becoming the leaders of the team and getting their chance to sort of have their own family. Maybe by their own means... I'm pretty sure they have more kids in the comics than just Carnage.... MAYBE.
cas and dean are still on a buddy basis by season 15. you can't escape the buddy basis
Lmao
v1ntagecassette??? what are you doing here don't you have a gravity falls fic to write???/j
SPOILER TALK - VENOM 3 AND NO WAY HOME
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It's my assumption that the entire reason to get them into the MCU for such a short time was that we see in the end credits of No Way Home that a tiny bit of venom is left behind in that bar in Mexico. So Venom isn't technically dead, a bit of him is definitely still alive. But Sony probably wants to do the Venom Spider-man story SO BAD, and this is their way of wrapping up their one venom story so they can have the other.
"4 out of 10. You should watch it tho" is hilarious to me. I will watch it, thank you whipjack
I can imagine you sitting open mouthed shocked Patrick meme in an empty cinema after the post credit scenes
that was quite literally me in thw theatre's. my local theatre is super small n there were like, less than 10 people in the screening room 💀
So... I am 99% sure we're not done with Venom.... or with Eddie.
Because we have another weird moment in the climax, where there's the one soldier that ALMOST gets eaten by the xenophage, but is still saved sans some legs. And Strickland explicitly calls that soldier "Thompson". Flash Thompson. Famous Spidey character who is Peter's bully, but also Spider-man's biggest fan. And who, in the comics, becomes the character "Agent Venom". And this is ABSOLUTELY what they are gearing up for in the next outing.
And as for Eddie... well, I'm not sure exactly HOW they are going to line this up for the movies, but I know he's GOT to come back as the brilliant comic turn as the character "Anti-Venom", where Eddie's own immune system becomes a kind of psuedo-symbiote.
If they have a Knull teaser in the Kraven movie, I'm going to laugh my ass off.
I TOTALLY missed that his name was Thompson omg that's so funny
The way this video was so validating because I had the EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE watching this movie. Venom is dying on screen, my partner is sobbing next to me, I’m like “it’s ok, Venom is in that test tube and survived.” IM WAITING for Venom to come back, the credits roll, IM PRAYING FOR THAT END CREDITS SCENE AND ITS FUCKING NULL!!!! I feel like seeing someone else losing it like my partner and I did healed me a little bit bc we left that theater SHELLS of our former selves.
They killed him off? 💀 (I didn't see this movie) That's awful.
@ yeah! The video also goes into it, but he sacrifices himself and Eddie wakes up in the hospital and the government is like “it never would have worked out between you guys. Never tell anyone this happened.” And then they play a cheesy montage and the movie ends. There’s a second end credit scene that implies there’s a small possibility Venom is alive but it’s the smallest of crumbs and kind of just feels like an insult.
THIS ENTIRELY! Shell of myself honestly at the time feels like such an understatement, and I couldn't talk to anyone about it because most people Don't Get Venom the way we all seem to and I fear social judgement lol; I'm so glad we're all on the same wavelength💖
New cat unlocked
I really appreciate the void with eyes in your lap
fun fact - Knull is the one who made Knowhere, the head the Guardians hang out in. He used the sword from Love and Thunder to cut off a celestial’s head
At least that’s how it’s supposed to be in the comics lol. Which makes me disappointed the movies can’t be connected
@ ngl i think the best move for Sony’s Spiderman IP is joining it to the MCU. They know that having peter parker references will make fanboys go nuts (fuck that was 80% of morpheus’ marketing with the remaining 20 being “its morphin’ time”), they’ve proven that venom/eddie brock as a character plays very well with audiences, and he’d fit in perfectly post avengers secret wars
Think about it, as the plot shifts to focus more on Celestials, Knull is brought up in eternals 2/shang-chi 2/Thor 5 as being some otherworldly cosmic being, the manifestation of the Void and Darkness to the Celestial’s Creation and Light - he’s in the top 10 most powerful beings in Marvel (or was til he revoked his position to fulfill his own wishes and now eddie brock is a multiversal constant) and his pressence absolutely HAUNTS the mcu. Retcon that Jon Snow’s sword is a weaker copy of the Necroblade - fuck, say it was made from a shard of Grendel - and that Gorr’s wish was designed to free Knull - meanwhile, the Dweller In Darkness of Shang-Chi looks a hell of a lot like the space dogs he used in Venom. Dweller in Darkness is Grendel, thor fought it but didnt follow up on it so the weakened variant could be imprisoned away before it could free its master.
Also based off the new(ish) rights agreement Marvel has a legit legal claim to subsidiary spider-man characters. Does sony own the rights to Venom? Absolutely. However, do they own “Venom the spider-man villain” or do they own “Cosmic multiversal power represented by Venom and Eddie Brock being the King In Black’s dual avatars?” Venom started as a spider man villain but he’s had decades to grow and become his own thinh
ok so i just googled a theater video of The Montage bc i've heard other people talking about an insane maroon 5 montage in the new venom movie and then haley described it and i was like "ok no, theres no way, it's gotta be something like ironic and fun"
long story short: it was not, and my jaw has been on the floor for 5 minutes now. this might be the most low effort yet genuinely earnest sequence i've ever seen in my life. if you haven't seen the film, please look this thing up if you want to get your mind blown
I just watched 50 minutes of commentary about venom 3 (a movie I never watched) and enjoyed every moment of it. Haley, you are one of my favorite storytellers. ❤️
Wait, there WAS a post-credits scene?! AND I MISSED IT?! Also, I don't know why they changed how Codex's work, because in the comics you get one as soon as you bond with any symbiote and it's just there in your spine
11:16 as soon as you said venom melds with animals i kept replacing the first letter of these animals with ‘v’
vorse
vrog
velephant
that’s all for now lolol i’ll check back in once i finish the video
18:15 “but it’s just martin?” martin is only 1 letter off from martian so i think he felt personally connected to aliens
Vish
vlephant
I was so confused ... and surrounded ... by maroon 5
Your videos are SO iconic and the way you phrase sentences lives Rent Free in my head
7:48 in defence of Edward Brock, crossing the United States by foot was not the original plan because of the plane which was my main confusion of the movie.
Because we saw Venom fight the alien dog and all that and then the alien dog went into the engine under the left wing. The engine blew up right? And then Venom and Eddie fall off….What happened to that plane? That plane was going down, that engine was gone. Did the plane crash??? How many innocent people did Venom inadvertently kill by being on the outside of this plane?? We never go back to the plane!
Planes can still glide without engines and it had 1 left anyway. It's not like they were over the Pacific, they were flying over the USA, which has an airport practically every 5 meters. It would just do an emergency landing at the nearest airport.
There is a throwaway line that the pilots reported the disturbance and that's how the feds caught up with Eddie at one point so everyone the plane was probably scared for life but lived!
thank you for making a venom 3 video. i didnt wanna watch it but all my gay people are talking about it
I want Her X-Men opinions like yesterday
I am so happy that someone feels the exact same way that I do after watching Venom 3. I was sitting through those credits DISTRAUGHT
I just saw venom 3 two days ago! So this is perfectly timed. And I spent the end credits looking at the screen and muttering "give me back my BOY"
14:16 DAN IS IN THE MOVIE. DAN IS CREDITED. The guy in the shadows calling Strickland is (I'm pretty sure!!!!!) played by Dan's actor (Reid Scott). Dr. Dan Lewis is credited as a character in the end crawl so like. That's GOTTA be him right??? why would Dr. Dan Lewis do such a thing?????
Oh my god I watched this last night and felt THE SAME THANK GOD.
OK The glow sticks! I said the same thing but my boyfriend (certfiably crazy about venom) said that venom probably just shared the memory with Eddie, which is why Eddie feels bad about it while "memories bring back you" was whined behind him.
The movie feels like a UA-cam fan film. It truly feels entirely disconnected from the last two movies.
We also watched a version where the dialog was 50% higher then the rest of the audio, so everyone was VERY loud. It made the movie a more surreal experience.
I wish the dialogue could be louder in every movie, cause I can never hear what anyone is saying and turn up the volume and then it's like whisper whisper whisper EXPLOSIONS!!!
buddy is the highest form of friendship I won't stand for this buddy denigration
I feel like you would enjoy Malevolent based on this video. Also-very surprised to see a void with eyes in place of Hermes at the beginning. Very cute void.
Real 😂 Symbrock and Privateyes are two of my favorite ships, as long as you can handle horror highly recommend!
Venom is the best psychological, psychotheoretical, psychotherapeutic and psychoneurotic outbreak
Finally a Venom movie review that is by someone that REALLY GETS the appeal of the Venom movies/is in my lane of how to consume the venom movies
Very happy you used the "Like some kinda FLOOZY" moment as your preview clip, that was an absolute trip to watch at work 😂
Nah not a good enough end-credits implication, can’t believe we’re still burying our gays in the year of our lord 2024
The podcast Malevolent might fill the hole in your heart, 1930's detective and a cranky demon possessing his eyes 👀👀👀 my condolences for your Venom loss 😢
I dunno if they ever go for it but I sure ship the hell out of them as well.
Ooh I've been looking for a new podcast thanks
Omg Malevolent mention
Malevolent mentioned!!!! ❤
YESS Malevolent mention!
I didn't even know about Venom 3 before the pitch meeting, and yet... It's the gift that keeps giving.
The opening scene of Eddie in a bar ties into the mid credits scene from Spider-Man No Way Home (2021). It works as a bridge between the end of Venom Let There Be Carnage (2021) and the start of Venom The Last Dance (2024)
yes! I also wanted to comment this- Post credits scene in Venom 2 → post credits scene in No Way Home → beginning of Venom 3
oh so now i got homework and it's a movie they promised was an entirely different universe /lh
@@mayas3422 WELCOME TO MARVEL! it's hell /lh
One of my biggest peeves with the movie is that I am like 90% sure that the other symbiotes that were kept in area 55 are supposed to be some of Venom's children from the comics (like the pink ponytail symbiote is supposed to be Agony I think??) but it doesn't make any sense for them to be Venom's kids since the only child Venom has in the movies is Carnage. They could've just had some random symbiotes but instead they had these really confusing almost-Venom's-kids-but-not-quite symbiotes and it left me so confused the entire time I was in the theatre and on my way home.
I am convinced they only put Rhys Ifans in this movie to definitively confirm that these movies are not set in the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man universe
I watched it this weekend with literally 3 other people in the theater and I also sat stunned by the ending. I didn't even stay for the last credit scene because the mid credit scene was simply too upsetting slash a whole lotta nothing. I love your unseen post movie roadtrip movie, I am absolutely accepting that into my headcanon
30:54 possibly the best use of that reference I have ever seen. I still can't breathe.
I just got into the fandom. I watched all three movies for the first time THIS WEEK. Went from the high of Venom 1 which is so relatable as someone who is autistic. Into Venom 2 which continues to be relatable and now I’m projecting onto Eddie and Venom and then in Venom 3 they kill off my autism. I want my autism back, give it back, I’m a husk of myself now.
this is the vibe i bring to parties, specifically about the 19 second scene in the marvels between valkyrie and carol danvers
I haven’t watched the movie. I have no intention of watching the movie. Let’s go.
The montage felt so insulting. Like they just didn't finish the movie and made a PowerPoint level string of clips of the other movies. There's no way that was the intended way to end it, I refuse to believe it
haley being on the literal verge of tears while talking about how eddie & venom are good with kids has ME in tears
im 2 minutes in, i have never come across this channel before but the way you talk about this forsaken movie has me instantly captivated. THE PASSION, THE AGONY, THE PAIN. im a general fan of venom and a casual enjoyer of the first two-ish movies, i put the third one to play recently and 2 minutes in im like oh god i havent slept enough to comprehend That.im so excited to draw while watching this
Thank you, now I can gaslight myself into thinking that the cafe ending you made up is what actually happened at the end of the movie
Did I have to pause this video to look up venom frog…yes. Was it worth it 10000%
Saying this because I learned it recently, but Lichtenberg figures are not actually permanent scars, they fade within a couple of days.
another horrible thing about The Montage is that as eddie looks at the Statue of Liberty, he is the most put together and happy we have ever seen him in the whole trilogy. The implication, to me at least, is that eddie is better without venom. Which is honestly tragic.
Given the little bit of symbiote that escapes in the end credit scene and the fact that Knull is the guy who made Knowwhere - plus with the Beyonder/Secret War bullshit…
VENOM AINT GONE BABEY!
Knull as a villain is really fun to me, he’s a step below Celestials, far and above Galactus but he’s just a Silly Little Guy
Except for the fact that Sony was absolutely relying on this movie doing well as a bargaining chip to force the MCU to let them hold Spider-Man hostage and force all their horrible movies into the MCU. But every review I’ve seen for this movie has been… incredulous at best, so Sony’s best bargaining chip is gone which means they’re probably just going to have to let Marvel do whatever they want with Spider-Man or give up on the MCU entirely which will involve recasting Tom Holland and starting from scratch.
The Dr. Paine backstory could’ve worked with a shift in perspective. She used another lifeform, though unintentionally, as a protective shield. She doesn’t view the relationship between the symbiote and human as symbiotic, she believes the symbiot doesn’t deserve to be made to be a shield.
Her compassion for a lifeform routinely seen as a tool is influenced by the lightning strike, it’s not complex but it’s better than “boy died so sad girl with no dreams takes his”
but idk I i haven't seen the movie
Just a few corrections:
One: I believe knull made the symbiotes and then they turned on him and trapped him. So venom doesnt lnow of Knull, venom KNOWS knull.
Two: only VENOM has the codex so it wouldnt worked with the others.
Three: the pink symbiote with the pony tail, Agony i believe is her name, that's just her design. It wasn't because the human had one
He would know Knull. How would he not know who made him?
@@o.m9514I think they mean he’s not just aware of Knull, but rather he knows him personally because he was there when the Symbiotes turned and imprisoned him
Oh hell yeah, Haley Whipjack video just as I’m about to make cake pops, i absolutely needed something to listen to while I bake!
Recovering from dental surgery and I desperately needed something for my brain to focus on that ain’t recovering. Thank you, Haley!
I cant believe that Eddie and Venom kiss for realsies
39:15 No joke, I had an idea for a fanfic where this exact scenario happens after the fire in the first movie way back in 2018 and my first thought after finishing this movie was “well now I HAVE to finish that fic”
I kept forgetting what year Venom 3: The Last Dance came out, thank you for continuing to remind me throughout the video Haley
i love how the void is just looking at us while you talk
FINALLY MY FAVORITE UA-camR IS BACK
The purple pink symbiote is called "agony" and them and another one "scream" (not in the movie) both have hair.
I think thats just for them tbh most others dont and its like how there were symbiotes in the movie with, no legs, with spikes, with weird magma arms, steong arms what ever
They all have things others dont have
I just wanted a polyamorous Vegas wedding episode where bc of the weird dogs (minor characters, knull doesn't exist, get domesticated and become Mrs Chen's guard dogs in the post credits scene) venom has to possess Dan and (in order to change Eddie's name, in order to avoid the cops) has to marry Eddie in Dan's body, and they write Anne's name in as well bc shes part of this family too (I will accept her not being part of this movie only if everyone talks about how much they love her the entire time)
I’ve never seen anything Venom, but I will watch this video 😂! Haley’s very fun and great at explaining things, so I’ll stick around
mary janes symbiote is the only one with a like slay ponytail hair in the game too ... im sure for ... no reason also
a character being named knull is so funny in norwegian cause it means fuck
So glad I am not alone in being heartbroken about this movie
Okok hear me out. The sapphic scientists form a throuple with the lightning symbiote. Nonono this is good listen: Rosie Letterkenny gets closer to the other one whose name I've already forgotten by like...truly grokking her tragic history and it becomes something they can share, but it's a contrast to that first fatal experience so it's healing and empowering. Oh oh and they can like...fuse like some combination of the power rangers and Steven Universe's crystal gems. Giant woman made of scientists and symbiote.
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The most shocking thing you said about this movie is that Andy Serkis played the villain. Never has Serkis been more wasted.
Im just gonna assume that for some reason main venom dying nullifies the codex so when lil venom reunites with eddie it wont create the codex again (unless eddie died and venom brings him back again)
I was gonna watch this movie when it came out on streaming, but honestly seeing Haley cover it is probably gonna be more interesting
I saw Venom 3 on opening night as part of kind of my bachelor party sorta thing and now one of my favorite creators makes a video on it? Sign me up!
i really like the part in venom 3 when eddy and venom make out on screen for 45 mins because that was real and not a fanfic i wrote when i got home after seeing venom 3
love the void sitting in your lap
Listen, i knew i was in for A MOVIE^tm when the dr lady, in a flashback, said "my twin brother, the future nasa scientist" right before he died, PEAK dialogue
thank you for voicing all of my distraught thoughts leaving the theater after watching venom 3 because I cannot stop thinking about how it was just Like That in such a way
YES!!! THIS EXACTLY!!!!! i went to see it the day it released as well, along with my grandad. we were both so excited for it and really enjoyed it for most of it but were both really confused and disappointed by the ending. it kinda ruined the rest of the movie for us! it really felt like the whole movie was building up to an entirely different climb and ending than what we got.
I'm so happy to hear that your brain is back! Excited to see what you make next :))
haley, i sat in that theater after they turned the screen off. i just needed another crumb, just a little taste 😭😭
"The worst thing you can find in a zombie apocalypse, a room full of mannequins, just like at any other time."
I didnt know this before you said it but i know it soo deeply in my bones now.
Hope everyone's doing okay
A new cat appears! Also I love a good rant on a movie that I know I'm not going to watch because I wouldn't like it
HALEY'S BRAIN IS BACK LET'S GOOOO
i feel like i got hit by a truck with the back to back maroon five, and then post malone/morgan wallen collab… i cannot BELIEVE
I just saw it today, I went into expecting to be devastated and I got what I wanted. It was perfect to me, the only downside is I wasn't given my best girl symbiote Scream. All I ever wanted was Scream
ALSO THE PINK PONYTAIL SYMBIOTE IS A REAL SYMBIOTE FROM THE COMICS HER NAME IS AGONY SHE JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT. A MAJORITY OF THE OTHER SYMBIOTES ARE ALSO FROM THE COMICS AND ARE CANONICALLY VENOM'S KIDS. THE LIGHTNING POWERS IS WHAT SHE DOES IR PROMISE. HER AND SCREAM HAVE SYMBIOTE HAIR ALSO SHE'S PURPLE
someone I follow on tumblr was going through it over this movie and finally I know why
Thank you so much for talking about this!!! This scratched the itch in my brain that this movie left
i have zero interest in venom but i love your content so here i am!
Swear to all the gods I thought this movie was like 2 hours to 2hr 15 learning it was less than 2 hrs legitimately shook me LMAO
That entire last chunk REALLY dragged I think
Canon/lore nerd here, I have some good but kinda bad news for everyone, This most likely isn't the last time we'll get to see venom.
As we see at the end of venom 3, Eddie seen looking at the Statue of Liberty, which is in New York and in the comics, venom is a very well-known villain for Spider-Man and a subsidiary villain of Knull, the dude who wants to get the cotex from Eddie and venom.
with Eddie being in New York and Knull saying "your champion has fallen, your planet will be mine, the king in black is awake i will kill your world, everyone will burn and you will watch" in the first post credit scene, then in the second post credit scene (yes, there are 2), the bartender from the beginning of the movie emerges from a hole leading to area 55, he calls out to search for survivors when the camera pans to a cockroach crawling toward a shattered glass tube reminiscent of the one used by Rex Strickland to capture a small bit of venom left on the coin at the bar in beginning of the movie. It is highly theorized that in the next Spider-Man movie Eddie will be present and Knull will b the villain for Spider-Man, where venom will make an appearance.
While nothing is confirmed, of course, this is all in the comics, and as we all know, the MCU loves to both deviate and take material from comics, though with all this evidence... i think its safe to say this might be the last solo venom movie, but not the last time we'll see venom on the big screen!
I fully buy into the conspiracy that the original leaked script with Riot as the main villain was real and what this film is comes entirely from trying to change things last minute to set up sony's Knull plans
The Adi Shankar Venom short with Ryan Kwanten as Eddie Brock will forever be my #1 Venom film ever created
Okay this is a long one but I wanted to discuss every point cause it seemed like fun, I hope that's cool with you
1. The jumping in and out of the MCU was the post credits of Spider-Man No Way Home, essentially how they explained there being a Venom in that universe, so I guess they felt they needed to awknowledge it in some way
2. I don't have something for this one, I think they just wanted to give Agony (The Symbiote) lightning powers somehow though the doctor's name is a reference to a Venom comics villain
3. Yeah they really dropped the ball on Knull, in the comics he is a terrifying elder god, the creator of all symbiotes and has a cool black knight armor look with a red spider symbol, Venom and Eddie fight him for the crown of the planet Klynthar with a giant axe, it's sick
4. Maybe this one is just me but I felt like all those times Venom mentioned living a life together could have also be read as ways to refer to the fact they didn't end up with Anne and everything was chill for all three of them and Dan, obviously that also work with just Eddie and Venom being together but Venom at the end says he's sad he didn't get to see "her" when he sees Eddie being sad and scared and then quickly goes "Lady Liberty" like I know he really did mean The Statue of Liberty but it could be read both way you know?
5. Yeah I watched it dubbed in spanish cause I live in Mexico and they still referred to it as Area 51 when they went underground so I don't even know what that one was about lol
6. I do think Venom's characterization was consistent through out but yeah as much as I love the dance scene that was pretty stupid of Venom to do (Also I don't have anywhere to put this but Rhys Ifans also played The Lizard in The Amazing Spider-Man, and I like his character and his family and the relationship they built with Eddie and Venom)
7. Multiple Symbiotes through out the comics do have hair like tendrels (Including one I'll mention on point 11) and Agony was one of the first to do so, I imagine most of the others in the movie didn't cause they were all original ones (Though the yellow bulky one resembles Phayge from the comics)
8. I thought the death was done pretty well, the idea of using acid to fully desintegrate the evil knull dogs made sense since they can regenerate but showed no signs of being able to recreate themselves out of nothing, it was sad, that last goodbye was emotional. Also if I'm not mistaken the Codex is only created if the symbiote and the previously death host are bonded on full symbiosis (The only Venom and Eddie were confirmed to be linked that way, even fully working symbiotes don't technically count as Cassidy and Carnage weren't in full symbiosis which was part of how they ended up being beaten in the end of Venom 2)
9. I'll admit, I liked the montage, having Memories by Maroon 5 was a very funny choice, showing the Venom coming out of the closet scene that Eddie was not there for was funnier, but I choose to believe they someone melded memories at some point and he's just remembering a time Venom was accepted and happy
10. Yeah this would have been cool if:
A. This Knull was interesting in anyway in this movie, and
B. If the Sony/Marvel movies outside of Venom were actually good and could have led into Knull being like their Thanos
11. Now this might be a bit of a downer but I don't think the Cockroach is actually Venom. Symbiotes pieces seperating more often than not lead to other characters being created rather than the piece simply being them again, that's technically how Carnage came to be in the second movie, and only one Venom related symbiote which keeps his black color scheme in the comics is Mania, who is Mania? Essentially Venom's daughter, a symbiote with short tendrels that resemble short spiky goth hair that fights crime, so in a way, Eddie and Venom did become parents
Also in the first movie they mentioned that Eddie was basically kicked out of New York which is how he ended in San Francisco and I assume how he knows about the shady guy that's supposed to get him out of trouble, so him going back to New York with a brighter perspective on life after living with Venom does have a small bit of poetry to it, I do like the idea of the cafe ending though, that would have been beautiful
7/10, it could have been better but I think it keeps the consistent quality of the trilogy which I appreciated it, would watch again
I found your channel from this and have now watched many videos including the shrek one twice. Looking forward to your content 😄
I watched this video with my amazing bisexual mother and she went on the longest rant about why eddie and venom should have fucked in the flashback scenes.
Exactly my thoughts. I also was convinced at least a post credits scene would give clousure. But nope. Idgaf abt a "hint" I want reassurement that both will be tgt again and Venom isnt dead. Its the last fucking movie goddammit. I also sat there in shock at the theater. More than sadness I feel rage 😣