The Colle System, Lecture by GM Ben Finegold

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  • Опубліковано 15 січ 2025

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  • @cmdrfun
    @cmdrfun 4 місяці тому +17

    I first read about the Colle in Irving Chernev's "Logical Chess Move by Move" a long time ago. It was the game Colle-Delvaux 1929. I was sort of amazed that White could make a bunch of moves seemingly without regard at all for Black's moves and then go on to crush Black with a kingside attack. I played it for a while but not really anymore.

  • @harveybrant3352
    @harveybrant3352 4 місяці тому +38

    The Colle System as played by Colle himself is rarely seen at the highest level nowadays, but Ding Liren actually used it to beat Nepo in a World Championship match last year.

    • @SenatorBluto
      @SenatorBluto 4 місяці тому

      Wasn't that a London?

    • @harveybrant3352
      @harveybrant3352 4 місяці тому +5

      @@SenatorBluto He won with a London in Game 6, and also won with a Colle in Game 12.

    • @DominickDecocko
      @DominickDecocko 3 місяці тому

      Ding loves cock n ball torture confirmed.

  • @Rubrickety
    @Rubrickety 4 місяці тому +57

    I like to play the variant where I instead put my knights on a3 and h3: the Border Colle System.

    • @gieaudio8762
      @gieaudio8762 4 місяці тому +3

      Ihahaha, I love it! :)

    • @alanmay6172
      @alanmay6172 4 місяці тому +1

      That was the daddest dad joke ever

  • @answeris4217
    @answeris4217 4 місяці тому +2

    Always a great day when I see these lectures thank you

  • @Re2OnlyMove
    @Re2OnlyMove 8 днів тому +1

    I love the Colle! Simple positions where experience is key.

  • @Sitbear
    @Sitbear 4 місяці тому +107

    I play this system against low-rated players and kids when I want something even less exciting than the London

    • @Sahand.nasiri
      @Sahand.nasiri 4 місяці тому +12

      Booo!

    • @smort123
      @smort123 4 місяці тому +2

      I dont see the problem.

    • @thinboxdictator6720
      @thinboxdictator6720 4 місяці тому +4

      if you want something less exciting than london,just watch paint dry.
      this is actually better than london.

    • @vigilante8374
      @vigilante8374 4 місяці тому +8

      Only if you play it that way. You can go nuts with a kingside attack basically whenever you want unless black defends well. It's only boring at the topmost level when players can defend perfectly. It's so silly that people pretend that these openings are inherently boring played at the below 2200 level. Just because the action doesn't happen on move 3 doesn't mean the action isn't gonna happen.

    • @Sitbear
      @Sitbear 4 місяці тому +5

      @@vigilante8374 Evidently you’ve never heard of tongue-in-cheek statements. Let me explain: if I really thought the Colle was boring, I wouldn’t play it.

  • @beeble2003
    @beeble2003 4 місяці тому +9

    "I didn't know FIDE existed in 1926!"
    Only just! Founded July 1924. Can't say I noticed the 100th anniversary...

  • @pepperwestwood
    @pepperwestwood 4 місяці тому +17

    22:00 “we’d like to play f3” oh the sacrilege

    • @ProjectHMF
      @ProjectHMF 4 місяці тому +4

      😂

    • @jogzyg2036
      @jogzyg2036 4 місяці тому +5

      THE TRUTH HURTS

    • @ehannan83
      @ehannan83 4 місяці тому +1

      35:37 "always kick the knight out with f3"

    • @answeris4217
      @answeris4217 4 місяці тому +2

      Never play F3...but he's a GrandMaster so rules don't apply to him

  • @loosekanen
    @loosekanen 4 місяці тому +13

    Absolutely shocked that this lecture wasn't sponsored by Grandmaster Ken West.

  • @bolovanvalentin1937
    @bolovanvalentin1937 4 місяці тому

    Thank you very much for video GM Ben Finegold !!!

  • @tunac2816
    @tunac2816 3 місяці тому

    Colle system was my first opening introduced to me when I was a kid. I used it to beat all the kids but couldn't beat the adults coz they kept using anti-colle opening and the only way to fight that was to transpose it to QGD but I didn't know QGD at the time. Thanks for reminding me this opening and the memories of playing it.

  • @jogzyg2036
    @jogzyg2036 4 місяці тому +4

    8:24 Most colle players don't want an isolated pawn because isolated queens pawns are far too exciting. Not passive enough.

  • @blackmar-diemer3793
    @blackmar-diemer3793 4 місяці тому +3

    Soltis wrote a book called something like winning with the colle stonewall torre system. This book helped me win a lot of games againstr high rated players. I tried al lthe systems and I still try them the stonewall has given me the best results in otb tournaments. I play d4 because I don't like playing the sicilian every other game as white.

  • @Mark8v29
    @Mark8v29 12 днів тому

    As a beginner of 12 months, and after 10 months of puzzles and 2 months of learning from Silman and then a little about openings, I'm struggling to find and learn an opening I can cope with and enjoy. Jabava London .... Scotch Gambit .... now trying something similar to Colle but out of book, and having some success against the computer which I'm guessing doesn't like out of book play.
    Last year I also watched Sophies Choice for the first time. An unusual and memorable movie indeed! The acting also is stunning.

  • @robertsweeney1162
    @robertsweeney1162 3 місяці тому

    Great video. Nice commentary for those beginner to intermediate players

  • @ykonstant
    @ykonstant 2 місяці тому

    That last game was spectacular.

  • @ChessStudentChannel
    @ChessStudentChannel 4 місяці тому

    Fun and educational, thanks Ben!

  • @bigwiffychess503
    @bigwiffychess503 4 місяці тому +6

    I play in this system a lot but I suck, I’m curious to see what the finegold says about it

  • @MrIAMpeanut
    @MrIAMpeanut 4 місяці тому +3

    Its sad that edgard colle died tragically young (only 34) in 1932, he was ill most of his life. Interestingly colle was an early user of alekhine defense too.

  • @emilpietras4428
    @emilpietras4428 4 місяці тому +2

    Go Ben!

  • @jonahzieske8834
    @jonahzieske8834 4 місяці тому +2

    I just KNOW that’s a new shirt.

  • @jonziegler6538
    @jonziegler6538 11 днів тому

    Is it not pronounced "Cole "? I believe Koltanowski stated that was how it was pronounced? Just wondering. Great video!

  • @bjgodby
    @bjgodby 4 місяці тому +1

    I would love to know what brand of shirt Ben is wearing, my wife walks by as I was watching and gave the obligatory "You should have that shirt"

  • @mmmyyykkkeee
    @mmmyyykkkeee 4 місяці тому +2

    Go Edgard Jerome Bettis Colle! You're the bussed!

  • @bertwestera1007
    @bertwestera1007 3 місяці тому

    I knew that final game, and indeed: it is featured in Euwe's serie Theory of Chess, specifically in the third book on playing the middlegame dealing with attacking the king. So GM Ben was wrong: I hád heard of the player with black in that game, but he was also right, since I had forgotten the player's name...

  • @jackanderson719
    @jackanderson719 4 місяці тому

    The colle is a good and useful opening. I enjoyed the games in this vedieo. I first learned about the Colle from a vedieo susan polgar made and that was helpful. For anyone who likes this opening there is a book titeled the Dogs of war. That book is full of Colle games.

    • @OsbornsConcise
      @OsbornsConcise 4 місяці тому

      That’s a fascinating way to spell video

  • @atwarwithdust
    @atwarwithdust 4 місяці тому

    I can't even make a Colle stay.

  • @BrokenZen311
    @BrokenZen311 4 місяці тому +1

    35:39 but I thought never play F3? Audience is confused.

  • @smejmoon
    @smejmoon 4 місяці тому +1

    46:33 Ben missed that Nf7+ forks bishop as well. Terrible!

  • @aarongifs
    @aarongifs 3 місяці тому

    i like your shirt ben!

  • @Aizen343
    @Aizen343 4 місяці тому +3

    I will play the J.Cole system when i'm playing: make a move, regret it, resign and leave the drama for other players

  • @petargadev6630
    @petargadev6630 4 місяці тому +2

    Hell yeah😎😎

  • @LordBrozart
    @LordBrozart 4 місяці тому

    I feel like the stonewall attack is just a better version of this opening

  • @tong_thanh5837
    @tong_thanh5837 4 місяці тому +1

    When everyone pronounces his name as Koh-Lee, I wonder which language that pronunciation is derived from as I've been saying his name as Koh-luh instead

    • @answeris4217
      @answeris4217 4 місяці тому +1

      If anything in my mind the E would be silent. Colle is the French word for glue and the E is silent there. And many words in English the E at the end is silent.
      But there's maybe a reason why it's pronounced like that but I have no idea why.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 місяці тому +2

      "Colly" isn't derived from any languate at all. As he was Belgian, I'm not sure if it should be pronounced as in French (kol) or Flemish/Dutch (koll-uh, I guess?).

  • @aarongifs
    @aarongifs 3 місяці тому

    bd1 was classy

  • @Dracoon34567
    @Dracoon34567 Місяць тому

    There is no reason why d4/Nf3 followed by the quiet e3 should be any strong or dangerous at all.

  • @mrsandmanxj9
    @mrsandmanxj9 4 місяці тому +5

    3 pawns down rook ending not good

    • @answeris4217
      @answeris4217 4 місяці тому +4

      That's why he's a grandmaster...and I'm not.

    • @Sahand.nasiri
      @Sahand.nasiri 4 місяці тому +3

      I should write that down i always forget

  • @georgeking3513
    @georgeking3513 4 місяці тому +2

    Guys if ive been playing chess 7 months and i am rated 1400 is this good or ?

    • @Sitbear
      @Sitbear 4 місяці тому +8

      According to Reddit, you should be GM in about three years.

    • @nikonyrh
      @nikonyrh 4 місяці тому +2

      On which website?

    • @knightdreamer81
      @knightdreamer81 4 місяці тому +2

      Why does it matter to you what people think? If you want to get better then study. If you want to stay the same then do nothing.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 місяці тому +3

      Can't really tell just from a rating. The thing about chess ratings is that they're not a measure of strength: they're a measure of performance within a particular pool of players. That means you can't just say "1400" without saying where you got that rating, because, e.g., 1400 FIDE, 1400 USCF, and 1400 on ten different websites mean twelve different things.
      Having said that, I think 1400 in most places would correspond to a decent rating for a player with only half a year's practice. It seems good. How good? I dunno. But not "bad" and not "amazing". It sounds like you have some aptitude for the game, you're avoiding basic mistakes and probably punishing basic mistakes of your opponents. If you enjoy playing, keep playing. If you enjoy studying, study and you'll get better. At the beginner level, tactics puzzles are probably the best way to improve.

  • @TheRealMortyII
    @TheRealMortyII 4 місяці тому +1

    I'm pretty sure Ben is just making up rules as he goes... 🤔🤔

  • @derhonk6270
    @derhonk6270 2 місяці тому

    "Weakly sponsored lectures?" :P

  • @danjeory3659
    @danjeory3659 4 місяці тому +1

    skjalskjflsdfjskjdflaskjdf. Etc.

  • @CrispyKorn
    @CrispyKorn 4 місяці тому +1

    Boredom Colle

  • @VARMOT123
    @VARMOT123 4 місяці тому +2

    When is the Arjun erigaisi ,-great players of the present video coming up ?