Comparing Flat Pedal Mountain Bike Shoes
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2022
- These days, there is no shortage good flat pedal mountain bike shoes on the market, but that wasn't always the case. For a long time, many of the alternative to FiveTen were quite underwhelming, but in recent years the competition has caught up. While there's no way I could try all the shoes that are available on the market, I have tried a ton of different options from FiveTen and Ride Concepts to Etnies and Unparallel.
All the shoes in this video are shoes that I've used for a decent amount of time.
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I was pretty disappointed when Adidas took over Five Ten, they ruined my favourite climbing shoe and approach shoe. But you might find it interesting that Unparallel are actually the original people from Five Ten and that's why their rubber is so damn good.
WAIT REALLY? if this is true, I do find that interesting. To the googles!
Update: I found this
"Unparallel were founded in 2017 by former Five Ten development and production boss, Sang Lee. Lee, amidst Five Ten’s Adidas takeover and ensuing switch to Chinese production, took over and restored Five Ten’s discarded Redlands, California shoe manufacturing base. Here, he assembled an A-list team of ex-Five Ten climbing shoe gurus, with over 20 years of experience, to conceive - at the time of writing - the newest name on the climbing shoe market, Unparallel." Source rockrun.com/blogs/the-flash-rock-run-blog/unparallel-brand-profile
That's very cool, thanks for the information. :)
@@SkillsWithPhil No worries! I thought you'd find it interesting. I found out when I looked through their climbing shoe line and they looked exactly like the old 5.10s, then went digging.
I bought some addias terrex with Stealth soles,,,didn't last as half as much as my FiveTen Impacts....FiveTens for mtbing and Addidas for walking I reckon..Ha !!
Five Tens now run smaller than the old ones. Not as wide.
Hey Phil this info is Gold!! Your knowledge about the subject is incredible! I love my FiveTens!
Phil, you really know your stuff and as a weekend warrior on the trails, I really appreciate the in-depth info about MTB skills and gear. You, Berm Peak, and Kyle & April are godsends to us casuals.
Thanks for the depth bro. You actually mentioned 3 shoes that were on my mind, and you helped guide my decision making. Cheers!
Im missing the good old five ten when they were made of real leather and stiched solid. They last five seasons at least. Adidas messed up by changing them with cheaper materials and glue. Now a days, most bike shoes barely last two seasons, and end up in the landfill. It’s a shame!
Thanks for this video - it's a really comprehensive guide to the things you have to take into account when choosing a shoe.
I've recently started trying to add soles to MTB shoes myself, both because of recent problems with the availability of good shoes, but also because I hate the idea of throwing away a relatively new shoe because my pedal pins have quickly torn up the rubber sole. I'd bought an expensive MTB-specific shoe (Giro) which managed to combine hard, non-grippy rubber with fragility - the sole tore through very quickly and was effectively ruined after a few weeks of riding.
I've done a few experiments and I'm now very confident that I can find a way of patching torn soles so that they perform better and last longer than the original. This is what I've learned so far: (1) To attach a sole patch, I've had great success using a construction silicone adhesive called 'CT-1.' (I'm in the UK, but you will be able to find an equivalent in your country via a Google search.) I degrease and abrade all the areas to be glued with sandpaper, and once stuck like this, it stays. (2.) I've bought 3mm thick rubber sheet from Amazon to use for the patches. This works brilliantly in terms of grip - your feet do not budge, however they are very fragile, so the rubber is badly torn up after 10 rides or so. (3.) Another problem is that this is completely smooth rubber, so you have vitually no grip when walking - not good if you need to get off your bike on steep muddy trails.
My next experiment will be to cut up some old mountain bike tyres to make new patches. These will hopefully keep you planted on the pedals, last longer and (if I fix them so the grip-side is down) should provide decent grip when walking around. Apart from not having to throw away otherwise-perfect shoes, this will also be a way of making use of old bike (and maybe car?) tyres, which currently just go to landfill.
I'm so happy that you've gone through so many of the shoes and talked from your personal preferences. It's unusable when reviewers are saying these are the best shoes based on arbitrary measures and numbers. So thank you. Helped me decide which to go for.
Thanks for the honest and experienced-based review. Like you, I am a show guy, and also like you I wear shoes for purposes and expect them to perform. Based on this review, I've ordered FiveTen Freeriders for riding my hybrid with clips and straps.
This was an awesome overview! I'm a newbie and really appreciate this. Thanks!
Phil! You're ALWAYS a pleasure to watch! ♥️
I run the 5 10 Trailcross Mids. I absolutely love them, the higher ankle support, flat pedal shoe, and the neoprene sleeve around the ankle keeping dirt and pebbles out is absolutely perfect for how I ride.
Shoez with Phil! thanks for the in depth reviews!!
This video is great. It is mid winter in Vermont and I am preparing for the next riding season. It is also time for new shoes. I have some Five Ten Freeriders and they have been great but my feet do get tired on long or technical rides. You review seems pretty unbiased and provides some good options. Thanks.
Awesome video Phil. Great information!
Great vid. Very informative for those without much experience with this topic.
Another advantage of flat pedals is that its easier to get back on when you're on steep terrain. Also, 100% agree about skate shoe aesthetics. I'm currently wearing 5/10 FRPros for proper rides but I'm a big fan of Es skate shoes for casual wear (and ride) purposes.
I have fairly narrow feet so it limits my options but I'll defo be checking out the Etnies.
very professional my dude. killed it
Great video! I just ordered a pair of the livewires and can’t wait!
Love my Carver 510's, they were my first MTB shoe's. With all the padding they are great for the cold, wet winter rides!
oh wow, yeah!!!! the best video and most honest, real info about shoes coming from someone who has years of experience and has tested options. I feel bummed as well cause I also purchased the crankbros stamp boa shoes and love the boa and fitment just hate the soles and how my feet come off. used 510s free riders before and never slipped a pedal. also noticed the crankbrothers soles get even harder and less grippy the colder the weather gets.....what a bummer for such a neat shoe. also used etnies for years when skateboarding and always loved them, I think I will for sure be trying a set of etnies as my next mtb shoe and keep 510 close to my heart!
I’m liking the cleaned up look (beard trimmed and short hair). Also thanks for the info on mtb specific shoes.
Nice video Phil ! Timely for this guy.
Ecco track II boots - Work, play, night on the town, and mtb.
Rented an mtb on vacation recently with the modern flat pedals - so much better than the cage pedals that came on my bike. I suspect a pedal upgrade will at least equal mtb shoes- both are in my future.
(P.S. only pair of bike shoes I’ve owned and still have are my wood soled Duegis - purchased used in 1980 and ride them on my road bike with toe straps. Unless, of course, I’m wearing my boots. )
love the videos man keep up the good work
a perfect buyer's breakdown for the details that really matter! thank you
Excellent comparison Phil, good to hear your thoughts on the Ride Concepts vs Unparallel, the two I've been considering to replace my Impact Pros. Hadn't considered the Etnies but look to be a good option as well
1st time in my life I've watched a 20 min video about MTB shoes! 😄👍
As a result I just removed from my Amazon shopping cart the Crank Brothers shoes...😋
Thanks Phil for the advice!
Brilliant review !
Excellent video. Very informative.
Thanks Phil, very informative video. I am also super picky about my riding shoes 😀
Great info. Thanks for making this video.
cool review Phil! Skateboard background here, so I got 510's Freerider from the start but the darn things just won't wear out! Got them since 2018. I just recently saw those Etnies on Tom Cardy's channel, very cool!
An mtb video about shoes..?! Only Phil could make that interesting and enjoyable 🙏🏼
Gotta keep it classic. I ride with vans chukka mids with plantar insoles. Awesome ankle support, grip, and arch support. Keep shredding 🤙
Some time ago I switched to flat pedals on my hardtail mtb. Since I previously only used shoes for clipping in both on my mtb and a racing bike I didn't have mtb specific shoes for the flats. Unsure of what to wear and with a limited budget at the time I tested whatever was at hand. I quickly realised that my running shoes didn't feel right at all and tested a pare of relatively new safety shoes instead.
The safety shoes are actually much better than I had hoped and have never failed me. I like them since they are very stiff and they have proper grip on the flats I use. Feel free to call me a weirdo but I regularly use these on my local trails. Works like a charm!
I’ve been riding the Etnies Marana Cranks for a few years and very happy with them. I haven’t tried any alternatives because I have no complaints, they look good and stick well to the pedals.
Watching this video made me go through my own shoe inventory... turns out I have a pair of Five Ten Impact Pros I don't think I've worn yet. When I'm not running clipless, I have two pairs of Impacts I rotate through. Low top and high top. And a pair of Impacts I've had for close to 20 years, but are still in good condition.
Yes - Impacts do seem to collect trail debris. In the winter or when riding DH, I mitigate this by wearing riding pants that are long and have enough of a cuff they cover the tops of the shoes.
My first pair of biking flat pedal shoes were a couple of pairs of AXO mid tops. Racing in the Northeast, I learned having two pairs of shoes for wet races was a good thing to have. I still have these, but the toe protection is lacking, so they were retired some years ago.
Thanks a lot! Perfect vid for me. I tried a lot of shoes, loved the 5-10s impact and I'm lazy with shoe lacing aswell ^^ My RC TNT soles did only last 4 a year, so I'll try the Etnies. Hope their soles are more durable than the RCs.
Thx a lot again! Ride on 🤙🏽
As a person who also skated and now rides in Etnies, I'm happy to hear that the Culverts are a good shoe. Will definitely give them a go.
Great content! Thanks for the info.
I‘ve had the previous generation of the gr7 (the clear blue ones) for around 3.5 years and they’ve been quite good grippy enough for my taste (I haven’t tried any 510s yet) with a stiff enough sole and I haven’t experienced any issues whatsoever. Since I’ve ridden them with the exact same pedals for nearly all of the 3.5 yrs of ownership they have some rubber missing where the pins rested on the sole but they still work like a charm and they doesn’t look beaten up just the cords but they provided another pair in the box
As yet another person looking for an alternative to 5.10 this is a great resource. I like the fit of the FR Pros (roomy toe box), but never liked the revised dotty pattern.
I tried Ions which have a great sole, but are too narrow for me, and just picked up a pair of Endura flat pedal shoes. Probably going to order some Etnies now to compare. Thanks for the review.
this realy helped me thanks phil
Interesting stuff Phil 👍
I never had MTB shoes for awhile and then I started riding about every other day with my new bike and got biking hot foot. Bought some 510s and that stiff sole and wide toe box is a dream! Thanks for the vid man!
my feet are so wide 510’s have a tight toe box :(
Rad vid 👍
Fun trip down memory lane with all the old five tens 👟👍
I'm now on the RC's, probs won't go back to five ten
I’ve always loved my vans for grip but never thought about sole thickness. You have really put it into perspective by saying foot getting tired, which I never related to my shoe type and always related it to just riding. Going to look into those Etnies thank you
Try the Vans BMX Old Skool; much more beefy soles and outsoles.
I also race BMX and also used to wear clip pedals doing BMX and wore flat pedals when dirt jumping and mountain biking. But USABMX cancelled flat pedals for 12 and under. I enjoy flats a lot more its easier to save your self when you almost fall. I love your videos, keep it up :)
Love my ride concepts i have the same red and black ones i also have a set of newer 5 tens and i rarely use them 🤣
Great vid as always man 🤘
Dude, your speech sounds seriously improved, have you been doing something or is it just the progression of the videos? Good on ya!
I have a pair, I can confirm that they’re the best MTB shoes I’ve ever had and I’ve run 510s for years and have tried Crankbrothers and Ride Concepts. The Etnies have similar grip to the OG 510s and are much more durable. Plus, coming from a skateboarding background I’m pumped to be back in Etnies!
I wear etnies too. Not just my MTB shoes, which I love, but many of my other pairs too.
The new specialized 2FO roosts are also worth a checkout for five-ten competitors
I've heard they are a huge improvement over the first generations. Hailey had the originals versions and didn't like them, but recently got the ride concepts wildcats and seems to really like them.
The new specialized are incredible I've tried every other brand. They are the best hands down the stickiest.
Seconding this. I got the 2FO DHs and they are great. Like a lighter version of the Impact pros.
I also just got the 2FO roosts and really like them, but I don't have much to compare them to, tbh. Would love to hear your thoughts on them Phil!
These super solid, stiff, grippy, and very good looking!
Those Etnies are sick I was checking them out at Snowshoe. Plus Etnies did the RAD collab this year so I'd like to support them.
Good video. I'm similar to you in the sense I don't like retying shoes. I added X-pand laces to my RC Hellions using their quick release version which you see on some hiking or trail running shoes. They have been working great and elastic so they expand to help get in and out of the shoe easy, but still stay snug when riding. Also curious to see what Ride Concepts has cooking up right now since it seems like they are offloading everything in their stock. It worried me that maybe they were maybe going under, but they assured me they have new models coming soon. I may give those Etnies a try in the mean time as my friend just picked them up and enjoys them too.
i had my eyes on the culvert mid for so long, and i just knew it the moment i saw them that i had to buy em. Now you pushed me over the edge Phil!
I’m on etnies now too I really like how much room my foot has
Hands down,feet down,the best video on the subject.
I have Impact Pro. Phil is 100% correct they are heavy but Awesome, mine are 4 years old and still rocking, they have also saved me from broken toes on a few occasions.
I love my Ride Concept Livewires but you’re spot on about the laces! Snapped mine after 2 weeks and put in some spare Adidas running shoe laces and still going strong a year in. I find my 5/10s are dry weather only as when wet weigh a ton and take forever to dry.
Got the same and they are fantastic. Shoulda contacted RC about the laces. I had an issue and they were happy to replace and make me happy. Even sent me slides!
Really great info and thanks for the comparison. I’m new to sport after 20 years of being out of it. Any chance you can make a video that talks about safety equipment (knee/elbow pads/helmets) to be wearing while trail riding compared to downhill bike parks.
I just picked up a pair of culverts and can’t wait to test them out. I’ve been wearing Sleuth dlx since last spring and not only are they great for DH, bike park etc, they are amazing when you stand on concrete floors 40hrs a week. I hurt my ankle early this past summer and wanted that extra bit of protection, so I went with the culverts
Also, check out shadow conspiracy insoles. They give you impact protection and sole stiffness so you can use skate shoes as bmx shoes. They are slightly thicker, so would work best in a more spacious shoe
Great to hear you like our shoes Phil!
Good stuff Phil, i have many of those shoes as well and about 60lbs heavier. I never find the soles too thin an issue and the thickies give me vague pedal feel.
Hard to review (recommend) the feel compared to grip, toe protection, durability, laces etc..
Hey Phil, awesome channel man! I live on Beech Mtn f/t and my 12 y/o son practically lives at the resort biking and skiing. We also short term rent out a private guest suite at the house that's 5 mins from the resort. If you ever want a free weekend in exchange for shredding a few hours w/ my son, just let me know. He'd love it and I'm sure he can learn a ton from you. All the best!
I've been on Ride Concepts now for a couple of years. Best shoes on the market for me... trail and enduro. I never had a problem with the laces. I'm riding the Powerline and the Wild Cat and they're all Half Price right now for the 2021 models. They are doing a complete re-design for 2022.
Thanks Phil, so helpful. I am on the look out for a cold weather shoe that is as wide as possible. Would love to hear everyone’s thoughts.
Great video! I have struggled with finding a good flat pedal MTB shoe. However, I found the Harsh Arabica to be an amazing shoe for the money. Only $22 from Big-5 and have lasted two years. Stuff sole has grip and wears well
I looked those up, the sole pattern is identical to Mike Escallima's signature Etnies Rooftop model. I used to BMX in those and like them quite a bit. I might actually be wearing them in the photo at 2:47 www.amazon.co.uk/Etnies-Rooftop-White-Taille-Trainers/dp/B005BBXVC2
This was very informative. I'm in the market for new shoes. My Five Ten Freeriders are getting to the point my feet are getting fatigued from trail riding through tech. Thanks for the info 👍
Hey, Phil. Since you're a GT rider, have you considered getting back on a BMX bike? It'd be cool to get your input on BMX bikes and how you would set them up for races. And do BMX tricks
Great video. I too tried the Crank Brothers. Their fit was awesome and I wanted them to work, but the grip is terrible. I'll try some of those others. Five Ten's good for now
I have some Astral Rovers that I am going to try out this year. I have been using their water shoes for kayaking/rafting and these Rovers are new last fall. If they don't work, I am def going to check out the Unparallel.
My first time buying a propper bike and kit was a few years ago, went FiveTen and definitely don't regret it 😅
This video is much appreciated 🙏 I currently have the crankbrothers shoes and have had the same issues as you. I have been thinking seriously about buying the pearl izumi but the etinis were also on my list. Thanks again!
Basically anything by Fiveten, Ride concept, and shoes using Michelin rubber such as the Etnies culverts will be safe. I've heard good things about the new Specialized 2f0s as well from people I trust.
@@SkillsWithPhil the 2fo dh has a nice thick sole and is stiff. It's comparable to an impact pro, but lighter. I am a big fan. My feet were cramping in RC Hellions and I switched to the 2fo DH this year. They are a solid option.
I love my 5 year old free rides , i also have the contacts. Which I like and use for gravel rides mostly, they fit a little tighter in the toe then freerides
Love my Etnies Culvert Mids, prefer them over my 510’s
100% agree with the velcro strap, I hate lacing and unlacing so being able to loosen the strap to put the shoes on is perfect!
Did you order the same size as your fivetens or is the fit slightly different
@@toddj7960 I went true to size with no complaints. I'm a bit flatfooted as well
I would say keep an eye on Unparallel. Some of their engineers/team are from Fiveten and they started making their own shoes after Adidas took over the Fiveten brand. As a rock climber I have loved Fiveten, but it definitely hasn’t been the same since the company was bought.
came here to say the same. 5.10 have gone downhill since adidas bought them (for climbing at least). unparalleled was started by a bunch of 5.10 engineer and designers that wanted to to keep working when they moved the 5.10 hq from CA to germany.
Agreed. I'm honestly not a fan of Adidas which has been the motivating factor to try to find alternatives. I also just learned that the product designer left 510 after Adidas and took a team with him to reopen the original 510 factory in cali. Sounds like their heart is in the right place and that means a lot.
Bro thank you i know someone who likes to ride in pumas thank you you just saves him
i run the 510 freeride pros whorth every penny went from vans to them. best upgrade i ever made
I've been riding the Vans BMX line, currently the Cult BMX Old Skools, and they have been killer
Just sharing my experience so far after riding about 8months, up to ~40 miles a week of single track. I started out with the FiveTen Sleuth which were OK, but have a very slime and not so stiff sole. They also started pealing/delaminating at the toe within 5/6months. Most importantly to most of us likely; offer very little protection against impacts. This is a very soft shoe, especially after breaking in and weathering.
Next I tried the FiveTen FreeRider (reg - not pros) and they are not comfortable at all for my feet. There is no arch support - practically no ergonomics or support for the form of my feet. My foot is essentially on top of a flat board, which results into hotspots and pressure points, fatiguing my feet 30mins into a ride. I'd also add that the lacing tension has to be exactly right everytime, or else pressure points and numbness will start to arise in the middle of a ride due to circulation issues. Two good things that I can't skip over is the fact that they're definitely stiff and offer plenty of protection against impacts.
Now I'm currently awaiting the Ride Concepts Hellion Elite to arrive and will give those a go. Kind of wish I knew about the Etnies before hand but got the RCs like 50%. My search for a good and comfortable MTB shoe continues.
I'm happy see so many people sharing their experiences. Thanks for taking the time to write this up. :)
Top 5 @ 18:30. wanted the Unparallel, probably getting the etnies for the toe room or the RC.
Great video! I bought the pearl izumis and they were really poor cycling shoes. The rubber is really touch and the shape isn't conducive to gripping pedals without center pins. I bought another pair of new balance skate shoes and they're still my favorite
I have some ES Kelly Hart skateboard shoes I use in drier weather, make all my MTB shoes look like rubbish. If the weather is bad I still have some original 510 impacts that keep my feet dry, I don't tend to get out anywhere in bad weather recently as my riding partner who drives keeps chickening out. And anything a bit more urban and I get the sweet vans out, they are a bit more the 80s suede trainer type rather than the canvas basketball shoe and they feel like wearing slippers.
It seems a shoe with a really soft and thin-ish rubber sole and a stiff midsole could be interesting.
The thin rubber would keep the shoe light and the midsole (maybe fiber-reinforced) provides stiffness and protection.
Phil thanks for the comparison video! I've been in the market for 6 months buying and returning shoes and it's such a PITA. I was a fan boi of 510, but Adidas is slowly killing the brand imo. I had surgery on both feet and require a wide toe box to be comfortable. How is the toe box on those new Etnies? Currently I'm running: RC vice mids (too flexible), Sam Hill Impacts (favorite so far but break in is crazy), old Danny Macs freeriders. Oh you can stiffen any shoe with carbon fiber inserts. Found a pair for $75 on amazon
Personally, the Ride Concepts Wildcat is easily the best shoe I've used to date. It's a high top, has a stiff, sticky and durable sole as well as a very robust toebox. Everything you could ever want in a shoe. As well as that, I'm personally a huge fan of how they look, even with the velcro strap
I road bmx for years my go-to shoe was the vans half cab pros. Durable and good grip. Before that it was etneis and audios lol
If you haven't checked out Sheperd Mountain in Ironton Missouri, you should it's a lot of fun. Also it's new.
so funny the home shopping network 360 degree shoe angle.
Just got back in to riding after lots of years 😂 I got 510 free rider shoes for Christmas and like the way they feel … I went for a ride with stock pedals and had a bunch of slip issues… one being downhill and at that point I lost all confidence… next day I got some Chester pedals for my bike so I don’t break a leg next ride … figure I will most likely get clipless pedals after I wear out these shoes … I rode clips for years but with getting a new bike and not riding for years I didn’t want to just jump in to clip pedals
line kings look rad!
I would suggest the sppecialized 2fo roost shoes they are by far the best shoes I have ridden in. i don't know If you can review a specialized product due to your GT sponsor but hey. Its the best I have tried.
I'm still wearing my 2016 five ten freerider elc (it's basically a freerider with a velcro strap) and even if they're born for downhill use they're pretty good even for pedalling
I'm undecided between the 5.10 impact or the latest etnies coverts
first MTB shoes i ever got was the Karvers. still got those chunkers
Love semenuk pro shoes, I use them dh, Enduro, everything, super comfy
I know this is a stretch but I think a lot of people would love to see another Bolton Valley skiing video.
I have a similar experience with how short soles of FiveTen's live. I have no issues with getting a few holes in my cheaper "summer" shoes and riding them for a while after that. But for winter, more expensive Freerider Pros, getting a hole means they let ice-cold water in. And that happens long before the upper part of the shoe starts showing any signs of wear. Adidas has stopped selling Stealth rubber in sheets, which means re-gluing a new sole is no longer an option, unless one buys Vibram sheet rubber instead. Gluing the holes with shoe goo helps for about two/three rides until the pins eat their way through it. Sadly, for the next winter I had to buy a product of another brand.
Dude, haven't watched your videos in ages! I just wanted to blurt out that your public speaking has noticeably improved since I've last watched one of your videos.
Love my Ride Concepts! Coming from skate shoes (I'm still primary a skateboarder/downhill longboarder), I thought they felt really stiff and thick. Now that the break-in/adjustment period is over, I love them! I love to feel the ground through my shoes but I'm coming to appreciate the padding, especially since I ride a hardtail 😂
Wear my vice mids for everything from BMX freestyle to DH racing.
I know a lot of BMX/DJ riders prefer to have a bit more flex and pedal feel out of a shoe. I don't mind that myself if I'm riding in a skatepark, but once I get on my FS bikes I really appreciate the damping qualities out of the gravity shoes.
nice you did the work for us. Afton Shoes makes probably the best looking bike shoes if choose to go that route.
Also for the Etnies, I have wide feet, do they cater to that? the reason why I am stuck on Five Ten is because they actually fit feet comfortably.
Phil you should try the fiveten sleuth dlx shoes, they are my go-to shoes when it's not super wet or muddy.
Nice skate shoe style and mega comfy with the great grip you expect from fiveten.
I have a similar collection and similar impressions, although I strongly prefer high tops cause I have weak ankles. I just got the pearl Izumi and have been loving them out here in dry California, but sounds like i should use something else in the wet. Really like those etnies, but gotta wait a while before I get another pair