Reference Link CSAP - character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System VSBW - vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System Edit. Subtitles would be added in 10-15 minutes
It is nice video. In my opinion, math is the archetype of all fiction. So every characters powers should be compared by using mathematics. But, I have two points which is about the opposition to your opinion. 1. Tier 12 is not well-defined. Our reality is 3-dimensional spacially, and 3+1 dimensional as space-time continuum. So 11-A~11-C are represented to 2~0 dimensional things. And in VS Battle Wiki, reality-fiction transcendence is assessed as just as one-dimensionally higher than the object. Thinking contrary, Just fiction in fiction can be just 2 dimensional thing. But because the space in fiction is showed easily, it can be assessed as more inferior than 0 dimension. What I want to say is this: It needs more clear definition to use the term, tier 12. It is very nice concepts to think about characters like SCP-2747 or 3143, but it needs more arguements and discussions. 2. There is some misconceptions about Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal. Speaking simply, Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal does not 'break' axioms. It can't exists in ZFC, but also defined large cardinal axioms. Berkely cardinal and V=Ultimate L are both suggested by Hugh Woodin, who is the docter at mathematics. There is nice paper about it which I want to recommend: ht3tp://logic.fudan.edu.cn/doc/Event/2018/logicweek/woodin2.pdf Because of censoring link by UA-cam, I added 3 at link. By using ht3tp as http, you can see it. I want it to be good for your understanding. Additionally, It is the ranking about things you said as beyond tiering/pinnacle of tiering system: 0. Tegmark's type 4 multiverse 1. 0=1 2. V=Ultimate L, Absolute infinity(you did not say about it, just my opinion) 3. Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal EMR looks like type 4 multiverse, but I think it is not mathematical but philosophical. It needs more academic informations to be used in VS battle logically. These are some points I wanted say to you. Againly, thanks for good video!
I think when VSBW says Inaccesible cardinal. They meant Inaccesible cardinals of dimensions. And when Csap says you have to transcend concepts to become a certain tier like outer. I think they meant the Conceptual Dimensional "Space".
This video was extremely well made and well explained, I also like how you compare the two tiering system while giving both of them credits and not being biased towards one another while giving a good and detailed explanation as to how both tiering system works.
After watching this I realised that the super strongest anime character that i became in my dreams was just amount to to the dust in front of these monsters 😂😁
Thank you so much this video helped me figure out what tier my d&d campaign with my friends characters are at tier irrelevant Beyond the tiering system
I would love a video in which you breakdown the beyond boundless tiers in decent detail. :) Could you also clarify how certain cardinals/infinities work?
@@theredmagician5591 Correct. But Anti-principle is just statement. There's no scaling, feat or cosmology involved in that character. People just believe it's strong, and so it does.
Project FM, I would like to see a literal drawn out cosmology based off of this video’s explanation. What will a verse look like to you, based on this video’s tiers?
It's funny how I come to the same conclusion when I use the Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9. It's the very same but without mathematical limitations.
I assume the dimensionality of concepts is verse-dependent. Like, if a verse is capped at 3D, the concept is 4D or higher depending on what's specified or not. This is all just speculation from me.
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Outerversal is just generally nonsensical. There are like 137 different definitions for it and almost all of them are inconsistent and don't make any sense. Most power scalers don't even have consistent views on what they perceive outerversal to even be which doesn't help its case. Not to mention that it's really just a buzzword lol, people throw the word around without even knowing what it means. This character does this? They're outerversal, this character does that? They're outerversal.
Murphy's law being a tier 12 is weird example because while fictional he had a nasty habit of hijacking stories of dimensions higher than him and turning them into Noire plots which technically made him meta fictional. Personally I would have gone with SCP-423 , the self inserting character or SCP-085, a hand drawn Cassy. Both are fictional but atleast they can't mess with higher dimensions.
Murphy's law is below fiction yet can flatten even 3D fictional characthers. At base, he is 12-A, but can also be much higher, at least 9-C level as he can flatten any human being
@@nyoesman_channel Depending on what SCP Murphy's Law Feats are... I don't know that SCP too well. If he's a Meta Narrative Character, then that makes him a 7th Dimension of Existence character... Ability wise. He may have the power but if he's still a normal human, then it's just his power that's 7th DE. Akin to Kumagawa in Madaka Box who's power is 8th DE at the level of Rebirth Dr. Manhatten + higher. But only his power is at that level + some things All Fiction cannot do. Despite, him being a normal human in every way, outside of All Fiction and Book Maker. Compared to Madaka, who is 9th DE, as her billions of Hax can scale up to Type 1 Omnipotence. (This isn't the same mathematical dimensions being spoken of in this video. That is the Infinite Dimensions which caps from 1st DE up to 6th DE. While Zero DE and 7th DE to 9th DE are beyond mathematical scaling.)
Soo if you just say any random character trancends phisicality/mathematics that would mean they are irrelevant layers beyond tiering? Also what about reality level
Not sure for Mathematical Scaling. But for the Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9?... Transcending above physicality and mathematics is either Zero Dimension, 7th DE, 8th DE, or 9th DE. Depending on the context. As for Reality... I require more context. Reality Benders are within the range of 2nd DE up to 6th DE, traditionally. Meta Narrative Characters are 7th DE while all Souls are 8th DE by default. 9th DE is Omnipotence/True Boundless. Zero Dimension is unique as it is Origin. The same dimension in which the Akashic Records was designed from... The true home of Omnipotence, Omni Types, and Omni Factors.
This is where you messed up in the video at the Tier 2 range of the tiering system you can still be universal+ if you destroy a infinite 3-D space as long as it's a space-time continuum meaning destroying an infinte 3D universe as long as it's the entire universe itself as well as the past, present and future within that universe and it doesn't have to be exactly a 4D universe/structure the reason why i say this is because in Tier 2-C the low multiversal range it would be inconsistent to say that you have to destroy finite 4-D spaces that ranges to anywhere at 2 - 1000 universes because if a character destroy 2 - 1000 3-D universes it would scale nowhere if you have to destroy 2-1000 4-D universes so it would be consistent to say that it can be either 2-1000 3-D or 4-D space-time continuums.
Your point is 4d has no tier and your saying it should belong to 2A(high multiversal) because it would be inconsistent, for it to jump from 3d for high multi into 5d for low complex leaving 4d no space for tiering?
Powerscalers when I just state that my character is tier 0 (his greatest feat is just destroying a universe, but I said it and I created the character)
That is the 4th wall, as any characters that can interact with non fiction breaks the 4th wall (not instantly make them 4th wall level). Cookie clicker's bakery breaks the 5th wall in the narrative which is a world "real"-er than us, so 5th wall level >>>.... 4th wall level beings like us. I imagine beyond infinite and cardinals wall beings will be the Supreme ones.
@@nyoesman_channel The Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9 is the proper way to put it for the Omniverse. But it's not really for power scaling. Omniverse meaning... Both All Fiction, Non Fiction, and Real Life. Zero Dimension... Being Origin, the true Home of Omnipotence. 1st Dimension... Low End Singularities. 2nd Dimensions... 1st Plane of Physicality and Space Time. 3nd Dimensions / Extra Dimensions / Infinite Dimensions on the low end... 2nd Plane of Physicality. 4th Dimension... The Prime Timeline. 5th Dimension... All alternate and parallel time lines. 6th Dimension... Seeds of Origin. 7th Dimension... Conceptual Existence. 8th Dimension... Soul Existence. 9th Dimension... Omnipotence. Formerly known as "Beyond the Boundary" / True Boundless. Nothing is beyond the 9th DE as all Core DEs weave into each other and return to the Zero Dimension. And just because Souls are naturally 8th DE. It doesn't mean every Soul is 8th DE in terms of power. While the "multiverse" can exist in 2nd DE Low End Multiversal up to 6th DE High Complex Multiversal. Mainly because of Physicality Planes being involved. Everything else are akin to branches on a tree until you reach 7th DE and excluding the Zero Dimension. Zero Dimension is unique as it is the original home of Omnipotence. Origin, as it is known. Since 9th DE rivals Zero DE, second to those directly from Origin.
Tier 12:Flatversal This tier pertains to characters who can create/destroy or affect the whole structure of a lower-dimensional universe, or lower layers/levels of reality.
I do have a question about tier 12. What if a verse's cosmology is based on narrative layers, where beings on a higher layer view the characters on lower levels as fictional? Example for such verses would include Unwritten, Umineko and even the SCPverse. What if there was a verse of which most of the characters are casual planet busters, but then later it was revealed that they are just fiction to a higher being? Would that mean that they belong in tier 12?
I actually have a universe in mind that reaches High Outerversal level+. It’s called an Ultimate Universe or Hyperordinal Universe, which are universes based on Ultimate Operations (A formula in maths that I created that is the closest representation of True Infinity). The formula is: U = (U(U(U…U(♾️)…))). U at base value equals to H♾️(♾️,♾️); with H being known as hyperoperation (‘a’ is the base value, while ‘b’ is the number of transcension over each other in towers). A hyperoperational infinity (H♾️) is basically the same as inaccessible cardinals since the entire operation is basically unsurpassable to any infinity. With this formula, the Ultimate Universe would be High Outerverse Level+ due to its self-transcendental nature as well as making any inaccessible cardinal very little or tiny, as it’s forever transcending itself autonomously, having endless universes with the same properties, as well as even being bigger than any other transcendental universe. So, destroying this Ultimate Universe or being completely above it would make any character boundless in nature, depending on the context, but boundless if they are truly above it. Also, please remember, Ultimate Operations is NOT anywhere else, so this is the only time you’ll ever hear about it.
My version of the tiering System: Small Atom Atom Large Atom Low Hypoverse Hypoverse High Hypoverse Below Average Human Average Human Above Average Human Street Wall Small House House Large House Small Building Building Large Building Small Town Town Large Town Small City Block City Block Large City Block Small City City Large City Small Mountain Mountain Large Mountain Small Island Island Large Island Small Country Country Large Country continent Multi-Continent Moon Dwarf Planet Planet Large Planet Dwarf Star Star Large Star Solar System Multi-Solar System Galaxy Multi-Galaxy Low Universal Universal Universal+ Multi-Universal High Universal Low Multiverse Multiverse Multiverse+ High Multiverse Low Complex Multiverse Complex Multiverse High Complex Multiverse Infinite Complex Multiverse Low Hyperverse Hyperverse High Hyperverse Low Outerverse Outerverse Outerverse+ Medium Outerverse High Outerverse Extreme Outerverse Absolute Outerverse Low Metaverse Metaverse High Metaverse Low Omniverse Omniverse High Omniverse Absolute Infinity Boundless Above Boundless Beyond Boundless Above Scaling Beyond Scaling
@@max-ii5jy It's like what Project FM said, different Cardinals can take you into higher levels of Boundless and if you read VS battles wiki you can see that Boundless can be modified to be even higher.
with anything over tier 1, what really makes any character objectively more powerful than the last? they are all capable of instantaneously doing whatever they please. i say the word "boundless" is just fine as long as their feats back it up and they dont use fallacies. all the mathematical jargon that barely 0.01% of the community really understands (and do they really if they claim to?) seems unnecessary. just say theyre boundless. it works for me
That’s exactly why it is the way it is in the first place. Power scaling isn’t about defining strength. But just having your character capable of beating up everyone else’s characters. That’s why it’s so complicated so that not everybody could do it, and people who care way to much about this can say they have the strongest character.
@@R.W.P. The Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9 is much simpler but more complex as it deals with Existence rather than mathematical measures. I could confidently place characters where they actually should be placed at, provided that I know of their Feats.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 all dimensional scaling deals with existential measures. Even so how would that make it complex? You said it yourself if you know the feats you can easily place them in their respective categories?
I think the reason that tier 12 does not exist is because some fictional worlds within fiction within fiction are counted as the base world and follows transcendent tiering. But I think if that character is truly fiction stated by the story to not be some sort of magical world it could work
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28:48 - end of video. so that means the void shiki apophatic theology scale doesn't make her the strongest in fiction? I was just about to ask that if could you make a video about that apophatic theology shiki scale because more people have believed it and using it as an argument that shiki > fiction, because I think it would be an interesting topic.
Hey can you answer me something, So if a character who lives within, for example, a simulation and transcends the simulation Ending up in the "real world" Where would they scale (I forgot to add this) What if after transcending the simulation they still had their powers?
Cuz if they ascend to the real world the scale would just repeat itself. If a boundless character in a stimulation ascended to the “real world”, they will just become the normal scale in that world. Basically if they become the same power as a human in the “real world”, they will just be human level 2.0
@@ParaBeamwr No, if a boundless character ascends to the "real world" they would just travel upstream to a higher layer of boundless, from 1 into 2nd layer of boundless
I have a question: How does Type 4 Multiverse give you an advantage against dimensional characters? What does a Type 4 Multiverse do to Dimensional characters?
The only problem with this video is that terms like irrelevant layers existing an type 4 multiverse being boundless or having layers beyond tiering or wrong the rest is good
Project FM, in my opinion, isn't it more sensible if Boundless is the 1-Inaccessible Cardinal? As it holds the inaccessibles below it as an unbound set, or to sum it up, it holds normal inaccessibles akin to how normal inaccessibles hold alephs (Alephs being outerversal layers.)
Oh are you saying there should be layers/sets to the inaccessible cardinals like alephs? I suppose that would make sense, but that’s what other cardinals are for.
@@fw_rhetorical other cardinals are so massively large, scaling Mahlo to be one hierarchy above Inaccessible is a blasphemy. Mahlo is hyperinaccessible, hyperhyperinaccessible and so on, until there are around κ many hypers, and iirc its also a limit of such cardinals. Hyperinaccessible is being κ-Inaccessible, and Hyperhyperinaccessible is κ-Hyperinaccessible. Meanwhile, 1-Inaccessible already views Inaccessibles akin to how Inaccessibles see Aleph numbers.
@@nzqarc as Proyect says there are tiers beyond tier 0 and scp cn upscales this tiers and Supreme Author is very strong that I Am That I Am shows difficulty
@@nzqarc but where are talking this tiering system, not CSAP or VSB. Here are tier beyond 0 and World of Darkness also upscaled Tier 0, Supreme Author is the second strongest character on fiction so it is no sense to say just Tier 0 in this discuss
@@laurenmatius There is nothing above Tier 0, it's literally the category were the best of the best sit. No point in creating another tier just so that 2 characters can be in it
Is VSBW seriously the best source you could find, other than many other infinitely greater sources like Omniversal Battlefield Wiki and Top-Strongest Wiki?
It's certainly possible to use multiple websites to reach a conclusion. Here's a few examples of popular characters. Goku across most websites stay consistent at 2-C tier. Anos from 2-C to 2-A mostly. Rimuru same as well. Sung Jin Woo from tier 5 to 1A. Now we have obviously have a problem as throughout multiple websites, he's not consistent. So all in all, you can use multiple websites for information, if they all saying the same thing it's more likely to not be false than if one said this but other said the opposite.
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@@airconditionaire Even with that Infinite years of training fannon thing, it only makes him Outerversal or lower since OPM has not demonstrated any Mathematical scaling besides Terra 2 which makes him low-1c and is mostly pure destruction feats.
W Video However I Have A Few Questions: 1. Where Is Infinite Layers Into Boundless? 2. What About Scaling Failure? (From Your I Am That I Am Video) 3. Does Csap Extraversal Scale Higher Than Vsbw Boundless? 4. What Tiers Do Ocs Get? 5. Does Inacessable, Immesurable Or Irrelevant Layers Into Boundless Make Sense? 6. After Beyond Tiering System Does It Go Directly To Beyond Irrelevant Layers Above Tiering? 7. What Tier Is Cantor's Absolute Infinite? 8. Is Mathiverse Beyond Tiering System?
I think I can answer a few of your questions. 2. They did talk about scaling failure which is at the near end of the video where he talks about beings who are above irrelevant layers into beyond the tiering system(I AM THAT I AM being an example of such a character) 7.Cantor’s Absolute Infinity scales to High Outer in VSBW 4.OCs that have NO VERSE they originally belong to like to/an OC made for a fandom like for example, an SCP OC would be put at below tier 12/below any and all tiering.
From no.2 i can answer that in simple terms, The Power scaling broke with just his mere presence alone and needs Update just to scale IATIA cause he cant be scaled(For now)
I get you and debate people alot that say I'm being dumb when I say impossible or controdiction or illogical things can exist in fiction cuz how I see it but they want to be all law of logic this and that very fun arguing but gets lame and boring
Old vsbw Doesn't scale anywhere unless there are alephs 2 amount of dimensions New vsbw Doesn't scale you anywhere if have r>f or qualitatively superiority then low Outerversal
@@INFINIX-2503 no the new one is like Low Outerversal : Von Neumann Universe character level or Above Dimensions Outerversal : Beings residing in a higher Existence High Outerversal : Marginally higher than the previous mentioned, or another higher Existence than Outerversal. High Outerversal+ : Multiple Layers of higher existences and realities.
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Boundless Means You Cannot Be Bound By Any Concept Take Note Boundless Does Not Mean As Infinity, No Limit, Unlimited Boundless Is Basically Beyond Limit Scale And Beyond Tiering System Or Beyond Tier 0 Are Layers Into Boundless And Cardinals Are Big Maths
Boundless tier is a tier and beyond 0 tier is the tier above it. It's literally as simple as that Cardinals are basically counting numbers. They dont represent a value, but rather an amount. For example take a set that contains the numbers 1, 2 ,3, 4. The cardinality of the set will be 4, since there are 4 numbers, and so 4 is a cardinal number. Large cardinals are certain infinite cardinal numbers that have some specific properties. To be a large cardinal, a cardinal must be larger than omega- x (with x being a number). Omega is an ordinal. An ordinal is a number that represents order, instead of value or amount. Just think about 1st and 2nd. They're ordinal numbers. 2nd isnt necessarily larger than 1st, it just comes after 1st. Similarly, omega is an ordinal number that comes after every single natural numbers. This doesnt mean that omega is larger than all natural numbers, it just means that omega comes after them. After omega is omega+1, then +2, +2 and so on.
@@darkgod6983 by "powerful", I'm assuming you mean "consitency strength". If so, then not really. Von Neumann universe or axiom of constructibility are not the stron axioms. The strongest axiom currently are rank-into-rank cardinal axioms. Also, ultimate V=L isn't an axiom, it's a conjecture, so it doesn't count. By "limitless", do you mean "infinite" or "surpassing everything that exists"?
@elitecamerabuddy You misunderstand, powerscaling dimensions do not concern time but rather are geometrical. Take for example a 2D heightless square and a 3D cube, you can stack an infinite number of the squares but never get close to the cube because infinity times 0 is still zero. Think like this but now put it to 3rd dimensions and 4th dimensions. You can stack an infinite number of cubes in a hyperplane but never get close to constructing a 4D tesseract. There is nothing special about the fourth dimensions and above that make them relevant with time, the logic I used in example 1 goes to example 2 and so on.
Great video, though I do have a few minor things to point out. 5D is part of low complex multiversal in VSBW, High multi+ not being a thing under that system. As for high hyper, while it was correct for VSBW, it wasn't for CSAP. CSAP'S high hyper includes all infinite levels of dimensionality. VSBW's outer tiers would fall under CSAP's high hyper tier. Thus making the difference between low outer and high hyper under CSAP roughly the same as the difference between high outer and boundless under VSBW.
So Which Scales Higher?: V=Ultimate L Conjecture Or Reinhardt And Berkeley Cardinals Also Why Does V=Ultimate L, Reindhardt And Berkley Cardinals Scale Higher Than Tegmark Type IV Multiverse, And Extended Modal Realism?
But fiction is made by the thoughts of living beings which needs some energy to create in the first place. Which makes fiction might actully be higher or lower than tier 11 since energy does exist in a higher dimensional than 0.
Nope, the energy which is generated for creating fictional works is completely possible only because of a 3d being, it by itself has no existence, no energy and no nothing, compared to lower dimensional beings who still have an existence even if they don't have anything else, fiction is a lifeless construct, in a fight between a lifeless being and a living being, by default the living being would be given the victory
Existence of cardinals needs to be proven first in order to reach the pinnacle of powerscaling. Either that way or with the others which are : - Proof of Modal Realism and Extended Modal Realism - Proven Type IV Multiverse and proven Set Theory. - All types of cardinals up to Axiom 0=1 and ZFC Set Theory. Higher cardinals like Reinhardt and Berkeley need to be proven in order to get even higher than the pinnacle of powerscaling. In other words, breaking the tiering system.
Is it still right if I use axiom inaccessible cardinals for infinite set of universes which scales a multiverse base line boundless and apply that to infinite multiverse scaling it to one layer boundless as a narrative and if were to say 1 narrative + infinite narratives would it automatically scale infinite layers to boundless?
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True. I Can confirm. I have (Horribly) written a character that soloes 99.99999999999999999999999999% of fiction (While still having enough personality that it makes them not a mary sue, the Character doesn't exist for a power fantasy where they can fulfil all (just some) fantasies they want, they are made to suffer [Just enough so it matters, but not enough to make them unecessarily edgy] (And make others suffer ["Others" being people and Characters I personally don't like the actions of: Such as the Random Power Fantasy Characters of Ao3 that are against consent {I'm looking at you "Viasmos"}]). But not entirely made for suffering or else that would make them an Anti-Sue or another Type of Mary sue [The Overly Edgy Character]. Which would be worse than having a generic mary sue power fantasy char [Some Edgyness is good, but put too much of it and it becomes horrible]) and no one will ever read the story because i'm not dumb enough to actually post it and make people read through my horrible writing.
@@indecision3835 yea, I used to write stories of eldritchian horrors when I got inspired by the idea of H.P. lovecraft til this day I haven't even finished it yet and will never publish it due to the fact people are just gonna find a way to 1up it despite my own characters there are just more so for the horror-esc theme despite how terrible they are written, they still have those high-plane existance of power type of shit and in addition, I made it also kinda make them interact with real life in some sort of way like how I make those that seem "to interact and change the course of the story" but despite that, I am just a dumb commenter that does shit for the funny and horror
Tier-13 could be any being which cannot exist in any reality, or fiction of any dimensionality, perhaps not even being able to be conceptualized in full, not because it’s beyond conception but because it is beneath conception, it simply does not and cannot exist. Im not sure what logical fallacy would result from this definition for tier 13 besides perhaps circular reasoning whereby arguing that Tier 13 can’t exist thereby confirms the definition of Tier 13 as something which can’t exist but this doesn’t really seem to be much of an issue because any system which is used in a self referential manner eventually results to circular reasoning at some point, its just a matter of if the circularity has substance to it or if it is empty. In this case I would argue Tier-13 has logical substance because by the definition I have provided it confirms itself even when we attempt to disprove it and not just when it’s attempting to support itself.
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@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 either im not understanding what your point is and how it’s relevant to My comment or you’re just a troll looking for me to get worked up, but honestly I don’t have any personal stake in any of the verses you mentioned so if it’s your goal to troll its not really gonna do much for you lol
@@someoneonyoutube8622 in that case, Tier 13 would've been "Null" level, synonym to non-existance or have no degree or record of existing in the first place
@@nyoesman_channel or at the very least recording tier 13 can be paradoxical. And of course there can be different levels of tier 13. A character who is a five sided square circle or any other such logical impossibility that we can conceptualize as unable to exist might be tier 13a wheras something we can’t even conceptualize due to its impossibility might be 13b or 13c
@@someoneonyoutube8622 so i guess what you mean is something like for example negative dimensional "- amount of D" will fall in tier 13-A? Also if that's the case, i guess all the "non-existence" or Null stuff I've mentioned so far will also fall in 13-A, cuz at least we had the concept of it to not being exist... i guess??
This scaling is even hard for me to understand. i don't think people normally will understand this. Remember the fact that 77% of people sucks at Maths and they think who can solve BODMAS questions right are in remaining 33%. Only 23% will get my joke 🤣
@@zirotsero6951 Now I Understand No Need To Explain 0=1 Was Confirmed To Be High Hyperversal In CSAP And High Outer In VSBW Also Same As Ultimate L Conjecture, Khabbalah, Absolute Infinity
it also the other way around in VSBW due to the law (Mathematical Superiority) that he has said. Thus like term like (Beyond concept of dimension and time, etc...) will be regarded as lower than Mathematical scaling term that is in it same range. So if a character stated to be beyond concept of time and dimensionality it will only be considered as High-Hyper in VSBW.
@@blizzard1198 that like saying Absolute Infinity should be beyond scaling because it is Absolute Infinity. Everything need a proper context you can't just name drop everything and expect your verse to be strong
@@DJ1125katus I never mentioned anything like that, I'm simply saying that you saying vsbw>csap or conceptual scaling simply because you prefer maths, the gap is too huge and it doesn't give continuity is incorrect. Also my point with aspacial atemporal statement was that outerversal is not purely conceptual as even a mathematical multiverse contains it. Not only that, these abstract mathematical objects or structures are what define the physical reality or they are all these dimensions manifested from.
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Well obviously if they’re real then they basically views our world as fiction effectively and can change it however they want. Which puts them above even real world concepts and above fiction and us.
Reference Link
CSAP - character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System
VSBW - vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System
Edit. Subtitles would be added in 10-15 minutes
Thanks project FM
Thank project fm your the true goat debate first
Hypothetically by new science view, Multiversal is possible and exist so Universal to highest realistic lvl
It is nice video. In my opinion, math is the archetype of all fiction. So every characters powers should be compared by using mathematics. But, I have two points which is about the opposition to your opinion.
1. Tier 12 is not well-defined.
Our reality is 3-dimensional spacially, and 3+1 dimensional as space-time continuum. So 11-A~11-C are represented to 2~0 dimensional things. And in VS Battle Wiki, reality-fiction transcendence is assessed as just as one-dimensionally higher than the object. Thinking contrary, Just fiction in fiction can be just 2 dimensional thing. But because the space in fiction is showed easily, it can be assessed as more inferior than 0 dimension.
What I want to say is this: It needs more clear definition to use the term, tier 12. It is very nice concepts to think about characters like SCP-2747 or 3143, but it needs more arguements and discussions.
2. There is some misconceptions about Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal.
Speaking simply, Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal does not 'break' axioms. It can't exists in ZFC, but also defined large cardinal axioms. Berkely cardinal and V=Ultimate L are both suggested by Hugh Woodin, who is the docter at mathematics. There is nice paper about it which I want to recommend:
ht3tp://logic.fudan.edu.cn/doc/Event/2018/logicweek/woodin2.pdf
Because of censoring link by UA-cam, I added 3 at link. By using ht3tp as http, you can see it. I want it to be good for your understanding.
Additionally, It is the ranking about things you said as beyond tiering/pinnacle of tiering system:
0. Tegmark's type 4 multiverse
1. 0=1
2. V=Ultimate L, Absolute infinity(you did not say about it, just my opinion)
3. Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal
EMR looks like type 4 multiverse, but I think it is not mathematical but philosophical. It needs more academic informations to be used in VS battle logically.
These are some points I wanted say to you. Againly, thanks for good video!
I think when VSBW says Inaccesible cardinal. They meant Inaccesible cardinals of dimensions. And when Csap says you have to transcend concepts to become a certain tier like outer. I think they meant the Conceptual Dimensional "Space".
This video was extremely well made and well explained, I also like how you compare the two tiering system while giving both of them credits and not being biased towards one another while giving a good and detailed explanation as to how both tiering system works.
Bro had me till we got to 1-A then my brain started doing cartwheels
I still held on until boundless/0 tier then I kinda threw up
21:29 you did anti principle dirty again.
Overrated fodder
Make up OC
Why you both saying something that I already know💀
Everything was going smoothly but after boundless my brain started to fry 💀
After watching this I realised that the super strongest anime character that i became in my dreams was just amount to to the dust in front of these monsters 😂😁
The Man. The Myth and The Legend returns.
Thank you so much this video helped me figure out what tier my d&d campaign with my friends characters are at
tier irrelevant
Beyond the tiering system
My brain collapsed in the last 10 minutes of the video
Yep, hector is beyond the tiering system.
😂
absolutely beautiful, great job man
I would love a video in which you breakdown the beyond boundless tiers in decent detail. :) Could you also clarify how certain cardinals/infinities work?
Same
Thanks a lot, I can send this to people who don't get the tiering system and don't wanna read lol.
vsbw tiering system >> csap tiering system.
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What makes one better then the other?
@@Emil_LLscpfan opinions
@@Sonic2024freedomera ok
The Goat FW is back with 30 minutes video lmao 💀
Boundless or tier 0 is my prefered way to say it but i follow csap bcs of its proper way of defining things without making it complex.
Project FM: nothing is below tier 12
Anti principle : time to proof this kid wrong 🗿
Anti principle is literally made up character.
@@Rg-nk3rcaren't all fictional characters
@@theredmagician5591 Correct. But Anti-principle is just statement. There's no scaling, feat or cosmology involved in that character.
People just believe it's strong, and so it does.
@@Rg-nk3rct was proven by its creator that it was a joke, so *BELOW THE TIERING SYSTEM IT GOES!!!* 💀
@@florianneacosta987 literally threw away the chance to just up and have the strongest fictional character
Project FM, I would like to see a literal drawn out cosmology based off of this video’s explanation. What will a verse look like to you, based on this video’s tiers?
8:16 Didn't expect for wall breaker to appear 😂😂
That is cap. They should've been Irrelevant layers above tiering system.
@@please_be_an_operator_soon Scaling Failure*
@@trolllolllloollllolllllscaling failure + 1*
damn, scaling is much more complex than I thought, this will take time before I can digest it all
Above tiering>beyond tiering>boundless>high outerverse>outerverse>low outerverse>high hyperverse>hyperverse>low hyperverse>high complex muitverse>complex multiverse>low complex multiverse>high multiverse>multiverse>low multiverse>high universe>universe>low universes>multi galaxy>galaxy>multi solar system>solar system>star>large planetary>planetary>moon>continent>country>island>large mountain>mountain>large city>city>large town>town>large building>building>large house>house>wall>street
That’s all
It's funny how I come to the same conclusion when I use the Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9.
It's the very same but without mathematical limitations.
I assume the dimensionality of concepts is verse-dependent. Like, if a verse is capped at 3D, the concept is 4D or higher depending on what's specified or not. This is all just speculation from me.
Pretty much in some case I believe
Pretty much, platonic concepts don't inherently exist on a conceptually higher plane than anything and heavily depends on cosmology
@@IsaiahJones-rw1pc yeah, pretty much the metaphysical space in that reality's dimensionality
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
Memes are probably more annoying then characters who are only strong because the maximum a meme has done is universal plus
All these characters get negged by SCP-053
Thank you. Finally someone explained the tiers for me. Great video 🫡👍
Outerversal is just generally nonsensical. There are like 137 different definitions for it and almost all of them are inconsistent and don't make any sense. Most power scalers don't even have consistent views on what they perceive outerversal to even be which doesn't help its case. Not to mention that it's really just a buzzword lol, people throw the word around without even knowing what it means. This character does this? They're outerversal, this character does that? They're outerversal.
8:15 that came out of nowhere💀
Can someone help me transition from transcendence scaling to mathematics scaling?
I once knocked down a brick wall at work. Guess thats means I'm superhuman. Fr tho "wall level" has got to be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard
Cool
Well, I'm assuming you used a hammer, so the hammer is wall level
Murphy's law being a tier 12 is weird example because while fictional he had a nasty habit of hijacking stories of dimensions higher than him and turning them into Noire plots which technically made him meta fictional. Personally I would have gone with SCP-423 , the self inserting character or SCP-085, a hand drawn Cassy. Both are fictional but atleast they can't mess with higher dimensions.
Murphy's law is below fiction yet can flatten even 3D fictional characthers. At base, he is 12-A, but can also be much higher, at least 9-C level as he can flatten any human being
@@nyoesman_channel
Depending on what SCP Murphy's Law Feats are... I don't know that SCP too well.
If he's a Meta Narrative Character, then that makes him a 7th Dimension of Existence character... Ability wise.
He may have the power but if he's still a normal human, then it's just his power that's 7th DE.
Akin to Kumagawa in Madaka Box who's power is 8th DE at the level of Rebirth Dr. Manhatten + higher. But only his power is at that level + some things All Fiction cannot do. Despite, him being a normal human in every way, outside of All Fiction and Book Maker. Compared to Madaka, who is 9th DE, as her billions of Hax can scale up to Type 1 Omnipotence.
(This isn't the same mathematical dimensions being spoken of in this video. That is the Infinite Dimensions which caps from 1st DE up to 6th DE. While Zero DE and 7th DE to 9th DE are beyond mathematical scaling.)
Yes hes weird
Which is why i say tier 12 is utter useless because it literally doesnt work
Soo if you just say any random character trancends phisicality/mathematics that would mean they are irrelevant layers beyond tiering?
Also what about reality level
Not sure for Mathematical Scaling.
But for the Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9?...
Transcending above physicality and mathematics is either Zero Dimension, 7th DE, 8th DE, or 9th DE. Depending on the context.
As for Reality... I require more context.
Reality Benders are within the range of 2nd DE up to 6th DE, traditionally. Meta Narrative Characters are 7th DE while all Souls are 8th DE by default. 9th DE is Omnipotence/True Boundless.
Zero Dimension is unique as it is Origin. The same dimension in which the Akashic Records was designed from... The true home of Omnipotence, Omni Types, and Omni Factors.
"If you just say" 🤷♂️🤷♂️
11:55 15:01 16:31 Thank You 21:39 Well Said 29:18 29:43 20:44 I get it now
16:57
Thank you for this Project FM
This is where you messed up in the video at the Tier 2 range of the tiering system you can still be universal+ if you destroy a infinite 3-D space as long as it's a space-time continuum meaning destroying an infinte 3D universe as long as it's the entire universe itself as well as the past, present and future within that universe and it doesn't have to be exactly a 4D universe/structure the reason why i say this is because in Tier 2-C the low multiversal range it would be inconsistent to say that you have to destroy finite 4-D spaces that ranges to anywhere at 2 - 1000 universes because if a character destroy 2 - 1000 3-D universes it would scale nowhere if you have to destroy 2-1000 4-D universes so it would be consistent to say that it can be either 2-1000 3-D or 4-D space-time continuums.
Your point is 4d has no tier and your saying it should belong to 2A(high multiversal) because it would be inconsistent, for it to jump from 3d for high multi into 5d for low complex leaving 4d no space for tiering?
@@cellomovious_former I meant universal+
Powerscalers when I just state that my character is tier 0 (his greatest feat is just destroying a universe, but I said it and I created the character)
Just say the character did a boundless feat and you are set to go.
So basically once you Transcend Mathematics of the verse, it goes beyond irrelevant layers into boundless?
layers don't work for tier 0
a character that is infinite(or boundless)in being,mind,and power?!.
It makes you Pinnacle Of Tiering system.
@@hikolfakeholoki6492It’s like comparing a regular person to a superhero,and then to a god,and then to something even beyond that?!.
@@knrz2562 A character that is infinite like that scales to verse cosmology(If stated that they are the strongest)
Me on my way to learn math to make a descent cosmology that makes sense "So you are telling me numbers dont stop at a hundred, whaaaaaaaat?"
Technically the highest tier is Non-Fictional or Real
That is the 4th wall, as any characters that can interact with non fiction breaks the 4th wall (not instantly make them 4th wall level). Cookie clicker's bakery breaks the 5th wall in the narrative which is a world "real"-er than us, so 5th wall level >>>.... 4th wall level beings like us. I imagine beyond infinite and cardinals wall beings will be the Supreme ones.
@@nyoesman_channel
The Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9 is the proper way to put it for the Omniverse. But it's not really for power scaling.
Omniverse meaning... Both All Fiction, Non Fiction, and Real Life.
Zero Dimension... Being Origin, the true Home of Omnipotence.
1st Dimension... Low End Singularities.
2nd Dimensions... 1st Plane of Physicality and Space Time.
3nd Dimensions / Extra Dimensions / Infinite Dimensions on the low end... 2nd Plane of Physicality.
4th Dimension... The Prime Timeline.
5th Dimension... All alternate and parallel time lines.
6th Dimension... Seeds of Origin.
7th Dimension... Conceptual Existence.
8th Dimension... Soul Existence.
9th Dimension... Omnipotence. Formerly known as "Beyond the Boundary" / True Boundless.
Nothing is beyond the 9th DE as all Core DEs weave into each other and return to the Zero Dimension.
And just because Souls are naturally 8th DE. It doesn't mean every Soul is 8th DE in terms of power.
While the "multiverse" can exist in 2nd DE Low End Multiversal up to 6th DE High Complex Multiversal. Mainly because of Physicality Planes being involved.
Everything else are akin to branches on a tree until you reach 7th DE and excluding the Zero Dimension.
Zero Dimension is unique as it is the original home of Omnipotence. Origin, as it is known. Since 9th DE rivals Zero DE, second to those directly from Origin.
Tier 12:Flatversal
This tier pertains to characters who can create/destroy or affect the whole structure of a lower-dimensional universe, or lower layers/levels of reality.
That's Tier 11
@@eriktrp really 🤔 thxsz
Dotversal
Thats intrafictional
Up until boundless i understood evereything but then my brain was cooked
I do have a question about tier 12.
What if a verse's cosmology is based on narrative layers, where beings on a higher layer view the characters on lower levels as fictional? Example for such verses would include Unwritten, Umineko and even the SCPverse. What if there was a verse of which most of the characters are casual planet busters, but then later it was revealed that they are just fiction to a higher being? Would that mean that they belong in tier 12?
No that would only be tier 12 if they’re seen as fiction by normal human beings not higher layer beings
At that point it would be useful to scale and categorize them within their narrative layers and separate out the narrative layers.
If possible can you do an actual scaling for creative steve?
It'd becoming confusing with all those debunks going on.
Comp Steve is High Uni at best +max wank
@@kwentongpotchero6750 correct, i wouldn't even say high uni. Just base uni
Yeah it is. He caps at large planet lvl with overwank
Universe+ lvl
Because cosmology minecraft world from credit ending minecraft
I actually have a universe in mind that reaches High Outerversal level+.
It’s called an Ultimate Universe or Hyperordinal Universe, which are universes based on Ultimate Operations (A formula in maths that I created that is the closest representation of True Infinity).
The formula is: U = (U(U(U…U(♾️)…))).
U at base value equals to H♾️(♾️,♾️); with H being known as hyperoperation (‘a’ is the base value, while ‘b’ is the number of transcension over each other in towers). A hyperoperational infinity (H♾️) is basically the same as inaccessible cardinals since the entire operation is basically unsurpassable to any infinity.
With this formula, the Ultimate Universe would be High Outerverse Level+ due to its self-transcendental nature as well as making any inaccessible cardinal very little or tiny, as it’s forever transcending itself autonomously, having endless universes with the same properties, as well as even being bigger than any other transcendental universe. So, destroying this Ultimate Universe or being completely above it would make any character boundless in nature, depending on the context, but boundless if they are truly above it.
Also, please remember, Ultimate Operations is NOT anywhere else, so this is the only time you’ll ever hear about it.
All my questions about teir system are gone now thanks to you❤
I kinda understand the things after boundless due to being a scaler myself💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
he lost me at outerversal
My version of the tiering System: Small Atom Atom Large Atom Low Hypoverse Hypoverse High Hypoverse Below Average Human Average Human Above Average Human Street Wall Small House House Large House Small Building Building Large Building Small Town Town Large Town Small City Block City Block Large City Block Small City City Large City Small Mountain Mountain Large Mountain Small Island Island Large Island Small Country Country Large Country continent Multi-Continent Moon Dwarf Planet Planet Large Planet Dwarf Star Star Large Star Solar System Multi-Solar System Galaxy Multi-Galaxy Low Universal Universal Universal+ Multi-Universal High Universal Low Multiverse Multiverse Multiverse+ High Multiverse Low Complex Multiverse Complex Multiverse High Complex Multiverse Infinite Complex Multiverse Low Hyperverse Hyperverse High Hyperverse Low Outerverse Outerverse Outerverse+ Medium Outerverse High Outerverse Extreme Outerverse Absolute Outerverse Low Metaverse Metaverse High Metaverse Low Omniverse Omniverse High Omniverse Absolute Infinity Boundless Above Boundless Beyond Boundless Above Scaling Beyond Scaling
utter nonsense
@@max-ii5jythere’s a Infinite Layers Into Boundless tier Soooo..
what the actual fuck are you talking about@@AleksMarinovOnYT
@@max-ii5jy It's like what Project FM said, different Cardinals can take you into higher levels of Boundless and if you read VS battles wiki you can see that Boundless can be modified to be even higher.
powerscaling is utter drivel, anything above "multiversal" physically makes no fucking sense@@Rachjumper
with anything over tier 1, what really makes any character objectively more powerful than the last? they are all capable of instantaneously doing whatever they please. i say the word "boundless" is just fine as long as their feats back it up and they dont use fallacies.
all the mathematical jargon that barely 0.01% of the community really understands (and do they really if they claim to?) seems unnecessary. just say theyre boundless. it works for me
It’s comical
That’s exactly why it is the way it is in the first place. Power scaling isn’t about defining strength. But just having your character capable of beating up everyone else’s characters. That’s why it’s so complicated so that not everybody could do it, and people who care way to much about this can say they have the strongest character.
If you wanna have a boundless character though just say an old man’s name and than add cardinal at the end.
@@R.W.P.
The Core 10 Dimensions of Existence from 0 to 9 is much simpler but more complex as it deals with Existence rather than mathematical measures.
I could confidently place characters where they actually should be placed at, provided that I know of their Feats.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 all dimensional scaling deals with existential measures. Even so how would that make it complex? You said it yourself if you know the feats you can easily place them in their respective categories?
I think the reason that tier 12 does not exist is because some fictional worlds within fiction within fiction are counted as the base world and follows transcendent tiering. But I think if that character is truly fiction stated by the story to not be some sort of magical world it could work
So below tier 12 would be like stuff that doesn't exist even in imagination, so it's therefore not a thing.
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 mrow
@@racism.gaming Tier 13 is basically "Null" level, technically non-existence and have no degree or record of existing in the first place
Its a pain to learn all of this knowledge,but im sure when im done,and fully understand,ill solos the fiction
No you don't I solo you
@@Lexington21 both are my victims 🥱
All that power just for me to bully you 3
Im so powerful that I won’t allow any of you to physically interact with each for a fight
I need popcorn watching this!
i thought Boundless was the highest, now my brain's broken
That's cus these people don't have a job and make meaning out of their life by introducing new tiering systems.
@@Artlksksjwkwkw12 What ?
Anything above boundless is irreverent .
@@sureshsuganya6756 Not at all
@@Wooden_Ship_form_Minecraft then name a character In Berkeley.
21:28 Cleanest Joke In The Entire Video Lol
28:48 - end of video. so that means the void shiki apophatic theology scale doesn't make her the strongest in fiction? I was just about to ask that if could you make a video about that apophatic theology shiki scale because more people have believed it and using it as an argument that shiki > fiction, because I think it would be an interesting topic.
Lmaoocnot even close
Not even fucking close
No Because Nasuverse Is Fodder + Featherine Victim
@@trolllolllloollllolllll cap fr
@Rush the 「 」 i know, i just think it could be interesting topic
lol, so all of fiction including TOAA are tier 12 damn i'm so powerful
the character i spent 3 seconds thinking about solos
Wait so if a character that was a fictional idea but never really came to life would that be a tier 12 character?
@Pagan minster what I meant by that is that if a fictional character thought of a character but never made it to have motion would that be a tier 12
Ahh ok
Hey can you answer me something, So if a character who lives within, for example, a simulation and transcends the simulation Ending up in the "real world" Where would they scale
(I forgot to add this) What if after transcending the simulation they still had their powers?
Human level 2.0
Depends, if the real world is 5d then the simulation would be 4d, and when the 4d beings ascends it would naturally be 5d
Cuz if they ascend to the real world the scale would just repeat itself. If a boundless character in a stimulation ascended to the “real world”, they will just become the normal scale in that world. Basically if they become the same power as a human in the “real world”, they will just be human level 2.0
@@ParaBeamwr No, if a boundless character ascends to the "real world" they would just travel upstream to a higher layer of boundless, from 1 into 2nd layer of boundless
@@cellomovious_former but the real world has its own scale. Which is basically the same as the normal scale
I have a question:
How does Type 4 Multiverse give you an advantage against dimensional characters?
What does a Type 4 Multiverse do to Dimensional characters?
Contains axiom
The cardinal can beyond the tiering itself
More complexity than csap
More mathematical
From What I Heard Type 4 Multiversal Is All Possible Model Realities Which Is The Whole Existence That Is Out There That We Actually Dont Know
@@RealGoku213 dimensionaless > dimensional system = multiverse type 4 = all infinities
@@pwkarif1234_ dimensionaless > theory set = dimensional system
@@omniverse681 doesn't tegmarks multiverse contain aspacial atemporal properties?
I had a headache for tier 12 and 11 💀
The only problem with this video is that terms like irrelevant layers existing an type 4 multiverse being boundless or having layers beyond tiering or wrong the rest is good
Ever thought about Scaling Verses like Shin Megami Tensei? Marvel? OR DC?
Yes
I did thought
Marvel and dc are layers to boundless SMT I have no knowledge about it but scalers are gonna say outer
Honestly, i love this scale
Yeah, I lost you after 2-A.
This should help with higher dimensional scaling past 2-A: ua-cam.com/video/P-CLBU6iwTk/v-deo.htmlsi=dOGlGiKWUxb-IDNo
Project FM, in my opinion, isn't it more sensible if Boundless is the 1-Inaccessible Cardinal? As it holds the inaccessibles below it as an unbound set, or to sum it up, it holds normal inaccessibles akin to how normal inaccessibles hold alephs (Alephs being outerversal layers.)
Oh are you saying there should be layers/sets to the inaccessible cardinals like alephs? I suppose that would make sense, but that’s what other cardinals are for.
@@fw_rhetorical other cardinals are so massively large, scaling Mahlo to be one hierarchy above Inaccessible is a blasphemy. Mahlo is hyperinaccessible, hyperhyperinaccessible and so on, until there are around κ many hypers, and iirc its also a limit of such cardinals. Hyperinaccessible is being κ-Inaccessible, and Hyperhyperinaccessible is κ-Hyperinaccessible. Meanwhile, 1-Inaccessible already views Inaccessibles akin to how Inaccessibles see Aleph numbers.
Absolute Goat + Can You Please Debunk The Goku Outerversal Scale/Wank Made By Goku Fanboys/Tards?
I Only Requested Cuz Its Getting Really Irritating
What scale the moving in 0d space?? Or transcending time lines and realities
He ain't outer he's irrelevant layers breaking the tiering system obv 💀
@@justqscorpYou Have To Be Joking So I Won't Go All Out
@@lighto6477rip Sauce And Some Other Gokutards Like RatioFL
@@EaterOfDeceasedInfants389 yea but what scale so i can debunk it
What tier would have Supreme Author(now known as Metanormalcy)
Tier 0
@@nzqarc as Proyect says there are tiers beyond tier 0 and scp cn upscales this tiers and Supreme Author is very strong that I Am That I Am shows difficulty
@@laurenmatius Tier 0, Boundless, where being omnipotent isn't enough to reach said tier.
Take it or leave it
@@nzqarc but where are talking this tiering system, not CSAP or VSB. Here are tier beyond 0 and World of Darkness also upscaled Tier 0, Supreme Author is the second strongest character on fiction so it is no sense to say just Tier 0 in this discuss
@@laurenmatius There is nothing above Tier 0, it's literally the category were the best of the best sit. No point in creating another tier just so that 2 characters can be in it
Tier 13- Anti Principle
That Is Still A Highball His True Tier Is
Tier: 💩
you didnt need to do anti principle like that
Before Debunk Anti-Principle: Tier -1
😭
@@trolllolllloollllolllll that is still a wanking.
Is VSBW seriously the best source you could find, other than many other infinitely greater sources like Omniversal Battlefield Wiki and Top-Strongest Wiki?
I mean, it is more popular and has more consistent tierings and most tierings are usually just based on VSBattle
It's certainly possible to use multiple websites to reach a conclusion.
Here's a few examples of popular characters. Goku across most websites stay consistent at 2-C tier. Anos from 2-C to 2-A mostly. Rimuru same as well. Sung Jin Woo from tier 5 to 1A. Now we have obviously have a problem as throughout multiple websites, he's not consistent.
So all in all, you can use multiple websites for information, if they all saying the same thing it's more likely to not be false than if one said this but other said the opposite.
Saitama fans trying to not use no limits fallacy. ( Impossible)
Lmao
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
Saitama has increasing power, but he can only grow so fast. So he is probably at least 2-B at his maximum shown power.
Lolol fr
@@airconditionaire Even with that Infinite years of training fannon thing, it only makes him Outerversal or lower since OPM has not demonstrated any Mathematical scaling besides Terra 2 which makes him low-1c and is mostly pure destruction feats.
W Video However I Have A Few Questions:
1. Where Is Infinite Layers Into Boundless?
2. What About Scaling Failure? (From Your I Am That I Am Video)
3. Does Csap Extraversal Scale Higher Than Vsbw Boundless?
4. What Tiers Do Ocs Get?
5. Does Inacessable, Immesurable Or Irrelevant Layers Into Boundless Make Sense?
6. After Beyond Tiering System Does It Go Directly To Beyond Irrelevant Layers Above Tiering?
7. What Tier Is Cantor's Absolute Infinite?
8. Is Mathiverse Beyond Tiering System?
I think I can answer a few of your questions.
2. They did talk about scaling failure which is at the near end of the video where he talks about beings who are above irrelevant layers into beyond the tiering system(I AM THAT I AM being an example of such a character)
7.Cantor’s Absolute Infinity scales to High Outer in VSBW
4.OCs that have NO VERSE they originally belong to like to/an OC made for a fandom like for example, an SCP OC would be put at below tier 12/below any and all tiering.
@@oh3074 no he talks about being who are beyond beyond irrelevant layers above tiering system.
Irrelevant layers is already beyond tiering
From no.2 i can answer that in simple terms, The Power scaling broke with just his mere presence alone and needs Update just to scale IATIA cause he cant be scaled(For now)
@@omni_awareness67 who said it is not?
I get you and debate people alot that say I'm being dumb when I say impossible or controdiction or illogical things can exist in fiction cuz how I see it but they want to be all law of logic this and that very fun arguing but gets lame and boring
So what would beyond dimensionality scale to in vsbw? Just outer as well? Since alephs are above dimensions in these tiers i guess?
Meme-tiering
Old vsbw
Doesn't scale anywhere unless there are alephs 2 amount of dimensions
New vsbw
Doesn't scale you anywhere if have r>f or qualitatively superiority then low Outerversal
@@INFINIX-2503 no the new one is like
Low Outerversal : Von Neumann Universe character level or Above Dimensions
Outerversal : Beings residing in a higher Existence
High Outerversal : Marginally higher than the previous mentioned, or another higher Existence than Outerversal.
High Outerversal+ : Multiple Layers of higher existences and realities.
@@yongjeremy2614 OK ty
Where do you scale characters with mathematics manipulation?
Tier 12-C herobrine,hazbin hotel god,etc
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
can someone explain to me what the hell is the boundless tier and beyond 0 tier, and what the hell is cardinals
Boundless Means You Cannot Be Bound By Any Concept Take Note Boundless Does Not Mean As Infinity, No Limit, Unlimited Boundless Is Basically Beyond Limit Scale And Beyond Tiering System Or Beyond Tier 0 Are Layers Into Boundless And Cardinals Are Big Maths
Boundless tier is a tier and beyond 0 tier is the tier above it. It's literally as simple as that
Cardinals are basically counting numbers. They dont represent a value, but rather an amount. For example take a set that contains the numbers 1, 2 ,3, 4. The cardinality of the set will be 4, since there are 4 numbers, and so 4 is a cardinal number. Large cardinals are certain infinite cardinal numbers that have some specific properties. To be a large cardinal, a cardinal must be larger than omega- x (with x being a number). Omega is an ordinal. An ordinal is a number that represents order, instead of value or amount. Just think about 1st and 2nd. They're ordinal numbers. 2nd isnt necessarily larger than 1st, it just comes after 1st. Similarly, omega is an ordinal number that comes after every single natural numbers. This doesnt mean that omega is larger than all natural numbers, it just means that omega comes after them. After omega is omega+1, then +2, +2 and so on.
@@ohwow512Is von Neumann's axiom the most powerful set? Or would it be something else?
@@ohwow512What can I do to scale a cosmology, beyond the limitless? Can you give an example?
@@darkgod6983 by "powerful", I'm assuming you mean "consitency strength". If so, then not really. Von Neumann universe or axiom of constructibility are not the stron axioms. The strongest axiom currently are rank-into-rank cardinal axioms. Also, ultimate V=L isn't an axiom, it's a conjecture, so it doesn't count.
By "limitless", do you mean "infinite" or "surpassing everything that exists"?
Fun Fact: Humans are Technically 4D as we can travel through time with light speer
@elitecamerabuddy You misunderstand, powerscaling dimensions do not concern time but rather are geometrical. Take for example a 2D heightless square and a 3D cube, you can stack an infinite number of the squares but never get close to the cube because infinity times 0 is still zero. Think like this but now put it to 3rd dimensions and 4th dimensions. You can stack an infinite number of cubes in a hyperplane but never get close to constructing a 4D tesseract. There is nothing special about the fourth dimensions and above that make them relevant with time, the logic I used in example 1 goes to example 2 and so on.
We cannot do that and we are not 4D. The guy above me explains it pretty well. Hope you learn something!
My brain hurts from taking in too much information
Same bro. I wish it would cap at boundless but no, it all becomes “irrelevant”…
@@fw_rhetorical this is 2 weeks after me learning powerscaling and how it works. Once you know all of it it’s fairly simple.
@@vibe6372 yeah ofc I know that
@@vibe6372 wow you’re already very knowledgeable about fictional verses in 2 weeks when it took me like a month or two.
@@fw_rhetorical I’m just a quick learner
Great video, though I do have a few minor things to point out.
5D is part of low complex multiversal in VSBW, High multi+ not being a thing under that system.
As for high hyper, while it was correct for VSBW, it wasn't for CSAP. CSAP'S high hyper includes all infinite levels of dimensionality. VSBW's outer tiers would fall under CSAP's high hyper tier. Thus making the difference between low outer and high hyper under CSAP roughly the same as the difference between high outer and boundless under VSBW.
So Which Scales Higher?:
V=Ultimate L Conjecture Or Reinhardt And Berkeley Cardinals
Also Why Does V=Ultimate L, Reindhardt And Berkley Cardinals Scale Higher Than Tegmark Type IV Multiverse, And Extended Modal Realism?
according to someone else
1. Tegmark's type 4 multiverse
2. 0=1
3. V=Ultimate L, Absolute infinity
4. Reinhardt/Berkely cardinal
@@AUSWQPCV type 4 multiverse is only outerversal
@@Ag-zk6jw Fax
@@AUSWQPCV Technically speaking according to the video it'd be :
V=Ultimate L Conjecture
then Von Neumann Universe structure contain infinite V, so it is beyond tiering systems ? or it is an OC fallancy ?
It is beyond irrelevant layers into beyond tiering, but only with proper context.
the v0n neu man universe is n0t bey0nd tiering 0n its 0wn
@@DizzyA-ng4eh of course, but it is literally above V=Ultimate-L with proper context and order.
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Gigachad Project FM After Not Uploading For 2 Weeks Then Uploading A 30 Minute Video (Yes I Haven't Watched It Yet Im Just That Excited)
But fiction is made by the thoughts of living beings which needs some energy to create in the first place.
Which makes fiction might actully be higher or lower than tier 11 since energy does exist in a higher dimensional than 0.
Nope, the energy which is generated for creating fictional works is completely possible only because of a 3d being, it by itself has no existence, no energy and no nothing, compared to lower dimensional beings who still have an existence even if they don't have anything else, fiction is a lifeless construct, in a fight between a lifeless being and a living being, by default the living being would be given the victory
@@projectfm684
Understandable.
Thanks for dedicating some of your time to answer.
Bro💀 we are inaccessible to fiction
@@lighto6477 but we can turn it to 2d structures like comics
@@virust5941 bro he is talking about fictional character not us
Great video!
Can someone please help, I didn't understand, do you just need to prove the existence of this cardinals or that there are cardinal dimensions?
Existence of cardinals needs to be proven first in order to reach the pinnacle of powerscaling.
Either that way or with the others which are :
- Proof of Modal Realism and Extended Modal Realism
- Proven Type IV Multiverse and proven Set Theory.
- All types of cardinals up to Axiom 0=1 and ZFC Set Theory.
Higher cardinals like Reinhardt and Berkeley need to be proven in order to get even higher than the pinnacle of powerscaling. In other words, breaking the tiering system.
@@sonraonofficial631modal realism and EMR without context is just 2-A
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Where would you scale Monika from DDLC?
Tier 12 Interfictinol tier
10-B physically, Low 2-C with her powers
Below marvel
She's merely human level.
She's low multi only in her verse.
She can't beat anyone or delete anyone as that's the part of game mechanics
Irrelevant layers into beyond tiering (beyond boundless)
God is above all
yes he is
He is not 😂.
cap@@AGgaming-Y
@DizzyA-ng4eh FAX FAX
I am Muslim, God does not compare, he isn't a Fictional character, he is real.
How about a video for tier 0 sections like baseline boundless, 1 layer into boundless, irrelevant layers into boundless etc
I think he already made a video on that.
absolute W
U should really do a video regarding gag characters and toon force characters
After you share this video peoples start to do characters vs tiering system videos.i think you start something
Question: when your own fiction project FM come out?
More more more more more more I want more
Is it still right if I use axiom inaccessible cardinals for infinite set of universes which scales a multiverse base line boundless and apply that to infinite multiverse scaling it to one layer boundless as a narrative and if were to say 1 narrative + infinite narratives would it automatically scale infinite layers to boundless?
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
Strongest fictions are ones that haven't been known yet by public > tiering system
No
Many unknown ones are under planet level.
It's definitely the character that most people create when they're showering and never publish it
True. I Can confirm.
I have (Horribly) written a character that soloes 99.99999999999999999999999999% of fiction (While still having enough personality that it makes them not a mary sue, the Character doesn't exist for a power fantasy where they can fulfil all (just some) fantasies they want, they are made to suffer [Just enough so it matters, but not enough to make them unecessarily edgy] (And make others suffer ["Others" being people and Characters I personally don't like the actions of: Such as the Random Power Fantasy Characters of Ao3 that are against consent {I'm looking at you "Viasmos"}]). But not entirely made for suffering or else that would make them an Anti-Sue or another Type of Mary sue [The Overly Edgy Character]. Which would be worse than having a generic mary sue power fantasy char [Some Edgyness is good, but put too much of it and it becomes horrible]) and no one will ever read the story because i'm not dumb enough to actually post it and make people read through my horrible writing.
@@indecision3835 yea, I used to write stories of eldritchian horrors when I got inspired by the idea of H.P. lovecraft til this day I haven't even finished it yet and will never publish it due to the fact people are just gonna find a way to 1up it despite my own characters there are just more so for the horror-esc theme despite how terrible they are written, they still have those high-plane existance of power type of shit and in addition, I made it also kinda make them interact with real life in some sort of way like how I make those that seem "to interact and change the course of the story" but despite that, I am just a dumb commenter that does shit for the funny and horror
Tier-13 could be any being which cannot exist in any reality, or fiction of any dimensionality, perhaps not even being able to be conceptualized in full, not because it’s beyond conception but because it is beneath conception, it simply does not and cannot exist.
Im not sure what logical fallacy would result from this definition for tier 13 besides perhaps circular reasoning whereby arguing that Tier 13 can’t exist thereby confirms the definition of Tier 13 as something which can’t exist but this doesn’t really seem to be much of an issue because any system which is used in a self referential manner eventually results to circular reasoning at some point, its just a matter of if the circularity has substance to it or if it is empty. In this case I would argue Tier-13 has logical substance because by the definition I have provided it confirms itself even when we attempt to disprove it and not just when it’s attempting to support itself.
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
@@quantashonjamaldigglerbury4934 either im not understanding what your point is and how it’s relevant to
My comment or you’re just a troll looking for me to get worked up, but honestly I don’t have any personal stake in any of the verses you mentioned so if it’s your goal to troll its not really gonna do much for you lol
@@someoneonyoutube8622 in that case, Tier 13 would've been "Null" level, synonym to non-existance or have no degree or record of existing in the first place
@@nyoesman_channel or at the very least recording tier 13 can be paradoxical. And of course there can be different levels of tier 13. A character who is a five sided square circle or any other such logical impossibility that we can conceptualize as unable to exist might be tier 13a wheras something we can’t even conceptualize due to its impossibility might be 13b or 13c
@@someoneonyoutube8622 so i guess what you mean is something like for example negative dimensional "- amount of D" will fall in tier 13-A?
Also if that's the case, i guess all the "non-existence" or Null stuff I've mentioned so far will also fall in 13-A, cuz at least we had the concept of it to not being exist... i guess??
This scaling is even hard for me to understand. i don't think people normally will understand this. Remember the fact that 77% of people sucks at Maths and they think who can solve BODMAS questions right are in remaining 33%.
Only 23% will get my joke 🤣
77+33= 110🗿☕ this is how i prove i get the joke
@@Nothinglolanansj hay Muzan, who is your favourite Demon?
@@Nothinglolanansj and why you killed Tanjiro's Mother?
@@Nothinglolanansj and what was daki's job?
@@Fiction_edits its kokushibo ofc, we lick each others balls.
WHAT So 0=1 axiom is equal to High outer in csap?
@@zirotsero6951 Now I Understand No Need To Explain 0=1 Was Confirmed To Be High Hyperversal In CSAP And High Outer In VSBW Also Same As Ultimate L Conjecture, Khabbalah, Absolute Infinity
it also the other way around in VSBW due to the law (Mathematical Superiority) that he has said. Thus like term like (Beyond concept of dimension and time, etc...) will be regarded as lower than Mathematical scaling term that is in it same range. So if a character stated to be beyond concept of time and dimensionality it will only be considered as High-Hyper in VSBW.
@@DJ1125katus that's just coping, and anyway, doesn't tegmarks multiverse already contain aspacial atemporal properties and "existences"
@@blizzard1198 that like saying Absolute Infinity should be beyond scaling because it is Absolute Infinity. Everything need a proper context you can't just name drop everything and expect your verse to be strong
@@DJ1125katus I never mentioned anything like that, I'm simply saying that you saying vsbw>csap or conceptual scaling simply because you prefer maths, the gap is too huge and it doesn't give continuity is incorrect. Also my point with aspacial atemporal statement was that outerversal is not purely conceptual as even a mathematical multiverse contains it. Not only that, these abstract mathematical objects or structures are what define the physical reality or they are all these dimensions manifested from.
square beats rectangle no diff
Don’t make me waste my time explaining the wide divide of power these two have, underling.
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
@@JeffDeff-hp3el
God Jehovah is off the scale
Well obviously if they’re real then they basically views our world as fiction effectively and can change it however they want. Which puts them above even real world concepts and above fiction and us.
Well technically he's not past universal
Feats and cosmology? Book YHWH is universal on a highball
@@eriktrp universal if we accept all the lore nonsense.
@@eriktrp It basically depends if you see it as fictional or not.
Beyond Scaling system 💀
That’s where it all starts going crazy 💀
That's where it becomes cringe because everyone starts to argue without even understanding what they are talking about.
@@cheesefinder111me when 2022
The One Above All Is The Strongest
Infinity = Boundless
@@cheesefinder111im just stupid at powerscaling when 2022
@@RealGoku213 At least you admit you were wrong, respect for that. I don't use the One Above All in scaling since people claim he is an avatar.