I believe it because they refer to Shane as "Shane Dawson" and call him by the last name "Dawson" frequently. Dawson is just his channel name, it's not his legal name AT ALL. Any lawyer (or atleast good lawyer) would probably google him to make sure they're using his ACTUAL name, not just a stage name. KJ just seems like a person who wouldn't do any research about it
I completely agree with you guys. What a complete shit show. She brought all of this on herself and she is adamant that she's done nothing wrong. I feel like she thought that she could throw this motion together better than someone who does it for a living. This is Federal court for goodness sake. She seriously needs to pull her head out and do some self reflection. Before she burns the few bridges she has left.
Wouldn't that be wild if she did? Make an even bigger ass of herself. I mean what kind of legal counsel wouldn't even put it in the correct legal format?
@@lornareinhart2706 no no, they're joking, like saying it's so ridiculous that they're out. Or also meaning like they're leaving earth. Its just a joke about how silly kj is.
Wait I missed that part in the video, did KJ bring up what Trisha said to try to make other people seem just as much to blame as her?? Maaaaaaan she is absurd lol.
It's a diversionary tactic. If this is legit, her lawyer should be fired. I have a feeling, though, that they know they have no argument in defense of the allegations...so I'm assuming a shell game is an acceptable angle for them to work.😳🙄😳🙄 As it stands, this response is pure fuckery.
@@LYNNSTER1971 At this point I think she even made up the lawyer because it doesn't even make sense. A law school professor would have a field day with this statement if one of their students wrote it.
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It boggles the mind. Her nonsense is barely acceptable on these UA-cam streets but the fact that she's going to bring her madness to a judge...she's going to get the shock of a lifetime
@@CJAmara I can see her being questioned and just trying to ramble and getting constantly told to stop and answer the freaking questions. There's going to be so many "objections" because she's not answering the question. It's going to be a circus, and I'm getting the popcorn!
@green eyed girl I totally agree, it sounds like kj. And we all knew she's gonna blame everyone else, it doesn't even make sense. She was so excited for this to come out & it just makes her look dumber, if that's possible
Imo it's more of "poor me, I'm the victim". After all, she's just a "small" channel "from Minnesota", not a huge channel like Jeffrey Star and Charles.
All lawyers are not created equal. As my torts professor says: "not everyone has the same box of crayons." Some people have the 64-pack of crayola, others are using the waxy off brand ones from family dollar. Needless to say, our pictures won't look the same. With that said, I'm still a 2L so I say this humbly but...I could've written this motion better than KJ's lawyer.
My college education is made up of 3 years at a 2 year college with no resulting degree and have zero legal experience and probably could have Googled myself through writing a better motion.
If your breakdown of this response told me anything, it’s that KJ has no idea what she’s actually being sued for, and that is going to go very bad for her.
She thinks she's deleted all the evidence against her. Imo, this is why she has attacked other influencers breaking it down. If she could have gotten their clips of her saying all the things she now denies, she would have successfully deleted it all. This has been a failure on her part, like most of her bullshit! Lol
Funny how back in June when the protesting was happening in Minneapolis she made this big deal that she lived right by there and wanted sympathy and attention because she was “scared for her safety” but now she’s a small town girl? It’s just the same as how sometimes she says she’s this big important UA-camr or “influencer” and other times she says she poor small channel being bullied by bigger channels, it just depends on which one suits her narrative in that moment.
I’m sure Tati is more worried about the Clark Swanson lawsuit so I wonder if a big reason Tati is suing kJ is to expose Clark as her source because that will make him look horrible in his lawsuit. It proves he has been secretly trying to discredit & defame Tati. I think Clark may be the mastermind behind all of this. If KJ was smart she would turn on him and work with Tati to take him down.
@@ash-is-napping how is it a stretch when tati makes the claims in their response lol? She knows there is a source and she wants to know who it is. It's not that deep.
I agree but I do think some would argue that he appeared in enough of her videos to be considered a "public figure". Personally I wouldn't call him a public figure but he has been in almost all of her unboxing PR videos etc
Another question about the public figure thing. Would that make Jame's son, her sisters and her mom public figures because they did a video with her? Because honestly James did unboxings with her. We do know that James was her husband, but Tati was the real public figure, not her family members. She went after James hard........
I’ve never seen chill in a legal document 🤷🏻♀️ I’m not a lawyer or anything with legal knowledge but I document in my job and it must be professional language and this just feels like it was thrown together in a “yesssss this is perfect!” And the 22 other personalities agreed.
She is also not telling the truth. I was a subscriber and I live in Washington. She is not telling the truth if she claims that she had no subscribers from this state.
i feel like even i, someone who knows nothing about law, if i read this without any knowledge of the case, would be like "what does this have to do with anything?!?"
Murderous conspiracy. IMO that’s something KJ would say. I think she’s been successful in really aggravating this judge. This is a ridiculous motion plus ignoring the order not to delete evidence. kJ continually tries to point to anything other than her own statements for this lawsuit.
I have a feeling that she is referring to Shane, Tati, and Jeffree acknowledging that James was on the top floor of high hotel (when Tati posted Bye Sister) when she says "murderous conspiracy."
I really wanna see this filing get sent back to the lawyer with a big red F drawn on it. 😁 Edited to Add: YES you should be picky!!! Misspellings and inconsistencies have absolutely no place in a legal filing. I’m not a lawyer, just a business owner, and maintaining professionalism when writing is close to Godliness to me. I hold it absolutely sacred.
What I learned from Legal Eagle, a lawyer’s job consists of A LOT of paper work. He said grammar and English are important for his job. Can’t remember what video he said this is, but I think it was an Q&A because it was from someone asking about becoming a lawyer.
This whole things reads to me like a child responding to getting caught misbehaving at school by trying to tell on the other kids who might have misbehaved at some other time 🤦🏻♀️
I have a theory. Although her lawyer may have submitted it, perhaps Katie Joy WROTE this. I know I wrote almost all my own motions for my child custody case. I had my lawyer review and submit them but to save money I wrote most of them. Perhaps she did something similar. She seems like the type of person who would think she's smart enough to write her own motions.
I'm wondering same thing bc I can't imagine an actual atty drawing this up, the wording alone doesn't read like legal documents generally do... she was so proud of this...
@@TheEmilyDBaker like... even in 1L civ pro, which basically made no sense to me at the time since it was taught in such an abstract/academic way, I STILL KNEW THAT PJ OVER A PLAINTIFF MEANS NOTHING. I swear. If I had done a MTD for PLAINTIFF PJ and gave it to my supervising attorney to sign, he would probably fire me... or at least conclude that he made a horrid mistake bringing me on as an associate.
Sounds like her lawyer didn’t explain to her that she didn’t need to physically go to Washington and do research to have done research in Washington state.
I cant believe it took like 26 pages just to basically say Tati did way more damage to her public imagine due to Bye Sister and various other scandals then KJ could ever possibly do due to her low view count and subscribers.
Tati doesn’t need this KJ to damage her own image. I unsubscribed from Tati after Breaking My Silence and it was not because of anybody else. And all this story is boring. It looks like a contest about who exposes who, and Tati is the champion in this, according to me. And it is boring.
I think KJs lawyer is trying to say that she lived in LA bc of the 2020 purchase & sale of her house. BUT. She bought that damn house on land contract. Clearly the contract was up, she had to buy, and so she flipped it bc she had already moved. She was clearly making videos in that house for years - she remodeled the same studio years ago!
A friend of mine hired a lawyer. Work wasn't getting done, then was done in a jumbled manner that made no sense and didn't address the issue. Turned out the lawyer took an awful lot of time off and the receptionist took it upon herself to produce documents. Maybe this same receptionist wrote this motion!
I could swear that at some point on her channel Tati said she had moved to WA but was flying back to her LA home regularly to film batches of videos in her home studio there. She only started filming in WA in March 2020 when she had to shelter in place.
I’m wondering if she thinks that “no, I didn’t travel to Washington, so there for I didn’t do any research in Washington” ?? Idk 🤷♀️ she’s mighty confused
She's playing dumb, IMO. She thinks that if she can convince the judge that she doesn't know anything, then she can't be held to the legal standard as she doesn't know what that is 😉. I guess her attorney never told her ignorance of the law does not create exemption to the law.
Yeah I think she's trying to say I didn't physically travel to Washington so I didn't do research in Washington, which doesn't matter if you researched digitally or physically, the database that you got the information from is housed in Washington therefore you *DID* research in Washington.
It looks like she googled “what does a motion to dismiss look like” and then just filled in what she thought she was suppose to, but unfortunately she completely missed the mark.
Why is she filing a motions to dismiss? Didn’t she say that “the discovery process would be terrible for them”? Didn’t she make it seem that she would go to court to get the tea so she could share it? But now she wants it to go way?
I thik KJ honestly thingks that she was in MN and never left to research in Washington- it means she researched WA records not physically being in the state!
That's how I read her declaration. Someone, HER LAWYER, needs to explain that a physical visit to obtain records is not necessary to prove dealings in Washington. Even if you do research remotely online, the physical records reside in Washington and the development of internet-accessible platforms to obtain said records occurred in Washington. In that sense, the people who upload documents are de facto DOEs in my opinion.
I worked for a not-so-great attorney, but even she wouldn't file this in court. I can't believe she thinks this is a Dismissal, let alone that the judge will look at these videos.
KJ keeps saying she "Worked so hard on this lawsuit" (paraphrase) so I think the odds of her having written a meaningful portion of this is better than 50/50
She even said that on a livestream she did. “Washington is an anti-slapp state.”. I know she said that. Some lawyer prolly told her weeks ago it ain’t gonna fly.
Can we just acknowledge that Jeffree's legal name ISN'T EVEN STAR. Shane's isn't Dawson either. Like, if you're going to name drop another individual who should be included in your lawsuit, you could at least include his legal last name in the initial mention. Am I crazy? That seems so important if your argument is that those other people share responsibility. Edit: I have been enlightened. Jeffree changed his name to Star several years ago. My mistake, though she still misspelled it so my point sort of still stands? 🤷♀️
I really think there’s some credibility to the idea that this motion was NOT written/filed by an attorney. It seems to be plastered in red flags. KJ and her cronies aren’t attorneys or legal experts, so they probably wouldn’t even think twice about using someone’s YT name vs. legal name.
Ok so her response is gaslighting and deflecting? Its as if she were saying look look they made videos too! She is something else. She could have wrote this lol
The thing I keep getting stuck on is their reliance on Tati's social media posts as evidence of her location during a time where she was known to be trying to keep her location secret due to privacy & safety concerns (I'm not a faithful viewer, but do remember watching a Tati update video where she mentioned that prior to the Breaking My Silence upload). The inclusion of those posts & them waving them around as evidence of where Tati was & when just adds to the stalker vibes from the defendant's side. It just seems unprofessional to cite such sources when I, as a person with no legal background, would expect a lawyer to introduce a deed or official change of address forms or official property records as basis for their legal argument. The focus of so much of their arguments just seems moot, to me.
The only “bomb dropped” by KJ’s response was the huge one my parrot did on my shirt🤦🏽♀️ I just keep getting more embarrassed for her and it’s to the point where I’m amazed she really thinks this was such a huge, awesome motion to dismiss 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️💀💀
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In my opinion,I think Katie, Katherine, Crystal Ball, and whoever else she wants to call herself, found a motion to dismiss lawsuit on the internet similar to hers and did a cut and paste.
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Isn't it funny that WOACB bullied smaller channels by saying she's so big and now she's saying she's small so she doesn't have to take responsibility for her words?
I thought that too. It seems being a small channel is only when it will fit her narrative at the moment. Then she talks down to people with smaller channels. Then goes back to her I'm a "victim" crap and then she's again only a small channel.
you all are exactly right. Small my butt! I have under 300 subscribers and would love to have 130k one today. That is a HUGE audience. When it suit her to be a victim, she was. Creepshow has at least one video going over how KJ would tell smaller creators, "I'm 100x bigger than you" and throwing around that that she has a UA-cam Manager. But when it doesn't suit her, she's the small creator.
I think they're using 'Katherine" for KJ because it appears more professional & even to attempt to distance herself from her platform. "It's just my business, it's not ME." :::eyeroll:::
Honestly, I think she’s trying to say she didn’t physically travel to Washington to do the research, so therefore no research was done there 🤦🏻♀️. How dumb can you be to think that’s what it means.
I was thinking the same thing. She probably paid for one of those online background check services. So in her mind, she got the the birth certificates & court records from a website and not Washington state 😂
Also? Nothing official I'm willing to put to this, but I'm mututal friends with someone who is friends with Tati, and according to this friend, she is loving, a tad naiive, highly hardworking and ambitious, and is in no way malevolent.
I was just thinking the same thing,she said her lawyer is an expert in defamation cases. According to his website he specializes in insurance and benefits.
I feel for the judge that has to read this shot, KJ definitely wrote most of this herself. I also feel bad for her lawyer, this is just getting pathetic on her part
I watched another channel react to KJ talk about this. KJ is so so convinced that this will end the case lol ! Oh and the shade she throws at you Emily lol !! Love you Emily!! I am a nurse in Australia and legal stuff is so interesting to me.
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I asked a couple of times in chat, but I know you were super busy!!!! Could the judge just decide to rule in favor of Tati since KJ didn't even answer to the defamation??
If KJ continues to avoid talking about the defamation throughout this process, i believe so. But this is just a motion to dismiss at the moment, the judge is only going to make a 'proceed or don't proceed' decision on this. KJ will want it not to proceed, she wants it dismissed. but im 99% that isn't gonna happen lol
As a legal assistant for a family law office, I've seen just how important it is to not piss off judges (or, in general, any courthouse staff) by not following simple legal rules. These are silly mistakes that aren't going to help WACB. The document doesn't seem like it's going to help her legal case at all - she's just trying to save her UA-camr image.
In case anyone needs a laugh. Out of curiosity, I googled KJ’s attorney. The bio listed for him on the law firms website says he takes pride in applying his strong writing skills. 🤣🤣🤣
Ang I don’t recall her specifically mentioning the word hitman or anything along those lines. I believe she may have stated she was afraid or even afraid for her life but I don’t think there was anything in there about anybody hiring in assassin.
This whole statement is insanity to me. She is trying to get this defamation dismissed, yet mentions NOTHING as to the defamation in this statement! Wtf is wrong with her? Nothing that she has said makes any sense to the filing. I agree with many others that this sounds like it wasn’t written by a lawyer, and if it was... she’s extra screwed because her lawyer is DEFINITELY not qualified to do anything.
After hearing about this more and more, I feel in my gut... that Katie wrote this... my thoughts and my opinions
I believe it because they refer to Shane as "Shane Dawson" and call him by the last name "Dawson" frequently. Dawson is just his channel name, it's not his legal name AT ALL. Any lawyer (or atleast good lawyer) would probably google him to make sure they're using his ACTUAL name, not just a stage name. KJ just seems like a person who wouldn't do any research about it
I completely agree with you guys. What a complete shit show. She brought all of this on herself and she is adamant that she's done nothing wrong. I feel like she thought that she could throw this motion together better than someone who does it for a living. This is Federal court for goodness sake. She seriously needs to pull her head out and do some self reflection. Before she burns the few bridges she has left.
Wouldn't that be wild if she did? Make an even bigger ass of herself. I mean what kind of legal counsel wouldn't even put it in the correct legal format?
Agree 100%.
I agree with everything in this comment thread.
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So you’re a poet. I love this.
@@TheEmilyDBaker Love you + your swiftly growing community.
@@Betsy__ xoxox
Right!? She has an incredible presence. I immediately loved her. She just radiates confidence and badassery.
That’s like the quote from working girl almost. I have a head for business and a bod for sin. Is There anything wrong with that?
If Trisha saying “Tati dumb as hell” is used as evidence I will leave
🤣🤣🤣
Sorry maybe not understanding you will leave this great woman that gives you the facts or you are leaving for something else
@@lornareinhart2706 no no, they're joking, like saying it's so ridiculous that they're out. Or also meaning like they're leaving earth. Its just a joke about how silly kj is.
Because Trisha is clearly someone everyone takes seriously
Not like Trisha is the one "dumb as hell"
Wait I missed that part in the video, did KJ bring up what Trisha said to try to make other people seem just as much to blame as her?? Maaaaaaan she is absurd lol.
This definitely doesn’t look like it was written by a lawyer at all. Defamation isn’t even brought up in this motion. Like what are you doing. Lol
This was my thought exactly.
Bet ya KJ wrote it!
It's a diversionary tactic. If this is legit, her lawyer should be fired. I have a feeling, though, that they know they have no argument in defense of the allegations...so I'm assuming a shell game is an acceptable angle for them to work.😳🙄😳🙄
As it stands, this response is pure fuckery.
@@LYNNSTER1971 At this point I think she even made up the lawyer because it doesn't even make sense. A law school professor would have a field day with this statement if one of their students wrote it.
@@inarulogiafrida5121 I'm not a law student, nor a law professor, and I saw so many issues with this document!
This argument sounds like it was made for youtube, not a real court of law
😂 🤣 🤣 🤣
Exactly!!
I was just going to say this sounds like Katie wrote it not an actual lawyer.
@@Kiputytto_minis i thought the same.
It's like she wrote it for Emily to read it... but that backfired massively
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I feel like someone like KJ could even rile the janitor of the place. The coffee shop down the street too. 😅
I can't believe KJ is gonna take being delusional all the way to court.
It boggles the mind. Her nonsense is barely acceptable on these UA-cam streets but the fact that she's going to bring her madness to a judge...she's going to get the shock of a lifetime
Pedepie? He's from Sweden, on the other side of the world🤣
I don't think she has a choice to be honest. She's got to have something to claim when the Notes apology comes out after.
Well because if they settle, she may have to pay but if she fights she probably believes she has a small chance ha
@@CJAmara I can see her being questioned and just trying to ramble and getting constantly told to stop and answer the freaking questions. There's going to be so many "objections" because she's not answering the question. It's going to be a circus, and I'm getting the popcorn!
Jeffree Star = 1 r
Patrick Starrr = 3 r
Ringo Starr = 2 r
lol
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One time for the RINGO™🤣🤣🤣 (if you know you KNOW!)
Hahahahaha literally just came here to guess that KJ’s lawyer invented a hybrid beauty guru name by crossing Jeffree Star with Patrick Starrrr 😂
@@cocomarie1870 *Maybe more than once!* 😏😉
We need to save this somewhere as a reference guide
I’m a paralegal and I am so happy to see a female attorney with some sense, and no overcompensation. I wish I could work for you 😅
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Paralegal here as well! I'm in Washington actually! I cringe at how messy this motion is. I would never draft something so messy.
@@TheEmilyDBaker well girl, u got it going on❣ 👍🤗🤟
I've just done admin typing for a lawyer and I would question this.
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I feel like KJ thinks she never did research in Washington because she did the research virtually or something like that.
I was thinking the same thing! She said she would be doing much of the legwork for her attorney.
Yep, that's my interpretation of that statement as well. "I never set foot in Washington to get the documents..." It's pathetically coy.
I know right? 😂😂😂
@@PacificCGoat
Then she has a fool for a lawyer.
@@PacificCGoat makes sense. That document sounded like she did the leg work.. It seems like she's getting the defense she's willing to pay for
Is it my imagination or does this sound more like KJ wrote this herself and not a lawyer?
Is not your imagination 😂!!
I don't know what KJ was responding to but it wasn't the complaint that Tati made
RIGHT??????
The mice who work the controls inside her head.
Lmao 😭
It’s like she thinks she can get the judge on her side with gossip
@Ang the idiocy is strong in this one 😂
Right lol
I bet she wrote most if not all of this motion. She's that bullheaded.
@green eyed girl I totally agree, it sounds like kj. And we all knew she's gonna blame everyone else, it doesn't even make sense. She was so excited for this to come out & it just makes her look dumber, if that's possible
Imo it's more of "poor me, I'm the victim". After all, she's just a "small" channel "from Minnesota", not a huge channel like Jeffrey Star and Charles.
KJ: I’ve been spending all my time researching for my attorneys ..
The Internet: OBVIOUSLY.
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Kj won't give up on this. She is too stubborn to do so. I believe she wrote that by herself and her lawyer just helped with it.
@Ang absolutely agree that the lawyers look like Kindergarteners playing "court". This sounded more like a blog post than a damn court document.
I think she pulled up how to do this on Google... and there is no lawyer anymore
If the lawyer helped, it was with formatting. Not the arguments. Or they used an online template.
I agree
She can’t give up ...she is the one being sued. What do you mean?
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All lawyers are not created equal. As my torts professor says: "not everyone has the same box of crayons." Some people have the 64-pack of crayola, others are using the waxy off brand ones from family dollar. Needless to say, our pictures won't look the same. With that said, I'm still a 2L so I say this humbly but...I could've written this motion better than KJ's lawyer.
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@Mugsie Diva perhaps groupon lol
@@rachelcarmickle9950 Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated
My college education is made up of 3 years at a 2 year college with no resulting degree and have zero legal experience and probably could have Googled myself through writing a better motion.
@@lulu5803 LOL you know what, you’re probably right 😂.
If your breakdown of this response told me anything, it’s that KJ has no idea what she’s actually being sued for, and that is going to go very bad for her.
She thinks she's deleted all the evidence against her. Imo, this is why she has attacked other influencers breaking it down. If she could have gotten their clips of her saying all the things she now denies, she would have successfully deleted it all. This has been a failure on her part, like most of her bullshit! Lol
"I'm just a small town girl from Minnesota. Case closed right?"
😆 She thought n wished that might work, in her little brain n imo 😄
i’m typing w my elbow
The worst argument.
Funny how back in June when the protesting was happening in Minneapolis she made this big deal that she lived right by there and wanted sympathy and attention because she was “scared for her safety” but now she’s a small town girl? It’s just the same as how sometimes she says she’s this big important UA-camr or “influencer” and other times she says she poor small channel being bullied by bigger channels, it just depends on which one suits her narrative in that moment.
I think they are getting confused with PATRICK STARR - hence the 2 r's!
That makes sense. You would think a professional would check to make they are spelling it correctly for a professional document.
Its with 3rs but yeah youre right, Patrick didnt want this name getting confused with the Sponge Bob Patrick Star : )
Or maybe plot twist it was Patrick starr
I thought that’s where they were getting the spelling too, but that’s even wrong. Patrick Starrr uses 3 r’s.
His name has three Rs
I’m sure Tati is more worried about the Clark Swanson lawsuit so I wonder if a big reason Tati is suing kJ is to expose Clark as her source because that will make him look horrible in his lawsuit. It proves he has been secretly trying to discredit & defame Tati. I think Clark may be the mastermind behind all of this. If KJ was smart she would turn on him and work with Tati to take him down.
This is a stretch
@@ash-is-napping how is it a stretch when tati makes the claims in their response lol? She knows there is a source and she wants to know who it is. It's not that deep.
Tati's husband wasn't a public figure.
Right..no way a lawyer wrote this up..I hope not anyways lol
@@averyevans8115 I reckon KJ wrote this. A lawyer wouldn’t word this like that.
I agree but I do think some would argue that he appeared in enough of her videos to be considered a "public figure". Personally I wouldn't call him a public figure but he has been in almost all of her unboxing PR videos etc
@@WixenWooFromWhoville true
Another question about the public figure thing. Would that make Jame's son, her sisters and her mom public figures because they did a video with her? Because honestly James did unboxings with her. We do know that James was her husband, but Tati was the real public figure, not her family members. She went after James hard........
I have never seen the word “very” be used in a legal document
Like that is a “no no word” for middle school level writing...
Same
I’ve never seen chill in a legal document 🤷🏻♀️ I’m not a lawyer or anything with legal knowledge but I document in my job and it must be professional language and this just feels like it was thrown together in a “yesssss this is perfect!” And the 22 other personalities agreed.
@@elizabethb1096 I teach 3rd grade & I limit them to 3 per paper!!! 😬🤣🤣
@@taracantrell9214 hahaha
She is also not telling the truth. I was a subscriber and I live in Washington. She is not telling the truth if she claims that she had no subscribers from this state.
I also was a sub out of WA. She had me for a few against Tati but now I’m seeing the light in all this and I hope Tati wins.
@@tallulahrose9737 Apparently they are, Emily has shown the analytics broken down by states in another video
i feel like even i, someone who knows nothing about law, if i read this without any knowledge of the case, would be like "what does this have to do with anything?!?"
Murderous conspiracy. IMO that’s something KJ would say. I think she’s been successful in really aggravating this judge. This is a ridiculous motion plus ignoring the order not to delete evidence. kJ continually tries to point to anything other than her own statements for this lawsuit.
I have a feeling that she is referring to Shane, Tati, and Jeffree acknowledging that James was on the top floor of high hotel (when Tati posted Bye Sister) when she says "murderous conspiracy."
@@MichaelCeratops5678 That was my thought too!
@@MichaelCeratops5678 at least that makes sense but her statement doesn’t clarify that
@@loulou9978 no it doesn't so it will be interesting when a judge or Saltzy asks her to elaborate on that statement
Can we have a petition to get this trial live streamed? It’s going to be wild.
Oh yeah lol !! I can't wait to see the judges try not to laugh at the fuckery lol !
I really wanna see this filing get sent back to the lawyer with a big red F drawn on it. 😁
Edited to Add: YES you should be picky!!! Misspellings and inconsistencies have absolutely no place in a legal filing. I’m not a lawyer, just a business owner, and maintaining professionalism when writing is close to Godliness to me. I hold it absolutely sacred.
What I learned from Legal Eagle, a lawyer’s job consists of A LOT of paper work. He said grammar and English are important for his job.
Can’t remember what video he said this is, but I think it was an Q&A because it was from someone asking about becoming a lawyer.
This absolutely sounds like KJ. Her responses are always to deflect and say but they did this...they did that.
@Sarah Plummer Exactly.
This whole things reads to me like a child responding to getting caught misbehaving at school by trying to tell on the other kids who might have misbehaved at some other time 🤦🏻♀️
I was thinking same thing! It's so "no I didn't, they did" ... total uno reverse defense lol
I'm a teacher and you are 100% accurate lol.
I have a theory. Although her lawyer may have submitted it, perhaps Katie Joy WROTE this. I know I wrote almost all my own motions for my child custody case. I had my lawyer review and submit them but to save money I wrote most of them. Perhaps she did something similar. She seems like the type of person who would think she's smart enough to write her own motions.
Oh totally. Especially cause she’s probably paying hourly and trying to save on cost
I'm wondering same thing bc I can't imagine an actual atty drawing this up, the wording alone doesn't read like legal documents generally do... she was so proud of this...
I literally have never been so entertained listening to a lawsuit!
Me too!! Love it.
the “this court doesn’t have personal jurisdiction over the plaintiffs” KILLED ME. where did these attorneys go to school? good god!
She's gonna be a sovereign citizen next, I bet my shoes.
@@CL-lx2pm omg I can’t wait to hear if there is fringe on the flag of this judge’s courtroom
@@TheEmilyDBaker like... even in 1L civ pro, which basically made no sense to me at the time since it was taught in such an abstract/academic way, I STILL KNEW THAT PJ OVER A PLAINTIFF MEANS NOTHING. I swear. If I had done a MTD for PLAINTIFF PJ and gave it to my supervising attorney to sign, he would probably fire me... or at least conclude that he made a horrid mistake bringing me on as an associate.
@@TheEmilyDBaker but how can a lawyer put his name under this? Doesn't that ruin his reputation?
I will bet my left arm that a lawyer did not write this.
Katie’s probably taking notes on this video and calling it research..
...or imagining this as "legal advice"
This court document reminds me of the arguments I’d use to try to get out of trouble with my parents at 14.
Because Saltzy actually does his due diligence before he sends in his paperwork? That's the only logical explanation I have!
'This hurt my head' - classic, sums up KJ's UA-cam experience completely. 😹😹
Sounds like her lawyer didn’t explain to her that she didn’t need to physically go to Washington and do research to have done research in Washington state.
I cant believe it took like 26 pages just to basically say Tati did way more damage to her public imagine due to Bye Sister and various other scandals then KJ could ever possibly do due to her low view count and subscribers.
Tati doesn’t need this KJ to damage her own image. I unsubscribed from Tati after Breaking My Silence and it was not because of anybody else. And all this story is boring. It looks like a contest about who exposes who, and Tati is the champion in this, according to me. And it is boring.
Katie Joy strikes me as the sort who is throwing spaghetti to the wall in hopes that something will stick.
Is it sad that I really do that to test if my noodles are ready? Lmao. Well to
The cabinet. Old trick I learned!😂😂😂
@@shanalee7874 that’s where the expression comes from. I’ll do it occasionally with spaghetti too. Many do. Though I still taste test
I think KJs lawyer is trying to say that she lived in LA bc of the 2020 purchase & sale of her house. BUT. She bought that damn house on land contract. Clearly the contract was up, she had to buy, and so she flipped it bc she had already moved. She was clearly making videos in that house for years - she remodeled the same studio years ago!
A friend of mine hired a lawyer. Work wasn't getting done, then was done in a jumbled manner that made no sense and didn't address the issue. Turned out the lawyer took an awful lot of time off and the receptionist took it upon herself to produce documents. Maybe this same receptionist wrote this motion!
I could swear that at some point on her channel Tati said she had moved to WA but was flying back to her LA home regularly to film batches of videos in her home studio there. She only started filming in WA in March 2020 when she had to shelter in place.
I’m wondering if she thinks that “no, I didn’t travel to Washington, so there for I didn’t do any research in Washington” ?? Idk 🤷♀️ she’s mighty confused
She's playing dumb, IMO. She thinks that if she can convince the judge that she doesn't know anything, then she can't be held to the legal standard as she doesn't know what that is 😉.
I guess her attorney never told her ignorance of the law does not create exemption to the law.
Yeah I think she's trying to say I didn't physically travel to Washington so I didn't do research in Washington, which doesn't matter if you researched digitally or physically, the database that you got the information from is housed in Washington therefore you *DID* research in Washington.
This looks like an admission of guilt through avoidance but trying to reduce the penalty.
It looks like she googled “what does a motion to dismiss look like” and then just filled in what she thought she was suppose to, but unfortunately she completely missed the mark.
Why is she filing a motions to dismiss? Didn’t she say that “the discovery process would be terrible for them”? Didn’t she make it seem that she would go to court to get the tea so she could share it? But now she wants it to go way?
So maybe this motion is written to get thrown out, so the defendant is literally going through the motions to get to discovery.
I thik KJ honestly thingks that she was in MN and never left to research in Washington- it means she researched WA records not physically being in the state!
That's how I read her declaration. Someone, HER LAWYER, needs to explain that a physical visit to obtain records is not necessary to prove dealings in Washington. Even if you do research remotely online, the physical records reside in Washington and the development of internet-accessible platforms to obtain said records occurred in Washington. In that sense, the people who upload documents are de facto DOEs in my opinion.
I was thinking the same thing! That’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Glad I’m not alone
That's what I was thinking! Like she really believes that just because she was googling in MN, that doesn't count as research in WA.
That's what I was thinking. Also this response seems to have been written by a 5th grader who is aspiring to be an attorney.
Like how she mentioned her family trip to Washington in the 90’s 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I worked for a not-so-great attorney, but even she wouldn't file this in court. I can't believe she thinks this is a Dismissal, let alone that the judge will look at these videos.
KJ keeps saying she "Worked so hard on this lawsuit" (paraphrase) so I think the odds of her having written a meaningful portion of this is better than 50/50
This is perfect timing, I just finished watching yesterday's stream!
I don’t know if anyone here knows this, but KJ was the first person to report on the Halo lawsuit.
@joe mama 😂😂😂
😮
And?....
She even said that on a livestream she did. “Washington is an anti-slapp state.”. I know she said that. Some lawyer prolly told her weeks ago it ain’t gonna fly.
love you emily!!! boss lady!
@@TheEmilyDBaker yes all 4 videos done!! editing rn and can’t wait to watch the stream!✨
@@TheEmilyDBaker luv u. Little late joining. Had to get my dad settled after hip surgery.
Emily is the best!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Me too 💙
@Se Se yesss! I agree
It’s 12.30 am here in Sweden, but I can’t miss this.
Me too 😴
Same here ! 🇫🇷
Oh, yeey another swede 😁👍🏼
@@RooneyOlivia 🇸🇪
@@goranklaren Awesome name!
Can we just acknowledge that Jeffree's legal name ISN'T EVEN STAR. Shane's isn't Dawson either. Like, if you're going to name drop another individual who should be included in your lawsuit, you could at least include his legal last name in the initial mention. Am I crazy? That seems so important if your argument is that those other people share responsibility.
Edit: I have been enlightened. Jeffree changed his name to Star several years ago. My mistake, though she still misspelled it so my point sort of still stands? 🤷♀️
I'm pretty sure Jeffree legally changed his name, I don't believe Shane changed his legally but I think Jeffree has
I really think there’s some credibility to the idea that this motion was NOT written/filed by an attorney. It seems to be plastered in red flags. KJ and her cronies aren’t attorneys or legal experts, so they probably wouldn’t even think twice about using someone’s YT name vs. legal name.
Yes
Also the names were spelled wrong
Jafar's legal last name has indeed been changed to Star quite some years ago. But Shane's is NOT Dawson
I'm a paralegal. This would also hurt my head. I would be crying and laughing from my frustration of having to deal with responding to this. 🙃
Imagine hiring a lawyer and this is what you pay for!!, omg. I bet Karen joy and lawyer will be watching to find out what to do!! Haha!
Karen Joy? I see what you did there. 🤣
He's not an attorney but he plays one on UA-cam!
We should all have a minute of silence for the judge's kids who are going to have to explain UA-cam and drama to them😂
Ok so her response is gaslighting and deflecting? Its as if she were saying look look they made videos too! She is something else. She could have wrote this lol
She is saying that! Half of this piffle is pointing fingers at other ppl and saying but....but.....miss they did it too!!
The thing I keep getting stuck on is their reliance on Tati's social media posts as evidence of her location during a time where she was known to be trying to keep her location secret due to privacy & safety concerns (I'm not a faithful viewer, but do remember watching a Tati update video where she mentioned that prior to the Breaking My Silence upload). The inclusion of those posts & them waving them around as evidence of where Tati was & when just adds to the stalker vibes from the defendant's side. It just seems unprofessional to cite such sources when I, as a person with no legal background, would expect a lawyer to introduce a deed or official change of address forms or official property records as basis for their legal argument. The focus of so much of their arguments just seems moot, to me.
It does. .'she was here,she was there,she was living in this place then that one...'
The only “bomb dropped” by KJ’s response was the huge one my parrot did on my shirt🤦🏽♀️ I just keep getting more embarrassed for her and it’s to the point where I’m amazed she really thinks this was such a huge, awesome motion to dismiss 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️💀💀
I found your channel about 2 months ago. I’m not usually interested in “Lawyer type topics”, but you were breaking down a case I thought might be interesting. OMG woman!!! Where have you been all my life?? I have been riveted to your channel ever since!! Thank you for coming into my UA-cam world and making it significantly brighter!! I am definitely a fan!!!
One of the best channels on UA-cam right now! So obsessed with you Emily! Thank you for explaining things to me like I’m 5 😂
In my opinion,I think Katie, Katherine, Crystal Ball, and whoever else she wants to call herself, found a motion to dismiss lawsuit on the internet similar to hers and did a cut and paste.
I can already see the wide smile on Tati's lawyer's face when he sees this document
I've been waiting on this all night as it's currently 1:36am here in South Africa!
Bless it, she really believes if she wasn't physically in WA she didn't do research there...
She's really out here arguing that it wasn't Washington bc it was on the internet in Minnesota 🤣💀 i can't.
As a licensed litigation attorney who practices primarily in federal court - everything you said about motion practice and lawyers violating standing orders is so real and I’m living for your commentary.😂🤣.
Isn't it funny that WOACB bullied smaller channels by saying she's so big and now she's saying she's small so she doesn't have to take responsibility for her words?
I thought that too. It seems being a small channel is only when it will fit her narrative at the moment. Then she talks down to people with smaller channels. Then goes back to her I'm a "victim" crap and then she's again only a small channel.
you all are exactly right. Small my butt! I have under 300 subscribers and would love to have 130k one today. That is a HUGE audience. When it suit her to be a victim, she was. Creepshow has at least one video going over how KJ would tell smaller creators, "I'm 100x bigger than you" and throwing around that that she has a UA-cam Manager. But when it doesn't suit her, she's the small creator.
I think they're using 'Katherine" for KJ because it appears more professional & even to attempt to distance herself from her platform. "It's just my business, it's not ME." :::eyeroll:::
Honestly, I think she’s trying to say she didn’t physically travel to Washington to do the research, so therefore no research was done there 🤦🏻♀️. How dumb can you be to think that’s what it means.
I was thinking the same thing. She probably paid for one of those online background check services. So in her mind, she got the the birth certificates & court records from a website and not Washington state 😂
Not knowing any better I would have said the same thing 😂 I wonder if her lawyers had just given up at that point.
The level of unprofessionalism on the part of the attorney just blows my mind.
I am super impressed for all the wrong reasons. 🖤
I have not laughed this hard in a WHILE! Your commentary, tone, and the fact that this is real is so funny to me.
"We're in the middle of a pandemic. Wtf is a dramageddon"?! Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Isn’t this the “Look ,a 🐿Squirrel!” Defence?🤔🤷🏻♀️
I’m zooming in... I wonder if “patent silliness” is a new legal term I’m unaware of. This looks like a great example of how not to draft a motion 😂
However 'the' believes 😅
Lol that's what this lawsuit should be called.
"However 'The' Believes"
😂😂😂
Basically it's a motion to waste the judge's time lmao
Also? Nothing official I'm willing to put to this, but I'm mututal friends with someone who is friends with Tati, and according to this friend, she is loving, a tad naiive, highly hardworking and ambitious, and is in no way malevolent.
The immediate dislike must be WOACB
You know it🤣
Her and her 11 socks accounts.
She was prob the first one here lol
She so watches this channel.
Does anyone else find it hilarious that even KJ’s attorney presents opinion as fact? 😂
it's midnight in spain already and i'm so tired rn but i'm gonna watch this first thing in the morning!!!!! love you and your videos a lot!!!
sleep well!
Total!
I would love to hear your thoughts on “Anti-slap” case
Jeffree originally went by Starr way back in the Myspace days, not sure why anyone would still be using it though
Oh, but Emily -- her lawyer is an "expert" in federal law and defamation cases! **eye roll**
I'm scared for Katie. It doesn't appear as though She is taking this as seriously as she needs. Everybody except her, is.
@@AshLoRo The true danger of delusion.
I was just thinking the same thing,she said her lawyer is an expert in defamation cases. According to his website he specializes in insurance and benefits.
Lol I lol at the shade she threw at Emily lol!
Can’t wait to discuss this filing of request to dismiss with my criminal defense lawyer son- in- law.
This is cute. I hope y’all have a fun and interesting discussion!!☺️
I would love to be a fly on the wall on that conversation and what he thinks. Be such fun!
silliness is a word that I have heard her use so she may have written some of this herself.
I feel for the judge that has to read this shot, KJ definitely wrote most of this herself. I also feel bad for her lawyer, this is just getting pathetic on her part
I watched another channel react to KJ talk about this. KJ is so so convinced that this will end the case lol !
Oh and the shade she throws at you Emily lol !! Love you Emily!! I am a nurse in Australia and legal stuff is so interesting to me.
Hey Emily, just wanted to thank you for being open about Dyslexia and ADHD. I and many others being diagnosed with the same are deterred from pursuing higher academia sometimes, and seeing someone with the same diagnosis exell in a field as difficult as Law is extremly motivating. Thank you!
I asked a couple of times in chat, but I know you were super busy!!!! Could the judge just decide to rule in favor of Tati since KJ didn't even answer to the defamation??
If KJ continues to avoid talking about the defamation throughout this process, i believe so. But this is just a motion to dismiss at the moment, the judge is only going to make a 'proceed or don't proceed' decision on this. KJ will want it not to proceed, she wants it dismissed. but im 99% that isn't gonna happen lol
@@KayD thank you so much for the response ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I don't think she will either!!! It's clear to me, imo, that she hasn't learned a thing.
As a legal assistant for a family law office, I've seen just how important it is to not piss off judges (or, in general, any courthouse staff) by not following simple legal rules. These are silly mistakes that aren't going to help WACB. The document doesn't seem like it's going to help her legal case at all - she's just trying to save her UA-camr image.
I can't imagine spending all those years in law school, just to put my name on that piece of drivel.
‘The judge doesn’t care about the tea!’ Lmao , Katie is a doofus! She made her lawyer have her write this. I’m crying
In case anyone needs a laugh.
Out of curiosity, I googled KJ’s attorney. The bio listed for him on the law firms website says he takes pride in applying his strong writing skills. 🤣🤣🤣
He's so articulate
It’s like KJ is saying ‘everyone on YT says mean things about Tati anyway so like, this case should be literally dismissed. Right judge?’
When she says that she didn’t do research in Washington is she trying to mean that she didn’t travel to Washington physically to do research there?
Ang I don’t recall her specifically mentioning the word hitman or anything along those lines. I believe she may have stated she was afraid or even afraid for her life but I don’t think there was anything in there about anybody hiring in assassin.
WE know it can include internet research...but does she? is my question.
This whole statement is insanity to me. She is trying to get this defamation dismissed, yet mentions NOTHING as to the defamation in this statement! Wtf is wrong with her? Nothing that she has said makes any sense to the filing. I agree with many others that this sounds like it wasn’t written by a lawyer, and if it was... she’s extra screwed because her lawyer is DEFINITELY not qualified to do anything.