I’m a public speaker and stand up comic and I worked in 30+ states in 2019 and paid state income tax in any state in which I met the respective minimum threshold to do so. I don’t think that legally means I’m now a resident of all of those states? It just means my taxes are an unfathomable nightmare
@@libbyannbest1723 it depends on how much I earned and what the requirements are for each state. But for each state I earned over a certain amount, yes I do. Luckily now my agency pays me so it’s all through California.
For those who keep saying KJ's lawyer needs to tell her to shut up: I don't think it's safe to assume that they *haven't* told her to keep quiet. What they advise her to do and what she does are two different things. She strikes me as someone who has trouble censoring herself. Her lawyer can't duct tape her mouth. All an attorney can do is advise - they can't control a client.
I agree. Her lawyer has told her but she doesn’t listen. Shut your mouth is the first thing a lawyer would tell you but she’s kJ the rules don’t apply to her.
Honestly, I think first thing her lawyer said was no more videos, no more tweets, no more live streams on this. Talk about ANYTHING else, she is just too Karen to just shut up
I don't know about the other site mentioned, but Ancestry absolutely does not have birth certificates for people Tati's age. They very specifically try to avoid holding records for people who are alive.
This is true. And every state has different rules whether they release BC at all. The general rule is 70 years, I think. So even if a state releases BC, they can't be sooner than 70 years after the fact. I believe that's how I understand it. So Tati's BC will be unavailable to anyone other than herself or designated relative on certain cases.
Isn't part of the point here the fact that she purposely perjured herself? Not to mention, considering she's been caught in lie after lie it's hard to believe anything at all in any of her filings.
@@snowwhite7704 truth... but officially she’s not allowed to and I believe that if they get access through YT they might get proof of deletion. But I’m not tech savvy enough to be sure
@@snowwhite7704 no, the analytics are from a certain time period in the past so she wouldn’t be able to go change those records simply by blocking or deleting people. Blocking and deleting would only show up the dates she blocked and deleted someone. She can most definitely show prove of the 0.7% or she wouldn’t have said it. Use your brain.
I posted this on Twitter to Emily and Saltzy ... KJ has a lack of understanding on how Ancestry.com accesses its records. When you pull a record up, and are going to cite it (which all good researchers should be doing), it specifically lists where the original data came from; i.e., KJ states that she accessed "images" from Ancestry.com and therefore not from Washington State. However, she doesn't seem to understand that Ancestry ACCESSES the state level records that are digitized -- therefore, she retrieved records from Washington State.
Barbara - that is not really true. It can be difficult to parse when you are thinking electronic documents and aren’t an IT nerd/work in IT as your profession. However if you think of it in terms of what it would be considered if it was a hard copy document it can be more clearly understood. For example, let’s say I was born in Virginia. And I have a copy of my Virginia birth certificate provided to me by DHeC/the state of Virginia. Years later I move away to attend college in Vermont. I provide the University of Vermont a copy of my Virginia birth certificate that they put in my student file in Burlington, Vermont. A year later, some new flashy scholarship is available- but only for students who were born in Virginia. So - when the admissions office in Vermont checks my student file and finds a copy of my Virginia birth certificate, they are actually accessing records in Vermont.... not Virginia...even though that document copy clearly states Certificate of Live Birth - State of Virginia.
Are they intentionally ignoring that someone can own multiple homes and reside in them at different times? It sounds like shaky argument to me. Tati’s husband could also have been staying at one home for a time and tati in the other. And are they really claiming only the two people saltzy had statements from are the only Washington viewers? Sounds like an invitation to subpoena some analytics. The last thing that sounded fishy to me is kj’s claim she only looked at two websites for the personal information. There’s already video of her saying she’s looking everywhere and even asked for donations if people liked that she was digging into her families personal documents. I wonder if there is record of kj paying any courthouses for documents or any FOIA requests.
I was getting a similar vibe - where they're arguing that Tati's social media posts of her in California are valid enough to prove she wasn't a WA resident, but then pictures on social of her in Washington...aren't valid enough to prove she was? It seems like they're kind of grasping at straws for the domicile argument in hopes the court just tosses it and that it discourages Tati and James from refiling in Minnesota
@@annabergeson5200 I suppose they can subpoena financial records to see which ATM's/stores they used MOST of the time. James Westbrook is not being entirely truthful in my opinion
KJ actually said she used Washington records to search for info on the Westbrook’s though... she said she went “above and beyond” the info usually available to the public and dug into them deeper than ever using other means during that one video public for all to see (if not deleted/privated 🙄) Does she not recall that everyone saw that clip to where she admits that fact?
If she actively searched the records she would have to be there, get a friend to do it (who lives in Washington?)... or pay someone to research and get docs for her (costly I know as I have a family member who is a researcher)
Also said she spent hundreds on documents and was asking for her subs to donate if they would like........ so if only using two sites like ancestry and the other one mentioned would she spend hundreds and hundreds on documents through those two sites? That doesn’t make any sense to me.🧐
She’ll probably say that lied to impress her viewers, that she exaggerated her abilities to conduct thorough researches, she’s doesn’t really have the skills of a reporter. It’s all her UA-cam persona and none of it is fact. She’d probably get away with it because everyone who watches her knows how much she lies
I’m legit wondering if KJ switched what her lawyer wrote with a copy of her own version. I wonder how legal and possible that would be? I’m sure she got a lashing for it! This one is VERY different so she must have wised up.
Why do I feel like there’s a belief having the jurisdiction issue “won”, by KJ implies this goes away ? Saltzy has already said IF the jurisdiction motion is granted the case WILL BE REFILED. Is KJ just going to keep having the case tossed from jurisdiction to jurisdiction ? that’s going to get expensive.
IMO, she believes that she will win it, no matter where it is brought. She also believes that she can go after them for maliciously using the courts to try to keep her from "Telling Her Truth." She really does believe that she is a victim, and being "used as an example" to scare other channels from reporting on The Westbrooks.." I do think that she will win the Tati side, I am not sure if she will win the James side, but the thing I question the most is, if UA-cam will allow her to keep her channel as she has to testify under oath about potential actions that broke UA-cam TOS.
Just seen your post , my thoughts exactly. ... why just give more money to the lawyers she isn’t going to win the defamation she did it in front of the whole world !! Uk 🇬🇧 here !!
i think she wants it in CA because she thinks it may get more coverage by outlets like TMZ, which in her mind will bring more traffic and grow her channel.
@@lg4377 KJ can't pick where they would refile. It's highly likely they would file in MN, especially since MN has laws favorable to the defamation case.
Omg! I just made a comment yesterday saying that I always have to re-watch Emily’s videos because her voice is so relaxing to me that I doze off (and I’m an insomniac so I don’t fall asleep easily at all.) When I found out Emily has an asmr channel I was stoked. I’ve fallen asleep at night to her reading the Constitution at least 4 times now 😂
@@gilmariebrioso1554 she seems to be a nightmare for a client. But you’d think a good firm would still know how to handle people like her. The further we get in this lawsuit I bet it will become clearer where the incompetency divides.
When she said “I receive hundreds of messages” I couldn’t help but hear “I can’t help it that people are so jealous of me, but I can’t help it that I’m popular”
@Australian Made & Owned Products & ServicesI guarantee Tati isn’t wasting money on suing KJ. She won’t lose everything and this is strategic. KJ is all around screwed. I’m not a sub of Tati’s but KJ is dangerous and needs to lose her platform.
@@herbiehopkins When it comes to KJ, anything logical is thrown in a trash can, set on fire and buried. She’s the most nonsensical person I’ve ever seen. Her husband is a close second. 🤣
I don't understand KJ's jurisdiction argument. My sister & her husband own 3 homes, MA, NH & FLA. They are residents of MA because they live 51% of the year in MA.
Right? Shouldn't the fact that the Westbrooks live primarily in Washington and they are the affected party be enough to prove WA jurisdiction? KJ's argument doesn't make sense to me either.
He must've gone back to his Law Books! I am proud of the guy. Now if could just get his client to refrain from speaking about the case, and getting into bickering altercations with other creators!
Yeah, their original motion read like a poorly written term paper by a law student who hadn't slept in 3 days. With the help of their roommate, Cher. Haha, sorry, couldn't resist throwing that in there. I'm not in the lawyer-y business.
I think her lawyer grew a back bone and didn't allow her to write this response since the first filing from him was ripped to shreds and clearly put his reputation on the line.
I'd like to know how much that matters, it seems like a way to muddy the waters to me. Regardless of if she went to those states and looked at their records, phoned them or found them online, the information came from those states, so doesn't it amount to the same thing? I'm in the UK so I don't really know how it works with states or the US as a whole, but this just sounds like a diversion tactic to me.
@@herbiehopkins Not necessarily. Going to the state to search OR using resources located in the state (like government servers) goes to the “purposeful availment” of the resources of the forum, granting jurisdiction. If it a 3rd party site that gathers information and stores it on a different server in a different state, KJ can better argue she did not avail herself of the resources of the state. It is nit picky, but that is the law for you. Also courts and legislatures are WAY behind on the interwebz stuff. ;)
@@myddrinemrys8988 I see that now. U.S Law is so much more complicated than U.K Law, we don't have to consider things such as which County, Town or Village information came from just if it's true and provable.
I’m thinking one aspect they haven’t touched on is not just the effect of WOACB’s videos but the many many videos that reported on what she said. The effect is much broader than her own channel audience. I mean that’s how I heard about it. I decided to purchase another brand of hair vitamin because of how horrible what I was hearing was. Even though I didn’t hear it directly from her, what she said totally affected my decision.
but in this scenario, if Katie’s audience is from the whole world and Tati lives in Washington, where should the lawsuit be if not Washington? This is a bit stupid
I left this on uncivil laws video. Like if they sued in Minnesota wouldn't kjs lawyer just say there was no "brunt of harm" there? ? Same thing in California? ? If not Washington then where WOULD be the appropriate place to sue?
It seems to me that the defence strategy here is to digress from the subject itself and to argue about jurisdiction and other things until Tati’s side gets tired of this. They would argue any jurisdiction: Washington, Minnesota, anything. I wonder what happened if Salzy claims it to be a federal case... Is it even possible to get this to a federal level?
@@ladychiffa4400 lol the funny thing is I don’t think Tatis side will get tired- especially since she can afford to drag this out for YEARS and KJ cannot 😂 watching her crash and burn is fascinating
Kj also fails to mention halo in this response.. which is situated.. in Washington. Also, you can only get birth records from places where someone is born.. so theres that. Another thing to mention is that she basically admitted to using a website that is defamatory and unreliable.. you should read the ftc class action against mylife dot com - basically, even if you dont have any criminal records, it will say they do.. just so someone pays for their website.. the ftc class action lawsuit with the mylife is an interesting read. The fact she admitted to using that as a source, definitely shows that kj herself is not a credible source by any means on anything she says. 🤣
As someone in a journalism major I think her understanding of "sources" is so bad. I cringed so hard at 45:11 that it honestly hurt. My VERY FIRST CLASS of journalism basics went over this. Sources aren't just people.
THANK YOU. Sources can’t just be “unnamed” people” who she claims are close someone she’s talking about. If she knew anything about journalism, or writing in general, she would know that she bears the burden of proof. If she can’t cite her sources properly, then it’s reasonable for her audience to assume that she has no source, and that she made everything up. No citation = no source. If I can’t fact check it or verify it for myself, I have to assume it’s a lie 🤷🏻♀️
The fact that they argued "Tati has social media posts in LA so she lives there, but these social media posts in Washington don't prove that she lives there". Like WHAT? If social media is "proof" in one it can't not be proof in another just because it doesn't suit your argument.
Tati said in numerous videos about Sherman Oaks being her 'home' and where her office is. This was up to December 2019. She can't delete these videos but, there's lots of proof what Tati says, that she is in LA FULL TIME. She also made a video in late 2019 (December) saying she'd moved to Seattle. In April 2020, she'd got her stepson to mail her PR packages from their home in California , to Seattle. Tati has also used an L.A based P.O Box number for years
@@CaroleEvans93436 that isn’t legal proof. Her home can be anywhere she has a home, which can be multiple places. I don’t live with my parents and I call both my apartment home and my parents house “home” even though my apartment is where I domicile.
@@outlinedinmusic According to the channel 'uncivil law' - where you live for more than 50% of the time is where your residence is - and I suppose where you're supposedly domiciled at too
KJ is spending so much money...to just get sued in a different state?! Like what is the point of all this? She’s just prolonging the inevitable and racking up fees.
So I'm only a few minutes into Emily reading a reply but to me it sounds like the lawyer actually wrote this this time, as opposed to letting KJ write it which is what it sounds like he did the last time. 😂
It looks like KJ’s lawyer has been watching the “UA-cam Lawyers”. He’s just taking all the suggestions he has been listening to on UA-cam and applying it to his defense documents....Honestly, I think you and the other smart lawyers discussing this case online helps KJ’s case. It’s like she’s getting free advice and taking it...
It doesn't seem like KJP is willing to listen to anyone, including the lawyers she's paying for their presumed expertise. However, the lawyers themselves might actually be looking into the ideas the "UA-cam Lawyers" bring up! ;)
When the first one went in, I was sure she was her own lawyer, this time around seems a bit more professional, still stupid though, so she must have had a big hand in it.
James Westbrook claims to have been a full time resident of Washington since 2018 but, Tati states in videos that they only resided there from Dec 2019
I'd say Tati and James only were in LA for her to film her videos in the beauty room and didn't want to disclose her actual residence location at the time because KJ was pretty much (allegedly) stalking her.
@@jennyshavarska9101 hey there-as different states have different laws, it may be advantageous for Tati’s side to have the suit in Washington because the laws may be friendlier to her argument.
@Rita Jo I'm not convinced they will, though. Looking at the evidence that's been compiled we have Katie committing purjery, acting in contempt of a motion to preserve evidence, blatant defamatory statements coupled with selling her content as "facts based," openly supporting threats against the people involved in the lawsuit, and consistently waiving her own confidentiality rights throughout the process. None of that changes from Washington to California, and while that state is more lenient with journalism Katie would have to even prove that she's a "journalist" at all to be covered. With confirmed cases of her swaying opinions of previously paying customers of Halo with her statements that she did not specify as speculation I don't think she'll be half as protected as she thinks she is. Even then, this case work alone will ruin her. I can't imagine what her bill is going to be by the end of this.
“Overstating the case” sounds like they’re telling Saltzy that he’s overacting in my head ... cause they’re in a Legally blond movie acting this out. Okay back to the movie
I'm thinking Mr. Brown either let KJ or a junior attorney write the first document (not sure why, though, makes no sense to me). Then, when things started happening - and I guess when he saw the word salad - he got involved and produced this document. However, he probably still let the incompetent person do some minor stuff - the number of lines is still not correct per judge's order, and KJ supplemental declaration has two typos that I could find with just a cursory reading. So, there is still some fuckery going on here.
One word: Adsense. Subscribers aren't the only source of income for youtubers. I like how they fail to mention that fact, though the analytics will easily establish the income from Adsense. At least it isn't a fruit salad this time.
Ok so: 1. KJ’s lawyer sounds much more competent in this motion than in anything else we’ve heard from him. 2. Just because you own a house, doesn’t mean you live there. This happens to regular people too, not just rich people. (Real life example: the man who my hubs & I bought our house from had bought this house with the intention of retiring in it with his wife, but she got sick and died before they could move in, so the house sat empty for 6 years. He never lived here.) 3. If “residence” and “domicile” are different, they need to be defined and used differently, not interchangeably. 4. I still don’t believe KJ, though. Especially since she won’t SHUT THE FUCK UP when she’s in the middle of an active lawsuit. 5. I want all the receipts!!! Let’s get to discovery y’all!!
James Westbrook literally told the court he 'moved' to Washington in 2018 but, told another court he lived in California AFTER the fact........ seems a bit dodgy in my opinion. I don't suppose lying to the court will go down well. Financial records of day to day transactions will show where they lived ;)
@@CaroleEvans93436 True. Right now I’m seeing lots of lies in sworn statements! Yikes. I’m interested to see what exactly gets uncovered. I really want them to settle this damned jurisdiction stuff so we can get to the actual meat of the lawsuit. 👀
@@CaroleEvans93436 I live in Oklahoma half the time and Texas half the time. He may go back and forth... Alot of people who own businesses do. Also people who do business in multiple states. Open your mind a little to possibilities other than lying.
@@CaroleEvans93436 if you have multiple residences, then you can live in multiple places. It matters more where he was domiciled. My grandparents go to Florida in the winter so I send their packages to that address because that’s where they live. The rest of the year, they live in Minnesota and their packages and mail goes there. It’s like when you go to college. There are a lot of reasons why people live multiple places.
@@soph2799 she didn’t. It’s the same lawyer from the same firm in Seattle. Speculation is that she wrote the first one. That or the firm got embarrassed and made him step up his game.
@@jordymarek6290 I would love to know what they said to him. I’m sure that was a sassy conversation. Lol. This whole case is like a telenovela. It’s so dramatic. Lol
Same, but I still think this one is kind of choppy. It might be because this is Emily skimming and doing a first look and not going as in depth, but his arguments don’t seem to flow together very well, in my opinion.
Honestly, where I the judge that got his/her standing order ignored, again, I would dismissed the document altogether and grant jurisdiction just out of pettiness. I mean how hard can it be to write a document on 26 lines? That is saying to me, I don’t care about your rules cause I believe you have no business with this suit whatsoever and it would pissed me as hell
I took a paralegal/legal assistant course 30 years ago, and when we were doing up these things, if we didn't do it according to the rules (which we had copies of, from the court), it would be rejected. Right down to if you forgot ONE memo. And if you kept making mistakes, you failed and the "court" threw whatever you'd screwed up on, out. (I hate civil for this reason lol much preferred legal research bc nerd, and wills & probate bc dead easy (pun intended 😋). Civil and family law are very very work/paperwork intensive and just... no. My brain can't handle that.)
The lawyer shade would've been more effective when saying that Saltz failed to comment on passages (or whatever) if the original document from KJ's side had referenced any law it was using for reference. IANAL - but I deal with a lot of documentation. BTW the page numbering is killing me. Aghhhhh
Tati has a video when she was in Seatle with James, and his son, was in their home in LA(I believe he still lives there) sent her mail. It even shows footage the son sent from the studio in the LA home but they were not there
27th April 2020. Tati moved to Seattle in December 2019 - according to her videos around that time. Before this, she discussed her personal trainer in L.A and her L.A hair stylist - who also did Katy Perry's hair
Tax prof comment: of course they paid tax to California. Likely many states. Washington not having income tax could go either way though, but I’m not a Washington expert. I do think saying “hey see they paid tax in California” is absurd, anyone who does business in California does. (Good reason to shift depreciation and expenses over so you don’t hit the minimum income for taxation)
KJ is loosing the plot , she is unraveling, there is something about Emily that rubs the wrong way, and I knowwhat it is "Class" Keep up with the great work Emily !!!
People also genuinely LIKE and ADMIRE emily. Shes strong, smart, funny, attractive and a good person with a successful career and happy/fulfilling personal life. ALL the things KJ is JEALOUS of.
I wonder how that Lori Ann chick feels now knowing that KJ doesn't think of her as a friend, let alone a "best friend"? Will she still be as Ride or Die for KJ after this? I mean, if she barely knows LA, then does LA really want to die on this hill?
@@minajones8341 As one of our politicians said in a televised message regarding COVID and following public health orders, "they're one french fry short of a happy meal"
Looking for a birth certificate as she states she did, would require accessing Washington State Department of Health information. Another state is not going to have that information. Even ancestry has to get there data directly from the state the person was born or died in. She seems to think that because she used an intermediary website that is not in WA it meant she did use WA data, which I think is false because the data is coming directly from WA state even if she didn't go there herself.
KJ obtained the BC indirectly.Ancestory was the middle man.Which shows that KJ didn't directly dig into WA documents.I think that she had intent to do harm financially to Tati.Just my opinion.
@@jamieg.1392 but she would have to dig directly into was documents. You can’t actually obtain a BC from ancestry. If she did somehow see the BC on ancestry, then she literally paid ancestry which is pretty expensive and traced her family tree?!? Who tf does that?!
@@cheesehead4670 WOACB did that.That woman has lost her mind.She is struggling and I believe she is scared.And she should be.I am just looking at how a lawyer would strategically answer to WOACB's digging to get BC's. Will the judge say she retrieved it directly from WA or indirectly through Ancestry.Who knows.She is not a very smart cookie.
Honestly, I think the jurisdiction issue to simply to make things harder for the Westbrooks, but I don't think KJ has that kind of money to pull it off.
I think she just can't let someone else be right and has to fight everyone and everything who disagree with her no matter the cost instead of doing what's most beneficial to her. she must have been an awful toddler.
Exactly. She's crazy. I mean, getting into fights can be fun*, and I think it's fine to keep going if you think you're right. But there's a point when you.. just have to stop. There's a line you don't cross, for your own good. And I think getting into a legal battle with someone who can afford to buy your life qualifies as that. Tati can keep this up for way longer than KJ could even dream of... It's shocking how she doesn't seem to get that. *although claiming that someone has a criminal background or they sell snake oil and getting 4 C&Ds in return isn't the fun argument category but ok
On Ms. vs Mrs. Ms. can be used by both married and single women. The way a man is called Mr despite marital status, Ms is the answer to that. It's from women's liberation in the 70s.
I always address women by Ms, one because their marital status shouldn’t matter, and two, I feel it’s like the correct default since I don’t usually even know their marital status
This reply actually came back with a compelling argument. The fruit salad of the last one was... something from a drama/tea perspective but this one gave me the legal argument that I was really interested in seeing play out. Ultimately, these are the kind of legal discussions that are worth having. One where both sides holds up their logical and grounded arguments and then the court can deliberate on which one holds the most value or is contextually the most applicable. I am not a sports person but I imagine its like in football, you want a "good" game where both teams play hard and play by the rules and its a close match in the end. Thank you for breaking it down for us!
So, you're saying she's 'guilty' of defamation before the court has decided this? There are many criteria on which a defamation case is based. What you're actually saying could be construed as defamation as a court has not decided it IS defamation
I watched Uncivil Laws stream and there were some things that he was thinking had more weight than I thought they would, which matches closer to your statements. It is interesting to see the diversity of opinion. Once again going over the limit? After the last time youd think Brown would have made more effort to toe the line and not piss the judge off by showing "hey I respect your standing order" (I'm not sure if it's been extended for everything, but even if it was it would be courteous to say "hey I screwed up last time but you can see here I'm taking it seriously" Honestly so much of this felt like a pathetic "gotcha" attempt, because they keep arguing against stuff stated by the plaintiffs like it came from a vacuum, even though it was in REPONSE to THEIR motion! Like sure maybe those arguments about jurisdiction would have held more weight if those arguments weren't literally in response to KJ saying "washington? Never heard of her". Like it felt they were trying to take all the context out what the plaintiffs' response was for. This response was vastly improved from the motion to dismiss, but it still left me riled because more than one argument they refute exist in that way because of their butchered motion to dismiss.
Can we leave the phrase “what so ever” out of all legal documents. For that matter, I would be happier if I never heard that phrase again. Petty, I know.
I totally agree. We should get rid of the phrase “what so ever”. Instead, we should make it a word. That wouldn’t be annoying or petty whatsoever. 😝😝🙃🙃 lol 😜
This is how you know her and lawyer are watching uncivil laws channel. They ironically did exactly what he said he'd do... That's coincidental huh? I wish he'd stick to just giving opinions and not actual advice because Its like he's holding a giant cheat sheet up for them.
I feel like the judge wouldn't go for this simply bc it would almost set a precedent of no accountability for your actions on the internet, since then anyone could argue against any jurisdiction on the basis of the internet being too broad to identify an intended recipient
Exactly. With that in mind, it seems reasonable (to my non-lawyer mind) that they’re pursuing the case in Washington, because that is where the victim was living while she was being victimized, and KJ’s attorney hasn’t presented anything compelling about why any other state would be a better fit. Tati was in Washington, and KJ (allegedly) targeted, stalked, harassed, and defamed her while she was in Washington, period. Tati was able to provide proof that people in Washington were part of KJ’s audience, as well as active participants. KJ needs to give up the jurisdiction tantrum and focus on the other aspects of her case...
Feedback after completing some diagnostic assessments. It is good news as it will open better supports for school (and funding for him). But it was overwhelming to listen to where his deficits are.
I think it's more like our expectations were so low after the last one, that we're giving this one a lot more credit than it deserves. It's definitely an improvement, but it's not great. Especially compared to Saltzy's submissions
Omg they’re still on about the jurisdiction?! 🤦🏼♀️ And tbh after the first one that KJ wrote (allegedly imo) our standards were so low that it makes this motion look better than it actually is. It was just.. meh 🤷🏼♀️ Saltzy clearly said they’ll re file. The money alone by intentionally dragging this out will bury KJ. She’s bragging about how much she’s still making but don’t let her fool ya she isn’t balling like that lol
And if Saltzy didn't know that this morning, I bet he does now. KJ needs to stop saying things that the public at large is just going to poke holes in on behalf of the platiff
So what was decided about the judge's stipulation on page length for this response? And would they ever make them go back and retype it for formatting the pages incorrectly?
It's definitely written better than the Motion to Dismiss, but that format... again. Would you mind enabling captions? I'm old and often rely on captions to catch everything. 🙂
Second this. I don’t know the back end of UA-cam, at all. Is it an option to enable auto captions? I completely understand why providing proper captioning isn’t always possible. It’s expensive or very time consuming. That you’re probably in a place of - big enough audience to have viewers that use captions, but not big enough for the cost of that to be sustainable. Auto captions aren’t the ideal, but they’re also good enough to be functional. I feel like they’ve gotten better in the last year ish. Especially when someone is clear spoken, auto captions are accurate enough that context clues fill in the gaps.
Yes please! I'm hard of hearing since birth. I can't understand anything at all without the captions. :( I read lips too, but still miss a lot. But i think when it's live they're not aval. But Emily when you reupload don't forget to turn them on, please n thank you? 😊 I love this channel by the way! Im gonna stick around for the comments and re-watch later. ❤
I thumbs up the comment hoping you might get some more answers but it seems like videos that are longer then 15 minutes could take hours for captions to generate with some longer videos taking a half day. (This is a Google answer cause I was curious)
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Hi, from Italy here. One thing I don't understand is how are birth certificates available to everyone in the US. If I want a birth certificate of someone that is not me, here in Italy, I have to have in my possession a written paper signed by that person that I am authorized to do so together with an I.D. document of said person. The clerk that will give me the birth certificate will fill up and file away a template showing my details, I.D, and date together with the authorization paper and copy of the other person's I.D. That is a measure to protect the personal data of citizens, to avoid stolen identities, to avoid people discovering very private things about somebody else's life etc. This boggles me.
Here in the U.S., you can’t actually go get an official birth certificate for anyone...it has to be your own BC, or for someone you’re immediately related to (such as your own minor child). Some states are extremely restrictive about this; others are more flexible, but they still won’t give out an official birth certificate to a stranger. They may release a non-official birth record with limited information, but it will not be an official BC that could be used as proof of ID.
Same here in Australia. I have to apply for mine online because I live in another state of Australia than I was born in, but I have to provide ID and my parents details all the legal shit.. and have to do a electronic signature. Nobody can get my birth certificate.. I mean, kj won't ever find mine. She doesnt have any of my family's information to fill out the paperwork let alone the 100 points of ID needed.
@@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365 yes, im in australia. We can't get any persons birth certificate. Can only get our children's. May be able to get close family relatives but I haven't tried that. I doubt I can even get my husbands birth certificate.
If she uses ancestry most of the time it asked you what state you would like to search so I guarantee she selected Washington Sonia that not using Washington’s records!!
It is not telling that they didn't not mention if they had CA taxes in the year to whether they lived in CA. If they had work in CA, they most likely do have wages and taxes to CA. But it doesn't mean they lived there. You can have some checks recorded as living in the state and working in the same state and then part of the year reported as no longer living and paying taxes, when you move away. If you live in WA and work in CA, CA wants your taxes. This is not tax advice. (:
Truth! A friend of mine had to pay taxes in CA and some other state plus the state they actually lived in because her husband was in those other states so much for his work.
Thank you for this, Emily! It's hard to wait for your videos after the documents drop, but it is worth it because of the awesomely competent way you talk about things, explaining the concepts without talking down to your audience. It's an awesome skill not many people have. Thanks again for sharing it with us.
They are arguing schematics to try and avoid the bigger picture (defamation). Aka they are trying to slow things down but fighting against KJ having to go to Washington.....
Right?! I know she's ready to move past this suit, but after the last couple of months the... Light heartedness of the tea lawsuit is a welcome distraction to everything else going on
Emily, thank you for taking time away from your family (and remote learning) to serve up this tea while it's still hot. It is definitely appreciated! Your explanations are simple, clear and concise. 💜💜💜
And anything on mylife is basically defamatory anyway, definitely not a reliable source if you want to do a good job at reporting. If not, then I guess using that makes sense. 🤣
I needed this so much this morning. I'm so freaking stressed out. One of those, didn't sleep good, woke up to dogs incessantly barking, then kid talking loud, then just all the things! I need this so I'm motivated to do life today!
@theEmilyDBaker can you add a flowchart visual for where this is in its life cycle? I live listening to you, and your explanations of the laws and what all the legal-ly type words mean. I have never really watched any of Tatiana or KJ's video, nor do I care to, but I am absolutely hooked on listening to your reactions and explanations. #MathNerd is becoming a #LawNerd
I don’t understand how this is relevant, it has to be heard somewhere. I live in Australia and I’m sure the majority of the Ytube audience is outside Washington however, where could they hear this case when there is no global court and why is this such an issue to KJ argument.
Hi fellow Aussie 👋🏻 I feel like we’re just arguing for no reason at this point but this is how KJ is deflecting things away from actually acknowledging the defamation lol
Also a fellow Aussie, hope you are both staying safe atm x. My understanding is that the different states have slightly different laws, so one might be more favourable to defendants. Perhaps it's just a shot in the dark at the moment and part of a bigger strategy? But, I agree with both of you, I cannot see the logic in it!
I’m a public speaker and stand up comic and I worked in 30+ states in 2019 and paid state income tax in any state in which I met the respective minimum threshold to do so. I don’t think that legally means I’m now a resident of all of those states? It just means my taxes are an unfathomable nightmare
Do you have to pay full state income taxes on income earned in each state?
@@libbyannbest1723 it depends on how much I earned and what the requirements are for each state. But for each state I earned over a certain amount, yes I do. Luckily now my agency pays me so it’s all through California.
For those who keep saying KJ's lawyer needs to tell her to shut up: I don't think it's safe to assume that they *haven't* told her to keep quiet. What they advise her to do and what she does are two different things. She strikes me as someone who has trouble censoring herself. Her lawyer can't duct tape her mouth. All an attorney can do is advise - they can't control a client.
I agree. Her lawyer has told her but she doesn’t listen. Shut your mouth is the first thing a lawyer would tell you but she’s kJ the rules don’t apply to her.
She is also the type that thinks she knows better than everyone else, including lawyers.
@@refinnej5302 Yeah...she probably thinks she has done "enough of her own research" 😂😂
It's called: arrogance.
She must feel the need to pop up and say whats on her mind. It must make her feel some kind of control. In my humble opinion.
Honestly, I think first thing her lawyer said was no more videos, no more tweets, no more live streams on this. Talk about ANYTHING else, she is just too Karen to just shut up
I don't know about the other site mentioned, but Ancestry absolutely does not have birth certificates for people Tati's age. They very specifically try to avoid holding records for people who are alive.
I didn’t think so either. Wow is this another thing she’s lying about? Perjury not a good look
Yeah, if that was true then celebrities birth certificates would just be splashed around like spare change
They don’t give you documentation on living people! I don’t understand why they’re even arguing something so easily disproved
This is true. And every state has different rules whether they release BC at all. The general rule is 70 years, I think. So even if a state releases BC, they can't be sooner than 70 years after the fact. I believe that's how I understand it. So Tati's BC will be unavailable to anyone other than herself or designated relative on certain cases.
Maybe we can see Obamas birth certificate..
Isn't part of the point here the fact that she purposely perjured herself? Not to mention, considering she's been caught in lie after lie it's hard to believe anything at all in any of her filings.
This is what I was wondering !!
Exactly. That’s why I think there should be a screenshot of her analytics instead of her stating that she only has .07% of Washington viewers 🤷🏻♀️
@@snowwhite7704 truth... but officially she’s not allowed to and I believe that if they get access through YT they might get proof of deletion. But I’m not tech savvy enough to be sure
@@snowwhite7704 no, the analytics are from a certain time period in the past so she wouldn’t be able to go change those records simply by blocking or deleting people. Blocking and deleting would only show up the dates she blocked and deleted someone. She can most definitely show prove of the 0.7% or she wouldn’t have said it. Use your brain.
Im hoping shes charged w perjury & contempt...it wld b nice to see this arrogant cocky lunatic get some jail time
I posted this on Twitter to Emily and Saltzy ... KJ has a lack of understanding on how Ancestry.com accesses its records. When you pull a record up, and are going to cite it (which all good researchers should be doing), it specifically lists where the original data came from; i.e., KJ states that she accessed "images" from Ancestry.com and therefore not from Washington State. However, she doesn't seem to understand that Ancestry ACCESSES the state level records that are digitized -- therefore, she retrieved records from Washington State.
It just says on the site that records are kept on a database
Barbara - that is not really true. It can be difficult to parse when you are thinking electronic documents and aren’t an IT nerd/work in IT as your profession. However if you think of it in terms of what it would be considered if it was a hard copy document it can be more clearly understood.
For example, let’s say I was born in Virginia. And I have a copy of my Virginia birth certificate provided to me by DHeC/the state of Virginia. Years later I move away to attend college in Vermont. I provide the University of Vermont a copy of my Virginia birth certificate that they put in my student file in Burlington, Vermont. A year later, some new flashy scholarship is available- but only for students who were born in Virginia. So - when the admissions office in Vermont checks my student file and finds a copy of my Virginia birth certificate, they are actually accessing records in Vermont.... not Virginia...even though that document copy clearly states Certificate of Live Birth - State of Virginia.
Are they intentionally ignoring that someone can own multiple homes and reside in them at different times? It sounds like shaky argument to me. Tati’s husband could also have been staying at one home for a time and tati in the other. And are they really claiming only the two people saltzy had statements from are the only Washington viewers? Sounds like an invitation to subpoena some analytics. The last thing that sounded fishy to me is kj’s claim she only looked at two websites for the personal information. There’s already video of her saying she’s looking everywhere and even asked for donations if people liked that she was digging into her families personal documents. I wonder if there is record of kj paying any courthouses for documents or any FOIA requests.
I was getting a similar vibe - where they're arguing that Tati's social media posts of her in California are valid enough to prove she wasn't a WA resident, but then pictures on social of her in Washington...aren't valid enough to prove she was? It seems like they're kind of grasping at straws for the domicile argument in hopes the court just tosses it and that it discourages Tati and James from refiling in Minnesota
@@annabergeson5200 I suppose they can subpoena financial records to see which ATM's/stores they used MOST of the time. James Westbrook is not being entirely truthful in my opinion
I'm a WA viewer along with many friends/family/co-workers, so there's definitely plenty more.
And it doesn’t even matter. Lol they can file wherever they want.
@@goose7574 as am I.
KJ actually said she used Washington records to search for info on the Westbrook’s though... she said she went “above and beyond” the info usually available to the public and dug into them deeper than ever using other means during that one video public for all to see (if not deleted/privated 🙄) Does she not recall that everyone saw that clip to where she admits that fact?
I didn't see it, but she probably exaggerated to make it sound as if she was thorough and journalistic-y.
If she actively searched the records she would have to be there, get a friend to do it (who lives in Washington?)... or pay someone to research and get docs for her (costly I know as I have a family member who is a researcher)
Also said she spent hundreds on documents and was asking for her subs to donate if they would like........ so if only using two sites like ancestry and the other one mentioned would she spend hundreds and hundreds on documents through those two sites? That doesn’t make any sense to me.🧐
Can you request docs through my,Iife.com ancestry is only deceased peoples info
She’ll probably say that lied to impress her viewers, that she exaggerated her abilities to conduct thorough researches, she’s doesn’t really have the skills of a reporter. It’s all her UA-cam persona and none of it is fact. She’d probably get away with it because everyone who watches her knows how much she lies
Whoever wrote this DEFINITELY should have wrote the first one!
i 100% believe kj wrote the first one
I’m legit wondering if KJ switched what her lawyer wrote with a copy of her own version. I wonder how legal and possible that would be? I’m sure she got a lashing for it! This one is VERY different so she must have wised up.
Why do I feel like there’s a belief having the jurisdiction issue “won”, by KJ implies this goes away ? Saltzy has already said IF the jurisdiction motion is granted the case WILL BE REFILED.
Is KJ just going to keep having the case tossed from jurisdiction to jurisdiction ? that’s going to get expensive.
IMO, she believes that she will win it, no matter where it is brought. She also believes that she can go after them for maliciously using the courts to try to keep her from "Telling Her Truth." She really does believe that she is a victim, and being "used as an example" to scare other channels from reporting on The Westbrooks.." I do think that she will win the Tati side, I am not sure if she will win the James side, but the thing I question the most is, if UA-cam will allow her to keep her channel as she has to testify under oath about potential actions that broke UA-cam TOS.
Exactly. And I think this is part of the point: wear KJ down, financially.
Just seen your post , my thoughts exactly. ... why just give more money to the lawyers she isn’t going to win the defamation she did it in front of the whole world !! Uk 🇬🇧 here !!
i think she wants it in CA because she thinks it may get more coverage by outlets like TMZ, which in her mind will bring more traffic and grow her channel.
@@lg4377 KJ can't pick where they would refile. It's highly likely they would file in MN, especially since MN has laws favorable to the defamation case.
It’s internet mom reading a bed time story 😁
Lol I snorted best comment
I literally listen to her old lives when I'm taking naps so mood.
I made it 10 minutes before I was asleep 🤷🏻♀️😂
Omg I love it!!!
Omg! I just made a comment yesterday saying that I always have to re-watch Emily’s videos because her voice is so relaxing to me that I doze off (and I’m an insomniac so I don’t fall asleep easily at all.) When I found out Emily has an asmr channel I was stoked. I’ve fallen asleep at night to her reading the Constitution at least 4 times now 😂
Seems like an actual lawyer wrote this one
We know KJ wrote the first one for sure now
@@Meanie74 this 2nd filings absolutely proves she wrote the first. Lol smh 🤦♀️
Maybe the firm was so embarrassed by the bad publicity they made sure this was well written (by a lawyer)
I agree, it definitely seems like she penned the first document. But why on earth would they ever let her do that? That’s what I find so confusing.
@@gilmariebrioso1554 she seems to be a nightmare for a client. But you’d think a good firm would still know how to handle people like her. The further we get in this lawsuit I bet it will become clearer where the incompetency divides.
When she said “I receive hundreds of messages” I couldn’t help but hear “I can’t help it that people are so jealous of me, but I can’t help it that I’m popular”
All this and they haven't even technically started the damn trial yet...
the funny part is...even if they do dismiss on jurisdiction, Tati can just refile where KJ is.
Hahaha I know right!! Just imagine how crazy this shitshow is gonna get when they do!
She is already calling James a liar before she receives an explanation for his residency. 😆
Showing she doesnt understand how this started.
Even if she wins jurisdiction, this doesn’t go away. They’ll drag this out until she’s broke from lawyer fees.
Exactly, why not just take the location and try and do damage control so they don't kick her arse too much?
@Australian Made & Owned Products & ServicesI guarantee Tati isn’t wasting money on suing KJ. She won’t lose everything and this is strategic. KJ is all around screwed. I’m not a sub of Tati’s but KJ is dangerous and needs to lose her platform.
@@herbiehopkins When it comes to KJ, anything logical is thrown in a trash can, set on fire and buried. She’s the most nonsensical person I’ve ever seen. Her husband is a close second. 🤣
@Australian Made & Owned Products & Services
It's very possible that Tati will be able to sue for Attorney fees, because of what's happened to her.
Typical rich Goliath attacking small David.
I don't understand KJ's jurisdiction argument.
My sister & her husband own 3 homes, MA, NH & FLA. They are residents of MA because they live 51% of the year in MA.
Right? Shouldn't the fact that the Westbrooks live primarily in Washington and they are the affected party be enough to prove WA jurisdiction? KJ's argument doesn't make sense to me either.
This was so interesting. KJ’s lawyers seem to have found their footing a little better. I don’t really think it will be enough to win though
He must've gone back to his Law Books! I am proud of the guy. Now if could just get his client to refrain from speaking about the case, and getting into bickering altercations with other creators!
Yeah, their original motion read like a poorly written term paper by a law student who hadn't slept in 3 days. With the help of their roommate, Cher. Haha, sorry, couldn't resist throwing that in there. I'm not in the lawyer-y business.
I think her lawyer grew a back bone and didn't allow her to write this response since the first filing from him was ripped to shreds and clearly put his reputation on the line.
@@Angelica2020 🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏
Lol they just watched one of @uncivil law’s video
KJ said SHE searched records in WA, HI, CA she didn't say she used a site that searched there.
I'd like to know how much that matters, it seems like a way to muddy the waters to me.
Regardless of if she went to those states and looked at their records, phoned them or found them online, the information came from those states, so doesn't it amount to the same thing?
I'm in the UK so I don't really know how it works with states or the US as a whole, but this just sounds like a diversion tactic to me.
@@herbiehopkins Not necessarily. Going to the state to search OR using resources located in the state (like government servers) goes to the “purposeful availment” of the resources of the forum, granting jurisdiction. If it a 3rd party site that gathers information and stores it on a different server in a different state, KJ can better argue she did not avail herself of the resources of the state.
It is nit picky, but that is the law for you. Also courts and legislatures are WAY behind on the interwebz stuff. ;)
@@myddrinemrys8988 Blimey, that's one hell of a sneaky loophole! Thank you for explaining that to me, I'd never of considered that was a possibility.
@@herbiehopkins Yup. It is why Emily, Uncivil, VIva, Nick, etc. often seem to fixate on small details. Those details really, REALLY matter in the law.
@@myddrinemrys8988 I see that now. U.S Law is so much more complicated than U.K Law, we don't have to consider things such as which County, Town or Village information came from just if it's true and provable.
Cute how they don’t even comment on the purposeful deletion of videos and comments... hmm
Does anyone else think KJ’s lawyer has been watching Emily’s videos for tips? Lol
100%🤣
Oh he's definitively watching.
And uncivil law too
@@keely1368 definitely lol
Oh absolutely!!!!
I’m thinking one aspect they haven’t touched on is not just the effect of WOACB’s videos but the many many videos that reported on what she said. The effect is much broader than her own channel audience. I mean that’s how I heard about it. I decided to purchase another brand of hair vitamin because of how horrible what I was hearing was. Even though I didn’t hear it directly from her, what she said totally affected my decision.
but in this scenario, if Katie’s audience is from the whole world and Tati lives in Washington, where should the lawsuit be if not Washington? This is a bit stupid
I left this on uncivil laws video. Like if they sued in Minnesota wouldn't kjs lawyer just say there was no "brunt of harm" there? ? Same thing in California? ? If not Washington then where WOULD be the appropriate place to sue?
Has the law caught up to technology, in that regard?
It seems to me that the defence strategy here is to digress from the subject itself and to argue about jurisdiction and other things until Tati’s side gets tired of this. They would argue any jurisdiction: Washington, Minnesota, anything. I wonder what happened if Salzy claims it to be a federal case... Is it even possible to get this to a federal level?
@@ladychiffa4400 lol the funny thing is I don’t think Tatis side will get tired- especially since she can afford to drag this out for YEARS and KJ cannot 😂 watching her crash and burn is fascinating
Kj also fails to mention halo in this response.. which is situated.. in Washington.
Also, you can only get birth records from places where someone is born.. so theres that.
Another thing to mention is that she basically admitted to using a website that is defamatory and unreliable.. you should read the ftc class action against mylife dot com - basically, even if you dont have any criminal records, it will say they do.. just so someone pays for their website.. the ftc class action lawsuit with the mylife is an interesting read. The fact she admitted to using that as a source, definitely shows that kj herself is not a credible source by any means on anything she says. 🤣
As someone in a journalism major I think her understanding of "sources" is so bad. I cringed so hard at 45:11 that it honestly hurt. My VERY FIRST CLASS of journalism basics went over this. Sources aren't just people.
THANK YOU. Sources can’t just be “unnamed” people” who she claims are close someone she’s talking about. If she knew anything about journalism, or writing in general, she would know that she bears the burden of proof. If she can’t cite her sources properly, then it’s reasonable for her audience to assume that she has no source, and that she made everything up. No citation = no source. If I can’t fact check it or verify it for myself, I have to assume it’s a lie 🤷🏻♀️
The fact that they argued "Tati has social media posts in LA so she lives there, but these social media posts in Washington don't prove that she lives there". Like WHAT? If social media is "proof" in one it can't not be proof in another just because it doesn't suit your argument.
Tati said in numerous videos about Sherman Oaks being her 'home' and where her office is. This was up to December 2019. She can't delete these videos but, there's lots of proof what Tati says, that she is in LA FULL TIME. She also made a video in late 2019 (December) saying she'd moved to Seattle. In April 2020, she'd got her stepson to mail her PR packages from their home in California , to Seattle. Tati has also used an L.A based P.O Box number for years
@@CaroleEvans93436 that isn’t legal proof. Her home can be anywhere she has a home, which can be multiple places. I don’t live with my parents and I call both my apartment home and my parents house “home” even though my apartment is where I domicile.
@@outlinedinmusic According to the channel 'uncivil law' - where you live for more than 50% of the time is where your residence is - and I suppose where you're supposedly domiciled at too
KJ is spending so much money...to just get sued in a different state?! Like what is the point of all this? She’s just prolonging the inevitable and racking up fees.
So I'm only a few minutes into Emily reading a reply but to me it sounds like the lawyer actually wrote this this time, as opposed to letting KJ write it which is what it sounds like he did the last time. 😂
This is exactly what I was thinking
It looks like KJ’s lawyer has been watching the “UA-cam Lawyers”. He’s just taking all the suggestions he has been listening to on UA-cam and applying it to his defense documents....Honestly, I think you and the other smart lawyers discussing this case online helps KJ’s case. It’s like she’s getting free advice and taking it...
It doesn't seem like KJP is willing to listen to anyone, including the lawyers she's paying for their presumed expertise. However, the lawyers themselves might actually be looking into the ideas the "UA-cam Lawyers" bring up! ;)
And the same could be said for saltzy and the other lawyer (in the halo beauty lawsuit). Free advice for everyone.
So does Katie’s lawyer not understand the difference between residency and domicile? Cause he seems to think they’re the same thing.
I’m willing to bet anyone working for her (KJ) doesn’t have the common sense of a mushroom, just like their client 🤷🏼♀️
When the first one went in, I was sure she was her own lawyer, this time around seems a bit more professional, still stupid though, so she must have had a big hand in it.
Someone’s lawyer skipped day 1 of 1L civ pro 😂
James Westbrook claims to have been a full time resident of Washington since 2018 but, Tati states in videos that they only resided there from Dec 2019
@@CaroleEvans93436 It's possible, he could have gone ahead of her to make sure the house was ready, if it needed work or something.
I'd say Tati and James only were in LA for her to film her videos in the beauty room and didn't want to disclose her actual residence location at the time because KJ was pretty much (allegedly) stalking her.
I mean honest to god she'd have saved a fortune just going to court in Washington in the first place.
right😂 at this point, after all of the shenanigans, there's probably no use in trying to run😕
i wonder what is the point of this arguing where to have the lawsuit.
@@jennyshavarska9101 hey there-as different states have different laws, it may be advantageous for Tati’s side to have the suit in Washington because the laws may be friendlier to her argument.
@Rita Jo I'm not convinced they will, though. Looking at the evidence that's been compiled we have Katie committing purjery, acting in contempt of a motion to preserve evidence, blatant defamatory statements coupled with selling her content as "facts based," openly supporting threats against the people involved in the lawsuit, and consistently waiving her own confidentiality rights throughout the process. None of that changes from Washington to California, and while that state is more lenient with journalism Katie would have to even prove that she's a "journalist" at all to be covered. With confirmed cases of her swaying opinions of previously paying customers of Halo with her statements that she did not specify as speculation I don't think she'll be half as protected as she thinks she is.
Even then, this case work alone will ruin her. I can't imagine what her bill is going to be by the end of this.
“Overstating the case” sounds like they’re telling Saltzy that he’s overacting in my head ... cause they’re in a Legally blond movie acting this out. Okay back to the movie
I’m excited for the response. Can’t wait to see all the shade and receipts lol
@@OpalBLeigh it is a nice distraction
Anyone else feel like Mr. Brown was MUCH more invested in this document than he was the last one? 🤣
Yes!
He didn’t let her write this one (just a hunch)
The last one sounded to me like they took a template and didn’t edit it correctly.
I'm thinking Mr. Brown either let KJ or a junior attorney write the first document (not sure why, though, makes no sense to me).
Then, when things started happening - and I guess when he saw the word salad - he got involved and produced this document. However, he probably still let the incompetent person do some minor stuff - the number of lines is still not correct per judge's order, and KJ supplemental declaration has two typos that I could find with just a cursory reading. So, there is still some fuckery going on here.
Yeah and ironically he filed some of this after uncivil law suggested this over and over...like copy /paste...so maybe he's not that invested..
One word: Adsense. Subscribers aren't the only source of income for youtubers. I like how they fail to mention that fact, though the analytics will easily establish the income from Adsense. At least it isn't a fruit salad this time.
James may have mentioned that in his declaration. I know he spoke about income generation on UA-cam pretty in depth, but I didn’t read it.
Ok so:
1. KJ’s lawyer sounds much more competent in this motion than in anything else we’ve heard from him.
2. Just because you own a house, doesn’t mean you live there. This happens to regular people too, not just rich people. (Real life example: the man who my hubs & I bought our house from had bought this house with the intention of retiring in it with his wife, but she got sick and died before they could move in, so the house sat empty for 6 years. He never lived here.)
3. If “residence” and “domicile” are different, they need to be defined and used differently, not interchangeably.
4. I still don’t believe KJ, though. Especially since she won’t SHUT THE FUCK UP when she’s in the middle of an active lawsuit.
5. I want all the receipts!!! Let’s get to discovery y’all!!
James Westbrook literally told the court he 'moved' to Washington in 2018 but, told another court he lived in California AFTER the fact........ seems a bit dodgy in my opinion. I don't suppose lying to the court will go down well. Financial records of day to day transactions will show where they lived ;)
@@CaroleEvans93436 True. Right now I’m seeing lots of lies in sworn statements! Yikes. I’m interested to see what exactly gets uncovered. I really want them to settle this damned jurisdiction stuff so we can get to the actual meat of the lawsuit. 👀
@@CaroleEvans93436 I live in Oklahoma half the time and Texas half the time. He may go back and forth... Alot of people who own businesses do. Also people who do business in multiple states. Open your mind a little to possibilities other than lying.
@@CaroleEvans93436 if you have multiple residences, then you can live in multiple places. It matters more where he was domiciled. My grandparents go to Florida in the winter so I send their packages to that address because that’s where they live. The rest of the year, they live in Minnesota and their packages and mail goes there. It’s like when you go to college. There are a lot of reasons why people live multiple places.
@@tootieramsey9766 You make a great point!! Thanks for bringing this up. I didn’t think of that.
This doesn't even sound like the same attorney lol
I think KJ switched counsel but I could be wrong!
@@soph2799 she didn’t. It’s the same lawyer from the same firm in Seattle. Speculation is that she wrote the first one. That or the firm got embarrassed and made him step up his game.
@@jordymarek6290 I would love to know what they said to him. I’m sure that was a sassy conversation. Lol. This whole case is like a telenovela. It’s so dramatic. Lol
You: “I’ve been a lawyer for over 15 years”
Me thinking you’re 30 👁👄👁
S A M E.
The line numbers don’t match up to the lines and it’s SO distracting and frustrating. Where was the Microsoft paper clip when we needed him?!! Ughhh
I miss Clippy!!!
This also drove me nuts!
Where's our hero when we need him!
Oh no! Thanks friend. Now? This ALL i can see.
😉
Selfishly was hoping for another fruit salad lol
Same, but I still think this one is kind of choppy. It might be because this is Emily skimming and doing a first look and not going as in depth, but his arguments don’t seem to flow together very well, in my opinion.
Honestly, where I the judge that got his/her standing order ignored, again, I would dismissed the document altogether and grant jurisdiction just out of pettiness. I mean how hard can it be to write a document on 26 lines?
That is saying to me, I don’t care about your rules cause I believe you have no business with this suit whatsoever and it would pissed me as hell
I took a paralegal/legal assistant course 30 years ago, and when we were doing up these things, if we didn't do it according to the rules (which we had copies of, from the court), it would be rejected. Right down to if you forgot ONE memo. And if you kept making mistakes, you failed and the "court" threw whatever you'd screwed up on, out. (I hate civil for this reason lol much preferred legal research bc nerd, and wills & probate bc dead easy (pun intended 😋). Civil and family law are very very work/paperwork intensive and just... no. My brain can't handle that.)
They almost doubled the line count and still exceeded the page limit lol 😂
The lawyer shade would've been more effective when saying that Saltz failed to comment on passages (or whatever) if the original document from KJ's side had referenced any law it was using for reference. IANAL - but I deal with a lot of documentation. BTW the page numbering is killing me. Aghhhhh
Tati has a video when she was in Seatle with James, and his son, was in their home in LA(I believe he still lives there) sent her mail. It even shows footage the son sent from the studio in the LA home but they were not there
27th April 2020. Tati moved to Seattle in December 2019 - according to her videos around that time. Before this, she discussed her personal trainer in L.A and her L.A hair stylist - who also did Katy Perry's hair
Um from what I’ve seen during my family research Ancestry doesn’t show any documents regarding people that are still alive..
Did she just perjure herself again?! How is the court to believe anything she says from now on out?
You can’t believe a word she says
@@loulou9978 What is that expression, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice...
@@janem3575 yes but I don’t remember thrice lol
She could have been looking up Tati and James’ relatives like James’s mother who passed who she mentions in some of her videos?
Tax prof comment: of course they paid tax to California. Likely many states. Washington not having income tax could go either way though, but I’m not a Washington expert. I do think saying “hey see they paid tax in California” is absurd, anyone who does business in California does. (Good reason to shift depreciation and expenses over so you don’t hit the minimum income for taxation)
KJ is loosing the plot , she is unraveling, there is something about Emily that rubs the wrong way, and I knowwhat it is "Class" Keep up with the great work Emily !!!
kJ can’t hack strong women... look at the people she has had disagreements with
People also genuinely LIKE and ADMIRE emily.
Shes strong, smart, funny, attractive and a good person with a successful career and happy/fulfilling personal life.
ALL the things KJ is JEALOUS of.
Lmfao, the court is about to be like “bring the receipts” 😂💅🏻🫖☕️🐸
Her statement that only .07% of her audience is from Washington is not reliable. I think a screenshot of her analytics would go a long way.
“I love a sassy footnote” ~ I’d buy that on a shirt.
I wonder how that Lori Ann chick feels now knowing that KJ doesn't think of her as a friend, let alone a "best friend"? Will she still be as Ride or Die for KJ after this? I mean, if she barely knows LA, then does LA really want to die on this hill?
nah... she sounds unstable
@@janem3575 Anyone who threatens violence over a petty internet tiff has clearly lost the plot
@@minajones8341 As one of our politicians said in a televised message regarding COVID and following public health orders, "they're one french fry short of a happy meal"
Especially since she deleted her social media accounts for KJ. I’d consider that best friend behavior.
Looking for a birth certificate as she states she did, would require accessing Washington State Department of Health information. Another state is not going to have that information. Even ancestry has to get there data directly from the state the person was born or died in. She seems to think that because she used an intermediary website that is not in WA it meant she did use WA data, which I think is false because the data is coming directly from WA state even if she didn't go there herself.
KJ obtained the BC indirectly.Ancestory was the middle man.Which shows that KJ didn't directly dig into WA documents.I think that she had intent to do harm financially to Tati.Just my opinion.
@@jamieg.1392 but she would have to dig directly into was documents. You can’t actually obtain a BC from ancestry. If she did somehow see the BC on ancestry, then she literally paid ancestry which is pretty expensive and traced her family tree?!? Who tf does that?!
@@cheesehead4670 WOACB did that.That woman has lost her mind.She is struggling and I believe she is scared.And she should be.I am just looking at how a lawyer would strategically answer to WOACB's digging to get BC's. Will the judge say she retrieved it directly from WA or indirectly through Ancestry.Who knows.She is not a very smart cookie.
Anyone notice allegedly KJ new word on every Twitter and video is about her being defamed. Where she never said that word before. Allegedly.
No because I don’t watch her trash 😂
Omg it irks me so bad when she tells people “you’re defaming me” she likes to pull “gaslight” out of her ass too and use it wrong.
Katie: "I looked everywhere, everywhere!"
Katie you looked on two websites?
Honestly, I think the jurisdiction issue to simply to make things harder for the Westbrooks, but I don't think KJ has that kind of money to pull it off.
Tati will Perdue it in kJ home state if it does not stick she has the money to fight it to the bitter end...
I think she just can't let someone else be right and has to fight everyone and everything who disagree with her no matter the cost instead of doing what's most beneficial to her. she must have been an awful toddler.
Exactly. She's crazy. I mean, getting into fights can be fun*, and I think it's fine to keep going if you think you're right. But there's a point when you.. just have to stop. There's a line you don't cross, for your own good. And I think getting into a legal battle with someone who can afford to buy your life qualifies as that. Tati can keep this up for way longer than KJ could even dream of... It's shocking how she doesn't seem to get that.
*although claiming that someone has a criminal background or they sell snake oil and getting 4 C&Ds in return isn't the fun argument category but ok
On Ms. vs Mrs.
Ms. can be used by both married and single women. The way a man is called Mr despite marital status, Ms is the answer to that. It's from women's liberation in the 70s.
I always address women by Ms, one because their marital status shouldn’t matter, and two, I feel it’s like the correct default since I don’t usually even know their marital status
This reply actually came back with a compelling argument. The fruit salad of the last one was... something from a drama/tea perspective but this one gave me the legal argument that I was really interested in seeing play out. Ultimately, these are the kind of legal discussions that are worth having. One where both sides holds up their logical and grounded arguments and then the court can deliberate on which one holds the most value or is contextually the most applicable. I am not a sports person but I imagine its like in football, you want a "good" game where both teams play hard and play by the rules and its a close match in the end. Thank you for breaking it down for us!
Sounds like she actually let her lawyer write this one. $$$$😊
They should thank you. With all the reaction and commentary on this lawsuit, you and your cohorts basically showed them how to argue this case.
So basically, they're fighting jurisdiction, but not at all facing the fact that homegirl is absolutely guilty of defamation?
Once the jurisdiction is decided then we can get into the juicy defamation stuff 🤑
So, you're saying she's 'guilty' of defamation before the court has decided this? There are many criteria on which a defamation case is based. What you're actually saying could be construed as defamation as a court has not decided it IS defamation
@@CaroleEvans93436 🤣🤣 good luck with that
@@Takobella I'm just stating a fact. Here in the UK, that statement would be libellous
You are such a gift 🖤 can’t wait to see where this journey takes you.
T.v!!!!
I watched Uncivil Laws stream and there were some things that he was thinking had more weight than I thought they would, which matches closer to your statements. It is interesting to see the diversity of opinion.
Once again going over the limit? After the last time youd think Brown would have made more effort to toe the line and not piss the judge off by showing "hey I respect your standing order" (I'm not sure if it's been extended for everything, but even if it was it would be courteous to say "hey I screwed up last time but you can see here I'm taking it seriously"
Honestly so much of this felt like a pathetic "gotcha" attempt, because they keep arguing against stuff stated by the plaintiffs like it came from a vacuum, even though it was in REPONSE to THEIR motion! Like sure maybe those arguments about jurisdiction would have held more weight if those arguments weren't literally in response to KJ saying "washington? Never heard of her". Like it felt they were trying to take all the context out what the plaintiffs' response was for.
This response was vastly improved from the motion to dismiss, but it still left me riled because more than one argument they refute exist in that way because of their butchered motion to dismiss.
"Washington? Never heard of her." Surprised a real laugh out of me. 10/10
"Over reading" is lawyer talk for "It's not that deep!" XD Hahaha!
Can we leave the phrase “what so ever” out of all legal documents. For that matter, I would be happier if I never heard that phrase again. Petty, I know.
I feel like it's not professional to use "what so ever". I don't know. It just doesn't sound right in a professional document.
I totally agree. We should get rid of the phrase “what so ever”. Instead, we should make it a word. That wouldn’t be annoying or petty whatsoever. 😝😝🙃🙃 lol 😜
I think KJ just loves this association with Tati, it makes her feel important even if it’s as disfunctional as hell
This is how you know her and lawyer are watching uncivil laws channel. They ironically did exactly what he said he'd do... That's coincidental huh? I wish he'd stick to just giving opinions and not actual advice because Its like he's holding a giant cheat sheet up for them.
I love that the ad I’m seeing is for a lawyer that specializes in anti-defamation online.
Also loooooove your content, but it just made me laugh
I feel like the judge wouldn't go for this simply bc it would almost set a precedent of no accountability for your actions on the internet, since then anyone could argue against any jurisdiction on the basis of the internet being too broad to identify an intended recipient
Exactly. With that in mind, it seems reasonable (to my non-lawyer mind) that they’re pursuing the case in Washington, because that is where the victim was living while she was being victimized, and KJ’s attorney hasn’t presented anything compelling about why any other state would be a better fit. Tati was in Washington, and KJ (allegedly) targeted, stalked, harassed, and defamed her while she was in Washington, period. Tati was able to provide proof that people in Washington were part of KJ’s audience, as well as active participants. KJ needs to give up the jurisdiction tantrum and focus on the other aspects of her case...
I had a big appointment with my kid's psychologist so I'm grateful for the distraction
Hope it went well x
Best wishes!
Hope everything turned out alright! 🌻
Hugs.... kudos to you for being a good mom and attending to your kid's mental health.
Feedback after completing some diagnostic assessments. It is good news as it will open better supports for school (and funding for him). But it was overwhelming to listen to where his deficits are.
Did she change lawyers? This one seems to be speaking lawyer a lot more fluently than the initial motion to dismiss.
That’s what happens when you allow a professional to do the job the are trained to do
I think it's more like our expectations were so low after the last one, that we're giving this one a lot more credit than it deserves. It's definitely an improvement, but it's not great. Especially compared to Saltzy's submissions
I was thinking this! It’s written so differently.
I think she let the lawyer lawyer this time
I think she has the same lawyer, he just decided to finally look at the law suit and participate.
Omg they’re still on about the jurisdiction?! 🤦🏼♀️ And tbh after the first one that KJ wrote (allegedly imo) our standards were so low that it makes this motion look better than it actually is. It was just.. meh 🤷🏼♀️ Saltzy clearly said they’ll re file. The money alone by intentionally dragging this out will bury KJ. She’s bragging about how much she’s still making but don’t let her fool ya she isn’t balling like that lol
Almost 75k subscribers!!!! Congratulations 🍾
I didn’t think ancestry allowed access to living people. Interesting.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.. I’ve been on Ancestry even have a paid subscription and they only show documents of deceased individuals
Yeah same here! I was only able to find deceased ancestors... come on KJ 🤨🤨
They do not.
I use ancestry often for work and they do NOT
Interesting 🤔
And if Saltzy didn't know that this morning, I bet he does now. KJ needs to stop saying things that the public at large is just going to poke holes in on behalf of the platiff
So what was decided about the judge's stipulation on page length for this response?
And would they ever make them go back and retype it for formatting the pages incorrectly?
i had some profs in university that would make you shorten it, one would just stop reading at the page limit.
So happy I've discovered you! Love from New Zealand :)
The ad I got fot this video was for two internet lawyers saying they can help you win your internet defamation case. Hahahahahaha can't escape!
It's definitely written better than the Motion to Dismiss, but that format... again. Would you mind enabling captions? I'm old and often rely on captions to catch everything. 🙂
Second this. I don’t know the back end of UA-cam, at all. Is it an option to enable auto captions?
I completely understand why providing proper captioning isn’t always possible. It’s expensive or very time consuming. That you’re probably in a place of - big enough audience to have viewers that use captions, but not big enough for the cost of that to be sustainable.
Auto captions aren’t the ideal, but they’re also good enough to be functional. I feel like they’ve gotten better in the last year ish. Especially when someone is clear spoken, auto captions are accurate enough that context clues fill in the gaps.
@@dcnjosacbeoqj yes, it’s an option :)
Yes please! I'm hard of hearing since birth. I can't understand anything at all without the captions. :( I read lips too, but still miss a lot. But i think when it's live they're not aval. But Emily when you reupload don't forget to turn them on, please n thank you? 😊 I love this channel by the way! Im gonna stick around for the comments and re-watch later. ❤
@@dcnjosacbeoqj There is an option for captions, but it takes a while for them to become active once selected.
I thumbs up the comment hoping you might get some more answers but it seems like videos that are longer then 15 minutes could take hours for captions to generate with some longer videos taking a half day. (This is a Google answer cause I was curious)
Hi, from Italy here. One thing I don't understand is how are birth certificates available to everyone in the US. If I want a birth certificate of someone that is not me, here in Italy, I have to have in my possession a written paper signed by that person that I am authorized to do so together with an I.D. document of said person. The clerk that will give me the birth certificate will fill up and file away a template showing my details, I.D, and date together with the authorization paper and copy of the other person's I.D. That is a measure to protect the personal data of citizens, to avoid stolen identities, to avoid people discovering very private things about somebody else's life etc. This boggles me.
Yes! Same.
Here in the U.S., you can’t actually go get an official birth certificate for anyone...it has to be your own BC, or for someone you’re immediately related to (such as your own minor child). Some states are extremely restrictive about this; others are more flexible, but they still won’t give out an official birth certificate to a stranger. They may release a non-official birth record with limited information, but it will not be an official BC that could be used as proof of ID.
Same here in Australia. I have to apply for mine online because I live in another state of Australia than I was born in, but I have to provide ID and my parents details all the legal shit.. and have to do a electronic signature. Nobody can get my birth certificate.. I mean, kj won't ever find mine. She doesnt have any of my family's information to fill out the paperwork let alone the 100 points of ID needed.
@@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365 yes, im in australia. We can't get any persons birth certificate. Can only get our children's. May be able to get close family relatives but I haven't tried that. I doubt I can even get my husbands birth certificate.
You need the two forms of ID, fill paperwork out, and then get two copies.
I lost mine so I had to replace it. Same for SS card.
why do the lines of text not line up with the numbers on the left??? it's driving me nuts
SAME!
If she uses ancestry most of the time it asked you what state you would like to search so I guarantee she selected Washington Sonia that not using Washington’s records!!
Emily looking beautiful while breaking down this juicy lawsuit and responses ! Go girllll
KJ is completely out of her league and deep down she knows it.
She **has to be** shitting herself behind the scenes, even though she keeps denying it.
This KJ litigation additionally strengthens 🕸the lawsuit against their investor/partner. 🕷
Wow I absolutely love the intro music!!!! It got me HYPED to listen to some law commentary!
It is not telling that they didn't not mention if they had CA taxes in the year to whether they lived in CA. If they had work in CA, they most likely do have wages and taxes to CA. But it doesn't mean they lived there.
You can have some checks recorded as living in the state and working in the same state and then part of the year reported as no longer living and paying taxes, when you move away.
If you live in WA and work in CA, CA wants your taxes.
This is not tax advice. (:
Truth! A friend of mine had to pay taxes in CA and some other state plus the state they actually lived in because her husband was in those other states so much for his work.
Would it matter if Tati lived in Wa and James was still in Ca for a period? They seem to go hard on James but no mention of her.
Thank you for this, Emily! It's hard to wait for your videos after the documents drop, but it is worth it because of the awesomely competent way you talk about things, explaining the concepts without talking down to your audience. It's an awesome skill not many people have. Thanks again for sharing it with us.
That Calabasas/Wyoming homes shade 😅
This crystal ball is cracked. Lol
But wait! She’s claimed she’s without a crystal ball! 🔮
Yay I’m still awake!! Thanks Emily!
Just here, doing the "UA-camy things".
You truly are my favorite!
Have an amazing day!!
💜💜💜🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼
Such a perfect way to start the morning. Thank you, Emily!
I am so lost!! I dont understand what this lawsuit is about amore ...
They are arguing schematics to try and avoid the bigger picture (defamation). Aka they are trying to slow things down but fighting against KJ having to go to Washington.....
Back here 3 years later while I take notes on International Shoe for my Civil Procedure class 💜
Kj was tweeting about you today ... that she reached out to you for an unbiased rebuttal.. lol .. she needs to hush.. she just cant
Yasss 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 I needed a change in pace from politics @ the moment.
Right?! I know she's ready to move past this suit, but after the last couple of months the... Light heartedness of the tea lawsuit is a welcome distraction to everything else going on
Emily, thank you for taking time away from your family (and remote learning) to serve up this tea while it's still hot. It is definitely appreciated! Your explanations are simple, clear and concise. 💜💜💜
Thank you for this breakdown!! This helps me understand so much!
i don't think you can pull the records she did on tati's immediate family through mylife or ancestry....
And anything on mylife is basically defamatory anyway, definitely not a reliable source if you want to do a good job at reporting. If not, then I guess using that makes sense. 🤣
And ancestry only shows the information that people have put up about themselves. And someone mentioned on Twitter, none of tatis shit is on there.
According to KJ, Emily you are in biggg twouble mister. 😂🤣😂🤣
She’s just delusional like she rules the UA-cam world. kJ acts like this case is a UA-cam fight
Hope captioning will be available soon! I'm falling behind!!
I needed this so much this morning. I'm so freaking stressed out. One of those, didn't sleep good, woke up to dogs incessantly barking, then kid talking loud, then just all the things! I need this so I'm motivated to do life today!
@theEmilyDBaker can you add a flowchart visual for where this is in its life cycle? I live listening to you, and your explanations of the laws and what all the legal-ly type words mean. I have never really watched any of Tatiana or KJ's video, nor do I care to, but I am absolutely hooked on listening to your reactions and explanations. #MathNerd is becoming a #LawNerd
YAY new video... Emily you keep me awake to 4 am because I am addicted to these videos... gotta "watch" or listen to everything
I don’t understand how this is relevant, it has to be heard somewhere. I live in Australia and I’m sure the majority of the Ytube audience is outside Washington however, where could they hear this case when there is no global court and why is this such an issue to KJ argument.
Hi fellow Aussie 👋🏻 I feel like we’re just arguing for no reason at this point but this is how KJ is deflecting things away from actually acknowledging the defamation lol
Also a fellow Aussie, hope you are both staying safe atm x. My understanding is that the different states have slightly different laws, so one might be more favourable to defendants. Perhaps it's just a shot in the dark at the moment and part of a bigger strategy? But, I agree with both of you, I cannot see the logic in it!