I just bought the Denon X3800H and set it up last weekend. Listen to TechnoDad, he knows what he's talking about here: this new AVR from Denon totally ROCKS!!! (No, I don't work for Denon; I'm merely a happy customer). I own a Reavon X100 blu-ray player, which before I was outputting the video HDMI directly to my LG OLED TV. But now I am sending the audio/video signal through the Denon X3800H, and the video upscaling of this AVR is AMAZING! A noticeable picture-quality improvement, especially with newer UHD-4K movie disks. The sound quality is full and dynamic through my Klipsch 7.2 home theater speaker setup. For about $1,700, now you're playing with the big boys!
Started my home theater journey with Denon X4700h in 21'. Jumped straight to an Anthem 70 8K processor. Thanks to you, Chana. I now have a 9.2.6 full separates in my living room. Your videos have helped me tremendously.
Trying to decide on the Denon x6700h or x4800h etc.I don't want to spend more than $3400 .I currently have a 5.2.4 setup . Any receiver recommendations my setup is power hungry especially my paradigm 90p monitor towers
@@TechnoDad I believe I’ve heard this before and I’m pretty sure you might’ve said it but I’m planning on doing six height channels on my X6700h with voice of God and center height. Do you know if this is the same as the 3800h when it comes to getting the most out of atmos?
Good news! After my refund come through on X3800 number one, I decided to take a shot at another one (from Best Buy with a return period through Jan. 14, 2023). Once again I had some Preset issues, not quite the same as on the first unit, but still, pretty bizarre. Ah, but this past week, Denon put out a firmware update for the X3800 and it appears to have solved the Presets issues. Since Denon never publishes a lot of specifics about what their updates actually fix/improve, they might not even know that the update fixed this problem, but either way. I'm a happy camper now.
This is an awesome receiver, I got it for Xmas and it's been no disappointment since then. Looking forward to buy some tactile transducers to check that out
I really enjoy your going into detail videos! One thing that came to my mind. Now if we forget your comment about single surround back not panning properly. Wouldn't it be great if there was 11.1 setting with 6 bed layer speaker using single surround back and 5 height channels including center height. Cause in the end top surround is not that important. But you'd get excellent center height and something back in your bed layer without the need to upgrade to x67(8)00h to get them in same configuration.
Great points! It's really up to Denon/Marantz to put in that kind of functionality. Some people without room for surround back could have room for front wide but Denon won't let you have front wides until you step up to the X6700/X6800. So it's really up to them.
Hi, I have a pioneer 9.2channel, and after watching your video on true Dolby Atmos, I changed my sound round back speakers from ether side of my couch, to behind the , lieing both speakers on their backs. Then put on two 4k dvds to try out the sound and boy what a difference. I am now looking at the hz because I am using large speaks for a 7.1.2 system. So a big thank you for should a well round video on Dolby Atmos.
I was about to pull the trigger on getting a Rotel 1576mkii (for the same price as this) but this has changed the game. Update on hdmi, 4 subs outs, Dirac, multi zone and Made in Japan. Glad I waited lol
@@TechnoDad I need the 6800 NOW! Have the 3800 and before the 6700, i need the 6800, external Amplifikation with the 3800 is just not up to the Task...
loving those new menus for sure. Ive had my 4700h for less than 6 months and now Im jealous but of course I couldnt wait when I got it so....theres always something coming around he corner.... Very very cool. Thanks for the vid TD. Cant wait to try your 3 ATMOS demo tracks once I finish wiring up my 4 height speakers.....
those demos are great, really give you the ability to assess how good your Atmos setup works - and where compromises have effect. Would love to see/hear an Auro 3D test!!
Nice overview Channa. Finally a manufacturer that includes a proprietary output fo tactile transducers! It's just too bad that it's not really all that functional without more settings. The minimum that you need to properly integrate transducers is a delay setting and a proper crossover section, CX of 40Hz is too high - especially if you can't set a delay to properly sync the transducers up with the subwoofers. An EQ would be nice as well if you need to tame certain frequencies (your furniture also has (room) modes!). Still, one problem seems to be solved here: You probably don't want your transducers to run when you are listening to music so I have to switch the amp that powers the transducers on and off manually. I guess (hope) that these Denon only send the LFE signal to the transducers even if you have your mains set to small with a crossover. Also no workarounds are needed anymore to do the automatic Audyssey calibrattion. I hope Sound united adds more funtionality to the transducer out so we who use them don't need any exertanl DSP anymore to equalize them... Having all handled in one device (the AVR) is better/more convenient than using an external DSP since you can turn them on or off or adjust them depending on mood/contet. They could even consider providing an option to use one of the integrated amps to even power a transducer/shaker. The amps of an AVR are not really suited for a transduer though since an amp for that application has to provide huge amounts of power and need a FR way below 20Hz but still, would be nice to have that option for people who just want to try a transducer out and see if they like it. Also I would have liked you to dive deeper into the 4 subwoofer outputs since this is a big deal! Are they truly independant? Does Audyssey try to measure them automatically or do you have to set everything up manually if you use more than 2 subs? You should tweal the subs as much as possible by hand (with assistance of a mic) anyways but i find that the automatic phase adjustements of Audyssey (I currently have a 4400h) still help me with the time alignement... Nevertheless; great review Channa keep em coming ;)
@@TechnoDad Great option indeed! These "pre-out" AVRs may spell the end of processors. However, who doesn't dream of a separates system? I know I want separates. Even if it is only to experience that type of system in my room for a short time to see if there really is a great improvement.
@@welderfixer if you have the $$ then separates will always rule. 10 grand and up for those systems and so they will always be in a different class above and have a much different market/audience than the "poor mans" home theater that these cater to :)
@@sjsphotog Thanks for the reply. A $2k Emotiva BasX set-up would be good enough for me, but I wish I had a $5 for lunch right now. It sucks bad to be flat broke and overdrawn. But, dang it must be very nice to own a quality higher end system. Dreams, only dreams. And, those dreams are for only a select few, chosen by God himself. I wish you and yours all the very best, Kevin
Great video TD. I, like many others who suffer from upgrade-itis, would like to go from a 5.1.2 set up to a 5.1.6 set up and take advantage of Auro 3d. My .2 is a pair of middle ceiling/top speakers that have tweeters angled down towards the MLP which is 4 feet back from the middle and 3 feet from the back wall. My surrounds are in the back corners. From your video it looks like the two options are 1) install 2 front heights and 2 rear/surround heights and and follow the first .6 set up that you presented making use of my middle top speakers, or 2) install 3 front heights (including center) and 2 rear/surrround heights, along with the VOG speaker. This 2nd option would not make use of the existing middle top speakers. If I do an upgrade for purposes of Auro 3d, I want to get it mostly right. I'm leaning to the first option (making use of the middle top speaker) but would it be compromising Auro 3d too much? Yours and others thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. (Waiting for the 4800 and going to a 13 speaker set up is not a consideration.)
thanks for another great video ! I just purchased a 3800 and noticed several differences in the menus so I guess they’ve been changed in the firmware updates.
Recently got this as well, I'm loving it so far and it's been a bigger upgrade than I thought it would be coming from the Yamaha 3060. My only recurring issue is that the right rear surround fails somewhere in the 4-6 position of Audyssey. It works fine every other time and during playback, just when trying to do Audyssey on those specific positions.
Thanks. I'm considering "upgrading" my X6400H to the new X4800H, but only after Dirac bass control is available as an upgrade option for the X4800H. Can you get Auro 3D with 4 tops + Atmos with 4 tops with all 5.2.4 configuration? because with the X6400H, some setups like tops on ceiling, will disable Auro 3D back top channels (you even made a video about this for the X4400H. Thanks
Dirac is coming in March 2023. But they said bass control was looking to be 2024 but still not guaranteed as of yet. SRC hasn't even been fully confirmed for the A1V either
Having a hard time deciding between 3800h for $1700 or the 6700h for $2300. Which one would you choose knowing you could also benefit from having hdmi 2.1 having a ps5, series x, and computer
Great video brother. I just upgraded to the 3800 from the 3600 and I was wondering. If I leave the video setting on auto is the denon adding any processing to the picture? I really would rather my A90J handle all the processing. Should I set it to bypass? Thanks keep on keepin on brother
I had to return my X3800. It had major problems with the two presets. I would use Audyssey with a speaker setup on one Preset but when I used a different speaker setup on the other preset and ran Audyssey that preset would change to the setup from the first Preset. When you changed Presets there was no clicking because the Amp settings were identical. When the second run did get the amp settings right, Audyssey was grayed out. Even when I saved a good setup to a flash drive and loaded it onto its Preset, it literally wiped the other Preset out, even after a factory reset. I've been a longtime Denon/Audyssey user and I've never seen anything like this. I also tried using the MutiEQ app (the Android version is very buggy) and when it got to the initial subwoofer test it just died. I had a very long conversation with a Denon rep and he said that, so far, they had not heard of the Preset problem and had no answers. He also sheepishly used the magic word "beta". With no solution in sight, I had no choice but to return the AVR. Maybe my unit was defective. At least I hope so but if anyone out there has used the two Presets and had no issues, I'd like to hear about it.
Yeah, I don't think they can do that. They swapped out the HDMI board and added the fours subwoofer outputs. An update for the UI would be cool, but I don't thin it's that easy.
Hey TD great video as always! I have an issue with the Denon AVR-X3700H. It has to do with the HDMI switching and CEC issues that many have complained about here on UA-cam. It was just purchased this past July 2022. Denon CS has not been much help. I have a 2022 LG C2 OLED, using Audio Quest cinnamon Hdmi cables, other cables work fine as well. I have my brand new PS5 connected to the 8K hdmi in. The lag when switching input, when it actually and finally switches is brutal. I’ll get no signal for a minute or more most times, other times it will switch inputs then switch back to another input, totally annoying. I have done a lot of testing with my older Denon amp, Yamaha amp, the PS5 connected directly to the TV and so on. Hdmi lag issue and CEC issue goes away. The PS5 connected directly to the TV using eARC for audio back to amp works great when the Denon is not doing the video. Have you tested or heard of anyone else having issues with CEC and hdmi switching with this and other Denon models? Is there a hardware upgrade they will do to fix this issue? Have you tested a PS5 with this 3800 with a 2022 LG TV? Is there lag when switching inputs or issues with CEC like there is with other Denon models? I would be happy to post a video of the CEC issues and serious lag when switching to the PS5 input on 8k port. It is bad. Simply does not work properly. Also, the lag and CEC issues exist no matter if my Apple TV is connected to the 8k or ps5 is in other hdmi inputs. I have seen many say just turn CEC off. Well, that is not a real fix. For obvious reasons. I am working towards getting away from my harmony remotes as they are now discontinued. Fine if CEC has issues from time to time, but for this amp to have these types of issues at this price point with Denon not taking seriously is frustrating. Hopefully then can figure out a firmware update for this but to me seems hardware related, especially since the models with serial numbers under 70k require an external device fix. Crazy. Whatever their fix was for models above 70k did not fix the issue and I suspect it was a hardware fix since the others require a separate piece of hardware. Anyone else here have these hdmi and CEC issues? I know others have posted about it, but I would like to see some of you Denon guys discuss this so Denon can figure out what the heck is going on and fix it. Not a cheap AVR by any means. Would like to know if anyone has the PS5 connected to a 3700 or the 3800 with a 2022 LG C2 OLED and if you have issues or not.😊
when i hit setup there is no picture on my samsung 2023 tv. . fixed that tv issue . followed your video step by step. i just bought the x3800h 2 weeks ago and found out that the setup pages and options have changed. quite a few things they changed like amp asign. and crossover.
Great video! I'm really interested in getting this for a possible 5.1.4 with maybe a Voice of God speaker in there too. That can be done right? Have a 5.1.2 in ceiling speakers now, looking to add at least 2 if not 3 more (depending if the installer can do it easily).
Technodad, so after reviewing the most recent models of yamaha, pioneer, denon, onkyo...it seems like you recommend pioneer for most people due to compatibility as well as DiracLive. I was wondering how about overall sound quality....which do you feel offers the best sound for music? Would really appreciate your feedback. I just sold my Hegel h390....and considering upgrading my home theater receiver. Thank you. (My current setup is Focal Aria 5 speaker + SVS PC 12 plus subwoofer...considering adding 4 small svs in the future for height channels)
Excellent! - To clearify, this receiver has only NINE amplifiers - an external 2-channel amp is required for eleven amplified channels... - Correct? Thanks - Cheers!
Thanks Channa. Good descriptive vid. I thought this avr was going to be 13.1 processing capable with 9 amps. Looks like it's not? That's a bit of a bummer. 7.2.6 would have been good.
Hello Chana, nice video!! I believe the new avr uses all 4 high channel although you configure surround high. I believe in a Germany channel the denon man said it.
Thank you techno dad. I bought this receiver and I really like it. I replaced my broken x3600h. I have yamaha ns-f51 but would like to replace these to KEF-Q950s. Will x3800h handle these? Thx
I'm really curious about 5.1.4 too but struggling between a true .4 atmos and a hybrid that supports Auro 3d (better upscaling) or even true .4 atmos plus .2 front height for that big effect.... One thought was Auro 3d is largely guesswork so a great hack would be a true .4 Atmos placement but trick Auro to use more speakers anyway... not possible?
You know right. But now this will be like the RZ50 and never be in stock. But hey I am sure you could sell the RZ50 to pay for this one. At least enough to pay for most of it.
Great Video. I'm going to be buying one of these to start my living room Atmos project in my new home. I do have a question for you for my 5.2.2 setup. I have 4 in-ceiling speakers and I plan to use the top 2 back speakers as my rear speakers and the other 2 speakers as Top middle. Do I plug the rear back speakers in the ceiling into the rear height, surround back, or are they just considered normal rear speakers? No way in hell the Mrs will approve 2 ear level speakers in this big open floor plan of a living room so I was just wondering since I hardly see anyone make a video on a setup like that. Appreciate your content.
I bought the 3800 but my room was pre wired for 5.1.4 dolby atmos. Can you mimic the auro3d setup while using 5.1.6 dolby atmos setup? Or do I have to set up like a 5.1.4 and then add one speaker in the center to do the Auro 3d?
Is the Auro-matic 3D options only available on the 4000 series and up? I noticed on a video in the sound parameter section there were auro-matic 3d options. I don't see them in the x3800h menu.
I thinking about returning my x1800h and get the x3800h instead. I will buy a 2nd set of Klipsch theater pack 5.1 for just $260. With that 2nd set I will be able to have a 5.2.4 setup that I can upgrade later to better speaker and 7.2.4 🤤🤤
Very informative! what are your thoughts on using the AVR as a preamp only (setting the unit to disconnect the internal amps) and running external amplification with Emotiva or Monolith amps? Also, would it be ok to use the AVR's amps just for the height speakers or would that still introduce enough of the lackluster high frequencies to mess up the entire mix?
Just found TechoDad and I’m hooked. Very useful and informative videos. A question: I’m ready to add two height (Atmos) speakers to my X2300W unit and have been looking for on-ceiling speakers to complete the transformation. I was excited to hear you mention such as I too am not in a situation to use in-ceiling speakers. I’ve looked everywhere for on-ceiling speakers with no luck. What are you planning to use for this purpose? Thanks
Cool demo you made. By the way I have a quick questions. You tested martin logan esl electrostat for HT , also you tested MKS150 for HT. In your opinion which one is best for HT? Thanks.
Cool height speaker layout possible with this receiver. Did you tested it? How is the sound quality of the 3800 vs the 6700, is the 6700 better in separation of channels and sound quality??
thank you for the video, my friend bought a new 3800h, he wants a 5.2.4 so no preamp. is surround back or surround sie is best for this configuration? thnk you
As you must know,Polk speakers have the choice of connecting their speakers with the regular two posts connection points if brass plates that links the two top posts and the two bottom posts are kept on.However,if the brass plates are removed,we end up having a top connection 2 posts,and a bottom connection 2 posts.If used separately my guess would be that the bottom posts would connect to the regular AVR speakers inputs,but where would the top posts be connected to on the AVR if used to watch movies,etc. Or is this two separate connections feature only good for listening to music exclusively.
Thank you so much! Thanks to this and many of your other reviews, I wound up with this AVR and an Outlaw 5000 amplifier. Just amazing so far! But....have a weird question. I want to plug in a pair of headphones on the front 1/4 jack, and....no sound comes through the headphones??? Has anyone else had this problem and if so, what am I missing. Again, these are wired headphones.
Good job, Techno Dad! I'm seriously considering buying this one. Would it be the best match for my Monitor Audio bronze 6th gen 5.1.2 HCP, in a 140 feet room? Both music and video sound quality wise. Possible upgrade to 5.2.4 over a year or two.
Channa, I gave a Denon X8500H with six height channels in a front height, rear height and surround height configuration. I am able to get all three formats but it’s strange how they all display. In Atmos I get front and rear heights. In Auro-3D I get front and side heights but in DTS-X I get all six. Have you ever tried this?
That's interesting Jeff, I have never heard this, but I have never had 6 height channels before. I have some speakers on the way but I will need someone to install them. I will definitely look into this.
From what I know it’s because dts is more relaxed than Dolby If you changed the setting from side height to too middle then you’d get all 6 height active in Dolby atmos
Here's something that just happened. I had to remove the AVR11 because there were some HDMI issues and the AVR wasn't seeing a signal from the DirecTV box. I put the Marantz back in and no problems. It's something to do with these higher-end AVR companies. Small, little quirks. I have no idea what was happening, but I needed to swap AVRs before the Sunday Night Football game started. Otherwise, wifey was not going to be happy. When she starts complaining about the AVR not working, it's usually got to go!
I need help. Set up my 3800. I matched your settings for Auro 3D. I have 5 floor speakers and 5 ceiling speakers. I'm using the pre out for TS speaker and when I'm watching a movie that has atmos I can't see Auro 3D sound field in menu. Im lost. Searched online and couldn't find the solution. Will Auro 3D only work with a blue ray 4k movie or can i access it watching DirectTV stream lets say? I read that Auro 3D will make regular content sound amazing. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
at the bottom of the remote is 4 colored buttons called "Sound Mode." The green first button cycles through available sound modes and also has on screen menu matching. I believe you cycle to auromatic. It took me a week to find this option. By the way the last yellow button cycles through direct, pure, and the third option is auto sound mode. I wouldn't expect to find that there.
I have a Denon 4800h with a 5.2.4 setup and my first 5 are standard and 4 overhead but I've been curious if my rear heights would be better as back surround , dolby sp ,or keep it as I have it setup as rear heights? Keep in Mind my seating position is against the wall like yours. Let me know what you think. Mind my new denon 4800h can do auro 3d , auro 2d ..etc . I do like how my Neural X sound , I think it sounds better than Atmos . I'm open for thoughts and opinion Techno Dad.
Just got the 3800H. Love the sound but am about to send it back if I cant get the setup menu to display on the Samsung 4K TV (it shows on the AVR's front panel only). My Series X and Switch displays on the TV great but anything coming directly from the 3800H only shows on the front panel (HEOS, USB, Internet Radio, etc) Any suggestions appreciated.
Another informative video, thank you! I currently have the 3600h with an emotiva basx a3 for lcr, is the 3800 worth the step up or would it be beneficial going to the next model? Thanks 👍 😊
@Technodad Very informative video! Would you mind validating that I understand the screens at 8:08: I can power my LCR with a 3ch amp and power my remaining six speakers (4 atmos and 2 rear surrounds) with the AVR?
You’ll have to setup 11.1 at the top of amp assign screen. Then select front L & R for the pre out. Plug everything in and it should work. They only speakers you have to assign are the front mains for pre out. All the rest are already on.
PLEASE HELP!!! I have 3 audio output options on my TV: Passtrough, Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus. Which one to set to get the best quality sound sent to my Marantz AVR? I use only TV internal apps (Netflix, UA-cam, etc.) and my PS5 is connected to the TV directly.
I'm having trouble with the volume the scale is 0-98 limit is off and power level is at 15 the moved it and it went to -75.5db-18.db and the power level is -65?
What are your thoughts x4700h vs x3800h. I don’t plan to connect a lot to the AVR and doubt I’ll go DIRAC. The menu looks great on the 3800 but if I’m just after home theater performance, the 4700 has more power and a better processor (from what I understand). Oh and I’ll never be able to go 3/4 subs.
I don't know if it has the better processor, but this 3800H is heads and tails in all aspects from my older models Denons (960H and 1700H)!!! Separation and dynamics are worlds apart!
keep the 4700h for more power for your speakers and wait to upgrade to the 4800 down the road. if you only have 1 or 2 subs then no need to get 3800 or 4800. the new menus are nice but doesnt change the functionality. (4700h owner here) running 7.2 right now soon to be 7.2.4
@P T nice info but I would have to look at both receivers other options to compare. There are a few options in the menus that effect perceived dynamic range in both receivers. So that is a whole lot of testing that only the owner would go through to assess. We may never really know independently from a double blinded study of all those different combinations...users can just report how you did and that's all we will get.
The "small" or "large" setting for speaker configuration doesn't exist any more. I just bought it yesterday and did a software update. Any idea where that setting went?
You don't, "have to have a pre amp", it is a pre amp. I believe it has 9 amplifier channels, so it can power 9 speakers by itself. It also has pre amp output for up to 11 channels, so if you have an external amplifier to cover the two additional channels, it can be an 11 channel. The ideal use of a receiver like this for most people would be to use external amplifiers for the Left, Center, and Right speakers and use the internal amplifiers for everything else.
@@codychavarria6088 You could probably buy another receive with 11 amplifier channels built in for about the same price as buying the 3800 plus a 2-ch amplifier to go with it. It depends on what you want, for simplicity go with the 11 ch receiver so everything is in one box, for superior performance, go for the external amplifiers to get the additional channels.
It can process 11 channels but can only power 9 of them. That's the same as the x3700 it replaces as well as the x4700. To get 11 channels you need to step to the x6700 which has 11 amps, and can process 13 channels (so power amp needed for the extra 2 again).
Can I use Bose acousticmass speakers for height channels? 🤔 It just hit me. Because mines are just sitting in a box unused right now. I'm thinking I can get some more use out of these speakers. Had them since 2006.
Unfortunately, no. You would have to get at least an X3800H - amzn.to/477wCPl - or the X4800H - amzn.to/3NTYFJb - but both of those will only allow 5.1.6 with a power amp. If you wanted to run 7.1.6, you would need the X6700H - amzn.to/3K1QVDL
So what does no surround backs actually mean? Does it mean a 7.1.4, 2 of the 7 would not be surround (backs), but in fact a 5.1.6 with 2 at ear level having heights content instead? Thanks 😀
I just bought the Denon X3800H and set it up last weekend. Listen to TechnoDad, he knows what he's talking about here: this new AVR from Denon totally ROCKS!!! (No, I don't work for Denon; I'm merely a happy customer). I own a Reavon X100 blu-ray player, which before I was outputting the video HDMI directly to my LG OLED TV. But now I am sending the audio/video signal through the Denon X3800H, and the video upscaling of this AVR is AMAZING! A noticeable picture-quality improvement, especially with newer UHD-4K movie disks. The sound quality is full and dynamic through my Klipsch 7.2 home theater speaker setup. For about $1,700, now you're playing with the big boys!
Started my home theater journey with Denon X4700h in 21'. Jumped straight to an Anthem 70 8K processor. Thanks to you, Chana. I now have a 9.2.6 full separates in my living room. Your videos have helped me tremendously.
Even Channa's quick videos contain more than other people's in-depth reviews ❤🔥❤🔥
I do what I can! New lighting came in last week so this was a great way to test it out!
@@TechnoDad lighting is top notch TD. Sweet studio look for sure.
Where can I find Channa’s channel? Can’t find it
Trying to decide on the Denon x6700h or x4800h etc.I don't want to spend more than $3400 .I currently have a 5.2.4 setup . Any receiver recommendations my setup is power hungry especially my paradigm 90p monitor towers
@@TechnoDad I believe I’ve heard this before and I’m pretty sure you might’ve said it but I’m planning on doing six height channels on my X6700h with voice of God and center height. Do you know if this is the same as the 3800h when it comes to getting the most out of atmos?
My 3800H is a true Gem!!! Love it!! Highly recommended as a possible "endgame" unit because of versatility.
What model TV do you have? You have a PS5 connected? Any issues?
Good news! After my refund come through on X3800 number one, I decided to take a shot at another one (from Best Buy with a return period through Jan. 14, 2023). Once again I had some Preset issues, not quite the same as on the first unit, but still, pretty bizarre. Ah, but this past week, Denon put out a firmware update for the X3800 and it appears to have solved the Presets issues. Since Denon never publishes a lot of specifics about what their updates actually fix/improve, they might not even know that the update fixed this problem, but either way. I'm a happy camper now.
Awesome!
This is an awesome receiver, I got it for Xmas and it's been no disappointment since then.
Looking forward to buy some tactile transducers to check that out
I really enjoy your going into detail videos! One thing that came to my mind. Now if we forget your comment about single surround back not panning properly. Wouldn't it be great if there was 11.1 setting with 6 bed layer speaker using single surround back and 5 height channels including center height. Cause in the end top surround is not that important. But you'd get excellent center height and something back in your bed layer without the need to upgrade to x67(8)00h to get them in same configuration.
Great points! It's really up to Denon/Marantz to put in that kind of functionality. Some people without room for surround back could have room for front wide but Denon won't let you have front wides until you step up to the X6700/X6800. So it's really up to them.
Auro 3D is huge gamechanger and the main reason i went got this X3800.....
to upmix lowsy not so good Atmos Dvds.
Agreed!!!
Hi, I have a pioneer 9.2channel, and after watching your video on true Dolby Atmos, I changed my sound round back speakers from ether side of my couch, to behind the , lieing both speakers on their backs. Then put on two 4k dvds to try out the sound and boy what a difference.
I am now looking at the hz because I am using large speaks for a 7.1.2 system.
So a big thank you for should a well round video on Dolby Atmos.
I was about to pull the trigger on getting a Rotel 1576mkii (for the same price as this) but this has changed the game. Update on hdmi, 4 subs outs, Dirac, multi zone and Made in Japan. Glad I waited lol
Hi Channa, Thanks for letting us know about the X6800 coming out! Jay
Woot woot! No problem!
@@TechnoDad I need the 6800 NOW! Have the 3800 and before the 6700, i need the 6800, external Amplifikation with the 3800 is just not up to the Task...
5.4.6 and my Wife is good with it in the living room! I’m a lucky man. Marantz Cinema 40 in my future.
Woot woot!!!
loving those new menus for sure. Ive had my 4700h for less than 6 months and now Im jealous but of course I couldnt wait when I got it so....theres always something coming around he corner.... Very very cool. Thanks for the vid TD. Cant wait to try your 3 ATMOS demo tracks once I finish wiring up my 4 height speakers.....
those demos are great, really give you the ability to assess how good your Atmos setup works - and where compromises have effect. Would love to see/hear an Auro 3D test!!
Thank you for this. My next upgrade before any speaker upgrades will be this receiver. Book it!
Nice overview Channa.
Finally a manufacturer that includes a proprietary output fo tactile transducers! It's just too bad that it's not really all that functional without more settings.
The minimum that you need to properly integrate transducers is a delay setting and a proper crossover section, CX of 40Hz is too high - especially if you can't set a delay to properly sync the transducers up with the subwoofers. An EQ would be nice as well if you need to tame certain frequencies (your furniture also has (room) modes!).
Still, one problem seems to be solved here: You probably don't want your transducers to run when you are listening to music so I have to switch the amp that powers the transducers on and off manually. I guess (hope) that these Denon only send the LFE signal to the transducers even if you have your mains set to small with a crossover. Also no workarounds are needed anymore to do the automatic Audyssey calibrattion.
I hope Sound united adds more funtionality to the transducer out so we who use them don't need any exertanl DSP anymore to equalize them... Having all handled in one device (the AVR) is better/more convenient than using an external DSP since you can turn them on or off or adjust them depending on mood/contet. They could even consider providing an option to use one of the integrated amps to even power a transducer/shaker. The amps of an AVR are not really suited for a transduer though since an amp for that application has to provide huge amounts of power and need a FR way below 20Hz but still, would be nice to have that option for people who just want to try a transducer out and see if they like it.
Also I would have liked you to dive deeper into the 4 subwoofer outputs since this is a big deal! Are they truly independant? Does Audyssey try to measure them automatically or do you have to set everything up manually if you use more than 2 subs? You should tweal the subs as much as possible by hand (with assistance of a mic) anyways but i find that the automatic phase adjustements of Audyssey (I currently have a 4400h) still help me with the time alignement...
Nevertheless; great review Channa keep em coming ;)
Great videos! The link for the DLC was in my spam folder. I found it and it worked great.
Hi! Check your spam/junk folder or email me directly - TechnoDad55 at gmail dot com
@Techno Dad, great video. Thank you. Denon hits it out of the park again.
I love me a little trickle-down! This is a great option for a lot of people out there, especially at this price.
@@TechnoDad Great option indeed! These "pre-out" AVRs may spell the end of processors. However, who doesn't dream of a separates system? I know I want separates. Even if it is only to experience that type of system in my room for a short time to see if there really is a great improvement.
@@welderfixer if you have the $$ then separates will always rule. 10 grand and up for those systems and so they will always be in a different class above and have a much different market/audience than the "poor mans" home theater that these cater to :)
@@sjsphotog Thanks for the reply. A $2k Emotiva BasX set-up would be good enough for me, but I wish I had a $5 for lunch right now. It sucks bad to be flat broke and overdrawn. But, dang it must be very nice to own a quality higher end system. Dreams, only dreams. And, those dreams are for only a select few, chosen by God himself.
I wish you and yours all the very best, Kevin
Great video TD. I, like many others who suffer from upgrade-itis, would like to go from a 5.1.2 set up to a 5.1.6 set up and take advantage of Auro 3d. My .2 is a pair of middle ceiling/top speakers that have tweeters angled down towards the MLP which is 4 feet back from the middle and 3 feet from the back wall. My surrounds are in the back corners. From your video it looks like the two options are 1) install 2 front heights and 2 rear/surround heights and and follow the first .6 set up that you presented making use of my middle top speakers, or 2) install 3 front heights (including center) and 2 rear/surrround heights, along with the VOG speaker. This 2nd option would not make use of the existing middle top speakers. If I do an upgrade for purposes of Auro 3d, I want to get it mostly right. I'm leaning to the first option (making use of the middle top speaker) but would it be compromising Auro 3d too much? Yours and others thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. (Waiting for the 4800 and going to a 13 speaker set up is not a consideration.)
My dream set up is a 5.2.4 with a zone 2 for 2 outside patio speaker.
Wow! - Amazing receiver advances! - Love my (older 4400H) Denon! - Great review! - Cheers!
thanks for another great video ! I just purchased a 3800 and noticed several differences in the menus so I guess they’ve been changed in the firmware updates.
I wonder when this AVR will be available at Best Buy. I have a $2000 credit store and this will be the perfect Christmas gift for myself 😊
Woot woot!!!
Recently got this as well, I'm loving it so far and it's been a bigger upgrade than I thought it would be coming from the Yamaha 3060. My only recurring issue is that the right rear surround fails somewhere in the 4-6 position of Audyssey. It works fine every other time and during playback, just when trying to do Audyssey on those specific positions.
Thanks. I'm considering "upgrading" my X6400H to the new X4800H, but only after Dirac bass control is available as an upgrade option for the X4800H. Can you get Auro 3D with 4 tops + Atmos with 4 tops with all 5.2.4 configuration? because with the X6400H, some setups like tops on ceiling, will disable Auro 3D back top channels (you even made a video about this for the X4400H.
Thanks
Dirac is coming in March 2023. But they said bass control was looking to be 2024 but still not guaranteed as of yet. SRC hasn't even been fully confirmed for the A1V either
And an extra 500 dollars on top of 350 dollars on top to upgrade to dirac.
Damn quick update you just got this!!! Woot I'm closing on my house end of month. can't wait my very first purchase is x3800h. Before anything else ha
Having a hard time deciding between 3800h for $1700 or the 6700h for $2300. Which one would you choose knowing you could also benefit from having hdmi 2.1 having a ps5, series x, and computer
Would like to know what you decided and if you have issues with input lag and CEC issues. What model TV do you have?
Great video brother. I just upgraded to the 3800 from the 3600 and I was wondering. If I leave the video setting on auto is the denon adding any processing to the picture? I really would rather my A90J handle all the processing. Should I set it to bypass? Thanks keep on keepin on brother
I had to return my X3800. It had major problems with the two presets. I would use Audyssey with a speaker setup on one Preset but when I used a different speaker setup on the other preset and ran Audyssey that preset would change to the setup from the first Preset. When you changed Presets there was no clicking because the Amp settings were identical. When the second run did get the amp settings right, Audyssey was grayed out. Even when I saved a good setup to a flash drive and loaded it onto its Preset, it literally wiped the other Preset out, even after a factory reset. I've been a longtime Denon/Audyssey user and I've never seen anything like this. I also tried using the MutiEQ app (the Android version is very buggy) and when it got to the initial subwoofer test it just died. I had a very long conversation with a Denon rep and he said that, so far, they had not heard of the Preset problem and had no answers. He also sheepishly used the magic word "beta". With no solution in sight, I had no choice but to return the AVR. Maybe my unit was defective. At least I hope so but if anyone out there has used the two Presets and had no issues, I'd like to hear about it.
wish Denon would give a downloadable update for my 4800 I bought last year!!!!
Yeah, I don't think they can do that. They swapped out the HDMI board and added the fours subwoofer outputs. An update for the UI would be cool, but I don't thin it's that easy.
for the new menus that would be sweet to get those on my 4700h
Hey TD great video as always! I have an issue with the Denon AVR-X3700H. It has to do with the HDMI switching and CEC issues that many have complained about here on UA-cam. It was just purchased this past July 2022. Denon CS has not been much help. I have a 2022 LG C2 OLED, using Audio Quest cinnamon
Hdmi cables, other cables work fine as well. I have my brand new PS5 connected to the 8K hdmi in. The lag when switching input, when it actually and finally switches is brutal. I’ll get no signal for a minute or more most times, other times it will switch inputs then switch back to another input, totally annoying. I have done a lot of testing with my older Denon amp, Yamaha amp, the PS5 connected directly to the TV and so on. Hdmi lag issue and CEC issue goes away. The PS5 connected directly to the TV using eARC for audio back to amp works great when the Denon is not doing the video.
Have you tested or heard of anyone else having issues with CEC and hdmi switching with this and other Denon models? Is there a hardware upgrade they will do to fix this issue? Have you tested a PS5 with this 3800 with a 2022 LG TV? Is there lag when switching inputs or issues with CEC like there is with other Denon models? I would be happy to post a video of the CEC issues and serious lag when switching to the PS5 input on 8k port. It is bad. Simply does not work properly. Also, the lag and CEC issues exist no matter if my Apple TV is connected to the 8k or ps5 is in other hdmi inputs. I have seen many say just turn CEC off. Well, that is not a real fix. For obvious reasons. I am working towards getting away from my harmony remotes as they are now discontinued. Fine if CEC has issues from time to time, but for this amp to have these types of issues at this price point with Denon not taking seriously is frustrating. Hopefully then can figure out a firmware update for this but to me seems hardware related, especially since the models with serial numbers under 70k require an external device fix. Crazy. Whatever their fix was for models above 70k did not fix the issue and I suspect it was a hardware fix since the others require a separate piece of hardware. Anyone else here have these hdmi and CEC issues? I know others have posted about it, but I would like to see some of you Denon guys discuss this so Denon can figure out what the heck is going on and fix it. Not a cheap AVR by any means. Would like to know if anyone has the PS5 connected to a 3700 or the 3800 with a 2022 LG C2 OLED and if you have issues or not.😊
Any reply guy?
Is it wrong that after years of staring at that 480p menu system, I want to buy this just for the updated UI? I mean, I'm not gonna... but I wanna.
100% why I would upgrade! LOL!! Good thing I have a great business going.
You aren't wrong 😅😭
Thank you. 😂 Same thought here. I’m still using my 2300 Denon and thinking about upgrading to the 3800. I wonder how big the differences in sound are?
when i hit setup there is no picture on my samsung 2023 tv. . fixed that tv issue . followed your video step by step. i just bought the x3800h 2 weeks ago and found out that the setup pages and options have changed. quite a few things they changed like amp asign. and crossover.
Great video! I'm really interested in getting this for a possible 5.1.4 with maybe a Voice of God speaker in there too. That can be done right? Have a 5.1.2 in ceiling speakers now, looking to add at least 2 if not 3 more (depending if the installer can do it easily).
Technodad, so after reviewing the most recent models of yamaha, pioneer, denon, onkyo...it seems like you recommend pioneer for most people due to compatibility as well as DiracLive. I was wondering how about overall sound quality....which do you feel offers the best sound for music? Would really appreciate your feedback. I just sold my Hegel h390....and considering upgrading my home theater receiver. Thank you. (My current setup is Focal Aria 5 speaker + SVS PC 12 plus subwoofer...considering adding 4 small svs in the future for height channels)
Excellent! - To clearify, this receiver has only NINE amplifiers - an external 2-channel amp is required for eleven amplified channels... - Correct? Thanks - Cheers!
Yes! This is correct. Powers 9 channels, processes 11 channels.
Thanks Channa. Good descriptive vid. I thought this avr was going to be 13.1 processing capable with 9 amps. Looks like it's not? That's a bit of a bummer. 7.2.6 would have been good.
the x6800h next year will have 13.1 or 15.1
@@junior-OG for quite a lot more bills though...
Thank you Channa! 👍🏻🙏🏻
Anytime!
Hello Chana, nice video!!
I believe the new avr uses all 4 high channel although you configure surround high.
I believe in a Germany channel the denon man said it.
Hi Peter! That's great to hear, I'll have to try it out for myself. Thank you
Thank you techno dad. I bought this receiver and I really like it. I replaced my broken x3600h. I have yamaha ns-f51 but would like to replace these to KEF-Q950s. Will x3800h handle these? Thx
What is the best speaker configuration to use 9 channels?, and how to configure and assign the amplifier connectors for those 9 channels?
I have always done 5.1.4
@@TechnoDad Ok, then you don´t use SR speakers ?, you use HFS and HBS speakers?
I'm really curious about 5.1.4 too but struggling between a true .4 atmos and a hybrid that supports Auro 3d (better upscaling) or even true .4 atmos plus .2 front height for that big effect....
One thought was Auro 3d is largely guesswork so a great hack would be a true .4 Atmos placement but trick Auro to use more speakers anyway... not possible?
Just got a RZ50 earlier this year...fomo is strong with this one.
You know right. But now this will be like the RZ50 and never be in stock. But hey I am sure you could sell the RZ50 to pay for this one. At least enough to pay for most of it.
I waited for the rz50 for nearly a year, still not stocked in the UK so I got the x3800 at launch.
Only if you can't run surround backs I reckon...
Great Video. I'm going to be buying one of these to start my living room Atmos project in my new home. I do have a question for you for my 5.2.2 setup. I have 4 in-ceiling speakers and I plan to use the top 2 back speakers as my rear speakers and the other 2 speakers as Top middle. Do I plug the rear back speakers in the ceiling into the rear height, surround back, or are they just considered normal rear speakers? No way in hell the Mrs will approve 2 ear level speakers in this big open floor plan of a living room so I was just wondering since I hardly see anyone make a video on a setup like that. Appreciate your content.
I bought the 3800 but my room was pre wired for 5.1.4 dolby atmos. Can you mimic the auro3d setup while using 5.1.6 dolby atmos setup? Or do I have to set up like a 5.1.4 and then add one speaker in the center to do the Auro 3d?
i will probably be using my x3700h for a long time lol
Is the Auro-matic 3D options only available on the 4000 series and up? I noticed on a video in the sound parameter section there were auro-matic 3d options. I don't see them in the x3800h menu.
There are colorful buttons at the bottom of the remote to run Auro 3d for the 3800 for all audio
I thinking about returning my x1800h and get the x3800h instead. I will buy a 2nd set of Klipsch theater pack 5.1 for just $260. With that 2nd set I will be able to have a 5.2.4 setup that I can upgrade later to better speaker and 7.2.4 🤤🤤
You will be happy. 3800 have 4 sub pre outs also. You have to get at least a 2 channel external amp for 11 channels
@@busterbrown1686 I ended up returning the x1800h and getting the x3800h
@@busterbrown1686if I use powered speakers for the extra 2 channels that may work?
Wow. I am going to have to keep an eye on the used market for RZ50s now that this is an option. Lol
Hah! That’s a great idea!
Would you rather have this or a x4500?
Very informative! what are your thoughts on using the AVR as a preamp only (setting the unit to disconnect the internal amps) and running external amplification with Emotiva or Monolith amps?
Also, would it be ok to use the AVR's amps just for the height speakers or would that still introduce enough of the lackluster high frequencies to mess up the entire mix?
Just found TechoDad and I’m hooked. Very useful and informative videos. A question: I’m ready to add two height (Atmos) speakers to my X2300W unit and have been looking for on-ceiling speakers to complete the transformation. I was excited to hear you mention such as I too am not in a situation to use in-ceiling speakers. I’ve looked everywhere for on-ceiling speakers with no luck. What are you planning to use for this purpose? Thanks
Hi! I use small bookshelf speakers for height channels. What size is your room?
Cool demo you made. By the way I have a quick questions. You tested martin logan esl electrostat for HT , also you tested MKS150 for HT. In your opinion which one is best for HT? Thanks.
Cool height speaker layout possible with this receiver. Did you tested it? How is the sound quality of the 3800 vs the 6700, is the 6700 better in separation of channels and sound quality??
Clear explanation. Thank you.
Are you going to DIRAC Test it against Audyssey? They say you can save both on the presets
Techno Dad how would this compare with a Marantz. I am looking for a midrange upgrade
thank you for the video, my friend bought a new 3800h, he wants a 5.2.4 so no preamp. is surround back or surround sie is best for this configuration? thnk you
As you must know,Polk speakers have the choice of connecting their speakers with the regular two posts connection points if brass plates that links the two top posts and the two bottom posts are kept on.However,if the brass plates are removed,we end up having a top connection 2 posts,and a bottom connection 2 posts.If used separately my guess would be that the bottom posts would connect to the regular AVR speakers inputs,but where would the top posts be connected to on the AVR if used to watch movies,etc. Or is this two separate connections feature only good for listening to music exclusively.
that's great to know! thanks for sharing!
What is the difference between the 4800 and the 3800?
A bit late, but it has more watt, its mono-amp and its made in Japan.
Thank you so much! Thanks to this and many of your other reviews, I wound up with this AVR and an Outlaw 5000 amplifier. Just amazing so far! But....have a weird question. I want to plug in a pair of headphones on the front 1/4 jack, and....no sound comes through the headphones??? Has anyone else had this problem and if so, what am I missing. Again, these are wired headphones.
Good job, Techno Dad! I'm seriously considering buying this one. Would it be the best match for my Monitor Audio bronze 6th gen 5.1.2 HCP, in a 140 feet room? Both music and video sound quality wise. Possible upgrade to 5.2.4 over a year or two.
Hi! I’m not familiar with those speakers, but if the are 8 ohm speakers and fairly efficient, then maybe okay.
Would you use 4ohm speakers with x3800h for 2.0, 2.1, or 3.1 setup?
Channa, I gave a Denon X8500H with six height channels in a front height, rear height and surround height configuration. I am able to get all three formats but it’s strange how they all display. In Atmos I get front and rear heights. In Auro-3D I get front and side heights but in DTS-X I get all six. Have you ever tried this?
That's interesting Jeff, I have never heard this, but I have never had 6 height channels before. I have some speakers on the way but I will need someone to install them. I will definitely look into this.
From what I know it’s because dts is more relaxed than Dolby
If you changed the setting from side height to too middle then you’d get all 6 height active in Dolby atmos
I hope you answer this since you own the Arcam AVR11 as well.
Between the X3800h and the AVR11, which one do you prefer and why?
Here's something that just happened. I had to remove the AVR11 because there were some HDMI issues and the AVR wasn't seeing a signal from the DirecTV box. I put the Marantz back in and no problems. It's something to do with these higher-end AVR companies. Small, little quirks. I have no idea what was happening, but I needed to swap AVRs before the Sunday Night Football game started. Otherwise, wifey was not going to be happy. When she starts complaining about the AVR not working, it's usually got to go!
Is it worth it to upgrade from the Denon 6300H Channa?
Thanks for amazing videos :-)
You're very welcome!
I need help. Set up my 3800. I matched your settings for Auro 3D. I have 5 floor speakers and 5 ceiling speakers. I'm using the pre out for TS speaker and when I'm watching a movie that has atmos I can't see Auro 3D sound field in menu. Im lost. Searched online and couldn't find the solution. Will Auro 3D only work with a blue ray 4k movie or can i access it watching DirectTV stream lets say? I read that Auro 3D will make regular content sound amazing. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
at the bottom of the remote is 4 colored buttons called "Sound Mode." The green first button cycles through available sound modes and also has on screen menu matching. I believe you cycle to auromatic. It took me a week to find this option. By the way the last yellow button cycles through direct, pure, and the third option is auto sound mode. I wouldn't expect to find that there.
So the 6800H is confirmed coming out q1 2023!!??
Question: can that same setup be done on the Denon X4700H???
What is pre-out only ? I plan to get this model 🎉
Pre-Out only means you are externally powering all your speakers with a separate amplifier.
Is this a powerful receiver as well
Hi, do you recommend this model, the S960 or S970 Denon?
I have a Denon 4800h with a 5.2.4 setup and my first 5 are standard and 4 overhead but I've been curious if my rear heights would be better as back surround , dolby sp ,or keep it as I have it setup as rear heights? Keep in Mind my seating position is against the wall like yours. Let me know what you think. Mind my new denon 4800h can do auro 3d , auro 2d ..etc . I do like how my Neural X sound , I think it sounds better than Atmos . I'm open for thoughts and opinion Techno Dad.
I have installed 4 speakers in ceilings for 7.1.4, should I still set it as front height and rear height vs top fron/rear. Setting up in same 3800h
Just got the 3800H. Love the sound but am about to send it back if I cant get the setup menu to display on the Samsung 4K TV (it shows on the AVR's front panel only). My Series X and Switch displays on the TV great but anything coming directly from the 3800H only shows on the front panel (HEOS, USB, Internet Radio, etc) Any suggestions appreciated.
How does auro matic upscaler work in this avr?
Another informative video, thank you!
I currently have the 3600h with an emotiva basx a3 for lcr, is the 3800 worth the step up or would it be beneficial going to the next model?
Thanks 👍 😊
wait for the 4800h
Excellent
l am from Australia and having problems with the Pre-Ordering , can you help from your end?
@Technodad Very informative video! Would you mind validating that I understand the screens at 8:08: I can power my LCR with a 3ch amp and power my remaining six speakers (4 atmos and 2 rear surrounds) with the AVR?
Yea, you can!
How does this compare to the marantz SR7015 or the cinema 50?
Hey Channa, how to assign 5 bed layers to pre amp and rest 4 height speakers to power internaly by 3800H? Thank you
You’ll have to setup 11.1 at the top of amp assign screen. Then select front L & R for the pre out. Plug everything in and it should work. They only speakers you have to assign are the front mains for pre out. All the rest are already on.
@@TechnoDad thank you channa
Hi TechnoDad what’s Sonys 360 reality like on this system.
PLEASE HELP!!! I have 3 audio output options on my TV: Passtrough, Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus. Which one to set to get the best quality sound sent to my Marantz AVR? I use only TV internal apps (Netflix, UA-cam, etc.) and my PS5 is connected to the TV directly.
Techno Dad. Can i use Fosi Audio V3 to Preout 2 Front Speakers?😅
I don't see why not.
Another good content.
I'm having trouble with the volume the scale is 0-98 limit is off and power level is at 15 the moved it and it went to -75.5db-18.db and the power level is -65?
Hi I've got a 5.1 system what should I set amp assign too please . When I set to 5.1 bi amp audysee turns off
What are your thoughts x4700h vs x3800h. I don’t plan to connect a lot to the AVR and doubt I’ll go DIRAC. The menu looks great on the 3800 but if I’m just after home theater performance, the 4700 has more power and a better processor (from what I understand). Oh and I’ll never be able to go 3/4 subs.
I don't know if it has the better processor, but this 3800H is heads and tails in all aspects from my older models Denons (960H and 1700H)!!! Separation and dynamics are worlds apart!
keep the 4700h for more power for your speakers and wait to upgrade to the 4800 down the road. if you only have 1 or 2 subs then no need to get 3800 or 4800. the new menus are nice but doesnt change the functionality. (4700h owner here) running 7.2 right now soon to be 7.2.4
@P T nice info but I would have to look at both receivers other options to compare. There are a few options in the menus that effect perceived dynamic range in both receivers. So that is a whole lot of testing that only the owner would go through to assess. We may never really know independently from a double blinded study of all those different combinations...users can just report how you did and that's all we will get.
How does this compare to Marantz cinema 50?
Thanks!
Looking into purchasing the avr 3800. Good or bad idea to purchase a refurbished one?
I have never purchased a refurb before. Shoot me an email, maybe I can get you a deal on a new one - TechnoDad55 at gmail dot com.
Hello how do you add front fire up speakers dolby speakers for a 5.2.2
would u buy a refurbished of 3800h instead of an rz50 which im currently trying. ty
The "small" or "large" setting for speaker configuration doesn't exist any more. I just bought it yesterday and did a software update. Any idea where that setting went?
Hi! They took that away. I made a video just for you, Dave - ua-cam.com/video/NDD7KZSCbp8/v-deo.html
So is this a real 11.2 receiver or 9.2 receiver and you have to have a pre amp?
You don't, "have to have a pre amp", it is a pre amp. I believe it has 9 amplifier channels, so it can power 9 speakers by itself. It also has pre amp output for up to 11 channels, so if you have an external amplifier to cover the two additional channels, it can be an 11 channel.
The ideal use of a receiver like this for most people would be to use external amplifiers for the Left, Center, and Right speakers and use the internal amplifiers for everything else.
@@mfkhometheater7742 Thank you for your reply I mean The price of purchasing an external amp among us will buy an actual 11.2 receiver correct?
@@codychavarria6088 You could probably buy another receive with 11 amplifier channels built in for about the same price as buying the 3800 plus a 2-ch amplifier to go with it. It depends on what you want, for simplicity go with the 11 ch receiver so everything is in one box, for superior performance, go for the external amplifiers to get the additional channels.
It can process 11 channels but can only power 9 of them. That's the same as the x3700 it replaces as well as the x4700.
To get 11 channels you need to step to the x6700 which has 11 amps, and can process 13 channels (so power amp needed for the extra 2 again).
@@JonathanWillis Honestly I don't want to buy another preamp and I just want to do 11.2... Or a 7.2.4 system
Can I use Bose acousticmass speakers for height channels? 🤔 It just hit me. Because mines are just sitting in a box unused right now. I'm thinking I can get some more use out of these speakers. Had them since 2006.
Yeah, you totally could use those. Can you position them so they are aligned and not pointing in different directions? That could be an issue...
Why doesn't Denon have a processor like Marantz?
I think it’s because Marantz is supposed to be the more “expensive” of the two brands and maybe they do not want to cannibalize the Marantz Pre-pro?
Is there a way to update the x4700H so that it can place 6 ceiling speakers?
Unfortunately, no. You would have to get at least an X3800H - amzn.to/477wCPl - or the X4800H - amzn.to/3NTYFJb - but both of those will only allow 5.1.6 with a power amp. If you wanted to run 7.1.6, you would need the X6700H - amzn.to/3K1QVDL
So what does no surround backs actually mean?
Does it mean a 7.1.4,
2 of the 7 would not be surround (backs), but in fact a 5.1.6 with 2 at ear level having heights content instead?
Thanks 😀