I am the guy that actually physically scanned this print at 4k SEVERAL years ago- your video is how I found out about it being released! So glad you appreciate our work, and thrilled that they finally finished the restoration!
Was it hard to get the right contrast settings for each frame scan? Im scanning our family photo negatives and it makes me wish the scanner had the same kind of advanced HDR software found in smartphones today.
@David Vazquez Are you serious? This was scanned in 4K for a reason. If you want DVD quality, just buy the GOUT editions. But if you want modern high quality, I suggest you buy a large hard drive and a media player/UHD Blu-ray player. More info on the website.
They have their own HD level scan just not 4K in the library of congress. Their scan came from a original deposit for the copyright a faded Eastman color print. If you go there they let you watch it on a monitor and on DVDs. They never got a low fade archival copy as even Lucasfilm never had one, Fox refused to pay for them according to Lucas. By the time they asked Lucasfilm again all they had was the 1997 version and Library of Congress would not accept it. The single backup copy of the negative that Fox did pay for and was struck in the 70s was unusable and was never checked. The whole 3 strip master was misaligned and a color layer was missing. Also it was dirty as hell. They printed extra grain onto it that was not on the Oneg.
No, the version they should archive doesn't exist (yet). At least not completely. Search for Mike Verta Star Wars on UA-cam. His approach is by far the best due to the technique. Even better than Project 4K77. Unfortunately he has only done 85% of the movie so far, will not finish it and would only release it via official channels (Disney). For now though the best version probably really is 4K77.
It's embarrassing that fans were able to get their hands on a 35 mm cut of the film and remaster it, all before Lucasfilm and Disney even did (if they ever will).
Ayden Jenkins it’s not that fans got it before LucasFilm....George never wanted this to be released. In his view, these were inferior to his final editions. Certainly LucasFilm has the originals, they just won’t release them out of respect for George.
@@kpro1890 that's true. Figured Lucasfilm has a copy somewhere. But still think it's unacceptable that the fans have to remaster an original version of a film ourselves. I get that George believes the special editions to be the "superior" versions, but he's just getting rid of history by not remastering the unaltered versions. And I guess Disney is doing the same, just this time. Which sucks. I thought Disney would have the balls to do what George could not, but I guess I was wrong.
@@kpro1890 But I really don't get why. Is he ashamed of the original Star Wars? I mean there was a release of the OG cuts in a DVD set if I remember correctly, so why not do the same with the Blu Ray? The only Special Edition Change that I really hate is Darth Vader saying "NO" in Return of the Jedi, I just want to watch the original cuts to see how it was.
They already did Return of the Jedi (4K83) I think around 2018/2019??? I believe that one used the 35mm of ROTJ 100% since it was in pristine condition and does look beautiful so go check it out. They’re still working on Empire Strikes Back. Reel 1 and Reel 5 are finished.
I got various versions of Star Wars on laserdisc, vhs and DVD. With all the faffing George did to his movies I was never really interested in buying the bluray. I could stream them from Sky or NowTV if I really wanted. I then heard about 4K77. So I went out and bought a Star Wars bluray boxset and then downloaded the 1080p (grainy) versions of 4K77, 4K83 and a grind house Empire. I dont have a 4K TV... Christmas time we watched these glorious originals on our wall using an xbox driven 1080p projector with the hifi on. I got to show my grown up kids a little bit of what is was like to see these movies when I was a kid. Even Empire looked great despite all the artifacts. It was good enough to fool me into thinking I was watching an actual film projection. The 4K77 team have done a phenomenal job. Looking forward to 4K80.
I just made a fascinating discovery, this whole time, the original de-specialized edition trilogy, THE 3 ORIGINAL MOVIES, where in 3 VHS tapes, stored in my grandfather’s attic, here in Brazil out of all places! He gave them to me a few years ago, and I thought it was the special edition from the 90’s, but yesterday, my step-mom purchased a working VHS player, and today i decided to watch the tape of A New Hope, however, while watching it, i realized that the additions from the special edition, that’s when I realized that all this time I had the ORIGINAL TRILOGY of STAR WARS IN HIGH QUALITY WITH ME ALL THIS TIME! I’m still in shock!
One of my professors in film school told us "everything you guys filmed on a bolex will age better than everything you filmed on a DSLR" And this is one of the reasons why. Working with actual film is torture at times but it can be rewarding
An amazing movie in an amazing time. Science fiction rage had just started. There was nothing else like it. I was 8. The world was innocent then and every kid who watched SW wanted to fly an X-Wing.... it was our age, and the time period, that perfectly lined up with this release that made it so powerful, so unforgettable. Enjoy the original... you're going to love it.
George Lucas: all the negatives were destroyed in the making of the Special Editions, so we’ll never see the theatrical editions again. (Insert Sith cackle laughter here) 4k77 crew: I am a Jedi, like my father before me. Seriously, thank you to all involved in this and Harmy’s Despecialized. The fact that these keep happening is proof how bad the fans want it. And the fact that Lucas refuses rubs salt and lemon juice in a 23 year old wound that will never close as long as they keep insisting that the Not So Special Editions are the only way to watch Star Wars. Han will always shoot first for me.
How can negatives destroyed when making another cut or remaster of a movie? I simply refuse to believe that, even if Lucas says that. I think it's a non-destructive process.
The negative was disassembled washed in a special chemical bath to remove dirt, and reassembled. But all the color reversal stock of things like optical effects, wipes and dissolves had to be redone from scratch from the original film pieces and recombined. And they literally printed onto film the new cgi effects and altered shots and cut them into the negative. I'm not an expert but i think they would need a later generation copy away from the Original negative. Which has the original cut intact. Something like what was used to strike release prints. But we were told by Lucasfilm that those had been used so many time that they were degraded too. The problem is the more popular the film and the more prints that were struck off the negative the worse shape a film is in. Not a problem today because films are finished digitally and remain perfect as long as they keep updating the servers and have retention of data.
I wouldn't say it's better. It's goal is different. Despecialized is the best if you want the best quality without changes made in Special Editions, 4K77 is when you want the most pristine Star Wars experience, just like in 1977 with all that grainy look and feel of the old movie.
I stumbled across this a few months ago. Runs great on my devices with no hiccups and looks beautiful projected. I never back kick starters or things like that, but I loved their work so much on this and Jedi that I felt compelled to support them (all be it a meager donation)
There are a lot of issues with that, especially for a company. Whenever you change the definition, you're changing the format. It means you always have to go back to the Original reals then clean up, edit and change them slightly to work on the new format. No VHS, DVD, or Blueray is actually a theatrical release. Slight changes were made to every home release of the Star Wars movies. Actually multiple versions of the Original 1977 release of Star Wars was put out do to the release being rushed by fox. They still weren't done editing. The voice of Aunt Beru was different depending on the theater and time you saw the movie. Now what your proposing is to spend all the time, effort and money to make it work in 4K for two different versions of the movie and then create a system where the audience member can further edit it. That is pretty ridiculous. Having multiple versions can create marketing confusion as well. If you're really desperate to cut out parts you don't like just get your own video editor and mix and match scenes.
@GamingPro1003 Yeah, I really like the Episode 5 Empire, the victory scene in Episode 6 and the winodws in cloud city but I hate that Vaders says "NOOO" in the Blu Ray version of Return of the Jedi.
Yeah Disney is not going to do that, because you know as well as I do they are not going to shell out thousands upon thousands of dollars just so they can make us happy, they are greedy money-hungry corporation.
Ugh yeah your right the 2011 version should never exist let alone be watched.But I kind of like the 2004 version (I know I know i'm a heretic) I just wished they get rid of a couple of things 1.)That dumb space brontosaurus that obscures the view of the landspeeder 2.)Han Solo's weird neck jerk 3.)Boba Fett's first appearance in docking bay sixty-four
Yes, these are killer! They have also done an amazing series of versions called D+77, D+80 and D+83 (which will be released soon) which use the UHD Disney+ versions as the main source material, but which use footage from the 4K film scans to replace scenes changed in the special editions. You get a little dip in visual quality from time to time due to this, but for me they have become my favourite versions. It's worth going through the sign-up process to get there, believe me! I was shocked by how emotional my response was to seeing these films in such high quality without the special edition changes. Not having to squint my eyes through scenes like Han meeting Jabba in Ep IV, Vader's 'Noooooo!' and Jedi Rocks was such a joy. It really brought the magic back for me.
I finally got to see 4K83. I'm not saying how. It was exactly how i remembered Return of the Jedi in 1985. When i saw the reissue. I was blown away. Other than some faded colors it looked exactly how the film should look. Sounded how it should. No digital additions, cgi cartoons or tomfoolery. Just a good movie.
The man behind the project has a long 3.5 hour podcast about how and why. I never thought of that stuff either. His cut is better than the originals in the theater, because it is multiple scans restoring missing information. We owe this man.
That's incredible! Adywan's Revisited versions are my definitive editions I show people who haven't seen the films before, and I have the Despecialized editions for historical purposes, but I may have to check out 4K77.
There’s a really authentic version called Puggo Grande which is literally the 16mm print of the original Star Wars it’s really good. It’s not high def but it’s still pretty neat
Dude you just helped me out so much. I found this years ago and was recently looking for it, but couldn’t remember where I found it or how to look for it. I’ve been looking for days. Thank you
I was born in 99. I have never seen the original versions, but I have always wanted to. I’ve seen clips of what the film looked like originally without all the random additions and the movies seems 10x more solid than the versions we have access to today.
I find interesting that the 4K projects (they hace completed A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, Empire is work in progress) is that they have a better look than the official 4K versions that Disney/Fox made of the OT for Disney+ and the recent Blu Rays.
Awesome, as someone who was 8, and had a mom that pulled me out of school to go to the release of the original (and saw the theatrical release a total of 11 times in theaters) I think this is the best Star Wars news yet. I am heading over to 4K77 to get this today. Thanks
I'm surprised you havent spoken about this before. I was following 4K77 since about a year before it released, checking every month or so to see the progress.
I have it and have worked on it in Final Cut Pro a little bit. A lot of the scans are underexposed where the dark areas are a bit too dark. I was able to bring a little more shadow detail to it and I color corrected it a bit. I'm going to have some friends over to view it in my little mini theater with a projector and screen in my basement. Should be fun!
If any of you enjoy this, the 4K83 is also available. And if you're not a big film grain fan, both of these versions have DNR (digital noise reduction) options for a more modern and clean look.
The entire 4K file of the remastered and authentic theatrical cut of the film is still smaller than the new season 4 Modern Warfare update. Let that sink in
I saw this originally in '77 as an 11-yr-old with my 8-yr-old brother at San Diego's Mission Valley Circle Theater (long gone). Before 'A New Hope,' before Episode IV.
I like these discoveries HelloGreedo makes. A hardcore SW fan with a UA-cam channel, thousands of subs, offering his take on everything SW. The only thing is it's like he's that guest that comes late to the party. Remember when he finally got around to watching TCW? Now he's singing the praises of 4K77 and other fan edits which have existed for a long while. At least he's getting around to it. I'm now waiting for him to talk about SW Squadrons and make the connection to the X-wing games and fan efforts for the past 20 years of getting a SW flight sim.
i definitely have a copy of the OT before 97'. and they were everything i thought they could be. of course some of the changes made that made the most sense, are always welcome. thanks for the heads up
3:13 those blobs are most likely the cues for the projectionist telling them that a reel change is coming. The first is a cue to start the next reel and the second of to turn the light on the second projector on. In 1977 most theaters need two prosecutors to run films. Over the years they started using platters that held the entire Film spliced together.
I absolutely love this. I downloaded episodes IV and VI last Christmas and 1977 original looks gorgeous. I’m eagerly awaiting the completion of The Empire Strikes Back’s restoration so I can finally watch the original trilogy the way it should be seen.
Some extra info: 1:15 The file is 86GB for the version with film grain intact, while the version that has DNR applied is 45GB. 1:22 VLC has problems with big files and with H.265, try MPV player. There's also 4k83, a highly detailed transfer of theatrical prints of ROTJ. 4k80 is currently a work in progress, and is quite the arduous task given the ESB prints available.
Manuel Amaya Wow what a clever answer! You are so incredibly wise and smart to come up with such a unique and intelligent answer! Im sure you're not one of those stupid millennials who has absolutely no imagination whatsoever and who dont know what to say so they always use the same pathetic and overused answer because they simply dont have anything intelligent to say....because you sure dont sound like those pathetic losers! So please, tell me more! :)
@@PlaystationGamerZX unwatchable. Glad I bought the originals on dvd when they were briefly released in the early 2000s or i would never watch star wars again. As soon as that shit cgi comes on it pulls me right out of the movie
They did a fantastic job finding the original 35mm technicolor print for the film and remastering it in 4K, I really want to get both the fan made Blu-rays for 4K77 & 4K83 both the (DNR & Non DNR versions)
this has been out for years already, literally and there are several different versions of 4K77, plenty of different file sizes as well they also come in two different resolutions 1080p and 2160p disney already have access to a remastered "ultimate" version, which they refuse to release it seems
Yes 4k77 1.0 has been out for two years I think. And really beware of the different versions and even spin offs. Skydude is currently working on his "4k77 Skymasters Technicolor Edition" and it looks amazing. And TN1 are working on 4k77 2.0 (newest for now is the non-DNR 1.4 version) that applies all new techniques they learned in the last 2 years.
Seeing this and viewing the website, take me back to watching the original VHS, and then later the 1997 dvd release which included the original theatrical release also. It’s great that anything that was captured on film can be brought back in 4K and beyond due to film resolution being much higher than current digital technology.
@@Knightmessenger , such a poor release though. 4:3 Letterbox non anamorphic you need to use your zoom feature on your HDTV to watch it. The Gout was a joke. And the audio is the remix not the 77 mix. Never mind the motion smearing, black levels being wrong and dvnr.
This is why is was so determined to keep my vhs copies...Both the mid 90s box set (two sets) and my original release VHS tapes. ( Safely stored, views only once to check quality.)
George is still holding them hostage. The government still wants an original copy so they can put it in the National Archives for all to see but George still hasn't sent them so there's nothing they can do.
@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny "Empire of Dreams The Star Wars Trilogy" I literally just watched the first half of it on Disney + it's an excellent old documentary I'd definitely recommend giving it a watch if you own Disney + already.
If you want your PC to play 4k video without stuttering all you have to do is use hardware video acceleration. It depends on your GPU but if you're running Windows 10 just use any video player that supports DXVA. VLC supports is by pressing Control-P to open Preferences then clicking Input/Codecs and the first drop down choose DXVA or D3D11. I'm running Windows 7 so DXVA isn't an option for me but I have a Geforce 1050 and I play videos with MPC-BE with LAV Filters, so I just use CUVID
Finally true to life rendering of Star Wars with true colors of 1977 release. Im 53 now and the closest we ever got the original were the laserdisc cuts before 1997 fixxxxxxxesssss. We never had true ambiance rendering of the 1977 print.Greedo does not stand a chance😂The one way I found the closest origial print goes to return of the Jedi were you see the falcon flying torward the screen and you also Tie fighters heading past it then in about 2 seconds you see them disappear due to the limits of special effects at the time then later fixed by CGI and that is one way tell how you can tell the difference Until now you have the best possible version.I wonder if those TieFighter pilots appolgized to Vader for going awol.😂😂😂😨
Excellent info on this project. Thanks! With that being said, we must know(since this is as close to an absolute first printing there is), WHO SHOT FIRST??!!
It's gorgeous. They've done Return of the Jedi as well (Project 4k83) as the prints they got were in super good condition already so not as much work was needed. They're working on Empire Strikes Back (Project 4k80) right now.
The only changes I hope they keep from the special editions are: . The Emperor in Episode 5 . Boba Fett's voice . Cloud city windows in episode 5 . the hord of Stormtroopers in episode 4
I like the X-wing squadron in ANH, too. (Being able to see the pilots in the cockpit windows as they're flying to the Death Star, specifically.) ROTJ's revised ending was a nice tie-in with the prequels (having Hayden as Anakin, more so than Naboo's "Wesa free" that always cracks me up), but I wouldn't be bent out of shape if they stuck with the original scenes and score. It's the Max Rebo band that always annoyed me in the special edition.
I helped donate to this project and I can not wait for them to finish Empire. I know it would have cost more, but I think scanning the prints at 8K would have been a more future proof option.
Negative one is right there is not 8K of information on a release print. I would be surprised if there was more than 2k. You do 4k so when you compress you don't lose quality or so i've heard. Now if you had access to the Original negative only the Vistavision stuff would be possible for 8k scanning. But you would noway near get that kind of quality. It is not 65mm neg. Only 35mm. 8k is too costly and few films are done in that. The only i can think of is the Wizard of OZ. We were lucky just to get the Special Edition in 4k res when its an original shot, but when its a 2K shot it is uprezzed. That is an official 4K release and every cgi new shot is 2K res. The optical effects, the visual effects on the originals had so many passes to get a final shot they probably are closer to 1080P at best. With 5 levels of grain that are not in the live action shots.
I love how Disney says they couldn’t possibly restore and release the theatrical cuts, even though people are already doing it. They don’t want my money.
I actually saw the "original" theatrical release when my parents took me to the cinema to see it for my fifth birthday. Back then it was just Star Wars, nothing added. Imagine my confusion when "episode lV" was added years later. I'd really like to see that original release again. Years later when they started filming the first episode, I came across some info on the internet that Lucas had split the story into 9 parts and I'd argue with a friend who was a Star Wars nut that the last 3 parts would eventually be filmed because Lucas was constantly tinkering with the original trilogy. He just couldn't help himself. Eventually George proved me right. lol
Lucas third trilogy never happened. Because he cut down the number of episodes to VI. Even though during pre-production of the Phantom Menace Rick McCallum was talking about Lucas working on the prequels and sequels. Lucas just had no desire to do more Luke stories. He spent nearly ten years doing the prequels and another 6 years on Clone Wars. He spent almost two decades doing Anakin Skywalker stories. And he wanted to do even more prequel stories in an abandoned series called Star Wars underworld. In the 30 some old years since Return of the Jedi he had more than enough time to write a sequel after return of the jedi, focusing on Luke. He could have even handed it off to another director. He just was not interested.
The latest 4K release and the version that's streaming in a lower bitrate on Disney+ is a closer match to the colour timing of the original release than the Blu-ray, which was an abomination. The Mike Verta 4K restoration took multiple 35mm prints and custom software to overlay and compare each and remove anomalies in dirt and grain to restore fine detail. It's a better technique than restoring a single print because there will always be some degree of interpretation when data is restored using interpolation by resampling a single source. That being said, this still looks like a great release and it's always good to have options.
I was there the FIRST WEEKEND it played in Kentucky (the long lines did not materialize until the SECOND weekend. I saw it again on Disney Plus last week and it was clear that they messed up the sound big time.
it’s not that they can’t it’s that george doesn’t want the original version to be the one people watch hell, the fucking library of congress asked him for the original version to preserve it forever and he said no
It's pretty much been confirmed that there are proper 4k remasters of the non-special edition trilogy, I think Gareth Edwards straight up said that they have them over at Lucasfilm and that he watched them and JJ has alluded to it to. The popular theory is that George made it a part of the deal when he sold SW to Disney that they only could release "his" versions of the movies. Seems like this might be the case otherwise I have no idea what Disney are waiting for.
That sounds amazing. Hats off to this group for doing something like this. And it does look good from what I've seen in this video. And it's amazing that these guys got their hands on actual "vintage" negatives of the film. That said, a couple of the comments make sound like Lucasfilm (under Lucas himself) didn't use the original negatives. I thought he did. I do remember him describing how they went back to the original negatives and "cleaned them up... considerably" (think were his words). Added scenes and effects, etc., not withstanding, when you compare the Special and later editions to this, the big difference is that 4k77's version is upscaled and a true "virgin" cut of the film. At least that's what I see.
I’ve owned the OT on laserdisc since 1992 and boy are they grainy and splotchy. On the disc for ANH, during the scene where Luke is practicing his lightsaber skills on the Falcon, there’s even some damaged film that goes flying by. So I’m really happy to hear about this project.
I have both the 4k77 and 4k83 on Blu-ray, and they are absolutely incredible, they literally look like they did when they came out in theaters back in 1977 and 1983!!! I just cant wait for the 4k80 now! Edit: To anyone interested, you have to get the "no DNR" versions, because thats exactly how the movies looked like back in the days, its amazing! I feel like i went back in time every time that i watch them!
Team Negative 1 said that the watching no DNR version of 4k77 is not 100% just like watching the film in theaters in 1977, because when you watch it in different ways the movie will look different than the way as it was projected in theaters in 1977. But 4k77 is really great.
@StarWarsfan 1977 I’ve watched Star Wars in theaters in 1977, and the 4k77 is exactly like what I’ve experienced back in the days. So I don’t care what anyone could say, because I personally experienced it......by the way, i wonder how many of those guys saw Star Wars in theaters back in the days to be able to compare it with the 4k77 like I can. The 4k77 is more than just great imo, it’s absolutely perfect.
@@jasonvoorheesthethird I agree that 4k77 is exactly as it was in theaters, because i compare some parts from documentaries, tv spots and more. And i found out that this is actually how it looked in 1977. Thanks for the feedback 😊.
@StarWarsfan 1977 Well, thank you for being honest and respectful, it’s so rare nowadays! Especially on the internet, a conversation like that usually ends up with insults and name callings, so it’s a great change! It shows what kind of person that you are, and the world needs more people like you! I truly appreciate it, thanks!
My biggest complaint about the special editions is that a lot of Oscar-winning visual effects work went into the original release and the work of those great artists is erased by CGI.
Yes, huh. Stanley Kubrick cuts off like full 20-minute scenes that he worked so hard on because he hates them. But George Lucas just makes some small tweaks to improve his films. Take off your nostalgia goggles right now.
@@prequeldefender < appropriate name. Dude, it isn't about nostalgia. It is about respecting the work of the OTHER artists who worked on those films too. Lucas wasn't the only guy making those films. A lot of extremely talented people put Oscar-worthy levels of effort into those films, and that important piece of film history is now lost and cannot be appreciated or studied by modern editors, cinematographers, and effects artists.
@@prequeldefender it would be like if Cooper & Schoedsack put CGI over Ray Harryhausen's work in the original King Kong and then **DELETED** his original animations.
@@pudgimelon I get what you mean , however the more are much more artists and actors who have worked on the films for George that he cut their work before the original versions. Go watch Rick Worley and you will know what I mean.
@@pudgimelon it has to do with the artistic intentions with the creator. Cooper and Schoedsack does not want to CGI anything because they felt that these will make the film worse and Lucas wants to CGI his films to make them better. Go watch these *quote quote* awful *quote quote* prequels right now.
4k77 is great, but honestly I prefer the recent D+77 by oohteedee. The reason I personally want the original 1977 version is simply because I think it's a better film, not because I have any nostalgia for "authentic theatrical experience" (I'm only 20 years old). 4k77 is an amazing transfer, but the inconsistencies in the colors just bother me way too much for me to fully enjoy. Even though it's not a perfect 1977 version, I think D+77 is the version with the best colors so it's my go to version. You can find it on the same page as 4k77 if you're interested.
That's only because you are way too used to revisionist transfers that scrub grain, make more 'consistent' colors and are artificially sharpened. That version looks washed out with at times a smeary picture and muted colors. 4K77 however is AMAZING with a very lively transfer with nice vivid 70s color and no scrubbing of grain. If you want to see literally the original 1977 version, 4K77 is the only one.
@@Pete-eb3vo Yeah, I know, that's literally what I meant when I said *"The reason I personally want the original 1977 version is simply because I think it's a better film, not because I have any nostalgia for "authentic theatrical experience"* Every home video release of every movie is "revisionist" and fixes inconsistencies because film is an inherently inconsistent format. It's all up to personal preference, and my personal preference is D+77 because I'm not looking for EXACTLY what was on screen in the 70's with the EXACT technicolor grade because I have no nostalgia for it. I'm not looking for *"literally the original 1977 version"*, I'm just looking for a high quality close enough version without the distracting CGI, and that one satisfies me.
4K77 (by Team Negative 1) and Harmy’s Despecialized Edition are Fan RESTORATIONS, they are not fan edits. Fan restorations seek to restore the film as close as possible to the original version of the film as it was seen in its original theatrical release. Adywan’s “Star Wars: Revisited” is a fan edit. He added and changed things within the film that he, personally, thought could’ve been done better or weren’t done correctly in the original theatrical 1977 version of the film. There’s a huge difference between a “fan edit” and a “fan restoration”.
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1:29 is your TV with one of those "motion smoothing" or any other sh*t turned on???
Harmy is working on a despecialized edition in 3.0, which will be a combination of the 4k77 and 4k disney project + special editions without film grain
You can download a "Digital Noise Reduction - DNR" version of 4K77 that has reduced film grain. They released it alongside the normal 4K77 version. You can find similar ones for ROTJ.
@@j.k4150 It is a little less sharp in some scenes but it looks really nice. But there is a catch. The DNR version only exists for 4k77 v1.0. The newest version of 4k77 is v1.4. The newer versions have much better color correction and some other fixes. TN1 said that they would have to redo the DNR for the new CC so they didn't bother. But this summer SkyDude is coming out with his "4k77 Skymasters Technicolor Edition" that has a better CC and custom DNR and it looks amazing (there are already 2 beta versions out). And later there is a new 4k77 v2.0 coming out.
2:03 This sort of highlights an argument I've always made. The Blu-Ray looks more natural and that's fine, and the 4K77 looks like a movie from 1976 should. I wouldn't want to watch Gone with the Wind all made to look natural and modern. Half of the fun of vintage films is being transported back to the time when that movie came from. Think of it as a vintage car with a modern engine, transmission, drivetrain, seats, wheels, brakes. Sure.... it RESEMBLES a vintage car and it works like a car should. But it's nothing like experiencing an ALL ORIGINAL vintage car. 8-track player and all.
This is exciting! The oldest version I've seen is a VHS Special Edition, but I've mostly watched them on DVD. I'd like to see someone combine this with some of the actual improvements that were made.
The one VHS tape I have held onto is my 1993 Widescreen edition of Star Wars (YES Star Wars, that's what it was called when I saw it back in 1977 aged 6) which I have used only once or twice.
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I am the guy that actually physically scanned this print at 4k SEVERAL years ago- your video is how I found out about it being released! So glad you appreciate our work, and thrilled that they finally finished the restoration!
Great work.
Was it hard to get the right contrast settings for each frame scan? Im scanning our family photo negatives and it makes me wish the scanner had the same kind of advanced HDR software found in smartphones today.
@David Vazquez Are you serious? This was scanned in 4K for a reason. If you want DVD quality, just buy the GOUT editions. But if you want modern high quality, I suggest you buy a large hard drive and a media player/UHD Blu-ray player. More info on the website.
@David Vazquez No. That would land us in trouble with "the mouse" aka Disney- who is notorious for suing people into the ground.
@@tylermorris84 Stick it tae the mouse. lol
This is the one that the library of Congress should put in the archive.
They have the originals already. So what do you want them to put in the archive.
They have their own HD level scan just not 4K in the library of congress. Their scan came from a original deposit for the copyright a faded Eastman color print. If you go there they let you watch it on a monitor and on DVDs. They never got a low fade archival copy as even Lucasfilm never had one, Fox refused to pay for them according to Lucas. By the time they asked Lucasfilm again all they had was the 1997 version and Library of Congress would not accept it. The single backup copy of the negative that Fox did pay for and was struck in the 70s was unusable and was never checked. The whole 3 strip master was misaligned and a color layer was missing. Also it was dirty as hell. They printed extra grain onto it that was not on the Oneg.
Matthew Gaudet nah George refuses to give it to them
@@hpatss4966 he gave them the 1997 version. Congress told geroge we can not accept this version because it's not the theatrical cut.
No, the version they should archive doesn't exist (yet). At least not completely.
Search for Mike Verta Star Wars on UA-cam. His approach is by far the best due to the technique. Even better than Project 4K77.
Unfortunately he has only done 85% of the movie so far, will not finish it and would only release it via official channels (Disney).
For now though the best version probably really is 4K77.
My external hard drive: it's like... I was made for this
Hard drive: I was bred for this
I see this as an absolute win.
i mean is this legal? its basically a free movie
@@Unbrickme Laws of the empire do not matter here.
@@Unbrickme that’s empire speak join the rebellion my son
I’m very thankful that 4K77 exists-but it’s ridiculous that it came to this. The team behind this did a masterful job.
It's embarrassing that fans were able to get their hands on a 35 mm cut of the film and remaster it, all before Lucasfilm and Disney even did (if they ever will).
Ayden Jenkins it’s not that fans got it before LucasFilm....George never wanted this to be released. In his view, these were inferior to his final editions. Certainly LucasFilm has the originals, they just won’t release them out of respect for George.
@@kpro1890 that's true. Figured Lucasfilm has a copy somewhere. But still think it's unacceptable that the fans have to remaster an original version of a film ourselves. I get that George believes the special editions to be the "superior" versions, but he's just getting rid of history by not remastering the unaltered versions. And I guess Disney is doing the same, just this time. Which sucks. I thought Disney would have the balls to do what George could not, but I guess I was wrong.
@@kpro1890 But I really don't get why. Is he ashamed of the original Star Wars? I mean there was a release of the OG cuts in a DVD set if I remember correctly, so why not do the same with the Blu Ray? The only Special Edition Change that I really hate is Darth Vader saying "NO" in Return of the Jedi, I just want to watch the original cuts to see how it was.
@Bryan Mack I also like the new Return of the Jedi ending more, I also like the different Planats celebrating.
Yub nub
I was somewhat disappointed to see that his cat wasn't also wearing a stormtrooper helmet
I was somewhat disappointed to see that his cat wasn't catbug
Lol. 🤣😁
Coulda covered it with a box and acted as if it was a floor droid.
His cat is wearing a cat head over its Stormtrooper helmet.
If these guys can get 4K versions of Empire and Jedi going too, I'm going to bust more nuts than all of these movies made in dollars.
They finished Jedi too. They’re working on Empire now.
They already did Return of the Jedi (4K83) I think around 2018/2019???
I believe that one used the 35mm of ROTJ 100% since it was in pristine condition and does look beautiful so go check it out. They’re still working on Empire Strikes Back. Reel 1 and Reel 5 are finished.
@@TK2112 I've seen the "Grindhouse" version of ROTJ, it's a lot better than Empire but I wouldn't call it pristine.
There is.
I got various versions of Star Wars on laserdisc, vhs and DVD. With all the faffing George did to his movies I was never really interested in buying the bluray. I could stream them from Sky or NowTV if I really wanted.
I then heard about 4K77. So I went out and bought a Star Wars bluray boxset and then downloaded the 1080p (grainy) versions of 4K77, 4K83 and a grind house Empire. I dont have a 4K TV... Christmas time we watched these glorious originals on our wall using an xbox driven 1080p projector with the hifi on. I got to show my grown up kids a little bit of what is was like to see these movies when I was a kid.
Even Empire looked great despite all the artifacts. It was good enough to fool me into thinking I was watching an actual film projection.
The 4K77 team have done a phenomenal job. Looking forward to 4K80.
I just made a fascinating discovery, this whole time, the original de-specialized edition trilogy, THE 3 ORIGINAL MOVIES, where in 3 VHS tapes, stored in my grandfather’s attic, here in Brazil out of all places! He gave them to me a few years ago, and I thought it was the special edition from the 90’s, but yesterday, my step-mom purchased a working VHS player, and today i decided to watch the tape of A New Hope, however, while watching it, i realized that the additions from the special edition, that’s when I realized that all this time I had the ORIGINAL TRILOGY of STAR WARS IN HIGH QUALITY WITH ME ALL THIS TIME! I’m still in shock!
One of my professors in film school told us "everything you guys filmed on a bolex will age better than everything you filmed on a DSLR" And this is one of the reasons why. Working with actual film is torture at times but it can be rewarding
This is so cool! Always wanted to see the original version, but since I wasn’t alive in 1977, I didn’t think that would ever happen.
Saw it on opening day. Mind blown.
An amazing movie in an amazing time. Science fiction rage had just started. There was nothing else like it. I was 8. The world was innocent then and every kid who watched SW wanted to fly an X-Wing.... it was our age, and the time period, that perfectly lined up with this release that made it so powerful, so unforgettable. Enjoy the original... you're going to love it.
This one is still not the true experience. So close, though!
George Lucas: all the negatives were destroyed in the making of the Special Editions, so we’ll never see the theatrical editions again. (Insert Sith cackle laughter here)
4k77 crew: I am a Jedi, like my father before me.
Seriously, thank you to all involved in this and Harmy’s Despecialized. The fact that these keep happening is proof how bad the fans want it. And the fact that Lucas refuses rubs salt and lemon juice in a 23 year old wound that will never close as long as they keep insisting that the Not So Special Editions are the only way to watch Star Wars. Han will always shoot first for me.
How can negatives destroyed when making another cut or remaster of a movie? I simply refuse to believe that, even if Lucas says that. I think it's a non-destructive process.
The negative was disassembled washed in a special chemical bath to remove dirt, and reassembled. But all the color reversal stock of things like optical effects, wipes and dissolves had to be redone from scratch from the original film pieces and recombined. And they literally printed onto film the new cgi effects and altered shots and cut them into the negative. I'm not an expert but i think they would need a later generation copy away from the Original negative. Which has the original cut intact. Something like what was used to strike release prints. But we were told by Lucasfilm that those had been used so many time that they were degraded too. The problem is the more popular the film and the more prints that were struck off the negative the worse shape a film is in. Not a problem today because films are finished digitally and remain perfect as long as they keep updating the servers and have retention of data.
I love how detailed this release is, you can see little imperfections allover Vader's mask, a clear sign of how handmade it is. Really amazing.
I finally figured out how to get the Despecialized and now there is a better version... _sigh_
I still haven’t figured out how to download Despecialized :(
@@matt55800 Same here.
I wouldn't say it's better. It's goal is different. Despecialized is the best if you want the best quality without changes made in Special Editions, 4K77 is when you want the most pristine Star Wars experience, just like in 1977 with all that grainy look and feel of the old movie.
Harmy is working with some of the guys at SWT for his Despecialized 3.0
@@matt55800 shoot me a message on Twitter (my Twitter name is biney786) and I'll be more than happy to hook you up with where and how to get them
I stumbled across this a few months ago. Runs great on my devices with no hiccups and looks beautiful projected. I never back kick starters or things like that, but I loved their work so much on this and Jedi that I felt compelled to support them (all be it a meager donation)
They really need a Three-way OT release that allows you the option:
1. Theatrical
2. Current SE
3. Custom where you pick and choose the features
There are a lot of issues with that, especially for a company. Whenever you change the definition, you're changing the format. It means you always have to go back to the Original reals then clean up, edit and change them slightly to work on the new format. No VHS, DVD, or Blueray is actually a theatrical release. Slight changes were made to every home release of the Star Wars movies. Actually multiple versions of the Original 1977 release of Star Wars was put out do to the release being rushed by fox. They still weren't done editing. The voice of Aunt Beru was different depending on the theater and time you saw the movie.
Now what your proposing is to spend all the time, effort and money to make it work in 4K for two different versions of the movie and then create a system where the audience member can further edit it. That is pretty ridiculous. Having multiple versions can create marketing confusion as well. If you're really desperate to cut out parts you don't like just get your own video editor and mix and match scenes.
@GamingPro1003 Yeah, I really like the Episode 5 Empire, the victory scene in Episode 6 and the winodws in cloud city but I hate that Vaders says "NOOO" in the Blu Ray version of Return of the Jedi.
Yeah Disney is not going to do that, because you know as well as I do
they are not going to shell out thousands upon thousands of dollars just so they can make us happy, they are greedy money-hungry corporation.
Ugh yeah your right the 2011 version should never exist let alone be watched.But I kind of like the 2004 version (I know I know i'm a heretic)
I just wished they get rid of a couple of things
1.)That dumb space brontosaurus that obscures the view of the landspeeder
2.)Han Solo's weird neck jerk
3.)Boba Fett's first appearance in docking bay sixty-four
No.
Yes, these are killer! They have also done an amazing series of versions called D+77, D+80 and D+83 (which will be released soon) which use the UHD Disney+ versions as the main source material, but which use footage from the 4K film scans to replace scenes changed in the special editions. You get a little dip in visual quality from time to time due to this, but for me they have become my favourite versions. It's worth going through the sign-up process to get there, believe me! I was shocked by how emotional my response was to seeing these films in such high quality without the special edition changes. Not having to squint my eyes through scenes like Han meeting Jabba in Ep IV, Vader's 'Noooooo!' and Jedi Rocks was such a joy. It really brought the magic back for me.
Can't wait to see this version, it's gonna be great 😁
I finally got to see 4K83. I'm not saying how. It was exactly how i remembered Return of the Jedi in 1985. When i saw the reissue. I was blown away. Other than some faded colors it looked exactly how the film should look. Sounded how it should. No digital additions, cgi cartoons or tomfoolery. Just a good movie.
The man behind the project has a long 3.5 hour podcast about how and why. I never thought of that stuff either. His cut is better than the originals in the theater, because it is multiple scans restoring missing information. We owe this man.
That's incredible! Adywan's Revisited versions are my definitive editions I show people who haven't seen the films before, and I have the Despecialized editions for historical purposes, but I may have to check out 4K77.
There’s a really authentic version called Puggo Grande which is literally the 16mm print of the original Star Wars it’s really good. It’s not high def but it’s still pretty neat
Dude you just helped me out so much. I found this years ago and was recently looking for it, but couldn’t remember where I found it or how to look for it. I’ve been looking for days. Thank you
These are the only versions I watch now. I absolutely love grain and these versions are choc-full of it. Good stuff.
I was born in 99. I have never seen the original versions, but I have always wanted to. I’ve seen clips of what the film looked like originally without all the random additions and the movies seems 10x more solid than the versions we have access to today.
I find interesting that the 4K projects (they hace completed A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, Empire is work in progress) is that they have a better look than the official 4K versions that Disney/Fox made of the OT for Disney+ and the recent Blu Rays.
Disney and Fox didn't make those versions, Lucas did before he sold Star Wars to Disney but never released it.
"That it running over my shoulder."
I don't understand, I just see a fluffy orange cat enjoying a nap.
Duncan Ryan Cat? You need your eyes checked! That's a Wookie!
Awesome, as someone who was 8, and had a mom that pulled me out of school to go to the release of the original (and saw the theatrical release a total of 11 times in theaters) I think this is the best Star Wars news yet. I am heading over to 4K77 to get this today. Thanks
I'm surprised you havent spoken about this before. I was following 4K77 since about a year before it released, checking every month or so to see the progress.
Cool. I see your lego a wing is done
I have it and have worked on it in Final Cut Pro a little bit. A lot of the scans are underexposed where the dark areas are a bit too dark. I was able to bring a little more shadow detail to it and I color corrected it a bit. I'm going to have some friends over to view it in my little mini theater with a projector and screen in my basement. Should be fun!
Haven't heard good star wars news in years. Thanks man!
If any of you enjoy this, the 4K83 is also available. And if you're not a big film grain fan, both of these versions have DNR (digital noise reduction) options for a more modern and clean look.
The entire 4K file of the remastered and authentic theatrical cut of the film is still smaller than the new season 4 Modern Warfare update. Let that sink in
The actual master file is waaay bigger though. Like, multiple terabytes.
I saw this originally in '77 as an 11-yr-old with my 8-yr-old brother at San Diego's Mission Valley Circle Theater (long gone). Before 'A New Hope,' before Episode IV.
I like these discoveries HelloGreedo makes. A hardcore SW fan with a UA-cam channel, thousands of subs, offering his take on everything SW. The only thing is it's like he's that guest that comes late to the party. Remember when he finally got around to watching TCW? Now he's singing the praises of 4K77 and other fan edits which have existed for a long while. At least he's getting around to it. I'm now waiting for him to talk about SW Squadrons and make the connection to the X-wing games and fan efforts for the past 20 years of getting a SW flight sim.
i definitely have a copy of the OT before 97'. and they were everything i thought they could be. of course some of the changes made that made the most sense, are always welcome. thanks for the heads up
3:13 those blobs are most likely the cues for the projectionist telling them that a reel change is coming. The first is a cue to start the next reel and the second of to turn the light on the second projector on. In 1977 most theaters need two prosecutors to run films. Over the years they started using platters that held the entire Film spliced together.
I absolutely love this. I downloaded episodes IV and VI last Christmas and 1977 original looks gorgeous. I’m eagerly awaiting the completion of The Empire Strikes Back’s restoration so I can finally watch the original trilogy the way it should be seen.
I went on ebay & got a copy of the 4K77 versions of STAR WARS & RETURN OF THE JEDI on blu-ray, & they are f_____g awesome!
You got Rip off, it not supposed be sold
Pro tip for running 4K77 on your computer without lag, use MPV. Usually I don't have any issues running 4K77 in VLC but MPV can essentially do it all
I loved seeing 4K77 and 4K83 is incredible and with Harmy despecialized editions over the special edition versions
TN1 Project 4K77 with no dnr looks absolutely fantastic !!! This is definitely my go to STAR WARS.
Some extra info:
1:15 The file is 86GB for the version with film grain intact, while the version that has DNR applied is 45GB.
1:22 VLC has problems with big files and with H.265, try MPV player.
There's also 4k83, a highly detailed transfer of theatrical prints of ROTJ. 4k80 is currently a work in progress, and is quite the arduous task given the ESB prints available.
Where could I get a decent mpv player
@@josgha2917 MPV is the name of a free app for windows. mpv.io
This excited me greatly. Glad you have Adywan's version a mention.
I have an actual unreleased theatrical cut of the OG Star Wars on VHS. Got it from a good friend. It’s pretty cool to see all the changes
I'm fine with Disney+ and Blu-Ray versions.
But the fact this exists is really cool
Good for you, but the special editions are complete shit imo
@@jasonvoorheesthethird ok boomer
Manuel Amaya Wow what a clever answer! You are so incredibly wise and smart to come up with such a unique and intelligent answer! Im sure you're not one of those stupid millennials who has absolutely no imagination whatsoever and who dont know what to say so they always use the same pathetic and overused answer because they simply dont have anything intelligent to say....because you sure dont sound like those pathetic losers! So please, tell me more! :)
@@PlaystationGamerZX Dude they are shit. The new cgi doesn't suit a 70's film
@@PlaystationGamerZX unwatchable. Glad I bought the originals on dvd when they were briefly released in the early 2000s or i would never watch star wars again. As soon as that shit cgi comes on it pulls me right out of the movie
They did a fantastic job finding the original 35mm technicolor print for the film and remastering it in 4K, I really want to get both the fan made Blu-rays for 4K77 & 4K83 both the (DNR & Non DNR versions)
this has been out for years already, literally
and there are several different versions of 4K77, plenty of different file sizes as well
they also come in two different resolutions 1080p and 2160p
disney already have access to a remastered "ultimate" version, which they refuse to release it seems
Yes 4k77 1.0 has been out for two years I think.
And really beware of the different versions and even spin offs.
Skydude is currently working on his "4k77 Skymasters Technicolor Edition" and it looks amazing.
And TN1 are working on 4k77 2.0 (newest for now is the non-DNR 1.4 version) that applies all new techniques they learned in the last 2 years.
@General Grievous The Galactic Hero tell me pls
Seeing this and viewing the website, take me back to watching the original VHS, and then later the 1997 dvd release which included the original theatrical release also.
It’s great that anything that was captured on film can be brought back in 4K and beyond due to film resolution being much higher than current digital technology.
2006 DVD release. Included the 2004 special edition and 1993 transfer of the movies.
@@Knightmessenger , such a poor release though. 4:3 Letterbox non anamorphic you need to use your zoom feature on your HDTV to watch it. The Gout was a joke. And the audio is the remix not the 77 mix. Never mind the motion smearing, black levels being wrong and dvnr.
Star wars 1977, was the first film my dad ever saw at the cinemas. He was 6 years old.
This is why is was so determined to keep my vhs copies...Both the mid 90s box set (two sets) and my original release VHS tapes. ( Safely stored, views only once to check quality.)
But vhs is total shit though and virtually unwatchable
THX for informing me about this project. Love from Germany
#releasetheoriginalcuts
#TheyLiterallyCantUnlessTheDealChanged
DiamondFire Which deal?
George is still holding them hostage. The government still wants an original copy so they can put it in the National Archives for all to see but George still hasn't sent them so there's nothing they can do.
@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny "Empire of Dreams The Star Wars Trilogy" I literally just watched the first half of it on Disney + it's an excellent old documentary I'd definitely recommend giving it a watch if you own Disney + already.
It's seventy seven.
The original 1977 release "A New Hope" isn't on the crawl, would be most awesome.
This is some super cool stuff! Thanks for sharing this!
If you want your PC to play 4k video without stuttering all you have to do is use hardware video acceleration.
It depends on your GPU but if you're running Windows 10 just use any video player that supports DXVA.
VLC supports is by pressing Control-P to open Preferences then clicking Input/Codecs and the first drop down choose DXVA or D3D11.
I'm running Windows 7 so DXVA isn't an option for me but I have a Geforce 1050 and I play videos with MPC-BE with LAV Filters, so I just use CUVID
Finally true to life rendering of Star Wars with true colors of 1977 release. Im 53 now and the closest we ever got the original were the laserdisc cuts before 1997 fixxxxxxxesssss. We never had true ambiance rendering of the 1977 print.Greedo does not stand a chance😂The one way I found the closest origial print goes to return of the Jedi were you see the falcon flying torward the screen and you also Tie fighters heading past it then in about 2 seconds you see them disappear due to the limits of special effects at the time then later fixed by CGI and that is one way tell how you can tell the difference Until now you have the best possible version.I wonder if those TieFighter pilots appolgized to Vader for going awol.😂😂😂😨
Take a shot every time HG says the number 7
*gets arrested for mass murder
36 times if I'm correct
4K77 but every time he says 7 it speeds up by 7%.
Excellent info on this project. Thanks! With that being said, we must know(since this is as close to an absolute first printing there is), WHO SHOT FIRST??!!
Thank you! Just found your channel & instant sub over this video alone! Outstanding!
I wonder if it could be combined with the harmy despecialized version to clean up even more scratches.
Harmy is working on 3.0, but it will be mostly from the UHD version which has a lot of changes from the original.
It's gorgeous. They've done Return of the Jedi as well (Project 4k83) as the prints they got were in super good condition already so not as much work was needed. They're working on Empire Strikes Back (Project 4k80) right now.
I love the grain effect. I just watched unaltered Star Wars and I just like the old 70s affected a really does show how old Star Wars is.
4K77 is from a release print from 1977. The grain you see is from the print.
So its like when I first saw it at the drive-thru theatre, nice. I wish I was a kid again.
The only changes I hope they keep from the special editions are:
. The Emperor in Episode 5
. Boba Fett's voice
. Cloud city windows in episode 5
. the hord of Stormtroopers in episode 4
I like the X-wing squadron in ANH, too. (Being able to see the pilots in the cockpit windows as they're flying to the Death Star, specifically.)
ROTJ's revised ending was a nice tie-in with the prequels (having Hayden as Anakin, more so than Naboo's "Wesa free" that always cracks me up), but I wouldn't be bent out of shape if they stuck with the original scenes and score. It's the Max Rebo band that always annoyed me in the special edition.
I helped donate to this project and I can not wait for them to finish Empire. I know it would have cost more, but I think scanning the prints at 8K would have been a more future proof option.
There's no point in scanning at 8K, 4K is enough.
Negative one is right there is not 8K of information on a release print. I would be surprised if there was more than 2k. You do 4k so when you compress you don't lose quality or so i've heard. Now if you had access to the Original negative only the Vistavision stuff would be possible for 8k scanning. But you would noway near get that kind of quality. It is not 65mm neg. Only 35mm. 8k is too costly and few films are done in that. The only i can think of is the Wizard of OZ. We were lucky just to get the Special Edition in 4k res when its an original shot, but when its a 2K shot it is uprezzed. That is an official 4K release and every cgi new shot is 2K res. The optical effects, the visual effects on the originals had so many passes to get a final shot they probably are closer to 1080P at best. With 5 levels of grain that are not in the live action shots.
I love how Disney says they couldn’t possibly restore and release the theatrical cuts, even though people are already doing it. They don’t want my money.
So nostalgia has blinded you?
I actually saw the "original" theatrical release when my parents took me to the cinema to see it for my fifth birthday. Back then it was just Star Wars, nothing added. Imagine my confusion when "episode lV" was added years later. I'd really like to see that original release again. Years later when they started filming the first episode, I came across some info on the internet that Lucas had split the story into 9 parts and I'd argue with a friend who was a Star Wars nut that the last 3 parts would eventually be filmed because Lucas was constantly tinkering with the original trilogy. He just couldn't help himself. Eventually George proved me right. lol
Lucas third trilogy never happened. Because he cut down the number of episodes to VI. Even though during pre-production of the Phantom Menace Rick McCallum was talking about Lucas working on the prequels and sequels. Lucas just had no desire to do more Luke stories. He spent nearly ten years doing the prequels and another 6 years on Clone Wars. He spent almost two decades doing Anakin Skywalker stories. And he wanted to do even more prequel stories in an abandoned series called Star Wars underworld. In the 30 some old years since Return of the Jedi he had more than enough time to write a sequel after return of the jedi, focusing on Luke. He could have even handed it off to another director. He just was not interested.
The 1984 CBS/Fox Hi-Fi VHS tape is the closest to the actual movie theater version I have seen. I still watch it and the newer versions.
That's why 4k77 is here, the actual original 35mm theatrical version that was in theaters in 1977. This is amazing😍
The latest 4K release and the version that's streaming in a lower bitrate on Disney+ is a closer match to the colour timing of the original release than the Blu-ray, which was an abomination. The Mike Verta 4K restoration took multiple 35mm prints and custom software to overlay and compare each and remove anomalies in dirt and grain to restore fine detail. It's a better technique than restoring a single print because there will always be some degree of interpretation when data is restored using interpolation by resampling a single source. That being said, this still looks like a great release and it's always good to have options.
I was there the FIRST WEEKEND it played in Kentucky (the long lines did not materialize until the SECOND weekend. I saw it again on Disney Plus last week and it was clear that they messed up the sound big time.
How is it fans can do this but a multi billion doller company owned by another multi billion doller company can't?
it’s not that they can’t it’s that george doesn’t want the original version to be the one people watch
hell, the fucking library of congress asked him for the original version to preserve it forever and he said no
It's pretty much been confirmed that there are proper 4k remasters of the non-special edition trilogy, I think Gareth Edwards straight up said that they have them over at Lucasfilm and that he watched them and JJ has alluded to it to.
The popular theory is that George made it a part of the deal when he sold SW to Disney that they only could release "his" versions of the movies. Seems like this might be the case otherwise I have no idea what Disney are waiting for.
@@snitchbug Where Library of Congress failed to persuade George , rogue fans did their thing and released 4K77.
Won’t *
Blame uncle George.
Oh yes! I own this! It’s one of the best original versions!!
Great to hear - too bad couldn’t get a hold of a 70mm print to scan (and its 6 track magnetic sound).
Hello Greedo I'm with you thanks for all your hard work you're doing for our community much love & respect x
Idk how, but hand movements are amazing for giving expression to characters like stormtroopers
I still want customizable version of the movies where we can change anything from them. That would be the dream.
That sounds amazing. Hats off to this group for doing something like this. And it does look good from what I've seen in this video. And it's amazing that these guys got their hands on actual "vintage" negatives of the film.
That said, a couple of the comments make sound like Lucasfilm (under Lucas himself) didn't use the original negatives. I thought he did. I do remember him describing how they went back to the original negatives and "cleaned them up... considerably" (think were his words). Added scenes and effects, etc., not withstanding, when you compare the Special and later editions to this, the big difference is that 4k77's version is upscaled and a true "virgin" cut of the film. At least that's what I see.
Nobody got negatives of anything (ha). These were scanned from release prints.
I’ve owned the OT on laserdisc since 1992 and boy are they grainy and splotchy. On the disc for ANH, during the scene where Luke is practicing his lightsaber skills on the Falcon, there’s even some damaged film that goes flying by. So I’m really happy to hear about this project.
I have the deluxe THX Lucasfilm CAV laserdiscs. They are awesome clear, and great quality. You must have the cheaper releases.
negative1 I have that set as well. I purchased the other ones at Disc Jockey in Lexington in 92. They were $70 each. So yes, cheaper, but not cheap.
Can't wait for them to finish the 4k80 project
Its going to be another year or more.
I have both the 4k77 and 4k83 on Blu-ray, and they are absolutely incredible, they literally look like they did when they came out in theaters back in 1977 and 1983!!! I just cant wait for the 4k80 now!
Edit: To anyone interested, you have to get the "no DNR" versions, because thats exactly how the movies looked like back in the days, its amazing! I feel like i went back in time every time that i watch them!
Team Negative 1 said that the watching no DNR version of 4k77 is not 100% just like watching the film in theaters in 1977, because when you watch it in different ways the movie will look different than the way as it was projected in theaters in 1977. But 4k77 is really great.
@StarWarsfan 1977 I’ve watched Star Wars in theaters in 1977, and the 4k77 is exactly like what I’ve experienced back in the days. So I don’t care what anyone could say, because I personally experienced it......by the way, i wonder how many of those guys saw Star Wars in theaters back in the days to be able to compare it with the 4k77 like I can. The 4k77 is more than just great imo, it’s absolutely perfect.
@@jasonvoorheesthethird I agree that 4k77 is exactly as it was in theaters, because i compare some parts from documentaries, tv spots and more. And i found out that this is actually how it looked in 1977. Thanks for the feedback 😊.
@StarWarsfan 1977 Well, thank you for being honest and respectful, it’s so rare nowadays! Especially on the internet, a conversation like that usually ends up with insults and name callings, so it’s a great change! It shows what kind of person that you are, and the world needs more people like you! I truly appreciate it, thanks!
You're welcome, thanks for the compliment, i appreciate that.
i just want a good source for the ROTJ theatrical cut, I have the first 2 but that one eludes my search efforts
Can't figure out how to get access to this?
This has been available for a while now, 4k83 for Jedi is also out and 4k80 is in the process of scanning in.
4K80 has been scanned. They're working on it.
My biggest complaint about the special editions is that a lot of Oscar-winning visual effects work went into the original release and the work of those great artists is erased by CGI.
Yes, huh. Stanley Kubrick cuts off like full 20-minute scenes that he worked so hard on because he hates them. But George Lucas just makes some small tweaks to improve his films. Take off your nostalgia goggles right now.
@@prequeldefender < appropriate name. Dude, it isn't about nostalgia. It is about respecting the work of the OTHER artists who worked on those films too. Lucas wasn't the only guy making those films. A lot of extremely talented people put Oscar-worthy levels of effort into those films, and that important piece of film history is now lost and cannot be appreciated or studied by modern editors, cinematographers, and effects artists.
@@prequeldefender it would be like if Cooper & Schoedsack put CGI over Ray Harryhausen's work in the original King Kong and then **DELETED** his original animations.
@@pudgimelon I get what you mean , however the more are much more artists and actors who have worked on the films for George that he cut their work before the original versions. Go watch Rick Worley and you will know what I mean.
@@pudgimelon it has to do with the artistic intentions with the creator. Cooper and Schoedsack does not want to CGI anything because they felt that these will make the film worse and Lucas wants to CGI his films to make them better. Go watch these *quote quote* awful *quote quote* prequels right now.
I’ve been interested in this ever since your appearance on the BombadCast
Increase your cache value on VLC to get it smooth. Or use Pot player which is better in every way possible
4k77 is great, but honestly I prefer the recent D+77 by oohteedee. The reason I personally want the original 1977 version is simply because I think it's a better film, not because I have any nostalgia for "authentic theatrical experience" (I'm only 20 years old). 4k77 is an amazing transfer, but the inconsistencies in the colors just bother me way too much for me to fully enjoy.
Even though it's not a perfect 1977 version, I think D+77 is the version with the best colors so it's my go to version. You can find it on the same page as 4k77 if you're interested.
That's only because you are way too used to revisionist transfers that scrub grain, make more 'consistent' colors and are artificially sharpened. That version looks washed out with at times a smeary picture and muted colors. 4K77 however is AMAZING with a very lively transfer with nice vivid 70s color and no scrubbing of grain. If you want to see literally the original 1977 version, 4K77 is the only one.
The 1984 CBS/Fox Hi-Fi VHS tape is the closest to the actual movie theater version I have seen. The only change is A New Hope at the beginning.
@@Pete-eb3vo Yeah, I know, that's literally what I meant when I said *"The reason I personally want the original 1977 version is simply because I think it's a better film, not because I have any nostalgia for "authentic theatrical experience"*
Every home video release of every movie is "revisionist" and fixes inconsistencies because film is an inherently inconsistent format. It's all up to personal preference, and my personal preference is D+77 because I'm not looking for EXACTLY what was on screen in the 70's with the EXACT technicolor grade because I have no nostalgia for it. I'm not looking for *"literally the original 1977 version"*, I'm just looking for a high quality close enough version without the distracting CGI, and that one satisfies me.
I still have the origal trilogy on VHS tape, and have kept my old VCR simply for the purpose of watching Star Wars as originally intended.
4K77 (by Team Negative 1) and Harmy’s Despecialized Edition are Fan RESTORATIONS, they are not fan edits. Fan restorations seek to restore the film as close as possible to the original version of the film as it was seen in its original theatrical release. Adywan’s “Star Wars: Revisited” is a fan edit. He added and changed things within the film that he, personally, thought could’ve been done better or weren’t done correctly in the original theatrical 1977 version of the film. There’s a huge difference between a “fan edit” and a “fan restoration”.
1:29 is your TV with one of those "motion smoothing" or any other sh*t turned on???
Harmy is working on a despecialized edition in 3.0, which will be a combination of the 4k77 and 4k disney project + special editions without film grain
You can download a "Digital Noise Reduction - DNR" version of 4K77 that has reduced film grain. They released it alongside the normal 4K77 version. You can find similar ones for ROTJ.
@@Tom-B292-S3 and will the quality decrease or remain the same?
@@j.k4150 It is a little less sharp in some scenes but it looks really nice. But there is a catch. The DNR version only exists for 4k77 v1.0. The newest version of 4k77 is v1.4. The newer versions have much better color correction and some other fixes. TN1 said that they would have to redo the DNR for the new CC so they didn't bother. But this summer SkyDude is coming out with his "4k77 Skymasters Technicolor Edition" that has a better CC and custom DNR and it looks amazing (there are already 2 beta versions out). And later there is a new 4k77 v2.0 coming out.
Awesome video!
2:03 This sort of highlights an argument I've always made. The Blu-Ray looks more natural and that's fine, and the 4K77 looks like a movie from 1976 should. I wouldn't want to watch Gone with the Wind all made to look natural and modern. Half of the fun of vintage films is being transported back to the time when that movie came from.
Think of it as a vintage car with a modern engine, transmission, drivetrain, seats, wheels, brakes. Sure.... it RESEMBLES a vintage car and it works like a car should. But it's nothing like experiencing an ALL ORIGINAL vintage car. 8-track player and all.
I'm still holding out hope that we'll see those original unaltered versions again on Disney Plus one day. HOPE!!
This is exciting! The oldest version I've seen is a VHS Special Edition, but I've mostly watched them on DVD. I'd like to see someone combine this with some of the actual improvements that were made.
We’ll wait until there actually are improvements.
The one VHS tape I have held onto is my 1993 Widescreen edition of Star Wars (YES Star Wars, that's what it was called when I saw it back in 1977 aged 6) which I have used only once or twice.
I have the original trilogy in their theatrical releases on dvd so I can’t wait to experience it in blu ray!
That shirt had me crack'n up, man!
Soooo...what was gained by adding the blue tint? Can someone explain?