Is The US Army’s New Helmet a Complete Disaster? The IHPS
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2023
- Today we are testing the US Army’s brand new helmet the Integrated Head Protection System. A lot of people have said the new IHPS does not perform well. In today’s video we directly compare the protection of the IHPS vs the old Army Combat helmet the venerable ECH. How will it perform?!
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As a retired First Sergeant, I can assure you that all those rounds would have been survivable if you had fastened the chinstrap.
I love this 😂 the memories
Jesus, Top, just let me pretend to be John Wayne.
@@teamflyboys buckle your fuckin chinstrap John Wayne
@@teamflyboys no one needs a John Wayne 🤌🏽
Truth. Second only to the most lethal mistake; hands in pockets.
One of the most important factors that should be considered when choosing a helmet is how cool it looks
That is why I wear a portable freezer for ballistic protection.
90% of being cool is looking cool.
I'm astounded they didn't go for the nazi style helmet given the current admin
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs say what you will about the nazis but their helmet designs is what paved the way for modern helmets.
That's why everything from Russia is way cooler
as someone with no combat experience whatsoever, i can confirm that those rounds wouldn't have caused any major damage if they weren't fired.
Except if you sat down on them.
Same as with any other hard objects.
You are supposed to fall on them from a ladder while cleaning naked!
@@Seelenschmiede Ah, yes, sure.
#Accidentally 👍👍
😁
Lol.
🤣
As a former ODST who served on Reach, I can tell you that those helmets absolutely would not save you from a needle rifle
As a former marine from new Mombasa, I can tell you these helmets absolutely would not save you from a 9.5x40 from a br55 from a friendly fire incident
Prior service ODST here, 23/65, a buddy of mine actually did survive a needle rifle on his helmet (though no this one) before. The round bounded off his helmet, which was beyond lucky. Getting called "pin head" for the rest of his time was not. rip
My buddy died to a brute shot wearing those helmets 😭
@@Allseeingguy-sp2hw :|
Neither would a spartan helmet, did you hear what happened to NOBLE team’s technical expert
As a former veteran of a WW2 reenactment I can tell you those rounds wouldn’t have penetrated if they were blanks
Lol bUt HaVe yOu tEsTeD iT????!
I mean… he’s not wrong
hahahahahahahaha you got me bruh
My brain is hurting from hearing this
The logic, penetranted
Another fantastic demonstration of how a ballistic helmet's primary function is NOT protection from rifle/pistol rounds but rather a secondary function. They are primarily designed to protect from shrapnel and blunt force trauma.
yes
Good to know my head will be caved in while my body is perfectly safe from bullets. lol
Should of stuck with the Bastion Diamond Age.
so exactly the same as the old helmets from ww1...
@@ugandanknuckles3900 not all of your body just the middle-ish of your plate
it saves when it'd be a lethal hit without it with at least some sort of angle to the shot rather than a dead-on shot.
I remember a range Sgt at Ft Benning who was a vet of Grenada. He went in with, I believe, 82nd Airborne. Anyway, he had a 1st Gen K-Pot, the super heavy bucket with the double thick rim around the edge in front & back and the double thick side protection over the ear area. He caught an AK to the noggin, right on that thick rim in front. It snapped his head back, sprained his neck, but did not penetrate. It actually stuck in that rim. He got to keep the helmet and turned it into a conversation piece.
My drill seargents in 73 told about one of their friends, also a DI, who got hit in the side of the head by an AK round. Apparently it hit, amf imbedded 1/2 inch into the side of his head. “He was STRAK before. He’s very mallow now compared to before.”
@ 30 years ago, I worked with a guy who was a squad leader in Germany, on the Czech border. He said there were constant border issues, and nothing made the news.
One incident was when they got this HUGE black private. He was so big, his steel pot wouldn't fit even at the loosest setting; it looked like a helmet from Beetle Bailey on his head. So, one day on patrol, this private suddenly pitches face first into the dirt. He stands back up, wobbly, touches the back of his head, and comes away bloody. He then pitches face down again, and stands up wobbly. He feels the back of his head again, and again comes away bloody. After this, everyone got low, left the area, and hunted cover. They called for a medevac, and the wounded private was taken back to base while the rest went on a sniper hunt. The shooter wasn't caught, but the 2 spent 7,62x54mmR cases were there, roughly 1,200m away from the spot where the private was standing. He recovered and from then on was known as "Hard Hat", because the 2 rounds DIDN'T PENETRATE; his skull bone was literally 1" thick!
Same Sgt, different patrol, he and his RTO had to get up high to get signal in a mountainous area. So, they're up on this peak, next to a steep dropoff (his description), when up out of the dropoff comes a Czech Mi-24 Hind. He said that Hind just hung there, the 4-barrel 12,7mm machinegun tracking every little movement they made. He told his RTO to freeze, then held up his right hand (the radio handpiece was in his left), and gave a slow wave to the crew in the Hind. He said the pilot did a wing waggle, gave a little wave, then flew off. They were scared shitless that those Czechs were going to light them up .
Holy shit, that sniper probably just ran away, after shooting a guy twice in the head and him just getting up and rubbing his head 😂
My grandfather was hit with a round from the space shuttle door gunner and he has the thruster from the space shuttle
@@Dragon_Werks you're telling me the thin strip between west Germany and Czech Republic had armed conflict along the border and I never knew? Where can I read more
Helmets went into widespread use during WW1 and for specific reason of protecting head against shrapnel and rocks flying around after an explosion, raining down on entrenched soldiers. Nice to see how far technology got in getting even limited protection against close range bullet shots.
Helmets were always used.
Not when it came to firearms, don't think a bicorne qualifies as a helmet.
@@Tojo89 That's a hat. A shako is a helmet of that time for example. Romans already used the cassis.
There are other options, just nothing practical and price effective. Most samurai’s had little to no armor. The beautiful armor prices you see were only owned by wealthy samurai.
It is Ashigaru you are talking about. Samurai were nobles, they were expected to have a certain standard in gear and atire. Often going as far as lending money and going bankrupt to keep the requirements.
Personally witnesses an ACH deflect a point blank 5.56 coming out of a SAW during a MOUNT training mishap. Guy was severely concussed but ended up being okay.
Really glad the guy was okay, and really really glad I wasn't in their unit.
ACH and ECH both are excellent helmets
Thank the good LORD for the saved life. 👍
exceptions to the rule aren't the rule
@Delsin Hays unless we're talking about sperm.
@@GarandThumb How can two things be good at the same time though? Is that legal/allowed? I thought it was required that only one thing was good so we could be upset about the other thing.
When I did my mandatory military service in a central-European country, I asked what calibers the helmet would protect us from. Got the answer "None. It'll protect against some shrapnel. Maybe". Very confidence inspiring.
Makes ya keep your head down lol
Better to not find out
Helmets have saved lives. If it is at a weird angle it may well deflect the round or take enough sting from it to save someone's life. Your head won't.
Considering 80% of the casualties in Ukraine are from shrapnel, it's probably fine that it only protects from shrapnel. You make the helmet too heavy and soldiers won't wear it. Doesn't matter how many rounds it can stop if it's on your backpack and not on your head
I cannot tell you the amount of times I bumped my head into stuff, either on accident or due to being in a shaky transport. That helmet saved me from a lot of concussions.
That .22 damage was way more than I'd expected, and I've caught one of those in the calf as a kid! 😮
That hurt didnt it
@@duonglethai8701 Naw, he built a tolerence by shooting himself with increasingly powerful airguns.
Why were you going around shooting baby cows? That's just mean.
My step dad and his cousin were playing war when they were young back in the 70s he shot a piece of tin my cousin was behind and hit him in the neck with a 22 he thought he was gonna die then my cousin shot back at my step dad who was behind a tree and he caught bird shot in his leg from a 410. It was a skinny tree he still has the shot in his leg.
@@Sk4llikinsane reference
Thank you for the video. While I'm not exactly a survivor of the Battle of Belleau Wood my service time was a while ago, but I still find this stuff pretty interesting.
Back in the day we all wore our helmets with really no idea how they would perform under certain circumstances. I think it's nice that today that all this kind of information is out there for the troops.
When you were in, it really depended on which blacksmith made your helmet, didn't it?
@@Centermass762 😆
*Bollywood
Be honest, you wore a turtle shell on your head and were issued 30 caliber rocks.
@@Centermass762bruh
Resistance to blunt force trauma is a big one when you consider how many of the US Army's deaths are vehicle accident related.
des the helmet help against friendly fire tho?
@@Brooyah they should add IR strobes so the A-10 can friendly fire more precisely
@@0katze The a10 is so old it doesn't even have IR and people still say the its better than the F-35
@@BasedGrandmasKitchen whoosh......
I used to wonder why tank personnel wear helmets inside of their thick armor. Seemed a bit superfluous.
2009 Afghanistan I was the victim of a command det IED made with a Russian 152 Artillery round the blast bounced me off of an MRAP and out of the whole round one piece of shrapnel hit me in the side of my helmet and it went through just far enough to split my scalp about 6 inchs on the right side of my head, my interpreter ran out a grabbed my oh shit handle on the back of my body armor and drug me behind the MRAP, The piece that hit me was about the size of a Gerber tool, our Doc had to pull the piece out of my helmet with a pair of pliers to get my helmet off, they medivaced me back to Bagram where they xrayed me and found no fractures stitched me up and held me over night, I thank the guys who invented that helmet for my life, I still get headaches but I'm alive and still able to hold my wife and grandkids because of that helmet.
A true miracle. I am lucky to have never put this helmet to the test in my deployments. God bless you and I thank him that you're still with us.
God bless you.
@@calid.this is bait
@@replexity idk what u r talking about
that is what you get when you get involved in the affairs of other countries, stay at home you will be better
Can't tell you how much this channel has helped me, going through separation and your the bro vibe I need ,
While I realize you really need a new helmet each time you shoot it for a real test, this still was interesting and enjoyable. The lightness of the helmet seems more important as helmet mounted gear becomes more important.
All I gotta say is that I had a buddy I was deployed with who had a IHIPs on and took a 7.62 to the dome, and he survived.
it seems to be a well built helmet!
Holy smoke, nice, though I'm sure that DEFINITELY hurt.
Probably had a headache for a month.
"Ring my belllllll, ring my belllll" 😂
you had a buddy ?what is he passed on now ,,just speak in past tenths is all ?
Not a combat veteran but I have read numerous reports and seen multiple videos of US soliders in both Iraq and Afghanistan take rounds to the head and survive due to oblique angles and long ranges, the ECH is no joke, its an excellent standard issue ballistic helmet.
What I saw from the IHPS in your video I definitely agree that it seems to be a complete upgrade with weight savings, additional blunt force trauma improvements (this being the critical part), and it even managed to stop a point blank 7.62x39 round (anything with 25 meters is point blank in terms of ballistics). I think the US Government got this one right, even a broken clock is right at least twice a day.
There is video of one in Iraq. Completely destroyed the helmet knocked the soldier out and saved his life
Guy from my church took a direct 7.62 to the head in afghanistan during a convoy ambush and survived relatively unharmed. ECH the GOAT
The new body armor is also leagues better than the IOTV
It's definitely a damn broken clock.
A broken clock is accurate twice as often as a broken military clock.
I never expected them to stop anything but a .22, what i'm more curious about is how they'd perform in their intended function, shrapnel.
Idk how hard it is to get a hand grenade but im interested to see how the helmets would hold up against the explosion and shrapnel from a grenade suspended, say, 5m/15ft above them.
Thank you for the demo, Brother!
This helmet is designed to be worn together with a PT belt. This is not an accurate test as the helmet will not perform properly without a PT belt in the direct vicinity...
If a PT belt would of at least been on the table. That helmet would of stopped an API. Of any caliber!
Is there anything gayer than a PT belt, oh yes, soccer.
A pt belt is like a strength buff I would bet money if it had a PT belt on it, it would stop a 50 from 3 yards with 0 deformation
@@jpop3583 oh no for sure bud. Lol.
Hard
I had a buddy who served in Afghanistan around 2013 as a Combat Engineer and took a 762x39 to his back plate and the side of his head. Miraculously the round caught and he spent a good bit in the hospital but he’s still kicking. Those helmets are life savers. (Forgot to mention it was his back plate and the side of his helmet sorry for confusion)
These helmets won't catch a 7.62. Ol boy might have been telling a tale.
@@bowdezaufa2609o he's probably not lying, there's been plenty of cases where a 7.62x39 round from far away lodged itself into the ACH or went around the rim and got stuck in the kevlar fibers, if the round it from far away and has lost energy it's not a surprising case but yea normally it's 3A rated.
@@thegalapagos57 Theres just far more cases of that round making a clean pass through the ACH with a soldier wearing it, but from an angle or hundreds of yards ...you're right.
@@bowdezaufa2609 In Afghanistan and Iraq, if someone got shot by a terrorist from far distances everyone just assumed it was from an AK, but the Taliban in Afghanistan had a large supply of SVDs that the Soviets left behind in the 1980s Soviet-Afghan War along with a lot of 7.62x54mmR and those could and would punch through an ACH from the 2000s era. SVDs weren't as common in Iraq but they were readily available on the black market along with the ammunition for it. That made a significant amount of what I did in Iraq, a buddy and I would confiscate weapons from potential arms dealers.
@@MisterNi I served in Afghanistan in 2010 and 99% of the weapons we confiscated were AKs and pistols. A 54r would go through any ballistic helmet made even today.
Awesome video as usual 👍👍
How are you liking that Arc'teryx?
As someone whos used the ACH, IHPS, and OPSCORE throughout my career(as well as messing with a HHV a little) I can confirm nothing was more disheartening in this new wave of gear they're pushing out than hearing everyone would be getting the IHPS. Nobody in a unit using OPSCOREs would ever touch them, and most people in traditional units I've spoken to are denying issue of them so they can continue using their ACH. And that's not to mention the IHPS isn't even compatible with half of our NVGs. Total disaster and such a disappointment when the alternative was OPSCOREs for all.
Note that the size of the helmet does actually affect its structural integrity. The smaller the helmet, the tighter the radius of the dome, the more resistant it will be to buckling under stresses.
Wdym?
Smaller helmet less blackface deforestation
@@futuretrunks3158 What?
Smaller helmet= more a altoid velocity
Smaller helmet = less blackforest discrimination
Shoot, I completely forgot we got these right before deployment. Definitely enjoyed the weight savings...Time to see if it would actually have saved my butt though lol. As always, thank you Flannel Daddy for answering the burning questions I didn't know I even had lol
@@Pallium_Industries They don't want to compromise on the ballistic protection
@@vaitomanocu5562 Who cares about ballistic protection when you can look cool with a high cut though lol
It won't save your butt but maybe your pie hole
@@spencer7197 IHPS looks cooler to me.
@@MrDK0010 I respect that. I will say compared to ACH I was rocking before the IHPS (keep wanting to say IHOPs), the IHPS was a huge quality of life improvement. Not just the weight savings but the multicam shroud is just attached with velcro (no need to pop the bolts out for the chinstrap to attach a shroud), no helmet band to tie down with 550 cord (just had to put name and blood type on a little hook panel for the IHPS), I felt that the chinstrap was a little better (didn't need to adjust and tighten constantly when running NODS). Might not seem like much but all these things definitely made this a huge improvement.
Getting some real the Division 2 vibes from the music
Great testing keep it up man!
Hey man, huge fan. Where did you get that jacket? I’ve been looking for one like that for a while. I could definitely use one, I’m stationed at JBLM right now. 👍
I absolutely love the fact that "If you're not fit, you're gonna die" is still a thing.
Currently I am trying to get as fit as possible due to this dad advice. Thanks GT!!!
@Donald McRonald bro was the main character
@Donald McRonald lol it’s not a difficult task to “single handedly” kill any number of folks when you’re a sniper and have enough targets to shoot at. Not to mention the guy was a psycho before the war. He definitely had the means and the attitude to be a rather successful killer.
@Donald McRonald Are you suggesting a farmer, who does manual labor every day, was not in shape?
@@YouReallyDontKnow just like the confederate meatriders to celebrate a murderous sniper 💀
@@Outlander.-. he prolly meant fit in a more traditional way like going to the gym and what not but still a bad example on his part cool story though
It’s a good day when Father Garand uploads.
You read my mind.
Indeed it is
So garand daddy?
He uploads almost every Sunday.
yep😊
"There are tons of good helmets out there..." - unfortunately, these two no longer qualify. "...My old man's a TV repair man. All I need's a few tools and I'll have this baby looking good as new." - Jeff Spicoli, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. ..... A comprehensive, no-nonsense evaluation. Well done.
Teaching my son the fundamentals of combat and firearm training. Thank you for all your videos.
I was issued an IHPS last year. Absolutely love it compared to the ACH. Fits better on the head and NVGs mount a lot more firmly with little to no wobble.
That nvg mount is fragile asf
UltimateDan1 Was the helmet lighter at all?
oxide was the first to expose the army. the ech is far superior to ihps. what's the point of catching the bullet if the deformation kills you. just wear extra large helmet? with softer padding. please..
@@wirelessone2986 build a stronger neck and helmet weight is a non issue
@@cagneybillingsley2165 that’s definitely not the right answer. Even having a helmet that’s half the weight is bad for your neck when worn for long duration, no matter how strong your neck is. Any weight savings is always better.
We got in a TIC at my COP in Afghanistan back in 2010. The gunfire had ceased for a few minutes. My team leader stood up for way too long and took a single round through the helmet (ACH) behind his right ear. We believe the shot came from about 200m out. He lived for about an hour after he was hit but died at KAF.
Most rounds have an optimum range at which they penetrate better than when fired at point blank range
Shit man. Mad respect to you guys. My TL did some time in Afghanistan too and got hit in the plate carrier at some point.
At least give the man's name so we can honor him.
@@mikehutchinson2191 wait how does that work :o?
@@slushypuppies I don't know anything about the subject but I would assume that at the initial speeds, some rounds have so much energy they shatter on impact rather than hold shape and penetrate
I enjoy watching you videos. I'm just curious. what camera and gear do you use to film?
Great video! And your kit …. 😩😩😩😩🔥🔥🔥always influencing my damn gear purchases.
The fact that both held up from multiple shots shows how far the tech for them has come.
I recommend looking into getting shock indicator labels to cheaply measure blunt impact. They're a few dollars each and could be useful with testing armor and helmets
Sounds good, but it doesn't provide meaningful information in ballistic helmet testing. Similar to this video.
@800lb Gorilla helmets weren't originally meant for ballistics though. A majority of deaths they prevent come from shrapnel and vehicle related head injuries. Yes, they are now made to help stop ballistics, but the point of a helmet is shrapnel and blunt force trauma, not ballistics.
@@jdub8925 The PASGT helmet designed in *1977* was explicitly built to provide ballistic protection, specifically NIJ Level IIIA using Kevlar Aramid, in accordance with MIL-STD-662. So if by "yes they are now made to help stop ballistics" you mean for the last 46 years, you're right. Thanks.
@800lb Gorilla how long have militaries been fielding helmets? Romans? Vikings? The Crusaders? Safe to say a few thousand years right? So if something with a history that long was remade in 1977, it's pretty safe to say they have recently been made to help prevent injuries to ballistics. Point being, helmets still save more soldiers from blunt force trauma than ballistics. And the key word in YOUR statement being "ballistic protection" because they are far from being bulletproof.
@@jdub8925No armor is "bulletproof".
Plates aren't 100% either.
In the scale of things, being not dead is the goal.
Also I assure you I'd rather be wearing an old timey helmet if I was struck by an arrow or sling bullet. I might actually live that depending.
So protection from projectiles has been a thought going into the design to one degree or another since y'know
Like the bronze age.
Another awesome vid! The comment below about the chin strap might have some validity. I know that race and motorcycle helmets are almost worthless if the chin strap isn't tight.
Also, I love the PA prism scopes (I have 3), but I don't like that they are made in China. Regardless, they are pretty awesome!
And another thing....we miss Charlie! Is he ok?
Love your stuff dude started watching 6months or so ago. Could you do a test on different handgun calibers versus ballistics (gel, head, torso, etc etc) for those who are looking to get into CCW in selecting their caliber? A variety would be cool, Biggest debate ive seen is .380 vs 9mm. Realistically if they cause extremly similar results then the Argument is kind of moot but im curious about all typical carry calibers. Thanks, love your stuff dude god bless you, Micah, Charlie and your team.
He has a newer video about .380 vs 9mm, idk if you've seen it but 9mm is the winner all the way
Wore the ACH in 2010, I would definitely wear an IHPS. Looks like a solid helmet
happy that it performed at the same level as the ECH
@Mega Comet they have been getting worse and worse over the last year. Make sure to report them when you see them, youtube can't keep up without people reporting bot accounts
The- ACK
I wouldn’t want to wear a soft helmet
@Mega Comet They are trying to get clicks from curiosity. Don’t use their links.
The Army and Marines have made some very different acquisition choices over the last 5 years. I cool video would be a comparison not only of capabilities, but of the different ideologies behind their different choices.
If you can. Go into a little detail in your opinion on the difference choices and the ideologies please.
Yeah, dont the marines have high cut helmets now?
Oh, yes please. Army vs Marine comparison on their choice of helmet
Easy answer
USMC = unfunded
Army = slightly more funded
And yes I am AD Crayon Eater
@@jaidroldan145 I am only seeing M27IARs High cut helmets and in general more well Equipped Soldiers than the US Army
Would be interesting if you added some impact sensors to see how much energy is received through the padding
Love your videos! Would like to see a video from you on radio recommendations for civilians.
They issued the IHPS to my unit before deployment, and speaking from experience I can say that it is extremely comfortable, light, sturdy and does it’s job with NVGs and mounts. It is honestly everything you want and more In a combat helmet. It’s a million times better than the old ACH and other helmets I’ve worn in the Army.
I might just lose it in a boating accident…who knows? 🤷♂️
CIF won't care if you lost it in a "boating accident." Still paying for that bad boy.
Loose?
Thank you for your service.
So that FLIPL will state that you lost it. Got it. A turd is a turd. Also, that plastic bracket lever rattles with NOD's and has a lot of play. Don't exaggerate how superior it is. All it is is more comfortable.
@@mattmarzula Lighter and more comfortable is VERY important.
Unlike the Department of the Army, no palms were greased in the making of these tests.
Of all the vice we got, briber simply ain't one of them.
@@samsonsoturian6013 Yes it is, it's just legalized and shoved under the umbrella of lobbying.
One of the more eery tests thats for sure. Thank the editor for the music lol
I remember getting these b4 deployment. Biggest thing i remember is the weight cut felt awesome as hell.
I was issued the IHIPS and I also have an ACH the weight difference is amazing. Im glad to see these helmets able to perform just aswell as the older helmets
As a retired Larp I can tell you all the shots are survivable if you had your PT belt on
This is true.
Very funny. That is one of the reasons that I believe now that a CSM is a waste of a great First Sgt.
And if the chin strap was secured😅
All you need is hydration
Drive home the fitness point in every video. It sounds lame but it really does help my motivation to get better. I'm boxing, hitting the gym, and hiking. I've been neglecting my shooting, but I'll get back out there soon.
As a former combat engineer i can say all of this would have been able to be avoided if they had a PT Belt on.
I was always confused when watching ballistic tests of the IHPS vs the ECH. I figured the shell construction would be roughly the same between the two helmets. I'm very curious as to why so many other peoples tests show massively more backface deformation on the IHPS, while yours shows nearly identical or better performance to the ECH. Great video, it's always awesome to see an additional data point.
I wonder if those performing the other tests were using legitimate IHIPS? I wonder if it's possible they may have used a knockoff? GT mentioned it several times as well that he was surprised based on other testing he had watched via video. I think it's a good question and worth looking into. Maybe these other channels who experienced substantially different results could revisit their tests, ensuring a genuine IHIPS as their test subject?
What I suspect is that Oxide tested the helmet without any padding on a roll of paper (Unlike the dummy skull in this video, which can provide some support to reduce the back face deformation)
@@dustinfrey3067 the first channel I'm thinking of that tested the IHPS and showed lesser performance vs the ECH was Oxide. I'm pretty sure he was using a legit IHPS, he has a pretty good track record with these tests. It's also interesting that in his ECH test it performed much better than in this test. All in all I think these tests were both really good, I just wonder what factors could have caused these differences.
@@chrisblack6258 I'll have to re-watch Oxides video. that certainly could cause the difference.
ACH
Hi, I was part of the project while producing these helmets for the army, at the time the company was owned by 3M. If the products we are putting out saves lives, then I am glad we made them.
What if we put a ERA panel on the helmet? Serious answers only.
....lol.
@@InsanoBinLooney Dude- this needs to happen.
I think Ceradyne is still owned by 3M, that is who made my rifle rated helmet. Did you have any experience with RF1 or RF2 helmets? If so how did the perform during testing?
@InsanoBinLooney probably instant death. They explode and since the helmet wouldn't have the same armor as a tank would have it would blow your head off probably. It's the reason why light armored vehicles have indentation craters from era going off.
@@some_Russian_dude just put another layer of ERA under it to protect from the explosion.
Something you should keep in mind is that the helmet gets weaker with each impact especially around the region where the last strike was. That resin cracks on impact and loses its structure which means increasingly more back-face deformation. When we first got issued kevlar helmets in the Canadian army in the 90's, they actually told us that if we dropped our helmet on the ground, it had to be exchanged for a new one. Obviously that's a bit extreme and people didn't exchange their helmet because they dropped it on the ground, but it highlights the concern for weakening resin with impact shock.
Bro has his traders maxed out
ACH was a huge improvement over PASGT where comfort is concerned. That webbing was only nice in the summer for airflow over the dome piece
I was Issued the IHPS on my deployment in 2020 and i can comfortably say it is far more comfortable then the ECH so if the ballistics are similar then i see it as a win.
Good luck.
first rifle round shot on the ACH was what my buddy took, hit the back of his helmet zipped around the curvature cutting his head open but he lived.
Awesome video! Subscribed!
I had an ACH for the entirety of my Army career thus far (11B) and it was never an issue for me. The weight never bothered me and I liked the way that it fit my head because I have a rather large cranium. I was issued the IHPS when I PCSd to fort Bragg after airborne School and I hate it. It's uncomfortable, it fits goofy, and the structural integrity of it during airborne operations was never fully tested as it should have been so we cannot remove any of the screws from the helmet even though we are supposed to jump them slick without nods mounts (psq42). Interesting helmet to say the least.
I looked like a dumbass with mine but also i was a medic in the guard so that should tell you all you need to know. But for real the helmet with all the padding made it look absolutely ridiculous on my skinny ass.
Im in the same boat brother (11B). I hate it. Over here in Hawaii I only wear it over my ACH because it's a little more comfortable with over the ear comms headsets.
I saw Oxide's test about a year ago, i went to RFI and they tried to give me a IHPS. I asked for a ECH, Luckily the dude issuing helmets was cool and gave me one. My PLS and some NCO's in my old unit didn't get a IHPS and just kept their A/ECH
@@ejtamir3133yo what do they have large ACHs for
really like the profile moniker
I too, am anti-communists
yeah in oxides video it performed terribly.
The ACH is significantly less effective than the ECH or IHPS
Dude I fucking love the military gear you wear every video you wear a good one
I was always told no helmet was made to stop a rifle round. They’re for shrapnel and pistol rounds at the most. That was back when we had the PASGT and the MICH was just starting to be issued
PASGT my beloved
Ahh yeah. We helmet posting this week.
lets gooooo
This video was very intersting to watch. Keepaking these awesome high quality videos!👍
Hi Garand ! Which brand is your vest from ? Thank's !
I’m pretty sure it’s been proven that fastening the chin straps adds plus 10 to damage resistance.
Two things: A. As long as bullets carry the flbs. of energy necessary to be lethal they will cause either death or significant injury to the helmet wearer. The kinetic energy of bullet alone would cause a serious concussion. B. If you want the best military helmet that can be made, require that both a senator from the appropriations committee as well as a board member from the manufacturer participate by wearing the helmet during these tests.
I'd probably rather have a concussion than y'know, have my brain bits be outside my skull.
Like obviously it's still very bad, but that's armor in general.
Not taking damage when getting shot? Too tall an order. Reduce odds of dying instantly by a good margin? Now that's reasonable
it's more about momentum than about kinetic energy. Ultralight ultrafast bullet will just vaporize on impact, despite probably having a lot of energy.
At that point of the perfect helmet what stops you from aiming lower and removing problems that way....
Used this very helmet down range in Afghanistan during my time at Fenty in 2019-2020. They looked pretty decent and a lot lighter than our normal ach. Wish they would’ve let us keep ‘em and switch out or ach.
My Father's WW2 Helmet The M1 , Same As Combat Sergent Vic Morrows . Uncle Tony Was In Anzio , They Used To Wash And Shave Using Those Helmets .
Great testing in a manner that combat helmets are not designed for! Those blows to the head survivability would be questionable! That’s why modern body armor plates are designed with different materials like ceramic, boron carbide, silicon carbide, etc.
it would be interesting if you could test the army's newly selected rifles/ammunition against some other common calibers in terms of armor penetration
I somehow have the feeling that this information is classified.
As far as i know it works similar as an 18-20" .308 but from much shorter barrel lenght. Which is beneficial if everyone gets an surpressor by default.
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@@uwesca6263I mean, the data on the round is available, and I think the ammo might be physically available to some degree?
And the rifle platform it isn't hard to make guesses on, since the exact same thing in .308 is on the market.
Plug the public ass data from these two things together and you could figure quite a bit.
If you got a helmet
I got the new M855A1 and the Mk-318 mod 1 ammo
Plus the Mk-262….
I would do a vid for you.
New units shred game changer on the BF for sure
I really enjoy these videos with the ballistic dummies.
If you could take some criticism on a key part of the test though.
Just like wimp wristing can cause a malfunction, these helmets were kinda wimped.
If you could attach the head and strapped the helmet on, then it would absorb more energy thus providing different results.
AK was stopped by oblique angle on me. Thankfully. No defemation but the saving piece was the nods mounts.
Late to this video, but helmet designer/maker here. There are ballistic bolts and screws, so there should be no worries if there are exposed bolt/screw heads if the right material and proper construction is used.
I was so pleased with the primary arms SLX 3x, that I replaced all of my Sig Romeo's. And I had gone standardized on Sig Romeo for short-range Optics. The SLX allows me to reach out a little further, and the stadia really help with Kentucky windage
Yeah, my local supermarket is no longer gonna be using plastic bags so I have to get a few of those damn reusable things.
The lighter design by itself is already a win. I'm assuming it was this new helmet, but my buds got issued new helmets through RFI and I couldn't believe how much lighter the new one was. A lot less sore necks lol.
Negligible difference. Replacing millions of helmets...again? Wow. U.S. taxpayers getting soaked.
@@SteffiReitsch the old ones probably doesnt get destroyed. The get shelved so as soon as someone else need a lot of helmets the US can provide them asap.
@@SteffiReitsch if the upgrade makes the soldiers more comfortable, thus increasing their battlefield performance, that's kind of the purpose of DOD upgrades.
@@SteffiReitsch you're right, we should save money and keep using M1 helmets and M1 Garands
Another example is uniforms. At least a hundred million blown on replacing the Armiy's green service uniform with blue, for no good reason. Trying to look like the civil war? Then, after a short time they've decided they don't like the blue and are changing to WWII brown! Another hundred million+ squandered. Navy, similar thing. Tons of money spent putting sailors in ridiculous infantry uniforms aboard ship- blueberry with white, so if they fall overboard they can't be seen? Then after a very short time and tons of millions blown, they ditched those blueberries for a forest green/black camouflage infantry uniform- for sailors aboard ship? LOL. Now after only a couple of years of that weirdness, the Navy is changing yet AGAIN! More millions. This time back to a blue dungaree style like the old days. OMG. Money to burn! Yeehaa.
It took me over a year to release he lives in the same town as me. Makes me happy to know that!
The video was decent and will like to see more videos like this ! I’m interested in more army videos
Proud to see the results as back in the day I ran production on this helmet and also used to wear the ECH in the Marknes. FYI ceradyne was bought by 3M who was bought by Avon who makes both.
Do you have any experience with their rifle rated helmets? I am curious how my helmet and other rifle rated ones did during testing.
3m bought by Avon... Lol.
@@thisismyname2936 Oh yeah that's right they did.
I trained and deployed with the IHPS as one of the Guinea pig units. I'm thankful I never had to find out if it would really save me or not.
You should put aiming marks in similar locations to ensure better consistency between the helmets. Perhaps even shoot a paper target to the side first with each weapon to again make shot placement more consistent and give repeatable results.
Asked my section commander in basic if my helmet would protect me from a round to the head, his response? “If it does you’ll have a broken neck to worry about”
Excellent.
Which is a BS answer because the reality is that it won't break your neck and most helmets won't protect against most small arms but they want people to have confidence in the equipment to avoid being fixed in combat. There are helmets that do stop rifle rounds at close range but they cost $3,000 so only SOF has them.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj mate a rifle round at close range will absolutely fracture your C-Spine. The energy transfer from round to helmet going on will send your head like a bobble head and your neck is turning into a pendulum. That’s actually a ridiculous statement. I agree with you saying they’re trying inspire confidence in your kit and equipment but to suggest your C-Spine would just be ok is ridiculous, it might not be a full break of the vertebrae but that’s definitely fracturing.
@@theenclave50 It wont break your neck, it's a myth. The only possible way it would be true is if everyone broke their neck every time they fired a single shot. A bullet doesn't gain momentum in flight, it loses it.
I would REALLY like to see you do a “review” of the NovaSteel helmet by Adept. Could be a very interesting curveball to throw it in the ring to look at steel again for helmets.
Also, their top of the line titanium plates could be interesting to test out, as I think their goal is to be future-proofed beyond current common penetrator rounds.
Novasteel must ring like a bell if you get hit 😆
I would agree with your final statement. I also watched Oxide's video and we have to figure that his methodology was to chuck the most powerful threat he could at it, right at the start. I think all things considered this kevlar is still a quality product. Troops lives will be saved by this equipment.
12:58 I've never seen someone be headshotted like this or even seen combat but when I was an engineer I had a sergeant who once told me the most visceral story about one of his battle buddies in Iraq who took a shot from a rifle through his helmet (probably a PASGT or early ACH) so close to him. That image took me aback just then, like wow, it looks so real.
whether or not the troops actually need to be in a position that these will be saving their lives is a different story. all wars are banker wars never forget
Oxide is an idiot. He doesn't even put a dummy head inside the helmet, which means there is no outward pressure coming from the inside of the helmet to aid in structuring. Even NIJ testing has this.
Love ur video u handsome FCK! but a m1 garand video suggestion. My m1 seems to load the first round w/out having to slap the charging handle when the top round is staggered to the driver (left) side. 10mill series 30.06 is my m1.
A Buddy of mine took a 7.62x39 round right above the lip of his ACH directly above his left eye and we had a good laugh about it after the area was secure. He was sitting there with blood on his face because the deformation cut his skin but the round was stuck in the ACH
GT: In today's episode of GT, we will vibe check this new helmet with various ammunition and fragmentation.
Micah: Where are the dummies?
GT:
Micah: WHERE ARE THE DUMMIES?!
If only...
Also would be cool if you guys also put up more graphics of more details such as other different things such as price points, weight, longevity, capabilities. Or just even simple pros v cons (dont have to go off for too long and make too long of a video) but could even just do a secondary video off the performance test if necessary! People are interested.
Nice video pal,
How about trying the DevTac Ronin full ballistic helmet facemask?
They say it can stop a .45 ACP
I was issued one of these during a recent deployment. Liked it a lot more than the regular ACH/MICH 2000.
Same. Understanding that helmets are not meant to be bulletproof (or even necessarily bullet resistant) and then taking into consideration how much lighter the IHPS is over the ACH, I was pleased with it. We all ditched the railsbecayse we weren't given the lights that are supposed to mount to them, and we used our Surefires and Streamlights instead. Other than that minor issue with supply, everyone I talked to about it liked them. It was definitely more comfortable over long periods than the ACH due to the lighter weight
I don't know how difficult it is to get multiple pieces of the same armor/gear, but I really wish you would have multiple helmets on hand, due to the helmets taking a great deal of damage throughout the video. I feel like each prior impact against each helmet muddies the tests with the application of prior moments of inflicted damage being involved with each trigger pull. Opinions you may be coming away with could be affected by damage that wasn't inflicted by only just one round.
Will you please do a test comparison between ops cores fast sf and Busch protective AMP-1TP helmets?
I had the very 1st Kevlar after steel pots. It really built your neck muscles up!
But they were still better than the pot. Only thing those were good for was cooking stew or sitting on.
@@ericstearns170 or shaving out of
@@hoosierpatriot2280 True, true..
I don't think they were that bad. The real issue was more that a PVS7 is heavy and counterweights weren't a thing back then.
Awesome topic. Congrats on 3 million subs.
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Where do you get all that combat gear you are wearing? Also where do you get that uniform?!?
"Today on Garand Thumb, Are we gonna be sad?" brilliant
You guys should test out some of the 'Adept' brand armor things. The 'NovaSteel' helmets/mandible and the 'Colossus' level IV+ are super neat, but they're expensive and seem... too good to be true to a certain extent.