Jim Cornette Reviews Dave Meltzer & Bryan Alvarez Arguing Over Toni Storm
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- From Episode 343 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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If this argument was in the Tokyo Dome it would be rated 8 stars
No itl be start of new rating limits 15* ,so he can give SPEEDY Kahn 14.5* for his next appearance
9 stars if Kenny spat on them
If the argument featured Kurt Angle, he would rate it 4.5 stars despite universal acclaim for being one of the best arguments of all time.
It would sell out
18 stars if Ospray chimed in
Now waiting on the inevitable "Cornette reviews Meltzer vs. Alvarez" omnibus.
We can only hope...and by december we should have at least 8 hours worth...might be a two parter.
Has to come out🔥🔥🔥🤣🤣
Oh god yes please.
best idea I have ever heard
we gonna laugh all day with that Omnibus 😂😂😂😂
Somebody needs to tell Dave they changed the meltzer driver to the Tony driver. He can stop kissing their butts now.
That checks still coming
@@christian6455 Jim Cornette is the learning tree. Dave Meltzer is the learning disability.
I'm convinced Tony and the Bucks go to Dave for booking advice and some of these ideas are his. It matches with his mental state being erratic
@@layersofjade5197 ah man
U can say asses....Ur a grown fucking adult!! Maybe not
A forty minute clip about a Dave and Brian argument ? That works for me, brother.
🎶 we don't need no, Chris Jericho🎶
🎶 we don't need no, AEW 🎶 ..
HEY! CORNETTE, LEAVE THE MARKS ALONE! 🎶 🎵 all in all marks are just bricks in the wall 🎶🎵
@@OmegaRedFanI think you got a bit too excited there if you wanna make a catchy parody song listen to the song you're parodying and write lyrics that sound similar to it. Otherwise you get what you just spit out which was jumbled up nonsense. Not having a dig just giving some constructive criticism. The first two lines were great.
Verse 2 OmegaRedFan
We Don’t Need Chris Jericho
We don’t need bad humour no
Sign NDAs in the locker room
Learning Tree bears fruits of doom
HEY JERICHODE
LEAVE KYLIE RAE ALONE
All in All, Tony’s snorting up 8 balls
All in All, the Bucks are Shitstains on the wall
My boss walked in on me watching this and told me to get back to work. I then shouted at him.
“IT’S NOT MY JOB!!!”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Chin up, tits out, and watch until ten fifteeeeen" 😂😂😂
Yeah right
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't you just love when you're about to leave UA-cam, and a wild Jim Cornette suddenly appears?
Can I catch him with a master ball?
@@jaybarnacles4846he will throw it back and tell you piss up a rope 😂
*Dave Meltzer uses Wrestling Analysis.*
It's not very effective.
They're so majestic in their natural habitat
The best
40 mins??? YEAH
I agree. Fewer 5 minute clips. More 30+ minute clips.
YEAHHH
No thanks
Yeah but how much is gonna be an ad read?
We're not worthy! Lol
Watching Dave tie himself in verbal knots is simultaneously fascinating and infuriating.
It’s the gift that keeps on giving
First Kenny, and now Alvarez is turning babyface. They’re fleeing the ship…
Like Rats deserting the sinking ship
Fools go down with the ship, smart people evacuate while there's still time. Bryan is looking smarter every week. Just hope Kenny's not working us.
@@asurlybarber3620Same, but I think Kenny wants that big blockbuster storyline against Ospreay about who is Meltzer's favourite.
It just now occurs to me how much Meltzer talks like Dustin Hoffman's Rainman character.
@@asurlybarber3620Kenny is a work
Dave’s cognitive ability is somewhere between a CTE riddled NFL player, and a newborn baby.
Its wild that this use to be a joke and now it's actually like he has early onset SOMETHING
He’s always been a spaz
That's common with most autistics, unfortunately.
Spaz is a nice word for it
He got CTE from watching neck bumps
The end is near. Omega turning face, Jim praising him, and now Alvarez is turning against Meltzer
Ive started investing in mre
Next thing you know, Hulk Hogan will stop lying and start telling the truth. I think that's the 6th sign of the apocalypse
@@RolaAddict Ric Flair leaves a modest tip, sober as a judge.
@@brendandenamadrai5353 He still elbow drops a jacket that just appeared out of nowhere, right?
The asteroid Apophis is coming in mid-April 2029.
That's why politics doesn't care, that's why the Corona pandemic
was a test run for crowd control, and that's why Bill Gates stole Dave Meltzer's mind.
Dave might be the first wrestling journalist with CTE
Dave is so up his own arse in the meta analysis of wrestling. He doesn’t understand that in Kayfabe your best wrestling match would be a one minute squash of an opponent. The best wrestler would not go 20 minutes with anyone. His own rating system of wrestling in a vacuum is blocking out Kayfabe sense
I bet he's so confused about how Bron Breakker is booked on Raw.
@@niranu78 “Bron didn’t show off 20 different flips and holds in a 30 minute classic, they are making him look weak” - Dave
That is the thing I have seen a lot of in AEW. They put what are supposed to be main eventers out there with absolute nobodies. Then those supposed stars have to take 15-20 minutes and barely win. That is beyond silly. In any other era it would be a squash, where if you kinda liked the underneath guy he would get the start of a hope spot, then done.
This is a great point and pretty similar to a thought I had while listening to this… Dave seems to be at the point where someone like Toni Storm, a world champion, having a heatless competitive 7 minute match with an inexperienced opponent is actually a great display of how good of a wrestler she is, because she can go that long with someone who’s green and make them look alright. Which is all good a fine, Toni is definitely a good hand, but the point is that it doesn’t make any booking sense when trying to build an angle for a championship match not even two weeks away with a different wrestler who’s known for being a technician and a badass.
It’s a microcosm of Dave and the IWC’s mark mentality, which is that they’re watching not for the angles, the stories or the personalities; they’re watching to see how many moves each wrestler can do in their choreographed routine and how long they can do it for. And that’s precisely why Dave blathers out the word “match” as often as he does… to him, the professional wrestling experience is sitting at home by himself in front of a television or computer and watching matches after they’ve originally aired, often without commentary he understands, and being impressed by how long the match went on and how many flashy suplexes were done, with bonus points awarded if the wrestlers actually look like wrestlers and if the crowd is large and excited about the event.
It’s such a soulless and pathetic way to enjoy wrestling, which is why it appeals so much to the type of people who don’t have a life outside of this shit… Dave and his followers have fully convinced themselves that their understanding of professional wrestling is superior to everyone else’s, and since they don’t have anything else, they can’t let it go.
@@jackieparmzI’ve been echoing the same sentiment for a while now and you’ve articulated it brilliantly. Well put.
Meltzer is now "old man shouts at cloud"
… Bryyyyaaaaaaan!
If literally everyone stopped watching the show, and literally no one came out to the events, and Tony Khan finally decided to just call it good and close up shop,
Dave Meltzer would still consider it to be the most flawless wrestling TV of all time. He is set in his mind and no amount of evidence or logic will ever change it.
Closer to Principal Skinner. "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children that are wrong."
The guy is cluless and I don't understand people still bringing him up.
Old man ummmmms at cloud.
I love how Travis depicts Jim's version of 3D as being the old coloured glasses! Though even that might be a bit modern for Jim...
Good grief you got Jim in the silent movie technology, lol
Didn't know the general audience from Jim Cornette's podcast were teenage kids who doesn't know about 3D bicolor glasses...
The anaglyph glasses are older than Jim
I rem those 3D glasses back 2 the late 70s- early 80s Great Times of Our Lives
How do you draw 3D glasses to be recognisable as 3D glasses without the colours?
Never go full Meltzer.
Simple Dave
@@YuriBobo this m-m-m-match m-m-m-m-made me ha-happy
@@arthurdaffos1490😂😂😂😂😂
16:49
Never take a sip of your drink while listening to Unca Dave is the REAL lesson here ...
Got me good! 😂😂😂😂
I give this comment 5 meltzers.
It really does sound like Dave is involved pretty heavily with the booking in AEW. He defends it like he's defending his own poorly thought-out work.
AEW is what Dave wants it to be so he can’t criticize it since it would be admitting his vision is wrong
“Well if it’s 3D” 😂 Corny has the best one liners
Only thing that woulda made the artwork better is if Uncle Dave was dressed like Teddy Roosevelt charging San Juan Hill.
Just when you think Meltzer has lost all credibility, he manges to drain the cesspool just a little more.
What? He isn't draining the cesspool lol.
Dave is a solid 1/2 star in 2024.
He's the drizzling shits.
NEGATIVE 5 STARS
No debate negative 5 stars lol
1 star if he's broadcasting from the Tokyo Dome.
Which is the same as no stars. So we're all in agreement
16:45 whatwhatwhatiswhatwhatiswhat 😂
The Just For Men got into Dave's brain and rebooted his brain in mid sentence
Okay, NO 😂
Oh man, I'm not familiar with this story, but I'm confident that the comedy stylings of Dave and Bryan just improved my commute exponentially 😅
Get out of hehe mark
They should review Bryan latest INSANE AEW rant, I never heard him shitting on it so much xD
Watch Bryan break the NDA and sue AEW next because the payments have stopped coming in.
I don't listen to the guy or follow him at all tbh but whenever i hear him talk about AEW it's more of him shìtting on them then not
The ship is sinking. Alvarez wants to make sure he's on a lifeboat, and I don't blame him.
He dont need a lifeboat, he has a golden boat, a boat made out of pure gold
@@romegrey2600the product sucks
Imagine your watching Avengers with Dave and all of a sudden, Thanos is switching between being the villain and the hero. Dave defends it with, "As long as the fight between the Avengers and Thanos is great, does it matter who is the hero or the villain?" tf kinda logic is that? lmfao
Uncle Dave would argue: "Well DC characters switch between heroes and villains all the time too."
@@markdawson7255 which is hilarious, considering in DC when people go from hero to villain, they usually stay villains
Thanos does switch when he explains why he did it and you see they are all shades of grey - that's part of the story. You missed that? 🤔
You can literally feel Dave glitching out.
The Brian "IT'S NOT MY JOB" Alverez face turn has been delightful
HE'S NOT A HEEL!!!
Bryan Alvarez's gobsmacked response of "Bronson Reed and Chad Gable??" made me spit out my drink 😂😂
Reed/Gable was back when both of them where potential IC title worthy competitors, both were Tweeners (neither face nor heel persay) like what Dave was failing to articulate in this clip. Tweeners can work... until they turn face/heel irrevocably.
Reed turned heel irrevocably doing the Endless Tsunami on Seth Rollins and R-Truth. Gable turned heel beating Sami Zayn's ass after he lost the IC title match in Sami's hometown in front of Sami's family.
They are heels, and get booed as they should. Versus most heels getting cheered in AEW bc of the mercurial booking that flip-flops a babyheel into a nuclear heat face
You have to genuinely start asking if Dave is in the booking Group Chat with Tony Khan.
If you had a show where 2 nameless guys in black trunks just did moves back and forth for an hour for absolutely no reason, Dave would say that's a "great show".
He LOVES to watch people play fight, with no context or rhyme or reason.
He has completely forgotten that the entire reason it's predetermined is to tell a story in order to keep people interested and paying to see the show.
Agreed and well said
Well put
Dude, you are watching wrestling and you are making fun of people liking to watch "play fight"? Seems like you have some internal shame in being a wrestling fan and you try to cope in some way
@@meciocio I think the point he's making is that without the story and the investment in the characters you really are just watching two people play fight.
@@AnneHathawayRules how would having a story change the fact that there are two people who "play fight"? lmao. It's like saying that if you remove the story elements from ballet then it's just "silly cringe dancing".
It just funny to me all the mental gymnastics some people do to justify themselves on watching and enjoying wrestling.
Meltzer: "Kenny Omega is not portraying a face or a heel"
Kenny Omega literally got jumped by the top heel group in his highly anticipated return promo
In his hometown
Dave Meltzer. Aew mental gymnastics champion.
Dave Meltzer in the title of a Jim Cornette video, oh boy loll 🍿🍿
"ShE's NoT a HeEl!"
-Dave Meltzer (in the tone of a 5 year old who was told no when they asked for ice cream.)
As soon as i saw this was 40 minutes i cleared my scheduled and told my kids to go away
Bryan’s checks must’ve got lost in the mail due to his honesty for AEW
Nah, he realized that as long as Dave praises them then he still gets paid.
This drops 20 minutes into my birthday.
Thank you, Corny. ☺
Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday bro
Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday
Happy bday! Hope you have a great year 🙏
Meltzer keeps falling deeper into the hole….while digging deeper in it😂😂
The main takeaway: just because fans are smarter to the business doesn't mean you abandon what works,, and making excuses for what isn't working helps no one.
Bronson Reed vs Gable was heel vs heel. One is just a bigger heel than the other. I must have missed the part where Bronson Reed was willing the fans on to get behind him and making comebacks and being the babyface in peril selling like Ricky Morton
Last night mega baby face, Reed did a promo basically saying I love to hurt people for moneyyyyyy, brrrrrother
Yeah. They are both heels. Gable is just a level above Reed and the crowd wanted him to lose.
Both heels, showing they're both threats to face Sami.
It was also like 2 minutes long when Sami interfered. HORRIBLE example by Dave.
this is gonna be a BANGER.
After BANGER
After burger 🍔
After BURGER. Wait wrong thread.
Who is going to be doing the Banging?
After Burger 🍔
Apparently the viewership for all of wrestling is down right, including podcasts, but the Cult is still growing!
40 mins? Yes, please!
Another thing that flies over Dave's head: why does Toni Storm need to 'show she can wrestle' before the PPV match?
It's not like she just debuted for the company and no one knows who she is or what she can do. She's been in AEW for over 2 years, is a 3x Women's Champion there and before her current gimmick, her whole gimmick for over a year and a half was basically "hot girl who can wrestle good".
Going 7 minutes with a nobody doesn't prove she can wrestle; if anything, it shows she's NOT good at wrestling, if it takes her that long to beat a nobody. Logically speaking, why would Deeb -- whose entire gimmick is that she's the best wrestler in the division -- even have to break a sweat to tie Toni into a pretzel and leave with the belt if Harley fucking Cameron was a competitive threat to Storm?
Whole time I’m waiting for “BRYANN!”
24:14
People love Hans Gruber in Die Hard, at no point does that make him a baby face though.
I thought him falling off nakatomi plaza was a work
@@Dale-jr7oj Actually, it was a shoot.
They dropped Alan Rickman before the countdown was complete, so as to get a genuine fear reaction in his face.
He was furious, apparently.
Tony treats Dave Meltzer's word like it's Gospel, so Dave feels like he has a personal responsibility to always protect AEW and Tony's feelings. Cause WWE doesn't give a fuck about him or his star ratings 😂
Kenny Omega, Bryan Alvarez, Cornette and Brian Last - the babyface stable that wrestling doesn't deserve but they're the babyface stable that wrestling needs
Kenny is working he's not being serious
@@Sky_BlazeFor what? A match with Dave?
I have listened to this clip and EMBARRASSING amount of times... I just keep coming back to it because it's so goddamn funny!😂
me too brother
Russo has a show on this exact Meltzer stuff that's good too
"The crowd is going to do what the crowd is going to do" ...well the crowd is not showing up or watching on TV so🤷♂️
Both Bryans are good guys now
Cornette dropping a line from Rush Hour wasn't on the bingo card but damn... bravo!
15:28
Brian Alvarez is finally talking about the things that others (including Jim and Brian) have been saying about AEW for a while. He mentioned how the storylines aren't making sense due to lack of clarity. More importantly, he's FINALLY acknowledging a lot of the AEW stars are in the same spot now as they were 5 years ago. His rant on AEW lately has been on the same level as his classic WCW 2000 and WWE 2019 rants.
Dave's first argument started with "Well, WWE"... Completely deflecting. Lol. His bias knows no bounds and it's insane he just doesn't admit it. Holy shit, he's supposed to be a reporter. Hilarious to watch his madness and bullshittery progress.
Dave Meltzer hurts my fkn brain. First time I ever heard him til now, it's like it's been one LONG, ETERNAL SPEECH.
Feet up, joint lit, ready to listen to Jim blast Dave Meltzer for 40 mins ☺️
Hell yeah, I'm about to smoke a big fat Janice!
Ha.
damn I'm doing the same thing
Smoking a bit fat bong toke myself, cheers
Just made a great guac, rolling my j as we speak. Cheers friends
Bout to drain this whole cartridge listening to Uncle Dave get shit on
I must watch this once a week at least 👌🏼👌🏼😂
Gotta love how Dave says "guess what?" like he's going to drop some sort of game changing truth bomb and then starts speaking nonsense. He does it every 2 minutes 😂
Dave's programming is breaking down here. "Does not compute, does not compute!!!".
I don't care who here's this, I LOVE Alvarez's commentary on any fucking wrestling
Meltzer truly has lost all credibility and sanity.
Dave meltzers stutter is 5 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I think Bully ray gave him 3.5 😂😂
Five st-st-st-st-stars
@@AnneHathawayRules 5 starts ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@@swishbenoit4489 😂😂😂
Would of been a 6 and half star stutter had it been in the Tokyo dome 😂
"The crotch lock leg strangle" 🤣🤣🤣 Cornette is pure gold.
The Guatemalan flying toe hold sent me over the edge. 🤣🤣🤣
@@joolsmacgrools1288 🤣🤣
My night just went from boring to HELL YES!!!!!
Sherlock Meltz and Alvarass arguing is always top notch entertainment 😂😂😂
I'm a simple man, I see "Jim Cornette Reviews Dave Meltzer & Bryan Alvarez Arguing" and the video being over 30 minutes, I click like lol
Alvarez & Meltzer: arguing over the basic details of heel face dynamics for almost 30 minutes.
Cornette & Last: arguing over whether a character was a ventriloquist dummy for about a minute or two
I love this show 😂😂😂
I agree with Jim & Brian almost 100% on women's wrestling but I'm as entertained by Timeless Toni Storm as much as I am by any wrestler ever. Her character is tremendous. Her in ring work is solid and her mic work is top notch.
*AEW has made it a bit hokey with the black and white graphic that looks like a filter you get on a free app tho
I agree, her gimmick is one of the better ones I've seen anywhere in a while.
Meltzer saying "Guess what?" all the time is unbelievably condescending and arrogant like he's the only person smart enough to understand things
Drew is a TWEENER!
Toni is a HEEL!
Dave is on the AEW payroll!
Dave is also trying to prove he was right but people showed him no one cares about the Indy style he likes
Drew is a heel if I've ever seen one lol, he's just a heel who doesn't see himself as one
@BBoy4040 Drew is being portrayed as a tweeter. He recently had beef with Damian Priest too. But I'm not here to argue. Muting you, and have a nice day.
Uk time 11pm and just got this perfect!!!
Meltzer says "Guess what" and "you know" over and over like a 6 year old. I don't know ANY adults who say, "Guess what?" OVER AND OVER.
I like how “it works for that crowd” is a phrase you hear from Dave now and he’ll say the matches had nothing wrong with them because of that, and yet he’d rate ultimate warrior really low despite the popularity he had with the audience
Statler and Waldorf are finally going on one on one? 😂😂
With the amount Dave is stuttering I would have thought he was mushmouth from Fat Albert😂😂😂
Meltzer sounded for all the world like he was defending a payday. Like he knew Khan was going to hear this and either sign the check or not depending on what was said. And thus this full-throated defense of nonsense.
Another point to make here is that Dave is hyper-fixated on crowd reactions in AEW while ignoring that there are people who also watch the show at home who are probably confused about who to invest interest in because the booking is incredibly inconsistent and it’s not clear who’s supposed to be rooted for.
I just noticed f4w online has a video about how nothing has changed in 5 years of aew 😂.
The Meltzer VS Alvarez angle is more interesting than anything going on in AEW right now
DEAR DAVE MELTZLER, RETIRE FROM COVERING PRO-WRESTLING. EVERYONE HAS TO RETIRE AT SONE POINT, YOUR TIME IS NOW YOUR TIME HAS PASSED SIR DAVE
Fun drinking game, take a shot for every time Dave says "Had a great match"
Dave has believed his own bs on combat tumbling for so long now, he can't backtrack. He deserves his face
I put this on to listen to without paying any attention to the thumbnail, and the moment Cornette made the comment about Meltzer being in 3D, I immediately looked to see because I was positive that would be the artwork. 😂
Ive been waiting for this!! Thank You Brian and Corny!!!
*edit* Please also Review Brian Alvarez's review of Collision yesterday 5/20. He went OFF about aew. I think Alvarez is in a way seeing the light.
Meltzer "I think about business"
We're just gonna let that slide, are we? 😅 This from someone who prefers a 7 star "work rate" match in front of 150 people to Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania.
Part of the problem, one of many, with Dave Meltzer's argument, is his premise that Toni Storm vs. Harley Cameron was a "very good" match. Except it wasn't.
It wasn't a bad match, but it wasn't very good either.
It was a fine match. It wasn't offensive to the eyes, it was enjoyable enough on its own merits, but you couldn't / wouldn't reasonably call it a good wrestling match either.
It's not even supposed to be competitive. Toni is the champ. Let Harley Cameron have a competitive match with a Ruby SoHo, or a Kris Statlander. You make your champion look weak when underneath, underdeveloped talent have a "competitive match" with a champ.
I have a long drive for work tomorrow and I cannot wait to listen to this.
I’ll save this for my shift tomorrow
"Let's hear what Dave has to stutter" made me shoot LOL
What did lol do to you? He was just standing there FFS. You should be arrested.
@@arostwocents Hahaha. Took me a minute.
A GOOD booker "controls" the crowd; not the other way around
Dave is to the point where he has to straight up lie to defend aew
16:48-16:54 "Nooooooooooooooooo ...okay, whaddip-what-whaddip whats what what's this other thing at Toni Storm? What's the other thing at Toni Storm?". I'm sorry ... WHAT?!?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Proof we're living in a simulation: Meltzer glitched out! 😂😂😂
@@dawa7267 Dave is DEFINITELY living in his own simulation, and the head programmer has taken one too many Meltzer drivers. 🤣
Am I crazy or does Dave sound like he perpetually has a mouthful of peanut butter?
Dave's reaction is a combination of a few things:
1. Having legions of smarky, indie-riffic dweebs praise every single thing he's ever said, so he can't handle the slightest bit of counterpoint.
2. Meltzer is absolutely on the AEW payroll and we'll only find that out after either they stop paying him or the company folds.
When Meltzer brought up Bronson Reed and Chad Gable you knew he was far in over his head. Gable is getting a heel push, but honestly who gives a single shit what Bronson Reed is doing right now? Is he a champion of anything? Does he have a title match coming up? Is he getting a push?
Good god Meltzer should be used for ad campaigns for dementia awareness.
It was a heel vs heel match…neither was presented as a babyface “based on the situation.” The next week Gable was still a heel and so was Reed
I haven't seen such loyalty since Korea!!!!!
She was presented as a deer caught in the headlights last week... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Glad Alvarez is taking Uncle Dave to task too.
“Dave Meltzer is compromised.”
-Kendrick Lamar
Cause Dave's a 69 God!
FREAKY ASS MARK@@sylvesterstanton7488
wrestlers or dave saying “at least they had a good match” is literally a participation award
Geez, I feel like episode 343 is going to be a big one. There's at least 2 hours of material on UA-cam.
PS the "Bryyyyyyaaaaaan" is pure gold. Endless chance to work it into the podcast by Jim.80