Because they're a genuine threat to the rich and the establishment if they get more power. There's going to be a lot of people not able to vote Labour but don't want Tories back...
@pt4005 The UK would have to commit to joining the euro. Euro adoption isn't required on the first day of EU membership. The convergence criteria must be met... There is no timeline specified to reach the convergence criteria. Poland has been an EU member since 2004 and are under commitment to join the euro currency. They have yet to fulfil the convergence criteria.
The last guy who talked was right when he said that talking to people of various EU Embassies and the EU Embassador that they where laughing when he said that the UK wanted to rejoin.They clearly said that the EU doesn't want the UK back because it's too much headache...😂😂
The EU will only accept us back if we have a mega rejoin majority like 75% and on a strict probationary basis with Schengen, the euro etc, no ‘special’ deals like pre-2016
@@scottlenharth4200 how is basic maths economics?! If the remain vote had won by 52/48, I would expect this to have been taken as advisory as it was intended.
@@actuallypaulstanley It was never an advisory referendum. The government spent millions sending out leaflets to every household clearly stating that whatever the result, Remain or Leave that that result would be implemented.
@@scottlenharth4200 Which was very dodgy as there was no definition of what Brexit would actually mean, as shown by right wingers still disagreeing on what should have happened and if we've had a 'proper' brexit.
@@keithpanton7486 It clearly stated on the leaflet that "Leave" would mean leaving all of the EU institutions. Including the single market and customs union. Whilst I agree I didn't go onto the finite details. It clearly stated the aforementioned. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s irrelevant what anyone proposes. The EU won’t entertain membership unless all major parties are agreed and the vast majority of its citizens are in favour. None of theses bars can be met
But all major parties across all EU member states aren't necessarily fond of EU membership are they? The general British population are more in favour of the EU than pre 2016. The tories and reform view of the EU can't be transferred to the general population.
@@rayc9539irrelevant, they are already members. Were not going to let a skeptic country back in and potentially have to go through Brexit again down the line.
@@RazorMouthA referendum with a 60-70% vote in favour of rejoining may well work in the future. And the EU should make it that for any country to leave the EU it requires 55 or 60% of voters to vote for that.
@@heyoa7714 No it wasn´t. EU said it welcomes Scotland´s application if it leaves UK in a legal way with support from its population. But UK, then a member "persuaded" Scotland to stay claiming they would be out of EU ( a possible veto from UK). 2 years later UK dragged Scotland out of EU.
goto you tube. type- *"andrew neil clashes with andrew wilson SNP"* -watch several times.. the penny will (eventually drop..) -then repost back.. over and out!
I would vote for them - we been going backwards since we left. No-one and I mean no-one has ever given me on single benefit of leaving the EU. Another referendum where the majority of voters will no longer be old gullible xenophobic pensioners is needed.
@eddiecalderone the benefit of the nazis was less competitive housing in Germany post war and better airplane designs...but people just "can't see them as benefits"
The lunacy of Brexiter must be reversed as soon and as much possible for the future of the UK. But Brexiters have caused so much distrust in Europe toward the UK that it will take years to reverse even on a small scale. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't hold out much hope.
You are right. And don't forget you must reduce the debt to GDP ratio from101% to 55% to be allowed to join. That alone will take 15 years if you are ambitious, and in a shrinking economy t will be even harder.
For more than half century, the UK has been tiptoeing over the concept of a the European common market. What makes you think a come back will be received with open arms and without serious doubts about the country's commitments?
The EU hates the Swiss situation and would never offer anything similar, it's not an option anyway because the relationship between the two is the result of multiple treaties over the last 50 years
They’ve already put out a rejoin policy about a couple of years ago now..!?! They are just waiting for competent leadership, they already know the nut jobs took over..
You don’t get to decide if the UK would be allowed to rejoin the EU, it should be noted that the EU has said on many occasions that the UK will always be welcomed to join again, the EU has a policy of new members and a policy for rejoining the union. Also the UK has a population of 70 million, that’s a market that the EU would want back.
Steve's entire argument is "they don't want us back", not that "it's been a success", or "British people don't want to go back in"? He's admitting that it's damaging by not singing it's success!
My gambit paid off with check-mate in this dimension by showing the only major party in Westminster that will take Scotland back into the European Union is the SNP. Not only that it was the first phone-in question following the announcement of the General Election to expose the fact that none of the unionist parties will have rejoining in their manifestos.
UK rejoining is inevitable. The only question is when it happens. The longer the UK is out the worse it is for the UK and the EU. The EU aims and values are to "promote peace, its values and the well-being of its citizens. offer freedom, security and justice without internal borders, while also taking appropriate measures at its external borders to regulate asylum and immigration and prevent and combat crime. establish an internal market.". These would all be aided by the UK rejoining. Blocking the UK rejoining would be working against the EU aims and values.
@ralphmacchiato3761 , only real issue is debt and that is mostly for adopting the Euro . And as quite a few EU countries (Belgium, France, Greece, Italy and Spain are all worse than the UK) don't meet the debt requirements either I doubt it would be a major stumbling block.. Basic accession criteria > political criteria: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities; > economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces; > administrative and institutional capacity to effectively implement the acquis and not sure anyone could claim that the UK doesn't already comply with the basic criteria
@@katywalker8322 Your locig is stunning. All those countries are old members. UK as a possible candidate country has not that option anymore. It is a non negotiable criteria to join EU. 50% (or close to that) of GDP is the benchmark.
yeah we seen the open borders nightmare every week. no thanks. interpol fixes the crime- the NCA extradites ppl from anywhere , don't need to be in the EU it is partially a market, mainly a political union. albania and north Macedonia are eu inbound- they can take off where the UK left
The solution to a countries problems is always another layer of politicians see London Major, Welsh assembly etc So sure politicians want more high paying non jobs for them!
@lesleywillis6177 it was advisory. All referendums, per the British constitution, are advisory. Hence why a Scottish independence referendum in 1979, which yielded 51.6% in favour of independence, was ignored, and Scotland is very much part of the UK.
@@br5380 because the UK is so much larger than Norway in terms of markets size, we wouldn't be able to do that. That aside, if we joined the single market, we'd have accept all their rules an would have no say in them.
@@Human_Herbivore Besides the Norwegians said: No! You stiffed them when being an EFTA member when jumping ship for the EU. They know that you can not be trusted. Actions have consequences, you know...
"The decision to leave the single market was taken by the British people" The british people voted to NOT be an EU MEMBER. It is possible to be in the single market whilst not being an EU member. This is seen with the EEA option (e.g. Norway). Hence why this option was proposed to us during negotiations because it would have satisfied the outcome - EU member? No. Close relationship with the EU? Yes. Stop assuming all lesve voters wanted to abandon the single market. That was never put to us. Turns out leave voters (including Farage) would've welcomed the EEA arrangement since we wouldn't be part of the poltical union which is the EU. EU is a political union with the objective of being an ever closer union to achieve peace amongst member states. The single market is a single regulatory economic zone underpinned by the four freedoms. They are entirely different things!
EFTA makes absolutely no sense for the UK. It makes sense for Norway and Iceland due to their enormous fishing industries. But the UK would be in the EU with no say at the table, that makes no sense for an economy like the UK.
@@RazorMouth I know that EEA members have greater control over their fishing and agricultural legislation. Given the importance of the single market to the UK, it made no sense to abandon it either...
@@RazorMouth but you have to think about the type of brexit. Brexit was open to many different interpretations. It was the tories that wanted to get out of the single market and customs union and EU relates schemes such as erasmus. That was their choice, not the electorate.
Brexit was remain or leave. Brexit was never defined in writing in the run up to the referendum. The Norway option requires accepting ECJ oversight, Regulatory Alignment, substantial financial contribution etc. It is as close to full membership as can be. What happens to Brexit Sovereignty. The truth is so far as Britain is concerned we are either fully in or out. Joining would require accepting the Euro amongst other things. Britain must suffer the Brexit consequences for years to come. Britain must seek benefits elsewhere and they will be very hard to find. There is no more cake. That is the price of Brexit sovereignty.
Too bad it´s the two who take turns controlling the parliament in Westminster that matters. Get rid of your archaic FPTP voting system is first on the list to do to give smaller parties a chance to influence politics in UK in the same way they do in EU countries.
The LibDems will not have that in their manifesto. The Green Party of England will at best only have four MPs. Plaid Cymru are likely to have around the same number & both latter parties did not have a representative on the panel. That is why I asked a question that I already knew the answer.
Why would the EU want them back? The UK was always the most messy member, never signed up for the Euro, Schengen, social charter, etc. ..... I say don't let them back in unless they're IN. 1. Join the Euro. 2. Join Schengen, 3. Adopt social charter. Otherwise, stay out.
I voted Leave. I was wrong.. I'm sure not the only one. To say the British people have spoken and that's the end of it. Doesn't help Britain. British are now 3rd country citizens with so many less rights.
@@abbofun9022 There is no joining the single market without some degree of free movement, EFTA members all have access to the free market without being members of the EU.
@@sarfaraz.hosseini true but EFTA is closed for UK, only leaves full membership route open. If UK thinks they can negotiate a Swiss like deal they are delusional.
@@abbofun9022 Maroš Šefčovič on behalf of the EU already offered Free Market Access for Free Movement. A Labour government will likely do small deals on alignment for access now, eventually aiming to rejoining the single market in a future parliament. This is not an exact Swiss deal.
@@sarfaraz.hosseini And where did he do that? Since that would be completely against all the rules of EU and not in the articles of the Treaty of EU and the Treaty of EEA. This is UK´s only way into the single market if it does not want to join EU. Neither the EU, nor its current 27 member States, are members of EFTA. After Brexit, the UK, not being a member of EFTA, and not anymore an EU member, could not be an EEA member and could not be a candidate to become one. Article 126 EEA states that the Agreement shall apply to the territories which the Treaty establishing the EEC (today the EU) is applied and to the territories of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein and the Kingdom of Norway . These three States are members of EFTA and, in accordance with articles 108 of the EEA Agreement, have established the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Both these institutions are only competent for these three States. Their role is to ensure the fulfillment by the EEA EFTA States of their obligations under the EEA Agreement. They are not competent for Switzerland, despite this country being a member of EFTA. Procedurally, in order to become a member of the EEA the UK would first have to present its candidacy and negotiate and conclude an accession agreement to become an EFTA member according to article 56 of the Convention establishing the EFTA. This is because the EEA cannot apply to non EU member States, with the exception of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, precisely because they are members of EFTA according to article 126 of the EEA. Thus, the UK will have to negotiate an accession treaty to EFTA with the four members of this organisation: Switzerland and the three EEA EFTA members. Once becoming an EFTA member, the UK will then have to negotiate an EEA accession treaty with the 31 entities which are members of the EEA: the EU, its 27 member States and the three EEA EFTA members. The Parties could agree to proceed to both negotiations at the same time. But since both norway and iceland rejects UK joining EFTA the option above is purely hypothetical.
Starmer needs to align with the EU 🇪🇺 first but we will not joining anytime soon. Veterinary agreement Europol defense are quite easy to do because the EU want them
I would seriously consider voting for any party that would start the process of applying to get back into Europe and righting the biggest error we ever made in leaving.
Britain will never join if it's just the aim of one party of the two main parties and just a 52% for it will never do. But some day it will happen. Right now I suggest you try finally to reform your political two party systen with the one party governments and fptp.
Agree with Steve Baker, against all odds, except on his solution to the Irish border and what he pretends he could have gotten. That obviously ain't true but part of the self-aggrandizing Hard Man of Brexit nonsense. The national interests of 27 countries do not change because of Steve Baker's fantasy solutions that nobody else had the brains invent or the backbone to demand.
That these people always argue that the people voted for it. The politicians who wanted to stay had at least told the truth, that it wouldn't make everything better and it would make things more complicated. Those who wanted out just told big lies. I find it strange that this was even allowed.
At least the guy is honest to Englanders saying that rejoining is not possible. Brits need to admit they effed up big time and then actually work to implement the steps necessary to ‘joining.’ Your mindset needs a complete ‘180’ first. The world sees it will take decades for England to ‘join.’ Why can’t England?
The EU is going to reform itself too. Within the EU, they may allow different speeds through giving the member states greater freedom to opt out certain areas of EU laws. As a result, that may be more appealing for the UK to rejoin the EU.
@@fcassmann I guess, we need to reform the EU first. No veto rights for a single county which can block reforms than a unified army. If more old Brits a died out we can start with accession talks or they 🇪🇺
@@trident6547Money talks and the member countries know that a larger EU is more powerful. Preparing the UK to easily rejoin in the future works for all, especially with the euro
@andrew300169 we will never go back and brexit is fine. Things need to improve yes but that doesnt mean we need to go back to the eu. People need to stop crying and get on with it.
@@michaelhelbrow7906 It feels odd to have to explain this to an adult, but re-stating a policy does not count as naming a tangible benefit of said policy. In what way is the EU "corrupt", by the way?
Not if they have any ambition to win anything. I want us to be back the EU but we are a couple of decades away from that because nobody wants to go through that again any time soon
Imagine not wanting your elected government to have autonomy and be subservient of a bureaucratic Ponzi scheme. I bet when you're out for a meal your missus orders your meal. 🤣🤡
How on earth is Labour going to bring down waiting lists when it takes years to train new Doctors and the self harm lunacy of Brexit and hatred of foreigners exclude hiring outside our shores
The SNP clown hypocrisy. They want out of a political union with our next door neighbours with 50 plus MPs in a parliament 650. To join a political union with corrupt unaccountable UNELECTED commission ruling it thousands of miles away speaking different languages with 6 or so MSPs in a parliament of 850 ?????🙈😂😂😂😂Si much for their claim to wanting independence!!!😂😂😂
@@RealMash I'm not sure if you're saying that setting such a referendum percentage, or otherwise, is covered in the criteria, or whether you're saying that we can't just walk back in whenever we want (which of course the UK cannot do, but negotiation will be possible).
@@DABmonger Do you understand that joining EU is not a negotiating process anymore. It is all about the candidate country implementing all EU acquis ( laws, agreements etc) split up in six clusters with 35 chapters in its legislation. On what issues is the candidate country not allowed to negotiate? Adoption of the EU Acquis, establishment of administrative structures towards implementation, compliance with the Copenhagen political criteria and Copenhagen economic criteria cannot be negotiated. On what issues is the candidate country allowed to negotiate? The candidate country is allowed to negotiate on when and how the adoption of the EU Acquis will take place. In exceptional cases, transition phases, temporary derogations and requests of additional assistance can also be included into negotiations. There are no negotiations about opt-outs or rebates because there are no such anymore for anyone.
@@trident6547If you think that negotiation isn't possible, then you are very naive. Rules can be changed, and a new tier of membership can even be introduced.
Baker 'messed' the bed and is proud of it. He accepts that his vision of Brexit was never possible but insisted on the act of self harm regardless.
WHY weren't the Greens invited on the show? They've been making so much progress, but this is constantly ignored in the media.
😂😂😂😂
Because they're a genuine threat to the rich and the establishment if they get more power.
There's going to be a lot of people not able to vote Labour but don't want Tories back...
My suport for any party to rejain the European union
May I turn your attention to the Greens?
might aswell vote for outer mongolian party- your grandchildren wont see it
It’s so arrogant thinking the EU wants the UK back 😂
Exactly
If I was the EU I'd tell us to do one!
Exactly and the uk will never go back. Imagine losing the £
Single Market is on but it will cost us.
@pt4005 The UK would have to commit to joining the euro. Euro adoption isn't required on the first day of EU membership. The convergence criteria must be met... There is no timeline specified to reach the convergence criteria.
Poland has been an EU member since 2004 and are under commitment to join the euro currency. They have yet to fulfil the convergence criteria.
@@rayc9539 There is an "obligation" but the EU can't exactly do anything to enforce said obligation, proven for example by Czechia
We can’t “rejoin”. We could apply to join if all political parties agree and we meet the Copenhagen criteria which we don’t. We shouldn’t have left
No one on earth can meet any criteria set by Denmark 😂
@@HELLO-b1p no one exacts the danish imposition
Of course we can rejoin and of course we shouldn’t have left
@@missizaskunNo!
Out means out.
🇪🇺🇳🇱
but we did.. and voted correctly..
every year outside the EU, the uk signs deals and treaties which further it from the EU.
€+Schengen. Or forget it.
No more 🍒👌
Schengen? Excellent! The Euro? OK, not a problem.
The last guy who talked was right when he said that talking to people of various EU Embassies and the EU Embassador that they where laughing when he said that the UK wanted to rejoin.They clearly said that the EU doesn't want the UK back because it's too much headache...😂😂
Steve baker is a disgrace of a politician. A neoliberal liar that is as right wing as they come. Don’t believe anything he says.
or maybe he just misunderstood the statement, we don't want YOU back....
The EU will only accept us back if we have a mega rejoin majority like 75% and on a strict probationary basis with Schengen, the euro etc, no ‘special’ deals like pre-2016
A 52/48 vote is not clear vote for anything. A majority? Yes., but not a clear vote for leave.
Would you still be bitter had we voted to remain in the EU by a similar margin, would you still be of the same opinion on another referendum?
@@scottlenharth4200 how is basic maths economics?!
If the remain vote had won by 52/48, I would expect this to have been taken as advisory as it was intended.
@@actuallypaulstanley
It was never an advisory referendum.
The government spent millions sending out leaflets to every household clearly stating that whatever the result, Remain or Leave that that result would be implemented.
@@scottlenharth4200 Which was very dodgy as there was no definition of what Brexit would actually mean, as shown by right wingers still disagreeing on what should have happened and if we've had a 'proper' brexit.
@@keithpanton7486
It clearly stated on the leaflet that "Leave" would mean leaving all of the EU institutions. Including the single market and customs union.
Whilst I agree I didn't go onto the finite details. It clearly stated the aforementioned. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s irrelevant what anyone proposes. The EU won’t entertain membership unless all major parties are agreed and the vast majority of its citizens are in favour. None of theses bars can be met
met at the moment.
But all major parties across all EU member states aren't necessarily fond of EU membership are they?
The general British population are more in favour of the EU than pre 2016. The tories and reform view of the EU can't be transferred to the general population.
@@rayc9539irrelevant, they are already members.
Were not going to let a skeptic country back in and potentially have to go through Brexit again down the line.
@@RazorMouthA referendum with a 60-70% vote in favour of rejoining may well work in the future. And the EU should make it that for any country to leave the EU it requires 55 or 60% of voters to vote for that.
The EU will want more than that. We would be required to adopt the Euro to prevent another Tory Brexit raising its head again.
Given that Scotland and Northern Ireland both voted remain, Scotland should have the same arrangement with the European Union as Northren Ireland.
The only time British politics was subject to constitutional chaos was after the Brexit referendum. 😂
EU would welcome an independent Scotland back in
Shame the EU was against their independence in 2014 and then the U.K left
@@heyoa7714 Because England lied
@@heyoa7714 No it wasn´t. EU said it welcomes Scotland´s application if it leaves UK in a legal way with support from its population. But UK, then a member "persuaded" Scotland to stay claiming they would be out of EU ( a possible veto from UK). 2 years later UK dragged Scotland out of EU.
goto you tube.
type-
*"andrew neil clashes with andrew wilson SNP"*
-watch several times..
the penny will (eventually drop..)
-then repost back..
over and out!
you tube=
"andrew neil clashes with andrew wilson snp"
then post back your arguement
The UK should start thinking on what they think they have to offer the EU, actually it is surprisingly little.
Some commitment, cooperation and solidarity for starters would greatly be appreciated!
I think 52% versus 48% isn’t exactly what I would call crystal clear
We will need to show a lot of contrition to persuade them to let us rejoin but it would be worth it.
Steve Baker accepting that gradually the UK is going to subject to EU law with no say in its creation
They dont need EU membership to start reversing poverty and renationalising water for a start.
True!
Funny thing is if you speak to Europeans, they want out of the EU. Strange that?
I would vote for them - we been going backwards since we left. No-one and I mean no-one has ever given me on single benefit of leaving the EU. Another referendum where the majority of voters will no longer be old gullible xenophobic pensioners is needed.
My business is doing quite well. I lost an eu competitor…
We did a million times but you don’t see them as benefits
@@pt4005whats the name of your company?
@eddiecalderone the benefit of the nazis was less competitive housing in Germany post war and better airplane designs...but people just "can't see them as benefits"
@@pt4005 no reply?
The lunacy of Brexiter must be reversed as soon and as much possible for the future of the UK. But Brexiters have caused so much distrust in Europe toward the UK that it will take years to reverse even on a small scale. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't hold out much hope.
You are right. And don't forget you must reduce the debt to GDP ratio from101% to 55% to be allowed to join.
That alone will take 15 years if you are ambitious, and in a shrinking economy t will be even harder.
dont worry!- uk piffling economy is tiny compared to EU inbound albania and north macedonia..
youve had 8 years to upstix eu 27.. why u still in UK?
So, you're going to leave when there's a Labour government.
For more than half century, the UK has been tiptoeing over the concept of a the European common market. What makes you think a come back will be received with open arms and without serious doubts about the country's commitments?
bcos albania and north macedonia will take up the UK place- they are inbound, so its all joy!
It’s not a European common market. It’s an Empire building enterprise that uses the threat of removing trade in order to further its aims!
Where are the arguments for brexit. Honestly LBC you are so biased!
No. The referendum will be the same. So will any Scottish referendum.
But Annaliese, being in a democracy means we can change our minds.
Switzerland, Norway, even Russia is where you want to be.
The EU is on a collision course with reality.
The real question, is, given the ridiculous amount of effort the EU has put into Brexit, would they want us back?
No 👍
@@Anri6547 Seconded.
Zero self-awareness. The prodigal son is oblivious that he's even prodigal and a long way from home.
Steve Baker... " I would've seized the moral highground"
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It's up to the EU and the EU aren't interested.... That's the problem.
Really? They said that?
@@ne-ht4zx Of course they didn't, its just another of the dishonest tactics the pro brexit camp rely on to try to avoid the inevitable.
Not sure if you are right.... I think the EU miss us as much as we miss them !
@@annettehadley9718 Nope... Most of the money fleeing London has gone into other European capitals. The EU are doing just fine without us.
@@ne-ht4zx It takes all 27 states to agree to it... The largest stock exchange in Europe is now based in Paris not London. Enjoy the managed decline.
Lots of big words from the hard man of brexit. It seems you do need them more then they need you after all.
UK to EU: you guys took that leave thing seriously?
Now that you mention it we’ll take what Switzerland is having.
Switzerland type deal is out from the table, EU would not agree with it at all.
The EU hates the Swiss situation and would never offer anything similar, it's not an option anyway because the relationship between the two is the result of multiple treaties over the last 50 years
You’re grasping at straws. You have to come to terms you’re out for decades.
@@JohnnyinMN yea, thats the joke. 🤷🏻♂️
The EU is trying to get rid of all the small treaties with Switzerland.
Even if you guys wanted to go back to the EU they wouldnt take you anyway.
And why would they?
They would
Russia, probably.
They’ve already put out a rejoin policy about a couple of years ago now..!?! They are just waiting for competent leadership, they already know the nut jobs took over..
The bigger problem is, that that the UK needs bipartisan support for rejoining the EU, otherwise it makes no sense for the EU to even think about it.
You don’t get to decide if the UK would be allowed to rejoin the EU, it should be noted that the EU has said on many occasions that the UK will always be welcomed to join again, the EU has a policy of new members and a policy for rejoining the union. Also the UK has a population of 70 million, that’s a market that the EU would want back.
Steve's entire argument is "they don't want us back", not that "it's been a success", or "British people don't want to go back in"? He's admitting that it's damaging by not singing it's success!
I always thought the Scots were doing some 4D chess stuff, but this caller proved otherwise.
Draughts with half the pieces missing?
My gambit paid off with check-mate in this dimension by showing the only major party in Westminster that will take Scotland back into the European Union is the SNP.
Not only that it was the first phone-in question following the announcement of the General Election to expose the fact that none of the unionist parties will have rejoining in their manifestos.
@@alanwatterson2850 Just as the SNP Scottish Governments have balanced their budgets with less than half powers.
Poor old ian 😂 and baker saying they wouldnt want us back 😂
UK rejoining is inevitable. The only question is when it happens. The longer the UK is out the worse it is for the UK and the EU.
The EU aims and values are to "promote peace, its values and the well-being of its citizens. offer freedom, security and justice without internal borders, while also taking appropriate measures at its external borders to regulate asylum and immigration and prevent and combat crime. establish an internal market.". These would all be aided by the UK rejoining. Blocking the UK rejoining would be working against the EU aims and values.
@ralphmacchiato3761 , only real issue is debt and that is mostly for adopting the Euro . And as quite a few EU countries (Belgium, France, Greece, Italy and Spain are all worse than the UK) don't meet the debt requirements either I doubt it would be a major stumbling block..
Basic accession criteria
> political criteria: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
> economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces;
> administrative and institutional capacity to effectively implement the acquis
and not sure anyone could claim that the UK doesn't already comply with the basic criteria
@@katywalker8322 Your locig is stunning. All those countries are old members. UK as a possible candidate country has not that option anymore. It is a non negotiable criteria to join EU. 50% (or close to that) of GDP is the benchmark.
@@trident6547 , and exactly where is that ratio specified? Yh is a requirement for a limit on spending limits, but that is not a hard limit
yeah we seen the open borders nightmare every week.
no thanks.
interpol fixes the crime- the NCA extradites ppl from anywhere , don't need to be in the EU
it is partially a market, mainly a political union.
albania and north Macedonia are eu inbound- they can take off where the UK left
Snp and Greens
Is SNP still a thing?
Alistair Campbell needs to realise if he wants anything for Scotland he needs to support a Scottish registered party.
I think you mean Alistair Carmichael
The solution to a countries problems is always another layer of politicians see London Major, Welsh assembly etc So sure politicians want more high paying non jobs for them!
Why would any right thinking British voter, want to rejoin the 🇪🇺. Get real 17.5 million voted to leave. Stop spinning the yarn.
YES
Nope no thanks
Perhaps the 2030 manifestos should include a commitment to a binding in/out referendum…
We’ve already had one!
@@lesleywillis6177it was never binding.
@@rayc9539 seems pretty binding to me!
@lesleywillis6177 it was advisory. All referendums, per the British constitution, are advisory.
Hence why a Scottish independence referendum in 1979, which yielded 51.6% in favour of independence, was ignored, and Scotland is very much part of the UK.
Maybe let the younger generation decide as you older lot messed it all up since Tony blair
There is no real way to rejoin the single market without rejoining the EU.
That idea is just cakeism.
Norway says otherwise.
@@br5380 because the UK is so much larger than Norway in terms of markets size, we wouldn't be able to do that.
That aside, if we joined the single market, we'd have accept all their rules an would have no say in them.
@@Human_Herbivore Besides the Norwegians said: No!
You stiffed them when being an EFTA member when jumping ship for the EU.
They know that you can not be trusted. Actions have consequences, you know...
@@RealMash I voted remain.
If it is the majority view why will none of the main parties use it in their manifesto,
If the eu is so great ,why are ,5,2 million of its citizens not going home?
bcos eu unemployment is shocking and wages are low, with few prospects
"The decision to leave the single market was taken by the British people"
The british people voted to NOT be an EU MEMBER. It is possible to be in the single market whilst not being an EU member. This is seen with the EEA option (e.g. Norway). Hence why this option was proposed to us during negotiations because it would have satisfied the outcome - EU member? No. Close relationship with the EU? Yes.
Stop assuming all lesve voters wanted to abandon the single market. That was never put to us. Turns out leave voters (including Farage) would've welcomed the EEA arrangement since we wouldn't be part of the poltical union which is the EU. EU is a political union with the objective of being an ever closer union to achieve peace amongst member states. The single market is a single regulatory economic zone underpinned by the four freedoms. They are entirely different things!
EFTA makes absolutely no sense for the UK.
It makes sense for Norway and Iceland due to their enormous fishing industries.
But the UK would be in the EU with no say at the table, that makes no sense for an economy like the UK.
@@RazorMouth I know that EEA members have greater control over their fishing and agricultural legislation.
Given the importance of the single market to the UK, it made no sense to abandon it either...
@@rayc9539 Brexit makes no sense sure. Not for the UK economy anyway.
@@RazorMouth but you have to think about the type of brexit. Brexit was open to many different interpretations. It was the tories that wanted to get out of the single market and customs union and EU relates schemes such as erasmus. That was their choice, not the electorate.
Brexit was remain or leave. Brexit was never defined in writing in the run up to the referendum.
The Norway option requires accepting ECJ oversight, Regulatory Alignment, substantial financial contribution etc. It is as close to full membership as can be. What happens to Brexit Sovereignty.
The truth is so far as Britain is concerned we are either fully in or out.
Joining would require accepting the Euro amongst other things.
Britain must suffer the Brexit consequences for years to come.
Britain must seek benefits elsewhere and they will be very hard to find.
There is no more cake. That is the price of Brexit sovereignty.
Well, the greens, lib dems, SNP all want to. As does Plaid C.
So that's most parties
Too bad it´s the two who take turns controlling the parliament in Westminster that matters. Get rid of your archaic FPTP voting system is first on the list to do to give smaller parties a chance to influence politics in UK in the same way they do in EU countries.
The LibDems will not have that in their manifesto. The Green Party of England will at best only have four MPs. Plaid Cymru are likely to have around the same number & both latter parties did not have a representative on the panel. That is why I asked a question that I already knew the answer.
Please don't!
The EU doesn't want you guys back.
Keep the EU a UK-FREE ZONE. 😮🇬🇧❌
We don’t want to join. These are deluded individuals.
We need back in, no matter how much of our pride we have to swallow. If it's Euro or no go, I'd accept that
Fulfill Copenhagen Criteria, reduce debt to GDP to 55% from 101%. That will take you at least 15 years.
Then apply.
I thought that debt reduction was part of the convergence criteria for euro adoption?
No, don’t want it, don’t need it! End of!!
There was a referendum to leave in 2016, but there was also a referendum to join in the 70s (i think). What referendum weighs more?
Why would the EU want them back? The UK was always the most messy member, never signed up for the Euro, Schengen, social charter, etc. ..... I say don't let them back in unless they're IN. 1. Join the Euro. 2. Join Schengen, 3. Adopt social charter. Otherwise, stay out.
that will never happen. croatia eu inbound 1st jan this year- food went up 20% almost next day.
Joining the euro takes time as it requires meeting the convergence criteria. The EU doesn't mandate using the euro from the first day of membership.
LBC keeps interrupting the Lib Dems but not the SNP.
....because Alistair Carmichael was prevaricating & Richard Thompson gave a direct unequivocal answer.
Waste of time you're not going to get back in - too much trouble
I voted Leave. I was wrong.. I'm sure not the only one. To say the British people have spoken and that's the end of it. Doesn't help Britain. British are now 3rd country citizens with so many less rights.
We need PR to get irresponsible tories muffled.
srtaight talker, full of BS.
I dont think the eu will take yous back
Also she keeps saying British people. It's the UK
Okey-dokey, poppet: ‘Ukayish’ people it is then. Or do prefer ‘Unitedkingdomish’ folk?
The UK is dead. It’s called ‘England’ now.
A process of closer alignment leading to eventually rejoining the single market is more realistic over the next decade.
There’s no joining the single market without full EU membership.
@@abbofun9022 There is no joining the single market without some degree of free movement, EFTA members all have access to the free market without being members of the EU.
@@sarfaraz.hosseini true but EFTA is closed for UK, only leaves full membership route open. If UK thinks they can negotiate a Swiss like deal they are delusional.
@@abbofun9022 Maroš Šefčovič on behalf of the EU already offered Free Market Access for Free Movement. A Labour government will likely do small deals on alignment for access now, eventually aiming to rejoining the single market in a future parliament. This is not an exact Swiss deal.
@@sarfaraz.hosseini And where did he do that? Since that would be completely against all the rules of EU and not in the articles of the Treaty of EU and the Treaty of EEA.
This is UK´s only way into the single market if it does not want to join EU.
Neither the EU, nor its current 27 member States, are members of EFTA. After Brexit, the UK, not being a member of EFTA, and not anymore an EU member, could not be an EEA member and could not be a candidate to become one.
Article 126 EEA states that the Agreement shall apply to the territories which the Treaty establishing the EEC (today the EU) is applied and to the territories of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein and the Kingdom of Norway . These three States are members of EFTA and, in accordance with articles 108 of the EEA Agreement, have established the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Both these institutions are only competent for these three States. Their role is to ensure the fulfillment by the EEA EFTA States of their obligations under the EEA Agreement. They are not competent for Switzerland, despite this country being a member of EFTA.
Procedurally, in order to become a member of the EEA the UK would first have to present its candidacy and negotiate and conclude an accession agreement to become an EFTA member according to article 56 of the Convention establishing the EFTA. This is because the EEA cannot apply to non EU member States, with the exception of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, precisely because they are members of EFTA according to article 126 of the EEA. Thus, the UK will have to negotiate an accession treaty to EFTA with the four members of this organisation: Switzerland and the three EEA EFTA members.
Once becoming an EFTA member, the UK will then have to negotiate an EEA accession treaty with the 31 entities which are members of the EEA: the EU, its 27 member States and the three EEA EFTA members. The Parties could agree to proceed to both negotiations at the same time.
But since both norway and iceland rejects UK joining EFTA the option above is purely hypothetical.
The later you join the less power you have, seeing as that was always a problem, it's not going to happen
Can you explain why
🤣 apart from anything else, these people seem to think if we did rejoin, it will be on the same or even better terms than when we left. 😆
Starmer needs to align with the EU 🇪🇺 first but we will not joining anytime soon. Veterinary agreement Europol defense are quite easy to do because the EU want them
After the British blocking the development of an EU army I would not be so sure about defense.
@@RealMash "but! but! but! -its just a trading bloc!' nothing about army and EU primacy! but but but!
the eu has already said no Veterinary agreement or Europol defense agreement
@@aukebij3193 source
the people have spoken 😂😂. now fate of uk is sealed
Vote reform
I would seriously consider voting for any party that would start the process of applying to get back into Europe and righting the biggest error we ever made in leaving.
best if you upstix EU 27.. its not hard, i did in 87 , no job, no degree, no money, no speaky forrin.. lived 18 years there.
Britain will never join if it's just the aim of one party of the two main parties and just a 52% for it will never do. But some day it will happen. Right now I suggest you try finally to reform your political two party systen with the one party governments and fptp.
No way the can be admitted again
Agree with Steve Baker, against all odds, except on his solution to the Irish border and what he pretends he could have gotten. That obviously ain't true but part of the self-aggrandizing Hard Man of Brexit nonsense. The national interests of 27 countries do not change because of Steve Baker's fantasy solutions that nobody else had the brains invent or the backbone to demand.
Yes we should get back asap
That these people always argue that the people voted for it.
The politicians who wanted to stay had at least told the truth, that it wouldn't make everything better and it would make things more complicated.
Those who wanted out just told big lies.
I find it strange that this was even allowed.
By the time you’ll decide to rejoin there will be no EU anymore
Labour need to pass proportional representation within 100-days.
Build 1.5 million social homes, owned and managed by councils.
At least the guy is honest to Englanders saying that rejoining is not possible.
Brits need to admit they effed up big time and then actually work to implement the steps necessary to ‘joining.’ Your mindset needs a complete ‘180’ first.
The world sees it will take decades for England to ‘join.’ Why can’t England?
It's almost laughable that anyone thinks the U.K can rejoin the single market but not be a EU member!? Are you having a laugh?
Shouldn't have exited maybe...
We need freedom of movement! Living in Europe is a nightmare now for brits who left after Brexit.
Why would the EU want us back? What's in it for them?
The EU is going to reform itself too. Within the EU, they may allow different speeds through giving the member states greater freedom to opt out certain areas of EU laws. As a result, that may be more appealing for the UK to rejoin the EU.
No it is not. That would just bring the opposite result than what is wanted. You are building sandcastles.
Get the Tories out first, then push for rejoin
Why not just try to go back in?
We don't need you.
Bye bye Brexit la la land.
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@@fcassmann I guess, we need to reform the EU first. No veto rights for a single county which can block reforms than a unified army. If more old Brits a died out we can start with accession talks or they 🇪🇺
@@MrOliver1444 NO, we can't. Fulfill Copenhagen Criteria and work through Article 49.
If you are through, you can apply.
Cause you CAN'T "just try to go back".
We will rejoin quickly in all but name with various treaties.
In your dreams. EU does not want another Switzerland. You really need to go to the homepage of the EU commission to read what UK needs to do to join.
@@trident6547Money talks and the member countries know that a larger EU is more powerful. Preparing the UK to easily rejoin in the future works for all, especially with the euro
Hang on it was a lot of Labour voters who voted in Brexit
No one voted to leave the single market...
gb energy is just a middleman for private investment. dont make it sound like some kind of nationalisation.
Labour don’t want my vote.
No cos they cant. We left move on and get over it.
Never, is a miserable failure as we said it would be.
@andrew300169 we will never go back and brexit is fine. Things need to improve yes but that doesnt mean we need to go back to the eu. People need to stop crying and get on with it.
@@michaelhelbrow7906 Can you name a single tangible benefit of it?
@maxwild1212 yeah we are out of the currupt eu. Now stop crying and get on with it.
@@michaelhelbrow7906 It feels odd to have to explain this to an adult, but re-stating a policy does not count as naming a tangible benefit of said policy.
In what way is the EU "corrupt", by the way?
I am suffering from shock, all these Scptish voices, are you guys O.K.??
Not if they have any ambition to win anything. I want us to be back the EU but we are a couple of decades away from that because nobody wants to go through that again any time soon
Imagine not wanting your elected government to have autonomy and be subservient of a bureaucratic Ponzi scheme.
I bet when you're out for a meal your missus orders your meal. 🤣🤡
@@scottlenharth4200 l bet when you're literally in any situation, you don't understand what's going on 😆🤡
@@scottlenharth4200 I bet you don't understand what's going on in literally any situation 😆😆🤡
@@scottlenharth4200 Do you have any particular evidence for this claim that the EU is a "Ponzi scheme", or is it more just a feeling you have?
How on earth is Labour going to bring down waiting lists when it takes years to train new Doctors and the self harm lunacy of Brexit and hatred of foreigners exclude hiring outside our shores
baloney! visas exist.
stop lying
labour is not up for rejoining the eu so there must me an alternative..
The SNP clown hypocrisy. They want out of a political union with our next door neighbours with 50 plus MPs in a parliament 650.
To join a political union with corrupt unaccountable UNELECTED commission ruling it thousands of miles away speaking different languages with 6 or so MSPs in a parliament of 850 ?????🙈😂😂😂😂Si much for their claim to wanting independence!!!😂😂😂
Why? It worked well for Czechoslovakia. They did split but they are together in the EU.
And you've learned NOTHING since 2016 have you...
Reminder, Sunak had to ask the King to dissolve Parliament - when did we vote for a King?
OMG! They speak different languages! Classic little englander
Rejoin EU Party
We go back in when at least 65% want to, or if decades have already passed then it could be set at a lower %.
Nope, read Copenhagen criteria.
@@RealMashWould you like to explain exactly?
@@RealMash I'm not sure if you're saying that setting such a referendum percentage, or otherwise, is covered in the criteria, or whether you're saying that we can't just walk back in whenever we want (which of course the UK cannot do, but negotiation will be possible).
@@DABmonger Do you understand that joining EU is not a negotiating process anymore. It is all about the candidate country implementing all EU acquis ( laws, agreements etc) split up in six clusters with 35 chapters in its legislation.
On what issues is the candidate country not allowed to negotiate?
Adoption of the EU Acquis, establishment of administrative structures towards implementation, compliance with the Copenhagen political criteria and Copenhagen economic criteria cannot be negotiated.
On what issues is the candidate country allowed to negotiate?
The candidate country is allowed to negotiate on when and how the adoption of the EU Acquis will take place. In exceptional cases, transition phases, temporary derogations and requests of additional assistance can also be included into negotiations.
There are no negotiations about opt-outs or rebates because there are no such anymore for anyone.
@@trident6547If you think that negotiation isn't possible, then you are very naive. Rules can be changed, and a new tier of membership can even be introduced.
Ahhh yes the SNP the party who want to be independent also want to be governed by the EU
Only the gullible still believe that in 2024.
@ralphmacchiato3761 their comment or mine?
Its not the willof the majority of the population at all
The UK would have to pay an entrance fee of £50 billion to rejoin the EU. But Spain and France might veto it.
Greece wants the marbles back ;-)
£50bn is cheap based on the economy losing 4% (of £3T).