The EU has invited the UK back in. Should we accept? | LBC debate
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2023
- EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has offered the UK a route back into Europe to 'fix' Brexit. With public opinion warming on the idea, Iain Dale's Cross Question panel debates the proposal.
The Cross Question panel from left to right: Jim Shannon (DUP MP), Martha Gill (columnist), Iain Dale (LBC host), Stella Creasy (Labour MP), Guto Harri (Boris Johnson's former comms chief).
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The EU did not 'invite the UK back'. UvdL expressed her personal opinion and stated Brexit was a mistake that future generations would have to fix. That's all, folks.
Fine. No such overwhelming desire to rejoin
We LOVE the UK where it is, that IS OUT.
We are fed up of selfishness, rebates and aloofness.
@@inigoromon1937
Splendid…..
Small difference anyway, meaning coming generation.
I strongly doubt that a majority of EU states want UK back in.
And no, honey: single market is part of a bigger paket, like free movement of labour.
@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage
Exactly, thank you but no thank you.
A little reminder that economic prosperity is not possible without security. The eu has no cohesion to protect anything, never mind the single market if the proverbial hits the fan… NATO does
Crazy to think Napoleon would go through all that effort to keep British goods off the continent when all he needed was to hold a referendum and they'd do it to themselves voluntarily.
brilliant I never thought about it.
Um the EU signed a tariff free comprehensive trade deal with Britain
👏👏👏 touché 👏👏👏
Your government has a policy of open borders for all imports to prevent food shortages and further food price inflation and hence a huge loss of revenue to the tune of billions every year, with no end in sight.
@@chrisj9700with non-tariff barriers 😂😢 !
"We didn't get the brexit we were promised"? Did that guy really believe all that horseshit in the first place?
no, he was looking forward to a land border being re imposed on the island of ireland....so he ignored everybody who told him what would happen, now his party is throwing a 2 year long tantrum.
Read a book….
He didn’t get the Brexit he was promised but he sure as s**t got the Brexit he deserved.
The problem is people listened to promises from people like Farage who were in no position to have to deliver anything or ever be held to account so could promise anything
I presume you are talking about a DUP guy here.
The people who say: "this is not the brexit I voted for" never succeed in telling us, what IS the brexit they voted for and how it would be better than the Brexit we have.
If there is a single lesson to be taken from Brexit it is thus; both sides were competence vacuums, our own political class are as venal and incompetent as their continental counterparts.
It's a great opportunity to rebuild in the interest of the wider country rather than the self serving elites who govern it. It's easier to do that here than attempt to reform the unreformable
@cosmos237 Naive nonsense. If anything it has opened the UK population up to unfettered abuse by the ruling class. We're in a race to the bottom!
@@cosmos237The "both sides" argument doesn't work. The British media were constantly pushing the lies that Europe needed Britain more than the UK needed the EU, and that the EU were unreliable liars who hated the UK and were trying to tear it down. Despite this, the EU allowed delays in applying many regulations that were a consequence of BREXIT, while the UK never adequately prepared.
When we left the EU we had the opportunity to deregulate and cut taxes on fuels and energy which would of caused a surge of new buisness opportunities and given new life to British manufacturing. We had the opportunity to rebuild the countries fishing industry. Instead we got a sell out half way house that has given us very little. It hasn't however caused any of the recent economic pain all western countries have faced.
@@ricardosmythe2548 Can I ask why you think the Tory party who were led by Boris Johnson, one of the most pro Brexit politicians, with a cabinet packed with pro Brexit campaigners, a party purged of almost every significant pro remain MP and a massive parliamentary majority meaning he could essentially pass whatever legislation he wanted for the majority of the post Brexit time we have had….. suddenly elected NOT to do any of those things?
It's so cute to see the brunette lady say that we could surely get the same membership deal again.
British exceptionalism never falters.
Schengen and euro or else. ✌️
The EU wants kosovo and Ukraine , they have Estonia ,Latvia ,Lithuania , portugal , Greece ,Slovenia, Croatia, etc etc etc .......
Of course they want a country equal to France and Germany .
Imbecile
Agreed. It will be full membership excluding the opt outs or an associate status of some kind without any voting rights or influence on decision making and with less Eu funding for deprived areas which we used to have.
@@globalist1990 I think we can do what other countries have done, which is have a general commitment to eventually join euro.
A wink and a nod that both sides know we’re not actually going to do
@@freddysw if you pay for the privilege, sure, why not?
“This is the brexit I voted for.” I hear this from time to time and my response is always the same, it’s the brexit I voted against. People who voted leave contributed to the greatest single harm done to this country in my lifetime. It was an act of utter madness based on ignorance/simplistic thinking
How ?
The problem is that sociodivisionist isolationists fail to recognize the benefits of being within a familial group of nations until their civilization starts to disintegrate around their naivety. The Tory party is - as are the Republicans - intrinsically sociodivisive.
@@alim3611educate yourself and look around
What harm. Please name one
@@alim3611look around you how is happening.
Companies leaving our shores
Fishers going out of business
Exports going down and getting more expensive
Imports more expensive or stopped
Staff shortages everywhere especially manual labour
Yes inflation is in that but our economy is much worse than other countries are much much worse
The ego is mightier than the sword. Just ask any brexiteer.
I cant imagine where the pen sits in their pecking order.
The brain is miniscule ask any resident of Remoantardia 🙄
@@cosmos237😂😂😂😂 2 thirds.... 😂😂😂😂
Lost the argument 😂😂😂
@@cosmos237At least we are now a fully sovereign nation with full control of our laws and Borders. I mentioned this to my wife after her company moved to Hungary because of operating costs and she lost her job. Told her the upside is now you can do more house work. 😊
@@stephenjon3502 always look for the positives. Cleaning jobs are plentiful anyway...
I am not convinced the EU has asked us back and secondly the terms we would get would be inferior to what we had !
Exactly. The UK can forget about keeping the pound.
You can smell the entiltlement and delusion.
That' because the EU hasn't "asked" the UK back. It's just a personal opinion of a politician. EU has no practice of inviting anyone. EU isn't into red carpet thingies.
UK is farther down the line(yes there is a line) then Ukraine and Ukraine looks at about a decade even if the stars align for it.
We would like you back, to our conditions, not to your ancient conditions.
There will be no invitation. In truth EU were glad to see you go. 45yrs of whinging. Goodbye.
THE EU HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT INVITED YOU BACK IN ! The U.K. could not rejoin the European Union without the full agreement of all the other member states. If even one vetoes the UK's application, and at the moment four states have publicly expressed opposition, then you stay out. You voted to leave and we don't want you back until or unless you are prepared to fully embrace the European Ideal.
Exactly! Infuriating listening to this arrogant panel, we don’t want them back!
@@paula5440
It's like listening to a group of bald men fighting over a comb 😢
Thàts false, its in the news paper. The head of the EU said the UK should come back.
Which member states might those be if I may ask
We don't want your future islamic County back@@jaydowg1914
Jim Shannon defends Brexit then lists a load of downsides for his area! Sums up the complete madness that Brexit has become.
dup just see it as a means of forcing a hard british border in ireland. its backfired spectacularly
Isn't he the fella that said 'grey squirrels are the Hamas of the squirrel world'?
Poor ole Jim was never the sharpest knife
The DUP were properly mugged and if wee Jim is their cream as an MP, I can see how they were so easily duped. He is as sharp as a bag full of marbles.
Jim isn't very clever
Straight away, we are talking about our special requirements and exceptions, just for us. All it takes is one of the 27 countries to say no, and why would they allow a new member in who wants better terms than the existing members. Spoiler alert, you wouldn’t.
I’m not so sure, the leaders of the eu like everyone else realise that there are severe challenges approaching for everyone in the coming future and a GB as a part of Europe, as a committed partner, strengthens the EU. The Brits just need to put the crazies back into the hole they crawled out off and ask to return, simple.
Pun intended
Romania and Poland specifically. How ironic. 🤣
You wouldn't be a committed partner for one thing, as demonstrated by your request for exceptions. Plus any number of other existing member countries could/would object asking for the same special deal as the UK in order to secure their vote.
There is no pressure or even interest from the public within the EU to bring the UK back in. The rest of the EU has moved on. Yes, the EU commission would like to see it one day, but they play a long game and want all of the European countries within the EU, one day. @@cristosl
@@chrisashton9218 I am aware of the difficulties, I'm not dismissing the points you raise. But it will not be nations like Poland or Romania who will decide the issue it will be Germany and France, yes those other nations will protest yes they can and will obstruct as they see it in their national interest and yes hard and complex negotiations will need to be held. And as you've rightly pointed out the goal is a united Europe because without it Europe faces a long slow descent into irrelevance. Things seem impossible until they're not
Easy way for Greece to get the Elgin Marbles back.
The irish DUP guy contradicted himself 5 times in the span of 3 minutes
A DUP politician contradicting himself 5 times in 3 mins? No, that can't be true… /s
He's just thick
The DUP are typically used to saying No! (And little else.)
Normal 😂
lol the DUP guy upset he was duped
I suggest British ppl try to read/ watch news when it comes to EU from other countries. Uk news always suggests EU wants UK back , but the EU do not care about UK . EU never tried to stop UK leaving either. UK became laughing object in Europe. There's been an interview between EU member and UK politician not so long ago and even then EU member expressed that they don't care if UK come back or not .
The thing about that is that it punishes remainers while most leavers are very happy not to be invited back.
@@Lifelongloser See? You're out and you're glad. You're out and the EU's glad. Everybody's happy. Only difference is, their happiness is justified.
@@Lifelongloser They are not punishing anyone, they no longer take British concerns to mind. Why bother spending energy on what to do with a former member that has already left when you are working for 450 million other Europeans and are working on active negotiations for accession for Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and North Macedonia and in the early stages with Bosnia and Herzegovina and Georgia. When the UK wants to join that list and reopen the debate they will knock at the door, the EU politician until that time will spend 5 minutes of his year think about the UK. Remainer or Brexiteer, it is irrelevant to the EU
Im a graphic designer, I have six clients that import and export, all say brexit has damaged their business. I'm yet to hear one positive comment about Brexit in over 7 years from them.
I love the comment on Brexit 'I didn't inhale'.
Wow so your six clients overturn over half the countries disdain of the EU, why don't we get those six clients to arrange all our affairs. 😅
I used to import and export from/to the EU and beyond, the EU killed my business exports to the EU via regulations that benefitted large corporations but punished bespoke exporters. In the end, it was cheaper to send products to the other side of the world than the EU. The EU was designed to serve corporations, not the people or small business & still do.
@@johnmurphy9550 what did you export and what was your company name. Id like you to specify the product that you sold and point out the country or countries that were easier to export to. All the companies I deal with now say it is harder to export than before - so you really aren't convincing me at all.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 put simply - yes- I have many friends in Advertising that say the same - so a definite yes. If you don't think there has been a change for the worse, your just in denial.
@@markshirley01 Yes I'm sure your "friends" in advertising are more in touch with world economics than Cambridge University Economics, and the IMF itself.
It seems your only evidence the economy is doing worse is from hearsay from pro EU shills.
The Northern Ireland politician spoke glowingly about how his constituents voted for overwhelmingly for Brexit. His reasoning was that they should have the right to fish as much as they want, and didn't like Brussels sticking their nose into their affairs. This guy, who looks like his 80ish, wants to fish until the seas are depleted of any life. Live now, don't care about tomorrow. These are the fools, people who are of another age, filled with racial animus who pushed for Brexit. Now, the UK is paying the price of leaving the largest economic block in the world. At least Ireland remains in the EU.
You are right pal, they voted because of hate in their hearts
Never forget that the DUP saw Brexit as a way to destroy the Belfast Agreement. Forget all the wittering on about fish, all they ever wanted was the NI/ROI border safely back in place. He may look like a fairly jolly grandfather, underneath that mask though...
Northern Ireland voted to remain in EU.
@@gerardodwyer5908tell the DUP that.😊
If the seas are devoid of fish it's Europe and China you can blame, not the few British fishermen. What a fool.
I still, seven and a half years later, find it astonishing that people were taken in by the deceitful and unfeasible "promises" of the Leave campaign.
Eager to don the jackboots already? Believe it or not; not all of us voted leave based on the bs spouted.
I voted leave for my own reasons and I'd do it again.
@@The_Phoenix_SagaWhat were your reasons? But know that if your answer is that you don't need to say, you immediately lose the debate
@The_Phoenix_Saga OK. You may be a lawer who has made a fortune out of this, you maybe a Russian oligarch who has achieved the aim of separating the UK from the EU. Apart from that, I can't think of anybody who would be happy with BREXIT.
@@The_Phoenix_Sagayou'd vote to make us poorer again, well done you.
@@markshirley01 Psh, we've been poor ever since the 30s and the dropping of the gold standard. Europe hasn't fared any either since their "Euro" is based on the same fiscal debt we took up.
You'd vote to have us take on 27 other country's debt again. Well done you.
Ian Dale admitting that he was high on Brexit? Now waiting for him to apologise and actively start undoing damage he was a part in causing.
Don't hold your breath...😒😒😒😒
I don’t like his voice
He thought there was a cherry picking Brexit.....and the EU said....No..😂
So, explain this 'damage' Brexit has caused? I've asked this question many times and none of you EUfanboys ever gets back. I know why of course.
Surprise me with an answer.
As if.
Dale is an utter muppet
Jim Shannon is a fine example of Irish political unionism. Out of date, out of touch and thick as champ.
A lot of Europeans were glad to get rid of the Brits. If they want to return, it will have to be as joiners and not rejoiners, a bit like the West Balkan countries. They will need to satisfy all EU criteria, with no special status, and all EU national parliaments will have to say yes. And to make sure they mean it, and are not just playing the game of "I leave, I return again", they will have to join the Eurozone.
In fact, I personally would not allow the UK full membership again until AFTER they had adopted the euro and acceded to Schengen FIRST. This time, show us you MEAN it. Or don't bother knocking in the first place.
As an American living within a ‘state’, I have no sympathy for the UK. The lady’s comments are soooo smug. It’s difficult to watch. I don’t know if I’d want them back? Too much hassle.
I am a UK citizen. I realise that British people aren't actually interested in the political and social aspects of the EU. Most people are, however, in favour of the single market. The electorate voted to terminate EU membership. However, the tories also terminated our single market participation. That has been the contentious factor.
Although I would prefer to be an EU member, I understand that the rest of the country wouldn't be in favour. As an alternative, I would hope we seek EFTA/EEA membership and join Norway and the rest of the EEA members. Yes I do know what EEA membership entails - no involvement in major decision making, not being subject to the European Court of Justice but having more autonomy over our agricultural and fishery legislation. I think this would be the most rational and legitimate route to regain single market participation. I wouldn't say that all leave voters wanted to abandon the single market, anyway. All leave voters had their individual reason for voting leave. One thing I can be sure of is that they all did not want to be part of a political union anymore (the EU).
Quite right I tend to agree with your point EFTA/EEA membership at most no paying billions into the coffers to fund the corrupt gangsters that run Ukraine and Moldova thank you very much. @@rayc9539
@@rayc9539 But your second proposal would also not be acceptable to the same people who voted for Brexit. What they want is a kind of special deal: ALL the benefits of the EU, with NONE of the drawbacks. And that is kind of what Boris Johnson and his lot promised would happen: no more contribution for the UK to the EU, but still all the tax exemptions on trade, transport etc. And thát is the "Brexit that they voted for", delusional as it is.
Why the EU would open any negotiation fro the UK to rejoin, when the UK didn't actually respect half of what was sign during the divorce process? What kind of trust do you expect the EU has to British politicians? Why would they think the UK would keep their word and do what was sign, without trying to renegotiate everything every morning? The probability to not get a UK application vetoed by someone starting from France, is extremely low, IMO.
Which is something which isn't actually discussed by anyone: what the EU could get from accepting the UK back in, apart from Farage type of politician sitting in the EU parliament?
Won't happen in Farage lifetime, nor in any brexiter politician lifetime actually.
I’m a proud Brexit voter. Comments like yours fill my heart with joy! Even if we did look like returning there are enough of us to cause such a commotion that the EU would black ball us. Fabulous.
@lesleywillis6177 'proud brexiters' are declining... you are actually a minority. You don't have as much substance as you think.
The most contentious issue is the single market. The UK being outside of the single market (because of the tories) has invoked major economic damage for us. Being part of the single market was not stated on the ballot paper. The ballot paper specifically asked about EU membership.
Your ignorance and arrogance is what is bringing this country down.
The idea that the UK can rejoin with the same deal as before is sheer fantasy. The EU should insist that the UK joins the Euro, Schengen and be 100% in. No special deals, no favours.
No thanks
i'm a remainer and i'm all for britain becoming an eu member again as soon as possible... nevertheless, i'm also aware that the tory governments since 2010 have misused our ancient (ancient = not fit for purpose) political system for there own ends, brexit being an example of this, and for the moment i think reforming our political system is actually even more important than returning to the eu... britain urgently needs proportional representation...
Exactly...the EU helps shield each state, to some extent, from bad governance. That's why many political groups wanted to leave, so they could run the show to thier agenda
Agreed - another fundamental change would be to change our tax system to tax assets and not work.
Leftists hate it when democracy doesn’t go their way.
the EU is BAD governance,thats why we left,nobody gave permission to merkel to do what she did@@martywestywood6004
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Listening to this debate is like listening to a group of kids debating their plans for a party they’re not invited to. One shakes his head in disbelief…
Von der Leyen didn't offer the British anything, it was her personal opinion.
Imagine anyone who voted for Brexit trying to explain "Political reality" to anyone else. Should immediately be a diqualifier for any serious political discourse.
Imagine anyone who has seen Lagarde, Juncker and Von Der Lyen all embroiled in serious scandals in their domestic politics then finding themselves parachuted into senior positions in the EU, and thinking this is the government for me. Imagine thinking these people are to be trusted. Imagine that 🙄
Have you seen how corrupted the government of brexiteers is? Brexit is a failure and must be udone: get over it
@@cosmos237 Imagen needing to resort to slander to justify your political choices while being delusional enough to think we have any kind of moral highground to judge others.
Wow how superior you are that only your opinion matters 😂 Narcissistic attitude that.
Why do the British people think it’s so easy and simple to join the EU.
The EU isn’t going to allow the UK to join just to vote to leave again and again and again.
100% in these uncertain times we need all the allies with us.
what an unelectED commision are you for real ..you never voted in and cannot vote out how s that democracy explain
They’re already our allies thanks to NATO
The EU is not our friend.
We voted to leave. Get over it! 😅
@@TG-ts3xn😂 lol I just heard a new word Regrexit. Brilliant! You should call James and explain your argument. I think you’ve got something there. 😅
@@TG-ts3xn they are a better friend than the tories who you love to rim.
Jim Shannon and his party were warned what Brexit would lead to. So he got EXACTLY what he voted for.
Crazy paying top dollar for a horse blanket? Why don’t they just teach all those leave voting fishermen to knit?
Should Britain accept reversing the damage the Tories have caused? A resounding yes should be in order.
Things will improve when we ban Halal.
And quickly, before they change their mind.
Just wait until the next lot.
Labour backed Brexit too, only the SNP, Liberal Democrats and Green opposed Brexit..
@@samb3783 And that tells you everything about those three parties.
The EU has not invited the UK back in..... dream on 😂
l would rather take the side of Russia against the EU.
@@peternicho If you voted Leave you already did.
Leave the uk then
@@NickGroves-fz7in Did that 6 years ago.... best thing I ever did. Enjoy the turnips.....🤡😂
DUP guy. Supported Brexit. It was so obvious it would lead to an Irish sea border.
I mean, at one point Theresa May bought the DUP off despite the inherent need for an Irish Sea border, so it's not like they have much foresight
He was hoping for a different border….
He got the border we love , foolish fellow.
The EU does not invite countries to join them and they didn't invite the UK specifically. But maybe people in the UK have a different understanding of what an invitation looks like. But be assured that you haven't been offered anything so I wonder what you think you could possibly accept.
Not the Brexit he voted for, he wanted the one with Milk, Honey and Unicorns!
ie the world according to cartoons.
The unicorn was ovenready, what against it?
"sunlit uplands" 😂
Jim Shannon sounds delusional. What did he think was going to happen to fisheries? That the fish would breed faster after Brexit?
The EU has not invited the UK back in
They should have had a pro EU pro Ireland politician from the north of Ireland on that panel as well.
Why? We already voted to leave.
Just need to leave the ECHR now.
@@TG-ts3xn you mean the ECHR that the UK was instrumental in creating? The north of Ireland voted to stay in the EU by the way.
@TG-ts3xn why? If you want to work long hours for low pay, you can volunteer for that without dragging the rest of us into it!
What did these guys in NI expect? They were told repeatedly. You can't run a country on dreams and fantasy, which is what the tried to do. Give NI back to the Republic, we'll take care of it.
Northern Ireland has never been part of the Republic of Ireland, bud. So, logically it can't be 'given back', can it. Only the people of Northern Ireland can decide whether or not they want to leave the Union.
Slainte.
@@jacobcohen9205 Ireland was a colonial possession of Great Britain. There was a war between Ireland and Britain. There was the implantation of Ulster Scots, the Irish famine, etc. etc. . Please get your facts right. It's a horrific past.
Jim Shannon talks about how they didn’t get the Brexit they were promised. The Problem I see with that is that there was never a ratified written policy manifesto on exactly what Brexit would mean, and how it would be carried, although I doubt very much that people like the DUP would ever be content with any outcome of Brexit.
And as for our new trading status? The new trade deals we now have are at best practically worthless if not damaging to our own industries.
But Brexit was a completely bonkers idea from the outset so it shouldn’t be any surprise that it would be enacted with complete incompetence.
They could never say how Brexit would be, because they promised mutual exclusive things to different people. Easy as that.
what we are waiting for leaving EU was worst UK decision ever. Back in ASAP !
Best decision we ever made
It is called democracy what woke remainers don't understand
This really shows how delusional UK politics is, as a European no chance of UK rejoining EU in next 40-50 years
Depressingly DUP contribution shows that real progress in Northern Ireland is equally unlikely
Conservative government needs to give back all the millions of pounds they personally benefit via shell companies during the covid pandemic. That money can then be used to right some wrongs however you can't plunder the bank and then try to use whatever is left over. People need to be held accountable asap.
Totally agree 👍
To leave a decision as complex as Brexit to the 'unwashed masses' was absolutely ludicrous/irresponsible in the first place. They must have known that the inherent racism,insularity and 'fear of the other' would result in an out vote. This suggests to me that politicians and wealthy influences didn't like the fact that the EU was restricting their ability to make dodgy deals to enhance their own finances.
It was offered by Cameron just to stop labour winning in 2015. And when he lost the vote, he resigned, leaving the mess to someone else!
The beneficiaries of the Rothermere Family Trust (Registered in the Cayman Islands) would heartily agree with you. I sincerely doubt that they've ever paid any Income or Corporation Tax on their earnings from ownership of the Daily Mail Group of Newspapers.
You can see where their enthusiasm for Brexit came from.
The referendum was an advisory one and in no way legally binding. Rushing headlong into it without extensive feasibility studies being carried out was the greatest folly. However that happened to ensure the UK offshore banking industry was not subject to the latest EU anti-money laundering and tax evasion regulations!
51.8% of a 70% turnout was never a majority anyway.@@alanbarker2279
Also don't forget people were misled to believe it was the EUs fault that Britain was turning into a shambles at the time. There was so much and still a lot of misinformation.
Brexit is a never ending topic because nobody knows how a perfect Brexit should look like. The EU will not allow that the UK is getting a "cherry picked Brexit" as they always dream off....😂 and therefore the UK will not join within the next 20 years....
There isn't a perfect brexit as the whole thing is moronic
@@jameshutton3960 Exactly!
@@jameshutton3960exactly. For the tories it is to be completely sovereign and strike international trade deals to grow our economy and increase funding in the NHS... lol
Leave means leave. You're OUT.
Absolutely. The sooner we are back the better.
Nope. Cope.
They destroyed Britain
We have to swallow our pride and get back in as soon as as possable
Only brexiteers need to do that.
Not POSSIBLE , definitely will not happen, why would anyone want to give away 12 billion for F all in return
@@johnou.k.3780 You mean like an extra l £30 billion per year in LOST exports to the EU sovereign countries, since Brexit? You mean like the loss of £billions back from the EU into deprived areas of the UK that YOUR Tories promised to replace but did not? What we paid the EU (and by the way we were the EU as much as France or Germany is) was a bargain.
Now here is the new deal which employers believe is a bargain. They can an do import 1,200,000 people from India and Africa etc per year and are able to pay them 20% less per year. This is to make up for the EU people that left due to racism and covid who were doing real jobs and paying tax in the UK, like the NHS for eg. And the reason that this is worse, is that most EU immigrants came with just themselves, The new (Brexit) immigrants bring their families which, unlike EU people did not put undue pressure on our NHS and schools etc. You people actually voted for this. This is the exact Brexit you voted for.
@@johnou.k.3780Still falling for the Bexit propaganda. £12 billion is chicken feed to what we'll lose and have lost already. Where's Uncle Nigel when you need him? 😂
The DUP wanted a hard Brexit and therefore a hard boarder on the island of Ireland. That was never going to happen
EU without UK is too strange to me. I wish you come back, we miss you.
Somebody comes to build EU together with other members, other comes "to pick the best cherries". 😄😄😄😄😄
The EU is highly democratic. The commission needs the permission of the EU council to even start talks. And actual approval needs more support than that!
please do not ever come back, annoying people.
Lots of Leave voters on here jumping on to defend their decision but the problem they all going to ultimately have to deal with is that last time this was debated they could say things were going to be better after Brexit and this time we have the massive steaming pile of evidence that we did it and then things have demonstrably gotten considerably worse. Even Farage says Brexit has failed.
Fartage should do like he said "leave the country if brexit is a failure"
@chrislambe400 he tried but nobody wanted to take him in
Name one piece of evidence, considering leading experts say it will take decades to calculate 😅. The lies just get larger (remain idiots). Not to mention the IMF calculate we will be the fastest growing economy in EU by 2030, the exact body you claim is piling up evidence in your favour.
Can you give examples of what has 'gotten' considerably worse, please?
I'll wait.
@@jacobcohen9205 I can give you things that have gotten better.
Avoided EU double dip recession.
Avoided 80 billion covid fund payments, where we would have received little or nothing in return.
Forging new trade deals.
Forecast to outperform every single EU economy by 2030 due to Brexit specifically as calculated by IMF.
The list is endless.
Unsurprising English arrogance, already deciding what cherries they will pick in the unlikely event that they would join the EU
😂😂.. Arrogance got me.. 😂😂😂
Not really arrogance - surely whenever, you enter a deal or contract you attempt to get the best terms you can!
@@alanbarker2279 Yes, arrogance, really. The best terms you can get, in terms of being an EU member state, is to become a fully committed member of a union of equals, not a self-important, arrogant country with an insatiable appetite for opt outs that are not shared by other members. It is not a surprise that England's (and I mean England's) departure from the EU came about as a result of its inceesant demand for special treatment.
@@frankoneill5675 It came about due to misinformation and manipulation by a hidden wealthy elite, with their own hidden agenda. The same group continue to spread misinformation through traditional and social media. As your channel was formed in 2022 I rather suspect you of being a part of this...
@@alanbarker2279after ripping up 40 years of a relationship based on a swing of 800k people, why on Earth would the EU trust the UK unless it committed to deep integration?
''The right sort of Brexit'' This IS the Brexit.
Invited back in? the arrogance! If they don't suffer they'll never learn.
“This isn’t the kind of Christmas I voted for”. Signed - A. Turkey.
I love this stuff. "We got cardboard wings that broke our legs when we jumped off the roof, not the ones we were promised to make us fly like Superman." 😂
Maybe we should rename the Conservative Party as
the Self-Harm Party
or the Illegal Christmas Party
What? When? This is completely untrue. The EU did NOT invite the UK to come back. They can apply for membership like any country and then we'll see.... don't get me wrong, I wish the UK had never left, but they chose to. Half of the panelists are delirious. I gurantee that there will be no fast track, nothing like it.
Eu, please don’t let it happen until a huge majority in the uk strongly wants this. At least 80%.
The EU might let it happen when not only an overwhelming majority of the UK population is committed not only to the economic side of EU membership but first and foremost the political aspect. The same goes for the political parties in the UK and the media as well I guess. And lets not forget that it could only happen if the EU and its members want it as well. Anyway there are also condions and requirements to be met. And these may have an impact on how much the UK really wants it to happen.
How about 98%
Quite interesting how this N.I. politician explains why he did not think for one second about the consequences of what he promoted: "I believed in BoJoke and he lied." Oh, really? And you, living in N.I. had no clue at all that a border between GB and the EU would have to be somewhere? Nobody ever told you that? How about you start thinking for yourself before pushing people to vote against their very own interests?
They have not invited the UK back.
VDL can re-open the question, but it is OBVIOUS that special concessions or opt outs will never be on the table.
Britain has also sold itself to dark money. GCHQ is now run by...Amazon, the NHS is being broken up, the BoE is run by Con Think Tanks, the taxpayer no longer owns anything as it has been sold off to rentiers. It is a mess on a scale of 1979 Britain.
For the EU27 to accept GB's candidature, this has to be accepted unanimously. Ukraine has a far better chance than bankrupt Britain.
The people who voted to leave thought they were voting for less foreigners entering because of freedom of movement, but what we actually got was more illegals and freedom of movent stopped and an opportunity for our young people the opportunity to easily see the rest of the world. Also we had access to the biggest market in the world
And mainly from India, China and the Middle East, I don't think they were too happy with that. 🤣🤦♂️
Not access - we were driving members. One of the "Big Three". UK, Germany and France. We drove the EU in the direction we wanted.
@@petergaskin1811 You were not one of the Big Three. The Big Three refers to the three biggest founding economies of the EEC. The UK being one of the 'Big Three', sitting at the 'Top Table' is a self-aggrandising delusion promoted by A Different Bias. The EU is a proper union , unlike the UK, where the English drive the UK in the direction they alone want.
@@globalist1990 Even I told them that this is what would happen and that lots of Southern Asian British people voted brexit for.
@@stephanguitar9778 i think some at least of minorities voted with a grudge against the European "whites".
the EU has not invited the UK. Van der Leien has only said that as far as she is concerned, the UK can rejoin the EU
Why would access to the EU Single Market be offered to a non-member? There remains a strong theme of cake -and-eat-it among the thinking, even on this panel.
We could apply for EFTA membership and then EEA. This would allow us access to the single market...
Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are in the SM but not the EU. Switzerland are also in Schengen
@@johnbarrance4926 They are indeed in the SM, because they accept the 4 freedoms, including the freedom of movement. As the UK government made clear since 2016, that was a red line for the UK. So EFTA can give you SM access to a point (Norway excluded fisheries, I understand) but each country then accepts freedom of movement, the ECJ and the rest.
I don't think she did, nor does she have the power to do so.
It is freezing cold out there today there is no reason why the church cannot open their doors up for the homeless people they only need a couple of blankets and a pillows all churches have got kitchens and toilets ladies and men's the poor need use of the church open the doors up..
Run, do not walk back to the EU.
Run where? We are being taken for mugs by every country we have attempted to sign a trade 'deal' with.
@@machidaman Run back to the loving arms of the largest free trading bloc, the European Union. 🇪🇺 Restore hope. Restore prosperity. Restore frictionless/borderless travel and trade.
@@fretish5425 the EU is a political union not a free trade bloc. Why is Britain better off in the euro and Schengen without a rebate?
@@chrisj9700Look around you - we're clearly worse off without them. We were never in the Schengen agreement, but at this point I'd take it to save us from the oncoming, seemingly inevitable economic collapse
No thank you. Go to the Americans or the Chinese please
Yes Absolutely..& take a We made a huge mistake card.
We're bear-y sorry
People voted to leave the EU. That was it. There was nothing more or less on the ballet paper. People imagined what leaving meant and it was different for each of them. We need to rejoin, and if that is difficult then we should not run scared.
Thank you. People voted to end EU membership. They didn't voted to end single market membership, though. In fact, we were offered an EEA option, which would have allowed us to remain in the single market. This was rejected by Theresa May...
Returning to the EU is as Guto says, not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, but I do think it may happen long before Guto Harri departs this world. IF, it happens at all. However, the EU will insist on the UK being a full member and that will include the adoption of the Euro and possibly being part of Schengen, although being separated by the sea, this may in practice be only pragmatic via the Channel Tunnel. By leaving, the UK has forfeited any and all its clout to negotiate any concessions. Also, whilst the economy is in the doldrums and the political mood in the country miserable at the current time and therefore an upswing in support for rejoining, any upturn in the economy and better times will quickly allay a lot of that support. For the people of the UK to want to rejoin in significant numbers that the politicians dare to deal with the 'B' word again, the UK will likely need to suffer from prolonged economic woes and very minimal growth. I've lived long enough to know that better times will come, even by hanging onto the success of others and when they do, the mood changes. In short, the damage has been done.
I voted for leaving the EU and I would now vote to re-enter the EU because this government has tried to tear up every law of the land since
Same here.
Does it mean we could then go to EU again freely qnd not be 3rd class citizens?? I cant believe British voted for no freedom of movement for citizens. Of course rich will be let in for as long as they want!!!! 😢😢😢
Glad to hear it, from both of you. Admitting your own mistakes takes a level of maturity few people possess.
Unfortunately, the EU will not have us back.
No chance
What did you think they meant when they said they wanted to take back control?
Schengen and the Euro sound fine, let's go back in.
It's a ridiculous point Gutto Harri... he's demonstrating the same intransigence the Brexit supporters made.
There's absolutely no reason why we can't go back to the EU. The EU is not a spurned lover, it's a group of people who came together for a greater cause!
What about the public mood in the member states!? Do we not get a vote to keep that toxic island out - democracy and all that??
The U.K. will never ever receive unanimous approval from EU members
I would go BACK in a heartbeat because we have NOT GAINED A SINGLE BENEFIT
Freedom of movement is a fallacy, basically you can only come to this country if you have a valid job offer, no recourse to public funds and private health care insurance. The uk government was the only EU country who didn’t implement these rules regarding FOM.
Yes, 100% yes, we should never have left to begin with. We should be begging to rejoin.
WHAT ? England go cap in hand to Europe ?
No. I believe the EU, although a tad poorer and weaker, is better off. It is better being in no relationship, than a toxic one.
I second that thought we are better off ....the Brits now have no one to blame but themselves
Agreed.
Please tell us how the EU is weaker . Assuming you mean because of Brexit .
@@hughmacfarlane9662 WE are not weaker without the british.......we are more united than ever ......long may it continue ...puting Orban in his place over the Ukraine is an example....KEEP THE BRITISH OUT OF THE EU WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST THEM EVER!!
Please answer my question ?
What about staying away from E.U ?
I actually know Brexiteers who voted from their villa's in Spain, Italy and Greece, and are now complaining
What Brexit were people expecting?
It seems to me that brexit was like being persuaded to quit your job because you'll be better off freelancing. No one ever specifies what you'll end up earning, or mentions you might not get holiday pay, but they assure you it'll be awesome. You just take it on faith that it'll be great and that the people telling you to leave have no ulterior motives.
Youd be pretty dumb to just believe them.
Except Brexit has delivered on its key promises - regulatory autonomy and more meaningful discretion over EU migration. I'm happy with the move to freelance as although there was a financial hit I'm prepared to adjust in return for the expanded ability to make my own decisions.
@TheOutsider840 immigration figures are through the roof, so I'm guessing this must be satire. But out of interest, what specific example of regulatory autonomy has made a difference in your life as a result of leaving the EU?
what jobs mining carmakers steel making and all the side industries that they created all went to third world countries anyway
@@drummingtildeath immigration figures are nothing to do with Brexit. That's a governance issue. Before Brexit, UK had limited ability to control EU migration, now it can fully (exc. Irish citizens under CTA terms). UK could reduce immigration considerably *if it wanted to* and had a govt willing to do so. Re your question, I think the new immigration policy is great, as I don't want discrimination based on nationality (there was no sound rationale behind treating a French citizen more favourably than say, an Indian, Canadian, Nigerian or Malaysian citizen). Again, slight caveat that there's an exception made for Irish citizens.
We should rejoin as soon as possible
At some point this country needs to get past this Brexit debate & actually get on with making meaningful change to the country. Leaving or staying in the EU makes no difference if our political class continue to let the country drift along in a managed decline rather than making the radical changes that are necessary. Rejoining the EU will NOT address our underlying issues (just as it didn’t before Brexit).
Ursula doesn’t have the mandate nor the power to make that statement. The UK has to meet the Copenhagen criteria and apply for membership, it’s then up to the 27 memberstates to accept or not.
She expressed her personal opinion and of course she can do that. But her personal opinion is just that and doesn't change the general accession process at all.
So in other words. A bunch of moronic politicians, business owners and celebrities can't get off their high-horse and admit they were wrong to promote Brexit and the everyday UK citizen suffers yet again.
British exceptionalism is bewildering. Wake up to the reality that the EU doesn't want or need you. GB has a very inglorious history and Brexit is karmic.
100% immediately asap if not sooner
Hard to have too much sympathy with Jim when everything he was warned about everything he is complaining about back in 2016.
"It is scandalous. We didn't get what we where promised." .......
One need a brain, one really do.
They didn’t get the Brexit they voted for but they did get the Brexit the remainers warned them about…
It's so really very simple we the public, ones with a brain an common sense can c the damage Brexit has done and is doing to the UK, sur the idiots in government can c this? What is the saying, we r stronger together not alone!!!
Eu feels so sorry for you willing to talk again after you spent years bad mouthing them for years and lie after lie
We don’t want them back!
Those people don't realize that EU has no interest for that. Sorry but UK must continue to punish itself for sometimes to deter any other member to leave. Even french far right leader LE PEN drops the idea.
The single thinking that you can be stronger alone than in the most wealthier club on Earth is so foolish !
There was no invite. If you ask the people in the EU, there will be no welcome at all. Let’s keep those cherry-picking out.
What is wrong with having the euro? It's so advantageous. No changing currency every time you cross a border (which by the way is also easy if you're in the Shengen area). It's all so beneficial. Brexiteers truly are clueless about the Eurozone.
Not just Brexiters. The vast majority of joiners on these fora obsess about their comfort blanket pound
Jeez, even after all the hardships which have become apparent, the English are still talking up 'Cherry Picking'.