The EU did not 'invite the UK back'. UvdL expressed her personal opinion and stated Brexit was a mistake that future generations would have to fix. That's all, folks.
Small difference anyway, meaning coming generation. I strongly doubt that a majority of EU states want UK back in. And no, honey: single market is part of a bigger paket, like free movement of labour.
@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage Exactly, thank you but no thank you. A little reminder that economic prosperity is not possible without security. The eu has no cohesion to protect anything, never mind the single market if the proverbial hits the fan… NATO does
no, he was looking forward to a land border being re imposed on the island of ireland....so he ignored everybody who told him what would happen, now his party is throwing a 2 year long tantrum.
The problem is people listened to promises from people like Farage who were in no position to have to deliver anything or ever be held to account so could promise anything
Crazy to think Napoleon would go through all that effort to keep British goods off the continent when all he needed was to hold a referendum and they'd do it to themselves voluntarily.
Your government has a policy of open borders for all imports to prevent food shortages and further food price inflation and hence a huge loss of revenue to the tune of billions every year, with no end in sight.
The people who say: "this is not the brexit I voted for" never succeed in telling us, what IS the brexit they voted for and how it would be better than the Brexit we have.
If there is a single lesson to be taken from Brexit it is thus; both sides were competence vacuums, our own political class are as venal and incompetent as their continental counterparts. It's a great opportunity to rebuild in the interest of the wider country rather than the self serving elites who govern it. It's easier to do that here than attempt to reform the unreformable
@@cosmos237The "both sides" argument doesn't work. The British media were constantly pushing the lies that Europe needed Britain more than the UK needed the EU, and that the EU were unreliable liars who hated the UK and were trying to tear it down. Despite this, the EU allowed delays in applying many regulations that were a consequence of BREXIT, while the UK never adequately prepared.
When we left the EU we had the opportunity to deregulate and cut taxes on fuels and energy which would of caused a surge of new buisness opportunities and given new life to British manufacturing. We had the opportunity to rebuild the countries fishing industry. Instead we got a sell out half way house that has given us very little. It hasn't however caused any of the recent economic pain all western countries have faced.
@@ricardosmythe2548 Can I ask why you think the Tory party who were led by Boris Johnson, one of the most pro Brexit politicians, with a cabinet packed with pro Brexit campaigners, a party purged of almost every significant pro remain MP and a massive parliamentary majority meaning he could essentially pass whatever legislation he wanted for the majority of the post Brexit time we have had….. suddenly elected NOT to do any of those things?
@@cosmos237At least we are now a fully sovereign nation with full control of our laws and Borders. I mentioned this to my wife after her company moved to Hungary because of operating costs and she lost her job. Told her the upside is now you can do more house work. 😊
That' because the EU hasn't "asked" the UK back. It's just a personal opinion of a politician. EU has no practice of inviting anyone. EU isn't into red carpet thingies. UK is farther down the line(yes there is a line) then Ukraine and Ukraine looks at about a decade even if the stars align for it.
The EU wants kosovo and Ukraine , they have Estonia ,Latvia ,Lithuania , portugal , Greece ,Slovenia, Croatia, etc etc etc ....... Of course they want a country equal to France and Germany . Imbecile
Agreed. It will be full membership excluding the opt outs or an associate status of some kind without any voting rights or influence on decision making and with less Eu funding for deprived areas which we used to have.
@@globalist1990 I think we can do what other countries have done, which is have a general commitment to eventually join euro. A wink and a nod that both sides know we’re not actually going to do
The Northern Ireland politician spoke glowingly about how his constituents voted for overwhelmingly for Brexit. His reasoning was that they should have the right to fish as much as they want, and didn't like Brussels sticking their nose into their affairs. This guy, who looks like his 80ish, wants to fish until the seas are depleted of any life. Live now, don't care about tomorrow. These are the fools, people who are of another age, filled with racial animus who pushed for Brexit. Now, the UK is paying the price of leaving the largest economic block in the world. At least Ireland remains in the EU.
Never forget that the DUP saw Brexit as a way to destroy the Belfast Agreement. Forget all the wittering on about fish, all they ever wanted was the NI/ROI border safely back in place. He may look like a fairly jolly grandfather, underneath that mask though...
THE EU HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT INVITED YOU BACK IN ! The U.K. could not rejoin the European Union without the full agreement of all the other member states. If even one vetoes the UK's application, and at the moment four states have publicly expressed opposition, then you stay out. You voted to leave and we don't want you back until or unless you are prepared to fully embrace the European Ideal.
“This is the brexit I voted for.” I hear this from time to time and my response is always the same, it’s the brexit I voted against. People who voted leave contributed to the greatest single harm done to this country in my lifetime. It was an act of utter madness based on ignorance/simplistic thinking
The problem is that sociodivisionist isolationists fail to recognize the benefits of being within a familial group of nations until their civilization starts to disintegrate around their naivety. The Tory party is - as are the Republicans - intrinsically sociodivisive.
@@alim3611look around you how is happening. Companies leaving our shores Fishers going out of business Exports going down and getting more expensive Imports more expensive or stopped Staff shortages everywhere especially manual labour Yes inflation is in that but our economy is much worse than other countries are much much worse
Im a graphic designer, I have six clients that import and export, all say brexit has damaged their business. I'm yet to hear one positive comment about Brexit in over 7 years from them. I love the comment on Brexit 'I didn't inhale'.
@@johnmurphy9550 what did you export and what was your company name. Id like you to specify the product that you sold and point out the country or countries that were easier to export to. All the companies I deal with now say it is harder to export than before - so you really aren't convincing me at all.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 put simply - yes- I have many friends in Advertising that say the same - so a definite yes. If you don't think there has been a change for the worse, your just in denial.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 17,410,742 people voted leave, which is a very long way off "over half the country". Accuracy matters if you're going to attempt to quote stats.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Not half of the countries population. 17.4 million seriously misguided, misinformed people (and a campaign financed with black money of dubious pedigree) that didn't know what they were voting for vs the other 50 million people in the country who voted against, did not vote, or could not vote. Barely an absolute majority by any measure. Real democracy is something that is voted on over and over, not the equivalent of a one of vote for a dictator.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 "...so I will say it again, over half this countries eligible voters chose to leave the EU". Except that isn't what you said.
Straight away, we are talking about our special requirements and exceptions, just for us. All it takes is one of the 27 countries to say no, and why would they allow a new member in who wants better terms than the existing members. Spoiler alert, you wouldn’t.
I’m not so sure, the leaders of the eu like everyone else realise that there are severe challenges approaching for everyone in the coming future and a GB as a part of Europe, as a committed partner, strengthens the EU. The Brits just need to put the crazies back into the hole they crawled out off and ask to return, simple. Pun intended
You wouldn't be a committed partner for one thing, as demonstrated by your request for exceptions. Plus any number of other existing member countries could/would object asking for the same special deal as the UK in order to secure their vote. There is no pressure or even interest from the public within the EU to bring the UK back in. The rest of the EU has moved on. Yes, the EU commission would like to see it one day, but they play a long game and want all of the European countries within the EU, one day. @@cristosl
@@chrisashton9218 I am aware of the difficulties, I'm not dismissing the points you raise. But it will not be nations like Poland or Romania who will decide the issue it will be Germany and France, yes those other nations will protest yes they can and will obstruct as they see it in their national interest and yes hard and complex negotiations will need to be held. And as you've rightly pointed out the goal is a united Europe because without it Europe faces a long slow descent into irrelevance. Things seem impossible until they're not
So, explain this 'damage' Brexit has caused? I've asked this question many times and none of you EUfanboys ever gets back. I know why of course. Surprise me with an answer. As if.
Imagine anyone who voted for Brexit trying to explain "Political reality" to anyone else. Should immediately be a diqualifier for any serious political discourse.
Imagine anyone who has seen Lagarde, Juncker and Von Der Lyen all embroiled in serious scandals in their domestic politics then finding themselves parachuted into senior positions in the EU, and thinking this is the government for me. Imagine thinking these people are to be trusted. Imagine that 🙄
@@cosmos237 Imagen needing to resort to slander to justify your political choices while being delusional enough to think we have any kind of moral highground to judge others.
i'm a remainer and i'm all for britain becoming an eu member again as soon as possible... nevertheless, i'm also aware that the tory governments since 2010 have misused our ancient (ancient = not fit for purpose) political system for there own ends, brexit being an example of this, and for the moment i think reforming our political system is actually even more important than returning to the eu... britain urgently needs proportional representation...
Exactly...the EU helps shield each state, to some extent, from bad governance. That's why many political groups wanted to leave, so they could run the show to thier agenda
I suggest British ppl try to read/ watch news when it comes to EU from other countries. Uk news always suggests EU wants UK back , but the EU do not care about UK . EU never tried to stop UK leaving either. UK became laughing object in Europe. There's been an interview between EU member and UK politician not so long ago and even then EU member expressed that they don't care if UK come back or not .
@@Lifelongloser They are not punishing anyone, they no longer take British concerns to mind. Why bother spending energy on what to do with a former member that has already left when you are working for 450 million other Europeans and are working on active negotiations for accession for Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and North Macedonia and in the early stages with Bosnia and Herzegovina and Georgia. When the UK wants to join that list and reopen the debate they will knock at the door, the EU politician until that time will spend 5 minutes of his year think about the UK. Remainer or Brexiteer, it is irrelevant to the EU
The idea that the UK can rejoin with the same deal as before is sheer fantasy. The EU should insist that the UK joins the Euro, Schengen and be 100% in. No special deals, no favours.
Eager to don the jackboots already? Believe it or not; not all of us voted leave based on the bs spouted. I voted leave for my own reasons and I'd do it again.
@The_Phoenix_Saga OK. You may be a lawer who has made a fortune out of this, you maybe a Russian oligarch who has achieved the aim of separating the UK from the EU. Apart from that, I can't think of anybody who would be happy with BREXIT.
@@markshirley01 Psh, we've been poor ever since the 30s and the dropping of the gold standard. Europe hasn't fared any either since their "Euro" is based on the same fiscal debt we took up. You'd vote to have us take on 27 other country's debt again. Well done you.
@@user-ug8wx5er1w😂 lol I just heard a new word Regrexit. Brilliant! You should call James and explain your argument. I think you’ve got something there. 😅
Why the EU would open any negotiation fro the UK to rejoin, when the UK didn't actually respect half of what was sign during the divorce process? What kind of trust do you expect the EU has to British politicians? Why would they think the UK would keep their word and do what was sign, without trying to renegotiate everything every morning? The probability to not get a UK application vetoed by someone starting from France, is extremely low, IMO. Which is something which isn't actually discussed by anyone: what the EU could get from accepting the UK back in, apart from Farage type of politician sitting in the EU parliament? Won't happen in Farage lifetime, nor in any brexiter politician lifetime actually.
I’m a proud Brexit voter. Comments like yours fill my heart with joy! Even if we did look like returning there are enough of us to cause such a commotion that the EU would black ball us. Fabulous.
@lesleywillis6177 'proud brexiters' are declining... you are actually a minority. You don't have as much substance as you think. The most contentious issue is the single market. The UK being outside of the single market (because of the tories) has invoked major economic damage for us. Being part of the single market was not stated on the ballot paper. The ballot paper specifically asked about EU membership. Your ignorance and arrogance is what is bringing this country down.
Listening to this debate is like listening to a group of kids debating their plans for a party they’re not invited to. One shakes his head in disbelief…
A lot of Europeans were glad to get rid of the Brits. If they want to return, it will have to be as joiners and not rejoiners, a bit like the West Balkan countries. They will need to satisfy all EU criteria, with no special status, and all EU national parliaments will have to say yes. And to make sure they mean it, and are not just playing the game of "I leave, I return again", they will have to join the Eurozone.
In fact, I personally would not allow the UK full membership again until AFTER they had adopted the euro and acceded to Schengen FIRST. This time, show us you MEAN it. Or don't bother knocking in the first place.
As an American living within a ‘state’, I have no sympathy for the UK. The lady’s comments are soooo smug. It’s difficult to watch. I don’t know if I’d want them back? Too much hassle.
I am a UK citizen. I realise that British people aren't actually interested in the political and social aspects of the EU. Most people are, however, in favour of the single market. The electorate voted to terminate EU membership. However, the tories also terminated our single market participation. That has been the contentious factor. Although I would prefer to be an EU member, I understand that the rest of the country wouldn't be in favour. As an alternative, I would hope we seek EFTA/EEA membership and join Norway and the rest of the EEA members. Yes I do know what EEA membership entails - no involvement in major decision making, not being subject to the European Court of Justice but having more autonomy over our agricultural and fishery legislation. I think this would be the most rational and legitimate route to regain single market participation. I wouldn't say that all leave voters wanted to abandon the single market, anyway. All leave voters had their individual reason for voting leave. One thing I can be sure of is that they all did not want to be part of a political union anymore (the EU).
Quite right I tend to agree with your point EFTA/EEA membership at most no paying billions into the coffers to fund the corrupt gangsters that run Ukraine and Moldova thank you very much. @@rayc9539
@@rayc9539 But your second proposal would also not be acceptable to the same people who voted for Brexit. What they want is a kind of special deal: ALL the benefits of the EU, with NONE of the drawbacks. And that is kind of what Boris Johnson and his lot promised would happen: no more contribution for the UK to the EU, but still all the tax exemptions on trade, transport etc. And thát is the "Brexit that they voted for", delusional as it is.
Why do the British people think it’s so easy and simple to join the EU. The EU isn’t going to allow the UK to join just to vote to leave again and again and again.
The EU does not invite countries to join them and they didn't invite the UK specifically. But maybe people in the UK have a different understanding of what an invitation looks like. But be assured that you haven't been offered anything so I wonder what you think you could possibly accept.
Conservative government needs to give back all the millions of pounds they personally benefit via shell companies during the covid pandemic. That money can then be used to right some wrongs however you can't plunder the bank and then try to use whatever is left over. People need to be held accountable asap.
To leave a decision as complex as Brexit to the 'unwashed masses' was absolutely ludicrous/irresponsible in the first place. They must have known that the inherent racism,insularity and 'fear of the other' would result in an out vote. This suggests to me that politicians and wealthy influences didn't like the fact that the EU was restricting their ability to make dodgy deals to enhance their own finances.
The beneficiaries of the Rothermere Family Trust (Registered in the Cayman Islands) would heartily agree with you. I sincerely doubt that they've ever paid any Income or Corporation Tax on their earnings from ownership of the Daily Mail Group of Newspapers. You can see where their enthusiasm for Brexit came from.
The referendum was an advisory one and in no way legally binding. Rushing headlong into it without extensive feasibility studies being carried out was the greatest folly. However that happened to ensure the UK offshore banking industry was not subject to the latest EU anti-money laundering and tax evasion regulations!
Also don't forget people were misled to believe it was the EUs fault that Britain was turning into a shambles at the time. There was so much and still a lot of misinformation.
What did these guys in NI expect? They were told repeatedly. You can't run a country on dreams and fantasy, which is what the tried to do. Give NI back to the Republic, we'll take care of it.
Northern Ireland has never been part of the Republic of Ireland, bud. So, logically it can't be 'given back', can it. Only the people of Northern Ireland can decide whether or not they want to leave the Union. Slainte.
@@jacobcohen9205 Ireland was a colonial possession of Great Britain. There was a war between Ireland and Britain. There was the implantation of Ulster Scots, the Irish famine, etc. etc. . Please get your facts right. It's a horrific past.
Jim Shannon talks about how they didn’t get the Brexit they were promised. The Problem I see with that is that there was never a ratified written policy manifesto on exactly what Brexit would mean, and how it would be carried, although I doubt very much that people like the DUP would ever be content with any outcome of Brexit. And as for our new trading status? The new trade deals we now have are at best practically worthless if not damaging to our own industries. But Brexit was a completely bonkers idea from the outset so it shouldn’t be any surprise that it would be enacted with complete incompetence.
Brexit is a never ending topic because nobody knows how a perfect Brexit should look like. The EU will not allow that the UK is getting a "cherry picked Brexit" as they always dream off....😂 and therefore the UK will not join within the next 20 years....
@@jameshutton3960exactly. For the tories it is to be completely sovereign and strike international trade deals to grow our economy and increase funding in the NHS... lol
What? When? This is completely untrue. The EU did NOT invite the UK to come back. They can apply for membership like any country and then we'll see.... don't get me wrong, I wish the UK had never left, but they chose to. Half of the panelists are delirious. I gurantee that there will be no fast track, nothing like it.
The EU might let it happen when not only an overwhelming majority of the UK population is committed not only to the economic side of EU membership but first and foremost the political aspect. The same goes for the political parties in the UK and the media as well I guess. And lets not forget that it could only happen if the EU and its members want it as well. Anyway there are also condions and requirements to be met. And these may have an impact on how much the UK really wants it to happen.
The EU is highly democratic. The commission needs the permission of the EU council to even start talks. And actual approval needs more support than that!
Does it mean we could then go to EU again freely qnd not be 3rd class citizens?? I cant believe British voted for no freedom of movement for citizens. Of course rich will be let in for as long as they want!!!! 😢😢😢
@@alanbarker2279 Yes, arrogance, really. The best terms you can get, in terms of being an EU member state, is to become a fully committed member of a union of equals, not a self-important, arrogant country with an insatiable appetite for opt outs that are not shared by other members. It is not a surprise that England's (and I mean England's) departure from the EU came about as a result of its inceesant demand for special treatment.
@@frankoneill5675 It came about due to misinformation and manipulation by a hidden wealthy elite, with their own hidden agenda. The same group continue to spread misinformation through traditional and social media. As your channel was formed in 2022 I rather suspect you of being a part of this...
@@alanbarker2279after ripping up 40 years of a relationship based on a swing of 800k people, why on Earth would the EU trust the UK unless it committed to deep integration?
This really shows how delusional UK politics is, as a European no chance of UK rejoining EU in next 40-50 years Depressingly DUP contribution shows that real progress in Northern Ireland is equally unlikely
@@johnou.k.3780 You mean like an extra l £30 billion per year in LOST exports to the EU sovereign countries, since Brexit? You mean like the loss of £billions back from the EU into deprived areas of the UK that YOUR Tories promised to replace but did not? What we paid the EU (and by the way we were the EU as much as France or Germany is) was a bargain. Now here is the new deal which employers believe is a bargain. They can an do import 1,200,000 people from India and Africa etc per year and are able to pay them 20% less per year. This is to make up for the EU people that left due to racism and covid who were doing real jobs and paying tax in the UK, like the NHS for eg. And the reason that this is worse, is that most EU immigrants came with just themselves, The new (Brexit) immigrants bring their families which, unlike EU people did not put undue pressure on our NHS and schools etc. You people actually voted for this. This is the exact Brexit you voted for.
@@johnou.k.3780Still falling for the Bexit propaganda. £12 billion is chicken feed to what we'll lose and have lost already. Where's Uncle Nigel when you need him? 😂
Returning to the EU is as Guto says, not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, but I do think it may happen long before Guto Harri departs this world. IF, it happens at all. However, the EU will insist on the UK being a full member and that will include the adoption of the Euro and possibly being part of Schengen, although being separated by the sea, this may in practice be only pragmatic via the Channel Tunnel. By leaving, the UK has forfeited any and all its clout to negotiate any concessions. Also, whilst the economy is in the doldrums and the political mood in the country miserable at the current time and therefore an upswing in support for rejoining, any upturn in the economy and better times will quickly allay a lot of that support. For the people of the UK to want to rejoin in significant numbers that the politicians dare to deal with the 'B' word again, the UK will likely need to suffer from prolonged economic woes and very minimal growth. I've lived long enough to know that better times will come, even by hanging onto the success of others and when they do, the mood changes. In short, the damage has been done.
British exceptionalism is bewildering. Wake up to the reality that the EU doesn't want or need you. GB has a very inglorious history and Brexit is karmic.
I love this stuff. "We got cardboard wings that broke our legs when we jumped off the roof, not the ones we were promised to make us fly like Superman." 😂
How can these people be so totally deluded? They don't know NOTHING about eu. And nothing about uk. How can you get through the compulsry school in any European country and have no knowledge what so ever. Scary.
The EU has not invited the UK back in. One person in the leadership of the EU has said she would like to see the UK back in the EU one day. One person is not the entire EU
Lots of Leave voters on here jumping on to defend their decision but the problem they all going to ultimately have to deal with is that last time this was debated they could say things were going to be better after Brexit and this time we have the massive steaming pile of evidence that we did it and then things have demonstrably gotten considerably worse. Even Farage says Brexit has failed.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Thank you, Seamus, I agree with every point but your eighty billion is an undercalculation. It's more than a hundred and ninety billion. according to JRM. Slainte
@@jacobcohen9205 Sure, thanks for waiting - Trade Barriers: The UK's departure from the EU single market and customs union has resulted in the imposition of new trade barriers, affecting the flow of goods and services. Supply Chain Disruptions: Increased border checks and customs procedures have led to delays and disruptions in supply chains, affecting businesses and industries. Financial Services: London's status as a financial hub has been challenged, with some financial institutions relocating parts of their operations to the EU to maintain access to the single market. Fishing Industry: Changes in fishing regulations and access to waters have impacted the UK fishing industry negatively. Labour Shortages: New immigration policies and restrictions have contributed to labour shortages in certain industries, such as agriculture, healthcare, and hospitality. Border Issues: The Northern Ireland Protocol has created a de facto customs border in the Irish Sea, leading to tensions and disruptions in trade between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Tariffs and Customs Duties: The imposition of tariffs on certain goods has increased costs for businesses engaged in international trade. Compliance Costs: Companies now face additional costs associated with meeting new regulatory requirements for customs, standards, and regulations. Reduced Access to EU Research Programs: The UK's exclusion from EU research programs has potentially limited opportunities for collaboration and funding in scientific research. Changes in Student Mobility: Changes in visa regulations and participation in EU educational programs have affected student mobility and academic collaboration. Economic Uncertainty: The prolonged Brexit negotiations and ongoing uncertainties surrounding the future relationship have contributed to economic uncertainty and affected investor confidence. Price Increases: Higher costs for imported goods and changes in market dynamics have led to price increases for consumers. Increased numbers of Asylum Claims: Leaving the Dublin Agreement without replacement returns agreements in place has contributed to large increases in the number of asylum claims to the UK, overflowing immigration processing centres and requiring prolonged and expensive use of hotels to house applicants. Your turn, now tell me what's gotten better, I'll wait.
VDL can re-open the question, but it is OBVIOUS that special concessions or opt outs will never be on the table. Britain has also sold itself to dark money. GCHQ is now run by...Amazon, the NHS is being broken up, the BoE is run by Con Think Tanks, the taxpayer no longer owns anything as it has been sold off to rentiers. It is a mess on a scale of 1979 Britain. For the EU27 to accept GB's candidature, this has to be accepted unanimously. Ukraine has a far better chance than bankrupt Britain.
It’s a shame that Stella Creasy’s passion for the EU (which I share) is far greater than the value she places on unborn babies. She wants to decriminalise abortion, which would make it possible for an abortion legally to be carried out at any time up to the time of birth.
@@machidaman Run back to the loving arms of the largest free trading bloc, the European Union. 🇪🇺 Restore hope. Restore prosperity. Restore frictionless/borderless travel and trade.
@@chrisj9700Look around you - we're clearly worse off without them. We were never in the Schengen agreement, but at this point I'd take it to save us from the oncoming, seemingly inevitable economic collapse
The people who voted to leave thought they were voting for less foreigners entering because of freedom of movement, but what we actually got was more illegals and freedom of movent stopped and an opportunity for our young people the opportunity to easily see the rest of the world. Also we had access to the biggest market in the world
@@petergaskin1811 You were not one of the Big Three. The Big Three refers to the three biggest founding economies of the EEC. The UK being one of the 'Big Three', sitting at the 'Top Table' is a self-aggrandising delusion promoted by A Different Bias. The EU is a proper union , unlike the UK, where the English drive the UK in the direction they alone want.
The issue is that nobody wants the UK back UNTIL there is a huge political backings from the majority of parties AND even the wast majority of people: at least 2/3 would be needed wanting to join the UK. But the issue is that British Politicans always use the phrase "it's brussels fault" instead of recognizing that's it's their own incompetence. Invited them back yes there was years ago the phrase that the UK is like every nation welcomed back, but only if they also embrace the European Ideal much more than they did before. Immigration for example: the UK could simply join forces with other european states and force the EU to accept much rigid custom boarders and controlls, instead they complained and called it's brussles fault, while the UK can't even control their boarder now. Being in the EU means that you also need to invest in the EU politically too.
Quite interesting how this N.I. politician explains why he did not think for one second about the consequences of what he promoted: "I believed in BoJoke and he lied." Oh, really? And you, living in N.I. had no clue at all that a border between GB and the EU would have to be somewhere? Nobody ever told you that? How about you start thinking for yourself before pushing people to vote against their very own interests?
Still these crazy people think they can choose this and that. They havent learned nothing. And do not inderstand the poverty of one sector of the society. They really need to think harder.
The British people are endlessly confident and proud of how much everyone loves them and looks up to them as the greatest nation. They are as wrong about this as they were about Brexit. What about Greece's veto of your rejoining? Poland's veto? So many other veto's?? Sort yourselves out mates.
@@hughmacfarlane9662 WE are not weaker without the british.......we are more united than ever ......long may it continue ...puting Orban in his place over the Ukraine is an example....KEEP THE BRITISH OUT OF THE EU WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST THEM EVER!!
Freedom of movement is a fallacy, basically you can only come to this country if you have a valid job offer, no recourse to public funds and private health care insurance. The uk government was the only EU country who didn’t implement these rules regarding FOM.
EU citizen here: If the UK wants back in, there must be no more special treatment. That means that the UK will have to go through the entire application process again, right from the start. You also lost your deal regarding your own currency, and regarding staying out of Schengen. It's either full integration, or nothing. Your choice.
Brexit was like a 70 year old boxer deciding to climb back into the ring. The sun HAS set on the British empire. The UK is far too small and weak to go it alone. Brexit was an appeal to the nostalgia of, "We was once the most powerful nation on earff, yeah?"
This argument that this is not the Brexit we wanted and should have been something else is complete nonsense. It’s basically like saying jumping off the roof was fine but it’s the ground we landed on that’s the problem.
The EU did not 'invite the UK back'. UvdL expressed her personal opinion and stated Brexit was a mistake that future generations would have to fix. That's all, folks.
Fine. No such overwhelming desire to rejoin
We LOVE the UK where it is, that IS OUT.
We are fed up of selfishness, rebates and aloofness.
@@inigoromon1937
Splendid…..
Small difference anyway, meaning coming generation.
I strongly doubt that a majority of EU states want UK back in.
And no, honey: single market is part of a bigger paket, like free movement of labour.
@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage
Exactly, thank you but no thank you.
A little reminder that economic prosperity is not possible without security. The eu has no cohesion to protect anything, never mind the single market if the proverbial hits the fan… NATO does
"We didn't get the brexit we were promised"? Did that guy really believe all that horseshit in the first place?
no, he was looking forward to a land border being re imposed on the island of ireland....so he ignored everybody who told him what would happen, now his party is throwing a 2 year long tantrum.
Read a book….
He didn’t get the Brexit he was promised but he sure as s**t got the Brexit he deserved.
The problem is people listened to promises from people like Farage who were in no position to have to deliver anything or ever be held to account so could promise anything
I presume you are talking about a DUP guy here.
Crazy to think Napoleon would go through all that effort to keep British goods off the continent when all he needed was to hold a referendum and they'd do it to themselves voluntarily.
brilliant I never thought about it.
👏👏👏 touché 👏👏👏
Your government has a policy of open borders for all imports to prevent food shortages and further food price inflation and hence a huge loss of revenue to the tune of billions every year, with no end in sight.
@@chrisj9700with non-tariff barriers 😂😢 !
I'm a boring Historian so I couldn't help but make that comparison at the time!
The people who say: "this is not the brexit I voted for" never succeed in telling us, what IS the brexit they voted for and how it would be better than the Brexit we have.
If there is a single lesson to be taken from Brexit it is thus; both sides were competence vacuums, our own political class are as venal and incompetent as their continental counterparts.
It's a great opportunity to rebuild in the interest of the wider country rather than the self serving elites who govern it. It's easier to do that here than attempt to reform the unreformable
@cosmos237 Naive nonsense. If anything it has opened the UK population up to unfettered abuse by the ruling class. We're in a race to the bottom!
@@cosmos237The "both sides" argument doesn't work. The British media were constantly pushing the lies that Europe needed Britain more than the UK needed the EU, and that the EU were unreliable liars who hated the UK and were trying to tear it down. Despite this, the EU allowed delays in applying many regulations that were a consequence of BREXIT, while the UK never adequately prepared.
When we left the EU we had the opportunity to deregulate and cut taxes on fuels and energy which would of caused a surge of new buisness opportunities and given new life to British manufacturing. We had the opportunity to rebuild the countries fishing industry. Instead we got a sell out half way house that has given us very little. It hasn't however caused any of the recent economic pain all western countries have faced.
@@ricardosmythe2548 Can I ask why you think the Tory party who were led by Boris Johnson, one of the most pro Brexit politicians, with a cabinet packed with pro Brexit campaigners, a party purged of almost every significant pro remain MP and a massive parliamentary majority meaning he could essentially pass whatever legislation he wanted for the majority of the post Brexit time we have had….. suddenly elected NOT to do any of those things?
The ego is mightier than the sword. Just ask any brexiteer.
I cant imagine where the pen sits in their pecking order.
The brain is miniscule ask any resident of Remoantardia 🙄
@@cosmos237😂😂😂😂 2 thirds.... 😂😂😂😂
Lost the argument 😂😂😂
@@cosmos237At least we are now a fully sovereign nation with full control of our laws and Borders. I mentioned this to my wife after her company moved to Hungary because of operating costs and she lost her job. Told her the upside is now you can do more house work. 😊
@@stephenjon3502 always look for the positives. Cleaning jobs are plentiful anyway...
I am not convinced the EU has asked us back and secondly the terms we would get would be inferior to what we had !
Exactly. The UK can forget about keeping the pound.
You can smell the entiltlement and delusion.
That' because the EU hasn't "asked" the UK back. It's just a personal opinion of a politician. EU has no practice of inviting anyone. EU isn't into red carpet thingies.
UK is farther down the line(yes there is a line) then Ukraine and Ukraine looks at about a decade even if the stars align for it.
We would like you back, to our conditions, not to your ancient conditions.
There will be no invitation. In truth EU were glad to see you go. 45yrs of whinging. Goodbye.
It's so cute to see the brunette lady say that we could surely get the same membership deal again.
British exceptionalism never falters.
Schengen and euro or else. ✌️
The EU wants kosovo and Ukraine , they have Estonia ,Latvia ,Lithuania , portugal , Greece ,Slovenia, Croatia, etc etc etc .......
Of course they want a country equal to France and Germany .
Imbecile
Agreed. It will be full membership excluding the opt outs or an associate status of some kind without any voting rights or influence on decision making and with less Eu funding for deprived areas which we used to have.
@@globalist1990 I think we can do what other countries have done, which is have a general commitment to eventually join euro.
A wink and a nod that both sides know we’re not actually going to do
@@freddysw if you pay for the privilege, sure, why not?
Jim Shannon defends Brexit then lists a load of downsides for his area! Sums up the complete madness that Brexit has become.
dup just see it as a means of forcing a hard british border in ireland. its backfired spectacularly
Isn't he the fella that said 'grey squirrels are the Hamas of the squirrel world'?
Poor ole Jim was never the sharpest knife
The DUP were properly mugged and if wee Jim is their cream as an MP, I can see how they were so easily duped. He is as sharp as a bag full of marbles.
Jim isn't very clever
The Northern Ireland politician spoke glowingly about how his constituents voted for overwhelmingly for Brexit. His reasoning was that they should have the right to fish as much as they want, and didn't like Brussels sticking their nose into their affairs. This guy, who looks like his 80ish, wants to fish until the seas are depleted of any life. Live now, don't care about tomorrow. These are the fools, people who are of another age, filled with racial animus who pushed for Brexit. Now, the UK is paying the price of leaving the largest economic block in the world. At least Ireland remains in the EU.
You are right pal, they voted because of hate in their hearts
Never forget that the DUP saw Brexit as a way to destroy the Belfast Agreement. Forget all the wittering on about fish, all they ever wanted was the NI/ROI border safely back in place. He may look like a fairly jolly grandfather, underneath that mask though...
Northern Ireland voted to remain in EU.
@@gerardodwyer5908tell the DUP that.😊
It was the Irish immigrants that voted for Brexit.
Christian protestant cities like Glasgow ,Liverpool and Manchester all voted to stay paddy .
THE EU HAS ABSOLUTELY NOT INVITED YOU BACK IN ! The U.K. could not rejoin the European Union without the full agreement of all the other member states. If even one vetoes the UK's application, and at the moment four states have publicly expressed opposition, then you stay out. You voted to leave and we don't want you back until or unless you are prepared to fully embrace the European Ideal.
Exactly! Infuriating listening to this arrogant panel, we don’t want them back!
@@paula5440
It's like listening to a group of bald men fighting over a comb 😢
Thàts false, its in the news paper. The head of the EU said the UK should come back.
Which member states might those be if I may ask
We don't want your future islamic County back@@jaydowg1914
“This is the brexit I voted for.” I hear this from time to time and my response is always the same, it’s the brexit I voted against. People who voted leave contributed to the greatest single harm done to this country in my lifetime. It was an act of utter madness based on ignorance/simplistic thinking
How ?
The problem is that sociodivisionist isolationists fail to recognize the benefits of being within a familial group of nations until their civilization starts to disintegrate around their naivety. The Tory party is - as are the Republicans - intrinsically sociodivisive.
@@alim3611educate yourself and look around
What harm. Please name one
@@alim3611look around you how is happening.
Companies leaving our shores
Fishers going out of business
Exports going down and getting more expensive
Imports more expensive or stopped
Staff shortages everywhere especially manual labour
Yes inflation is in that but our economy is much worse than other countries are much much worse
Im a graphic designer, I have six clients that import and export, all say brexit has damaged their business. I'm yet to hear one positive comment about Brexit in over 7 years from them.
I love the comment on Brexit 'I didn't inhale'.
@@johnmurphy9550 what did you export and what was your company name. Id like you to specify the product that you sold and point out the country or countries that were easier to export to. All the companies I deal with now say it is harder to export than before - so you really aren't convincing me at all.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 put simply - yes- I have many friends in Advertising that say the same - so a definite yes. If you don't think there has been a change for the worse, your just in denial.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 17,410,742 people voted leave, which is a very long way off "over half the country". Accuracy matters if you're going to attempt to quote stats.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Not half of the countries population. 17.4 million seriously misguided, misinformed people (and a campaign financed with black money of dubious pedigree) that didn't know what they were voting for vs the other 50 million people in the country who voted against, did not vote, or could not vote. Barely an absolute majority by any measure. Real democracy is something that is voted on over and over, not the equivalent of a one of vote for a dictator.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 "...so I will say it again, over half this countries eligible voters chose to leave the EU". Except that isn't what you said.
Straight away, we are talking about our special requirements and exceptions, just for us. All it takes is one of the 27 countries to say no, and why would they allow a new member in who wants better terms than the existing members. Spoiler alert, you wouldn’t.
I’m not so sure, the leaders of the eu like everyone else realise that there are severe challenges approaching for everyone in the coming future and a GB as a part of Europe, as a committed partner, strengthens the EU. The Brits just need to put the crazies back into the hole they crawled out off and ask to return, simple.
Pun intended
Romania and Poland specifically. How ironic. 🤣
You wouldn't be a committed partner for one thing, as demonstrated by your request for exceptions. Plus any number of other existing member countries could/would object asking for the same special deal as the UK in order to secure their vote.
There is no pressure or even interest from the public within the EU to bring the UK back in. The rest of the EU has moved on. Yes, the EU commission would like to see it one day, but they play a long game and want all of the European countries within the EU, one day. @@cristosl
@@chrisashton9218 I am aware of the difficulties, I'm not dismissing the points you raise. But it will not be nations like Poland or Romania who will decide the issue it will be Germany and France, yes those other nations will protest yes they can and will obstruct as they see it in their national interest and yes hard and complex negotiations will need to be held. And as you've rightly pointed out the goal is a united Europe because without it Europe faces a long slow descent into irrelevance. Things seem impossible until they're not
Easy way for Greece to get the Elgin Marbles back.
Ian Dale admitting that he was high on Brexit? Now waiting for him to apologise and actively start undoing damage he was a part in causing.
Don't hold your breath...😒😒😒😒
I don’t like his voice
He thought there was a cherry picking Brexit.....and the EU said....No..😂
So, explain this 'damage' Brexit has caused? I've asked this question many times and none of you EUfanboys ever gets back. I know why of course.
Surprise me with an answer.
As if.
Dale is an utter muppet
Imagine anyone who voted for Brexit trying to explain "Political reality" to anyone else. Should immediately be a diqualifier for any serious political discourse.
Imagine anyone who has seen Lagarde, Juncker and Von Der Lyen all embroiled in serious scandals in their domestic politics then finding themselves parachuted into senior positions in the EU, and thinking this is the government for me. Imagine thinking these people are to be trusted. Imagine that 🙄
Have you seen how corrupted the government of brexiteers is? Brexit is a failure and must be udone: get over it
@@cosmos237 Imagen needing to resort to slander to justify your political choices while being delusional enough to think we have any kind of moral highground to judge others.
Wow how superior you are that only your opinion matters 😂 Narcissistic attitude that.
i'm a remainer and i'm all for britain becoming an eu member again as soon as possible... nevertheless, i'm also aware that the tory governments since 2010 have misused our ancient (ancient = not fit for purpose) political system for there own ends, brexit being an example of this, and for the moment i think reforming our political system is actually even more important than returning to the eu... britain urgently needs proportional representation...
Exactly...the EU helps shield each state, to some extent, from bad governance. That's why many political groups wanted to leave, so they could run the show to thier agenda
Agreed - another fundamental change would be to change our tax system to tax assets and not work.
Leftists hate it when democracy doesn’t go their way.
the EU is BAD governance,thats why we left,nobody gave permission to merkel to do what she did@@martywest6004
👏👏👏👏👏👍
The irish DUP guy contradicted himself 5 times in the span of 3 minutes
A DUP politician contradicting himself 5 times in 3 mins? No, that can't be true… /s
He's just thick
The DUP are typically used to saying No! (And little else.)
Normal 😂
lol the DUP guy upset he was duped
Von der Leyen didn't offer the British anything, it was her personal opinion.
I suggest British ppl try to read/ watch news when it comes to EU from other countries. Uk news always suggests EU wants UK back , but the EU do not care about UK . EU never tried to stop UK leaving either. UK became laughing object in Europe. There's been an interview between EU member and UK politician not so long ago and even then EU member expressed that they don't care if UK come back or not .
The thing about that is that it punishes remainers while most leavers are very happy not to be invited back.
@@Lifelongloser See? You're out and you're glad. You're out and the EU's glad. Everybody's happy. Only difference is, their happiness is justified.
@@Lifelongloser They are not punishing anyone, they no longer take British concerns to mind. Why bother spending energy on what to do with a former member that has already left when you are working for 450 million other Europeans and are working on active negotiations for accession for Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and North Macedonia and in the early stages with Bosnia and Herzegovina and Georgia. When the UK wants to join that list and reopen the debate they will knock at the door, the EU politician until that time will spend 5 minutes of his year think about the UK. Remainer or Brexiteer, it is irrelevant to the EU
The idea that the UK can rejoin with the same deal as before is sheer fantasy. The EU should insist that the UK joins the Euro, Schengen and be 100% in. No special deals, no favours.
No thanks
I still, seven and a half years later, find it astonishing that people were taken in by the deceitful and unfeasible "promises" of the Leave campaign.
Eager to don the jackboots already? Believe it or not; not all of us voted leave based on the bs spouted.
I voted leave for my own reasons and I'd do it again.
@@The_Phoenix_SagaWhat were your reasons? But know that if your answer is that you don't need to say, you immediately lose the debate
@The_Phoenix_Saga OK. You may be a lawer who has made a fortune out of this, you maybe a Russian oligarch who has achieved the aim of separating the UK from the EU. Apart from that, I can't think of anybody who would be happy with BREXIT.
@@The_Phoenix_Sagayou'd vote to make us poorer again, well done you.
@@markshirley01 Psh, we've been poor ever since the 30s and the dropping of the gold standard. Europe hasn't fared any either since their "Euro" is based on the same fiscal debt we took up.
You'd vote to have us take on 27 other country's debt again. Well done you.
Jim Shannon is a fine example of Irish political unionism. Out of date, out of touch and thick as champ.
Should Britain accept reversing the damage the Tories have caused? A resounding yes should be in order.
Things will improve when we ban Halal.
And quickly, before they change their mind.
Just wait until the next lot.
Labour backed Brexit too, only the SNP, Liberal Democrats and Green opposed Brexit..
@@samb3783 And that tells you everything about those three parties.
100% in these uncertain times we need all the allies with us.
what an unelectED commision are you for real ..you never voted in and cannot vote out how s that democracy explain
The EU is not our friend.
We voted to leave. Get over it! 😅
@@user-ug8wx5er1w😂 lol I just heard a new word Regrexit. Brilliant! You should call James and explain your argument. I think you’ve got something there. 😅
@@user-ug8wx5er1w they are a better friend than the tories who you love to rim.
@@user-ug8wx5er1w Not any more, not after the way the UK behaved, no.
Why the EU would open any negotiation fro the UK to rejoin, when the UK didn't actually respect half of what was sign during the divorce process? What kind of trust do you expect the EU has to British politicians? Why would they think the UK would keep their word and do what was sign, without trying to renegotiate everything every morning? The probability to not get a UK application vetoed by someone starting from France, is extremely low, IMO.
Which is something which isn't actually discussed by anyone: what the EU could get from accepting the UK back in, apart from Farage type of politician sitting in the EU parliament?
Won't happen in Farage lifetime, nor in any brexiter politician lifetime actually.
I’m a proud Brexit voter. Comments like yours fill my heart with joy! Even if we did look like returning there are enough of us to cause such a commotion that the EU would black ball us. Fabulous.
@lesleywillis6177 'proud brexiters' are declining... you are actually a minority. You don't have as much substance as you think.
The most contentious issue is the single market. The UK being outside of the single market (because of the tories) has invoked major economic damage for us. Being part of the single market was not stated on the ballot paper. The ballot paper specifically asked about EU membership.
Your ignorance and arrogance is what is bringing this country down.
Listening to this debate is like listening to a group of kids debating their plans for a party they’re not invited to. One shakes his head in disbelief…
A lot of Europeans were glad to get rid of the Brits. If they want to return, it will have to be as joiners and not rejoiners, a bit like the West Balkan countries. They will need to satisfy all EU criteria, with no special status, and all EU national parliaments will have to say yes. And to make sure they mean it, and are not just playing the game of "I leave, I return again", they will have to join the Eurozone.
In fact, I personally would not allow the UK full membership again until AFTER they had adopted the euro and acceded to Schengen FIRST. This time, show us you MEAN it. Or don't bother knocking in the first place.
As an American living within a ‘state’, I have no sympathy for the UK. The lady’s comments are soooo smug. It’s difficult to watch. I don’t know if I’d want them back? Too much hassle.
I am a UK citizen. I realise that British people aren't actually interested in the political and social aspects of the EU. Most people are, however, in favour of the single market. The electorate voted to terminate EU membership. However, the tories also terminated our single market participation. That has been the contentious factor.
Although I would prefer to be an EU member, I understand that the rest of the country wouldn't be in favour. As an alternative, I would hope we seek EFTA/EEA membership and join Norway and the rest of the EEA members. Yes I do know what EEA membership entails - no involvement in major decision making, not being subject to the European Court of Justice but having more autonomy over our agricultural and fishery legislation. I think this would be the most rational and legitimate route to regain single market participation. I wouldn't say that all leave voters wanted to abandon the single market, anyway. All leave voters had their individual reason for voting leave. One thing I can be sure of is that they all did not want to be part of a political union anymore (the EU).
Quite right I tend to agree with your point EFTA/EEA membership at most no paying billions into the coffers to fund the corrupt gangsters that run Ukraine and Moldova thank you very much. @@rayc9539
@@rayc9539 But your second proposal would also not be acceptable to the same people who voted for Brexit. What they want is a kind of special deal: ALL the benefits of the EU, with NONE of the drawbacks. And that is kind of what Boris Johnson and his lot promised would happen: no more contribution for the UK to the EU, but still all the tax exemptions on trade, transport etc. And thát is the "Brexit that they voted for", delusional as it is.
Jim Shannon and his party were warned what Brexit would lead to. So he got EXACTLY what he voted for.
Crazy paying top dollar for a horse blanket? Why don’t they just teach all those leave voting fishermen to knit?
Why do the British people think it’s so easy and simple to join the EU.
The EU isn’t going to allow the UK to join just to vote to leave again and again and again.
Not the Brexit he voted for, he wanted the one with Milk, Honey and Unicorns!
ie the world according to cartoons.
The unicorn was ovenready, what against it?
"sunlit uplands" 😂
DUP guy. Supported Brexit. It was so obvious it would lead to an Irish sea border.
I mean, at one point Theresa May bought the DUP off despite the inherent need for an Irish Sea border, so it's not like they have much foresight
He was hoping for a different border….
He got the border we love , foolish fellow.
The EU does not invite countries to join them and they didn't invite the UK specifically. But maybe people in the UK have a different understanding of what an invitation looks like. But be assured that you haven't been offered anything so I wonder what you think you could possibly accept.
The EU has not invited the UK back in
Absolutely. The sooner we are back the better.
Nope. Cope.
They destroyed Britain
The EU has not invited the UK back in..... dream on 😂
l would rather take the side of Russia against the EU.
@@peternicho If you voted Leave you already did.
Leave the uk then
@@NickGroves-fz7in Did that 6 years ago.... best thing I ever did. Enjoy the turnips.....🤡😂
Conservative government needs to give back all the millions of pounds they personally benefit via shell companies during the covid pandemic. That money can then be used to right some wrongs however you can't plunder the bank and then try to use whatever is left over. People need to be held accountable asap.
Totally agree 👍
To leave a decision as complex as Brexit to the 'unwashed masses' was absolutely ludicrous/irresponsible in the first place. They must have known that the inherent racism,insularity and 'fear of the other' would result in an out vote. This suggests to me that politicians and wealthy influences didn't like the fact that the EU was restricting their ability to make dodgy deals to enhance their own finances.
It was offered by Cameron just to stop labour winning in 2015. And when he lost the vote, he resigned, leaving the mess to someone else!
The beneficiaries of the Rothermere Family Trust (Registered in the Cayman Islands) would heartily agree with you. I sincerely doubt that they've ever paid any Income or Corporation Tax on their earnings from ownership of the Daily Mail Group of Newspapers.
You can see where their enthusiasm for Brexit came from.
The referendum was an advisory one and in no way legally binding. Rushing headlong into it without extensive feasibility studies being carried out was the greatest folly. However that happened to ensure the UK offshore banking industry was not subject to the latest EU anti-money laundering and tax evasion regulations!
51.8% of a 70% turnout was never a majority anyway.@@alanbarker2279
Also don't forget people were misled to believe it was the EUs fault that Britain was turning into a shambles at the time. There was so much and still a lot of misinformation.
The DUP wanted a hard Brexit and therefore a hard boarder on the island of Ireland. That was never going to happen
They should have had a pro EU pro Ireland politician from the north of Ireland on that panel as well.
Why? We already voted to leave.
Just need to leave the ECHR now.
@@user-ug8wx5er1w you mean the ECHR that the UK was instrumental in creating? The north of Ireland voted to stay in the EU by the way.
@TG-ts3xn why? If you want to work long hours for low pay, you can volunteer for that without dragging the rest of us into it!
what we are waiting for leaving EU was worst UK decision ever. Back in ASAP !
Best decision we ever made
It is called democracy what woke remainers don't understand
What did these guys in NI expect? They were told repeatedly. You can't run a country on dreams and fantasy, which is what the tried to do. Give NI back to the Republic, we'll take care of it.
Northern Ireland has never been part of the Republic of Ireland, bud. So, logically it can't be 'given back', can it. Only the people of Northern Ireland can decide whether or not they want to leave the Union.
Slainte.
@@jacobcohen9205 Ireland was a colonial possession of Great Britain. There was a war between Ireland and Britain. There was the implantation of Ulster Scots, the Irish famine, etc. etc. . Please get your facts right. It's a horrific past.
Jim Shannon talks about how they didn’t get the Brexit they were promised. The Problem I see with that is that there was never a ratified written policy manifesto on exactly what Brexit would mean, and how it would be carried, although I doubt very much that people like the DUP would ever be content with any outcome of Brexit.
And as for our new trading status? The new trade deals we now have are at best practically worthless if not damaging to our own industries.
But Brexit was a completely bonkers idea from the outset so it shouldn’t be any surprise that it would be enacted with complete incompetence.
They could never say how Brexit would be, because they promised mutual exclusive things to different people. Easy as that.
Jim Shannon sounds delusional. What did he think was going to happen to fisheries? That the fish would breed faster after Brexit?
Brexit is a never ending topic because nobody knows how a perfect Brexit should look like. The EU will not allow that the UK is getting a "cherry picked Brexit" as they always dream off....😂 and therefore the UK will not join within the next 20 years....
There isn't a perfect brexit as the whole thing is moronic
@@jameshutton3960 Exactly!
@@jameshutton3960exactly. For the tories it is to be completely sovereign and strike international trade deals to grow our economy and increase funding in the NHS... lol
What? When? This is completely untrue. The EU did NOT invite the UK to come back. They can apply for membership like any country and then we'll see.... don't get me wrong, I wish the UK had never left, but they chose to. Half of the panelists are delirious. I gurantee that there will be no fast track, nothing like it.
please do not ever come back, annoying people.
Eu, please don’t let it happen until a huge majority in the uk strongly wants this. At least 80%.
The EU might let it happen when not only an overwhelming majority of the UK population is committed not only to the economic side of EU membership but first and foremost the political aspect. The same goes for the political parties in the UK and the media as well I guess. And lets not forget that it could only happen if the EU and its members want it as well. Anyway there are also condions and requirements to be met. And these may have an impact on how much the UK really wants it to happen.
How about 98%
The EU is highly democratic. The commission needs the permission of the EU council to even start talks. And actual approval needs more support than that!
I voted for leaving the EU and I would now vote to re-enter the EU because this government has tried to tear up every law of the land since
Same here.
Does it mean we could then go to EU again freely qnd not be 3rd class citizens?? I cant believe British voted for no freedom of movement for citizens. Of course rich will be let in for as long as they want!!!! 😢😢😢
Glad to hear it, from both of you. Admitting your own mistakes takes a level of maturity few people possess.
Unfortunately, the EU will not have us back.
No chance
What did you think they meant when they said they wanted to take back control?
the EU has not invited the UK. Van der Leien has only said that as far as she is concerned, the UK can rejoin the EU
They didn’t get the Brexit they voted for but they did get the Brexit the remainers warned them about…
Unsurprising English arrogance, already deciding what cherries they will pick in the unlikely event that they would join the EU
😂😂.. Arrogance got me.. 😂😂😂
Not really arrogance - surely whenever, you enter a deal or contract you attempt to get the best terms you can!
@@alanbarker2279 Yes, arrogance, really. The best terms you can get, in terms of being an EU member state, is to become a fully committed member of a union of equals, not a self-important, arrogant country with an insatiable appetite for opt outs that are not shared by other members. It is not a surprise that England's (and I mean England's) departure from the EU came about as a result of its inceesant demand for special treatment.
@@frankoneill5675 It came about due to misinformation and manipulation by a hidden wealthy elite, with their own hidden agenda. The same group continue to spread misinformation through traditional and social media. As your channel was formed in 2022 I rather suspect you of being a part of this...
@@alanbarker2279after ripping up 40 years of a relationship based on a swing of 800k people, why on Earth would the EU trust the UK unless it committed to deep integration?
This really shows how delusional UK politics is, as a European no chance of UK rejoining EU in next 40-50 years
Depressingly DUP contribution shows that real progress in Northern Ireland is equally unlikely
We have to swallow our pride and get back in as soon as as possable
Only brexiteers need to do that.
Not POSSIBLE , definitely will not happen, why would anyone want to give away 12 billion for F all in return
@@johnou.k.3780 You mean like an extra l £30 billion per year in LOST exports to the EU sovereign countries, since Brexit? You mean like the loss of £billions back from the EU into deprived areas of the UK that YOUR Tories promised to replace but did not? What we paid the EU (and by the way we were the EU as much as France or Germany is) was a bargain.
Now here is the new deal which employers believe is a bargain. They can an do import 1,200,000 people from India and Africa etc per year and are able to pay them 20% less per year. This is to make up for the EU people that left due to racism and covid who were doing real jobs and paying tax in the UK, like the NHS for eg. And the reason that this is worse, is that most EU immigrants came with just themselves, The new (Brexit) immigrants bring their families which, unlike EU people did not put undue pressure on our NHS and schools etc. You people actually voted for this. This is the exact Brexit you voted for.
@@johnou.k.3780Still falling for the Bexit propaganda. £12 billion is chicken feed to what we'll lose and have lost already. Where's Uncle Nigel when you need him? 😂
I dont remember any invitation. What is this nonsense.
Yes Absolutely..& take a We made a huge mistake card.
We're bear-y sorry
“This isn’t the kind of Christmas I voted for”. Signed - A. Turkey.
Belarus will never allow the UK to join. They will veto UK membership every time.
And why not ?
Returning to the EU is as Guto says, not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, but I do think it may happen long before Guto Harri departs this world. IF, it happens at all. However, the EU will insist on the UK being a full member and that will include the adoption of the Euro and possibly being part of Schengen, although being separated by the sea, this may in practice be only pragmatic via the Channel Tunnel. By leaving, the UK has forfeited any and all its clout to negotiate any concessions. Also, whilst the economy is in the doldrums and the political mood in the country miserable at the current time and therefore an upswing in support for rejoining, any upturn in the economy and better times will quickly allay a lot of that support. For the people of the UK to want to rejoin in significant numbers that the politicians dare to deal with the 'B' word again, the UK will likely need to suffer from prolonged economic woes and very minimal growth. I've lived long enough to know that better times will come, even by hanging onto the success of others and when they do, the mood changes. In short, the damage has been done.
British exceptionalism is bewildering. Wake up to the reality that the EU doesn't want or need you. GB has a very inglorious history and Brexit is karmic.
I love this stuff. "We got cardboard wings that broke our legs when we jumped off the roof, not the ones we were promised to make us fly like Superman." 😂
How can these people be so totally deluded? They don't know NOTHING about eu. And nothing about uk. How can you get through the compulsry school in any European country and have no knowledge what so ever. Scary.
Somebody comes to build EU together with other members, other comes "to pick the best cherries". 😄😄😄😄😄
NO we are establishing trade bonds with other countries and we are shaping a better prospect than rejoining the EU
The EU has not invited the UK back in. One person in the leadership of the EU has said she would like to see the UK back in the EU one day. One person is not the entire EU
Oh Jim!
Yes, 100% yes, we should never have left to begin with. We should be begging to rejoin.
WHAT ? England go cap in hand to Europe ?
No we don’t want to get back into the EU
Lots of Leave voters on here jumping on to defend their decision but the problem they all going to ultimately have to deal with is that last time this was debated they could say things were going to be better after Brexit and this time we have the massive steaming pile of evidence that we did it and then things have demonstrably gotten considerably worse. Even Farage says Brexit has failed.
Fartage should do like he said "leave the country if brexit is a failure"
@chrislambe400 he tried but nobody wanted to take him in
Can you give examples of what has 'gotten' considerably worse, please?
I'll wait.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Thank you, Seamus, I agree with every point but your eighty billion is an undercalculation. It's more than a hundred and ninety billion. according to JRM.
Slainte
@@jacobcohen9205 Sure, thanks for waiting -
Trade Barriers: The UK's departure from the EU single market and customs union has resulted in the imposition of new trade barriers, affecting the flow of goods and services.
Supply Chain Disruptions: Increased border checks and customs procedures have led to delays and disruptions in supply chains, affecting businesses and industries.
Financial Services: London's status as a financial hub has been challenged, with some financial institutions relocating parts of their operations to the EU to maintain access to the single market.
Fishing Industry: Changes in fishing regulations and access to waters have impacted the UK fishing industry negatively.
Labour Shortages: New immigration policies and restrictions have contributed to labour shortages in certain industries, such as agriculture, healthcare, and hospitality.
Border Issues: The Northern Ireland Protocol has created a de facto customs border in the Irish Sea, leading to tensions and disruptions in trade between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
Tariffs and Customs Duties: The imposition of tariffs on certain goods has increased costs for businesses engaged in international trade.
Compliance Costs: Companies now face additional costs associated with meeting new regulatory requirements for customs, standards, and regulations.
Reduced Access to EU Research Programs: The UK's exclusion from EU research programs has potentially limited opportunities for collaboration and funding in scientific research.
Changes in Student Mobility: Changes in visa regulations and participation in EU educational programs have affected student mobility and academic collaboration.
Economic Uncertainty: The prolonged Brexit negotiations and ongoing uncertainties surrounding the future relationship have contributed to economic uncertainty and affected investor confidence.
Price Increases: Higher costs for imported goods and changes in market dynamics have led to price increases for consumers.
Increased numbers of Asylum Claims: Leaving the Dublin Agreement without replacement returns agreements in place has contributed to large increases in the number of asylum claims to the UK, overflowing immigration processing centres and requiring prolonged and expensive use of hotels to house applicants.
Your turn, now tell me what's gotten better, I'll wait.
WE NEED FREEEE FCKING MOVEMENT
The U.K. will never ever receive unanimous approval from EU members
All we need to do is open the border.
VDL can re-open the question, but it is OBVIOUS that special concessions or opt outs will never be on the table.
Britain has also sold itself to dark money. GCHQ is now run by...Amazon, the NHS is being broken up, the BoE is run by Con Think Tanks, the taxpayer no longer owns anything as it has been sold off to rentiers. It is a mess on a scale of 1979 Britain.
For the EU27 to accept GB's candidature, this has to be accepted unanimously. Ukraine has a far better chance than bankrupt Britain.
It’s a shame that Stella Creasy’s passion for the EU (which I share) is far greater than the value she places on unborn babies. She wants to decriminalise abortion, which would make it possible for an abortion legally to be carried out at any time up to the time of birth.
Run, do not walk back to the EU.
Run where? We are being taken for mugs by every country we have attempted to sign a trade 'deal' with.
@@machidaman Run back to the loving arms of the largest free trading bloc, the European Union. 🇪🇺 Restore hope. Restore prosperity. Restore frictionless/borderless travel and trade.
@@chrisj9700Look around you - we're clearly worse off without them. We were never in the Schengen agreement, but at this point I'd take it to save us from the oncoming, seemingly inevitable economic collapse
No thank you. Go to the Americans or the Chinese please
@@HTOP1982 Unfortunately, your petition has been considered and rejected. The decision to rejoin has been made and is not subject to further review.
We should rejoin as soon as possible
They have not invited the UK back.
Maybe we should rename the Conservative Party as
the Self-Harm Party
or the Illegal Christmas Party
''The right sort of Brexit'' This IS the Brexit.
Brexit is a blessing in disguise for the EU.
The people who voted to leave thought they were voting for less foreigners entering because of freedom of movement, but what we actually got was more illegals and freedom of movent stopped and an opportunity for our young people the opportunity to easily see the rest of the world. Also we had access to the biggest market in the world
And mainly from India, China and the Middle East, I don't think they were too happy with that. 🤣🤦♂️
Not access - we were driving members. One of the "Big Three". UK, Germany and France. We drove the EU in the direction we wanted.
@@petergaskin1811 You were not one of the Big Three. The Big Three refers to the three biggest founding economies of the EEC. The UK being one of the 'Big Three', sitting at the 'Top Table' is a self-aggrandising delusion promoted by A Different Bias. The EU is a proper union , unlike the UK, where the English drive the UK in the direction they alone want.
@@globalist1990 Even I told them that this is what would happen and that lots of Southern Asian British people voted brexit for.
@@stephanguitar9778 i think some at least of minorities voted with a grudge against the European "whites".
The issue is that nobody wants the UK back UNTIL there is a huge political backings from the majority of parties AND even the wast majority of people: at least 2/3 would be needed wanting to join the UK. But the issue is that British Politicans always use the phrase "it's brussels fault" instead of recognizing that's it's their own incompetence.
Invited them back yes there was years ago the phrase that the UK is like every nation welcomed back, but only if they also embrace the European Ideal much more than they did before.
Immigration for example: the UK could simply join forces with other european states and force the EU to accept much rigid custom boarders and controlls, instead they complained and called it's brussles fault, while the UK can't even control their boarder now. Being in the EU means that you also need to invest in the EU politically too.
Quite interesting how this N.I. politician explains why he did not think for one second about the consequences of what he promoted: "I believed in BoJoke and he lied." Oh, really? And you, living in N.I. had no clue at all that a border between GB and the EU would have to be somewhere? Nobody ever told you that? How about you start thinking for yourself before pushing people to vote against their very own interests?
Still these crazy people think they can choose this and that. They havent learned nothing. And do not inderstand the poverty of one sector of the society. They really need to think harder.
The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU, but then I wouldn't expect anything intelligent from a brexiteer
The British people are endlessly confident and proud of how much everyone loves them and looks up to them as the greatest nation.
They are as wrong about this as they were about Brexit.
What about Greece's veto of your rejoining? Poland's veto? So many other veto's??
Sort yourselves out mates.
Why have Jim Shannon on this debate? He only speaks for a small minority of Northern Ireland. A minority that love to see Northern Ireland fail.
100% immediately asap if not sooner
Yeah, the sweet-heart deal is gone, isn't it? We all moved on. So welcome back, full member U.K. Please pay up
No. I believe the EU, although a tad poorer and weaker, is better off. It is better being in no relationship, than a toxic one.
I second that thought we are better off ....the Brits now have no one to blame but themselves
Agreed.
Please tell us how the EU is weaker . Assuming you mean because of Brexit .
@@hughmacfarlane9662 WE are not weaker without the british.......we are more united than ever ......long may it continue ...puting Orban in his place over the Ukraine is an example....KEEP THE BRITISH OUT OF THE EU WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST THEM EVER!!
Please answer my question ?
I don’t think we should rejoin EU . So don’t try it as it was a referendum period
What Brexit were people expecting?
Freedom of movement is a fallacy, basically you can only come to this country if you have a valid job offer, no recourse to public funds and private health care insurance. The uk government was the only EU country who didn’t implement these rules regarding FOM.
Jeez, even after all the hardships which have become apparent, the English are still talking up 'Cherry Picking'.
We want you back, sure. But to EU conditions, not to the conditions that you had before.
EU citizen here:
If the UK wants back in, there must be no more special treatment. That means that the UK will have to go through the entire application process again, right from the start. You also lost your deal regarding your own currency, and regarding staying out of Schengen. It's either full integration, or nothing. Your choice.
I don't think she did, nor does she have the power to do so.
Yes, next question.
Brexit was like a 70 year old boxer deciding to climb back into the ring. The sun HAS set on the British empire. The UK is far too small and weak to go it alone. Brexit was an appeal to the nostalgia of, "We was once the most powerful nation on earff, yeah?"
too small? 6th largest economy in the world.
@@alunevans2377 the UK has foodbanks in EVERY TOWN AND CITY.
@@georgeton4991 I suspect that we are not the only country that has them
This argument that this is not the Brexit we wanted and should have been something else is complete nonsense. It’s basically like saying jumping off the roof was fine but it’s the ground we landed on that’s the problem.