Compare: Bodum, Capresso and Cuisinart Burr Coffee Grinders
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Marc and Morgan from wholelattelove.com review and compare lower cost burr equipped coffee grinders. They take a look at the Bodum Bistro, Capresso Infinity and Cuisinart CBM18. All three are suitable for brewing methods where precise control of very-fine grind sizes (like for espresso) is not critical.
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Bodum Bistro Burr Grinder:
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Capresso Infinity:
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Cuisinart CBM 18:
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Loving this new format: longer, more detailed, more informal videos. Keep up the good work!!!
+ascosta Thanks! Will be getting into high-end grinders like Mazzer, Ceado, Compak, Quamar and more in the next week or so.
Your reviews are great help to us newbies to coffee making
I have been using a bodum blade grinder for the last eight years...it finally died on me, so I purchased the bodum burr grinder and have been using it for the last three weeks....love, love, love it
I've been very happy with my Bodum for years. Easy to clean the chute if it gets plugged.
Good to hear!
I've been using the Capresso grinder for 8 years and it's awesome definatly worth the $80 I paid for it
Hi Steve, Thanks for the comment sharing your experience with the Infinity grinder. It's one of the best in it's price range!
Marc
Great review! Thank you
You're welcome - glad it was helpful!
Lol! I own 2 of these grinders. I've used the Bodum Bistro for 3 years and still like it a lot but when I switched to cold brewing during the summer, it could not grind coarse enough for me without leaving a lot of sediment/sludge behind. I also have the Cuisinart model which, for me, grinds much coarser overall compared to the Bodum. It's great for French press and cold brewing, I don't even use the highest setting as it's too coarse. I use setting #15 which works perfectly. I use the Bodum with my pressurized espresso machine but use a setting about #6, if they were numbered. I switched to an Italian roast coffee and it seems to grind a lot finer so the finer setting I was using before actually clogged my machine and water wasn't able to get through the porta filter! A little bit scary!
I'm looking to get a burr grinder for my Dad on Father's day, so thanks for the video.
Hi JD, You are welcome! What kind of coffee does your father brew? If espresso you may want to consider something better than the grinders compared in this video. Also we are doing a Father's Day giveaway of the very nice Ceado E5P. It's a prosumer level grinder. If you have not entered for your chance to win you can do so here: www.wholelattelove.com/fathers-day-contest/
Just a regular drip coffee maker, but he uses blades for his coffee beans at the moment.
A burr grinder will improve his coffee in a major way! Personally I'd go with the Capresso Infinity: www.wholelattelove.com/grinders/burr?product_brand=893
I'm looking for a grinder that grinds turkish and french press (the only ways I drink coffee at home) and one that won't break the bank. Don't mind manual or electric. Suggestions much appreciated! And great video btw - really informative!
Hi...thr bodum grinder is it good for in espresso machine i got a berville espresso machine 830xl...
It must smell wonderful in there.
Sure does! Nothing smells quite as nice as fresh ground coffee in the morning!!!
Do you think for Bodum Bistro burr grinder I can also remove the glass catcher and just put my sump underneath to catch the grind?
If it fits it should be okay. I have not tried myself but grind into all sorts of non-standard containers when using other grinders.
Hi Marc, I got the Capresso and have trouble trying to get good creama on my espresso from a consumer machine when I DON'T use a pressurize basket. Do you recommend using the finest setting on the Capresso for espresso or somewhere between super fine to fine?
Hi Jaay, What type of espresso machine are you using? I ask because most that come with pressurized basket option (with the exception of a machine like the Gaggia Classic) can be kind of finicky. They tend to have poor temperature stability and most of them use an undersized filter basket. While the Capresso grinder is a good low cost option for use with a pressurized basket it's iffy for use with standard non-pressurized baskets. It lacks the precise grind size control needed for that type of brewing. Also, pressurized baskets kind of fake the crema to some extent by squeezing everything through one tiny little hole. That causes bubbles to form that one can call crema but in actuality it's somewhat different than the crema formed in standard espresso extractions. If your shots are thin and/or coming very fast I'd certainly use a finer grind setting which may help. Also helps to use a quality coffee bean known to be a crema producer if that's what you're after.
Thanks for the detailed reply! I use a Breville BES830XL, and it's true that liquid comes out very fast (about 6-8 second of extraction w/ non-pressurized filter) even when I use the finest grind. I'm using some local beans that I sourced - known to produce good coffee. So could you conclude that perhaps my grind is not fine enough?
I have the Cuisinart Burr Coffee Grinder, when grinding coffee beans, the plastic container doesn't come out clean, some of the coffee sticks to the side of the plastic container like it is a magnet. How can you eliminate this problem?
Hi Freddie, That's static cling and is very common in that type of grinder with a plastic grinds bin. It's related to a number of factors with humidity being a big one and unavoidable to some extent. One thing you can try is placing a few drops of water on the beans just prior to grinding. The water will not compromise the beans in any way. Just don't use too much as going overboard may cause extra gumming of the burrs.
Thanks for the review. Would this capresso grinder pair well with the Capresso EC PRO non pressurized basket? Since that seams to be the only grinder they make for the line
Hi Jason, I'm not familiar with a non-pressurized basket on a machine at the level of the EC Pro. Is it an aftermarket basket/PF? It could be used I suppose but limited grind size control is more suited to use with a pressurized basket.
0:17....Why not use "blade" coffee grinders? Will you please elaborate? thanks!
Hi SC, Blade grinders tend to hack coffee into random size particles ranging from dust to chunks. This leads to uneven extraction of flavors. The dust size particles over-extract while larger chunks under-extract. Another problem is heat. In a blade grinder all the coffee being ground is heated due to friction for the entire time it is being ground. In a burr grinder, once coffee is ground to size it exits the grinder as new beans are fed in. This results in less heating of the grinds. overheating grinds during grinding results in flavor loss.
So if I understand correctly, a steel blade is a no-no, but a STEEL burr is ok, then? It's not a steel vs ceramic thingy?
Very helpful video. Noise is a big factor in my search for another coffee grinder so the Infinity clearly is best regarding this. The video however is a few years old now and perhaps you could point me in the direction of a similar machine or even possibly this is still the most suitable? The slower grinding of the beans make a lot of sense also with burning of the bean. Tim Marshall
Hi Tim, Thanks for the comment and question. At this price I still recommend the Infinity. Next level up is the Baratza Encore: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder Better build quality and larger burrs.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi! I'm wanting to buy a grinder for a friend as a Christmas gift. Love the Encore and have one, but it is outside of my gift budget. Is the Capresso Infinity still the entry-level winner?
I currently have a bodum amd I love it is except it is so loud in the morning! I hear the caspresso was mich quieter. I can sorta hear it in the video but would say that it's noticably quieter?
A little bit quieter
Hi Marc, Thank you for the helpful video! I'm in Canada, where the Capresso does not have warranty coverage so it is out of the question for me. Between the other two, do you think the Bodum is worth the higher price? It is $120 on amazon here compared to $65 for the Cuisinart. I will be mostly using it for an Aeropress and Moka pot. Looking for consistency in grind and also easy clean-up. Thanks!
Do you think the bodum would grind enough for using a moka pot/stove top espresso? Looking for something better than my blade grinder but affordable. Thanks!
Hi CS, It can work for moka pot but not the best choice. I'd far prefer the Capresso Infinity.
Marc
Which would you suggest for a low end espresso machine? Specifically the De'Longhi icon a vintage 310.Bg ?
Of the 3 in this video I would go with the Capresso Infinity. It's not going to keep up with more expensive grinders but is espresso capable to some extent.
Similar to Philip's requirement, between Capresso Infinity and Baratza Encore, which one would you choose for low end espresso machine? Thanks
Would the bodum be suitable for a depressurized basket on a gaggia classic?
We would not recommend the Bodum grinder for brewing espresso in standard non-pressurized filter baskets. If looking for a good value in a reasonably capable grinder you might consider one of the Breville models linked here: www.wholelattelove.com/grinders/burr?brand=Breville&sort=featured
Oh wait! I think I got it now. Sorry, I haven't had my coffee yet! Lol. The burr rolls out (or exits the bean out) instead keeps getting re chopped like a blade would do, right? So my next question is: Which is better material for the burr...steel vs ceramic? Thanks again!
Hi Sylvia, So burr grinders use either steel or ceramic burrs. Pros and cons to each. Ceramics tend to stay sharper longer and some feel they produce a slightly better flavor. But that better flavor is a highly subjective opinion. Of more importance in my opinion is durability. Ceramics are brittle. One little stone or other hard object can break a ceramic burr. Steel burrs are more forgiving of foreign objects - they will not shatter. And while ceramics stay sharper longer, steel burrs can grind hundreds of pounds of coffee before wearing out. In lower cost grinders the steel burrs will most likely outlast the motor. In professional level grinders (most all of which use steel burrs by the way) burrs often don't need replacement until after grinding 1,000 - 2,000 pounds of coffee.
Hod does the Bodum grinder fare with natural process coffee? For a pour over specifically.
Hi Jesse, Thanks for the question. Don't think it would be any different than any of the other grinders here. My only thought is natural process coffee might be more likely to have foreign objects (sticks, stones, etc) in the mix.
I have a breville bambino plus with pressurized baskets. Which of these grinders do you recommend? I’m on a budget!
Hi caroline, Thanks for the question. I'd go with the Capresso Infinity: www.wholelattelove.com/products/capresso-infinity-plus-conical-burr-coffee-grinder-in-black
It's a cut above the others.
Marc
whats the best setting on the cuisinart for cold and french press.. Which notch I should say
+Raymond Luciano Tough to recommend a specific notch as actual size varies a bit from grinder to grinder. Even on the same make/model. Check out this video for some good advice on setting grind size and how grind size adjustments affect flavor:
Grind Size by Coffee Brewing Method: ua-cam.com/video/bgJ8E6e8rko/v-deo.html
"actual size varies a bit from grinder to grinder" That's some great info, and it makes sense too.
I have the Cuisinart and find it very messy. Are either of the other two better on this front?
Hi David, Of these grinders I prefer the Capresso Infinity.
Thanks for the great review!! I'm new to my new favorite brew; the cold brew. What grinder of the three reviewed would recommend for cold brewing? What would you recommend in the sub $150.00 range? I'm not opposed to a manual grinder since a cold brew can keep for a couple weeks and I won't have to grind that often. Cheers
Hi SP, Thanks for the comment and you are welcome. Of the 3 in this video I prefer the Capresso Infinity. As you're probably aware, cold brew uses a coarser grind so really anything that is not a blade grinder should do. You might also consider the Baratza Encore. A slightly better build quality than grinders in the video: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder
For manual grinders you can check out a bunch here: www.wholelattelove.com/grinders/manual-coffee-grinder
My favorite is the ROK grinder. It's a little out of your price range but is a pleasure to use with it's long vertically oriented crank compared to manual grinders with short horizontal ones.
Whole Latte Love thanks. that is a big help. now on a little pricier pic; was do you think about the Kitchenaid grinder?
Can't give opinion on Kitchenaid as I have not used.
Hi Marc - big fan of your videos and the way you explain all things espresso. I am still fairly new to "real" espresso and love my Gaggia Classic and recently got the Bodum as grinder for it. You never really mention why they aren't really recommended for anything above entry level grinding? Is the finest settings not fine enough? It's pretty good as far as I can tell :-)
Hi DK, Thanks for the comment. For espresso this type of grinder is really only appropriate in our opinion for use with a pressurized filter basket. Congrats on the Classic! By far our favorite machine for those just getting onto espresso! Blows away other entry level machine which use undersized PF and pressurized filter baskets. These grinders may get fine enough. The real problem is making very minor fine adjustments to grind size. There are others like a wider range in particle size and drift in size between grindings. This is not a huge issue if you happen to be using the pressurized baskets with your Classic. But when you get into things a bit more the grind will limit you.
Whole Latte Love Thanks for the response - mine is the European version so only got it with the pressurised basket but bought a non-pressure and am using it now. Thanks for the advice - will use this setup for some time and next Gear might be a new grinder then
You are welcome!
Marc- I make my coffee in an Aeropress. Someone advise me on CoffeeGeek that the Capresso Infinity is a great grinder, but it has a large grinding chamber, and holds nearly a tablespoon of grounds from the previous grinding. This means that if one is grinding for only a single serving, it will always be with mostly stale coffee (or, at least, not fresh ground).
All things being equal, would you get the Capresso Infinity or the Baratza Encore? Thanks!
Hi BZ, Thanks for the question. The Infinity has been around for awhile and is a good choice for brewing methods like drip, press etc. As for grind retention. Just about every grinder available will retain some grinds between cycles - even $1,000+ commercial espresso grinders. Between the Infinity and Encore my choice would be the Encore. It's a little more robust. If looking for zero grind retention a couple of options. First the ROK Grinder. It's our favorite manual grinder. With a long crank and vertical motion it's very easy to use - a lot easier than hand grinders with short horizontal cranking motions: www.wholelattelove.com/products/the-rok-coffee-grinder
For zero retention in a plug in grinder the relatively new Baratza Sette grinds straight thru: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-270-conical-burr-grinder It's a sought after grinder and in short supply at the moment but production is starting to catch up with demand.
To get around grind retention with other grinders a lot of folks just grind for a few seconds and discard that coffee.
Thanks Marc!
bang zoom
You're welcome - my pleasure to assist!
it does retain however you can just pickup and tilt forward and give it a tap and a shake. It all comes out.If I put 20 grams in and grind when i fill the filter with coffee it measures 20 grams.
On a fine setting it comes out clean but on a coarser setting it comes out half bean chaff.
Luv conical grinders! our Bodum has an actual "glass" receptacle to collect the grounds... it isn't plastic like the others in this review. we find glass to be especially nice B'cuz there is less static-electric build up of grounds clinging to the sides.. and top.. and bottom.. and everything else :) makes clean-up easy. it is also round, which allows u to use jst about any receptacle ur lil'heart desires! the comment that this grinder may heat up coffee grounds is questionable, to say the least :) the only con (in my opinion) is u need a long bristle brush to get down into the deep crevasse for a thorough cleaning, but this is typical of all the grinders we have ever used (at home)
Hi Amanda, Thanks for sharing your experience!
just use a vacuum hose over the bottom burr. works great on my Capresso.
Very detail. Better than the Seattle coffee gear. TKS.
Hi F of M, Thanks for the comment. We make it a point to be as detailed as possible.
What about the consistency of the granual sizes? I'm interested in using coarse grounds for french press.
Any of these grinders are a good choice for french press. In fact, just about any burr grinder will do. As you go up in price grinders tend to be more consistent in particle size - but not by much. Just stay away from blade grinders which hack coffee up into random size bits.
Whole Latte Love OK, got it, I was thinking about the Cuisenart and heard somewhere that the lower level burr grinders were so inconsistent they made for bitter coffee in a press.
Of the three my favorite is the Capresso Infinity. Due to the nature of grinding it's very difficult/impossible to not get some fines when grinding in course ranges. The Capresso grinds a little slower than the others. IMO the torque applied to the beans is lower resulting in less shaving/shattering of beans and fewer fines. To my ear the capresso sounds much smoother than the others - the Cuisinart is down right loud!
Whole Latte Love OK Thanks for your help. I'm a newbie to coffee snob bin' )lol) and would hate to waste money. :-)
superque4
Anytime! :)
I am looking at all three of these and have a De Longhi BAR 32, but my concern is are any of them good enough for espresso grind? Or must one pay big dollars and avoid these budget grinders..
Hi Johnny, That Delonghi uses a pressurized portafilter so grind is a lot less critical than it is in standard non-pressurized filter baskets. With your machine, it's the filter basket restriction that builds up the pressure of espresso brewing and not the coffee puck. With that said you can get away with one of these grinders with that type of machine. My favorite of the bunch is the Capresso Infinity. Keep in mind that if you should someday upgrade to a machine which uses a non-pressurized basket you will want a more capable grinder.
Gotcha. I think I will forward think this and just cough it up now for the Breville Smart. Was going to go with the Encore but complaint is it's still not quite fine enough for good espresso machine (which I will eventually have).
@@JohnnyLREACTS hi...so the bodum is a good choicefor a breville espresso machine?
@@sifoubro5655 I'm not sure I went with the Breville Smart Grinder Pro and it has been amazing for me. Never looked back..
No love for the percolator? Would be lost w/o my 1950 GE Potbelly! Did you notice one that performed best on a medium grind with low "dust" content?
Hi Richard, Thanks for the question. Unlike me, my wife loves perked coffee. My hatred comes from the 2 weeks I spent in hospital with severe burns on my rear end. When I was 5, I crawled under the cord of a percolator that was sitting on a table and plugged into the wall. That was in 1971 and the percolators back then ran quite a bit hotter! Probably similar to your GEAs for the grinders best here is the Infinity. For near the same price the Baratza Encore will do a little better: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks! I appreciate it!
Hi, I am looking for a budget grinder under $ 100 for my delonghi espresso machine. Can you recommend me any electronic burr grinder? Can mand grinders be used for espresso? thank you!
Hi t, Thanks for the question. Your Delonghi uses a pressurized filter basket so you can get away with a less capable steped grinder. Pressurized baskets do not produce the espresso quality of a non-pressurized filter basket fed by a higher quality grinder but are more forgiving of grind size that's not perfect. The Capresso Infinity is my favorite at that price point: www.wholelattelove.com/products/capresso-infinity-plus-conical-burr-coffee-grinder-in-black
Marc
@Whole Latte Love Thank you very much for your response! I think of buying Carpesso grinder and wanted to hear your opinion
Comparing the Bodum to the Cuisinart, which one has a finer grind suited for espresso? The Capresso is not available for me. Going to use it on a Gaggia Classic.
Hi MV, Thanks for the question. Honestly, I don't think either is a good choice for espresso unless brewing in a pressurized filter basket.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage roger, thank you.
hello! i’m looking for a sufficient grinder to pair with the DeLonghi EC155M Espresso Machine (w/ pressurized portafilter). i’ve been comparing the Bodum Bistro to the Cuisinart Supreme Grind (DBM-8). would you recommend spending the little bit of extra money for that finer grind on the Bodum? or could i get away with the slightly cheaper DBM-8 and still get the same results? thanks!
side note: the machine itself runs for around $100 and is pretty entry-level and beginner (i’m just starting out). also, i’ve found that the Bodum is on sale for around $75 dollars right now on the Bodum website, the Cuisinart, as you know, normally runs for about $60. so the Bodum is only $15 more, but i’m trying to save the most i can. i also want to specify that the Cuisinart grinder i’m referring to if from a separate review, just in case you missed that. thanks again!
Hi Jackson, Thanks for the question. Pressurized filter baskets are forgiving as far as grind size so I'd say go with ewhat best fits your budget.
Marc
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Whole Latte Love cool, thank you for the info!
I thought with burr grinders you needed to have the machine grinding when you adjust the grind?
+Alex R Hi Alex, It depends on the level of the grinder to some extent. It's always okay to adjust to a more coarse setting with just about any grinder. On prosumer level grinders it's not a big deal to adjust a little finer without the grinder running. For super-automatic machines with built-in grinders going more coarse is okay without running, but adjusting finer should only be done with the grinder running. The smaller the grinder and burrs, the more stress on components - and that can cause trouble when adjusting finer which essentially has to crush any coffee left between the burrs. On cheaper grinders (sub $500) we recommend running the grinder when adjusting finer. It's a risk if you don't, but you can get away with it.
any suggestion between the capresso or the baratza encore? I've heard of issues with long term usage.
Depends on your brewing method. We would not recommend either of those grinder for espresso unless using a pressurized portafilter for entry-level. But for other brewing methods which are less critical on grind size either is okay. With more info on your brewing method, frequency, experience level, etc We can suggest some grinders to suit your needs.
Whole Latte Love Not doing espresso at all. Mainly presses and poor overs. Looking for something that will get me a good grind for that kind of home brewing and was deciding between the Encore and the Infinity.
Contrail4
If it were me, I'd go the extra $30 and go with the Encore. It has a more powerful motor and 40 grind settings vs. 16 on the Infinity. Both have lots of plastic but it's a more robust plastic used on the Encore. If it helps here is a link to a side by side spec comparison of the grinders: www.wholelattelove.com/product_comparisons/show?products%5B%5D=jura-capresso-infinity-burr-grinder-stainless-steel-abs-plastic-finish&products%5B%5D=baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder
Whole Latte Love Thanks!
Contrail4
You're most welcome!
Hi Marc. Amazing video. Do you think any of this grinders grind fine enough for a manual coffee machine ( La Pavoni). Thanks.
Hi JE, Thanks for the comment and question. The Infinity can go fine enough but it does not have the precise grind size adjustment needed to get the most out of your machine. It's also rather tedious to use for espresso grinding. Grinding into a bin and then dumping into a Portafilter is a PITA. With espresso grinders there's a wide range of models and prices. On a limited budget there are more "appliance" like grinders like the Breville Smart Grinder Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/breville-bcg820bss-smart-grinder-pro a step up from that is something liker the Baratza Sette series: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-sette-270-conical-burr-grinder Above those you get into larger burrs with stepless grind size adjustment and prosumer level build quality. Something like the Ceado E5P is the entry into that realm: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder. Hope that helps! Marc
Well, I have a blade grinder, and it's pretty fast meaning the grinded coffee will heat up a little, but I give it just short bursts. That way it won't heat up too much. It was really cheap too, nowhere near 100 bucks so more economical. These ones in the video are super nice though.
Hi TM, Thanks for the copmment. The issue with blade grinders is an inconsistency in grind size. Everything from larger chunks to fine powder. This leads to a very uneven extraction of flavors from the grinds and an unbalanced cup. Some of the coffee is over-extracted and some is under-extracted. Not a problem for some coffee drinkers, but for most there is a distinct flavor difference in coffee made with grinds from a blade grinder. Also presents problems in brewing methods which do not use a paper filter like espresso and press.
James Hoffmann capresso grinder
WHAT KIND OF MONSTER SIMPLY DUMPS COFFEE ON A COUNTER TOP!?
I had to look away, but it's like a train wreck. You have to look.
Has anyone tried at putting the beans in a muslin bag, pounding them with a hammer to break them up, and then putting the broken pieces into a mortar and pistol to grind them by hand to the desired fineness?
Hey Fred, While that sounds like fun(?) It's likely to produce a very inconsistent coffee particle size resulting in unbalanced flavor extraction.
@@Wholelattelovepage I may be in the minority, but unbalanced flavor extraction in my opinion is the key to robust rich flavor.
@@fredbloggs6080 Being in the minority is okay! I'll never tell anyone what they should like
@@Wholelattelovepage it may explain why I, and apparently a good number people, like the coffee produced by the Cuisinart DBM-8, noisy as it is, even though it produces a good number of fines. I am tried the Fellow Ode Gen 2, the OXO conical burr grinder, and the IZpresso ZP6 conical hand grinder, in attempting to find out why my coffee wasn't coming out right--it turned out to be a combination of a bad batch of coffee from my supplier plus probably mostly my coffee maker was not making good coffee anymore after two or three years. When I got new coffeemakers, a Technivorm Moccmaster KBGV Select and one of the same as before (Cuisinart DCC 3200), and a new batch of coffee, I got better coffee, but not from the conical grinders--especially the $200 ZP6 hand grinder, I haven't been able to get anything tastes good. I had returned the Fellow Ode Gen 2 after two days before I got a chance to fully test it, but from my limited testing it gave a clean tasting brew, but not with as rich flavor is I was used to. I returned it because, aside from the couple times the beans got stuck in the hopper, the auto shut off would shut it off leaving about a tablespoon of beans, so I would have to turn it on again to finish. Because is promoted as a single dose grinder with auto shut off, I thought it was a flaw, especially in a machine of that price, so I returned it.
Update: I just got a decent brew using the OXO, after adjusting the grind a little finer, using my perfected method with the Mochamaster. I'm try to tweak it a little more but it doesn't not quite the full flavor profile of the Cuisinart grinder. What I find works best with the Moccmaster is that I purchase the CoffeePilot spray head insert that sits on top of that filter basket, and without that in place, after experimenting I find that removing the carafe and letting the water build up in the coffee in the filter basket for 40 seconds, then replacing the carafe to let it drain out, works best.
What about grinding for Moka pots?
+Jordan E Should be fine for moka pots
So espresso and Moka pot grind would be the same then?
Jordan E
Very similar. Moka pot is more forgiving of grind and inconsistent particle size. For espresso, grind is critical. Espresso is pulled at higher pressures. Typically around 9bar. It's the finely ground coffee which creates the pressure. Moka pots work at much lower pressure usually 2-3bar so finely tuning grind size is not as critical.
Little info on the bodum: the soft touch plastoc turns to a sticky mess after a couple years. Thats kinda sad for a machine that you would use for years and years.
why don't the manufacturers have the grinder speed as part of the specs. It hink this is important
Hi Keith, the Baratza Encore is 450rpm, Capresso Infinity 420rpm. So at least Baratza and Capresso publish those specs. Judging by sound the Breville is similar in speed. Here's a link to more detailed specs for the Baratza and Capresso in side by side comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/product_comparisons/show?products%5B%5D=baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder&products%5B%5D=jura-capresso-infinity-burr-grinder
No info on the consistency of grind. My internet is slow and I can't play at high resolution
Hi Sam, Consistency is good for there than espresso grinding.
Marc
Why not use them on higher end espresso machines?
Hi Q, Thanks for the question. These grinders don't have the precise grind size control and grind quality required to live up to the potential of higher end espresso machines.
Marc
Can he be an audiobook narrator? or a guided meditation voice over? very calming voice
Hi pt, thanks for the kind comment!
Marc
I have several grinders, some blade grinders are better than others so its not fair to say you shouldnt use any of them. The right blade style and pulsing can give you very consistent grounds and flavor compared burr grinders.
Hi Monkey, Thanks for your comment. I must respectfully disagree with your opinion in regards to blade grinders. Just have never been able to get a consistent particle size from one. Also tend to heat up the grinds. You mention some are better than others. Which one have you had good results with? Let us know and we'll try and test.
only way to test is use a Kruve sifter.
Much better assessment of these burr grinders than the others. i was interested in noise levels as I have a Mr Coffee burr grinder that is extremely loud. I'm up early and I have to grind in the garage to protect myself from angry family members. I assumed that all burr grinders would have gear reduction, like macerating juicing machines. That is not the case. I cannot justify spending >$200 for a coffee grinder so I am buying a Capresso Infinity as it does have gear reduction and is pretty quiet. Also there is the opinion that the higher speed grinders over-heat the coffee and that's just wrong!
Hi Troy, Thanks for the comment. The Infinity is definitely quiter than the others and spins at lower RPMs. I think most that complain about overheat are in relation to high-speed grinders that are grinding pounds of coffee at a go. These do get fairly warm and that heat may effect coffee's finished flavor - but that a very subjective thing. For home use it's rather unlikely enough heat is generated in typical grinding to have much of an effect.
Whole Latte Love T
Troy . . . i agree wit ur comment about these home conical grinders "overheating" coffee!? this has not been our experience. but we only grind a cup or two at a time... maybe the reviewer is grinding 100's of pounds of coffee non-stop from sun up till sun down? but yeah, to say these home grinders over heat coffee is kinda/sorta misleading. i'am still laughing at the thot' of angry family members chasing u out of the house for grinding coffee.... thats hilarious:)
look at the facility with which he throw away café!
Hi BM, A sacrifice to the coffee gods - lol!
Capresso infinity was the only one he Used prior to the video. It was obvious he like that one from the very beginning and he like that one before any of the results came in. As a result came in he told you what the results were before they came in.
and yet people still made their own decision after watching the video. How about that...
Hacked my $60 Mr Coffee burr grinder to do espresso ;)
I just added shim to the top Burr took 5 min saved me hundreds of dollars
no more French Press but who cares
Hi HOB, Interesting hack. Hopefully the motor can handle the increased stress/higher power requirement of finer grinding.
Marc
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Eh, the motor I'm not really worried about, it's really a monster and sounds like it too lol, but honestly I could care less the reliability of it, it is a horrible appliance...let me explain.
It has other issues, the top burr has so much play as to make consistency a joke. Too many fines and powder with too many boulders.
I recant my original statement. I didn't save hundreds of dollars, but I made it possible to enjoy a passable true espresso for that 60 bucks but it creates too much inconsistency.
Buying a Rok this month or a Breville smart pro. I like the idea of stepless manual grinder and think that
I am currently laid off from stupid Covid-19 (software engineer, so can work remotely...won't be long then can get what I need.
What a rabbit hole my wife opened with that cheap espresso machine gift...
Thanks Marx for your recommendations, I will be focused on getting the grinder
If you look away he sounds like Obama
lol he does. just talks faster.
😂😂😂
same voice tune !
The coffee is getting warm,,,, probably.. lol... for someone that seemed up on details, a digital thermometer would have given you an actual answer..
hi wn, So all grinders warm the grinds a bit - friction! Get your point - actual numbers are nice. But kind of meaningless and not comparable due to variables like grind time, size and ambient conditions. I have not run into a grinder yet that warms grinds beyond body temp. IMO 5 degrees difference in grinds temp has no discernible affect in finished coffee.
Marc
So anyone is ok
Hi AL, My favorite is the Capresso Infinity.
Marc
Can the average espresso drinker really differentiate the difference between the taste of coffee processed in the grinders? Short answer is No and the long answer is heck no. But the video was informative. I'll stick to my manual grinder.
Hey Chef, Thanks for the comment. A lot of former and current part-time baristas on staff here. According to them less than 30% of customers ordering a latte even know there's espresso in it!
Marc
Blade grinders can yield pretty good results if you have a good sense of judgement, I don’t get the whole blade grinder hate
Hi AM, The big issue is how random the particle sizes are after grinding. Everything from dust to cold brew size chunks. If grinding finer it takes a long time and creates a lot more heating of the grind which releases aromatics which don't end up in your cup.
Whole Latte Love
Fair enough
Blade grinders work fine and cost $20. Yes it's not as easy as a burr grinder, but Americas test kitchen had experts test the flavor of coffee from both types of grinders and they couldn't tell the difference. But hey whatever makes you feel cool
Hi F, Could you provide a link to the ATK test? What kind of coffee/brew method? I have no idea how you would even control the grind size or repeat it on a blade chopper. They'd be useless for an immersion brew method. Super fine particles would make mucky cups in press brewing. Useless for espresso where tiny changes in grind size have a huge impact.
so that's it? one test proves it conclusively? Sorry not good enough. you also forgot to mention that test concluded the tasters were split and noticed flavor differences saying they both made a good cup -and we know why that is the case - not, all "couldnt tell the difference" (and that the burr grinders were more consistent which is the whole point of using them.)
I've used both and the burr grinder is superior in every way.
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@@mariai9549 Thanks for the link! The ATK video didn't mention the brew method for the coffee. I'm guessing drip with paper filter. They were quite clear the choppers were a pain to use. Grind 1 second then shake and repeat.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage yeah, probably drip with their favorite brewer The Technivorm Moccamaster. Not surprised it was a good cup. :D
Bodum is the clear winner ...
Hi Peter, Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Whole Latte Love u welcome
Clear? you didnt say why???
I own the Capresso and maybe based on the glass jar and grind of the coarsest setting yes.( capresso doesnt get that coarse) the sliding adjustment is not a factor as I can go "in between "settings on my Infinity.
Ok since you said "dOn'T uSe BlAdE gRiNdErS," I'm gonna say it:
BLADE GRINDERS ARE BETTER THAN SHITTY BURR GRINDERS!
That’s why all respected coffee shops, roasters etc use blade grinders! JK none of them do. Blade grinders hack beans into random sized bits, heat the coffee when grinding which releases aromatics into air and not your cup and have limited capacity. Seriously, try a burr grinder and taste the difference!
@Whole Latte Love, you glossed over her point, there are some shitty low-end "burr grinders", like the lower-end Cuisinart, I think DBM-8 model (you tested higher end DBM-18 model), and other low-end models. The point is, that some consumers would get better and more consistent results using a decent blade grinder (perhaps an old Kitchenaid "press down to grind" model) than the grind and resulting coffee from a clogged-up, poorly maintained low-end burr grinder. There are consumers whose idea of "cleaning the grinder" is limited to emptying out the freshly ground coffee. What? Their are burr grinder rings to clean??!! Who knew!! For that consumer group, a good blade grinder could be more forgiving, until they are ready to graduate to better options. Nobody was suggesting that "real" coffee places do or should use blade grinders.
There is exactly zero scientific evidence that grinding coffee at higher speeds impacts it in any way at all regarding heat eliminating oils. That's because the temps are no where close to hitting the oil's flashpoint. If anything by starting the process of warming up the coffee and breaking down cell walls it actually improves the aromatics.
That aside, the major point virtually every coffee grinder review skips is noise. This is a critical factor for almost all coffee buyers and one that should be addressed in-depth in any future reviews.
Hi Sparky, Thanks for the comment sharing your opinion. Not disagreeing you with regards to grinding temps reaching oil's flash point. But I'd make an argument that extra heat causes more aromatic compounds to be released. There is some evidence high speed grinding results in more extra fine particles compared to same grinder/burrs running at lower speeds. We've been evaluating a Ceado E37Z-Hero grinder with variable RPM control. With no grind size or dosing weight change, grinding at 1,200rpm resulted in significantly longer extraction times than at 600rpm which indicates a finer grind.
In other videos we have used dB meters to compare sound levels of some grinders. Also hearing grinders operate in videos gives a general sense as to relative sound levels.
Marc
I don't recommend to buy any of those machines. Just buy cheap spice grinder!
Hi MO, Those spice grinders are usually blade grinders - not good for grinding coffee as they are very inconsistent in particle compared to burr grinders.
@@Wholelattelovepage we try both systems and choose cheaper one.