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RED Komodo 6K REDCODE RAW 16+ Stops of Dynamic Range - Difficult Shot Becomes The Great Equalizer
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2021
- RED Komodo 6K REDCODE RAW 16+ Stops of Dynamic Range - Difficult Shot Becomes The Great Equalizer
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With RED cameras, increasing ISO in camera allocates more stops of dynamic range to the highlights while also increasing noise, whereas reducing ISO in camera allocates more stops of dynamic range to the shadows. Additionally, underexposing and recovering shadows in post is not testing dynamic range, but exposure lattitude. The traffic lights tell us if the highlights are being clipped.
This is one of the many reasons film directors prefer shooting on film vs digital, because even though film has around 14 stop of dynamic range, it allocates most of it in the highlights. Kodak 5219 has 9.5 stops above middle gray. This is why film is making a comeback in Hollywood, with over half of the Oscar winners shooting on film
great point
Ei mode on digital can do that too.
Keep doing what you're doing. You got your thing going pretty smooth. Looking forward.
Thank You!
This man grew on me in the past few videos. My Komodo comes next week: going to have to see how me and him approach this beast. Well done brother.
Right on!
Hey Carlos! Intriguing video series. We are in for a treat and a little learning. Keep up the great work Carlos!
Thanks 🙏🏽
Been watching your videos very knowledgeable for a first time red user. Can’t thank you enough 🙏🏼
Glad to help
Nice video as always. Thank you Carlos!
Thank You!
Nice clip, waited for it from you)
Hope you enjoyed it!
I never comment but this really outstanding content Carlos. Looking forward to your future videos
Thanks
The C500 mk2 is one of the best for being able to grade to the Alexa LF! It’s a great camera, but so is Red and I love the Monstro, but it’s work! I like the Sony Venice too and I’ve used the C700 options, including global shutter. I’m looking forward to working with Komodo more.
I also find the C500 MK2 easier to match to Alexa LF and I am kind of infatuated with Komodo at this point! haha
Great review Carlos, thank you. Curious are you filming this review on two different comeras? If so is A-cam (front view/slider) a Sony and B-cam (side view) a Canon? If not please can you tell be which cameras are you using? Thx.
This is going to be amazing I’m here for this journey
Cool thank You
amazing image quality. I'd love a run through the color grading and the setup as a future video!
You got it!
Hey Carlos, thanks for the video, really good to know the facts when considering these cameras, I, we all really appreciate how much work you put into them. One question what is the thin vertical line than runs across from left to right starting at 6:55?
Transition reveals the denoised version
Nice job, Carlos! Your point about production time is where everyone loses it! CGI is also a good example, sure you can do CGI, but how much does it cost you! TIME IS MONEY!
Truth!
Carlos I decided to watch what you did on dynamic range again because I’m working on real time noise correction for using Komodo in live production. No, the hardware will not be cheap, but we’re working the math. And a custom accelerator(s)
Carlos is making true nail biters on exposure videos.
someone who isn't subscribed to the channel made a comment that has and will permanently slow down the release of videos to a maximum of one per day or fewer...
Very interesting and I'm learning a lot about these high end cine cams. I love these series!! I think the lighting conditions is absolutely mad ; ) and I would try as hard as possible to avoid it. ( I photograph mostly.) But there are lighting situations that I have ran into similar to this and yes trying to lift up after exposing for highlight cause color shifts. If skin tone is not present one can get by but when there are skin present all cameras struggle after lifting the mid and shadows a lot. And when exporting to lower resolution one might think it will be less obvious but its actually contrary. The shadow side of the face will get strong noice and color shift and that will get enhanced when downscaling. It will look blotchy at the end result/smaller resolution and impossible to deal with. The Komodo looks fantastic, the highlight roll off is just candy to my eyes, I almost start to want it...
the suspense kills me slowly.... everytime i'm on youtube i'm like..... has he posted the video yet.... searches c70 vs red komodo carlos quintero.
facts
If u want suspense check out my hack
soon!
@@chiokehart-kelly3481 I'm trying not to release more than one video a day so that no one (especially people who aren't subscribed to the channel) comments that I spammed their feed!
@@maxmaxmaxgoon5602 haha yep
That ending!
I tried this and added noise reduction but the colours just never looked natural. To get the best colours and to not deal with noise reduction can you just expose for the subject and it still look good?
This was a great video Carlos but when is the video coming out where you tell us followers you sold your helium? 😂
haha
Finally a video around the Komodo that isn’t all hype and ass kissing a brand. Looking forward to see the results with other cameras.
I’m struggling building the concept of the VR Rigs, but this is a major budget project. Komodo smaller, but by the time I kit them out not as much. The RAW is a big draw because of the complexity of 5-6 cameras synced in the VR platform. If I could get RAW out to record from C-70, I’d defiantly go that route.
So how many actual stops of usable dynamic range are there? I heard it's 16+ but that's marketing BS.
Also how does it rate as a travel camera? I need a camera with the most DR possible bc I love to travel and capture amazing landscapes and such
Wow, amazing !applying noise reduction takes tons of time in post production!
Indeed!
The 16+ stops of dynamic range doesn’t make any sense because you physically can not store more than 16 stops of light with a 16 bit ADC. It’s impossible. The 16th stop below 65535 is literally code values from 1 to 0
Daaaang talk about cliffhanger lol
😉
You can add a light to your subject, put ND gel on the window, rent a RED Weapon and shoot HDR...
wait, why the long ending? I was waiting for an after credits scene like a marvel movie lol
haha
The 16+ stops of dynamic range doesn’t make any sense because you physically can not store more than 16 stops of light with a 16 bit ADC. It’s impossible. The 16th stop below 65535 is literally 0 - 1.
At 4:35 sec was the outside area clipped? It didn't look like it. You also didn't grade that footage down to match the at 7:38 sec. Why not? Also, adjusting ISO on the Komodo moves dynamic range stops to the right or left meaning to the highlights or to the shadows. It doesn't work like other cameras. That's in the Komodo user guide. It also looks like the footage at 7:38 has a different f/Stop . The first clip looks sunny because of the window exposure and the other looks like a different day and dark. I don't think either ones is graded properly. What did the stop signs give you?
Oh man there goes that "16 stops of dynamic range" thing. Colorist and DPs' cringe at that phrase you know. I wish people at least put a "claimed" notation. It misleads the normal public. ANY way; NICE demonstration of the komodo! Really exited for the next videos! KEEP up the AWESOME content Carlos!!
Thanks
I thought exposing for the talent was far more flattering for you as opposed to the best image. I personally would rather fix the background than the subject.
Cool 🤙🏽
Not sure why you turned off the comments on the a7siii video, but I highly recommend doing a over/under test like CVP, with a light meter, in a controlled setting, that isn't changing due to weather and time of day. That's the only way of comparing these cameras, and as it is, CVP is getting different results comparing the Komodo and the a7siii. Hell, even CineD is getting different results, especially in highlights. Actually working with Komodo, I can say the DR was terrible, and is a huge reason why I canceled my preorder. But I wouldn't buy a a7siii either.
Alright here goes my answer. The vast majority of people who watch my videos aren't subscribed to my channel. They don't follow me on any social channel and don't really contribute to the community that we are building here. So they didn't understand that there was a complete series that had been shot and produced going through multiple weeks of actual shooting scenarios. The first set of episodes was to establish a foundation and throughout the series to identify how to get the most out of each camera...none of that matters though, because again, they like most people don't follow the channel and all had the "I want it NOW" version of the series. So I canceled it and rather than reading stupid comments that came from the lack of understanding on what we were trying to do with the series and share with the community that actually cares enough to support the channel...I decided to save myself the negativity and extra "FREE" production covering topics that really only matter if someone wants to invest in themselves and give back to this community. So if few people care, why should I. I already own the cameras and I already got my workflows sorted. I can get everything that I need out of my camera lineup the rest is just noise. I thought I was going to help people and as it turned out the Trolls showed up and it didn't really help me gain audiences that want to be part of this community. So I'm not going to invest any more time in tasks that apparently only matter to me.
@@carlosq00 fair enough. Don't blame you. And didn't mean to be rude, I was recommending that test method because it has been the most accurate way of measuring DR from my camera tests before main production.
Hey Carlos, Komodo and 25k machine plus neat video and so much effort! Your initial video on the topic shot with 12 pro max resulted in better dr and less effort i believe. Seriously you got most of us thinking!
does it actually have 16 stops of dynamic range?
I believe it does, as no other camera that I've used with ARRI being the exception along with other RED cameras can stack up against what I can capture on KOMODO.
@@carlosq00 thank you for the information. I am a Sony a 7 s 3 user. I’m thinking about getting this camera. Amazon’s quality
I think I know where this is going to...;)
Wooooooooooooow wooooooooow wooooooooow what a hook that was your best video of all time......you know what hurts and really hurts you make great content but rewarded so poorly and I see people making poor videos and rewarded so greatly ...I think UA-cam should put quality control ...nowadays everyone can post horrible content
That just means I get to keep my Day-Job! haha
This is funny seeing a couple of years down the road, Red Komodo does not have 16+ stops of anything at any point in any shooting scenario. It has 12,2 stops at a noise ratio 2 which is pretty good for a super 35/apsc camera with a global shutter. But of course nothing compared to the Alexa 35 (which is much more expensive). But it's important for anyone to realize it's nowhere close to 16+ stops if dynamic range is important for your shoots, like run and gun documentaries etc. At that point a mirrorless full frame camera with good ibis (and autofocus for those who are accustomed to that) might be the better choice. The Alexa which is the best camera available on the marked is 15,2 stops at noise ratio 2. The Alexa is not a cheater camera and has no inbuilt noise reduction so no matter if you shoot pro-res or raw the result is the same. Much cheaper mirrorless cameras can match the Komodo easily for dynamic range (but not for how much you can push the image in RAW, which means you will be able to get more accurate colors with the Komodo in RAW than the mirrorless cameras no matter if you use Prores RAW or similar with those) So keep all of this in mind depending on your workflow. If you only do rudimentary color grading for weddings and similar shoots a mirrorless camera might be a much cheaper and better option but if you plan on doing advanced color grading for film quality shoots you might want to pay up the extra bucks for RED (etc)
Do you own or shoot with the Alexa35? Just want to balance out the commentary for others with my comment and your response.
Only once. It is still very expensive to rent here. We usually use the mini or mini-lf on most projects. But we also used the OG Komodo and recently the also the Komodo X which is quite something with the new framerates. We always love your input and testing! (didn't mean to imply your testing was in any way bad though the wording was maybe a bit inflammatory, you did this very early on before any lab tests was done and so on, great work! This was very helpful to us at the time)@@carlosq00
Just like we also loved the one you did on Red vs Canon. That was great stuff and I bet very illuminating for so many people in the business.
We've been following you since the beginning pretty much@@carlosq00
Red cameras are known for their marketing, marketing and marketing :) Real masterpieces are never shot on Red, but the Alexa.
I'm not a Red fan, I prefer Alexa and other cameras. But come on, there's been a lot of great movies shot on Red. Ask David Fincher, Martin Scorsese, Peter Jackson, Aronofsky, the Russo brothers, Ridley Scott, etc...
@@leebrandt8597 I agree
What happend to lighting? Isn’t that the magic that makes a good image perfect in the end?
A shot is only as great as the location is. If you have bad light conditions, a camera won‘t make a nice image. no matter what it can do with DR or how the „lowlight“ is.
Shaping your shot by manipulating the environment, changing angles, changing or directing light will always be the goal for a good image.
You will never get a better looking headshot infront of a window than with lights. No matter which camera you use.
this is just a benchmark to show capabilities of the camera, i guess
@@prokawriter1096 I guess that was the goal.
First! 🤓
Yes you are!
Thanks a lot for the transparency and honesty about both your feelings towards the cameras AND the actual real life outcome of the products. I really like that you take your time while talking and don’t follow the common “scatman always hyped about everything” talking style of most you tubers these days.
@@orangespotinsky Thank you!
« 25 000$ Mac Pro » doesn’t really carry the same weight these days since m1 macs.
tell that to my pocketbook haha
@@carlosq00 yup, I don’t look at my 5000$ MacBook Pro 16 the same way 😂
I hope so and am ready to buy when they release
@@Vrzalik81 yeah but don’t forget this is apple. They will not release anything cheaper and now that they have proven the m1 can perform, expect a hike in price if they can justify it.
@@artwerkmedia8616 Mac Mini, Macbook Air, Pro (M1 based) are cheaper than Intel based Macs Mini, Air, Pro. So I expect that other Macs are going to be + - the same.
Second)
Learn the Komodo and read the manual.
??? Did you watch the video?
@@carlosq00 I replied and gave you examples. And other pointed out how ISO on RED works.
Just nd the windows. Problem solved.
yep, if that was a proper production easy enough to get that done or use a net back there...