RED KOMODO VS RED DSMC2 Helium | Real-World Footage Review
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2021
- We showcase RAW footage from the RED Helium and RED Komodo cameras side by side and see if they match up well in 6 commercial spots.
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Nice! They look like they cut together pretty well. Good talent, location and set design always make the cam look better than random test clips. Love the vids, keep ‘em coming man!
I get such a claustrophobic feeling while watching you in your setup. I really like your content, but it is uncomfortable, as a DP you can understand your camera angle and shot setup, keep an uneasy feel, coupled with your fast talking, and it creates a jaring feeling
Your comment makes me uncomfortable.
I preferred the Komodo. Also the yellow jacket was more yellow with the Komodo and more greenish with the Helium. 2 fantastic machines though. Thanks for this video, man!
With IPP2 - I've been able to match DSMC1 and DSMC2 with the Komodo. Some of the colour difference could be attributed to the Komodo using a completely different wavelet compression algorithm. Somewhere on reduser I saw Graeme Natress (RED's colour science guy) talking about it.
All of the really bad Kommodo footage that I've seen (including my own) is because poor decisions were made with IPP2 settings and the conversion from redlog to rec709... or the use of nonspecific luts.
Nice video! Just some thought because I’ve noticed this before while filming. I’ve used a Sigma 18-35 and a Sigma 50mm (both photo primes) and they were extremely different when it comes to contrast, and color rendering. I don’t know if the Sigma cine lenses also have a slight shift but definitely something to keep in mind with regardless of any camera tests.
Totally! All glass is slightly different!
Loved this. And those Sigmas look GREAT. I just went and gave my Komodo a big hug after seeing this as I was convinced the Komodo footage was infact the Helium.
Haha. Give it a kiss as well.
Nice comparison. I prefer the straight out of camera look of the Komodo.
I do have to take umbrage with one of your basic premises -- that your initial footage didn't look great because you weren't using "cinema quality lenses". The initial footage states "Canon 85mm 1.4"
The only Canon 85mm 1.4 lens is the "Canon EF 85mm F/1.4L IS USM Lens" which is an amazing lens (one of my favorites) and its image quality is easily on par with any the Sigma Cinema Primes.
Luckily with the flexibility of R3D, one could easily make a quick neutral color profile to drop onto the footage pre-color grading to eliminate the warms of 'Modo and greens of Helium.
I think what you're seeing on the greenery has more to do with the OLPF, the amount of IR and the method used to compensate for the IR than the actual color science. Just an educated guess. But, I totally agree. The greenery represented on the Komodo is 1000% more natural. What ND's were you using on each?
interesting. I didn't log the exact glass but we used some schneider ND's on the helium and some breakthrough Nd's on the komodo.
@@TheObsessiveDP Apparently the Komodo’s permanent OLPF is closest to the DMSC2 Skin Tone Highlight OLPF or at least that’s what a tech at RED told me. You’re gonna get a completely different amount of IR passing through than a camera using a DSMC2 Standard OLPF or any other OLPF. The ND’s are also allowing varying amounts of IR to pass through and adding their own tint. That’s in addition to whatever variation there is in the tint of lenses used.
In a studio setting there might not be enough IR to even notice a difference beyond the slight tint of the ND’s and lenses, but the greenery in that shot looks like it’s in the direct, ungripped, SoCal sun. You’re definitely gonna notice a difference in that setting, particularly in the greens. If you go back to your footage and you see a shot where you happened to pick up a black fabric in broad daylight, a flag for example, I’d be willing to bet that your black fabrics look completely different between the two cameras.
Don’t listen to the haters. Let them go out and do their own comparison if they don’t like yours. I thought it was great. I got a lot out of it.
Did you try over exposing and under exposinf them side by side? I'm wondering if the sensors can be pushed the same to recover highlights and shadows, or if komodo has a shorter range.
Great question! In my experience, the Komodo sensor has a smidge less dynamic range- part of this is due to the global shutter, it also makes sense when you factor in the price difference of the two bodies.
@@TheObsessiveDP okeh now you must do a test =)), curiosity peaked! I'm looking to buy a komodo in 6-12 months...
Shouldn’t have mentioned the focal lengths of each camera before the comparison footage 😂
Wanted to reward those who were listening closely!
Maybe its just me, but they look like they have totally different colour science.
The Komodo was easy to pick from the Helium because I know its look - warmer, less green. I agree that the Helium looks significantly better and I'm a bit disappointed. I've got the Komodo on order and I'm hoping with a bit of post work it can look nearly as good. This is a great test to show the difference. Thank you.
I think you can make them match pretty darn close!
@@TheObsessiveDP i am trying to decide between the 2 but the helium honestly has the better image
those helium shots don't match that much with the komodo for the white cyc?
I see what you’re saying. If you try to match black magic VS red you’ll see a MUCH bigger difference tho. I think the Komodo and Helium are pretty close.
Thanks, but wow, am I in the minority? By coincidence, I was just chatting with a DP last night and mentioned that I noticed reds often have uniquely awesome lush greens in foliage/trees -- very cinematic and I LOVE it! Reality schmeality! Cheers
I own a RED Scarlet-W and a Komodo, my personal experience currently is, that they match pretty close Kelvin wise, but their tint is by 2 off. So e.g. RED Scaret-W DSMC2 5700K -4 = KOMODO 5700K -2. Both cameras have a green tint out of the box, and this is currently my own personal workflow and worked great so far. And ofcourse yeah, when puttin on tiffen ND's their is a weired massive green color shift, which kinda annoys me
great insight!
i wish you were able to take the same shot with each camera. the guy laying next to the pool is so much closer to the light than him standing, how am I supposed to compare. Same with the top downin the pool vs the mid shot of her holding a phone that says "more punchy"? shes getting blasted by a bounce, so of course it is.
Pretty similar
Thanks for sharing. Komodo looks much nicer and Alexa-like than the Helium.
Fx3 , S1h with braw , zcam e2 f6 , red Komodo .
Image quality , Workflow , lens options , Cost of owning with a complete accessories kit
Used For a controlled environment mostly sometimes outside
I personally think the FX3 (cheaper option) or Red Komodo (I'm a sucker for RED!) haha!
@@TheObsessiveDP All internal raw patent 🔥
I heard that there is a monitor that can control KOMODO wirelessly. It seems to be specially made for KOMODO. Does anyone know?
Its brand seems to be called PORTKEYS, and its model seems to be BM5 WR. If you have used it, please introduce it. How does it feel to use it with KOMODO?
I want to buy one and try it recently, thank you!
I saw this recently on another post. Let me see if I can get my hands on one for review.
@@TheObsessiveDP Ok i follow you, Looking forward to your video
3:33 i just had that ad
Lens can make a huge difference in the color.
Absolutely! We used the same sigma cinema lenses on both cameras
Never apologize for realizing the Komodo doesn't really look anywhere near as good as the dscm-2 cams. ;)
More dynamic range in the helium but at this level we are all just splitting hairs
Both are good enough and if your budget only allows a Komodo the end product whether shot on Komodo or helium will not matter as much as the content and the cinematography
The red komodo gives off an magenta , vs the helium is green ish. So yeah
3:51 is this realy the maximum you can get from RED camera? :-)
It depends on the filmmaker and there skills obviously if you get a 3 year old with a red it’s gonna look like it was shot on a potato
You gave it away from the beginning cyc wall test since you had the Helium on a 24mm wide and the Komodo on a 50-100 lol obviously the wide shots are the helium and tight were the komodo
dang it! nice catch
@@TheObsessiveDP Great comparison, I'm still waiting for my Komodo so is really nice to know it matches well with the other DSMC2. I would love to see a test how it matches or compares with the BMPCC 6K
Red as a whole has always leaned too green/cool for me when color correcting and grading... - to me, Reds have always looked like they had a futuristic sci-fi color to them out of the box
Is green/cool better than warm/magenta?? Or the other way around?? it's all subjective... what is the loook you want to create????
I know which I’d pick off of name alone. 😋 I hope everyone is having a safe and awesome day! 😃💙 #NotificationSquad
i like the skintones of helium more than the skintones captured by komodo
Interesting! I feel like the Komodo is better.
too much spoiler because of showing what focal lenghts you used ;) so it was easy to guess that camera a is komodo
Haha. Yeah a keen eye would be able to figure it out from the BTS of the setups in the beginning.
I woman be a pick asshole buth the sigma zoom are photo lens rehouse in a cine body .
Sorry for eventual error i am italian 😂.
But still a great video very interesting
true!
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So odd the Komodo color to me is far better looks more natural the green on the other is frustrating to look at. My eyes see something is wrong with the color
Agreed! Very odd
@@TheObsessiveDP I have a red dragon x And it’s green but not even this much. I wonder if the sigma cine is not helping. I have yet to use them.
Watching on a really nice screen here and the Komodo looks like flat dead garbage compared to the helium. Like a hybrid vs a cine cam almost. It was jarring. I guess the c70 is the best sub $6k cam right now
I don't feel that it's garbage at all, but i feel its definitely a weaker camera.
On my iPhone the Komodo looked better. Oddly.
C70 isn’t really a cinema camera though. It’s just a bigger dlsr
Dude is asking if we can spot which camera is helium and komodo by showing "A" and "B" clips, you just showed sigma zoom on komodo and 24mm on helium - there's no color guess work here.
the helium was clearly obvious an dmuch better tbh
completely stupid comparison, bro u even didn't show the same footage with same composition ????,,,,,////// ARE U KIDDINGGGGG ????""":::@@@
I understand what you are saying. Most youtubers use the exact same comp and framing for their tests, BUT would you really do that in a real world scenario? Use two different cameras for the same exact shot? Here, we were cutting between the cameras and leap frogging between setups to save on time so I feel its actually more of a real world scenario. What do you think about that?