@@jerrymathewninan6739 Yeah unintentionally, he's not spiderman. he doesn't make quips. JC is so monotone and robotic, you'd know if he was being sarcastic.
Everette: "The technology has been around for decades... but he does not need to know that." Denton; *Starts backing up some and then walks into Lucius's room* Everette: "I don't like where this is going..."
Just that interaction enough was enough to make me realize that Everett was no better than Page at this point. He's a manipulative, sinister man that's treating Lucius as a literally Think-tank. He kept him alive as a resource and kept him in a literal limbo while lying to him... It made me realize he's probably lying about something else just as important.
Bob Page was insane sure, but he did do some good during his regime. Most of what he did in Paris was a giant "fuck you" to the Illuminati, since Paris was one of the primary places of power for the Illuminati, and made it one of his goals to weaken and hunt the Illuminati to extinction.
He was useful as advisor, but he really needs Denton much more than he needs Lucius. So if Denton is "messing with equipment", well that's necessary losses.
How can Everett get angry and say "he was my friend" at the end? He deliberately kept him in that box desipite having the tech to restore him. That's no friend.
@@crimsondynamo615 Denton shoves DeBeers sideways onto the ground, smashing the glass and killing him. Everett enters the room, and angrily declares "You spill my drink!"
I had a fun time screwing with this scene by first shooting Everett and kiting him all the way to this room, then shutting down DeBeers without speaking to him and then getting an infolink call from Everett berating me for screwing with his equipment...while he is chasing me around this very room shooting at me. Haha.
Yeah, this indeed is probably the main reason I did not side with Everett in the end. The other, more important main reason might have been the opportunity to become a living God though.
The Illuminati's actions are seen as keeping others weak so they may contrast that weakness by being kings. They cling to the concept of enlightenment, yet wish to rob everyone else of it.
THIS The illuminati ending never was my favorite because of this part. I just knew, the moment i (denton) isn't useful or maybe even a threat to Everet, i would have a bad ""accident""
many times in Deus Ex, we've seen the Illuminati do terrible things. From Belltower/TYM terrorising other companies, kidnapping/killing scientists, holding augs hostage with drugs/social movements, to Everett's betrayal of a fellow Illuminatus, to Chad holding your friend hostage and lying to your face about killing her, having innocent shopkeepers executed for speaking out, and forcing the majority to live in abject poverty and lying to them about it. That's why I *hate* the Illuminati. That's why, even though Helios kinda sits in the uncanny valley, his actions (eg. helping Hong Kong), make me support him.
From an interview with the developers years ago: DeusEx-Machina: _What is the significance of Lucius DeBeers? Does shutting down his life support have any effect on the game at all? What was he put there for?_ Witchboy: _I came up with the notion, for the Paris missions, of adding this evil old man, an old Illuminatus. The idea was that Morgan Everett used him as a think-tank, promising Lucius that he would be revived "as soon as the technology becomes available." Of course, the technology was already available. I wanted to show that no one (in our world) is innocent, even the "good guys." This cast a dark cloud over Everett. The notion behind Lucius was that he was the previous generation's Illuminati, sort of like the Smoking Man from the X-Files. I used the name "DeBeers" because of some of the conspiracy theories revolving around that name (Look it up...). Sadly, shutting down Lucius doesn't actually do anything other than piss Everett off. We ran out of time, or, as is actually the case in game development, I spent the time on something else, like the saboteur/Jock's death that we planned and executed at the last minute during development. We toyed with the idea of letting the player actually revive Lucius, but it was a real can of worms and he was a minor, late-introduced character, so it seemed risky (and wasteful of project time that could be better spent on something more integral)._ Sheldon Pacotti: _He doesn't have much significance outside of Everett's hideout. Everett keeps the old Illuminati leader around in order to pick his brain from time to time and maybe to satisfy some sadistic part of his personality. I imagine that a person plotting to take over the world would have a few personality quirks. Aside from his immediate relevance to Everett, however, Lucius DeBeers doesn't really impact the game._ www.deusex-machina.com/articles/makingofdeusex.asp
Lucius purpose is to show that Everett has the bad ending, where he replaces Bob Page and Walter Simons (brain and henchman) with himself and you. Tracer Tong has the neutral ending where the clock is set back a few centuries, but the fundamental problem persists. Helios has the good ending as hinted by Morpheus in the room just beside the one in the video.
@@Scarletraven87 None of the endings are definitively "good" or "bad". The illuminati ending would restore the world, for good or ill, back to a sort of guided normalcy that could be understood and even tolerated more by the general populace (at least more so than masses of people dying in the streets from a deadly virus). Tong's ending destroys the corrupt power structures and sets the clock back on civilization, but it doesn't really solve any of the underlying problems that caused those corrupt structures to come to power, nor does it leave anything in its wake to prevent them from ascending again. Everyone's favorite Helios ending is unfortunately a naively hollow, optimistic fantasy. It posits that, idealistically, humanity's aims at unity, progression, and prosperity can be achieved with the guidance of an impartial algorithm helping everyone to connect, share, and understand each other's individual needs and providing for them. This ending was written before the invention of social media, though, soooooo........ 😬
What do you mean? This is the Illuminati we are talking about. Everett was probably going from what Lucius taught him about taking power. The Illuminati was full of backstabbing snakes attempting at a grab for power.
*Even though Lucius DeBeers manipulated the world many times over, he still deserves some pity for being trapped in a freezing chamber while not knowing that his associate has no intentions of reviving him.*
WanderingPropeller Good point. Lucius has been leading an organization that specializes in treachery, so he should have suspected that some in his own inner circle would have ulterior motives of their own.
@@tonyc.0451 His desperation to be revived had probably misplaced his judgement that he used to have as an Illuminatus. Maybe he did suspect it or feared it, but did not wish to openly recognize it as a possibility; so not to prophesize his own demise.
Everett needs JC to stop Majestic 12 and Bob Page to have a chance of bringing the Illuminati back in power. The weight of the situation and how much the Dentons are tied to it all is much more valuable than keeping DeBeers around.
I recall a mail Sarif sent to his secretary, where he told her to not answer his phonecalls or something Lucioys DeBeers that is, who tried to contact Sarif quite often.
Same. I didn't want to kill this defenseless dude, mostly, but part of me also giggled at the poetic justice of Lucius' situation. IIRC, he refuses to talk to Morgan if you keep him alive.
I did the same but I genuinely thought I would come back to the Illuminati Base. I thought it was gonna be my new "home base" like Unatco was for a few chapters.
I would say there’s functional justice, not only poetic vengeance, in keeping him alive and imprisoned. If he’s still trying to “COMMAND” even in suicide, then he still hasn’t been redeemed. He should be kept alive to sort himself out with only a copy of Crime and Punishment to pass the years. His illusion being shattered is just premature “enlightenment.” Cold eternity can be an opportunity to free oneself from one’s own maladaptively constructed life context.
WOW! I cant fucking believe I missed this in my first playthrough of Deus Ex that I just finished today. And I thought I explored everything there was to explore in my first playthrough. Wtf... There was a locked door in his house that I couldn't find a code for. But I thought it was because you would return to his house and get the code then. Like Level 2 of the MJ12 labs. I wonder what else I missed...
@@Neroshi-Interactive I've playing Deus Ex for 20 years (stretch sure as the game is "only" 18 years old but I first played it the very month it came out) and I'm still exploring it... and it's not a stretch! I'm continuously discovering content I haven't yet seen.
@@mysteriousDSF it just great game. I love the dialogue, I didn't realise he was in this game when I notice him in MD. I going replay it again soon maybe Christmas
Yeah, actors charge $10,000 a line to do things in a British accent. Everyone knows that. It's in their union contract. It's why in Hollywood films they have British actors use American accents. Much cheaper that way.
@@boone4531 Victor: "I don't mean to bug you pardner, but why are you wearing these sun-glasses all the time? There isn't even any sun inside the buildings!" JC Denton: "My vision is augmented."
Spoiler warning, I guess: All of the endings have their strenghts and weaknesses, of course. But this right here is a big part of why I think that, if you picked the Illuminati ending, you weren't really paying attention.
I already knew the Illuminati were untrustworthy scheming people who can, have, and will do terrible things in service to their plan, but I also know what their plan is. Its the late 20th century. Helios, by contrast, is a dark horse. I don't know what it will do. Could be great, could be terrible, and it still deprives people of their agency just like the Illuminati. Then there's the dark age. All I know there is that anarchy will reign and the world will be in turmoil. Personally, I prefer it and its freedom to the other two, but I can still see why the Illuminati are better in some ways. The Illuminati are essentially the safe option. The one for someone who's opposed to absolute control, but willing to accept anything shy of that for prosperity, or the one for someone control is necessary to guide humanity forward, but doesn't think an unknown quantity like Helios can be trusted to do that.
@@uppishcub1617If you don't trust Helios you don't trust yourself with unlimited power. It's not a bad thing, but unless you played JC as a sociopath, Helios is far from the worst outcome.
@@uppishcub1617 You merge with Helios. Helios itself isn't interested in merging with Bob Page and goes straight to JC because it wants to understand human affairs better. JC becomes Helios, all his knowledge and what he learned would shape it up. If Helios wanted unlimited control for control sake, it wouldn't have stalled Bob Page and helped JC
was watching this imagining Alex Jones in power armor bursting through the wall and breathlessly releasing a rant like, "THIS IS IT FOLKS, I TOLD YOU ALL ALONG! THE GRAND TRAITOR OF HUMANITY HIMSELF, MR. DEBEERS OF THE ILLUMINATI, TALKING TO SOME CYBERNETIC DEMON!" while waving a camcorder in their faces there should be a cheat code to spawn Alex Jones in every _Deus Ex_ game, and he should be scripted to be an ally who automatically attacks every NPC allied with a faction scheming to run the world
I don't know about you but I like my DeBeers cold.
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Keeping Lucius DeBeers in that condition shows what Nicolette DuClare warned Denton about Morgan Everett: "Everett will be a powerfull allied, but you can be certain he will have his own agenda".
This game would've been literally PERFECT and I mean FUCKING PERFECT... if they would've give the option to stay with UNATCO and fight against the Rebelion; maybe stopping Paul (continuing Manderley's assignment in Hong Kong), trying to destroy Silhouette or even becoming the new UNATCO director, assigned by Walton Simons.
"I keep his metabolism low so he will last" Isn't the whole point of being a warm-blooded organism that your metabolism stays the same regardless of external temperature?
@@elijahgreybosh7882 Meat doesn't have metabolism, though. It just spoils in the sauna quicker because the warm ambient temperature is good for bacteria growth.
It's a quirk of some prequels to mess up with the timeline even in small and big ways, even if they're very careful or good in their own right. It's inevitable.
You know... after playing Mankind Divided and seeing Debeers kinda sorta plot to killswitch all civilian augs with the Human Restoration Act, I kinda sorta don't feel bad about letting him stay frozen now.
I knew Hargreave from Crysis 2 looked familiar. This was probably where the Crysis team got the idea of an old wise man stuck in futuristic life support.
Is it just me, or is 18 Celsius too warm to keep somebody in stasis? I mean, that's like 64 Fahrenheit, which is way warmer than a lot of the world Did Everett mean to say Kelvin or something?
the Dbeers in the original Deus Ex seems to gullible to be the same guy in Mankind Divided. Though maybe It's just the bad voice acting and cheesy dialogue.
Old people are often a bit deluded (probably because of cognitive decline) so no wonder that an old man who used to be the literal master of the world is. Also I'm pretty sure anyone kept paralysed all day in a fridge in a dark room would rapidly become batshit crazy and delusional in order to cope with the situation.
would have been cool if there was a quest to bring Debeers to a hospital and have him revived. and serve him as the right hand man of the real leader of the illuminati
After you know what Lucius has done in the last few decades this scene takes on some weight since you have to evaluate the whole situation again. Lucius deserves the cold hell but morality tells you show mercy since you are better than him. I can't stand him but I always let him die since I feel sorry for him. Moreover, he is beaten and does not influence anything anymore.
It's even arguable if death can be considered a mercy. Death is an irreversible cessation of existence - while it could be seen as freeing him from enslavement, it's still.. death, you know
@@SaturnineXTS well, it is a question about morality. Yes, death is a serious thing however several perspectives have to be taken into account. For instance, Lucius is most likely an old man in his mid 90s or even older, forced to exist in a freezing hell every single day without the ability to do anything except to exist. The only thing he can see is the wall in front of him and there won't be any way out as Everett pointed out. There is no dignity or humanity in keeping him like this, it is just torture and suffering. To be honest, I don't know how I would react in real life if beeing faced with the same situation but I think it would be worth considering to let such a person die.
@@LakituKoopa Just let Lucius know he's being fucked with, but don't kill him - he'll refuse to help Everett any further until he's either restored or killed by the latter.
@@LakituKoopa Yes, after putting it like that, it's def a necessity to end his life. I also feel the supermax prison in Colorado is potentially more cruel a fate than death.
Sure is one necessary moment of video game euthanasia alongside similar moments from Thief II: The Metal Age, the Halo series, and Telltale's The Walking Dead: Season One, this.
"stop messing with my equipment" yeah that's all he was for him
"He was my friend", he says, after letting him suffer for eternity while under the hope of a false promise.
@@fuckoffwiththehandles i wonder what he does to his enemies?
@@GuyUWishUWere He sends augmented stoic killers like JC.
@@HistoryWolfCZ that seems... nicer.
@@GuyUWishUWere Welp perhaps some people are better as enemies than friends
"debeers says he's cold"
Denton is unintentionally hilarious
*"Don't you think that's a little chilly?"*
Unintentionally?
Delicious Beers
So that’s why they call you Lucius DeBeers
@@jerrymathewninan6739 Yeah unintentionally, he's not spiderman. he doesn't make quips.
JC is so monotone and robotic, you'd know if he was being sarcastic.
How ironic that the leader of the illuminate himself is asking "can no one be trusted?'.
That is the cost of dishonest operation in the world
Everette: "The technology has been around for decades... but he does not need to know that."
Denton; *Starts backing up some and then walks into Lucius's room*
Everette: "I don't like where this is going..."
Was expecting him to give the iconic "YOURAAAAAAAAAGHH" when you shut him off.
That would make for a funny mod.
you mean wilhelm scream ?
@@sangvinhun I think he meant this:
ua-cam.com/video/DnfDxP-nD-g/v-deo.html
-agh
Just that interaction enough was enough to make me realize that Everett was no better than Page at this point. He's a manipulative, sinister man that's treating Lucius as a literally Think-tank. He kept him alive as a resource and kept him in a literal limbo while lying to him... It made me realize he's probably lying about something else just as important.
Bob Page was insane sure, but he did do some good during his regime. Most of what he did in Paris was a giant "fuck you" to the Illuminati, since Paris was one of the primary places of power for the Illuminati, and made it one of his goals to weaken and hunt the Illuminati to extinction.
Yep. Pretty much made the “Join the Illuminati” endings a no-go for me.
@@shroomer3867 That's like the joining with Lucifer ending. Nah, I'll take life without electricity thanks.
Everett doesn't seem all that angry all things considered
After all, Denton just destroyed a piece of equipment.
He was useful as advisor, but he really needs Denton much more than he needs Lucius. So if Denton is "messing with equipment", well that's necessary losses.
That's nothing compared to when I killed Beth DuClare and Chad Dumier just gave me my next mission.
DoctorWeeTodd Beth Duclare’s not even in the game.
@@TheJayson8899 Oh I meant Nicolette.
"Now I may be a simple country lawyer folks, but I am the Supreme Enlightened."
He said use the computer to my left but the computer is to his right
Give the man a break, he's been stuck in a freezer for a long time.
Fixed in Revision version of Game
It's his left
@@mista_fur3346 surprised he even remembers being the head of the illuminati.
“If only I could look at mah hands. Then I could know mah left from mah right”
How can Everett get angry and say "he was my friend" at the end? He deliberately kept him in that box desipite having the tech to restore him. That's no friend.
Maybe he cared for him
@@kedson2957 clearly not, as he had the technology to bring him back out, he would have done so if he cared.
@@Nickelodeon81 not all of us are good friends
@@Nickelodeon81 I think that Everett simply justifies all his crimes by higher moral values to an ironic extent
@@kedson2957 yea, Everett is barely lying to himself and ic,
Beers are supposed to be cold.
Kek
You monster
That was savage kkk
Now I’m just picturing Everett calling Denton because he’s pissed that Denton drank all his beer.
@@crimsondynamo615 Denton shoves DeBeers sideways onto the ground, smashing the glass and killing him. Everett enters the room, and angrily declares "You spill my drink!"
John Galt the voice actor of Lucius DeBeers (and Jock, Joseph Manderley, Tracer Tong) has passed away recently at age 81
R.I.P :(
Hè also voiced Lo Wang.
Who is John Galt?
@@user295295 he's the voice actor of lucius debeers, jock, joseph manderley and tracer tong
@@ArtyIF John Galt is also a fictional character in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
JC Denton looks at his possible future.
Just desserts for Everett. Denton is 23 and Everett is in his 60s, so it's more like the other way around.
@@boilerhousegarage Do you believe JC would do that?
Everett wants to use Denton as muscle. His brain isn't really that important. If Denton ever became incurably ill Everett would just let him die.
I had a fun time screwing with this scene by first shooting Everett and kiting him all the way to this room, then shutting down DeBeers without speaking to him and then getting an infolink call from Everett berating me for screwing with his equipment...while he is chasing me around this very room shooting at me. Haha.
That's pretty funny honestly. 😂.
Yeah, this indeed is probably the main reason I did not side with Everett in the end. The other, more important main reason might have been the opportunity to become a living God though.
This entire side-quest is easy to miss, and it's very important to show how shady Everett really is. The guy can't be trusted.
@@harizotoh7 Well in IW he's dead, then Chad and Nicolette tries to fuck everyone over. Guess you can't trust anyone from the illuminati, really.
The Illuminati's actions are seen as keeping others weak so they may contrast that weakness by being kings. They cling to the concept of enlightenment, yet wish to rob everyone else of it.
THIS
The illuminati ending never was my favorite because of this part.
I just knew, the moment i (denton) isn't useful or maybe even a threat to Everet, i would have a bad ""accident""
many times in Deus Ex, we've seen the Illuminati do terrible things. From Belltower/TYM terrorising other companies, kidnapping/killing scientists, holding augs hostage with drugs/social movements, to Everett's betrayal of a fellow Illuminatus, to Chad holding your friend hostage and lying to your face about killing her, having innocent shopkeepers executed for speaking out, and forcing the majority to live in abject poverty and lying to them about it.
That's why I *hate* the Illuminati. That's why, even though Helios kinda sits in the uncanny valley, his actions (eg. helping Hong Kong), make me support him.
From an interview with the developers years ago:
DeusEx-Machina: _What is the significance of Lucius DeBeers? Does shutting down his life support have any effect on the game at all? What was he put there for?_
Witchboy: _I came up with the notion, for the Paris missions, of adding this evil old man, an old Illuminatus. The idea was that Morgan Everett used him as a think-tank, promising Lucius that he would be revived "as soon as the technology becomes available." Of course, the technology was already available. I wanted to show that no one (in our world) is innocent, even the "good guys." This cast a dark cloud over Everett. The notion behind Lucius was that he was the previous generation's Illuminati, sort of like the Smoking Man from the X-Files. I used the name "DeBeers" because of some of the conspiracy theories revolving around that name (Look it up...). Sadly, shutting down Lucius doesn't actually do anything other than piss Everett off. We ran out of time, or, as is actually the case in game development, I spent the time on something else, like the saboteur/Jock's death that we planned and executed at the last minute during development. We toyed with the idea of letting the player actually revive Lucius, but it was a real can of worms and he was a minor, late-introduced character, so it seemed risky (and wasteful of project time that could be better spent on something more integral)._
Sheldon Pacotti: _He doesn't have much significance outside of Everett's hideout. Everett keeps the old Illuminati leader around in order to pick his brain from time to time and maybe to satisfy some sadistic part of his personality. I imagine that a person plotting to take over the world would have a few personality quirks. Aside from his immediate relevance to Everett, however, Lucius DeBeers doesn't really impact the game._
www.deusex-machina.com/articles/makingofdeusex.asp
@TheEsotericZebra Maybe not if you've only played this game in the series...
damn this is amazing
Lucius purpose is to show that Everett has the bad ending, where he replaces Bob Page and Walter Simons (brain and henchman) with himself and you.
Tracer Tong has the neutral ending where the clock is set back a few centuries, but the fundamental problem persists.
Helios has the good ending as hinted by Morpheus in the room just beside the one in the video.
@@Scarletraven87 i think deus ex's endings depend on the player of thinking whats "the good ending"
@@Scarletraven87
None of the endings are definitively "good" or "bad".
The illuminati ending would restore the world, for good or ill, back to a sort of guided normalcy that could be understood and even tolerated more by the general populace (at least more so than masses of people dying in the streets from a deadly virus).
Tong's ending destroys the corrupt power structures and sets the clock back on civilization, but it doesn't really solve any of the underlying problems that caused those corrupt structures to come to power, nor does it leave anything in its wake to prevent them from ascending again.
Everyone's favorite Helios ending is unfortunately a naively hollow, optimistic fantasy. It posits that, idealistically, humanity's aims at unity, progression, and prosperity can be achieved with the guidance of an impartial algorithm helping everyone to connect, share, and understand each other's individual needs and providing for them.
This ending was written before the invention of social media, though, soooooo........ 😬
The music and atmospear in this scene is incredible.
This encounter is so meaningful. Morgan Everett comes off as such an evil man.
He comes off because he is. He is a power-hungry monster that only gives the illusion of caring for others.
Jokes on him, Chad was even more of an asshole.
What do you mean? This is the Illuminati we are talking about. Everett was probably going from what Lucius taught him about taking power.
The Illuminati was full of backstabbing snakes attempting at a grab for power.
@@WELSHGAMER99 yes, all of them. They only care about their own personal gain.
Yup. He was the lesser of two evils.
"That was my colleague, my friend..."
Yeah, sure Everett....
At least he cared
He calls him "friend", but with friends like this, who needs enemies?
The main villain of the prequels.
A piece of meat in the fridge that many players might skip in the first game.
*Even though Lucius DeBeers manipulated the world many times over, he still deserves some pity for being trapped in a freezing chamber while not knowing that his associate has no intentions of reviving him.*
Eh, how naive, delusional and self-absorbed can one be in order to not notice that?
WanderingPropeller Good point. Lucius has been leading an organization that specializes in treachery, so he should have suspected that some in his own inner circle would have ulterior motives of their own.
@@tonyc.0451 maybe he's in denial.
@@vincegalila7211 Perhaps. He did say that Everett continued ignoring his messages. Reminds me of my former classmates.
@@tonyc.0451 His desperation to be revived had probably misplaced his judgement that he used to have as an Illuminatus. Maybe he did suspect it or feared it, but did not wish to openly recognize it as a possibility; so not to prophesize his own demise.
When you realize hè was voiced by Lo Wang.
RIP John Galt.
I didn't know this guy even existed.
A reinstall is due.
Joe Biden in his basement, most of the time.
LOL
"I thought the leader was Harris"
"I AM THE LEADER"
That's impossible.
Lucius is far more comprehensive.
They keep him cold so the ice cream doesn't melt
sorry buddy, but lucius is a english dude, not some dumbass old fart who can't walk straight.
What an amazing game this is. This is a completely optional encounter, yet so powerful.
you'd think everett would absolutley rage after killing his most valuable asset
Everett needs JC to stop Majestic 12 and Bob Page to have a chance of bringing the Illuminati back in power. The weight of the situation and how much the Dentons are tied to it all is much more valuable than keeping DeBeers around.
I recall a mail Sarif sent to his secretary, where he told her to not answer his phonecalls or something Lucioys DeBeers that is, who tried to contact Sarif quite often.
Yeah Sarif says something like "I've had enough of him and his influence peddling"
DeBeers: You've killed me!
Denton: Good.
This is why deus ex is the best, its a big brain game that garners discussion
I had no idea this dude existed till I saw this video
Anyone who uses the term "big brain" is not smart enough to play Deus Ex.
@@tiotom9217 It's a video game. Relax.
@@tiotom9217 like you're doing right now? hahaha BUSTED, son! Mr. keyboard warrior got shut down.
@@genesisbustamante-durian Pure cringe.
@@tiotom9217 Big brain.
The supreme enlightened couldn't foresee the Illuminati wanting to eventually use him as a tool to suit their own needs? 😂
Self-importance is blinding. Probably believed he was still being worshipped. Perhaps the tank didn't save him from senility.
2:01 There's something with the way he says 'injustices' that is just cracking me up :')
This is how gamers will look like in 2052
In my first play-through I actually told lucius the truth, and then left him to freeze screaming.
damn bro you cold
So was Lucius.
Same. I didn't want to kill this defenseless dude, mostly, but part of me also giggled at the poetic justice of Lucius' situation.
IIRC, he refuses to talk to Morgan if you keep him alive.
I did the same but I genuinely thought I would come back to the Illuminati Base. I thought it was gonna be my new "home base" like Unatco was for a few chapters.
I would say there’s functional justice, not only poetic vengeance, in keeping him alive and imprisoned. If he’s still trying to “COMMAND” even in suicide, then he still hasn’t been redeemed. He should be kept alive to sort himself out with only a copy of Crime and Punishment to pass the years. His illusion being shattered is just premature “enlightenment.” Cold eternity can be an opportunity to free oneself from one’s own maladaptively constructed life context.
WOW! I cant fucking believe I missed this in my first playthrough of Deus Ex that I just finished today. And I thought I explored everything there was to explore in my first playthrough. Wtf... There was a locked door in his house that I couldn't find a code for. But I thought it was because you would return to his house and get the code then. Like Level 2 of the MJ12 labs. I wonder what else I missed...
Ryan Copper I totally missed this after 4 play through 9 years later you learn new shit great game
@@Neroshi-Interactive I've playing Deus Ex for 20 years (stretch sure as the game is "only" 18 years old but I first played it the very month it came out) and I'm still exploring it... and it's not a stretch! I'm continuously discovering content I haven't yet seen.
@@mysteriousDSF it just great game. I love the dialogue, I didn't realise he was in this game when I notice him in MD. I going replay it again soon maybe Christmas
@@Neroshi-Interactive go for it
I missed both Lucius and Echelon the first playthrough :P
This was sad. And I just remembered that I didn't come back after talking to Everett.
I CO*MAAAND* YOU
Everett will be here soon.
The madman still has this as his profile pic
@@Shadow77999 You just made my day, thanks.
2:45 "use the computer to my left"
hmmm around for decades? This takes place less than 30 years after Mankind Divided where we see DeBeers alive and well. And without a southern accent.
Well he was intended to have a British Accent but it was not possible die to budget. At least that's what I heard.
Yeah, actors charge $10,000 a line to do things in a British accent. Everyone knows that. It's in their union contract. It's why in Hollywood films they have British actors use American accents. Much cheaper that way.
the Southern accent is way cooler :-D
@@mysteriousDSF how cool are we talking here? 18 C?
One of the two bases for international Jewry is London, so it makes sense for him to have a British accent.
Seeing this made the illuminati ending a no go!
MR house!? I didn't know u had a brother?
Jc denton is the courier confirmed
@@boone4531
Victor: "I don't mean to bug you pardner, but why are you wearing these sun-glasses all the time? There isn't even any sun inside the buildings!"
JC Denton: "My vision is augmented."
All that power, Just to end up as a popsicle in the freezer
jimmy carter the first member of the trilateral commission
It was cool to see him in Mankind Divided intro cutscene
He is also seen in Mankind Divided's "hidden" ending which starts to play after the credits.
Spoiler warning, I guess: All of the endings have their strenghts and weaknesses, of course. But this right here is a big part of why I think that, if you picked the Illuminati ending, you weren't really paying attention.
I already knew the Illuminati were untrustworthy scheming people who can, have, and will do terrible things in service to their plan, but I also know what their plan is. Its the late 20th century.
Helios, by contrast, is a dark horse. I don't know what it will do. Could be great, could be terrible, and it still deprives people of their agency just like the Illuminati.
Then there's the dark age. All I know there is that anarchy will reign and the world will be in turmoil. Personally, I prefer it and its freedom to the other two, but I can still see why the Illuminati are better in some ways.
The Illuminati are essentially the safe option. The one for someone who's opposed to absolute control, but willing to accept anything shy of that for prosperity, or the one for someone control is necessary to guide humanity forward, but doesn't think an unknown quantity like Helios can be trusted to do that.
@@uppishcub1617If you don't trust Helios you don't trust yourself with unlimited power. It's not a bad thing, but unless you played JC as a sociopath, Helios is far from the worst outcome.
@@WisteriaNerium Helios isn't me though. Its a being made in part from me. I don't trust it because I don't know it.
@@uppishcub1617 You merge with Helios. Helios itself isn't interested in merging with Bob Page and goes straight to JC because it wants to understand human affairs better. JC becomes Helios, all his knowledge and what he learned would shape it up. If Helios wanted unlimited control for control sake, it wouldn't have stalled Bob Page and helped JC
@@WisteriaNerium Helios also isn't JC. Its only partly made from JC. I don't know its real intentions, whatever they may be.
this game was waaaaaaaay ahead of its time.
was watching this imagining Alex Jones in power armor bursting through the wall and breathlessly releasing a rant like, "THIS IS IT FOLKS, I TOLD YOU ALL ALONG! THE GRAND TRAITOR OF HUMANITY HIMSELF, MR. DEBEERS OF THE ILLUMINATI, TALKING TO SOME CYBERNETIC DEMON!" while waving a camcorder in their faces
there should be a cheat code to spawn Alex Jones in every _Deus Ex_ game, and he should be scripted to be an ally who automatically attacks every NPC allied with a faction scheming to run the world
GOTEM!
GOTEM!
AH COHMMAND YOO
Never really liked Everett all that much.
for damn good reasons (like this case)
I don't know about you but I like my DeBeers cold.
Keeping Lucius DeBeers in that condition shows what Nicolette DuClare warned Denton about Morgan Everett: "Everett will be a powerfull allied, but you can be certain he will have his own agenda".
This game would've been literally PERFECT and I mean FUCKING PERFECT... if they would've give the option to stay with UNATCO and fight against the Rebelion; maybe stopping Paul (continuing Manderley's assignment in Hong Kong), trying to destroy Silhouette or even becoming the new UNATCO director, assigned by Walton Simons.
Yeah either that or taking it over from within with the few good people left there.
That would basically require an entirely new game.
Then you missed the point of the game. The whole point is that it's more "grey" then black or white.
"I keep his metabolism low so he will last" Isn't the whole point of being a warm-blooded organism that your metabolism stays the same regardless of external temperature?
There’s a “lizard people” joke in there somewhere but I can’t pull off a satisfying one
Come on, man. Writer's license. It's the infinite power of nano-metabolic stasis.
If you keep meat the in freezer it lasts longer than in the sauna
The point of being warm-blooded is that your internal temperature is the same regardless of external temperatures
@@elijahgreybosh7882 Meat doesn't have metabolism, though. It just spoils in the sauna quicker because the warm ambient temperature is good for bacteria growth.
Well beer supposed to be chilled
"Use the computer to my left"
That's your right, iceman
The soundtrack to this game is so... Atmospheric
And Morgan never bother to explains WHY he has no intention of reviving Lucius. Just that he doesn't want to.
he was your friend? you got a funny way of showing it everett
If I had seen this before I left I would have never even considered getting the Illuminati ending.
I too like my beer cold
What if JC just “trips” on his power cord ha
The technology has been around for decades? He’s only been frozen for no more than 20 years…
It's a quirk of some prequels to mess up with the timeline even in small and big ways, even if they're very careful or good in their own right. It's inevitable.
that's the main reason I didn't choose the illuminati ending. Everett is nuts.
You know... after playing Mankind Divided and seeing Debeers kinda sorta plot to killswitch all civilian augs with the Human Restoration Act, I kinda sorta don't feel bad about letting him stay frozen now.
Agreed. Though seeing how Everett treats him too, and what he has planned... I trust both of them as much as Gunther trusts a soda vending machine.
@@Mulluns Lolz... Invisible War. That too was proven to be a conspiracy theory by the maintenance man. XD
Look its Biden
Bonjour Everett. You forgot deux beers in the freezer.
I knew Hargreave from Crysis 2 looked familiar. This was probably where the Crysis team got the idea of an old wise man stuck in futuristic life support.
cold if you are being betrayed but wararm if you found a sentiencce looking to return to the full commuumity
i think i left him after he said i command you.
18 degrees? That's not chilly at all, that's warm.
that's why i hate everett he's a betrayer and he only helped jc so he rules again you barely hear from him to help you unlike tracer tong.
Man that's depressing, very much. Lucius' voice acting is incredible.
Regards his best friend and colleague as equipment.
Yeah, nice person.
3:36 so sad really
Nah. Fuck the Illuminati swine.
@@macklinbutcher3145 he is still a human
Deus Ex was light years ahead of it's competition.
At least Everett is kind to his friends
i feel sad for not knowing this
18 degrees celsius (about 64 fahrenheit) doesn't sound that cold, but rather pleasant.
They are talking about internal body temperature, not ambient temperature
@@RicoJazz Though isn't a temperature below 34 degrees lethal?
@@Jeansowaty Nah, I've been 32.4 last week when I went outside without a hat. It depends on the person.
@@thosemerc3113 Are you sure that your internal temperature was that low tho? Woah man you're a unit lool
@@Jeansowaty It's not that uncommon. I think the world record is 13.7 by Anna Bagenholm, tho she barely survived that obviously.
*smack lips
"What a rotten way to die"
I literally never encountered this in my playthrough.
Is it just me, or is 18 Celsius too warm to keep somebody in stasis? I mean, that's like 64 Fahrenheit, which is way warmer than a lot of the world
Did Everett mean to say Kelvin or something?
its a fucking game you fucking killjoy
18 kelvin? -255.15 °C?
sorry guys I meant calvin haha he's my friend just a joke hhaha :^)
He's a little cold, not frozen. Keep in mind he's naked and immobile in there.
@@jgt_ thermodynamics disagrees with your pseudo-knowledge.
Deus Ex: Lucius DeBeers
aka J.C. Denton meeting Joe Biden.
"I will not be a prisoner" yet commands and manipulates everyone.
I COMMAND YOU!
_I am so cold_
"you're alive in that thing?"
What would happen if you left Lucius alive and talk to Everett?
Nothing more than what you see here.
The computer is on his right, not his left.
the Dbeers in the original Deus Ex seems to gullible to be the same guy in Mankind Divided. Though maybe It's just the bad voice acting and cheesy dialogue.
Old people are often a bit deluded (probably because of cognitive decline) so no wonder that an old man who used to be the literal master of the world is. Also I'm pretty sure anyone kept paralysed all day in a fridge in a dark room would rapidly become batshit crazy and delusional in order to cope with the situation.
Not to mention being kept constantly cold like that would definitely slow your thought process. And yeah, even very smart people delude themselves.
Would it radically change your accent though? DX:MD DeBeers is English, whereas this one is some sort of Deep South colonel.
Maybe being frozen for a very fucking long time and being so fragile that you need a machine to be kept alive does that to people.
Or decades spent in ice?
Bloodshot
lmao I didn't know there was this whole storyline, I just killed deBeers before even talking to Everett.
GOTTEM!
I've played this game several times and had no idea about this
Everett did not seem to be very upset
would have been cool if there was a quest to bring Debeers to a hospital and have him revived. and serve him as the right hand man of the real leader of the illuminati
Lol, I always killed him for shits and giggles, I didn't know if you kept talking to him he asked you himself.
yes lol, 4th playthrough, I just killed him right way
So ww3 am I right guys I guess I missed that briefing
I am the leader. I'm so cold. Uuuuuhbbbbbbfgghhhh
After you know what Lucius has done in the last few decades this scene takes on some weight since you have to evaluate the whole situation again. Lucius deserves the cold hell but morality tells you show mercy since you are better than him. I can't stand him but I always let him die since I feel sorry for him. Moreover, he is beaten and does not influence anything anymore.
It's even arguable if death can be considered a mercy. Death is an irreversible cessation of existence - while it could be seen as freeing him from enslavement, it's still.. death, you know
@@SaturnineXTS well, it is a question about morality. Yes, death is a serious thing however several perspectives have to be taken into account. For instance, Lucius is most likely an old man in his mid 90s or even older, forced to exist in a freezing hell every single day without the ability to do anything except to exist. The only thing he can see is the wall in front of him and there won't be any way out as Everett pointed out. There is no dignity or humanity in keeping him like this, it is just torture and suffering. To be honest, I don't know how I would react in real life if beeing faced with the same situation but I think it would be worth considering to let such a person die.
@@LakituKoopa Just let Lucius know he's being fucked with, but don't kill him - he'll refuse to help Everett any further until he's either restored or killed by the latter.
@@LakituKoopa Yes, after putting it like that, it's def a necessity to end his life. I also feel the supermax prison in Colorado is potentially more cruel a fate than death.
Sure is one necessary moment of video game euthanasia alongside similar moments from Thief II: The Metal Age, the Halo series, and Telltale's The Walking Dead: Season One, this.