@@boostedmedia oh yeah, they certainly have some great products, no question. I have a DD Pro (& a load of other Fanatec gear), I was really unsure if the DD Pro was going to be sufficient, but it has exceeded my expectations, as has the other Fanatec gear we have. I hope a solution can be found for Fanatec.
@@boostedmedia unreliable products tho. any and all forums you will find a lot of people with technical issues and zero help from the fanatec customer service. The OP is correct. they have way more to worry about. they have lost the mind share of the sim racing community.
@@boostedmedia It's been almost 2 years of owning a decent fanatec setup and generally I enjoyed having the gear but lately I've been wanting to move over to another brand simply because I can't stand how drifting suxs with such a weak bumpstops, I have to resort to FFB Tweaks settings in AC just to have a firm bump stop while all other brands have settings inside their firmware that lets you configure how soft or hard you want them to be. So playing other games my wheel sometimes rotates 40-50 degrees past the bumpstop range due to inertia and then I have this deadzone which I have to put the wheel back from to get steering back again and it suxs ... I've tried posting on forums to request this "feature" but they keep on delaying it. It was supposedly set to be out in 2022 or 2023 but now they're saying it they won't implement it until 2025 or later ... Obvioujsly I don't even know if they have any engeniers working on Fanatec drivers anymore due to the whole situation I just stopped following the whole story altogether ... And obviously changing just a base to Simmagic for example (Which everyone recommends fors drifting particularly) is tough because I don't even know how everything else would work without the base and everything. Or I could get the whole Simmagic setup and change everything at once but then that's a huge investment ... Sigh ... I'm curious on couple of things since you have experience with so much sim racing hardware. 1. How much better do you think owning a Simmagic base would in your opinion in comparison to something like CSL DD or GT DD PRO? 2. Does simmagic have any issues with game compatibility like for example Moza had? Like for example does Simagic have some sort of Compatbility mode like fanatec has? 3. Or do I stay within Fanatec eco system and upgrade my CSL DD to CS DD and hope that fanatec moves their ass and will continue developing features that customers request? I feel like I want to move out of Fanatec ecosystem but I'm so buried in it that it's a major pain to do a massive migration ... I just don't know anymore.
I bought into Moza based on availability and price but have continued to add their components because they're a no-brainer to me now. I trust them and that's a VERY nice feeling to have.
Same. Bought out of availability in NZ. Couldn't be happier. Love their eco system, haven't had a single issue, and the interactions with users on their discord etc. Prob gonna to go MOZA in my flightsim gear too!
All Moza needs now is to get into a licensing agreement with Sony so Moza can make Playstation compatible wheelbase SKUs. An R3 or R9 Playstation Compatible wheelbase at a slightly more expensive price would be great tbh!
Yup. Looks like a display so im sure they can just provide an option to disable the rotation in software. If not then they're dropping the ball with it. The input lag coupled with the damping is really jarring.
I bought into the Moza ecosystem because of the FSR steering wheel mainly. It’s almost a straight up replica of the FIA Formula 4 steering wheel in my daughter’s race car. Also managed to mod the CRP pedals to exactly replicate both feel/throw and pressure of the F4. Helps to have it next to the rig while modding. Both iRacing and the actual race car use AIM data log which further helped get the actual pressure in the calipers spot on. Actually picked up a R21 today to swap the old R12v2 with. Haven’t tried the new algorithm yet but very excited to do so. Biggest downside (maybe really only so far) are the ridiculous oscillations. Can’t even take one hand off the wheel, but then again we have been running the R12 maxed out for F4 simulation. Be interesting to see if the R21 handles it better. Disappointed to hear Moza didn’t deal with this for their major update. To clarify: Not a big issue in anything else but the F4, but that’s 85% of what we are running.
Ok It's pretty awesome that you and your daughter formula racce. I was thinking about getting another wheel for my r5 setup. Just so I have a couple wheels to swap between.
I wouldve definetly gone with Moza if i had a chance to start again. I was after a trucking setup anyway and built up something nice with Fanatec and Virpil but Moza has released exactly what i wanted in the first place. Im really impressed with Moza, theyll be getting my business when their ffb joystick releases as they have suppliers in Aus so they save me from extra customs charges, a win for the consumer.
No customs on these products into Oz just GST. Buying locally gives you Australian consumer law protection that is a big plus over buying OS and importing yourself plus Oz retailer would get better bulk freight rates I expect.
I feel the same way.. I've been waiting for years for a company to release turn signals/stalks. And Moza freaking did it.. The only thing Im a bit thrown appart about is, I really want the new Multifunctional Stalks, but I also would like to have the Simagic Alpha wheelbase.. just don't know whether its compatible. Im mainly drifting and street racing.
Crazy how years back when the cheaper Direct Drives from Fanatec like the 5nm versions were announced. It was such a hype. At the same time Fanatec were abit partial on selling and shipping products to the UK at the time due to the Brexit ordeal. Fast forward to this day, more companies are making their own Direct Drives which ultimately buried Fanatec slowly. The joys of having multiple companies competing. Technology will keep going forward. And if the tech slows down. The competition switches from who has the better technology to who has the better pricing. For the benefit of the consumer.
More companies but not really more stock. It's lots of small companies making a relatively handful of products that can't even sate the demand - and it seems rather pointless them paying youtubers to push these products when you can't actually buy them. Moza have obviously got a foothold in UK retail market, so yeah that is head and shoulders above most of the others - not the least because overclockers are selling stock through currys and argos too I believe - but it's always out of stock - and overclockers have a ton of B-stock moza stuff suggesting a lot of people are sending it back - not a great advert. The only thing stopping me from buying something other than moza is that all the rest simagic et al are out of stock too. About the only thing I can buy is logitech, and they are currently flogging pro wheel + pedals for less than they initially charged for the wheel alone (for the PC only option with boosted 5% discount) - but the logitech has a ton of reports of noises appearing that seem to be from the quick release - and the logitech has one or more things out of stock at different times too. And whatever blather people might have about covid or part availability for electronics or motors etc the same is true of stuff like rigs and seats - most of those are out of stock. And it's all so ridiculously overpriced - mostly because it's not manufactured to scale it's just tinpot small companies. That gives some the notion that sim racing is massively popular, but that isn't true.
I recently bought the Moza R5 Bundle, and I'm really happy with it. However, I don't fully see the need for a wheel with a screen. I understand that some might want an F1-style wheel, but I never look at my wheel while driving, whether in sims or real life. Personally, I’d prefer a wheel without a screen. It seems more practical to buy a small LCD and place it next to the monitor for RPMs. The built-in gyro is a nice feature, but the constant shaking of the UI while driving makes it difficult to use effectively.
if you drive with out the wheel showing in sim you can lose out on revs, gears etc on cars where that info is displayed on the in sim wheel so i can see why people would want a screens with those cars.. personally i would just use on overlay to give me that info or if i could attach an lcd screen to my wheel base id do it that way.. i drive in vr in ac at the mo and there are cars where i end up using the in sim wheel display but then in those cars in vr you tend to be lower any way when my UW screen arrives i will just use an overlay. im limited for wheels on my g pro any way lol
its not just in f1 but in performance cars/tuned cars in general( obviously im street cars yiu dont have dash on your wheel) but you have a dash i have a tuned car and having a digital dash is very important in real life along with the guages such as widebands to monitor afr at all time because not having them can be dangerous
You can buy a formula wheel mod for like 40 bucks from moza for the r5 bundle , it's very simple , but makes the r5 even better as it's lighter wheel for the ffb to move. Hahah
I was thinking of upgrading from my clanky Logitech G29, my intention was a Fanatech club sport base & the Mclaren Wheel & club sport peddles. Now after hearing Fanatec’s woe’s the past year I put my upgrade on hold. After hearing your thoughts on the Moza update I my go Moza but not for awhile as I spent the money I had put aside for an upgraded sim racing experience on a Mazda MX 5 track ready car and before anyone says that’s ridiculous saying that my slightly broken & being repaired MX5 cost about the same as the mentioned sim gear and boy is it fun!
Great review, Will. I own a R16 base (after a R9 V1) and I must say that it is game changer. I couldn't believe the amount of information that I'm recieving now into my gear. It is just awesome. I few joy to drive now instead of fight with the car. Moza did really well :) Cheers!
Will I think you are absolutely right that this is not game changing for customers (for now) but for their brand reputation. Though I don’t like the wheel (whoever does a proper 911 GT3 R replica wheel first can print money), but getting a partnership with Porsche is huge for their brand and my trust in them. In fact I‘m considering switching from Fanatec.
Its a game changer for customers too. Old customers are grateful and new customers know that they wont regret their purchase as Moza keeps improving post sales.
I feel tons of detail on my DD in iRacing compared to the other sims I’ve used it on, such as RaceRoom, Rennsport and F123. I don’t get the same immersion in those as i do iRacing. It’s not even comparable honestly. I feel every bump dip crest and curb on my rig.
This is so weird to read. I've tried every setting I can find, and iRacing's FFB, while fine, still feels miles behind Rf2/LMU, AMS2, Raceroom, and the original AC. It's definitely serviceable, but it's far from laudable.
Just missed a few clips of Will sweating in a corner, slamming an energy drink, stuffing some Skittles down for another kick and then the triumphant dash across the sim testing finish line :P
I would really like to see a video with updated recommended settings for the Moza wheels (especially once this update drops for their other bases) I have an R9 and it is definitely an upgrade from the old T300 but it has been tough to get dialed in just right. I feel like I have had it at "good enough" for a while now. Would love to see what your suggestions would be with this new update!
I bought two Moza wheels, the R16, SR-P pedals, HGP Shifter and the digital screen for 2,100 AUD One of the greatest deals I’ve ever made. I am delighted to get even more value out of a product I have already bought. It’s kind of feels like receiving a free new upgraded wheelbase I love the fact that Moza keep on investing in their software and ecosystem striving to act in the players interest
It's great when companies keep pushing each other, healthy competition is what's best for the consumer. Let's see where Fanatec goes from here and what other, currently more nieche brands like Asatek and Simagic can bring to the table. In unrelated news: is a review of the Simlab LC handbrake coming soon? I've seen it a couple of times already and thinking about getting one for rallying.
Thanks for the video, happy to see Moza owners get more FFB quality for they're money :) The only reason i think why Fanatec will still be around is PS compatibility. Not hating on Fanatec as i got a DD Pro and a DD+ but other brands seems to give you more for the money these days if you dont need PS compatibility.
I had a quick test (30 mins, iRacing) of the new software this morning, and my jaw hit the floor! I honestly highly rated the R12 before, it was just a bit of a thrashing beast more often than not. The new software makes it feel like a completely different animal, and in a good way, with the cogging now all but gone when out of game. I've never felt cogging when in the game, as some others have mentioned, so I cant comment on that. There is so much more detail in the feedback that I was going faster and faster with each lap... it almost felt like I had cheat mode turned on 😂 All in all it's an amazing software update, that makes the hardware seem magically upgraded too, bravo Moza.
I like when my choice in wheelbase continues to be justified. Really looking forward to the active pedals. Going to get them un-active to start, as I need an upgrade for my T3PA's, but Moza is shining really brightly now.
This update's come out about a month too late for me to have briefly tested it and overseen its use in an esports competition on moza hardware, would have been interesting to hear what the drivers would have thought of it
Oscillations in iRacing is not inherent of the wheel base, it is due to the 60htz. Go into ACC and no oscillation due to higher frequency... Simucube, Fanatec, they will all oscillate in iRacing.
I've not fully nailed down my settings in iRacing yet for the 360hz but it's better than it was previously. Simucube are still king of that castle cause they have a higher resolution encoder (22 bit vs 18bit in the simagic) but it's certainly a significant improvement.
Interesting. The oscillation on your wheel is strange. Sarah Nocchi tested that part too and had none of it, which was a pleasant surprise and great news. Did they revert?
Once my fanatec gear stops working I’ll go for Monza. But so far I never had any problems with my fanatec gear. I am using a CSW 2.5 with the Porsche wheel.
Hi Will, Big fan of your reviews here. I love how much you're enjoying the driving in this review. I've been on the fence trying to decide between Asetek Forte and Moza R16. I think Moza's FFB update and your review of it, along with their recent FFB Pedals has tipped me to Moza. I've been using a Fanetec CSL DD 8nm for 3ish years and have been quite happy with that. I'm upping my game now, taking a sim racing course, learning to read and learn from telemetry, and just driving driving more often and more competitively. My expectations have changed and I'm looking for that little bit more from the FFB hardware and software. Thanks for another great review! Enjoy! Rick
Hi Will, thank you for your hard work in bringing us these informative videos. I'm glad you mentioned the rubber band effect; I have the R5 bundle and I feel this rubber band effect mostly in my favourite game:ACC! How can I minimise this in the Pithouse software? Funny because with my G27 it was my favourite sim but with the R5 it's become my least favourite. That mantle has gone to AMS2, closely followed by Raceroom. The FFB is phenomenal on these sims. A revelation has been the F1 games! What a difference with the R5. On a totally different subject; where's your brother at. You guys have great chemistry together :)
@@UncommonManFromEarth @UncommonManFromEarth Well there's a good few I'd say. The power is definitely a plus, the CSL DD has a noticeable drop off in torque mid corner, because it can really only hold at 6nm. One of the most immediate differences is how the R12 can sustain it's strength throughout the whole corner, it makes a big difference and feels a lot better. The R12's quick release is really great, if you're coming from a QR1 is a massive step up, if you're coming from a QR2, it's on the same level of rigidity. The software offers a lot of customization to feel the FFB the way you want and tailor it from game to game. The firmware does seem to improve the FFB further for some titles but it's always been a very detailed experience, never felt like i was missing something compared to the CSL DD. I have to say as well, the flexibility to just use any wheel you want without hassle is a big plus. As far as support goes, I can't speak too much for Moza directly as I buy my Moza stuff from Sim Motion, which they've been really nice to work with when I did have an issue, an issue that was thankfully resolved quite simply, but they were responsive and helpful and at the ready to send a label if something needed to be returned. That said, I've only had 1 issue since I've owned the base so I've only had to reach out the one time. Compare that to Fanatec, where I had to reach out quite a few times and eventually had to be refunded for a wheel and quick release. All and all the R12's been a great step up, I don't think you'd be disappointed going with them. I also have their SRP Pedals and a few wheels and I can say they're also quite solid. The only word of warning I can think of is if you choose to buy it, definitely buy the mounting bracket as it makes it much easier to mount. And be careful screwing the mounting screws into the bottom of the base as it's pretty easy to strip them.
I wasn't aware they had this update. I can't wait to try it on my R12 setup. I actually use it as a secondary setup now. It used to be my main setup, until I realized the T818 was only hated on because every consumer and review is evidently ill-knowledged on what plastic can do and how different one plastic can be from another. (I formulate high strength plastics btw, nothing to worry about with the T818 and longevity.) The T818 just feels better and stronger than the R12. It's underrated. Like literally, the motor for the T818 is underrated. It is definitely more powerful than the R12 and has notably more detail. Hopefully this FFB can put them back on even playing field as they should be. I've always rooted for Moza to be amazing, but their detail has always been SEVERELY lacking; both in basic and fine detail. I love my T818, but it'd be hilarious if this update makes me throw the R12 back on the main rig and throw Thrustmaster on the back burner a 2nd time 🤣 Very bummed how the T818s reception has been though. It was kind of a flop fully based on uneducated presumtions, and it still doesn't sell nearly as well as it should. Very sad that it's that easy to be pushed down in the market. It's best-in-class imo
Depends on your budget, but Moza is amazing. I went from an R5 to R9 and can vouch for them! The "cheap" Moza wheels are way better than the equivalent from Fanatec.
About to jump into the DD market with the R12. I had been waiting to see what your thoughts were on this update. I now feel confident that the R12 is the best choice.
I have had my moza r5 sense march of 2023 and have not updated pithouse or firmware sense. I am actually excited to update my software and and try out this update. I mainly do drifting in AC and have my wheel tuned to feel pretty great with next to zero oscillation when driving straight in AC with only a small amount of damper and filtering so im excited to see how this update feels
What a nice surprise this is for Moza owners. Looking forward to trying this with my r12. iRacing has felt lifeless in terms of road feel compared to AMS2, if this gives a nice road feel in iRacing i will be very happy. Feel free to post your updated settings Will 😁 EDIT: Tried it. Liked it. Liked it a lot. Was racing f4 around Virginia in iRacing. Lots of detail. Could not find the details on how to get the beta thing going in Discord, but there is a Redit thread called 'Moza Firmware update beta test' that has easy to follow instructions.
That wheel with the rotating speedometer is pretty SICK. First time I've ever seen that. I'm very interested in starting in the Moza eco with the R5 Bundle coming from a G920, I'm glad to see they recently did this update. But I am definitely getting THAT wheel too 😆
My main question is still not answered anywhere. Does this FFB 3.0 also roll out to the other Wheelbases? If yes, when? I do have the R16 V2 and would really appreciate to receive the same quality of FFB. If anyone knows, please let me know. Thanks.
For me, With the KS the oscillation is 100% gone!!! that's a huge difference, not being terrified of easing the tigth grip on the wheel! the other thing i feel is the suspension travel on high kerbs
Thanks Will, not sure if this is a hard or easy question for you. I'm interested in your opinion. I'm about to purchase a bunch of sim gear, mainly racing but also flying. If you were to fresh start now, which ecosystem would you go for? I'm currently tossing up between Simagic & Moza.
I have the R9 and in general very happy with it! Only in Rfactor2 in F1 mods everytime the pitlimiter was on the steer always vibrated very badly in a way that my whole rig was shaking (and probably my neighbours as well). No issue when driving though. Fixed it in the end by dialing down road strength I believe. I wonder if we can see the settings being used in moza pithouse that you used. Want to compare it to what I have :)
I’ve had my R9 v1 for over a year now and really happy with it. Mainly iRacing so far and it’s a massive upgrade over my previous G29. This being my first and only dd I can’t say I can notice the issues that @boostedmedia points out but trust his opinion. I’ll wait for this to come out of beta but looking forward to hopefully feeling an improvement. Exciting times!
The MOZA gear is top notch! I’m upgrading my R5 Bundle with the KS wheel to the R9, GS, and their new pedals 🤤 my biggest conflict is VR. 60% of the time it’s good all the time. About to go with the 56” Curved Samsung ultrawide
I enjoy using my Moza R5 for AC and Iracing and just did the Beta Install, I had to recalibrate a few things but it now feels notchy, as if the bearings are too tight. You mentioned in the vid that you did some tweaks, could you share those please.
I have road detail set to 9 and then all the other filters either completely off or set very low depending on subjective preference. Maybe add a touch of inertia and friction. Didn’t feel the need to adjust the EQ or linearity.
I myself am torn between the CSL DD and hearing all the problems people have had with them, and the Moza R9. The R9 is much more affordable all in, but this isn't the first time I've heard that the FFB in Fanatec wheels is so good. Another reason I'm leaning towards Moza, is their ecosystem. To get more wheels, or upgrade in any form, it's SO much cheaper with Moza... I can't justify paying $400 for a wheel rim when I've already spent almost $1,000 on the entire setup to begin with....
Go with the Moza; try find the Fanatec equivalent of the KS wheel and compare prices and materials. I found it laughable and haven't regretted going Moza at all, it's so good.
I ended up with more money than I thought I would have to spend on my wheelbase, and I've ordered the Moza R12 :D Again, obviously probably not going to take full advantage of the 12nm of force lol But I don't have the room for a dedicated cockpit for a wheel setup in my apartment, so it's just not possible. R12 with the ES Wheel and SRP Pedals with Clutch and Accessory Kit is what I got. Just under $900 US
I have an r5 with the ffb beta, I can't exactly tell you how it feels different but it's different. You can actually run over kerbs now and it'll feel realistic, just like I'm in my real life road car. Also I've noticed now it doesn't want to ossilate like it did before so you don't need to have a hard grip on the wheel, little things like that help with fatigue
Would you please tell me where you went to download the beta? I’m looking for the NexGen 3 beta for my R9 base. I only see an announcement for the R12 base. Thanks.
Love the videos! Do you have a list of your settings for the r12 with the new firmware? I race mostly gt cars in RaceRoom and I’ve been trying to find a setting I like, updating it tonight hopefully and wanting to compare good settings with good settings as you have done here.
I ave fanatec right now and i was planning on upgrading my CSL DD with the clubsport DD but i do like the steering wheels that moza has would you recommend the R12 from moza or the clubsport DD ?
I'm really looking forward to your review of the CRP2s and Active Pedal. Moza's pedal game is so weak I've been thinking of ditching all my moza gear for something better for a long time. But this gives me hope! (also I would like a review of a bavarian simtec alpha if you ever get the chance 😉)
I am new to sim racing and planning to build set up end of year. I was going to go Simagic but then started looking at Moza with all their new gear ( love that porsche wheel). Money aside, would you recommend the simagic base over the Moza? When you describe that rubber band like feeling had me rethinking. I want the most realistic experience. Either going for the 21nm bases or 15nm.
I bought into the Moza ecosystem with the R9 base, CS, and KS. Sticking to iRacing mostly, I am really excited to try this update and feel the difference.
Moza was my go to for Christmas this year. Others are out of my price range, and Fanatec is in a weird spot with the acquisition. Next year will be exciting to see what Corsair does with them, but Moza is on a steady track of solid releases with the TSW, stalk controller and the price drops on bases. Very excited for the bundle i bought from Sim Motion - R12, SR-P 3 pedal, wheel mount, and a SSH Thorn shifter for around $900 total.
I guess they've messed up the onwheel clock because they used gyroscope. Gyroscope has definitely much more delay than simple input data. For example if you pick an average android phone and play with the tilt you will experience at least 50 ms gyros latency which is then converted into the code value that transforms into an axis rotation on the clocks UI. This is useless. In my opinion the wheel display has to convert the actual wheel rotation from the MOZA software. It's like one line of code instead of three. So in C# it would look like: public RectTransform dashboard; public float wheelRot; void Update() { wheelRot = Mathf.Round(Input.GetAxis("TheAxisOfMozawheelRotationDefinedBySoftware"); dashboard.transform.rotation = new Vector2(Mathf.Lerp(dashboard.transform.rotation.x, wheelRot, time.deltaTime * 10f), 0); }
@@boostedmedia The software or relevant game engine can read any input axis float value from any type of input controller. "MozaWheelAxis" was only an example. It's usually a scale from -44000 to +44000.
For trucking simulator, there is pretty much only moza really. Kinda sucks there is only one as Fanatec simply don't care about there costumers anymore.
My R9 still has a jerky kind or ripple roboticness to it. Got a new settings file we could have.? I see one on your website but i assume that the really old settings in which you removed the video for.
Fanatec just released a shaft extension for the Fanatec DD/DD+. Any chance you can do a comparison with the extension vs the CSL DD, for example? Would be very helpful.
Some if your videos directly inspired me to go for Moza gear and with this we just keep winning, thanks for keeping us informed with the consumer in mind!
I got Moza R12 and KS wheel, they are good bang for a buck. Got them off from sale. Previously had GT DD Pro - i feel like the extra strenght and FFB details makes is absolutely worth it. I like it a lot more than the GT DD Pro. The feeling was really nice.
Is it too late to ask if the r12 is better than the alpha mini from simagic. For context I've never had a dd wheel but I've been hearing the neverending: nm>detail vs detail>nm. Considering the price difference is not that much right now (499 usd vs 539 usd)
Hi Will, how does the R12 with the new firmware compare to the Alpha Mini in terms of feedback and details? Would you still "definitely absolutely 100% unequivocally choose Simagic"? 😅
@@boostedmedia Thanks for the reply, Moza did reduce the price of R12 down to $500, and where I am, the Alpha Mini is the same price as the R12 and my plan was to get the Alpha Mini + GT Neo wheel with Moza peripherals such as the truck wheel etc. Considering the new firmware, do you think this route of mix and matching makes sense or should I go all in Moza?
@@AFK-Toilet Alpha Mini+GT Neo has more quality the base (5 pole motor) and wheel than R12+KS (touched both KS and GT Neo). For circuit racing I could not understand Moza FFB tyre slip, very rarely I saved a spin. With Simagic I save a spin 9/10 times because the FFB is very clear to understand tyre slip (I had a R9 v2). Don't worry mix matching and grab your favourite parts and best local prices of your country.
I've been waiting for this video. Well done as always! Now I'm a bit confused, I'm looking around for a 12nm DD, a month ago I would have said the obvious choice for me is the La Prima bundle, but now with the announced CRP 2 and the fbb update to R12 along with the lower price I can't say that anymore. What is your opinion on this topic?
hey boosted!! im lookiung at getting back into sim racing in the next year or so. would be keen to see how to moza stacks up in longevity, with whatever maintenance needs to be sone to the physical hardware after longer periods of ownership/use
My DD+ arrived faulty, over 3 months ago, still waiting for Fanatec to provide any support or a refund. Fanatec shouldn’t be worried they should be in prison
Simagic > Moza, always. 18 bit encoder servo motor vs 15 bit encoder stepper motor. There's no way a software update can fully make up for that hardware difference.
Hello good sir, thank you for all the amazing videos. I do not know if you do, but as a long time follower and someone who made a big purchase from simagic depending on your views (my first dd wheel), It would be amazing if you shared your FFB settings for these popular brands and popular sims so we could also feel exactly what you do in certain cases. Maybe you do somewhere and I am just not aware if that is the case excuse me. Thank you for the effort in general 🙏🏻
I got the Moza R12 with beta firmware, i only drive ACC, i got 0 oscilations even before the beta firmware so its wierd that you got. Did you recalibrate the base after firmware update as instructed in the installation notes?
Think Fanatec are worried right now, but for other reasons…..
Despite everything else, they’ve still had excellent products to fall back on. Having cheaper alternatives close the gap is a big deal.
@@boostedmedia oh yeah, they certainly have some great products, no question. I have a DD Pro (& a load of other Fanatec gear), I was really unsure if the DD Pro was going to be sufficient, but it has exceeded my expectations, as has the other Fanatec gear we have. I hope a solution can be found for Fanatec.
Was about writing the same comment, they are busy with insolvency and buy up conferences. Competition isn't anything they looking at now 😅
@@boostedmedia unreliable products tho. any and all forums you will find a lot of people with technical issues and zero help from the fanatec customer service.
The OP is correct. they have way more to worry about. they have lost the mind share of the sim racing community.
@@boostedmedia It's been almost 2 years of owning a decent fanatec setup and generally I enjoyed having the gear but lately I've been wanting to move over to another brand simply because I can't stand how drifting suxs with such a weak bumpstops, I have to resort to FFB Tweaks settings in AC just to have a firm bump stop while all other brands have settings inside their firmware that lets you configure how soft or hard you want them to be.
So playing other games my wheel sometimes rotates 40-50 degrees past the bumpstop range due to inertia and then I have this deadzone which I have to put the wheel back from to get steering back again and it suxs ...
I've tried posting on forums to request this "feature" but they keep on delaying it. It was supposedly set to be out in 2022 or 2023 but now they're saying it they won't implement it until 2025 or later ... Obvioujsly I don't even know if they have any engeniers working on Fanatec drivers anymore due to the whole situation I just stopped following the whole story altogether ...
And obviously changing just a base to Simmagic for example (Which everyone recommends fors drifting particularly) is tough because I don't even know how everything else would work without the base and everything.
Or I could get the whole Simmagic setup and change everything at once but then that's a huge investment ... Sigh ...
I'm curious on couple of things since you have experience with so much sim racing hardware.
1. How much better do you think owning a Simmagic base would in your opinion in comparison to something like CSL DD or GT DD PRO?
2. Does simmagic have any issues with game compatibility like for example Moza had? Like for example does Simagic have some sort of Compatbility mode like fanatec has?
3. Or do I stay within Fanatec eco system and upgrade my CSL DD to CS DD and hope that fanatec moves their ass and will continue developing features that customers request?
I feel like I want to move out of Fanatec ecosystem but I'm so buried in it that it's a major pain to do a massive migration ...
I just don't know anymore.
I bought into Moza based on availability and price but have continued to add their components because they're a no-brainer to me now. I trust them and that's a VERY nice feeling to have.
Same. Bought out of availability in NZ. Couldn't be happier. Love their eco system, haven't had a single issue, and the interactions with users on their discord etc. Prob gonna to go MOZA in my flightsim gear too!
Same here best decision! 😊
Only downside in my op is the shifter so far. The sensors are not the best, as mine has failed after less than a year of use.
I ordered my fanatec and received it in 2 days (yes I paid for that shipping)
All Moza needs now is to get into a licensing agreement with Sony so Moza can make Playstation compatible wheelbase SKUs. An R3 or R9 Playstation Compatible wheelbase at a slightly more expensive price would be great tbh!
This
Agree
They sell a adapter and works fine. No one uses it but for some reason.
@@Andrew260RS whats the adapter bro?
Let's do this moza!
That laggy gyro display is not my cup of tea.
yeah... it's quite honestly jarring and takes away from the experience completely.
Yup. Looks like a display so im sure they can just provide an option to disable the rotation in software. If not then they're dropping the ball with it. The input lag coupled with the damping is really jarring.
Check out review. You can stop it rotating. But yeah the lag is disappointing.
@@boostedmedia Doesn't that defeat the purpose of having it in the first place?
looks like the display has quite low refresh rate
I bought into the Moza ecosystem because of the FSR steering wheel mainly. It’s almost a straight up replica of the FIA Formula 4 steering wheel in my daughter’s race car. Also managed to mod the CRP pedals to exactly replicate both feel/throw and pressure of the F4. Helps to have it next to the rig while modding. Both iRacing and the actual race car use AIM data log which further helped get the actual pressure in the calipers spot on.
Actually picked up a R21 today to swap the old R12v2 with. Haven’t tried the new algorithm yet but very excited to do so.
Biggest downside (maybe really only so far) are the ridiculous oscillations. Can’t even take one hand off the wheel, but then again we have been running the R12 maxed out for F4 simulation. Be interesting to see if the R21 handles it better. Disappointed to hear Moza didn’t deal with this for their major update.
To clarify: Not a big issue in anything else but the F4, but that’s 85% of what we are running.
Ok It's pretty awesome that you and your daughter formula racce. I was thinking about getting another wheel for my r5 setup. Just so I have a couple wheels to swap between.
I wouldve definetly gone with Moza if i had a chance to start again. I was after a trucking setup anyway and built up something nice with Fanatec and Virpil but Moza has released exactly what i wanted in the first place. Im really impressed with Moza, theyll be getting my business when their ffb joystick releases as they have suppliers in Aus so they save me from extra customs charges, a win for the consumer.
I don't like the design of the "bigger" Mozas, I was thinking to buy Fanatic but make the decision to buy the stuff from Simagic.
No customs on these products into Oz just GST. Buying locally gives you Australian consumer law protection that is a big plus over buying OS and importing yourself plus Oz retailer would get better bulk freight rates I expect.
I feel the same way.. I've been waiting for years for a company to release turn signals/stalks. And Moza freaking did it..
The only thing Im a bit thrown appart about is, I really want the new Multifunctional Stalks, but I also would like to have the Simagic Alpha wheelbase.. just don't know whether its compatible.
Im mainly drifting and street racing.
Crazy how years back when the cheaper Direct Drives from Fanatec like the 5nm versions were announced.
It was such a hype. At the same time Fanatec were abit partial on selling and shipping products to the UK at the time due to the Brexit ordeal.
Fast forward to this day, more companies are making their own Direct Drives which ultimately buried Fanatec slowly.
The joys of having multiple companies competing.
Technology will keep going forward.
And if the tech slows down. The competition switches from who has the better technology to who has the better pricing.
For the benefit of the consumer.
More companies but not really more stock. It's lots of small companies making a relatively handful of products that can't even sate the demand - and it seems rather pointless them paying youtubers to push these products when you can't actually buy them. Moza have obviously got a foothold in UK retail market, so yeah that is head and shoulders above most of the others - not the least because overclockers are selling stock through currys and argos too I believe - but it's always out of stock - and overclockers have a ton of B-stock moza stuff suggesting a lot of people are sending it back - not a great advert. The only thing stopping me from buying something other than moza is that all the rest simagic et al are out of stock too.
About the only thing I can buy is logitech, and they are currently flogging pro wheel + pedals for less than they initially charged for the wheel alone (for the PC only option with boosted 5% discount) - but the logitech has a ton of reports of noises appearing that seem to be from the quick release - and the logitech has one or more things out of stock at different times too.
And whatever blather people might have about covid or part availability for electronics or motors etc the same is true of stuff like rigs and seats - most of those are out of stock. And it's all so ridiculously overpriced - mostly because it's not manufactured to scale it's just tinpot small companies.
That gives some the notion that sim racing is massively popular, but that isn't true.
I recently bought the Moza R5 Bundle, and I'm really happy with it. However, I don't fully see the need for a wheel with a screen. I understand that some might want an F1-style wheel, but I never look at my wheel while driving, whether in sims or real life. Personally, I’d prefer a wheel without a screen. It seems more practical to buy a small LCD and place it next to the monitor for RPMs. The built-in gyro is a nice feature, but the constant shaking of the UI while driving makes it difficult to use effectively.
if you drive with out the wheel showing in sim you can lose out on revs, gears etc on cars where that info is displayed on the in sim wheel so i can see why people would want a screens with those cars.. personally i would just use on overlay to give me that info or if i could attach an lcd screen to my wheel base id do it that way.. i drive in vr in ac at the mo and there are cars where i end up using the in sim wheel display but then in those cars in vr you tend to be lower any way
when my UW screen arrives i will just use an overlay. im limited for wheels on my g pro any way lol
its not just in f1 but in performance cars/tuned cars in general( obviously im street cars yiu dont have dash on your wheel) but you have a dash i have a tuned car and having a digital dash is very important in real life along with the guages such as widebands to monitor afr at all time because not having them can be dangerous
Very well thought 👍👍👍 I bought a very expensive formula wheel and I never look a the screen😶🌫️😶🌫️
You can buy a formula wheel mod for like 40 bucks from moza for the r5 bundle , it's very simple , but makes the r5 even better as it's lighter wheel for the ffb to move. Hahah
Well yeah, VR is the pinnacle of sim racing and, obviously screens or displays on your wheel or anywhere else are pointless at that point.
I bought Fanatec intro kit and when I decided to upgrade ... There was no Fanatec stock anywhere. Switched to MOZA ...NO regrets.
I was thinking of upgrading from my clanky Logitech G29, my intention was a Fanatech club sport base & the Mclaren Wheel & club sport peddles. Now after hearing Fanatec’s woe’s the past year I put my upgrade on hold.
After hearing your thoughts on the Moza update I my go Moza but not for awhile as I spent the money I had put aside for an upgraded sim racing experience on a Mazda MX 5 track ready car and before anyone says that’s ridiculous saying that my slightly broken & being repaired MX5 cost about the same as the mentioned sim gear and boy is it fun!
Good call! Sim racing is fun, but nothing beats the real thing.
Great review, Will. I own a R16 base (after a R9 V1) and I must say that it is game changer. I couldn't believe the amount of information that I'm recieving now into my gear. It is just awesome. I few joy to drive now instead of fight with the car. Moza did really well :) Cheers!
Will I think you are absolutely right that this is not game changing for customers (for now) but for their brand reputation. Though I don’t like the wheel (whoever does a proper 911 GT3 R replica wheel first can print money), but getting a partnership with Porsche is huge for their brand and my trust in them. In fact I‘m considering switching from Fanatec.
What do you mean? Moza already announced a Porsche Mission R wheel.
Its a game changer for customers too. Old customers are grateful and new customers know that they wont regret their purchase as Moza keeps improving post sales.
Any chance you can post up your updated PitHouse settings for ACC? The settings you had in your dedicated video were great.
The only thing fanatec need to worry about is keeping their lights on💡
Well with the new deal looks like they will be fine.
Thanks for this! Just received my R12 and ES wheel today!
I feel tons of detail on my DD in iRacing compared to the other sims I’ve used it on, such as RaceRoom, Rennsport and F123. I don’t get the same immersion in those as i do iRacing. It’s not even comparable honestly. I feel every bump dip crest and curb on my rig.
IMO, Raceroom has the best FFB.
This is so weird to read. I've tried every setting I can find, and iRacing's FFB, while fine, still feels miles behind Rf2/LMU, AMS2, Raceroom, and the original AC. It's definitely serviceable, but it's far from laudable.
@@flyingphoenix113 Are you using the Fanalab software not just the Fanatec Driver software?
Oh, the montage music. Fantastic.
Just missed a few clips of Will sweating in a corner, slamming an energy drink, stuffing some Skittles down for another kick and then the triumphant dash across the sim testing finish line :P
I would really like to see a video with updated recommended settings for the Moza wheels (especially once this update drops for their other bases) I have an R9 and it is definitely an upgrade from the old T300 but it has been tough to get dialed in just right. I feel like I have had it at "good enough" for a while now. Would love to see what your suggestions would be with this new update!
I bought two Moza wheels, the R16, SR-P pedals, HGP Shifter and the digital screen for 2,100 AUD
One of the greatest deals I’ve ever made. I am delighted to get even more value out of a product I have already bought. It’s kind of feels like receiving a free new upgraded wheelbase
I love the fact that Moza keep on investing in their software and ecosystem striving to act in the players interest
I recently upgraded to the R9 V2 from the G29, and I love it. I know it's not really a comparison, but still.
Same comes in Wednesday very hyped already have the moza shifter and e brake w logi tech pro pedals
It's great when companies keep pushing each other, healthy competition is what's best for the consumer. Let's see where Fanatec goes from here and what other, currently more nieche brands like Asatek and Simagic can bring to the table.
In unrelated news: is a review of the Simlab LC handbrake coming soon? I've seen it a couple of times already and thinking about getting one for rallying.
Thanks for the video, happy to see Moza owners get more FFB quality for they're money :)
The only reason i think why Fanatec will still be around is PS compatibility.
Not hating on Fanatec as i got a DD Pro and a DD+ but other brands seems to give you more for the money these days if you dont need PS compatibility.
My CSW2.5 is about on its last leg. Need an upgrade and its nice we have so many different ecosystems now.
I had a quick test (30 mins, iRacing) of the new software this morning, and my jaw hit the floor! I honestly highly rated the R12 before, it was just a bit of a thrashing beast more often than not.
The new software makes it feel like a completely different animal, and in a good way, with the cogging now all but gone when out of game. I've never felt cogging when in the game, as some others have mentioned, so I cant comment on that.
There is so much more detail in the feedback that I was going faster and faster with each lap... it almost felt like I had cheat mode turned on 😂
All in all it's an amazing software update, that makes the hardware seem magically upgraded too, bravo Moza.
Can you share your pithub settings?
Regarding the "cogging or torque ripple", was the base calibrated after updating the firmware?
I like when my choice in wheelbase continues to be justified. Really looking forward to the active pedals. Going to get them un-active to start, as I need an upgrade for my T3PA's, but Moza is shining really brightly now.
This update's come out about a month too late for me to have briefly tested it and overseen its use in an esports competition on moza hardware, would have been interesting to hear what the drivers would have thought of it
Oscillations in iRacing is not inherent of the wheel base, it is due to the 60htz. Go into ACC and no oscillation due to higher frequency... Simucube, Fanatec, they will all oscillate in iRacing.
I believe simcube and sim magic produce 360 htz for I racing
I've not fully nailed down my settings in iRacing yet for the 360hz but it's better than it was previously. Simucube are still king of that castle cause they have a higher resolution encoder (22 bit vs 18bit in the simagic) but it's certainly a significant improvement.
THANK YOU. A g29 can do this. It’s settings and user error
Agree. This is just how iRacing works it’s not a wheel specific issue.
Interesting. The oscillation on your wheel is strange. Sarah Nocchi tested that part too and had none of it, which was a pleasant surprise and great news. Did they revert?
Yes totally gone for me. Unlikely but I wonder if it depends on the steering wheel as other people with KS said it was gone too
The oscillation is gone for me also, and way more detailed info from the wheelbase 🤩
Once my fanatec gear stops working I’ll go for Monza. But so far I never had any problems with my fanatec gear. I am using a CSW 2.5 with the Porsche wheel.
Very happy already with my r9 V2 and really looking forward to trying the new software out.
My opinion is being swayed just by that 80s groove music. Add that to all your reviews and you instantly have a great vid.
Hi Will,
Big fan of your reviews here.
I love how much you're enjoying the driving in this review.
I've been on the fence trying to decide between Asetek Forte and Moza R16. I think Moza's FFB update and your review of it, along with their recent FFB Pedals has tipped me to Moza.
I've been using a Fanetec CSL DD 8nm for 3ish years and have been quite happy with that. I'm upping my game now, taking a sim racing course, learning to read and learn from telemetry, and just driving driving more often and more competitively. My expectations have changed and I'm looking for that little bit more from the FFB hardware and software.
Thanks for another great review!
Enjoy!
Rick
Hi Will, thank you for your hard work in bringing us these informative videos. I'm glad you mentioned the rubber band effect; I have the R5 bundle and I feel this rubber band effect mostly in my favourite game:ACC! How can I minimise this in the Pithouse software? Funny because with my G27 it was my favourite sim but with the R5 it's become my least favourite. That mantle has gone to AMS2, closely followed by Raceroom. The FFB is phenomenal on these sims. A revelation has been the F1 games! What a difference with the R5. On a totally different subject; where's your brother at. You guys have great chemistry together :)
Moved from a CSL DD to an R12, and I haven't looked back. It's been a wonderful base. All of my other Moza hardware's been really solid as well.
Looking to do the exact same (have a CSL DD right now). What would you say are the biggest pros? (Hardware, software, support…)
@@UncommonManFromEarth @UncommonManFromEarth Well there's a good few I'd say. The power is definitely a plus, the CSL DD has a noticeable drop off in torque mid corner, because it can really only hold at 6nm. One of the most immediate differences is how the R12 can sustain it's strength throughout the whole corner, it makes a big difference and feels a lot better.
The R12's quick release is really great, if you're coming from a QR1 is a massive step up, if you're coming from a QR2, it's on the same level of rigidity.
The software offers a lot of customization to feel the FFB the way you want and tailor it from game to game. The firmware does seem to improve the FFB further for some titles but it's always been a very detailed experience, never felt like i was missing something compared to the CSL DD.
I have to say as well, the flexibility to just use any wheel you want without hassle is a big plus.
As far as support goes, I can't speak too much for Moza directly as I buy my Moza stuff from Sim Motion, which they've been really nice to work with when I did have an issue, an issue that was thankfully resolved quite simply, but they were responsive and helpful and at the ready to send a label if something needed to be returned. That said, I've only had 1 issue since I've owned the base so I've only had to reach out the one time. Compare that to Fanatec, where I had to reach out quite a few times and eventually had to be refunded for a wheel and quick release.
All and all the R12's been a great step up, I don't think you'd be disappointed going with them. I also have their SRP Pedals and a few wheels and I can say they're also quite solid. The only word of warning I can think of is if you choose to buy it, definitely buy the mounting bracket as it makes it much easier to mount. And be careful screwing the mounting screws into the bottom of the base as it's pretty easy to strip them.
@@MatthewRunyon-n4g Thank you for the detailled answer ! 👍🏽
Will definitely be getting an R12 😊
I like to know what settings you use now with iracing and a R21 v2 in the moza pithouse and iracing settings. Have a nice day.
I wasn't aware they had this update. I can't wait to try it on my R12 setup. I actually use it as a secondary setup now. It used to be my main setup, until I realized the T818 was only hated on because every consumer and review is evidently ill-knowledged on what plastic can do and how different one plastic can be from another. (I formulate high strength plastics btw, nothing to worry about with the T818 and longevity.) The T818 just feels better and stronger than the R12. It's underrated. Like literally, the motor for the T818 is underrated. It is definitely more powerful than the R12 and has notably more detail. Hopefully this FFB can put them back on even playing field as they should be. I've always rooted for Moza to be amazing, but their detail has always been SEVERELY lacking; both in basic and fine detail. I love my T818, but it'd be hilarious if this update makes me throw the R12 back on the main rig and throw Thrustmaster on the back burner a 2nd time 🤣 Very bummed how the T818s reception has been though. It was kind of a flop fully based on uneducated presumtions, and it still doesn't sell nearly as well as it should. Very sad that it's that easy to be pushed down in the market. It's best-in-class imo
Fanatec just has the sweet spot in terms of FFB, the fidelity is crisp.
I have even more problems now on what wheelbase i should buy after i had enough with the csl DD and that bad QR1 on it 😅
Depends on your budget, but Moza is amazing. I went from an R5 to R9 and can vouch for them! The "cheap" Moza wheels are way better than the equivalent from Fanatec.
@@TravisHi_YT thx 4 your input
I just have selld my Fanatec to get Moza, love to see the new stuff
About to jump into the DD market with the R12. I had been waiting to see what your thoughts were on this update. I now feel confident that the R12 is the best choice.
Can’t wait to see your video of the new Moza Force Feedback Pedals. I ordered my AB9 already. R12 and new Pedals soon.
I have had my moza r5 sense march of 2023 and have not updated pithouse or firmware sense.
I am actually excited to update my software and and try out this update.
I mainly do drifting in AC and have my wheel tuned to feel pretty great with next to zero oscillation when driving straight in AC with only a small amount of damper and filtering so im excited to see how this update feels
Will without a hat feels wrong.
What a nice surprise this is for Moza owners. Looking forward to trying this with my r12. iRacing has felt lifeless in terms of road feel compared to AMS2, if this gives a nice road feel in iRacing i will be very happy. Feel free to post your updated settings Will 😁
EDIT: Tried it. Liked it. Liked it a lot. Was racing f4 around Virginia in iRacing. Lots of detail.
Could not find the details on how to get the beta thing going in Discord, but there is a Redit thread called 'Moza Firmware update beta test' that has easy to follow instructions.
Awesome. R12 owner and am reasonably satisfied with it but not quite fully. Hopefully this seals the deal and I wont have to upgrade in the future
That wheel with the rotating speedometer is pretty SICK. First time I've ever seen that. I'm very interested in starting in the Moza eco with the R5 Bundle coming from a G920, I'm glad to see they recently did this update. But I am definitely getting THAT wheel too 😆
Big grins here after going from a Logitech G25 to a Moza R12 , just need to ditch my crappy G25 pedals next!
My main question is still not answered anywhere. Does this FFB 3.0 also roll out to the other Wheelbases? If yes, when? I do have the R16 V2 and would really appreciate to receive the same quality of FFB. If anyone knows, please let me know. Thanks.
Yes but they haven’t said when.
@@boostedmedia ok. At least good to know they will roll it out too. Thank you.
For me, With the KS the oscillation is 100% gone!!! that's a huge difference, not being terrified of easing the tigth grip on the wheel! the other thing i feel is the suspension travel on high kerbs
Just picked up the R12+Vision GS bundle for black friday. HUGE upgrade from my g920 :)
Thanks Will, not sure if this is a hard or easy question for you. I'm interested in your opinion.
I'm about to purchase a bunch of sim gear, mainly racing but also flying. If you were to fresh start now, which ecosystem would you go for? I'm currently tossing up between Simagic & Moza.
Have it on my R12 and it’s good but it’s completely screwed up my shift lights. They constantly go in and out of sync with the game.
With all Moza firmware, I'd just give it a month or so after the official release.
@@TravisHi_YT The new FFB is worth it tho. I'll live with it until it makes an official release.
I have the R9 and in general very happy with it! Only in Rfactor2 in F1 mods everytime the pitlimiter was on the steer always vibrated very badly in a way that my whole rig was shaking (and probably my neighbours as well). No issue when driving though. Fixed it in the end by dialing down road strength I believe. I wonder if we can see the settings being used in moza pithouse that you used. Want to compare it to what I have :)
I’ve had my R9 v1 for over a year now and really happy with it. Mainly iRacing so far and it’s a massive upgrade over my previous G29. This being my first and only dd I can’t say I can notice the issues that @boostedmedia points out but trust his opinion. I’ll wait for this to come out of beta but looking forward to hopefully feeling an improvement. Exciting times!
The MOZA gear is top notch! I’m upgrading my R5 Bundle with the KS wheel to the R9, GS, and their new pedals 🤤 my biggest conflict is VR. 60% of the time it’s good all the time. About to go with the 56” Curved Samsung ultrawide
Hi Will, can you share youre pithouse setup with us? Thanks!
I enjoy using my Moza R5 for AC and Iracing and just did the Beta Install, I had to recalibrate a few things but it now feels notchy, as if the bearings are too tight. You mentioned in the vid that you did some tweaks, could you share those please.
for a first DD setup should i get MOZA Racing R5 Direct Drive Base & Pedal Bundle or CSL DD READY2RACE BUNDLE (8 NM) ???
Great video please share your settings would really like to know what iRacing and Pithouse settings
I have road detail set to 9 and then all the other filters either completely off or set very low depending on subjective preference. Maybe add a touch of inertia and friction. Didn’t feel the need to adjust the EQ or linearity.
I think that is so awesome you responded thank you so much and keep up the great work
I myself am torn between the CSL DD and hearing all the problems people have had with them, and the Moza R9. The R9 is much more affordable all in, but this isn't the first time I've heard that the FFB in Fanatec wheels is so good. Another reason I'm leaning towards Moza, is their ecosystem. To get more wheels, or upgrade in any form, it's SO much cheaper with Moza... I can't justify paying $400 for a wheel rim when I've already spent almost $1,000 on the entire setup to begin with....
I was just in your shoes and I went for MOZA, I couldn’t be happier with their ecosystem and personally I don’t need any more force than the R9 gives.
Go with the Moza; try find the Fanatec equivalent of the KS wheel and compare prices and materials. I found it laughable and haven't regretted going Moza at all, it's so good.
@@tato45255 awesome to hear thanks a ton 😁 my plan is to mount it to my desk, so I might not take advantage of the full 9nm anyways 😂
@@TravisHi_YT thanks a ton 😁 love to hear from people who actually own the product, and have at least used the other
I ended up with more money than I thought I would have to spend on my wheelbase, and I've ordered the Moza R12 :D Again, obviously probably not going to take full advantage of the 12nm of force lol But I don't have the room for a dedicated cockpit for a wheel setup in my apartment, so it's just not possible. R12 with the ES Wheel and SRP Pedals with Clutch and Accessory Kit is what I got. Just under $900 US
I have an r5 with the ffb beta, I can't exactly tell you how it feels different but it's different. You can actually run over kerbs now and it'll feel realistic, just like I'm in my real life road car. Also I've noticed now it doesn't want to ossilate like it did before so you don't need to have a hard grip on the wheel, little things like that help with fatigue
Would you please tell me where you went to download the beta? I’m looking for the NexGen 3 beta for my R9 base. I only see an announcement for the R12 base. Thanks.
Love the videos! Do you have a list of your settings for the r12 with the new firmware? I race mostly gt cars in RaceRoom and I’ve been trying to find a setting I like, updating it tonight hopefully and wanting to compare good settings with good settings as you have done here.
I ave fanatec right now and i was planning on upgrading my CSL DD with the clubsport DD but i do like the steering wheels that moza has would you recommend the R12 from moza or the clubsport DD ?
I'm really looking forward to your review of the CRP2s and Active Pedal. Moza's pedal game is so weak I've been thinking of ditching all my moza gear for something better for a long time. But this gives me hope! (also I would like a review of a bavarian simtec alpha if you ever get the chance 😉)
Is it now better than the Simagic Alpha mini (price aside)?
Are there any overheating issues?
I am new to sim racing and planning to build set up end of year. I was going to go Simagic but then started looking at Moza with all their new gear ( love that porsche wheel). Money aside, would you recommend the simagic base over the Moza? When you describe that rubber band like feeling had me rethinking. I want the most realistic experience. Either going for the 21nm bases or 15nm.
Can we get an update on the settings list you use with Moza
Really excited to see those active pedals in action!
I bought into the Moza ecosystem with the R9 base, CS, and KS. Sticking to iRacing mostly, I am really excited to try this update and feel the difference.
Moza was my go to for Christmas this year. Others are out of my price range, and Fanatec is in a weird spot with the acquisition. Next year will be exciting to see what Corsair does with them, but Moza is on a steady track of solid releases with the TSW, stalk controller and the price drops on bases. Very excited for the bundle i bought from Sim Motion - R12, SR-P 3 pedal, wheel mount, and a SSH Thorn shifter for around $900 total.
Hi there 🎉. Anyone knows if this update is going to be available for the R9 V1? Thanks
I guess they've messed up the onwheel clock because they used gyroscope. Gyroscope has definitely much more delay than simple input data. For example if you pick an average android phone and play with the tilt you will experience at least 50 ms gyros latency which is then converted into the code value that transforms into an axis rotation on the clocks UI. This is useless. In my opinion the wheel display has to convert the actual wheel rotation from the MOZA software. It's like one line of code instead of three. So in C# it would look like:
public RectTransform dashboard;
public float wheelRot;
void Update()
{
wheelRot = Mathf.Round(Input.GetAxis("TheAxisOfMozawheelRotationDefinedBySoftware");
dashboard.transform.rotation = new Vector2(Mathf.Lerp(dashboard.transform.rotation.x, wheelRot, time.deltaTime * 10f), 0);
}
Except then it would only work with Moza bases.
@@boostedmedia The software or relevant game engine can read any input axis float value from any type of input controller. "MozaWheelAxis" was only an example. It's usually a scale from -44000 to +44000.
For trucking simulator, there is pretty much only moza really. Kinda sucks there is only one as Fanatec simply don't care about there costumers anymore.
My R9 still has a jerky kind or ripple roboticness to it. Got a new settings file we could have.?
I see one on your website but i assume that the really old settings in which you removed the video for.
i dont understand,, what filters... in the game or the Mozaq Pit house software??? which filters please
So as someone looking to get their first direct drive. Would you reccomend this with the update or save more to get a la prima?
Doesn't look like the updated drivers and firmware has reached the UK yet
Fanatec just released a shaft extension for the Fanatec DD/DD+. Any chance you can do a comparison with the extension vs the CSL DD, for example? Would be very helpful.
Some if your videos directly inspired me to go for Moza gear and with this we just keep winning, thanks for keeping us informed with the consumer in mind!
I got Moza R12 and KS wheel, they are good bang for a buck. Got them off from sale. Previously had GT DD Pro - i feel like the extra strenght and FFB details makes is absolutely worth it. I like it a lot more than the GT DD Pro. The feeling was really nice.
Is it too late to ask if the r12 is better than the alpha mini from simagic. For context I've never had a dd wheel but I've been hearing the neverending: nm>detail vs detail>nm. Considering the price difference is not that much right now (499 usd vs 539 usd)
Hi Will, how does the R12 with the new firmware compare to the Alpha Mini in terms of feedback and details? Would you still "definitely absolutely 100% unequivocally choose Simagic"? 😅
It’s definitely a lot closer now. Simagic is still a touch smoother IMO. But it’s hard to look past the value for money the R12 represents now.
@@boostedmedia Thanks for the reply, Moza did reduce the price of R12 down to $500, and where I am, the Alpha Mini is the same price as the R12 and my plan was to get the Alpha Mini + GT Neo wheel with Moza peripherals such as the truck wheel etc. Considering the new firmware, do you think this route of mix and matching makes sense or should I go all in Moza?
@@AFK-Toilet Alpha Mini+GT Neo has more quality the base (5 pole motor) and wheel than R12+KS (touched both KS and GT Neo). For circuit racing I could not understand Moza FFB tyre slip, very rarely I saved a spin. With Simagic I save a spin 9/10 times because the FFB is very clear to understand tyre slip (I had a R9 v2). Don't worry mix matching and grab your favourite parts and best local prices of your country.
My big question is Simagic alpha/alpha mini or moza R12?
So would you still recommend Simagic Alpha mini over the R12?
I've been waiting for this video. Well done as always! Now I'm a bit confused, I'm looking around for a 12nm DD, a month ago I would have said the obvious choice for me is the La Prima bundle, but now with the announced CRP 2 and the fbb update to R12 along with the lower price I can't say that anymore. What is your opinion on this topic?
hey boosted!! im lookiung at getting back into sim racing in the next year or so. would be keen to see how to moza stacks up in longevity, with whatever maintenance needs to be sone to the physical hardware after longer periods of ownership/use
My DD+ arrived faulty, over 3 months ago, still waiting for Fanatec to provide any support or a refund. Fanatec shouldn’t be worried they should be in prison
With the new software would u recommend the r12 over the alpha mini
Simagic > Moza, always. 18 bit encoder servo motor vs 15 bit encoder stepper motor. There's no way a software update can fully make up for that hardware difference.
@@RADERFPVok but what about the R16/R21 ?
Would like to see them come out with a motion system.
What is the ffb like after the update comparing to simagic?
Would you say the updated ffb is better than simagic's mini alpha? Or worse or as equal.
Made the switch from fanatec to MOZA a while ago. Best move I ever made 😊
So would you still recommend the Simagic ecosystem with this new update on the horizon? Or is this the best value contender now?
"we're gonna need a montage! Montage!"
HA!!! I had the same exact thought when that tune kicked in :P
Looking forward to trying this in a bit.. Great vid as always !!
do you have any idea when it's coming to other bases not just the r12?
Hello good sir, thank you for all the amazing videos. I do not know if you do, but as a long time follower and someone who made a big purchase from simagic depending on your views (my first dd wheel), It would be amazing if you shared your FFB settings for these popular brands and popular sims so we could also feel exactly what you do in certain cases. Maybe you do somewhere and I am just not aware if that is the case excuse me. Thank you for the effort in general 🙏🏻
I got the Moza R12 with beta firmware, i only drive ACC, i got 0 oscilations even before the beta firmware so its wierd that you got.
Did you recalibrate the base after firmware update as instructed in the installation notes?
I don't get the oscillations in ACC either. Yes we did run through tha calibration process.
How is moza when it comes to adding support to games for features like handbrakes and shifters? In regards to consoles.