Love it Dave. Real stuff. Everyone knows manufacturers skimp on suspension, especially not at the top of their range. I rode a Trident recently and it was like being on a bouncy ball. Good job Pete.
at a street-ride with s1000rr (date of build 2012/2013) i feel nothing only i switch all three moped legs into stage 5 with the key , tires were warmer than my hand , i felt safe till top speed only you and all others with many many miles more can ask for tuning - stock is expensive and good enough
"This is the bike Triumph should have made to begin with" seems like a common sentiment for just about all manufacturers. Not sure how they do not see that if it cost $2k more for a better suspension people would pay the money.
What sort of price is this conversion please - recently test drove one and thought that the rear in articular when pushed could have been improved - ball park figure is good enough !Cheers
On your video you show the rebound adjustment at the top and preload at the bottom, yet all adverts for these shocks show it the other way round. Does it matter which way up they are fitted? I could see problems adjusting the preload at the bottom because of the proximity of the adjusters to the silencers.
Boa tarde amigo. Sou de Portugal. Vejo todos os seus videos. Amigo tenho TRIUMPH SPEED TWIN 2022. Qual o Sag settings da frente e tras para a speed twin? Com piloto e sem piloto. Muito obrigado
I’m interested. I’ve also just fitted a booster plug to my ‘20 model and it has transformed the bike with superb throttle control now and doesn’t upset the bike when going into corners. I think this and the suspension upgrade is all that is needed for the perfect bike.
I know there is a new USA dealer, but not sure on details. I'd recommend using the same front and rear, so the damping characteristics will be well matched
G’day Dave, I’ve just ordered a set of rear shock to upgrade my speed twin. I didn’t think to check and presumed that they could be adjusted for two up riding. Is this the case please? and if not is it too late to change my order as I only confirmed a couple of hours ago. I wouldn’t want them to arrive down under if they aren’t adjustable. I bought the 80 to 90 kg weight range. Great video by the way
Do you think it's worth the extra money on the Speed Twin to upgrade rear suspension with compression adjustment also? I'm looking at these shocks for preload and rebound adjust but can't decide whether to spend extra for compression adjustment also. Thanks!
Pete is very happy with the setup, the rebound adjuster does make a small amount of difference on the compression as well, and a good feeling can be found without the extra expense
They don't yet have a listing for the 21 bike, but if you'd like me to get some further information I can contact them for you, best to drop me an email to davidhewsonlimited@hotmail.co.uk
The 21 onwards bikes, with the upside down forks were better anyway, or at least the forks were, so you'd probably only need shocks. For the same spec as we fitted they're £481 for a pair, and make a massive difference
Great vid thanks! If you were to only upgrade one, would you upgrade front forks or rear shocks? I'm finding the forks are the worst for stability so thinking to change first. But could be mistaken and would appreciate your advice.
www.bitubo.com/Bitubo/catalog/ENG/articolo/9-prodotti-finiti/pytxqqhpad-coppia-reg-precaricoestensione-twin-adjspring-p.html They can be ordered through me, drop me a message via the website at www.obsessionengineering.co.uk
Not as far as I'm aware. It's not uncommon for the little bleed hole to weep occasionally though, sometimes the seals pass a little fluid, and the hole is there for exactly that reason, so it leaks out and can't get into the oil. I've had it regularly on some kawasaki's
@@donjingle4059 Doesn't seem to bother the million or so Triumph twins out there on the road. Compared to the bikes I grew up with in the 70s, most modern bikes are surprisingly tight as far as any leaks go.
@@donjingle4059 Sorry, I'm not the old motorcycle "expert" you say I am. Beg to differ all you want, I store some of my bikes in the house over the winter. Something I wouldn't even think of doing with a carbureted bike from the 70s. That is all, sir. I say "good day".
Honestly, just get a sportier bike. The constant complaining about suspension on these bikes led to some drastic changes in the 2022 model which ruined the look of the bike.
Pete loves the looks of the bike as it is, but it really is flawed by the cheap suspension. This way he gets the classic looks but with a ride to fit it's Speed title
@@obsession_engineering I don't think people get the spirit and intent of these throwback bikes. Upgrading them is basically like re-inventing the wheel. I personally would prefer to see them regress. I'm thinking air-cooled and carbureted. If you want modern performance, just get the Speed Triple.
@@flamintasty Picked up a CB750 last summer. Had an aftermarket exhaust and bars when I bought it. Tracked down the original parts and it's now perfect.
Took one out for a test ride.....absolute rubbish. The OE suspension is awful. Amazed why anyone is prepared to spend 11k on a bike that you then have to spend even more on to make it rideable....strange times...
Don't ever take for granted that you have something's special.
Very interesting video; a good reason to buy a second hand old version of the Speed Twin and improve it's suspensions.
Dealer or not, bitubo are great suspension systems! Thanks for sharing this Dave!
Love it Dave. Real stuff. Everyone knows manufacturers skimp on suspension, especially not at the top of their range. I rode a Trident recently and it was like being on a bouncy ball. Good job Pete.
"Why's this old thing in my suggestions - oh look it's Dave, gotta be worth a look.."
Thanks you for this great and commented video, you definitely convince me to purchase bitubo cartridges for my speedtwin 😉
Nice little vid. I hope to see some winter projects. 👍🏻
Brilliant Dave, really interesting and illuminating!
Good concise vid. A shame we can’t see the carts going in.
Another great video Dave. Loved it!
Great review, best money you can spend on your bike is suspension...
hi thanks for the great info. if you have chance in the future to do that mod with a 2022 model that would be great a step by step tutorial
at a street-ride with s1000rr (date of build 2012/2013) i feel nothing only i switch all three moped legs into stage 5 with the key , tires were warmer than my hand , i felt safe till top speed
only you and all others with many many miles more can ask for tuning - stock is expensive and good enough
I bought a Thruxton R and fitted an ABM handlebar kit
Same engine and frame as the Speed Twin but better suspension and brakes
I rode a Thruxton R a few years ago for an MCN test, great bike and rides really well
Great job, nice video guys
Nice one, the street twin is even worse. Mine’s a different bike with upgraded shocks and forks
Excellent video.
exellent commercial....
@@tedcity5861So don’t fkn watch it then. He runs a business you clown 🙄
"This is the bike Triumph should have made to begin with" seems like a common sentiment for just about all manufacturers. Not sure how they do not see that if it cost $2k more for a better suspension people would pay the money.
does the the kit come with instructions? "im not a dealer kinda guy!"
Yes, but the fork kits have to be installed by a bitubo technical centre, they don't sell direct to the public
suspension on a T120 COULD DO WITH THIS AS WELL DID TRIUMPH NOT ROAD TEST THESE BIKES FROM A t120 owner of 2 years 8000 miles
Hi Dave, can you please confirm which suspension parts you fitted?
The shocks were T0032WME02V2 and the fork cartridges were T0034JBH12WO
What sort of price is this conversion please - recently test drove one and thought that the rear in articular when pushed could have been improved - ball park figure is good enough !Cheers
On your video you show the rebound adjustment at the top and preload at the bottom, yet all adverts for these shocks show it the other way round. Does it matter which way up they are fitted? I could see problems adjusting the preload at the bottom because of the proximity of the adjusters to the silencers.
Depending on the bike model depends which way up the shocks are mounted. Luckily the preload adjusters are easily accessible.
Boa tarde amigo.
Sou de Portugal.
Vejo todos os seus videos.
Amigo tenho TRIUMPH SPEED TWIN 2022.
Qual o Sag settings da frente e tras para a speed twin?
Com piloto e sem piloto.
Muito obrigado
I need to do mine. In 42yrs riding it’s the worst suspended bike I’ve owned since my ‘76 Fizzy. Triumph should be ashamed.
I can supply and fit the Bitubo products if you want, drop me an email to davidhewsonlimited@hotmail.co.uk
@@obsession_engineering I’ll keep you in mind Dave. As a coincidence, I just watched your video a couple of days ago.
I’m interested. I’ve also just fitted a booster plug to my ‘20 model and it has transformed the bike with superb throttle control now and doesn’t upset the bike when going into corners. I think this and the suspension upgrade is all that is needed for the perfect bike.
Where to buy Bitubo in the USA? And do you recommend sticking with the same manufacturer of these components front and rear? Or does it matter?
I know there is a new USA dealer, but not sure on details.
I'd recommend using the same front and rear, so the damping characteristics will be well matched
G’day Dave,
I’ve just ordered a set of rear shock to upgrade my speed twin. I didn’t think to check and presumed that they could be adjusted for two up riding. Is this the case please? and if not is it too late to change my order as I only confirmed a couple of hours ago. I wouldn’t want them to arrive down under if they aren’t adjustable. I bought the 80 to 90 kg weight range. Great video by the way
They are adjustable for preload and damping, preload will be the important one!
Awesome. Thanks Dave
those stock shocks are absolute shit... shame on Triumph.... Viva la Bitubo.... great vid
Nice to know Pete's no longer as saggy as he once was ;)
lol :)
Do you think it's worth the extra money on the Speed Twin to upgrade rear suspension with compression adjustment also?
I'm looking at these shocks for preload and rebound adjust but can't decide whether to spend extra for compression adjustment also.
Thanks!
Pete is very happy with the setup, the rebound adjuster does make a small amount of difference on the compression as well, and a good feeling can be found without the extra expense
How much is this upgrade Dave? GB£.
Want to do the same to my standard Thruxton 1200 (non R)
Around £1100 for the parts
Do bitubo do the same for 21 plate Street twin 900
They don't yet have a listing for the 21 bike, but if you'd like me to get some further information I can contact them for you, best to drop me an email to davidhewsonlimited@hotmail.co.uk
Were the spring rates specified for the weight of the rider?
Yes, Bitubo supply the shocks and fork kits with the springs to suit the rider weight, and preloads set to suit as well
Good video... but can you suggest what the estimated cost would be for this upgrade, eg cost of parts, and cost for fitting?
Hi Mark, it's around £1000 for parts and labour. If you'd like more info feel free to drop me an email on davidhewsonlimited@hotmail.co.uk
How much is the upgrade?
Including fitting around £1000. There are a couple of options on the shocks so prices can vary slightly
I have a 2023 speed twin. What is the cost for an upgrade?
The 21 onwards bikes, with the upside down forks were better anyway, or at least the forks were, so you'd probably only need shocks. For the same spec as we fitted they're £481 for a pair, and make a massive difference
@@obsession_engineering
Great vid thanks!
If you were to only upgrade one, would you upgrade front forks or rear shocks?
I'm finding the forks are the worst for stability so thinking to change first. But could be mistaken and would appreciate your advice.
I'd go forks first as they really are the worst bit. The package works best when it all matches though
@@obsession_engineering All in how much does this usually cost? I’m thinking about buying a speed twin or Yamaha mt09.
Are these available in the U.S?
I'm not sure to be honest, I'll ask the UK distributor if they know!
I’d like to learn this too 👍
Any update on this in regards to a US distributor?
I’d like to know as well. Would like to upgrade the suspension on my 2020 T-120 Black.
Is the newer speed twin with the Marzocchi forks a lot better?
Not convinced it looks better, but the forks are supposed to be a bit of an improvement
is it wise to dump that oil in the drain?
The sink is not connected to the drain
Bike is pretty thou .
It is, and rides really nicely with proper suspension !
Part number and link to these shocks?
www.bitubo.com/Bitubo/catalog/ENG/articolo/9-prodotti-finiti/pytxqqhpad-coppia-reg-precaricoestensione-twin-adjspring-p.html
They can be ordered through me, drop me a message via the website at www.obsessionengineering.co.uk
That’s momos favourite corner
Approx how much does this suspension upgrade cost?
Around £1100 including fitting. There are a few options so best to contact through the website if you're interested
Hello, Have you ever seen signs of coolant leaking from the small hole in the middle of the oil pan under your speed twin?
Not as far as I'm aware. It's not uncommon for the little bleed hole to weep occasionally though, sometimes the seals pass a little fluid, and the hole is there for exactly that reason, so it leaks out and can't get into the oil. I've had it regularly on some kawasaki's
@@obsession_engineering It's a horrible design and one of those things I wish I would have known before purchase. Thanks for your reply: DJ
@@donjingle4059 Doesn't seem to bother the million or so Triumph twins out there on the road. Compared to the bikes I grew up with in the 70s, most modern bikes are surprisingly tight as far as any leaks go.
@@andrewbecker3700 I beg to differ old motorcycle expert.
@@donjingle4059 Sorry, I'm not the old motorcycle "expert" you say I am. Beg to differ all you want, I store some of my bikes in the house over the winter. Something I wouldn't even think of doing with a carbureted bike from the 70s. That is all, sir. I say "good day".
Hi Dave just to make you aware, you do know it's an offence to pour vehicle fluids into the sewer system? Let alone film it!
The sink is not connected to the sewer system
Did you Void the Warranty?
Only on the useless bits we through away!
Honestly, just get a sportier bike. The constant complaining about suspension on these bikes led to some drastic changes in the 2022 model which ruined the look of the bike.
Pete loves the looks of the bike as it is, but it really is flawed by the cheap suspension. This way he gets the classic looks but with a ride to fit it's Speed title
@@obsession_engineering I don't think people get the spirit and intent of these throwback bikes. Upgrading them is basically like re-inventing the wheel. I personally would prefer to see them regress. I'm thinking air-cooled and carbureted. If you want modern performance, just get the Speed Triple.
@@mcscotty325Sounds like you need to go and buy an old shitter from the 60’s then.
@@flamintasty Picked up a CB750 last summer. Had an aftermarket exhaust and bars when I bought it. Tracked down the original parts and it's now perfect.
Took one out for a test ride.....absolute rubbish. The OE suspension is awful. Amazed why anyone is prepared to spend 11k on a bike that you then have to spend even more on to make it rideable....strange times...
Fully agree with you there, especially as the additional cost during manufacturing would be very low for a big improvement
What absolute trash standard suspension ..... shame on you Triumph