After a bit of discussion and talks, I think best case scenario would be: Elune trying to do her best for her sister, making use of the burning of teldrassil and instead of letting them be wisps, fling them into the shadowlands where there's something going on. Hoping that it would work out. That's still not great imo and they could have gone about this in so many different ways. Cool cutscene though!
I think the other thing we have to think about is how much of a purview over the realm of death as a deity does she have. Bwonsamdi and Elune are very different when it comes to what they manage. Just because Elune is the sister of the Winter Queen doesn’t mean she has the same ability to sense what is happening in the realms of death. She clearly has some powers over it, as evidenced by this cutscene and what happened with Ysera, but to say it should be akin to what Bwonsamdi has? Idk about that one chief. Especially since Elune has always been very hands off compared to other gods/godlike beings in WoW.
Yeah I think your right with the not turning into wisps and instead sending them into the shadowlands. Like I think the way she says "in the wake of the tragedy" imples she couldn't control what happened at teldrasil and the elves but she could control what happened to the souls. Like while the night elves ask why could she not put out the fire, am not entirely certain in lore how much the "gods" of azeroth can effect the mortal world, like could she have put out the flames? Is that within her power? Because elude seems to deal alot with souls or empowering mortals to great feats.
The key word here is "spring" What I got here is: Elune let Nelves die and sent souls to SL with keeping in mind, if Life and Death are working as intendent once more, ahe would bring this aouls back to Azeroth. Another key word here is "renewal" it also points directly to bringing back Night Elves back to Azeroth. Not as a wiaps but in the same way Wild Gods return. As a whole. But that is what I see and it is probably wishful thinking. But, since blizzard and danuser know how big screw up burning of teldrassil was from them and what kind of backlash it provoked, they are planing to make so, yes it happend but we fixed it. That way, they could get rid of the genocide stygma they stamped on themselves and bring back people like I am. Even hazzikostas said he was stunned by reaction about teldrassil and genocide. Well what did he expected it will happen...
In the cinematic between Tyrande and Sylvanas, the latter says "Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" could it be Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld, in the hope the nightelf souls went to Ardenweld?
Don't think Elune is omnipotent. On top of that she likely isn't tunnel visioning everything that goes on on azeroth, as she seems to be a deity on many other planets in the universe. So she has other duties to take care off too. Not knowing what was going on in the shadowlands, she send the dying souls there, only to find out that the "aid" she send, got jacked by zovaal.
The Tauren do not worship Mu'sha (Elune - The Moon) only, but The Earth Mother and An'she (The Sun) too; perhaps is The Sun who see them as his favored children (if the 2 remaining are in the Phanteon of Life with Elune/Mu'sha) :)
Elune was watching a news segment of the crisis in Ardenweald and decided to liquidate and sell off most of her Night Elf assets to donate to the relief fund, not knowing that the relief fund was a front for the Jailer
About the souls from Teldrassil , i think Sylvanas mistake to deliver the order and she sent the package to a different address. xDD So , Elune is asking Tyrande for a refund from Sylvanas.
People say this as if Classic WoW's first raid didn't have you kill Ragnaros or that Burning Crusade didn't have you travel to an alternate world and kill demons on the reg
@@Theheadless1858 if Elune would intervine everytime the NE needed help, she wouldn't be a goddess but a babysitter. The NE wouldn't have developed as well, because they would have been to dependent on Elune, like toddlers. Since Sargeras we know that Elune wont/ can't intervine like many want to (a boring captain planet solving every NE problem that happens). If she does that, I want every single wow god/loa to do the same. Where were the loas when NE/He slaughtered the trolls? Where were the void lords when we attacked their minion? Where was the light when Arthas destroyed a human nation? You want a "world of war between gods and you are just there cause lol you can't do shit against them" game?
@@TheDovolan "You want a "world of war between gods and you are just there cause lol you can't do shit against them" game?" Ah yes. The Deathwing fight in the nutshell. Manicure him while thrall charges up the death laser.
@@scientistforscience it does when you realize that elune litterly never knew. The only characters that knew are characters that are in the maw or close to the arbitor, Bwonsamdi knew because he keeps moving from and to the shadowlands all the time so at some point he might have figured out that something bad is happening. Even the winter queen and the archon didn't know about it until we came into the shadowlands ourselves. so saying that elune just kinda forgot is just a stupid statement.
@@Runepower that makes it worse since she knew there was an issue that souls here not getting to the shadowlands and then blindly threw thousands of soul knowing this was a issue, and did not even bother to investigate.
@@flameknightdragon I see a lot of people like this guy assuming what Elune can do and ignore what she might not be able to pull off at the moment. Most godly beings can't interact directly with the world for the most part unless they use others invoking them.
Winte Queen: "Sister, we need your help, we have an anima drought" Tyrande: "Elune, we need your help, Sylvannas is burning Teldrassil." Elune: "How convinient..."
I'm taking this as; - Shadowlands draught causing Winter Queen to cry out for aid - Elune hears the call and likely assumed the draught was caused either due to Legion's events, or responded emotionally rather than rationally (and she does seem super emotional) - Elune clearly knows of the Shadowlands and the Maw's existence, but not the current cause of its issues same as other Covenants so she naively thought the cycle would eventually rebirth her children, the Nelfs - Because of Elune's knowledge of the Shadowlands and relation to the Winter Queen, it's safe to assume she knows at least something about Zovaal (perhaps through her sister) and likewise, Zovaal knows about the bond between Elune and the Winter Queen which he chooses to indirectly exploit by sending Sylvanas to Teldrassil - Sylvie burns the tree, with her and Zovaal both expecting Elune to let the Night Elfs go to the Shadowlands to aid Ardenweald and the Winter Queen - Because Elune didn't know what Zovaal was doing, she unintentionally sent the souls to the Maw - Because the deceased Nelfs didn't turn into whisps at Elune's hand, it offered a small window of time which Sylvanas used to persuade some of them, like Delaryn, to her own side to aid the war and reap further death. Emboldened by the dead Nelfs realizing "Hey I didn't become a whisp, Elune has abandoned me, eff her" Those are my rambling takes but I'm not a knowledgeable lore nut :D
I like this idea too. Some people also speculate that Elune spared Sylvannas as a thank you for what she did (killing the people), I know why they got the idea, but come on, that's dumb. But no, I think Elune spared Sylvannas, so Tyrande wouldn't die. As she was going to help Ardenweald recover in the future, or she has even bigger plans for Tyrande in the future. As she mentioned, the Night Elves are her favored children. But my question is. If Bwonsamdi can redirect souls into De Other Side, so Elune can or cannot do the same? I mean, she wasn't aware, so maybe she sent them like a shipment without tracking, lol.
So Elune finally makes a (sortof) appearance and immediately displays, for everyone to see, that she's ignorant. Cool. Even the Old Gods and their minions seemed to have a deeper, albeit cryptic to us, understanding of exactly what was happening.
What a waste, so much mystery and nearly two decades of build up, just to have a “Goddess” that just sees her charges as a resource battery and is even more clueless than the player as to what is even going on. I’m so disappointed. It just feels like they are going through every piece of original lore, one by one and just cheapening, or invalidating it with no actual payoff.
I'd rather have a character with problems then a perfect character that is just boring to follow to be honest. So that even a god like creature like Elune can have these problems make the story only better to follow then just following a perfect creature around.
vengeance or renewal? - vengeance! - so renewal it is, no killing of sylvanas for you. - so why could I choose then if you decide for me anyway? - JINXED! (elune 2021)
I think the idea is and i could wrong, When Night Elves die they become wisps as protectors of nature. But in this case Elune sent their souls to the shadowlands to aid Ardenweald instead of them becoming wisps.
@@HooLeeYo I dont understand this "she betrayed her people" opinion people keep parroting. Elune didn't do it out of malicious intent. She had heard from The Winter Queen that things were not okay, & decided to send the souls of the night elves killed at the burning of Teldrassil to Ardenweald, for their anima AND so they can be reborn there. She did the same thing to Ysera, yet no ones crying that she did something wrong towards her. Elune did not know what was happening in the Shadowlands, she didn't know the souls were being fed straight into the maw.
@@HooLeeYo let's not forget the cinematic did not suggest that Elune was behind the burning of teldrassil. The act of burning the tree was done by sylvanas, perhaps on the instruction of someone else (nathrezim/helya/the jailer). Elune's involvement here is sending the dying souls to ardenweald to assist the winter queen. Elune even refers to burning of teldrassil as a "tragedy", which suggests to me that she was not behind it.
@@monoononoke So if the Night Elf Souls choose to sacrifice themselves and do the thing that happened to Archimonde, and basically turn into wisps going all around The Jailer and damage him or take the sigils out "prob because something dumb like Mournblades pull things from Souls, and all the Night Elves together get that power and all blow up while the *Infinity Sigil* aka The Arbiters Core then our Characters re jail The Jailer and Sylvanas becomes Illidan 2.0 I swear if she goes "At Last" at the very end of Shadowlands fhgfsdga
yea... all people in the shadowlands are not so clever... i guess... but the ppl in oribos know it, why they have not tell the other parts of the shadowlands?
Here's what i think she knew of the drought and suffering and turned the nastiness of the buring into something that could aid ardewald by giving them a surplus of anima but she didn't know that the maw was taking all the souls. I think ellune didn't realize how bad it was.
So, she knows there is a drought, but not where the souls are coming? And her decision is to sacrifice her beloved subjects? So they made her into an idiot in the first dialogue she ever had. I am done.
Winter Queen: What the F sis?! I called you MONTHS ago for help and NOW you show up?! Where were you when I needed you most? Elune: Wait, what? I sent you like a whole bunch of help back then. The packages should have arrived by now through Arbiter Express. Winter Queen:...oh! So that is why. Elune: Why what? Winter Queen: Sis...Arbiter Express went bankrupt sometime last year. All the packages sent to them nowadays end up in a warehouse. Elune: Oh...I am...sorry! I didn`t know...Well I think we can reposes those packages if we make some calls. Winter Queen: Yeah...thanks, anyway sis! Elune: Hey...If it helps, you can have my Snickers-bar. -Meanwhile is Bation- Kleia: Boss, are you sure that the packages we pick up and drop to the HQ are still delivered? Kyrestia: Of course, why would you ask such a question? Kleia: Because when I left the last one...the place was empty. Kyrestia: Must have been during break. Kleia: But..the front door was locked up and something was stapled on it. It looked like an eviction notice. Kyrestia: You know what it actually looked like? It looked like a pay-cut and a demotion for you if you don`t shut the hell up and do your job.
It was also weird to me Nobbel didn't pick this up or the fact that Elune was out doing Elune things, not in the loop AT ALL and probably heard the cries and reacted.
@@zedsanguinar5275 What? How is that relevant? The problem is not that Elune and the WQ are fighting, but that Elune is made out to be an idiot who lacks critical information.
@@Pelagion98 To be frank most of the afterlife higher ups had no clue either. Kyrians especially. The Player Character literally walks into their domain straight from the maw. Knowing full well that all souls get dumped into hell. Kyrians - Let's go ship some souls over to help with the drought! LOL!
The real bombshell is not this cinimatic but what the primus says after. "The Winter Queen is bound to her counterpart in the realms of Life. Together, they embody the balance of the great cycle." Elune is the goddess of life confirmed.
@@Sanguiris maybe ask her sister what was going on exactly? All the demigods in SL are kind of dumb for the role they must cover and unfortunately they MUST be that dumb otherwise the story wouldn’t progress. SL has a really big load of bad writing, if it’s because time schedule or incompetence I don’t know.
what if the meaning behind this is less "she let it happen" and more " since it happened, I sent their souls to you instead of making them become wisps" like nightelves would normally do?
i just dont know why everyone thinks that elune could do something about the tree burning down, in the same context, why would elune allow archimonde to rampage up hyjall, why do we have the impression that elune would meddle with mortal affairs at all?
This def makes the most sense, just listen to her wording „In the wake of a tradegy, i sent forth a great cascade of souls to sustain you“ The „in the wake“ part especially sounds like she‘s just making the best out of a real shit situation
Right I think you’re onto something because if you look at what happened to ysera she didn’t kill her she allowed what happened to happen but she didn’t kill her on purpose but she did send her to her sister to help her
Imo people forget about free will. I think Elune didn't stop the burning because in the end she couldn't without upsetting other balances/rules. So she did what she could in regarded to the people, not knowing about the Maw situation. Remember, Elune isn't directly involved in the Shadowlands, so her not realizing about the truth of the situation is reasonable.
How to win the Celestial War: Part 1: Evolve a race of Trolls into your perfect children Part 2: Grant them a Big Tree for them to live in Part 3: See your sister is in need of help Part 4: Let your children burn to death so you can help your sister in the Emerald Dream *They go into the Maw instead.*
The despicable me meme: Ardenwaeld is dying Teldrassil victims can be sent to the shadowlands Dead elves are sent to the maw *Dead elves are sent to the maw*
In the same way that Elune directly intervened with the soul of Ysera I think she tried to directly intervene with the souls of the night elves by trying to send them directly to Ardenweald but they were consumed by the Maw instead. This is just worded badly.
@@Theheadless1858 We the players literally saw Ysera be plucked and picked up. Idk man it feels like the narrative team has no clue what they're doing anymore.
@@Theheadless1858 The Grimoire is also written from a Broker's perspective, and there's been some things in the Grimoire that seem to have a lack of knowledge from the author's perspective that we the adventurers know, like Odyn's Eye being turned into the Eye of the Jailer, while the Grimoire author says they don't know why the Jailer wanted the eye. Taliesin & Evitel have a great video talking about the Grimoire that point that specifically out, so it's possible they also made assumptions about why Ysera ended up in Ardenweald, since usually the souls end up in Ardenweald purely because of connection with nature, it seems like. It's not an unreasonable assumption to make, especially if the Brokers don't know about Elune, or at least don't know about that part of Azeroth's history
@@kaneslives Yeah and? That doesn't change anything. Just means Elune tried to intervene and the Jailer/Jailers influence was just to strong to circumvent.
Thank you. I felt like I was the only one who noticed the wording. Elune merely took advantage of the opportunity before her, and attempted to solve 2 problems at once by sending the dead NE to her sister.
@@atafakheri8659 Maybe Sylvanas speak the true because the jailer told her that Elune will send her children for her aunt to help in her store instead of making them help i'm home, or maybe Sylvanas just are doing smack talk because seh wanted high priestess of a people who banish her people of they country only because they don't want givin up magic really pissed!
@@victorsilva-ib6im wtf are you talking about? this cinematic was obviously intended to give an unclear statement on elunes position. it was intended to open conversation on it. blizzard has been trying to suggest that the Light might not be that good that we think. for example, they showed this kind of story by the rejection of gift cinematic
So Elune tried to solve two problems at the same time by sending the souls to Ardenweald to be reborn, which would also help her sister. That makes sense. Whether or not she let the Night Elves die to let that happen is another story. I don’t think that outcome is likely, but if it is, we have to seriously question the characterization of Elune up until this point. And of course, there’s a real chance it won’t be good.
Why are we assuming she could stop it? She is not all powerful and her power in the mortal world seems very limited as she usually channels it through other things.
@@MrThundaro That’s a question that still has to be answered. Elune has always come across as a less active goddess, but at times has shown to be able to perform certain feats at the behest of the night elves via prayer, which is what happened at Teldrassil. Whether or not she could’ve stopped the fire is yet to be seen imo. I think the other thing we have to think about is how much of a purview over the realm of death as a deity does she have. Bwonsamdi and Elune are very different when it comes to what they manage. Just because Elune is the sister of the Winter Queen doesn’t mean she has the same ability to sense what is happening in the realms of death. She clearly has some powers over it, as evidenced by this cutscene and what happened with Ysera, but to say it should be akin to what Bwonsamdi has? Idk about that chief.
That is a very blunt way to look at that, or you can look at it from different angles as they could’ve been reborn later on when they had enough anima there to do so or you could simply say from one sister to the next I think the issue is she didn’t tell him if she did I don’t think they would’ve made it but she didn’t
@@timar6868 sure we can try to find out different angles in order to make some sense of bad nonsense lore but thats not the point :) basically NE worship a god that ultimately didnt give a shit about them.
@@metallixro And said god tossed them into a meat grinder. And said god gave the soul parcel that was to be delivered to Ardenweald to a postman. But the postman was just a guy playing dress up. He stole the packages and tossed them all into hell instead of taking them to the sorting facility.
@@metallixro you're giving gods to much credits of they're capabilities of interfering. she made the best out a bad situation as to how much she knew. god's dont make sure you survive a car accident or not make it happen at all. they make sure that what happens afterwards is what matters. and thats exactly what elune did. (im not even religious and i get this wtf)
Well, becoming wisps is probably something which shouldn't really happen, sending them to Ardenweald instead to sustain the one thing that protects the Cosmos from destruction doesn't seem that evil
Elune says Tyrande must pick: vengeance or renewal: didn't Tyrande already pick vengeance when she was trying to kill Sylvanas earlier? Why is the decision pushed to now?
Elune retracted her power from Tyrande when Tyrande had the chance to finish Sylvannas. NOW she wants to give Tyrande a choice of "vengeance, or renewal"? How convenient...
@@mokarokas-1727 I get the feeling that they are going for the "dun dun DUN!" dramatic moments where we are supposed to be surprised by the sudden twists in the story, and then excited for the next reveal. But it doesn't really work when it keeps happening without paying off.
Tbh since Tyrande says "My life for hers" i thought Elune didn't want Tyrande to get herself killed for vengeance when her people desperately need her and now Elune is helping her cause she won't die in the process this time
@@Dantarn That is a fair point if we assume that Elune *has* to kill Tyrande if she kills Sylvanas. We can assume that Elune controls how much power the Night Warrior gets (given she shut it off presumably), so at any point she could have simply stopped the damage to Tyrande if that was her reasoning.
Ardenweld: "OMG all the souls supposed to be coming here are going into the maw! HELP" Elune: "Oh, let me just send more souls there!" Ardenweld: "But... Everything supposed to be coming here is instead going into the maw..." Elune: "It'll be fine fam." *All the souls go into the maw* Elune: "wHaT hApPeNeD tO tHe SoUlS?"
None of the realems knew all the souls were going to the maw. That was the point of the letters we were taking to Ardenweld and Revendreth. By the time we first go to Ardenweild to meet the winter queen, we learn the machine of death is broken, that the Kyrian dont alrdy know and we help Kleia send a soul there...cause we didnt say shit...than we go to Maldraxxus and learn the Primus is gone and once done there learn it was The Jailer or did it and is the root cause. The Primus prepared info for Ardenweild and Revendreth so we take it. So the Winter Queen only knew there werent souls getting to them, had no clue why until we showed up and told her. But also...Elune knows souls are getting there so she tries to send alot more there without questioning it is dumb.
Elune "im gonna give em a good sleep before they burn" Nightelfs "OMG THE EVERYTHINGS ON F- *nice comfy nap* *2 seconds later* "Welcome to Torghast time to be tortured!" That is a pretty big oof if you look at perspective of the ones that died in the tree lol
"Hello and welcome to Torghast. I'm _Incoherent screech_ and I'll be torturing you for the rest of eternity. Thank you for your patronage. We know that you have many choices for eternal damnation, and we're glad you chose us."
Back in my day, Elune was actually cool. And Sylvanas was a cool character. The only character that got better over time is Jaina and thats why I stan my Lord Admiral.
I think Blizz is breaking their own lore. It really makes no sense why the Emerald Dream is connected to Ardenweald. The Emerald Dream = Nature/Life, Ardenweald = Necromatic/Death. All the other groups have it where beings close to the magic are sent to their respected ones. In fact before Shadowlands that is what happened the Wild Gods were sent back to the Emerald Dream just like Demons are sent to the Neather, Old Gods to the Void, and Titans to the realm of order. If Eonar is also a sister then it will make sense, as they may have some little pact going on or something. Next patch better be Loa Vol'jin.
Everyone is saying she committed genocide or helped in it .that is not what she said she said in the week of tragedy which means the tragedy was going to happen and so she took a tragedy and turned it into something useful ,instead of taking them to her she sent them to her sister; it would seem that most night elves most likely would go to her when they die rather than her sister but in order to help her sister she sent them to her or at least she thought that’s where they were going
there isn't elune good or bad, there is Blizzard killing a race capital via Sylvanas, trying to redeem sylvanas, then putting some of the blame on Elune, the night elven goddess
It’s actually worse considering that Elune can send souls directly into Ardenweld like when we saw do it to Ysera. Not to mention very few soldiers were in the Tree when it burned, 99% of those souls were women and children... She already condemned innocents in life and now condemned them in the after life as well. Jesús man, The plot is incredibly stupid.
Also how in the Hell could Elune did not know all souls were going to the Maw, including the Wild Gods who serve Elune and the Night Elves. But the freaking Troll God of death new, when is a lackey with fewer power and reach than freaking Elune. Also did the Winter Queen really didn’t keep up her own sister on the situation?!
@@bernardotorres5274 can't really agree on the Ysera part since the "machine of death" broke at the end of the Legion expansion, but Ysera died earlier on. But I do agree Elune not attempting to save Teldrassil is weird.
@@bernardotorres5274 she can usually send them directly there but because of what happened they went to the maw, she implies this pretty blatantly she didn’t realize that it was broken you are forgetting that ysera was before it was broken went to there we know this because a blizzard said sometime in mid to late legion the machinery of death was broken. So no she couldn’t send them straight there she had no idea it was broken
She may have known about the maw, just didn't know that the machinery of death was broken. She just felt something was wrong at arden and tried to help.
@@darkdemise99 I mean, some of the Eternals weren't aware either until long after the anima drought began. For Eons the system just worked, and the idea that it could just stop working was perhaps not a thought that crosses their minds.
Yeah honestly bwomsamdi always seemed like he was out for himself and willing to do whatever it takes to profit off of it. But... Shadow lands showed me that he actually gives a damn about all the trolls. He explicitly states this in his fight with mueh'zala. That's why I love him as a character lol
They never suffered. She put them into a slumber so they felt no pain. Elune isn't a super, super god.. it's not her place to intervene in mortal affairs.
@@remyhadley6595 Sylvanas told Tyrande"Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" so Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld
@@atafakheri8659 I think that is more along the lines of the embers being Elune's wrath, and the bargain being that Tyrande is channelling immense power to be the Night Warrior.
@@diegochatard-caraballo5848 What bugs me is she was innocent (relatively) to start with. Then the writers went out of their way to make Sylvanas look as bad as they could, and now they're backtracking. Like, remember when they told us, 15 years after the fact, that "Yeah Wrathgate *was* Sylvanas actually"?
Yeah it seem to be that the realms really have no idea what is going on with each other seeing as even the Kirin in the shadow realm had no idea the lich king was a thing going on. It's odd to think these godly beings can't see what is happening between realms but that seems to be the case on both ends.
I would be so pissed to get to the after life, only to find out that not even the gods have their shit together. Like, c'mon! They've existed for millennia and yet there are mortal born toddlers more emotionally/intellectually aware than these so called, "Gods."
@@braidend4379 That's the jailer that took it not the covenants, pretty sure the jailer used the lich king/sylvanes to see into the real world. Now that I think of it shouldn't the kirin know wtf is going on on azeroph since they have to go back and forth to retreave souls?
I think 2 things: 1. Elune is the sister of life therefore she can't see what's going on with her sister of death, and 2. Elune only can speak through a living soul. That's my take from this.
"Why did you send the souls to the shadowlands " "Cause you needed them" "Why did we need them?" "Cause there was a drought and you weren't getting any souls" "THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU SEND THEM TO THE SHADOWLANDS"
Everyone seems to be forgetting that even the denizens of the SL didnt even know that the souls were going into the Maw besides the attendants of the Arbiter. They all just thought that more souls werent coming When Kleia goes to Oribos for the first time she is shocked. And the attendants just saw it as part of the Purpose's plan
Soem people in the Shadowlands still have memories of how living was like. At the very least those should have known that a drought of death is very implausible. Point is that much pain could have been avoided with better communication.
Ohoo, another storyline driven into the ground. What exactly was the purpose of the 2 year long Night Warrior storyline? To tell Tyrande that her goddess gives 0 fucks about NElves? Tyrande Night Warrior achieved nothing, she just spent a few months cutting down the Jailer's forces in the Maw, so basically she did what the Maw walkers have been doing.
Nobbel what I am understanding from this cinematic is that Elune did not cause the events at Teldrassil or allow it to happen, but since it did happen she "earmarked the souls to go to Ardenweald" much like she sent Yesara to Ardenweald, thus the in the wake of tragedy wording. Elune however clearly was unaware that all the souls were being sent to the Maw at that time.
@@jaybrooks4980 that could be true too, But blizzard has tried to say that the light is not that morally good, for example, the rejection of gift cinematic from legion. if it was the case that elune sacrificed those night elves to save the shadowland it would show that the light is just as pragmatic as the void, which honestly would make a better story
and NE players keep getting shit on... and i know im like free from feeling veeery upset when i gave up on wow is like i broke a spell This is not my lore.
I did this quest with my night elf druid today, and here are my thoughts: I don't think Elune just let the night elves die. She tried to make the best out of a terrible tragedy and help her sister, unaware that the Arbiter was broken. It seems the other cosmic forces are unaware what's going on in the Shadowlands, including the Eternal Ones (except Denathrius) prior to our arrival. Only Bwonsamdi knew what was going on, and he used this knowledge to save the trolls that died during the war, and hide them from Mueh'zala and the Jailer. We can debate whether Elune could or couldn't have saved the night elves, but it seems to me her powers are limited outside her own realm. We still don't know why she denied Tyrande her vengeance, but given how Tyrande's rage almost destroyed the grove during this quest, we can assume her blowing up herself to take down Sylvanas could have destroyed Ardenweald in the process, and that's clearly not what Elune wants. At least she helped restore Ardenweald, which gave us a new sigil we're going to need for the Primus' backup plan. These are my thoughts of course, and I hope I'm right. The night elves have suffered enough for the past two expansions, and the last thing they need is Steve Danuser pulling some nihilistic crap about the gods being dicks, just to please a couple of tinfoil hats on UA-cam, and make Sylvanas look more noble than she really is. I get the idea that vengeance is bad, but I hope Sylvanas' restored soul will allow her to actually feel remorse for her actions, and try to set things right. Only then will the Kaldorei have justice, and we can leave this tragedy behind.
Elune sent the souls from the burning to save Ardenweald so they could aide in rebirth. She "allowed" them to be killed believing they would be reborn in Ardenweald and would supply Ardenweald with Anima. She didn't know the Engine was broken and when she tried to send them all to Ardenweald, they instead went to the MAW. We should stop assuming she COULD save them. Her power is not absolute. It may well have been out of her ability to stop.
She was able to create a shield that literally stopped a Burning legion general and the *strongest mage in the lore* from piercing it. She could have put out a fucking fire.
So Jaina was able to shoot frozen orbs able to freeze plague out of her huge flying ship, but somehow Elune would not be able to protect a big tree from catapults or douse the fires? Or even empower her children during the Darkshore invasion at least so much for them to be able to push back the Horde? Hmm. What a goddess she is.
@@edykedy5800 Again you are making assumptions. We do not know the workings of her power over the mortal plane. She may well have had no choice in the matter. And instead did what she could to help her sister.
So this is the impression that I’m getting: Elune: “burn, my favored children! Die, so your souls can fuel my sister!” Night elf souls after entering the maw: “this is not the peaceful afterlife Elune promised us! Elune abandoned us! We’d rather become dark rangers and serve Sylvanas.”
I understood it that way that Nightelves go to a seperate realm when they die. The realm of Elune, but instead of taking their Souls to her realm she sended them to her sister instead.
so Elune COULD have helped but didn’t so the Night Elves would die and go to The Shadow Lands for Anima that’s fucked up lol. ALSO Remember when the Kyrians were just shepherding souls into the the Shadow Lands EVEN when they see the souls are going into the Maw and Non of the Covenant Leaders Said “hey we should stop that”… Bwonsamdi is the only Competent “God” lol
whoever said that once they give some of their anima they die? literally several characters do that in the ardenweald questlines. they get to choose an animal body and donate some anima.
My thoughts on the confusing wording "In the wake of tragedy, I sent forth a cascade of souls to sustain you (referring to the Winter Queen)" : 1) If the Tragedy = Burning of Teldrassil event .. then why was she sending souls to "sustain Ardenweald or the Winter Queen" 2) If the Tragedy = Anima shortages across the Shadowlands .. then it almost sounded as if she used the Burning of Teldrassil to send souls to "sustain Ardenweald" Odd phrasing for sure ..
@@bisalissy3846 that could be true too, But blizzard has tried to say that the light is not that morally good, for example, the rejection of gift cinematic from legion. if it was the case that elune sacrificed those night elves to save the shadowland it would show that the light is just as pragmatic as the void, which honestly would make a better story
That's why Sylvanas wanted to kill Winter Queen , she knew something that Elune didnt. It's easy to see evil in the evil , it's harder to see evil in the good . Winter biatch.
Hey Nobbel Are we sure that Elune have a 20 20 vision inside the sadowland? Since it is not her domain hence why she has a sister there. Maybe she can't see what is going on inside the shadowland and can only react from what her sister is informing her about?
U wish she could be good , or u think she is good . Yet we know nothing about how she is . She is God of Death . From this cinematic u have to learn that even God's do mistakes.
Completely different realms. How would she know? Sargeras and the Titans who are the patheon of order also knew nothing. Nor have the naaru said anything. Its constantly been insinuated that her and the wq connection has been broken for untold millennia
@@elreytriton Then how did Sylvanas know that Elune would do this? If Elune knew, or decided to not do anything, Sylvanas would just have thousands of whisps on her hands.
@@elreytriton then how did the winter queen/elune know they had a sister? how come a loa knows so much more then an another god? How did Elune know there was help needed in Ardenweald? Let's not create excuses for such a lame story and reason
@@diegodevitti2105 you mean the loa whos boss was directly working for the jailer for who knows how many years? yeah idk how you'd get inside information out of that situation. and how did they know they had a sister? if you have a sibling and at one point you have a fight and they go to another country and you never speak again, do you forget you have a sibling? And elune said she heard her sisters cry for help, hearing something doesnt mean you can answer, do you think empire strikes back sucks because luke suddenly knows somethings up with his friends? sry man but those arent excuses but something you can come up with if you think about it for 5 mins without the whole "story sucks lol sylvANUS" attitude
@@nirodi3012 Bwonsamdi just sensed something wrong didn't actually know mueh'zala betrayed him and allied with the jailer, he just saved some of the zandalari, mostly his followers or with who he had a deal. Then you're saying that the winter queen was in the "alive world" or Elune in the "shadowlands"? "elune said she heard her sisters cry for help, hearing something doesnt mean you can answer" still makes no sense that she can "hear her" and no hear is not = to answering, so don't know what point you wanted to make. Your points make no sense at all to me. i Actually read every book and so on (except for adventurers of azeroth) so i'm, or better said, was fan of the lore. Since bfa it's just disappointment after disappointment. The teldrassil burn could have been so cool, but the way they made Sylvanas do it was patetic. Even cause initially in "before the storm" teldrassil was needed to then conquer Stormwind and create more Forsaken and a city for them to live and "prosperate" (for what is prosperate in a Forsaken way). But every cool character just got dumbed down extremely, and so many stupid and boring retcons of past lore.
I mean, this sounds like it's a matter of whether Elune could have done more, and decided to do just this, or whether this was the greatest extent she could have possibly intervened. When Teldrassil was burning, did Elune look at her spellbook and said "I can cast Tranquility but I will cast Mass Soothe instead, because I need to send some souls to help Winter Queen" or did she think "I am sorry my dear children I do not have enough mana, this is all I can do, but at least your afterlife will be a fairy garden"
Holy... I think Elune just beat Sylvannas levels of stupidity... She literary condemned thousands of innocent lives (not warriors, but literal women and children) to Ardenweld to aid the Winter Queen... The fact that she allowed her most loyal of worshippers to be slaughter so they could soldiers in the after life in itself is stupid... The fact that she didn’t know that all souls went to the Maw, is worse. It makes it even worse when you realize that she can send souls like Ysera directly to Ardebweld, but instead she just ship them in a box. Good lord man Shadowlands story/lord is getting stupider by the second!
@@MikeTall88 But nothing stop her from keeping up with her Sister in Ardenweld. The Winter Queen could have kept her up to date and when found out about all souls going to the Maw, maybe create a sort of back door entrance for souls and Anima via the Emerald Dream (considering that realm and Ardenweld are much better connected it would only take a concentrated effort on both sides to create a gate directly to Ardenweld). Also like I said she can send souls directly to Ardenweld, and this time she simply allowed them to go through the “natural” process. Worst is that she could just ask “Hey dear sister, did you get the souls I sent you?”
tbf when we entered the shadowlands. no one of the covanent leaders knew that the souls were going to the Maw. we had to tell them. so why/how would elune have known?
Didn't bastion know? Since it is them that bring the souls to the arbiter. And i think there is a covenant quest you do with Kleia that reveals that souls go to the maw.
@@TheKGiannis you just saved my comment lol. Yes when we arrive there they did not know. They knew becouse of us. Later the know as you mentioned in a covenant quest. What is like w years after the burning of the tree. So yeah at the time they did not know.
I took it as " after the burning of teldrassil instead of letting them go to their afterlives i tried to send them to you specifically" and then her sister is like " elune....all souls regardless of which realm are being sent to the maw , did you not pay attention in 9.0 at all" elune : "oops maybe i should've watched nobbel first before i sent them through UPS" then again idk
@@JamailvanWestering Legion was pretty much the gold standard for a "modern" expac - in my opinion at least. Everything from the order halls / covenant system to the resource gathering via WQ wasn't a slog or a bore to do.
this is confusing ..so your telling me Elune managed to "whisper" sylvanis and say "hey i need you to be Evil and burn the great tree in order to save the machine of death" and Sylvanis agreed to it ..but didnt sylvanis wanna distroy the machine of death for the jailor?! .. i'm so glad i quit wow i cant even tell whats up or down anymore
Elune is a God of Life... Not of Death... It makes sense in the way that she doesn't know much about the happenings of the Afterlife, but only of the renewal cycle of ardenweld. (Apologies for botching the name)
Elune didn't know Death was broken & sent her favored children into death believing they would one day return to life as that is what Aredenweald is supposed to do. But since the Machine of Death was broken when that happened all the souls went to the Maw instead of Ardenweald.
I hope not, remember the ranger general are not that good person to begin, and after the story of how she see arthas after her second dead i still think we maybe will have both of villains return and act to piss of The Jailer Plan! In fact i really want know whre are Arthas fragments, after all if we really see he maybe have his soul break in three: The Prince who are eat by Frostmourne, His Heart Matthias and the First Death Knight of Scourge, the one Uther make "justice".
I see what blizzard is doing. They made this cinematic confusing on purpose, in order to keep us busy for a month trying to figure what’s going on in this cinematic, while they deal with their lawsuit issues. Clever 😈
I have a feeling that Sylvanas was not necessarily guided by Elune, but that Elune saw what was happening as an opportunity to attempt to help Ardenweald while unwittingly helping the Jailor instead.
I think that when Sylvannas burned the Great Tree, Elune sent the souls to Ardenweald for solace. Not to feed Ardenweald. She didn't realize that Shadowlands isn't working as intended and the souls went into the Maw.
yeah, cause idiots are writing it, it's like they get stoned and they're like: "we need to write something, but we have to be PC, woke and all that shit" bring back metzen, make azeroth great again
I believe these events they're talking about are events from WC3 and BfA, in WC3 night elves were devastated with close victory as their original grand tree got destroyed, killing the demon with a mass of souls that were originally meant to be sent to Ardenweald. This caused a massive drought in Ardenweald that stood by for a long time. Elune knew this was happening, and she had another tree to be put up to attempt to repair the drought in Ardenweald, but it got burned instead of having souls used up on a large being. Her last result was to send the souls that were still in tree to Ardenweald, but this likely happened after the events when Arbiter was knocked out cold and all souls were being delivered to the Maw. You would expect Elune to know a lot more, but this makes me question her... Is she lying of her lack of knowledge?
Only 5:13 in, we see an actual tear of Elune and then it's made into a "tear of Elune", is it just a batteri they filled with the nightwarrior energy they drained from Tyrande?
It's like Blizzard shredded a script and shot it out of a confetti cannon towards a sticky wall and has been making the story up by taking tidbits here and there.
![The Story of Tyrande Whisperwind - Part 1 [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LE9oczOypCc/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Story of/ What is Elune [Lore]](/img/n.gif)
After a bit of discussion and talks, I think best case scenario would be:
Elune trying to do her best for her sister, making use of the burning of teldrassil and instead of letting them be wisps, fling them into the shadowlands where there's something going on. Hoping that it would work out.
That's still not great imo and they could have gone about this in so many different ways. Cool cutscene though!
I think the other thing we have to think about is how much of a purview over the realm of death as a deity does she have. Bwonsamdi and Elune are very different when it comes to what they manage. Just because Elune is the sister of the Winter Queen doesn’t mean she has the same ability to sense what is happening in the realms of death. She clearly has some powers over it, as evidenced by this cutscene and what happened with Ysera, but to say it should be akin to what Bwonsamdi has? Idk about that one chief. Especially since Elune has always been very hands off compared to other gods/godlike beings in WoW.
Yeah I think your right with the not turning into wisps and instead sending them into the shadowlands. Like I think the way she says "in the wake of the tragedy" imples she couldn't control what happened at teldrasil and the elves but she could control what happened to the souls.
Like while the night elves ask why could she not put out the fire, am not entirely certain in lore how much the "gods" of azeroth can effect the mortal world, like could she have put out the flames? Is that within her power? Because elude seems to deal alot with souls or empowering mortals to great feats.
The key word here is "spring" What I got here is: Elune let Nelves die and sent souls to SL with keeping in mind, if Life and Death are working as intendent once more, ahe would bring this aouls back to Azeroth. Another key word here is "renewal" it also points directly to bringing back Night Elves back to Azeroth. Not as a wiaps but in the same way Wild Gods return. As a whole. But that is what I see and it is probably wishful thinking. But, since blizzard and danuser know how big screw up burning of teldrassil was from them and what kind of backlash it provoked, they are planing to make so, yes it happend but we fixed it. That way, they could get rid of the genocide stygma they stamped on themselves and bring back people like I am. Even hazzikostas said he was stunned by reaction about teldrassil and genocide. Well what did he expected it will happen...
In the cinematic between Tyrande and Sylvanas, the latter says "Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" could it be Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld, in the hope the nightelf souls went to Ardenweld?
Don't think Elune is omnipotent. On top of that she likely isn't tunnel visioning everything that goes on on azeroth, as she seems to be a deity on many other planets in the universe. So she has other duties to take care off too.
Not knowing what was going on in the shadowlands, she send the dying souls there, only to find out that the "aid" she send, got jacked by zovaal.
Tauren hearing Night Elves are Elune's favored children: *sad cow noises*
to be honest though would they want anything to do with Elune did to her "favored children".
Maybe it's more like "Azerothians who worship me" I feel for the cows
Taurens not being turned into the large steakhouse in Warcraft happy noise
Tauren joins their cousins, the Beastmen, in cow sobbing. Expect goblins to laugh at them.
The Tauren do not worship Mu'sha (Elune - The Moon) only, but The Earth Mother and An'she (The Sun) too; perhaps is The Sun who see them as his favored children (if the 2 remaining are in the Phanteon of Life with Elune/Mu'sha) :)
Elune was watching a news segment of the crisis in Ardenweald and decided to liquidate and sell off most of her Night Elf assets to donate to the relief fund, not knowing that the relief fund was a front for the Jailer
Lol
not elegant, but makes sense
Well put.
About the souls from Teldrassil , i think Sylvanas mistake to deliver the order and she sent the package to a different address. xDD
So , Elune is asking Tyrande for a refund from Sylvanas.
Finance Bro Elune
Every expansion, it gets harder and harder to pretend my character is just a warrior from Goldshire who likes to fish.
totally your fault for leaving Goldshire.
That was over the moment you want to the first vanilla raid
Lmao
People say this as if Classic WoW's first raid didn't have you kill Ragnaros or that Burning Crusade didn't have you travel to an alternate world and kill demons on the reg
Oh, so the "Tear of Elune" was meant to be literal :D
It’s the tear she shed while she laughed her ass off at the millions of her people slaughtered while she forwarded them to her sister.
@@Theheadless1858 fkn email got corrupted
Not just literal, but also plural now
@@Theheadless1858 if Elune would intervine everytime the NE needed help, she wouldn't be a goddess but a babysitter. The NE wouldn't have developed as well, because they would have been to dependent on Elune, like toddlers. Since Sargeras we know that Elune wont/ can't intervine like many want to (a boring captain planet solving every NE problem that happens). If she does that, I want every single wow god/loa to do the same. Where were the loas when NE/He slaughtered the trolls? Where were the void lords when we attacked their minion? Where was the light when Arthas destroyed a human nation? You want a "world of war between gods and you are just there cause lol you can't do shit against them" game?
@@TheDovolan "You want a "world of war between gods and you are just there cause lol you can't do shit against them" game?"
Ah yes. The Deathwing fight in the nutshell. Manicure him while thrall charges up the death laser.
D&D: “Well Elune kind of forgot about the Maw”
That never gets old.
@@scientistforscience it does when you realize that elune litterly never knew. The only characters that knew are characters that are in the maw or close to the arbitor, Bwonsamdi knew because he keeps moving from and to the shadowlands all the time so at some point he might have figured out that something bad is happening. Even the winter queen and the archon didn't know about it until we came into the shadowlands ourselves. so saying that elune just kinda forgot is just a stupid statement.
@@Runepower that makes it worse since she knew there was an issue that souls here not getting to the shadowlands and then blindly threw thousands of soul knowing this was a issue, and did not even bother to investigate.
@@flameknightdragon She didn't know, that's was the point he just made. Maybe read?
@@flameknightdragon I see a lot of people like this guy assuming what Elune can do and ignore what she might not be able to pull off at the moment. Most godly beings can't interact directly with the world for the most part unless they use others invoking them.
Winte Queen: "Sister, we need your help, we have an anima drought"
Tyrande: "Elune, we need your help, Sylvannas is burning Teldrassil."
Elune: "How convinient..."
I'm taking this as;
- Shadowlands draught causing Winter Queen to cry out for aid
- Elune hears the call and likely assumed the draught was caused either due to Legion's events, or responded emotionally rather than rationally (and she does seem super emotional)
- Elune clearly knows of the Shadowlands and the Maw's existence, but not the current cause of its issues same as other Covenants so she naively thought the cycle would eventually rebirth her children, the Nelfs
- Because of Elune's knowledge of the Shadowlands and relation to the Winter Queen, it's safe to assume she knows at least something about Zovaal (perhaps through her sister) and likewise, Zovaal knows about the bond between Elune and the Winter Queen which he chooses to indirectly exploit by sending Sylvanas to Teldrassil
- Sylvie burns the tree, with her and Zovaal both expecting Elune to let the Night Elfs go to the Shadowlands to aid Ardenweald and the Winter Queen
- Because Elune didn't know what Zovaal was doing, she unintentionally sent the souls to the Maw
- Because the deceased Nelfs didn't turn into whisps at Elune's hand, it offered a small window of time which Sylvanas used to persuade some of them, like Delaryn, to her own side to aid the war and reap further death. Emboldened by the dead Nelfs realizing "Hey I didn't become a whisp, Elune has abandoned me, eff her"
Those are my rambling takes but I'm not a knowledgeable lore nut :D
I think you got the nail on the head.
Tbh you explained dit alot better then I ever could lol
For someone who isn't a "knowledgeable lore nut" You did a pretty damn good job playing whackamole with the situation.
It feels a little lame that she kinda just went "Oops!", but you make it sound at least somewhat more rational.
I like this idea too.
Some people also speculate that Elune spared Sylvannas as a thank you for what she did (killing the people), I know why they got the idea, but come on, that's dumb.
But no, I think Elune spared Sylvannas, so Tyrande wouldn't die. As she was going to help Ardenweald recover in the future, or she has even bigger plans for Tyrande in the future. As she mentioned, the Night Elves are her favored children.
But my question is. If Bwonsamdi can redirect souls into De Other Side, so Elune can or cannot do the same?
I mean, she wasn't aware, so maybe she sent them like a shipment without tracking, lol.
So Elune finally makes a (sortof) appearance and immediately displays, for everyone to see, that she's ignorant. Cool.
Even the Old Gods and their minions seemed to have a deeper, albeit cryptic to us, understanding of exactly what was happening.
Because that's what the void does
“Flesh was his gift. He is your true creator”
What a waste, so much mystery and nearly two decades of build up, just to have a “Goddess” that just sees her charges as a resource battery and is even more clueless than the player as to what is even going on.
I’m so disappointed. It just feels like they are going through every piece of original lore, one by one and just cheapening, or invalidating it with no actual payoff.
I'd rather have a character with problems then a perfect character that is just boring to follow to be honest. So that even a god like creature like Elune can have these problems make the story only better to follow then just following a perfect creature around.
@@Runepower you can have a character with problems who isn't dumb as dogshit
"Vengeance or renewal?"
Both? Both. Both, yes, both is good. Both please.
One prize for costumer, i'm sorry! XD
Pointless suicideal vengence only to turn to forgiveness or something, take it or leave it.
vengeance or renewal? - vengeance! - so renewal it is, no killing of sylvanas for you. - so why could I choose then if you decide for me anyway? - JINXED! (elune 2021)
I think the idea is and i could wrong, When Night Elves die they become wisps as protectors of nature. But in this case Elune sent their souls to the shadowlands to aid Ardenweald instead of them becoming wisps.
Oh my god, that is something i totally forgot about. You're right, that's actual lore
It is all so totally wrong in so many ways. Elune betrayed her "favorite people" only to feed the shadowlands? Really? Horrible on so many levels.
@@HooLeeYo I dont understand this "she betrayed her people" opinion people keep parroting. Elune didn't do it out of malicious intent. She had heard from The Winter Queen that things were not okay, & decided to send the souls of the night elves killed at the burning of Teldrassil to Ardenweald, for their anima AND so they can be reborn there. She did the same thing to Ysera, yet no ones crying that she did something wrong towards her. Elune did not know what was happening in the Shadowlands, she didn't know the souls were being fed straight into the maw.
@@HooLeeYo let's not forget the cinematic did not suggest that Elune was behind the burning of teldrassil. The act of burning the tree was done by sylvanas, perhaps on the instruction of someone else (nathrezim/helya/the jailer). Elune's involvement here is sending the dying souls to ardenweald to assist the winter queen. Elune even refers to burning of teldrassil as a "tragedy", which suggests to me that she was not behind it.
@@monoononoke So if the Night Elf Souls choose to sacrifice themselves and do the thing that happened to Archimonde, and basically turn into wisps going all around The Jailer and damage him or take the sigils out "prob because something dumb like Mournblades pull things from Souls, and all the Night Elves together get that power and all blow up while the *Infinity Sigil* aka The Arbiters Core then our Characters re jail The Jailer and Sylvanas becomes Illidan 2.0 I swear if she goes "At Last" at the very end of Shadowlands fhgfsdga
3:03 Elune didn't know about the maw, just like the people in the shadowlands themselves never wonderd why the fuck they weren't getting any souls.
yea... all people in the shadowlands are not so clever... i guess... but the ppl in oribos know it, why they have not tell the other parts of the shadowlands?
Aye initial reaction and all that. She was aware something was up in the shadowlands though
Here's what i think she knew of the drought and suffering and turned the nastiness of the buring into something that could aid ardewald by giving them a surplus of anima but she didn't know that the maw was taking all the souls. I think ellune didn't realize how bad it was.
So, she knows there is a drought, but not where the souls are coming? And her decision is to sacrifice her beloved subjects?
So they made her into an idiot in the first dialogue she ever had. I am done.
Winter Queen: What the F sis?! I called you MONTHS ago for help and NOW you show up?! Where were you when I needed you most?
Elune: Wait, what? I sent you like a whole bunch of help back then. The packages should have arrived by now through Arbiter Express.
Winter Queen:...oh! So that is why.
Elune: Why what?
Winter Queen: Sis...Arbiter Express went bankrupt sometime last year. All the packages sent to them nowadays end up in a warehouse.
Elune: Oh...I am...sorry! I didn`t know...Well I think we can reposes those packages if we make some calls.
Winter Queen: Yeah...thanks, anyway sis!
Elune: Hey...If it helps, you can have my Snickers-bar.
-Meanwhile is Bation-
Kleia: Boss, are you sure that the packages we pick up and drop to the HQ are still delivered?
Kyrestia: Of course, why would you ask such a question?
Kleia: Because when I left the last one...the place was empty.
Kyrestia: Must have been during break.
Kleia: But..the front door was locked up and something was stapled on it. It looked like an eviction notice.
Kyrestia: You know what it actually looked like? It looked like a pay-cut and a demotion for you if you don`t shut the hell up and do your job.
Bwonsamdi likely knew about the Maw because he was still "working" for Muezala, who's is league with the Jailer.
I really don’t understand why no context creator has said this. I’ve tried on multi live streams watching reactions to this and nothing >_
It was also weird to me Nobbel didn't pick this up or the fact that Elune was out doing Elune things, not in the loop AT ALL and probably heard the cries and reacted.
"Why didn't she question?" I know what its like to be the f'ed up sibling who has good intentions but never gets things right...maybe thats Elune lol.
Well, you are not a primordial god whose has power over a large portion of cosmos, are you?
@@Pelagion98 do you ever have a vexing sibling such as ours?
@@zedsanguinar5275 What? How is that relevant? The problem is not that Elune and the WQ are fighting, but that Elune is made out to be an idiot who lacks critical information.
@@Pelagion98 To be frank most of the afterlife higher ups had no clue either.
Kyrians especially.
The Player Character literally walks into their domain straight from the maw. Knowing full well that all souls get dumped into hell.
Kyrians - Let's go ship some souls over to help with the drought! LOL!
Well that's 20+ years down the drain in 60 seconds
When Nobbel can't even piece together the story lol
I came here to find answered to the stupidity I just saw at the cinematics and I see nobbel frustrated this sums everything up
@@gregbeg3390 i got it pretty fast and to see other people reaction to it
The real bombshell is not this cinimatic but what the primus says after. "The Winter Queen is bound to her counterpart in the realms of Life. Together, they embody the balance of the great cycle." Elune is the goddess of life confirmed.
Elune is the Spring and Summer to The Winter Queen's Autumn and Winter.
Damn… demigods in the Shadowlands are some unaware bricks…
Anything original from current writers (other than zappy boi) is rather quite dogshit
How would Elune know what happens in the Shadowlands if she's in Reality...
@@Sanguiris maybe ask her sister what was going on exactly? All the demigods in SL are kind of dumb for the role they must cover and unfortunately they MUST be that dumb otherwise the story wouldn’t progress. SL has a really big load of bad writing, if it’s because time schedule or incompetence I don’t know.
@@SagittariusSisyphus And how would she ask her sister?
@@Sanguiris Probbaly same way Winter Queen been sending her "cries for aid"
what if the meaning behind this is less "she let it happen" and more " since it happened, I sent their souls to you instead of making them become wisps" like nightelves would normally do?
i just dont know why everyone thinks that elune could do something about the tree burning down, in the same context, why would elune allow archimonde to rampage up hyjall, why do we have the impression that elune would meddle with mortal affairs at all?
This def makes the most sense, just listen to her wording
„In the wake of a tradegy, i sent forth a great cascade of souls to sustain you“
The „in the wake“ part especially sounds like she‘s just making the best out of a real shit situation
Right I think you’re onto something because if you look at what happened to ysera she didn’t kill her she allowed what happened to happen but she didn’t kill her on purpose but she did send her to her sister to help her
@@schpamonkey I mean then why worship Elune? What’s the good of a god that can’t do anything for its people?
Imo people forget about free will. I think Elune didn't stop the burning because in the end she couldn't without upsetting other balances/rules. So she did what she could in regarded to the people, not knowing about the Maw situation. Remember, Elune isn't directly involved in the Shadowlands, so her not realizing about the truth of the situation is reasonable.
How to win the Celestial War:
Part 1: Evolve a race of Trolls into your perfect children
Part 2: Grant them a Big Tree for them to live in
Part 3: See your sister is in need of help
Part 4: Let your children burn to death so you can help your sister in the Emerald Dream
*They go into the Maw instead.*
The despicable me meme:
Ardenwaeld is dying
Teldrassil victims can be sent to the shadowlands
Dead elves are sent to the maw
*Dead elves are sent to the maw*
Elune sorry elf’s I need a few AAA batteries for my tv remote
This is the gru meme, but in the last panel, instead of Elune face on Gru, it changes into the Jailer's face with a grin
XDDD
@@aSinkingShip Dead elf's are sent to the maw
9.2 - Jailer enter The First One realm, he tries to change the timeline. The player tries to stop Jailer but failed.
9.3 - Player reenter WoD
Will it be the actual planned WoD with scrapped content? I wouldnt mind
@@thedoctor9309 I would, fuck the Garrison was boring
In the same way that Elune directly intervened with the soul of Ysera I think she tried to directly intervene with the souls of the night elves by trying to send them directly to Ardenweald but they were consumed by the Maw instead. This is just worded badly.
Except she didn’t according to the Shadowlands lore book Ysera was simply so attuned to the cycle that’s where she went.
@@Theheadless1858 We the players literally saw Ysera be plucked and picked up. Idk man it feels like the narrative team has no clue what they're doing anymore.
@@Theheadless1858 The Grimoire is also written from a Broker's perspective, and there's been some things in the Grimoire that seem to have a lack of knowledge from the author's perspective that we the adventurers know, like Odyn's Eye being turned into the Eye of the Jailer, while the Grimoire author says they don't know why the Jailer wanted the eye. Taliesin & Evitel have a great video talking about the Grimoire that point that specifically out, so it's possible they also made assumptions about why Ysera ended up in Ardenweald, since usually the souls end up in Ardenweald purely because of connection with nature, it seems like. It's not an unreasonable assumption to make, especially if the Brokers don't know about Elune, or at least don't know about that part of Azeroth's history
@@MercifulEmma Ysera died BEFORE the machine of death was broken.
@@kaneslives Yeah and? That doesn't change anything. Just means Elune tried to intervene and the Jailer/Jailers influence was just to strong to circumvent.
You know this is a mess when the best lore minds are like "uhhhhh what?!"
5:56 "In the wake of tragedy I sent forth a cascade of souls." Accordning to that sentence, Elune is not necessarily behind the burning of Teldrassil.
In the wake of = after something
Thank you. I felt like I was the only one who noticed the wording. Elune merely took advantage of the opportunity before her, and attempted to solve 2 problems at once by sending the dead NE to her sister.
Sylvanas told Tyrande"Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" so Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld
After rewatching it a number of times and piecing it together i feel the "wake of tragedy" is referring to the anima drought, not Teldrassyl
@@atafakheri8659 Maybe Sylvanas speak the true because the jailer told her that Elune will send her children for her aunt to help in her store instead of making them help i'm home, or maybe Sylvanas just are doing smack talk because seh wanted high priestess of a people who banish her people of they country only because they don't want givin up magic really pissed!
@@victorsilva-ib6im wtf are you talking about?
this cinematic was obviously intended to give an unclear statement on elunes position. it was intended to open conversation on it.
blizzard has been trying to suggest that the Light might not be that good that we think.
for example, they showed this kind of story by the rejection of gift cinematic
So Elune tried to solve two problems at the same time by sending the souls to Ardenweald to be reborn, which would also help her sister. That makes sense. Whether or not she let the Night Elves die to let that happen is another story. I don’t think that outcome is likely, but if it is, we have to seriously question the characterization of Elune up until this point. And of course, there’s a real chance it won’t be good.
Why are we assuming she could stop it? She is not all powerful and her power in the mortal world seems very limited as she usually channels it through other things.
@@MrThundaro That’s a question that still has to be answered. Elune has always come across as a less active goddess, but at times has shown to be able to perform certain feats at the behest of the night elves via prayer, which is what happened at Teldrassil. Whether or not she could’ve stopped the fire is yet to be seen imo.
I think the other thing we have to think about is how much of a purview over the realm of death as a deity does she have. Bwonsamdi and Elune are very different when it comes to what they manage. Just because Elune is the sister of the Winter Queen doesn’t mean she has the same ability to sense what is happening in the realms of death. She clearly has some powers over it, as evidenced by this cutscene and what happened with Ysera, but to say it should be akin to what Bwonsamdi has? Idk about that chief.
Nevermind that on a cosmic scale the few thousand that were in Darnassus is like pissing in a wind.
@@Pelagion98 I can definitely see Elune thinking very much on a big picture scale for this.
Sylvanas told Tyrande"Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" so Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld
That's like: "Dude I need Help." "Yeah, no problem I transferred 10000000$ onto your PayPal." "I need help because my PayPal has been hacked."
I wonder how every NE would feel to know they just a food bank.
That is a very blunt way to look at that, or you can look at it from different angles as they could’ve been reborn later on when they had enough anima there to do so or you could simply say from one sister to the next I think the issue is she didn’t tell him if she did I don’t think they would’ve made it but she didn’t
@@timar6868 sure we can try to find out different angles in order to make some sense of bad nonsense lore but thats not the point :) basically NE worship a god that ultimately didnt give a shit about them.
@@metallixro And said god tossed them into a meat grinder.
And said god gave the soul parcel that was to be delivered to Ardenweald to a postman.
But the postman was just a guy playing dress up. He stole the packages and tossed them all into hell instead of taking them to the sorting facility.
@@metallixro you're giving gods to much credits of they're capabilities of interfering. she made the best out a bad situation as to how much she knew. god's dont make sure you survive a car accident or not make it happen at all. they make sure that what happens afterwards is what matters. and thats exactly what elune did. (im not even religious and i get this wtf)
Well, becoming wisps is probably something which shouldn't really happen, sending them to Ardenweald instead to sustain the one thing that protects the Cosmos from destruction doesn't seem that evil
The alcohol during workhours is showing
Underrated comment 😂
For Nobbel or the Blizz staff?
@@rollingslothmachine3431 Blizz staff of course
@@Cylus024 Well, I think in that case it's not only the alcohol to blame here. ;P
Elune says Tyrande must pick: vengeance or renewal: didn't Tyrande already pick vengeance when she was trying to kill Sylvanas earlier? Why is the decision pushed to now?
She picked wrong. This time she has to pick the right answer, but it's still her choice.
@@zym6687 That's....not really a choice.
@@eschatological Now you see Sylvanas' plight.
Elune- i sent you a bunch of souls...
Winter queen- those all went to the maw
Elune- oh word? Ah dang, my b
The souls have to be judged by the Arbiter anyway, so Elune can't have sent souls directly to Ardenweald.
Elune retracted her power from Tyrande when Tyrande had the chance to finish Sylvannas. NOW she wants to give Tyrande a choice of "vengeance, or renewal"?
How convenient...
lol yeah, almost like the writers don't know what they're doing or something.
holy cow I didn’t catch that. That’s awful lmao
@@mokarokas-1727 I get the feeling that they are going for the "dun dun DUN!" dramatic moments where we are supposed to be surprised by the sudden twists in the story, and then excited for the next reveal.
But it doesn't really work when it keeps happening without paying off.
Tbh since Tyrande says "My life for hers" i thought Elune didn't want Tyrande to get herself killed for vengeance when her people desperately need her and now Elune is helping her cause she won't die in the process this time
@@Dantarn That is a fair point if we assume that Elune *has* to kill Tyrande if she kills Sylvanas. We can assume that Elune controls how much power the Night Warrior gets (given she shut it off presumably), so at any point she could have simply stopped the damage to Tyrande if that was her reasoning.
Ardenweld: "OMG all the souls supposed to be coming here are going into the maw! HELP"
Elune: "Oh, let me just send more souls there!"
Ardenweld: "But... Everything supposed to be coming here is instead going into the maw..."
Elune: "It'll be fine fam."
*All the souls go into the maw*
Elune: "wHaT hApPeNeD tO tHe SoUlS?"
None of the realems knew all the souls were going to the maw.
That was the point of the letters we were taking to Ardenweld and Revendreth. By the time we first go to Ardenweild to meet the winter queen, we learn the machine of death is broken, that the Kyrian dont alrdy know and we help Kleia send a soul there...cause we didnt say shit...than we go to Maldraxxus and learn the Primus is gone and once done there learn it was The Jailer or did it and is the root cause. The Primus prepared info for Ardenweild and Revendreth so we take it.
So the Winter Queen only knew there werent souls getting to them, had no clue why until we showed up and told her.
But also...Elune knows souls are getting there so she tries to send alot more there without questioning it is dumb.
All this bull with the Night Warrior, vengeance and uncertain future of the night elves, because Elune made an oopsie.
"I'm going to send the souls to my sister, and assume everything went to plan.'
"Should we check if..."
"Shhhh."
Elune "im gonna give em a good sleep before they burn"
Nightelfs "OMG THE EVERYTHINGS ON F- *nice comfy nap*
*2 seconds later*
"Welcome to Torghast time to be tortured!"
That is a pretty big oof if you look at perspective of the ones that died in the tree lol
"Hello and welcome to Torghast. I'm _Incoherent screech_ and I'll be torturing you for the rest of eternity. Thank you for your patronage. We know that you have many choices for eternal damnation, and we're glad you chose us."
*is a literal night elf baby* "Goo goo Ga gaAAA GGHH!! *forever...*
Only way to make sylvanas right is to make everyone else stupid and wrong
Back in my day, Elune was actually cool.
And Sylvanas was a cool character. The only character that got better over time is Jaina and thats why I stan my Lord Admiral.
/salute to our Lord Admiral!
Jaina is one of the few main characters that they haven't ruined.
@@BearPawSwipe yet
Khadgar
At least we now know two specs of the new class Night Warrior - Vengeance and Renewal
But only one is able to reach max Level
I think Blizz is breaking their own lore.
It really makes no sense why the Emerald Dream is connected to Ardenweald. The Emerald Dream = Nature/Life, Ardenweald = Necromatic/Death. All the other groups have it where beings close to the magic are sent to their respected ones. In fact before Shadowlands that is what happened the Wild Gods were sent back to the Emerald Dream just like Demons are sent to the Neather, Old Gods to the Void, and Titans to the realm of order.
If Eonar is also a sister then it will make sense, as they may have some little pact going on or something.
Next patch better be Loa Vol'jin.
Everyone is saying she committed genocide or helped in it .that is not what she said she said in the week of tragedy which means the tragedy was going to happen and so she took a tragedy and turned it into something useful ,instead of taking them to her she sent them to her sister; it would seem that most night elves most likely would go to her when they die rather than her sister but in order to help her sister she sent them to her or at least she thought that’s where they were going
there isn't elune good or bad, there is Blizzard killing a race capital via Sylvanas, trying to redeem sylvanas, then putting some of the blame on Elune, the night elven goddess
It’s actually worse considering that Elune can send souls directly into Ardenweld like when we saw do it to Ysera. Not to mention very few soldiers were in the Tree when it burned, 99% of those souls were women and children... She already condemned innocents in life and now condemned them in the after life as well.
Jesús man, The plot is incredibly stupid.
Also how in the Hell could Elune did not know all souls were going to the Maw, including the Wild Gods who serve Elune and the Night Elves. But the freaking Troll God of death new, when is a lackey with fewer power and reach than freaking Elune. Also did the Winter Queen really didn’t keep up her own sister on the situation?!
@@bernardotorres5274 can't really agree on the Ysera part since the "machine of death" broke at the end of the Legion expansion, but Ysera died earlier on. But I do agree Elune not attempting to save Teldrassil is weird.
@@bernardotorres5274 she can usually send them directly there but because of what happened they went to the maw, she implies this pretty blatantly she didn’t realize that it was broken you are forgetting that ysera was before it was broken went to there we know this because a blizzard said sometime in mid to late legion the machinery of death was broken. So no she couldn’t send them straight there she had no idea it was broken
She may have known about the maw, just didn't know that the machinery of death was broken. She just felt something was wrong at arden and tried to help.
Freaking Bwonsamdi knew... you telling me Elune didn't?
@@darkdemise99 I mean, some of the Eternals weren't aware either until long after the anima drought began. For Eons the system just worked, and the idea that it could just stop working was perhaps not a thought that crosses their minds.
@@Danellos fair I guess, but I feel like it would cross her mind before she decides an entire city of innocent people need to be burned alive
@@darkdemise99 That's the thing with these people like "gods" they are only people with powers.
@@darkdemise99 Bwomsandi literally has a pocket dimension to the shadowlands 😟
UA-cam: How satisfied are you woth this notification?
Me: Yes
Say what you will about Bhowamdi, he's never failed to meet his part of the deal.
Yeah honestly bwomsamdi always seemed like he was out for himself and willing to do whatever it takes to profit off of it. But... Shadow lands showed me that he actually gives a damn about all the trolls. He explicitly states this in his fight with mueh'zala. That's why I love him as a character lol
Insane to finally put a name to the face.
You look the the warm feeling in my heart when I hear you speaking!
Teldrassil Night Elves: "ELUNE! SAVE US PLEASE!
Elune: "Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure" *goes to sip on a drink while watching the KalDorei perish in the fire.*
They never suffered. She put them into a slumber so they felt no pain. Elune isn't a super, super god.. it's not her place to intervene in mortal affairs.
@@remyhadley6595 Sylvanas told Tyrande"Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" so Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld
Ata fakheri i always thought she meant the Night warrior powers as a bargain between Tyrande and elune
Elune: *dog in a burning house sipping coffee* This is fine.
@@atafakheri8659 I think that is more along the lines of the embers being Elune's wrath, and the bargain being that Tyrande is channelling immense power to be the Night Warrior.
You assume Elune can act freely in the shadowlands. From what I understand, she acts in the living world, and her sister deals with the realm of death
Elune is the God of Death , i repeat for the 100x time.
@@hellraiser5466 I think Elune is in the Phanteon of Life
The first time we went into shadowlands, the winter queen didnt even know about the arbiter so what are u on about
@@hellraiser5466 the primus seems to disagree.
@@BrandASDGamings Yeah...that makes the writing of this expansion even more stupid...
I'm excited for Tyrande to stop hunting Sylvanas for vengeance for the tree and start hunting Elune for vengeance for the tree.
Sounds dumb, but hey, we all know Sylvie will be innocent at the end.
@@diegochatard-caraballo5848 What bugs me is she was innocent (relatively) to start with. Then the writers went out of their way to make Sylvanas look as bad as they could, and now they're backtracking. Like, remember when they told us, 15 years after the fact, that "Yeah Wrathgate *was* Sylvanas actually"?
Malfurion: "Hey, Tyrande. Could you maybe switch to Elune for our next sexy time?"
Tyrande: "What?"
Malfurion: "What?"
The moment I heard Nobble laugh, I knew WoW's story is beyond repair. xD
Night Elves : My favored children .
Taurens Everywhere : Bruh , wtf ????
But Taurens worship the mother earth, not Elune? unless it's the same thing
@@mothgoth0 They worship the Earthmother, the Sun, and the Moon (forget their names for the Tauren) but their moon goddess is thought to be Elune
Wait... Do the Tauren worship the slumbering world soul? I never thought of that until now
@@__Insanity_ ohh ok, thanks for clarifying
favored, not favorite. I recommend a dictionary
Yeah it seem to be that the realms really have no idea what is going on with each other seeing as even the Kirin in the shadow realm had no idea the lich king was a thing going on. It's odd to think these godly beings can't see what is happening between realms but that seems to be the case on both ends.
I would be so pissed to get to the after life, only to find out that not even the gods have their shit together. Like, c'mon! They've existed for millennia and yet there are mortal born toddlers more emotionally/intellectually aware than these so called, "Gods."
That’s just blizzard writing where everyone is dumb
If they could see the living world, why would they need Odins eye?
@@braidend4379 That's the jailer that took it not the covenants, pretty sure the jailer used the lich king/sylvanes to see into the real world. Now that I think of it shouldn't the kirin know wtf is going on on azeroph since they have to go back and forth to retreave souls?
This is why my Night elf joined the venthir.
Don’t let this fool you. I still don’t know why Bwonsamdi and Queen Talanji are no longer a storyline.
I think 2 things: 1. Elune is the sister of life therefore she can't see what's going on with her sister of death, and 2. Elune only can speak through a living soul. That's my take from this.
"Why did you send the souls to the shadowlands "
"Cause you needed them"
"Why did we need them?"
"Cause there was a drought and you weren't getting any souls"
"THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU SEND THEM TO THE SHADOWLANDS"
Everyone seems to be forgetting that even the denizens of the SL didnt even know that the souls were going into the Maw besides the attendants of the Arbiter. They all just thought that more souls werent coming When Kleia goes to Oribos for the first time she is shocked. And the attendants just saw it as part of the Purpose's plan
Soem people in the Shadowlands still have memories of how living was like. At the very least those should have known that a drought of death is very implausible.
Point is that much pain could have been avoided with better communication.
Jailer: You can't stop me
Elune: I know, but he can.
Bwonsamdi: Hey mon, it's Bwonsamdi!
Ohoo, another storyline driven into the ground. What exactly was the purpose of the 2 year long Night Warrior storyline? To tell Tyrande that her goddess gives 0 fucks about NElves? Tyrande Night Warrior achieved nothing, she just spent a few months cutting down the Jailer's forces in the Maw, so basically she did what the Maw walkers have been doing.
For collecting more anima xDDD
@@hellraiser5466 Stygia*
Nobbel what I am understanding from this cinematic is that Elune did not cause the events at Teldrassil or allow it to happen, but since it did happen she "earmarked the souls to go to Ardenweald" much like she sent Yesara to Ardenweald, thus the in the wake of tragedy wording. Elune however clearly was unaware that all the souls were being sent to the Maw at that time.
But she didn’t send Ysera to Ardenweald - Ysera was so attended to the cycle so says the Shadowlands new lore book.
Sylvanas told Tyrande"Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" so Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld
@@jaybrooks4980 that could be true too, But blizzard has tried to say that the light is not that morally good, for example, the rejection of gift cinematic from legion.
if it was the case that elune sacrificed those night elves to save the shadowland it would show that the light is just as pragmatic as the void, which honestly would make a better story
and NE players keep getting shit on... and i know im like free from feeling veeery upset when i gave up on wow is like i broke a spell
This is not my lore.
you are freeeeee
I did this quest with my night elf druid today, and here are my thoughts: I don't think Elune just let the night elves die. She tried to make the best out of a terrible tragedy and help her sister, unaware that the Arbiter was broken. It seems the other cosmic forces are unaware what's going on in the Shadowlands, including the Eternal Ones (except Denathrius) prior to our arrival. Only Bwonsamdi knew what was going on, and he used this knowledge to save the trolls that died during the war, and hide them from Mueh'zala and the Jailer.
We can debate whether Elune could or couldn't have saved the night elves, but it seems to me her powers are limited outside her own realm. We still don't know why she denied Tyrande her vengeance, but given how Tyrande's rage almost destroyed the grove during this quest, we can assume her blowing up herself to take down Sylvanas could have destroyed Ardenweald in the process, and that's clearly not what Elune wants. At least she helped restore Ardenweald, which gave us a new sigil we're going to need for the Primus' backup plan.
These are my thoughts of course, and I hope I'm right. The night elves have suffered enough for the past two expansions, and the last thing they need is Steve Danuser pulling some nihilistic crap about the gods being dicks, just to please a couple of tinfoil hats on UA-cam, and make Sylvanas look more noble than she really is. I get the idea that vengeance is bad, but I hope Sylvanas' restored soul will allow her to actually feel remorse for her actions, and try to set things right. Only then will the Kaldorei have justice, and we can leave this tragedy behind.
Elune sent the souls from the burning to save Ardenweald so they could aide in rebirth. She "allowed" them to be killed believing they would be reborn in Ardenweald and would supply Ardenweald with Anima. She didn't know the Engine was broken and when she tried to send them all to Ardenweald, they instead went to the MAW.
We should stop assuming she COULD save them. Her power is not absolute. It may well have been out of her ability to stop.
She was able to create a shield that literally stopped a Burning legion general and the *strongest mage in the lore* from piercing it. She could have put out a fucking fire.
@@tommenno She also didnt stop Archimonde almost destroying Nodrassil, so what about it?
@@nicolasritzke1042 I mean...a standard fire seems like something she could stop if she wanted
So Jaina was able to shoot frozen orbs able to freeze plague out of her huge flying ship, but somehow Elune would not be able to protect a big tree from catapults or douse the fires? Or even empower her children during the Darkshore invasion at least so much for them to be able to push back the Horde? Hmm. What a goddess she is.
@@edykedy5800 Again you are making assumptions. We do not know the workings of her power over the mortal plane.
She may well have had no choice in the matter. And instead did what she could to help her sister.
Elune: I’ll send you to the Shadowlands my fav children. It’ll all be fine COPIUM
13:53 Just about fell out of my chair laughing.
I totally get why the Undead night elves were so pissed after being brought back now, if that's truly what is being implied here.
So this is the impression that I’m getting:
Elune: “burn, my favored children! Die, so your souls can fuel my sister!”
Night elf souls after entering the maw: “this is not the peaceful afterlife Elune promised us! Elune abandoned us! We’d rather become dark rangers and serve Sylvanas.”
XDDD
I understood it that way that Nightelves go to a seperate realm when they die. The realm of Elune, but instead of taking their Souls to her realm she sended them to her sister instead.
so Elune COULD have helped but didn’t so the Night Elves would die and go to The Shadow Lands for Anima that’s fucked up lol.
ALSO Remember when the Kyrians were just shepherding souls into the the Shadow Lands EVEN when they see the souls are going into the Maw and Non of the Covenant Leaders Said “hey we should stop that”… Bwonsamdi is the only Competent “God” lol
Nothing her says she could have prevented the attack on the tree.
@@MikeTall88 yeah I get that but she’s literally a GOD even the Winter Queen (Elunes Sister) helped out clear trash from her realm
whoever said that once they give some of their anima they die? literally several characters do that in the ardenweald questlines. they get to choose an animal body and donate some anima.
@@caydenhoward273 Lmao well they ARE already dead but yeah they were sent there for the Anima that’s what I said
@@jhin4k29 giving up some of your anima doesnt mean you cease to exist.
Yes! I've been saying this ever since I met him! Worship Bwonsamdi!! He deserves our love!
My thoughts on the confusing wording "In the wake of tragedy, I sent forth a cascade of souls to sustain you (referring to the Winter Queen)" :
1) If the Tragedy = Burning of Teldrassil event .. then why was she sending souls to "sustain Ardenweald or the Winter Queen"
2) If the Tragedy = Anima shortages across the Shadowlands .. then it almost sounded as if she used the Burning of Teldrassil to send souls to "sustain Ardenweald"
Odd phrasing for sure ..
Sylvanas told Tyrande"Bask in the dying embers of your goddesses bargain" so Elune made a bargain to sacrifice Teldrasil and save Ardenweld
@@atafakheri8659 I think she refered to the bargain between Tyrande and Elune (Become the Night Warrior in exchange for her life)
@@bisalissy3846 that could be true too, But blizzard has tried to say that the light is not that morally good, for example, the rejection of gift cinematic from legion.
if it was the case that elune sacrificed those night elves to save the shadowland it would show that the light is just as pragmatic as the void, which honestly would make a better story
True
That's why Sylvanas wanted to kill Winter Queen , she knew something that Elune didnt. It's easy to see evil in the evil , it's harder to see evil in the good . Winter biatch.
Hey Nobbel
Are we sure that Elune have a 20 20 vision inside the sadowland?
Since it is not her domain hence why she has a sister there. Maybe she can't see what is going on inside the shadowland and can only react from what her sister is informing her about?
LoL u think maybe Winter Queen is getting banged by her sister husband behind her back? Omg xDDD now this is good.
I'm sorry but they really did Elune dirty. Unacceptable.
U wish she could be good , or u think she is good . Yet we know nothing about how she is . She is God of Death . From this cinematic u have to learn that even God's do mistakes.
“Vengeance or renewal” how about both? Both are long overdue
elune wanted to turn her followers into anima soup to help her sister's realm
Yeah because every npc we saw there is anima soup and not living a happy afterlife with his partner... I don't know... As a unicorn.? Call me crazy
Elune grabs dragons and makes new stars with them. This reveal makes Elune seem either aloof or stupid. Not digging this Elune reveal at allll.
Completely different realms. How would she know? Sargeras and the Titans who are the patheon of order also knew nothing. Nor have the naaru said anything. Its constantly been insinuated that her and the wq connection has been broken for untold millennia
@@elreytriton Then how did Sylvanas know that Elune would do this? If Elune knew, or decided to not do anything, Sylvanas would just have thousands of whisps on her hands.
@@elreytriton then how did the winter queen/elune know they had a sister? how come a loa knows so much more then an another god? How did Elune know there was help needed in Ardenweald? Let's not create excuses for such a lame story and reason
@@diegodevitti2105 you mean the loa whos boss was directly working for the jailer for who knows how many years? yeah idk how you'd get inside information out of that situation. and how did they know they had a sister? if you have a sibling and at one point you have a fight and they go to another country and you never speak again, do you forget you have a sibling? And elune said she heard her sisters cry for help, hearing something doesnt mean you can answer, do you think empire strikes back sucks because luke suddenly knows somethings up with his friends? sry man but those arent excuses but something you can come up with if you think about it for 5 mins without the whole "story sucks lol sylvANUS" attitude
@@nirodi3012 Bwonsamdi just sensed something wrong didn't actually know mueh'zala betrayed him and allied with the jailer, he just saved some of the zandalari, mostly his followers or with who he had a deal. Then you're saying that the winter queen was in the "alive world" or Elune in the "shadowlands"? "elune said she heard her sisters cry for help, hearing something doesnt mean you can answer" still makes no sense that she can "hear her" and no hear is not = to answering, so don't know what point you wanted to make. Your points make no sense at all to me. i Actually read every book and so on (except for adventurers of azeroth) so i'm, or better said, was fan of the lore. Since bfa it's just disappointment after disappointment. The teldrassil burn could have been so cool, but the way they made Sylvanas do it was patetic. Even cause initially in "before the storm" teldrassil was needed to then conquer Stormwind and create more Forsaken and a city for them to live and "prosperate" (for what is prosperate in a Forsaken way). But every cool character just got dumbed down extremely, and so many stupid and boring retcons of past lore.
Wtf I didn’t know this was released
I mean, this sounds like it's a matter of whether Elune could have done more, and decided to do just this, or whether this was the greatest extent she could have possibly intervened. When Teldrassil was burning, did Elune look at her spellbook and said "I can cast Tranquility but I will cast Mass Soothe instead, because I need to send some souls to help Winter Queen" or did she think "I am sorry my dear children I do not have enough mana, this is all I can do, but at least your afterlife will be a fairy garden"
Holy... I think Elune just beat Sylvannas levels of stupidity... She literary condemned thousands of innocent lives (not warriors, but literal women and children) to Ardenweld to aid the Winter Queen... The fact that she allowed her most loyal of worshippers to be slaughter so they could soldiers in the after life in itself is stupid... The fact that she didn’t know that all souls went to the Maw, is worse.
It makes it even worse when you realize that she can send souls like Ysera directly to Ardebweld, but instead she just ship them in a box.
Good lord man Shadowlands story/lord is getting stupider by the second!
It makes WoD story look good
Nothing states she allowed them to be slaughtered, nothing states that she had the power to prevent it.
@@MikeTall88
But nothing stop her from keeping up with her Sister in Ardenweld. The Winter Queen could have kept her up to date and when found out about all souls going to the Maw, maybe create a sort of back door entrance for souls and Anima via the Emerald Dream (considering that realm and Ardenweld are much better connected it would only take a concentrated effort on both sides to create a gate directly to Ardenweld).
Also like I said she can send souls directly to Ardenweld, and this time she simply allowed them to go through the “natural” process. Worst is that she could just ask “Hey dear sister, did you get the souls I sent you?”
so its stupid of her to help her sister and they get to be reborn instead of being wisps? no ur the stupid one
Return to Bwonsamdi, indeed!
If you even left Bwonsamdi for Elune in the first place you made a mistake!
tbf when we entered the shadowlands. no one of the covanent leaders knew that the souls were going to the Maw. we had to tell them. so why/how would elune have known?
Didn't bastion know? Since it is them that bring the souls to the arbiter. And i think there is a covenant quest you do with Kleia that reveals that souls go to the maw.
It's almost like they are ALL poorly written idiots...
@@TheKGiannis you just saved my comment lol. Yes when we arrive there they did not know. They knew becouse of us. Later the know as you mentioned in a covenant quest. What is like w years after the burning of the tree. So yeah at the time they did not know.
Plot holes aside. Artistically, the combination of visuals and the music is just perfect
Hope you’re keeping well over all the stuff going on Nobbel
I took it as " after the burning of teldrassil instead of letting them go to their afterlives i tried to send them to you specifically" and then her sister is like " elune....all souls regardless of which realm are being sent to the maw , did you not pay attention in 9.0 at all" elune : "oops maybe i should've watched nobbel first before i sent them through UPS" then again idk
what the heck were the writers on when they wrote this?
I can see now why some night elfs chose to worship Azshara : )
lmao this plot. You can truly tell they have been winging it for a while.
pretty much since the end of Legion
@@JamailvanWestering Legion was pretty much the gold standard for a "modern" expac - in my opinion at least. Everything from the order halls / covenant system to the resource gathering via WQ wasn't a slog or a bore to do.
6:24 I think she means she didn't save them when she had the power to because she thought they would go to her sister.
this is confusing ..so your telling me Elune managed to "whisper" sylvanis and say "hey i need you to be Evil and burn the great tree in order to save the machine of death" and Sylvanis agreed to it ..but didnt sylvanis wanna distroy the machine of death for the jailor?! ..
i'm so glad i quit wow i cant even tell whats up or down anymore
3:00 that‘s what we in the business call: a big oof
Elune is a God of Life... Not of Death... It makes sense in the way that she doesn't know much about the happenings of the Afterlife, but only of the renewal cycle of ardenweld. (Apologies for botching the name)
When she says the sigil of death and life once again
Elune didn't know Death was broken & sent her favored children into death believing they would one day return to life as that is what Aredenweald is supposed to do. But since the Machine of Death was broken when that happened all the souls went to the Maw instead of Ardenweald.
ahhh his voice is lovely
Nobbel's voice, yes 😻
Finally we hear Elune’s voice, finally we see something!
So. In short. They're going to completely absolve Sylvanas through the actions of others.
Jesus....
Nah, that’s just ridiculous.
I hope not, remember the ranger general are not that good person to begin, and after the story of how she see arthas after her second dead i still think we maybe will have both of villains return and act to piss of The Jailer Plan! In fact i really want know whre are Arthas fragments, after all if we really see he maybe have his soul break in three: The Prince who are eat by Frostmourne, His Heart Matthias and the First Death Knight of Scourge, the one Uther make "justice".
I see what blizzard is doing. They made this cinematic confusing on purpose, in order to keep us busy for a month trying to figure what’s going on in this cinematic, while they deal with their lawsuit issues. Clever 😈
Sylvanas is really helping Elune?
I have a feeling that Sylvanas was not necessarily guided by Elune, but that Elune saw what was happening as an opportunity to attempt to help Ardenweald while unwittingly helping the Jailor instead.
But why elune stopped tyrande from killing sylvanas in the 9.1 cinematic?
@@sog9144 - Because it's convenient for the writers.
I think that when Sylvannas burned the Great Tree, Elune sent the souls to Ardenweald for solace. Not to feed Ardenweald. She didn't realize that Shadowlands isn't working as intended and the souls went into the Maw.
I don’t know What to think about wow’s story anymore….. idk something just feels…..Off….
yeah, cause idiots are writing it, it's like they get stoned and they're like: "we need to write something, but we have to be PC, woke and all that shit"
bring back metzen, make azeroth great again
@@alenspikic4523 I think you’re right!
It’s because the writers think “What would look cool” instead of “What would make the story better”, the rest is just trying to connect the dots.
I believe these events they're talking about are events from WC3 and BfA, in WC3 night elves were devastated with close victory as their original grand tree got destroyed, killing the demon with a mass of souls that were originally meant to be sent to Ardenweald. This caused a massive drought in Ardenweald that stood by for a long time.
Elune knew this was happening, and she had another tree to be put up to attempt to repair the drought in Ardenweald, but it got burned instead of having souls used up on a large being. Her last result was to send the souls that were still in tree to Ardenweald, but this likely happened after the events when Arbiter was knocked out cold and all souls were being delivered to the Maw.
You would expect Elune to know a lot more, but this makes me question her... Is she lying of her lack of knowledge?
Only 5:13 in, we see an actual tear of Elune and then it's made into a "tear of Elune", is it just a batteri they filled with the nightwarrior energy they drained from Tyrande?
I didn't expect "Shocked Pikachu Face" being something to describe Elune of all things. But here we are.
I thought we were going to see Bwonsamdi in this cinematic lmao, it was cool but I'm disappointed we didn't see our homie
It's like Blizzard shredded a script and shot it out of a confetti cannon towards a sticky wall and has been making the story up by taking tidbits here and there.
ahahahaha great creative process