@@neoikake well I cant help if you dont see the bigger picture. The only thing I struggle to understand is how he found out about what is to come when he was the arconn.
@@christermagnusson8526 1. You don´t see the bigger picture either because that would require Blizzard to know the bigger picture themselves which they really do not if you actually would take the time to look at the available "bigger picture"...patch after patch after patch they retcon more of the existing lore AND the lore they themselves just wrote. So yeah nobody sees any "bigger picture" in WoW. 2. There´s still not a single sane reason for what he did. There´s a big dangerous threat coming? Then why in the fuck would you not use your influence as arbiter OR after the fall if nobody wanted to listen the Nathrezim to point at that threat? NO...instead he uses the Nathrezim to sow lies and turn Titan against Titan and Titans agains Voidlords and Voidlords against literally everyone. WHY...why would you not point at this outer threat instead if everyone is seemingly so easily to turn against something evil? 0 freaking sense in this writing.
@@chaotic509 have you heard final fantasy washed almost all its lore down the drain in the last 2 zones and just made a jailer character? But its an emo bird girl?
@@jesperjohansson9857 You know the worst part about this? Said emo birdgirl is somehow still a better written villain than Zovaal, and that's just sad.
Sylvanas: "Arthas made me who I am. I hate him." - Jailer: "I made Arthas. Wanna join me?" - Sylvanas: "Sure!" *"LOLWUT?????"* THAT is Battle for Azeroth and Shadowlands in a nutshell, I completely agree. Such a shame.
They had an opportunity with something like "Forsaken automatically go to the Maw because the current cycle of life and death automatically assumes they are irredeemable" as her motive, because even if she hates the Jailer she needs him to save her people. They even could have mixed it in with Legion saying after Genn broke the lantern thing, only then did she decide to go along with the Jailer despite him offering her the "job" at the end of WotLK and installing her as the Warchief at the start of Legion. It'd need some decent writing, but it could have made Sylvanas conflicted character who exhausted every option to save the Forsaken before agreeing to help the Jailer. I mean, it's actually super easy to come up with that story, but they clearly went a different way of not explaining it at all. ;)
@@andrewshandle The warcraft universe often has interconnecting unresolved plots so yeah it is pretty fucking easy to come up with good storytelling that conncludes some of the many unresolved plots. They just chose not to do that with shadowlands
@@Porkey798 calling sylvs story an “ interconnecting unresolved plot “ is funny. Her plot got completely changed. Her character destroyed, and her old plot threads just don’t exist anymore.
I still remember when Sargeras was the final villain of Warcraft and I always thought that if he ever showed up it will be in the final expansion of WoW. Curiously he is dealt in Legion and afterwards the lore has been so awful that it does seems that it all ended in Legion…
They messed up tbh. Even the lore in legion was dodgy tbh because of the building in draenor. Just made a lot of wrong creative decisions unfortunately
@@lolwhatidk we didnt even kill sargeras, sargeras was jailed up in that titan place with the help of the remaining titan echo and Illidan becoming his jailor.
Actually, you guys dont understand. Zoval was trying to unmake reality to prevent 10.0 from coming. But by killing him, we will now come face to face with 10.0
10.0 is going to be unbelievably bad. Just check out the leaks this far. Its basically the same stuff that we came to know and hate. Damn iam full of positivity those days arent i? Well its hard to excuse bad systems anymore, but do not worry my dear lads becauuuuuuuseeeee DRAGONS!!!! 😂😂😂
I still think that somewhere around mists of pandera, the void lords got so powerful that they entered into our world, infected the blizzard staff with whispers and eventually brought activision on board, in part of their plans for domination of the world outside of the one in warcraft. They are going to use our world to hop universes and spread their corruptive influence. And this is actually why the world is going insane right now and everything is going to shit and completely chaotic and all the people who used to stand for good are actually the ones being pawns played to spread to most evil. Really when you think about it, its the only plot that makes sense.
I remember how incredibly awesome it felt to learn about the Old Gods and the Burning Legion when I first encountered Nobbel's videos back in MOP while trying to understand more of the lore. It was so fucking good and enhanced my immersion in the game so much. Seeing him being so frustrated makes me sad and realize that they truly managed to fuck up everything... permanently.
When the foundation of your lore/story has so many "For some reason's" in it, then you know this isn't going to end well. I feel your pain. It feels like you're trying to piece together a jigsaw puzzle and someone keeps switching out the pieces.
You could at least ignore shadowlands. Arthas storyline was finished, the burning crusade was finished. Sure it was retconned, but eh. Who cares rly about the jailer or whatever. But man. Azhara and N'Zoth didn't deserve BFA. They had do much potential. So much story left too tell. But nope. Gotta get 1 patch where we fire our Azeroth mega beam at the last old god known for trickery and scheming. Oh well, he's dead. Here's your loot, you happy now?... Man, WoW just makes me sad now...
It’s really amusing listening to Nobbel , who is very calm and collected in his lore explanations usually, absolutely lose his shit over this colossal train wreck of a plot xD
Imagine building a complicated system with a single point of failure (like the Arbiter was) and the default behavior if it breaks is to have it do the dumbest thing possible, in this case just default to sending every soul to The Maw directly...something that no soul can do directly without stopping in Revendreth first when the system is functioning normally. That's like building an ATM/Bank Machine that if it has a failure it intentionally just starts spitting money out all over the place. How is there not a "purgatory" type holding station for Souls?
FF14: "Endwalker is the conclusion to 10 years of story." > actually concludes the story, with no major plot points left untied. WoW: "9.2 Eternity's End is the conclusion to 20 years of story." > doesn't conclude anything & opens up even more plot holes.
the actual conclusion to warcraft story is Legion. and BFA should’ve instead the start for new adventure. but instead they rushed all the plot point they had just to deliver shadowland
FF14, "no major plot points left untied", I beg your pardon. There's a big gaping hole filled with questions (and compassion) for our "friend" who is currently Schrödinger's cat!
Jailer: Yo Sylvanas make me a Sandwich! Sylvanas: Yes, sir! Jailer: Yo Sylvanas go slap some horde kids around! Sylvanas: Yes, sir! Jailer: Yo Sylvanas massage my feet. Sylvanas: Yes, sir! Jailer: Yo Sylvanas -NSFW MESSAGE- Sylvanas: Yes, sir! Jailer: Yo Sylvanas, now serve me some tea. Sylvanas: WAIT WHAT?!? I WILL NEVER SERVEEEE REEEEEEEEE
If we had at least gotten a high quality cinematic with Sylvanas in a skimpy maid outfit serving the jailer tea out of Shadowlands, I would like the expansion more :/
@@koatam oh you're right, thanks for reminding me of the moral paragons at blizz. They would never sexually objectovy a video game character, we don't even need to speak about real life women
Kil’jeadan, archimonde and sargeras were such good enemies… And The lich king, wow, an amazing character, a hero turned into one of the greatest threats, I started buying books because of wotlk, started caring about lore because of arthas… And now we have this mess… I’m just sad
You mean the people that rage if you don’t play the class that the top100 guilds play? Or the guys that leave after a dungeon run is 2 seconds too long for them? Or the guys that buy boost and when you play with them they play like a monkey? Hm not sure 😂 I played the game from Vanille till BfA but after wotlk just alone without a guild bc everytime you join one it’s just drama and toxic bs
@@NoztrozeR That's been my experience. I mean sure, my guild has always been small, and thankfully, still have friends there, but knowing THE GAME, and not only RL stuff drove them away, makes me sad, esp. when they LOVED it through Legion & played enthusiastically till BfA (though some were OK w/ BfA but totally lost interest after trying SL).
@@SaltareObscurum you must have had bad luck in that case. I made plenty of friends for life from the different guilds i have been in. We still chat and play games together despite nobody plays wow anymore.
@@rasmachris94 Same… But this is what happening in all established famous franchises: From Star Wars to Star Trek, from Marvel to DC, you get the idea.
@@bernardotorres5274 yeah. and it has always happened. people always like the direction popular stuff is going. and years later they say back then it was still good and dislike the stuff _then_ . and the people we liked now is the stuff people back then complained about. etc etc.
by the gods... he really, really, REALLY mad about this conclusion of this expansion and I don't blame him for it. He has based almost his entire YT/TTV career on the study and understanding the lore and history of a fictional universe to realize the absolute truth of things... And that is... The cake is a lie
Only now, but then this current generation is guzzling down mediocre movies and tv shows and saying they're amazing. Like avengers endgame. A solid 6/10 in as far as movies go. Its fun and stuff, its just not great. But you guys all say its the greatest of all time 11/10. When you let something average be 'great' then everything else goes to shit. Like WoW, like star wars, like game of thrones, like comic books, like games, like music lol. It will eventually get good again, but its likely it will take something big enough to wake this idiot generation out of their mediocrity and 'belief' that being woke is an improvement on society and not a regression :D In conclusion, just watch movies, listen to music and play games from the 90's and 20000's and you'll be ok. Cause they were still good then
what i hate is that the save martha moment can still be read as batman going "omg i am killing someone son, i am the thug that would have killed me if my parents didn't jump in front of the robber", in a very poor way, it is very baddly directed and written, but you can take a reading out of it with the whole jailer thing you just have blanks, you have no threats, no reason why he did the things the way he did, we couldn't see his side of the story even if we wanted to (and oh boy, sylvanas loyalist wanted to know the other side of the story), no it is just, nothing, a parasite of a character that was behind so much story and is just a blank of a story beat
I love nobbel still keeping up with the lore and telling us the stories. one of if not my favorite wow content creator for so many years. Keep being awesome!
I really like how when Nobbel starts talking about the First Ones, that graphic in the bottom left makes it look like he just blew out a ton of smoke from some weed. Really sets the stage imo.
About the whole "I will never serve" did by Sylvanas at the end of Sanctum of Domination Seriously: Sylvanas was the lackey (I agree: Sylvanas totally "SERVED") of someone called JAILER, master of DOMINATION magic, and his other lieutenant was a MIND CONTROLLED Anduin. And Sylvanas rebelled just when she listened the world "serve". Writing team, that was not an empowering moment: that's the proof that Sylvanas is DUMB as a brick! I bet that even the lowliest murloc or kobold would've understood that the Jailer was a bad guy, and his plan was to rule
@@Traumglanz I hated her in Warcraft 3 (we played as Arthas and she was quite an annoyance, doing her best to stop our advance). I was glad when Arthas reanimated Sylvanas. Then in TFT I liked her. And during Wrath, after the Wrath Gate and the Battle of Undercity, I hoped that she would become something like a (very, very) dark heroine. Then... She just become a moustache twirling villain :(
I have held, since CATACLYSM, that Sylvanas did NOT return from ICC, but rather something else. She was clearly a different character after Wrath than before. Shadowlands could have been salvaged if we had found her in Ardenweald, and the thing wearing her skin was SABOTAGING the Jailer in secret. It is the Forsaken and the not-Sylvanas breaking the cycle of life and death causing the drought in the Shadowlands.
I fell in love with h this series because there was this massive orc and ogre armada and elven steel allied with dwarven canon along with the unified tribes of Man… something something.
Thank you, Nobbel, he who can explain pretty much any WoW lore, in long, detailed videos, that I'm not crazy or stupid for not understanding (and becoming apathetic) about the damn story. I hate that I can't trust their storytelling (because no one's responsible - SOMEONE BIGGER AND BADDER is controlling everything). I'm glad that I'm not the only one confused. I am dreading that they WILL take this bigger. And bigger. And each time, get farther and farther away from the things we care about.
Nobbel: Kyrestia the Firstborne, the Archon. Video: Shows a picture of the Arbiter. If that doesn't demonstrate how dull Shadowlands' characters are, I don't know what will.
this was cathartic, thanks. 'I will never serve' completely broke me. Gave up on a game I'd played for over a decade because I just couldn't handle the dumb anymore.
Man, I love Nobbel's explanation of WOW Lore. It is my go-to for understanding anything lore related with WOW. So convenient. I often load one of his videos related to a region in WOW that I am currently exploring, as a sort of virtual Tour Guide to that region, while I am there.
For those who genuinely want to know what was up with that part about Elune, here's what happened (based on what we have been told which could be changed at any point regardless of who tells us that info because that's the level of storytelling we're in right now): Elune has the power to prevent night elf souls from going to the Shadowlands, their spirits instead becoming the wisps that are all over night elf areas. When the burning of Teldrassil happened, Elune chose to allow those hundreds of souls to go to the Shadowlands instead of becoming wisps. The reason for that was because Elune has a counterpart in the Shadowlands: The Winter Queen of Ardenweald, who refers to Elune as her "sister." Elune has some connection to the Winter Queen and sensed that she and Ardenweald were growing weaker due to a lack of anima, so she redirected the souls of Teldrassil to the Shadowlands in the hopes of their anima helping her out. However, at the time Elune was unaware of the Arbiter being broken and all souls automatically being sent to the Maw, but she has no power over the souls once they've entered the Shadowlands, so she could do nothing but hope that the Winter Queen could take care of whatever was going on.
I was half paying attention when the kitty cat started placing the forces on the board. Did a double take, like, "Did that say Trap!?" Then rewound and lost my shit at the Spell and Trap card icons.
The freeing of Anduin cut scene is an anomaly in the Shadowlands story line. All spirits go to the Shadowlands to sent to their proper destination, yet Varok and Varian are outside the Shadowlands to manfest and undue the Jailers control of Anduin.
It's almost like the people making WoW now don't know what they're doing. I think Final Boss will be Bobby Kotick who then tells us he was controlled by Asmongold all along.
Never played WoW, only knew that "the story is bad, lol" from bits and pieces of complaining I've heard on the internet. This was a great summation and gave me a lot of background, so now I feel confident in saying "Jeez, that story is fucking terrible." Thank you @Nobbel for doing such a service for interested bystanders like me.
Warcraft Story at the beginning was not bad at all tbf! its just that the gameplay was more important than the story at some point and since not alot of people cared about the story to begin with there was no point in making it a masterpiece i loved wow lore back than but it really turned to shit and i can only imagine that is not just the people writing the story that is also just the way the game was handled in generall. if your interested in warcraft lore i can only say Warcraft 1-3 storys are amazing and i bet novel has alot of videos of the old story on his mainchannel :D
@@99range92def their not making excuses. Before bfa, we've never had a time where have hair tearing bs garbage story plots. There were certainly questionable decisions, no doubt about that, but never this hideous. The past two expansions and moreso the current one, they've ripped apart and destroyed previously established lore for this bs in the current expansion. Nobbel hit it right on the head. This is on a level of bad that can't even be brushed aside.
The story of the Shadowlands is "Drink more Ovaltine". Honestly, I'm amazed how many people have been blindsided by this, as if it hasn't been headed this way for years. It's like Blizzard has a bunch of 12 year olds writing the story.
I don't i thought that story in MOP was cool because it was continuation of everything that happend before like a build UP to garosh being warmonger we saw that in wotlk we saw it in cata etc... but ever since WOD and that timetraveling disaster it was garbage like legion was good because it was basically warcraft 3 lore explained to detail and why things happend and who are these titans etc but BFA overall story no sence Shadowlands is another disaster They should fire people who do this because it is damanging the brand
@@lukeluckynblue1873 Legion had a lot of story elements I didn't like, but the story telling and (albeit cheesy) character interactions were pretty solid.
@@someguyfromtheinternet5158 It's not that... it's that it's teh same damn iteration almost every time. Big bad is just a segway into an even BIGGER Bad. but the next biggest bad is just working to deal with an even *biggester* baddererer bad that is really even WORSE! But the real terrible thing is taking the old lore/story and trying to graft it into the current thing with no real set up or payoff.
Didn't they made it clear that when sylvanas threw herself from the top of the icc and she died and went to "afterlife" she was scared shitless by that place and that's why she joined the jailer in order to overthrow the life and death cycle? also after she failed to capture that valkyr's lamp in legion and she couldn't become immortal to avoid dealing with the jailer, i think that's the point where she started to go along with the plan cause she had no second plans to avoid going again to the place that scared her shitless.
Literally, I can feel this story was made in the last 5 minutes before the due date; just so bare minimum so that the professor doesn’t get mad at you.
Actually, this is the real hidden plot behind everything: SL is the expac where wow suffers their worst down, a death themed expac helps kill the game, and the Jailer is the main mascot of this all, hence why he's written in as the representative for every major lore event and character, and then killed at the end of the last patch with no elaboration.
I used to come to Nobble for lore... but after all this years and watching your content, even tho I burned my bridges with WoW and Blizzard after SW2 finale and now this shit... now I came here to support him in this dark times! ❤ still love you m8! Keep your head up and Godspeed 😁
Hearing all this makes me want to delve back into when the lore of Wow was good. I would love to see a series of videos detailing the entirety of events wirhin the War of the Ancients. Including the New things unvealed within Legion. We really need a fresh splash of good lore to reinvigorate us after being beaten down with this mess.
"Jailer did it!" Jailer is a retelling of Sargeras, except Sargeras was actually based on the Jailer. *rolls eyes Dreadlords serve the Legion, but actually serve the void, but actually serve the Jailer. "Here's a cosmology illustration of how the universe is balanced." Except Light and Void are the strongest. But actually Life and Death are more important. And the First Ones decided that death is the bottom/foundation of all creation, so they get the keys. Arthus was corrupted by the dreadlords, who worked for the Jailer, who had a Mourne™ blade made to control him along with the Helm of Domination. Arthus kills a fuck ton of people. Sylvanas was one of those people and was controlled by Arthus directly. A neat way for the writers to allude to abuse, I wonder where they'll take that. Fast forward 15+ years of writing, Sylvanas learns nothing and becomes the abuser, but it's ok, she's a woman and she didn't mean to and totally, actually, learned a lesson. Tyrande becomes empowered with her god's power, to take vengeance and right the wrongs done to her people, but doesn't actually do anything.
@@Exorion1er I see it more as his last attempt. There was a quest where we use our artifact weapons together to remove it. Unfortunately, Blizz had to remove it cause "reasons". Nonetheless, still a better ending than the next 2 expansions.
If there was somebody that could make this ef up story somewhat interesting is Nobbel! I miss the lore vids, but it's understandable how difficult it is with the pile o dung he was given to work with.
Blizzard: "let's center the whole story around Sylvanas from now on". Also Blizzard "let's make her a total idiot and a terrible leader with nonsensical motivations and hey just for fun how about a touch of genocide". Brilliant!
They made it all about one character, Sylvannas. They have so much existing characters to add or create lore with but it seems some higher up within the staff was into drama shows. . I feel that the "Shadowlands Lore" did the most damage.
Good grief. I thought I must have been missing something. I thought there must have been some missing quest chain that tied this story together. But Nobel knows everything about this lore, and even he can confirm that the plot is just...missing some parts. How could Blizzard make such an elaborate expansion, that looks so magnificent, and not have it make sense?
Actually, I would have loved if that "thing" was us. If the universe was created to be in balance, we (as player characters) are in business in effing things up. We kill titans, we kill old gods, we come to shadowlands and turn it upside down. Thanks to us the Shadowlands will never be as they were intended (plus we let the devourers everywhere). Like if there was a semblance of balance we are the biggest threat ever to exist.
![The Story of The Jailer aka Zovaal [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3gkKLfywZBI/mqdefault.jpg)
The greatest tragedy of modern WoW storytelling is Nobbel losing his love for the lore. :(
It's his videos that kept me playing so long. I just un-subbed tonight.
How true it is. It heart breaking.
It hurts... It hurts
And time travel… just took all urgency away for me when they’re like “ohmagawd! It’s gul’dan! Let’s use him for legion too!”
wdym
“A cosmos divided cannot survive what is to come”
Proceeds to divide the cosmos.
Actually tried to unify the universe under him by spreading the domination magic throu all the Zerets.
@@christermagnusson8526 and by reduicing the power of all factions and pitching them agains other with dread lords. yes unification.
@@neoikake well I cant help if you dont see the bigger picture. The only thing I struggle to understand is how he found out about what is to come when he was the arconn.
@@christermagnusson8526
1. You don´t see the bigger picture either because that would require Blizzard to know the bigger picture themselves which they really do not if you actually would take the time to look at the available "bigger picture"...patch after patch after patch they retcon more of the existing lore AND the lore they themselves just wrote. So yeah nobody sees any "bigger picture" in WoW.
2. There´s still not a single sane reason for what he did. There´s a big dangerous threat coming? Then why in the fuck would you not use your influence as arbiter OR after the fall if nobody wanted to listen the Nathrezim to point at that threat? NO...instead he uses the Nathrezim to sow lies and turn Titan against Titan and Titans agains Voidlords and Voidlords against literally everyone. WHY...why would you not point at this outer threat instead if everyone is seemingly so easily to turn against something evil? 0 freaking sense in this writing.
Thanos basically
As an old viewer, after all those years watching his videos, this one hits like a truck. It’s really sad. They really killed our passion for the game.
This is exactly how I felt. I don't play WoW anymore but I've always come here for the Lore. This hit me...
have you heard about final fantasy and award winning heavensward expansion? XD
@@chaotic509 have you heard final fantasy washed almost all its lore down the drain in the last 2 zones and just made a jailer character? But its an emo bird girl?
@@jesperjohansson9857 You know the worst part about this? Said emo birdgirl is somehow still a better written villain than Zovaal, and that's just sad.
Players: you cannot kill hope
Blizzard: can't i?
Sylvanas: "Arthas made me who I am. I hate him." - Jailer: "I made Arthas. Wanna join me?" - Sylvanas: "Sure!"
*"LOLWUT?????"* THAT is Battle for Azeroth and Shadowlands in a nutshell, I completely agree. Such a shame.
They had an opportunity with something like "Forsaken automatically go to the Maw because the current cycle of life and death automatically assumes they are irredeemable" as her motive, because even if she hates the Jailer she needs him to save her people. They even could have mixed it in with Legion saying after Genn broke the lantern thing, only then did she decide to go along with the Jailer despite him offering her the "job" at the end of WotLK and installing her as the Warchief at the start of Legion.
It'd need some decent writing, but it could have made Sylvanas conflicted character who exhausted every option to save the Forsaken before agreeing to help the Jailer. I mean, it's actually super easy to come up with that story, but they clearly went a different way of not explaining it at all. ;)
@@andrewshandle the vast majority of people wouldn't accept Sylvanas as anything but a selfish bitch only out for herself.
I think her goal was to actually to just die lol
@@andrewshandle The warcraft universe often has interconnecting unresolved plots so yeah it is pretty fucking easy to come up with good storytelling that conncludes some of the many unresolved plots. They just chose not to do that with shadowlands
@@Porkey798 calling sylvs story an “ interconnecting unresolved plot “ is funny.
Her plot got completely changed. Her character destroyed, and her old plot threads just don’t exist anymore.
I still remember when Sargeras was the final villain of Warcraft and I always thought that if he ever showed up it will be in the final expansion of WoW. Curiously he is dealt in Legion and afterwards the lore has been so awful that it does seems that it all ended in Legion…
everything after legion is fanfiction. the game ended when we killed sargeras.
They messed up tbh. Even the lore in legion was dodgy tbh because of the building in draenor. Just made a lot of wrong creative decisions unfortunately
@@Razorblade510 Legion was good over all
@@Razorblade510 Legion was good over all
@@lolwhatidk we didnt even kill sargeras, sargeras was jailed up in that titan place with the help of the remaining titan echo and Illidan becoming his jailor.
I thought Nobbel had lost his mind and was talking gibberish! Then I realized he was just reading the story of WOW. 😀
Yes… I think some safety switch burned through… But that is not surprising at all, given the circumstances.
the story of BFA and SL*
As someone who actually hasn't played Shadowlands and was confused this was unironically helpful.
"I've come too far, FUCK IT!" Jesus, I feel that in MY bones. This summary is perfect and such a painful reminder that the WoW loreship is in flames.
Don't you mean the dojo? The dojo is on fire.
Actually, you guys dont understand. Zoval was trying to unmake reality to prevent 10.0 from coming. But by killing him, we will now come face to face with 10.0
Is 10.0 a Sad Birdgirl?
So in the end, Evil won.
10.0 is going to be unbelievably bad. Just check out the leaks this far. Its basically the same stuff that we came to know and hate. Damn iam full of positivity those days arent i? Well its hard to excuse bad systems anymore, but do not worry my dear lads becauuuuuuuseeeee DRAGONS!!!! 😂😂😂
I still think that somewhere around mists of pandera, the void lords got so powerful that they entered into our world, infected the blizzard staff with whispers and eventually brought activision on board, in part of their plans for domination of the world outside of the one in warcraft. They are going to use our world to hop universes and spread their corruptive influence. And this is actually why the world is going insane right now and everything is going to shit and completely chaotic and all the people who used to stand for good are actually the ones being pawns played to spread to most evil.
Really when you think about it, its the only plot that makes sense.
Wouldn't it be awesome if it was so bad that all players just refused to complete the raid? Then no more 10.0 :)
This video is, hands down, the only good thing about the last two expansions. Whoever edited the memes deserves a medal.
I remember how incredibly awesome it felt to learn about the Old Gods and the Burning Legion when I first encountered Nobbel's videos back in MOP while trying to understand more of the lore. It was so fucking good and enhanced my immersion in the game so much. Seeing him being so frustrated makes me sad and realize that they truly managed to fuck up everything... permanently.
"My wife cheating was the Jailor's fault" got a hearty chuckle out of me
oh my god when he starts the "hello everyone." Nobbel is an icon
When the foundation of your lore/story has so many "For some reason's" in it, then you know this isn't going to end well. I feel your pain. It feels like you're trying to piece together a jigsaw puzzle and someone keeps switching out the pieces.
and when you finally piece them together you uncover something that's aggressively mediocre.
It's the same energy as "Somehow Palpatine has returned."
It went from "This break my heart"
to "I'm laughing at this sht show"
as a former Warcraft lore fan
BoA and Shadowland is just.... sad
The sad thing is, shadowlands actually had potential at first
@@jslaughter95 AGREE,
love the return characters
but hate everything about Jailer masterplan
You could at least ignore shadowlands. Arthas storyline was finished, the burning crusade was finished. Sure it was retconned, but eh. Who cares rly about the jailer or whatever. But man. Azhara and N'Zoth didn't deserve BFA. They had do much potential. So much story left too tell. But nope. Gotta get 1 patch where we fire our Azeroth mega beam at the last old god known for trickery and scheming. Oh well, he's dead. Here's your loot, you happy now?... Man, WoW just makes me sad now...
bfa was good
It’s really amusing listening to Nobbel , who is very calm and collected in his lore explanations usually, absolutely lose his shit over this colossal train wreck of a plot xD
Imagine building a complicated system with a single point of failure (like the Arbiter was) and the default behavior if it breaks is to have it do the dumbest thing possible, in this case just default to sending every soul to The Maw directly...something that no soul can do directly without stopping in Revendreth first when the system is functioning normally. That's like building an ATM/Bank Machine that if it has a failure it intentionally just starts spitting money out all over the place.
How is there not a "purgatory" type holding station for Souls?
Sylvanas hearing the word "serve" was WoW's "Martha" moment from Batman vs Superman
FF14: "Endwalker is the conclusion to 10 years of story." > actually concludes the story, with no major plot points left untied.
WoW: "9.2 Eternity's End is the conclusion to 20 years of story." > doesn't conclude anything & opens up even more plot holes.
And a bigger big BAD is coming
the actual conclusion to warcraft story is Legion. and BFA should’ve instead the start for new adventure. but instead they rushed all the plot point they had just to deliver shadowland
"9.2 is the conclusion to the 20 year story!"
*9.2 releases*
*doesn't explain a single thing about the 20 year story*
*big nipple man turn into robot*
while ff14's story is got awful, at least they don't aren't just constantly dragging on stories
FF14, "no major plot points left untied", I beg your pardon. There's a big gaping hole filled with questions (and compassion) for our "friend" who is currently Schrödinger's cat!
"The jailer did it: the game".
Also, that jailer shoop had me in stitches.
Jailer: Yo Sylvanas make me a Sandwich!
Sylvanas: Yes, sir!
Jailer: Yo Sylvanas go slap some horde kids around!
Sylvanas: Yes, sir!
Jailer: Yo Sylvanas massage my feet.
Sylvanas: Yes, sir!
Jailer: Yo Sylvanas -NSFW MESSAGE-
Sylvanas: Yes, sir!
Jailer: Yo Sylvanas, now serve me some tea.
Sylvanas: WAIT WHAT?!? I WILL NEVER SERVEEEE REEEEEEEEE
If we had at least gotten a high quality cinematic with Sylvanas in a skimpy maid outfit serving the jailer tea out of Shadowlands, I would like the expansion more :/
@@max8m1 That would be sexual harassment and Blizzard would never do something like that.
@@koatam oh you're right, thanks for reminding me of the moral paragons at blizz. They would never sexually objectovy a video game character, we don't even need to speak about real life women
The visual aids were amazing. I hope you do more summaries/reviews like this.
Kil’jeadan, archimonde and sargeras were such good enemies…
And The lich king, wow, an amazing character, a hero turned into one of the greatest threats, I started buying books because of wotlk, started caring about lore because of arthas…
And now we have this mess…
I’m just sad
The true World of Warcraft is the friends we meet along the way.
You mean all the friends that left in SL and BFA?
You mean the people that rage if you don’t play the class that the top100 guilds play? Or the guys that leave after a dungeon run is 2 seconds too long for them? Or the guys that buy boost and when you play with them they play like a monkey?
Hm not sure 😂
I played the game from Vanille till BfA but after wotlk just alone without a guild bc everytime you join one it’s just drama and toxic bs
@@NoztrozeR That's been my experience. I mean sure, my guild has always been small, and thankfully, still have friends there, but knowing THE GAME, and not only RL stuff drove them away, makes me sad, esp. when they LOVED it through Legion & played enthusiastically till BfA (though some were OK w/ BfA but totally lost interest after trying SL).
@@SaltareObscurum you must have had bad luck in that case. I made plenty of friends for life from the different guilds i have been in. We still chat and play games together despite nobody plays wow anymore.
@@TheAssirra Maybe bc you Are Gay
As someone who doesn’t play WoW, I appreciate the quick recap of the story and lore
As someone who was interested in the lore, I no longer am lol
@@rasmachris94
Same… But this is what happening in all established famous franchises: From Star Wars to Star Trek, from Marvel to DC, you get the idea.
@@bernardotorres5274 yeah. and it has always happened. people always like the direction popular stuff is going. and years later they say back then it was still good and dislike the stuff _then_ . and the people we liked now is the stuff people back then complained about. etc etc.
by the gods... he really, really, REALLY mad about this conclusion of this expansion and I don't blame him for it. He has based almost his entire YT/TTV career on the study and understanding the lore and history of a fictional universe to realize the absolute truth of things... And that is...
The cake is a lie
Nobbel had major sunk cost fallacy vibes for the past few years
Only now, but then this current generation is guzzling down mediocre movies and tv shows and saying they're amazing. Like avengers endgame. A solid 6/10 in as far as movies go. Its fun and stuff, its just not great. But you guys all say its the greatest of all time 11/10. When you let something average be 'great' then everything else goes to shit. Like WoW, like star wars, like game of thrones, like comic books, like games, like music lol. It will eventually get good again, but its likely it will take something big enough to wake this idiot generation out of their mediocrity and 'belief' that being woke is an improvement on society and not a regression :D In conclusion, just watch movies, listen to music and play games from the 90's and 20000's and you'll be ok. Cause they were still good then
@@TripleARMS Pyro, at least, quit with an amazing burst of passion.
@@Turamwdd True, I still watch Pyro's rant on occasion
@@decimus81 get me some of that 20,000s entertainment, let's gooooo
"Save Martha!" levels of writing.
You mean THEY FLY NOW writing... Well, save Martha also works.
You mean the POWER OF SCIENCE, PEOPLE levels of writing?
@@bernardotorres5274 Joe bidens state of the union levels of writing writing
what i hate is that the save martha moment can still be read as batman going "omg i am killing someone son, i am the thug that would have killed me if my parents didn't jump in front of the robber", in a very poor way, it is very baddly directed and written, but you can take a reading out of it
with the whole jailer thing you just have blanks, you have no threats, no reason why he did the things the way he did, we couldn't see his side of the story even if we wanted to (and oh boy, sylvanas loyalist wanted to know the other side of the story), no
it is just, nothing, a parasite of a character that was behind so much story and is just a blank of a story beat
I love nobbel still keeping up with the lore and telling us the stories. one of if not my favorite wow content creator for so many years. Keep being awesome!
I really like how when Nobbel starts talking about the First Ones, that graphic in the bottom left makes it look like he just blew out a ton of smoke from some weed. Really sets the stage imo.
About the whole "I will never serve" did by Sylvanas at the end of Sanctum of Domination
Seriously: Sylvanas was the lackey (I agree: Sylvanas totally "SERVED") of someone called JAILER, master of DOMINATION magic, and his other lieutenant was a MIND CONTROLLED Anduin. And Sylvanas rebelled just when she listened the world "serve".
Writing team, that was not an empowering moment: that's the proof that Sylvanas is DUMB as a brick! I bet that even the lowliest murloc or kobold would've understood that the Jailer was a bad guy, and his plan was to rule
YOU NO TAKE CANDLE!
Even in Warcraft 3 she was a brick. So that is at least consistent. ;-)
@@Traumglanz I hated her in Warcraft 3 (we played as Arthas and she was quite an annoyance, doing her best to stop our advance). I was glad when Arthas reanimated Sylvanas.
Then in TFT I liked her. And during Wrath, after the Wrath Gate and the Battle of Undercity, I hoped that she would become something like a (very, very) dark heroine.
Then... She just become a moustache twirling villain :(
@@gaurok nah, she should be dead in the end od frozen throne
The saddest thing about this whole video? It's entirely accurate.
This dude is such a boss, I can barely remember my mom's birthday, but he just dropped a entire xpac lore off the top of his head
This feels like one of those things where you force an AI to read a bunch of stuff and then generate a story based on what it read.
8:58 Nobel summed up so well as to why i HATE what they did to Sylvanas's character so much. NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE for her character.
I have held, since CATACLYSM, that Sylvanas did NOT return from ICC, but rather something else. She was clearly a different character after Wrath than before. Shadowlands could have been salvaged if we had found her in Ardenweald, and the thing wearing her skin was SABOTAGING the Jailer in secret. It is the Forsaken and the not-Sylvanas breaking the cycle of life and death causing the drought in the Shadowlands.
@@ZS-bg7jo We are constantly reminded that we the fans can make better alternative story choices than the Real ones.
@@ColdCryomancer We PLAYED THE GAME. Which the current pack of devs clearly demonstrate have not, and do not.
I fell in love with h this series because there was this massive orc and ogre armada and elven steel allied with dwarven canon along with the unified tribes of Man… something something.
Thank you, Nobbel, he who can explain pretty much any WoW lore, in long, detailed videos, that I'm not crazy or stupid for not understanding (and becoming apathetic) about the damn story. I hate that I can't trust their storytelling (because no one's responsible - SOMEONE BIGGER AND BADDER is controlling everything). I'm glad that I'm not the only one confused. I am dreading that they WILL take this bigger. And bigger. And each time, get farther and farther away from the things we care about.
Nobbel: Kyrestia the Firstborne, the Archon.
Video: Shows a picture of the Arbiter.
If that doesn't demonstrate how dull Shadowlands' characters are, I don't know what will.
"it was supposed to be a really empowering moment, but instead it was really dumb!" is the best summary of shadowlands.
I wish he'd vary his intonation this much in his regular videos too, this is a lot nicer to listen to
“Any questions?”
Yeah like a million
this was cathartic, thanks. 'I will never serve' completely broke me. Gave up on a game I'd played for over a decade because I just couldn't handle the dumb anymore.
Side note, but I love the Human Female dance. It's so goofy like a mom trying to be cool for her kids.
There was a time, my friend, when all of the hot 20 year-old girls were doing that at parties. Ponder this.
I swear this is the funniest editing with pics and stuff and summary I’ve ever seen. Love it.
Man, I love Nobbel's explanation of WOW Lore. It is my go-to for understanding anything lore related with WOW. So convenient. I often load one of his videos related to a region in WOW that I am currently exploring, as a sort of virtual Tour Guide to that region, while I am there.
For those who genuinely want to know what was up with that part about Elune, here's what happened (based on what we have been told which could be changed at any point regardless of who tells us that info because that's the level of storytelling we're in right now):
Elune has the power to prevent night elf souls from going to the Shadowlands, their spirits instead becoming the wisps that are all over night elf areas. When the burning of Teldrassil happened, Elune chose to allow those hundreds of souls to go to the Shadowlands instead of becoming wisps. The reason for that was because Elune has a counterpart in the Shadowlands: The Winter Queen of Ardenweald, who refers to Elune as her "sister." Elune has some connection to the Winter Queen and sensed that she and Ardenweald were growing weaker due to a lack of anima, so she redirected the souls of Teldrassil to the Shadowlands in the hopes of their anima helping her out. However, at the time Elune was unaware of the Arbiter being broken and all souls automatically being sent to the Maw, but she has no power over the souls once they've entered the Shadowlands, so she could do nothing but hope that the Winter Queen could take care of whatever was going on.
Wow... That's... That's so lame im glad i never played wow after i finished Warcraft 3
6:25 my honest reaction when I think that years of WoW lore were actually the Janitor's schemes
I was half paying attention when the kitty cat started placing the forces on the board. Did a double take, like, "Did that say Trap!?" Then rewound and lost my shit at the Spell and Trap card icons.
That last spiteful sip of coffee just before the video ends perfectly sums up everyones opinion of the shadowlands storyline 😂
The freeing of Anduin cut scene is an anomaly in the Shadowlands story line. All spirits go to the Shadowlands to sent to their proper destination, yet Varok and Varian are outside the Shadowlands to manfest and undue the Jailers control of Anduin.
That “hello everyone” continues to put me at ease when stressed
Glad I'm not the only one
"what is to come" is really taking its sweet time to show up
It's almost like the people making WoW now don't know what they're doing. I think Final Boss will be Bobby Kotick who then tells us he was controlled by Asmongold all along.
Never played WoW, only knew that "the story is bad, lol" from bits and pieces of complaining I've heard on the internet.
This was a great summation and gave me a lot of background, so now I feel confident in saying "Jeez, that story is fucking terrible."
Thank you @Nobbel for doing such a service for interested bystanders like me.
Warcraft Story at the beginning was not bad at all tbf! its just that the gameplay was more important than the story at some point and since not alot of people cared about the story to begin with there was no point in making it a masterpiece i loved wow lore back than but it really turned to shit and i can only imagine that is not just the people writing the story that is also just the way the game was handled in generall. if your interested in warcraft lore i can only say Warcraft 1-3 storys are amazing and i bet novel has alot of videos of the old story on his mainchannel :D
@@ChaoZzBladex Stop making excuses for bad story.
"story is bad" would be a compliment.
Story is actually garbage terrible.
@@99range92def their not making excuses. Before bfa, we've never had a time where have hair tearing bs garbage story plots. There were certainly questionable decisions, no doubt about that, but never this hideous.
The past two expansions and moreso the current one, they've ripped apart and destroyed previously established lore for this bs in the current expansion. Nobbel hit it right on the head. This is on a level of bad that can't even be brushed aside.
If it was always bad that would be whatever, but it used to be really cool and became shitty over time... Kind of like Game of Thrones.
"ah it just hurts".
That it does Nobbel. That it does.
The story of the Shadowlands is "Drink more Ovaltine". Honestly, I'm amazed how many people have been blindsided by this, as if it hasn't been headed this way for years. It's like Blizzard has a bunch of 12 year olds writing the story.
Man Child lead dev and twitteroids.
I don't i thought that story in MOP was cool because it was continuation of everything that happend before like a build UP to garosh being warmonger we saw that in wotlk we saw it in cata etc...
but ever since WOD and that timetraveling disaster it was garbage like legion was good because it was basically warcraft 3 lore explained to detail and why things happend and who are these titans etc
but BFA overall story no sence Shadowlands is another disaster
They should fire people who do this because it is damanging the brand
@@lukeluckynblue1873 Legion had a lot of story elements I didn't like, but the story telling and (albeit cheesy) character interactions were pretty solid.
literally, just another big bad every expansion. gets very boring.
@@someguyfromtheinternet5158 It's not that... it's that it's teh same damn iteration almost every time. Big bad is just a segway into an even BIGGER Bad. but the next biggest bad is just working to deal with an even *biggester* baddererer bad that is really even WORSE! But the real terrible thing is taking the old lore/story and trying to graft it into the current thing with no real set up or payoff.
Love that he played his theme before getting into it
you can feel the love in his storytelling
Didn't they made it clear that when sylvanas threw herself from the top of the icc and she died and went to "afterlife" she was scared shitless by that place and that's why she joined the jailer in order to overthrow the life and death cycle? also after she failed to capture that valkyr's lamp in legion and she couldn't become immortal to avoid dealing with the jailer, i think that's the point where she started to go along with the plan cause she had no second plans to avoid going again to the place that scared her shitless.
Literally, I can feel this story was made in the last 5 minutes before the due date; just so bare minimum so that the professor doesn’t get mad at you.
Could listen to you for hours bro. Thanks for the content.
They should rename the patch to "World of Warcraft's End"!
You inadvertantly told the story we are all asking for
this is unironically super helpful for getting into dragonflight because I quit after vampire daddy
making a bad story is one thing, but retconing the entire warcraft lore to be bad aswell... thats just next level. ..
quickly becoming my favorite Warcraft content creator. thanks for the great vid!
Actually, this is the real hidden plot behind everything: SL is the expac where wow suffers their worst down, a death themed expac helps kill the game, and the Jailer is the main mascot of this all, hence why he's written in as the representative for every major lore event and character, and then killed at the end of the last patch with no elaboration.
When you started with the music and intro. I really smiled of pure nostalgia
Dead Serious, we should start a petition to get NobbelTV to become a writer for WoW. Save Us!
I used to come to Nobble for lore... but after all this years and watching your content, even tho I burned my bridges with WoW and Blizzard after SW2 finale and now this shit... now I came here to support him in this dark times! ❤ still love you m8! Keep your head up and Godspeed 😁
Hearing all this makes me want to delve back into when the lore of Wow was good. I would love to see a series of videos detailing the entirety of events wirhin the War of the Ancients. Including the New things unvealed within Legion. We really need a fresh splash of good lore to reinvigorate us after being beaten down with this mess.
"Jailer did it!" Jailer is a retelling of Sargeras, except Sargeras was actually based on the Jailer. *rolls eyes
Dreadlords serve the Legion, but actually serve the void, but actually serve the Jailer.
"Here's a cosmology illustration of how the universe is balanced." Except Light and Void are the strongest. But actually Life and Death are more important. And the First Ones decided that death is the bottom/foundation of all creation, so they get the keys.
Arthus was corrupted by the dreadlords, who worked for the Jailer, who had a Mourne™ blade made to control him along with the Helm of Domination. Arthus kills a fuck ton of people. Sylvanas was one of those people and was controlled by Arthus directly. A neat way for the writers to allude to abuse, I wonder where they'll take that. Fast forward 15+ years of writing, Sylvanas learns nothing and becomes the abuser, but it's ok, she's a woman and she didn't mean to and totally, actually, learned a lesson.
Tyrande becomes empowered with her god's power, to take vengeance and right the wrongs done to her people, but doesn't actually do anything.
I might as well stick to Legion as a legit ending to World of Warcraft.
Just ignore the part where sargeras stabs the world and yeah, great ending.
@@Exorion1er I see it more as his last attempt. There was a quest where we use our artifact weapons together to remove it. Unfortunately, Blizz had to remove it cause "reasons". Nonetheless, still a better ending than the next 2 expansions.
The edited in memes are amazing
absolute madlad, well done nobble
Love how you did the intro and everything
Seeing as how the First Ones ordered the cosmos with a Song, rock guitars and a metal shout were a perfect introduction
I really hope Steve Danuser watches this and realizes he needs to resign.
This video has the highest amount of sighs per minute of all YT videos.
gotta say i’m enjoying this break down of the expansion and wow as a whole 😂
The nobbel intro and theme actually made the boring story somehow interesting to hear
This editing is spot fucking on, and I love it.
OMFG that intro was amazing!
Garrosh really did nothing wrong.
Zoval could see the coming end, the true final boss.. the uninstall button.
If there was somebody that could make this ef up story somewhat interesting is Nobbel! I miss the lore vids, but it's understandable how difficult it is with the pile o dung he was given to work with.
Blizzard: "let's center the whole story around Sylvanas from now on". Also Blizzard "let's make her a total idiot and a terrible leader with nonsensical motivations and hey just for fun how about a touch of genocide". Brilliant!
and a total lack of self awareness.
So this is the sound of a devotee betrayed.
Rest in pieces Blizzard, you've lost the Chosen one.
i love this guy..... his voice and knowledge hits hard
I was on the fence until he screamed “HIYA!” then I was hooked and watched the whole thing
Is it weird that I put on his longer vids to fall asleep too.. So soothing
You can actually hear the pain in nobbels voice as he tells this lore
Poor Nobbel... So much pain watching this video and explaning the "lore" of Shadowlands..
We all deserved better than what we got last 2 xpacs.
They made it all about one character, Sylvannas. They have so much existing characters to add or create lore with but it seems some higher up within the staff was into drama shows. .
I feel that the "Shadowlands Lore" did the most damage.
well that is what happens when you put someone that is a Sylvannas fan boy in charge of the story.
Nobbel : Priceless.
I want Nobbel to write the lore for Warcraft... We gotta kick out Steve and give it to Nobbel bro
Listening to lore videos is why I got back into world of Warcraft a few years ago but now it just makes me sad
Good grief. I thought I must have been missing something. I thought there must have been some missing quest chain that tied this story together. But Nobel knows everything about this lore, and even he can confirm that the plot is just...missing some parts. How could Blizzard make such an elaborate expansion, that looks so magnificent, and not have it make sense?
From whispers apparently the story got scrapped 6 months from launch and they had to redesign a main story in that time
Nobbel you are a lore genius. love this
Actually, I would have loved if that "thing" was us. If the universe was created to be in balance, we (as player characters) are in business in effing things up. We kill titans, we kill old gods, we come to shadowlands and turn it upside down. Thanks to us the Shadowlands will never be as they were intended (plus we let the devourers everywhere). Like if there was a semblance of balance we are the biggest threat ever to exist.
Can someone please explain to me how Bwomsandis and Helias Death Realms fit in to the shadow lands ? o.O
Im still confused.