It’s an interesting point that Sin’dane makes about necromancy not being limited to Death magic, taking into consideration that we’ve seen every single one of the Six Forced being someone back to life: a naaru reanimating Calia, many instances of Void risen undead in BfA and Aegwynn bringing Medivh back by using Arcane power and sacrificing her own life essence to do so
It's pretty much common knowledge, I think, that cosmic beings can use any magic they learn. Why wouldn't a naaru resurrect Calia instead of reanimating her though, considering the contention between the Light and death? I suppose it fits if death magic is the cheap and flawed way of doing it. If Calia was too important to the naaru for some reason, and didn't have enough power at hand for a full rez, it's good enough. That would make sense. It could have also just been a case of, "Oh she's a major human figure, from Lordaeron, and she's not undead, that doesn't make any sense; she's undead now, fixed it, derp", which I really can't put past them.
what about the power of life magic? a life magic undeath sounds very wrong, i can imagine undead-like beings raised by life magic, but those wouldn't be undead, more like living things like roots or fungus or whatever moving a corpse like a marionette, but those things would be alive and the corpse would not be animated, it would only appear to be. Like if you tried to use life magic to bring back someone i guess that either you bring them back as actually living beings and not undead, or you end up with your life magic changing to its opposite death magic in the process, in which case it would only be a overcomplicated way of normal death magic necromancy
It's not necromancy that is the shared unity of the Forsaken, it's experiencing the same hardships in the cursed existence. Calia had a short time in fear during the Scourge invasion, but she has never been Forsaken by friends and family. Even now she is being accepted by the majority.
tldr: sylvanas got herself some therapy and was sent to find her boytoi. Also does anyone else feels like the horde turns more into a democracy where freedom is actually a thing...where the alliance starts to look more like a fascist on the making? and yes I'm looking at yrel and turalyon on this...not to mention the other "leaders" of the alliance had pretty much nothing to say in any matters cuz what Varyan said it goes.
Ohh man, hearing Nobbles voice talking about WoW lore just hits different. Reminds me of good times and has a lot of nostalgia to it. It feels very comforting.
Omf, when will Blizzard remove that animation, ffs?! T^T They _know_ it's bad; they've not given it to anyone else, they cut it from the Nightborne, and they don't use it in a single cinematic, so they must know! Just axe it already! >-
I've loved the sylvanas character since she stood next to varimathras and I had to collect an undead apothecary as a lowbie with no quest addons. What a mighty character ruined by irresponsible writing.
I refuse to consider her lore, or any lore at all, between the start of bfa and the end of SL. We killed the Legion, Sylvanas dissappeared and we don't know why, now we're helping dragons, yay
Anduin has doubts about his faith in the Light because of being Dominated and now wants to take a break to figure stuff out? Damn if only there was someone who was strong in the Light, that also willingly contained Domination magic within himself to save the world, and was slowly being corrupted by it through the years, and also happened to be a mentor/father figure to Anduin. I'm pretty sure said character could really help Anduin find peace 🤔🤔🤔 (Yes, I'm still incredibly salty that Bolvar got reduced to a simple exposition man and Sylvanas punching bag and Blizzard won't explore more facets of his character like losing the Light and how the Dragonfire works, instead barely giving scraps of badly written family drama)
@@tf2010zf That would actually mean they planned things. I would love to see this, and love to see better writing, but sadly somehow I doubt it will happen. Maybe they proof me wrong...
Imagine how many souls waiting in line to be help, and how long it will take. Sounds weird to tell that Tyrande really cares her people, like Uther says is it vengeance or justice they seek? Well, but Tyrande was always clear at first she seek vengeance lol
I've a feeling they've done it this way so we'll "revisit" the the shadowlands in the future but I really pray they don't go "Muwahaha you thought she was redeemed but no she's in charge again!". I mean unlikely but... this is blizzard we're talking about.
Yep, really proves uthers point about justice vs vengeance. Now this will bite us in the ass so hard in the future, but ayy maybe then people will have different opinions on shadowlands.
I have to say, I've always been impressed by the range of Sylvanas' voice actress but damn, Tyrande's is incredibly good as well. She can portrait so much depth of emotion, I love it.
@@mokarokas-1727 For classic and the first three expansions, most of the voices were done by company staff just like that, so they didn't have professional voice actors.
@@badass6300 - This goes for Warcraft 3 too, it's not just that: they talk so quietly even when large emotions are expressed. Like they're trying not to wake someone up in the next room. :D That's not on the actor, that's on the director.
In terms of voice acting Blizz hired some talented people back then, who are still around. It`s not only in Warcraft, but also Starcraft for example. Writing is not the best in WoW for some time, and SC also had some issues with the story in the end (in my opinion) but those voice actors sure do their best.
@@cameronmcewen7192 - And here you are again, with yet another account, spamming the same misinformation. You don't speak for any actresses, and there's no animated series in the works. Stop spamming.
@@yankokassinof6710because it's insane for them to basically give Sylvanas a pass back in, acknowledging the jailers influence. Then let her tell arthas off (like he was any worse?), to be forgotten. He's also arguably the better character.
I mean Sylvanas was killed and brought back as a banshee by arthas, she didn't have a choice. Arthas took frostmourne by choice, also her motivation was low-key nice, Arthas was technically more of a bad guy imho.
So again: If Sylvanas actions really were her own, was it really the Jailor saying "all will serve" for the 15th time that tipped her off to this being a bad idea?
If you think she's telling the truth, you haven't paid attention. She was double speaking. Half of her soul was dominated, half was held hostage. She had ZERO choice, period. Imagine this: I take the good half of your soul prisoner. Then I use magic to force your bad half to do as I demand. You are magically compelled, against your will, to do my bidding, therefore you "chose to do my bidding," because I forced you to choose that. So she is telling the truth...or at least...half of it. Having ALL of herself now returned, NOW all her decisions are her own. So why would she double speak then, knowing full well the implications. Well, you see, little Casual, that is because she knows EXACTLY what Pelagos and Tyrande would do. She even states it: "Death would be merciful. But you aren't going to be merciful, Tyrande." Then what does Tyrande do? EXACTLY what Sylvanas said she'd do, NOT BE MERCIFUL. Sylvanas played Tyrande like a fucking fiddle. Sylvanas is EXACTLY where Sylvanas wants to be: The Maw. The source of her power. She is in charge now, or at least...she thinks she is. Or perhaps, she knows she's just the Jailers puppet, and that she replaced Zovaal. The thing is, Zovaal wasn't the Jailer, The Primus is. And he and Denathrius are very, very free now, and still plotting. Their scapegoat now used up, their plans only just completing phase 1 of their Ultimate goal. You're going to be in for a wild punch to the gut when this all comes to a head. Sylvanas will be doing absolutely ZERO suffering or penance. She is either still Dominated, or choosing to serve one of, if not THE greatest mastermind in all of Reality: The Primus, who predicted absolutely everything, which means he also predicted this. Like it or not, this is the story. It's greater than people can clearly comprehend, and I can't wait to see the next phase of his masterplan. Zovaal seems like a shallow character not because he is, but because he is meant to appear that way. Blizzard's writers aren't stupid; this is all by grand design. All you have seen, is a fractal.
Sylvanas regained her free will after Illidan wounded the Lich King, and in Edge of Night, her corpse was re-reanimated with her entire soul. Disregard all the booolshiet. Also, let's laugh our asses off how Blizzard continuously asserted, emphatically, all throughout BFA and Shadowlands that she was strong and independent, until they went back on it at the last second. 😂 I don't care if Syl is strong or not, these cop outs are just bad writing. At least they saved her in the canon for all her parasocial fans.
All will serve = everything dies at one point and by that comes under the rule of death, nothing else. Also Sylvanas has more than enough reason to go against such a terrible system for mortals that leave no escape. And while things didn't work out as she wanted, she still reached a lot and improved the system by a lot. She kows, that none of her enemies would ever see that, so she just gives away her judgement to her biggest enemy, so none could say anything afterwards anymore - and by that close that chapter. Wasn't perfect for her, afterall she had hoped for freeing mortals completely from these chains, but at least it's much better than before.
@@Levitiy Her soul is pretty whole, the little fragment she was given back still left a wound and when it rejoins, as it was frozen in time, it delivers an unique view on her whol way from ranger general to the banshee queen who was willing to sacrifice thousands and more to bring down the injust system of death. Something her ranger general self is unable to understan of course, especially because it lacks all the insight her older self has earned - and was (de)formed by. And no, it's no bad writign at all, you people just love to throw shit and got clearly no clue of good writing. I never heared anything interesting from any of your crybabies. All that comes from you is "THAT'S SHIT! THAT'S SHIT! THAT'S SHIT!", so the standard social media degenerate.
@@miriamweller812 I'm glad someone gets it. Because it's either that, or she was intentionally infiltrating the Maw, to replace Zovaal one day. It's absolutely something she'd do. But maybe now that she has her other half of her soul again, her plans have changed. Her manipulative half was all we've seen since she threw herself off ICC in Wrath. It explains everything. Now she should be more like she was from her resurrection in WC3, all the way to ICC. It's a great way for Blizzard to return Sylvanas to how she used to be, so the next time we see her active in the min story again, she's gonna be instantly loved by the entire community all over again. I have and always will love her character, she's extremely interesting.
@@Trashloot In a book Sylvanas reminisce about the past and very often talk about her little brother Lirath Windrunner and how she feels like she failed him. And most of the time she address him as "Little Lord Sun"--a nickname with similarities to her nickname for Anduin, "Little Lion." Between the nickname, golden hair, deep blue eyes, and similar mindset they very alike.
Really hope the night elves get a brand spankin new Teldrassil planted in or near the dragon isles, which houses a "New Darnassus" and also a brand new Night Elf starting zone experience.
I'd rather they build up around Nordrassil. Night elves need to stop planting world trees, 3/4 of them turned out terrible for the world. Maybe they could reclaim felwood and turn it into something more in line with darnassus and the druid class hall.
@@nathans9764 THIS. Idk why tf they need a new tree. Like it makes sense as to why Teldrassil was planted (Fandral and his druids wanting their immortality back) but it makes absolutely no sense to have another one now. Just fortify Hyjal, work harder on purifying Felwood and because it's Dragonflight and Ysera's back, get her, Alexstrasza and Nozdormu (maybe even Kalec too since the highborne are back into night elf society, to make their mages more powerful) to bless Nordrassil again and make them finally reclaim their immortality and immunity to sickness and disease. They deserve it after the constant losses they've been enduring since the start of WoW
"the flow of souls into the maw has stopped" > two min after, sylvanas jumps into the flow of souls going into the maw. The lack of care with details is very representative of everything related to lore in this expansion.
@@Usagi33353 maybe, but one would assume this should have been the ending they were expecting to reach and be prepared for it (insert illidan meme here)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this timeline is dead to me but I'll never stop watching the loremaster who inspired me to be better at learning azeroth's story and history. Besides, my timeline can always use the last glimmers of truly decent lore left in modern blizzard's trainwreck. Thank you for covering it, even though I'm sure you, like me are pained by what it has become
Setting lore aside, its funny how Tyrande is hopping (the night elf idle animation) while Ysera explains to her the sacrifice needed to bring her back, and how her people need her.
Thank you so much for putting this together, Nobbel! I am ready to move beyond BFA and Shadowlands and hopefully into a better new storyline. This really helps put all those insane threads into a neat ball of yarn that I can tuck away somewhere. Excellent work, as always!
It still doesn't feel like they have a cohesive plot or are writing more than one content patch at a time. I'd be surprised if they know how they plan to end this new expansion or what the story of the story of the following expansion will be about. I'll come back to play the new expansion for about a month but I doubt the story or the end game will catch my attention.
I was always hoping that Lillian Voss would step into a leadership role for the Forsaken after Sylvanas left, I'm still not sure how I feel about a council, but at least Lillian is on it.
I dunno really, what "growth"? She had a nice arc coming to terms with herself in Cata+MoP, then came back out of nowhere in BfA as a military leader, mostly to sometimes drop in and say how hard it is to be Forsaken and why they deserve sympathy. Good thing, but not really character development.
@@AlunKahul - Oh for sure, but we haven't really seen the second part of this growth. It happened off-screen, she wasn't even part of the Forsaken when we last saw her before her popping up in BfA.
Oh boy. We just had a faction leader doubt himself out of his birthpower. Now Anduin will have so much doubt he'll turn to shadows for a while? Like Thrall with the Elements when he became a warrior for a while?
And he'll have a strange relationship with Sylvanas and quest chain that explains it and also further develops it and we'll have Sylvanduin babies in no time
@@bigthonk735 Well, the Windrunners seem to have this weird thing for human males. So it ain't that farfetched. That said cuckolding Nathanos with Anduin could be such as bitch move that I can't see the new "good" Sylvannas doing it.
@@bigthonk735 Somewhere I read that they did idd do the deed, something about she asking for his "company" at his "place". Now if u ask me if the undead can bump uglies? I wanna say yes, but probably not (question mark?) I mean even if Nathanos PP doesn't work, he still got fingers and a mouth, am I right?
As much as the overall story of SL was…eh I think the epilogue was really good. Still had issues but instead of one big wrap up, they made sure to have a wrap for every major story.
I'm glad blizzard woke the fuck up on that killing character off was a bad idea, they brought Illidan back and put him on the shelf, in case of emergency, so it's Yzera and Sylvannas.
I like how Lillian’s speech about the undead being her family mirrors… I think it was Thassarian referring to Koltira Deathweaver where he said “we are brothers in death.”
So wait a minute.. does that mean that Bolvar was raised into undeath using necromancy but with fire magic instead of death magic or light magic? The margrave said that necromancy is necromancy no matter what type of magic is used.. did Alexstraza use necromancy?
he didnt even die. hes not undead as far as i know. he got infected with the plague, was about to die and then alextrasza came and burned him and the plague, but the fire of the red dragons is a form of life magic kind of :D thats my take at least.
I don't think so, Bolvar's body was being ravaged by Putress' blight and the heat of Red Dragonflight flames (while they have been described as having both purifying and rejuvenating properties, the renewal is mostly shown to affect plant growth). As a paladin, he may have attempted to heal/purify himself, further adding to an already unstable/uncontrolled mixture of magical energies. I suspect the end result was that in healing damage done by the flames and blight, the magic(s) were focused on 'preservation of life' rather than truly healing Bolvar's body, and so countless patches of scar tissue formed. I think that he didn't actually die, so he wasn't raised to undeath by necromancy, but rather 'lowered' to a state between life and death 'equivalent' to undeath.
I don't think it was wittingly. So kinda. The dragonfire and blight probably transmuted each other's effects in the time it took to burn the fumes away.
Krasus/Korialstrasz raises a man from undeath (temporarily) in the books for information, and mentions that life and death are two sides of the same coin. Dragon life magic isn't much different from the other kinds available, it's just more primal. That said, I don't think Bolvar died and was resurrected so much as "prevented from dying". You know, like dragon-spiced beef jerky. Which might be why he's so mad about it.
perhaps the only good thing to come out of Shadowlands, excellent lore videos from Nobbel so no one will ever have to play this wretched content ever again
God damn it, as much as I hate to say it, Sylvanas accepting her actions and not blaming it on the Jailer is pretty commendable. For those that have read Brandon Sanderson's Oathbringer will perhaps recognize "You can not have my pain!" and how it can relate here somewhat.
the only thing in shadowlands that was ever good but still Battle for azeroth was better and UGHHHHHHHHHH REDEEM YOURSELVES BLIZZARDS AND GET OUT OF MICROSFOT
@@OmniMon94 Get out of Microsoft? Genuinely not sure if you think Microsoft had anything to do with how bad Shadowlands was or not. But the truth is that no, Microsoft hasn't even touched anything Blizzard at all. This was all Blizzard's own mess. If anything I personally think that Microsoft will be able to save Blizzard from themselves. I mean they've legit done good with both ESO and my god the work they did to help Fallout 76 recover...
@@JamailvanWestering I dont know, in Legion they did a good job in making her that " I'll do bad things so that my people and the horde would survive ". Even the burning of Teldrassil was a good idea and even though it's arguably not a good thing to burn down innocent, the way they first said it was " I was supposed to kill Tyrande and Malfurion to make it so the elves would be so desperate that they wouldn't engage in the war for Azerite. But some green idiot fucked it up ". But then they said " nah it was the plan all along ". Riot and retcons are synonymous but when it came to this specific character we went to that depressed person only wanting revenge to not as depressed and now wanting her people to survive to depressed and wanting everyone to die because the joker and bad writing.
@@professeurmythologeek7695 Sylvanus had always been about her own survival first. Sylvanus never treated The Horde as allies back when they first joined but more like necessary allies, The Horde used The Forsaken as a beach head in Eastern Kingdoms but did see them as equals, she never did. Need I remind you she kept producting and experimenting with the blight. She forced and jailed Koltira. She was driven by revenge until after the defeat from Arthas. What happened after that no one really knows because she stopped being involved or interesting as much. (I found her more annoying than interesting)
@@JamailvanWestering i'd argue that once again Legion showed something else. Not just some self centered goal but a true wish for the horde and the forsaken to survive, she said herself that when she tried to enslave Eyir she did because her people couldn't reproduce. And if she was just doing all this for her own self, she wouldn't sacrifice one of her banshee for Nathanos. And for Koltira, the guy was friend with a member of the alliance making him a possible spy so, he deserved it. I'm fairly certain that when they started working on Shadowlands they were like " Oh shit Sylvanas isn't that evil of a character, we need to make her sound like a bad cartoon vilain " and invented the whole thing with the bald bdsm death guy.
@@professeurmythologeek7695 she didn’t really change, basically she became more self centered (heck the Cenarion Circle and the Earthen Ring were looking for ways of curing them )
These shitty ass lore stories from bfail and Systemlands are not worthy of Nobbel time efforts. I hoped so much to be wrong and blizz shut my mouth with a hit of storytelling up to the last patch only to sadly realized to be right all along to be disappointed about the new lore directions.
Shadowlands had alot of very great climaxes with well made cutsceens but they all end up feeling unearned, so little time too explain charackter motivation and actually showing whats happening. Its like the game we play and the story they show dont actually fit togheter
This seed stuff... just feels so empty to me. Souls that, per lore we had for over a decade, never should have even gone there but stayed on Azeroth? This dependency of Shadowlands to give the Night Elves any kind of renewal, when they are a people who picked themselves up from worst events in their past than anything in WoW, without really needing divine intervention so much as guidance and wisdom to rebuild. Years of having our lore and characters trashed, and they simply try to throw us another world tree, ignoring that the actual narrative of Teldrassils history was against the arrogance of planting new world trees at all... I mean, I'm sure it'll graphically be pretty. But seems like it will fly in the face of the original meaning of the lore its trying to rip off, where they could have just remembered OG night elf lore and returned their focus to Nordrassil. Shadowlands, and the minds that allowed it to exist in these forms even outside its main story, are gonna haunt this setting and games story until the end I reckon.
Yep, cleansing of Felwood and settling of Mount Hyjal. Night Elves are a people, not a tree. Decimated as they are, there will be plenty of room for them without one. I would rather see them and the Forsaken splitting from the Alliance and Horde to focus on rebuilding on their own.
@@mikfhan hell if we wanna just avoid the issue entirely of a small population like they do with Tauren or Darkspear, just have a lot of hidden villages throughout the regions that saw how absurdly suspicious Fandral and Teldrassil were and just stayed in their communities. The maps, especially vanilla era ones, aren't comprehensive, they can't possibly be.
I feel very frustrated watching this, seeing Shadowlands the entire expansion was made just to redeem Sylvanas. Blizz wanted to show Jailer as a greatest evil and source of our suffering, but instead of writing him as a interesting character, writers focused on writing him badly enough to force Sylavans to betray him. Even the death of Big Bad Warcraft wasn't the culmination of the Great Warcraft Saga but instead Judgment of Sylvanas. Uther, Anduin, Tyrande, almost every cinematic in last 2 years was supposed to make us feel sympathy for her, but she missed that opportunity when she looked at the burning Teldrasill in one of the most expensive BFA cinematic, with a smile on her face. We've wasted two years make her a Villain and next two we was forced watch like writers try to fix it. Honestly I don't wanna Sylvanas to come back. She was the face of two most controversial Expansion in terms of lore. Let them not kill her, but she cannot come back. She may appear like an easter egg, but her return will do more harm than good.
you traumatized? lmao jokes aside i personally dont care if she comes back or not, i can see good in both so long as its well written, she can just be a different character from now on and letting her rest for 1 (preferably 2) expansion (s) probably would do good to detach her renewed perspective from the garbage we were served since BFA and SL, so i do think that her returnal could add to the story again, but only if blizz let her rest and make something refreshing about her, also never again put the spotlight on her, coz that has proven to be a bad idea
Shadowlands was a gigantic heap of discount versions of things we already had, but that they insisted were somehow better. "Titan +++" entities with identical roles to titans. Rip off scourge, rip off emerald dream, rip off holy afterlife and High Heavens from d3... it just feels like an insult to everything that already existed for them to push so God damn hard about how vital these things are. How "everything you like is dependent on them." But then you read the lore of places like the Emerald Dream, and you realize it's prior lore before Shadowlands already had it perform every function of Ardenweald on its own. Everything they made was reductive to the things we knew about. Sargeras, the mad titan? Well he's just a pawn of Zovaal the Mad Eternal One. Their handling of the Sylvannas treatment compared to how they handled Arthas and his legacy are the best examples of this to me. They were willing to steamroll everything that made his story interesting to try and salvage her lol.
Now we know characters killed on all Warcraft games go to Shadowlands instead of be finished for good. Kel'thuzad became a running joke , killed 3 times. We find Lady Vash and Kael Thanas... we should pay a visit to Garrosh too. Shadowlands wounded Warcraft badly.
So its confirmed we get a timeskip, 3 years? I kinda had hoped for longer. Like a decade or more, give the time to come up with some actually original characters, villians and storylines
When you consider the whole of WoW's lore happened over the span of seven years, "just" three years is a pretty big timeskip. Imagine if you had been frozen in time during the BC expansion, and then you wake up with the Lich King dead, Azeroth shattered and disfigured here and there and a freaking race of Pandas which was thought to be a legend now part of your own Faction. Oh and you also have an Invasion coming from beyond the Dark Portal, AGAIN, but this time it comes from Past Draenor.
@@Lorfo11 yeah not a fan of the 7 years either considering the multiple world wars, apoclypses etc its just a strange time management for so many events, makes it feel like the previous events had no meaning
Even if Dragonflight lore is spectacular, I don't think I'll ever be able to get invested in WoW lore as deeply as before after how they treated N'zoth and Arthas. Absolutely shameful writing.
I hadn't even bothered watching these cinematics after the downhill stroll the lore took with the Jailer. Honestly though,that was good! It did bring back emotions for Warcraft I thought long gone.Nobbel, I salute you sir!
I think that the lore got overshadowed by the Jailer and how poorly he was written. At it's core though, Warcraft has always been a really fun and simple fantasy story. Legion/BfA/Shadowlands has finally given Blizzard a chance to put all of those stories to rest and move on. A time skip is exactly what the universe needs. How will all of this play out and how will the new loose ends shake out? I don't know. Maybe it will be terrible, but I am excited to see regardless!
“I ekshhhpecht no lesh.” I know she can’t help it, but good god that voice gets on my nerves. But, I hate Tyrande “Shit Don’t Stink” Whisperwind so much more.
This lore is so bad. Nobbel is great, but this video was hard to go through, because of the weird stuff they are doing with great characters, a these weird new ones.
One thing I wondered at, was why was Sylvanas allowed a graceful swan dive into the Maw, and I always fell down like a sack of spuds? Loved the interaction between Calia and Lilian. Very heartening. Lovely video, thank you! ❤
I think at some point Silvanas and Ilidan will come back and side by side will help us for something big, maybe in the next expansion, another big character will leave us and return in the future with Ilidan and Silvanas
I wanna shit show scenario. i.e "We were all lied to, all the 6 "pantheons" are out for their own, light, shadow, death, etc, it matters not, our only allegiance is to ourselves and by proxy, Azeroth" An expansion in which WE are the aggressors and bring the axe to other realms.
Thank god they ended Illidan on the best last expansion (Legion) Imagine if he went along BFa and Shadowlands, he would become a cuck like Bolvar and every other "Body type 1" Character 🤣🤣
BFA cured me of ever touching this game again, but seeing what Shadowlands has done for the game still hurts. Might have been me but I noticed that sentiment in your voice in this video.
It makes sense in a way. Necromancy: Using magic, any type of magic, to reanimate a body. Kel'thuzad was using Arcane magic to reanimate dead rats BEFORE knowing the Lich King.
@@nazarenogualco1199 except that gives us the twisted fel-like magic that death knights and necromancers use. It’s some real leaps and bounds to take to say that necromancy is necromancy, so I’m assuming the writers and subsequently the maldraxis person has no idea what they’re saying…
@@vladsvids4290 There may be difference in appearance. The light, as seen with Calia, resurrects people very much intact. The one that we know, the Scourge kind of necromancy, resurrects the bodies rotting. The void may resurrect people with very void-y looks. An extra eye or something. Or, infused with shadows, as seen in WoD with Ner'zhul.
The saddest thing is, taking Sylvanas out of the equation could have fixed SO MANY story issues in WoW ever since Wrath. She's a shit character hoisted up by a single simp in the company and a herd of fanboys. Hell, 90% of the story issues in Shadowlands were either because of her, or because they needed to try and make up a reason/justification for forgiving her.
They fucking drug Anduin and Tyrande through the mud to say "See, not everyone is perfect!", even though being RIGHTFULLY pissed about someone committing attempted genocide on your race and being controlled by Plotholes are way less fucked up than
you're a very brave and patient man, Nobbel - I don't think I would have the fortitude to discuss this toxic mess without breaking down half way through
Watching Tyrande, Shandris and Ysera have a deep conversation at the end of the video about life and death while their character models do that stupid little Night Elf bounce looks so stupid to me. Blizzard really need to do something about that. It looks especially goofy on some of the big important NPCs.
Oh thanks a lot. I didn’t know there’s stuff about Tyrande at the end. Anyways, I’m surprised that Nathanos went missing the entire expansion. Everything thought he would find Sylvanas in the Shadowlands.
So... the jailor's domination didn't fade when Anduin slamed his sword into the Archon. The domination paused because Anduin was actually enjoying and wanting to do it, so the domination did not needed to be used at that moment. Then he realised this and got probably confused or horrified or something that the domination kicked in again to control him. Yes we do know that the light in Anduin was strong enough to resist the Jailor's power, and it manifested durring its raidboss fight to become free. Still back in the day Anduin was kinda bad boy, if you remember old classic when he was just a kid. Also harsh on the black dragonflight guy too, and slamed that shield troll to dust and was also indifferent of the bloodied sword too before Sylvanas. So yeah plenty of points to the dark side. About Sylvanas. She was sadly a 1 dimensional character, but funny enough she actually got the only single thing she wanted, well 2 technically, okay 3, lol. 1. She saw Arthass in the Maw exposed to such punishment that she herself had some taste of that every action she ever did since served only a single purpouse, to avoid that fate in the maw. Now she is actually fully resurected living mortal with countless milenia ahead of her in a situation and power and knowledge that she literally cannot die as nothing there can ever hope to harm her, and even if she somehow managed to find difficulty, Tyrande of all people would need to intervene so she could resume the souls savings, and since this thing will last pretty much forever just means that shes set trough and trough to never experience herself the suffering and what she does is likelly not a torture or anything, also when she talked with Anduin it was clear that shes not phased by anthing down there or her job. 2. She will eventually find her love who got killed by Tyrande and she can reunite with him and probably share this near eternal toil and probably find many good moments with an even more eternal soul by her side, almost like a happy ending really. She even say herself this that she will find her love. 3. And lastly, she wanted revenge on Arthas for doing all that crap to her and her people. Which she kinda had, she had the opurnity to be the very last thing that ever connected to Arthas, and not just saw his actually full on death, but being contemt with forgiveness or anything you wannna call her finally being able to move on from this tragedy. And hey Arthas is 100% fully totally unreversabelly totally gone, not dead but litreally ereased from existence, yet shes still kicking, actually alive, and safe and sound with a lifetime job and potentially spending it with her hubby. She got the better ending, while Arthas had no saying or hope or choice and was actaully tortured for a lot long as time then her. So yeah. Even funnier that due to her powers, she likelly way way outlive her sisters and all other humans or orks and pretty much everyone :D
Anduin has been characterized as an unwilling sovereign who isnt comfortable with absolute power, and The Super Lesbian is literally EVERYTHING he hates about his duties as an autocrat.
The only real problem I have with this lore is the Uther line about "do the want Justice or Vengeance?" Sylvanus started a war with the specific intention to transfer all the souls of the dead to a place where they'd suffer eternal torment all to provide "fuel" to a being that was going to unmake reality. Even those she didn't have a direct hand in killing (which would be in the millions maybe?), she was still part of a plot that consigned tens (or maybe even hundreds) of millions of souls across the universe to that fate. Not sure looking down on the victims who are like "please just execute this evil person" is a good look for good old Bluther, especially since Sylvanus herself admits that she wasn't influenced to do it, she did it all with her own free will when given the possible out by the Arbiter. What she did was literally the most evil thing that anyone has probably ever done in the entire Warcraft Universe...getting the death penalty hardly seems like an over-reach of authority.
Still can't believe that turning the Helm into a Burger King hat was more important than tying up that loose end. Would be mighty handy to have it should the San'layn, the Ymirjar, or frost wyrms launch raids in the future.
Nobbel, I cannot rightly express my thanks for you returning to explaining WoW lore. I fell out of love with WoW during BfA, struggled and failed to rekindle that love during Shadowlands. Still, I cannot give up on WoW. Maybe it is nothing more than the sunk cost fallacy, I cannot say. But as it stands, your lore videos are all that I have to keep the guttering flame of my faded affection for WoW going. I feel hopeful that Dragonflight will bring back that loving feeling if Blizzard will only leave Anduin and Sylvanis in the Maw long enough for the bitter taste of BfA and Shadowlands to fade.
It's so dumb to me, considering sylvanas was essentially used as a weapon/vessel. and the talks of justice vs vengeance, yet it wasn't her doing it technically, not to me anyway and not to the extent tyrande acts like. Just make her a crazy genocidal character, im tired of this whole gray area bs, but yet everyone is 100% against sylvanas like that gray area doesn't exist. And tyrande, what exactly has she done besides whine and moan over it? I probably missed some things bc blizzard is ass at telling stories instead we prance around in the woods in darkshore with freakin malfurion and tyrande when he's the most powerful character on azeroth basically ever? Point is they could have stopped her, sylvanas isn't that damn powerful. Alliance has much more powerful characters than most of the horde it seems but no, we had no way to stop her from destroying a tree. Even with half the horde leaders also against sylvanas. And if you're gonna preach justice it's not justice to punish a vessel being used by the Lord of the literal underworld. I am glad they basically let tyrande be like "nah I'm here for vengeance" in that last cutscene instead of acting holier than thou about it, that's one good point to it.
Basically they destroyed Tyrande's personality, turned her into Maeiv 2.0 against all of her beliefs, and pushed that over and over, to make it a vessel for this entire plot. Similarly it's why Shadowlands lore doesn't fit with any established lore before it: it is an expansion fundamentally made on destroying what was objectively known as a fact in the universe.
I missed the end of Shadowlands but LOVED Dragonflight and never knew what happened. So I'm making a start on The War Within and wandering whatever happened to Sylvanas. When I first started in WotLK, my first friend I met in game LOVED her character, so im always wondering how shes doing
Sylvannas played Tyrande, like a goddamn fiddle, Sylvannas wanted her bu back, she couldn't go get him if she was dead, making it seems that it was a punishment to serve "penance" at the Maw, that was such a Sylvannas thing to do. Now she can spend eternity looking for that good Blighted cock.
I have to keep pausing to get through the cutscene dialogue... Everyone speaks like they're saying the most profound life changing emotional sentence ever, all the time. It's painful.
I wonder if tyrande is gonna be a b!tch after Sylvanas completes her atonement and force her to live in the maw forevermore. I'm both hoping for it and hoping against it: hoping for, just so blizz finally, for once, makes an alliance character evil, but hoping against it because people deserve 2nd chances and don't want to see Sylvanas doomed forever, especially since her life has been rough as well.
Oh, no, we want Sylvanas doomed forever. It's more than she deserves after everything she's done. Tyrande should have just killed her, but we'll work her first before her death. I pray sylvanas never comes back in any significant capacity.
Since I first heard her song in Vanilla, I have pledged myself to Sylvanas. I have trusted that she knew what she was doing, and had a greater reason for doing it. There should be daily to help her collect souls in the Maw, keeping a count across all players, alts, and servers. I would be there first thing every morning, serving my Dark Lady! #simp4Sylvanas
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Tyrande should of also said to Sylvanas "Oh and no mounts, and you have a daily limit"
Sylvanas would have the Gob's "I've made a huge mistake" moment
I mean in theory she has to do it on her own, so the no Mount part might have just been implied.
A grammar tip it is "should have" no "should of".
@@cameronmcewen7192 - You're spamming every thread again.
@@cameronmcewen7192 - Calling you out for spamming because you're spamming is not the same as attacking or trolling. =) Grow up.
It’s an interesting point that Sin’dane makes about necromancy not being limited to Death magic, taking into consideration that we’ve seen every single one of the Six Forced being someone back to life: a naaru reanimating Calia, many instances of Void risen undead in BfA and Aegwynn bringing Medivh back by using Arcane power and sacrificing her own life essence to do so
It's pretty much common knowledge, I think, that cosmic beings can use any magic they learn. Why wouldn't a naaru resurrect Calia instead of reanimating her though, considering the contention between the Light and death?
I suppose it fits if death magic is the cheap and flawed way of doing it. If Calia was too important to the naaru for some reason, and didn't have enough power at hand for a full rez, it's good enough. That would make sense.
It could have also just been a case of, "Oh she's a major human figure, from Lordaeron, and she's not undead, that doesn't make any sense; she's undead now, fixed it, derp", which I really can't put past them.
what about the power of life magic? a life magic undeath sounds very wrong, i can imagine undead-like beings raised by life magic, but those wouldn't be undead, more like living things like roots or fungus or whatever moving a corpse like a marionette, but those things would be alive and the corpse would not be animated, it would only appear to be.
Like if you tried to use life magic to bring back someone i guess that either you bring them back as actually living beings and not undead, or you end up with your life magic changing to its opposite death magic in the process, in which case it would only be a overcomplicated way of normal death magic necromancy
Good too have u back with great videos
It's not necromancy that is the shared unity of the Forsaken, it's experiencing the same hardships in the cursed existence. Calia had a short time in fear during the Scourge invasion, but she has never been Forsaken by friends and family. Even now she is being accepted by the majority.
tldr: sylvanas got herself some therapy and was sent to find her boytoi.
Also does anyone else feels like the horde turns more into a democracy where freedom is actually a thing...where the alliance starts to look more like a fascist on the making? and yes I'm looking at yrel and turalyon on this...not to mention the other "leaders" of the alliance had pretty much nothing to say in any matters cuz what Varyan said it goes.
Anduin will go mad no doubt about it...
wtf i really thought sylvanas and anduan were going to get it on there
"Then tell us the price, and it shall be paid"
* Proceeds to bounce in place *
That took me offguard
right? too much effort to delay the idle animation, or remove it for lore characters like that?
I went back to re-watch that. My throat hurts now from the chortle.
"No my friend... can... can you stop bouncing while I'm talking..."
"Look at me Ysera :D! I can bounce :D!"
Ohh man, hearing Nobbles voice talking about WoW lore just hits different. Reminds me of good times and has a lot of nostalgia to it. It feels very comforting.
Makes me cry tears of joy.
The man has a voice as powerful as Morgan Freemans
CRINGE.
True that, mang, true that
@@TheCynicalB ok kid
I'm sorry but Tyrande doing the idle night elf dance during a deep and emotional talk with Ysera just sent me 😂😩
Omf, when will Blizzard remove that animation, ffs?! T^T They _know_ it's bad; they've not given it to anyone else, they cut it from the Nightborne, and they don't use it in a single cinematic, so they must know! Just axe it already! >-
@@seleuf wtf no. Cut it from Trynda or cut scenes but not from the nightelf
@@BleachRush Compromise: Cut as idle animation but add as /bounce
@@shamanicdude8605 Yes, hilarious and accurate ^^
Bahaha I was looking for this comment.
"Easy girl, tone it down"
"All deserve a chance at redemption."
Arthas: 😠
Thank you Blizzard for dragging one of my favorite characters through the mud over so many years.
I've loved the sylvanas character since she stood next to varimathras and I had to collect an undead apothecary as a lowbie with no quest addons.
What a mighty character ruined by irresponsible writing.
I refuse to consider her lore, or any lore at all, between the start of bfa and the end of SL. We killed the Legion, Sylvanas dissappeared and we don't know why, now we're helping dragons, yay
@@sovereign126 exactly they didn't know what to do with their best female character, what a shame
@@elunaxalt yes love this
It's so hard to take Tyrande's hardcore edge seriously when that she does that cute little night elf hopping
It reminds us she's still a night elf afterall lol
Yeah
I'm still kinda salty that she's a vengeful beast
lol I was just commenting about that with my friend, it is so funny.
Anduin has doubts about his faith in the Light because of being Dominated and now wants to take a break to figure stuff out? Damn if only there was someone who was strong in the Light, that also willingly contained Domination magic within himself to save the world, and was slowly being corrupted by it through the years, and also happened to be a mentor/father figure to Anduin. I'm pretty sure said character could really help Anduin find peace 🤔🤔🤔
(Yes, I'm still incredibly salty that Bolvar got reduced to a simple exposition man and Sylvanas punching bag and Blizzard won't explore more facets of his character like losing the Light and how the Dragonfire works, instead barely giving scraps of badly written family drama)
Maybe they'll explore the Dragonfire in DragonFlight?
@@tf2010zf That would actually mean they planned things. I would love to see this, and love to see better writing, but sadly somehow I doubt it will happen. Maybe they proof me wrong...
@@Rakshiir yeah I doubt it aswell tbh haha
Worse is that Anduin's case may lead to him becoming like Arthas, since Arthas' soul was used to dominate him.
I never played the end of SL, but are you telling me that Bolvar didnt fight or help Anduin?
Sylvanas’s punishment is what blizzard made us do in the first patch of shadowlands 😂
They were punishing us for hating BFA
@@BleachRush "so you said BFA was bad, eat shit now you wimp"
@@BleachRush "Oh you thought THAT was bad? Let's see how you feel after the next expansion we have in store"
So
I get Sylvanas needed a fitting punishment
But sending 1 person to get everyone out of the Maw is a pretty shit deal for the people stuck there.
Imagine how many souls waiting in line to be help, and how long it will take. Sounds weird to tell that Tyrande really cares her people, like Uther says is it vengeance or justice they seek? Well, but Tyrande was always clear at first she seek vengeance lol
@@cameronmcewen7192 Vengeance is a cold knife, justice is an iron cell. One can be about as bad as the other if ya ask me but she deserved far worse.
I've a feeling they've done it this way so we'll "revisit" the the shadowlands in the future but I really pray they don't go "Muwahaha you thought she was redeemed but no she's in charge again!". I mean unlikely but... this is blizzard we're talking about.
Yep, really proves uthers point about justice vs vengeance. Now this will bite us in the ass so hard in the future, but ayy maybe then people will have different opinions on shadowlands.
@@arcamean785 Unlikely? I'm guessing you didn't see the reveal about the primus. We 100% are going to have to deal with this eventually.
I have to say, I've always been impressed by the range of Sylvanas' voice actress but damn, Tyrande's is incredibly good as well. She can portrait so much depth of emotion, I love it.
I would assume most voice actors can, but in WoW (and Warcraft 3) they're not really allowed to. They're always directed to be so subdued.
@@mokarokas-1727 For classic and the first three expansions, most of the voices were done by company staff just like that, so they didn't have professional voice actors.
@@badass6300 - This goes for Warcraft 3 too, it's not just that: they talk so quietly even when large emotions are expressed. Like they're trying not to wake someone up in the next room. :D That's not on the actor, that's on the director.
In terms of voice acting Blizz hired some talented people back then, who are still around.
It`s not only in Warcraft, but also Starcraft for example. Writing is not the best in WoW for some time, and SC also had some issues with the story in the end (in my opinion) but those voice actors sure do their best.
@@cameronmcewen7192 - And here you are again, with yet another account, spamming the same misinformation. You don't speak for any actresses, and there's no animated series in the works. Stop spamming.
one of the worst expansion lore wise. holy moly everything and everyone forgave sylvanas and went along with it. and arthas was just a wisp. ffs.
i think thats good, i dont think we should give a fuck about arthas in 2022, why bother? let it be
@@yankokassinof6710because it's insane for them to basically give Sylvanas a pass back in, acknowledging the jailers influence. Then let her tell arthas off (like he was any worse?), to be forgotten. He's also arguably the better character.
I know why Sylvania has its and athras doesn't. Think athras got killed, but she doesn't.
I mean Sylvanas was killed and brought back as a banshee by arthas, she didn't have a choice. Arthas took frostmourne by choice, also her motivation was low-key nice, Arthas was technically more of a bad guy imho.
As bad as Sylvanas is, Arthas was a lot worse. Arthas doesn’t deserve redemption.
So again: If Sylvanas actions really were her own, was it really the Jailor saying "all will serve" for the 15th time that tipped her off to this being a bad idea?
If you think she's telling the truth, you haven't paid attention. She was double speaking. Half of her soul was dominated, half was held hostage. She had ZERO choice, period.
Imagine this: I take the good half of your soul prisoner. Then I use magic to force your bad half to do as I demand. You are magically compelled, against your will, to do my bidding, therefore you "chose to do my bidding," because I forced you to choose that. So she is telling the truth...or at least...half of it.
Having ALL of herself now returned, NOW all her decisions are her own. So why would she double speak then, knowing full well the implications. Well, you see, little Casual, that is because she knows EXACTLY what Pelagos and Tyrande would do. She even states it: "Death would be merciful. But you aren't going to be merciful, Tyrande." Then what does Tyrande do? EXACTLY what Sylvanas said she'd do, NOT BE MERCIFUL. Sylvanas played Tyrande like a fucking fiddle. Sylvanas is EXACTLY where Sylvanas wants to be: The Maw. The source of her power. She is in charge now, or at least...she thinks she is. Or perhaps, she knows she's just the Jailers puppet, and that she replaced Zovaal. The thing is, Zovaal wasn't the Jailer, The Primus is. And he and Denathrius are very, very free now, and still plotting. Their scapegoat now used up, their plans only just completing phase 1 of their Ultimate goal.
You're going to be in for a wild punch to the gut when this all comes to a head. Sylvanas will be doing absolutely ZERO suffering or penance. She is either still Dominated, or choosing to serve one of, if not THE greatest mastermind in all of Reality: The Primus, who predicted absolutely everything, which means he also predicted this. Like it or not, this is the story. It's greater than people can clearly comprehend, and I can't wait to see the next phase of his masterplan. Zovaal seems like a shallow character not because he is, but because he is meant to appear that way. Blizzard's writers aren't stupid; this is all by grand design. All you have seen, is a fractal.
Sylvanas regained her free will after Illidan wounded the Lich King, and in Edge of Night, her corpse was re-reanimated with her entire soul. Disregard all the booolshiet.
Also, let's laugh our asses off how Blizzard continuously asserted, emphatically, all throughout BFA and Shadowlands that she was strong and independent, until they went back on it at the last second. 😂
I don't care if Syl is strong or not, these cop outs are just bad writing. At least they saved her in the canon for all her parasocial fans.
All will serve = everything dies at one point and by that comes under the rule of death, nothing else.
Also Sylvanas has more than enough reason to go against such a terrible system for mortals that leave no escape.
And while things didn't work out as she wanted, she still reached a lot and improved the system by a lot.
She kows, that none of her enemies would ever see that, so she just gives away her judgement to her biggest enemy, so none could say anything afterwards anymore - and by that close that chapter.
Wasn't perfect for her, afterall she had hoped for freeing mortals completely from these chains, but at least it's much better than before.
@@Levitiy Her soul is pretty whole, the little fragment she was given back still left a wound and when it rejoins, as it was frozen in time, it delivers an unique view on her whol way from ranger general to the banshee queen who was willing to sacrifice thousands and more to bring down the injust system of death.
Something her ranger general self is unable to understan of course, especially because it lacks all the insight her older self has earned - and was (de)formed by.
And no, it's no bad writign at all, you people just love to throw shit and got clearly no clue of good writing.
I never heared anything interesting from any of your crybabies. All that comes from you is "THAT'S SHIT! THAT'S SHIT! THAT'S SHIT!", so the standard social media degenerate.
@@miriamweller812 I'm glad someone gets it. Because it's either that, or she was intentionally infiltrating the Maw, to replace Zovaal one day. It's absolutely something she'd do. But maybe now that she has her other half of her soul again, her plans have changed. Her manipulative half was all we've seen since she threw herself off ICC in Wrath. It explains everything. Now she should be more like she was from her resurrection in WC3, all the way to ICC. It's a great way for Blizzard to return Sylvanas to how she used to be, so the next time we see her active in the min story again, she's gonna be instantly loved by the entire community all over again. I have and always will love her character, she's extremely interesting.
After “Sylvanas” book hearing her say “little lion” somehow feel little different.
Can you elaborate a bit ? Sounds like those two have a connection ?
@@Trashloot In a book Sylvanas reminisce about the past and very often talk about her little brother Lirath Windrunner and how she feels like she failed him.
And most of the time she address him as "Little Lord Sun"--a nickname with similarities to her nickname for Anduin, "Little Lion." Between the nickname, golden hair, deep blue eyes, and similar mindset they very alike.
Really hope the night elves get a brand spankin new Teldrassil planted in or near the dragon isles, which houses a "New Darnassus" and also a brand new Night Elf starting zone experience.
I'd rather they build up around Nordrassil. Night elves need to stop planting world trees, 3/4 of them turned out terrible for the world. Maybe they could reclaim felwood and turn it into something more in line with darnassus and the druid class hall.
Friggin greenies and their special tree here and special trees there, they are just tree's!
Long eared hippies!
@@nathans9764 THIS. Idk why tf they need a new tree. Like it makes sense as to why Teldrassil was planted (Fandral and his druids wanting their immortality back) but it makes absolutely no sense to have another one now. Just fortify Hyjal, work harder on purifying Felwood and because it's Dragonflight and Ysera's back, get her, Alexstrasza and Nozdormu (maybe even Kalec too since the highborne are back into night elf society, to make their mages more powerful) to bless Nordrassil again and make them finally reclaim their immortality and immunity to sickness and disease. They deserve it after the constant losses they've been enduring since the start of WoW
"the flow of souls into the maw has stopped" > two min after, sylvanas jumps into the flow of souls going into the maw. The lack of care with details is very representative of everything related to lore in this expansion.
I'm pretty sure the flow is built into Oribos itself on the map file. It might be hard to remove it
@@Usagi33353 maybe, but one would assume this should have been the ending they were expecting to reach and be prepared for it (insert illidan meme here)
That's not the flow of souls, that's just the gateway to the Maw. For the Arbiter to send souls down there, should it choose so.
I think what he meant was no more souls will be sent to the maw , Sylvanas is only collecting them so they can be sent to their rightful afterlife
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this timeline is dead to me but I'll never stop watching the loremaster who inspired me to be better at learning azeroth's story and history. Besides, my timeline can always use the last glimmers of truly decent lore left in modern blizzard's trainwreck. Thank you for covering it, even though I'm sure you, like me are pained by what it has become
Setting lore aside, its funny how Tyrande is hopping (the night elf idle animation) while Ysera explains to her the sacrifice needed to bring her back, and how her people need her.
She's just stimming, dw it means she's paying attention
Tyrand and Ysera are discussing something of the utmost importance....
and then Tyrande starts hoping.
I lost it 😂
Thank you so much for putting this together, Nobbel! I am ready to move beyond BFA and Shadowlands and hopefully into a better new storyline. This really helps put all those insane threads into a neat ball of yarn that I can tuck away somewhere. Excellent work, as always!
It still doesn't feel like they have a cohesive plot or are writing more than one content patch at a time. I'd be surprised if they know how they plan to end this new expansion or what the story of the story of the following expansion will be about. I'll come back to play the new expansion for about a month but I doubt the story or the end game will catch my attention.
Lillian Voss is one of THE BEST characters and her story has been so fun to watch ever since she was 1st introduced.
Yup. As someone who played in Cata and played through the starting zone when she was first introduced, seeing her growth has been really cool.
I was always hoping that Lillian Voss would step into a leadership role for the Forsaken after Sylvanas left, I'm still not sure how I feel about a council, but at least Lillian is on it.
I dunno really, what "growth"? She had a nice arc coming to terms with herself in Cata+MoP, then came back out of nowhere in BfA as a military leader, mostly to sometimes drop in and say how hard it is to be Forsaken and why they deserve sympathy. Good thing, but not really character development.
@@mokarokas-1727 She went from cowering at her own reflection to a powerful assassin and champion of her people. That’s growth if I’ve ever seen it
@@AlunKahul - Oh for sure, but we haven't really seen the second part of this growth. It happened off-screen, she wasn't even part of the Forsaken when we last saw her before her popping up in BfA.
Tyrande's face at 2:42 really got me lol
ikr haha that derp face
like "problem sir?" with the problem face meme lol
Oh boy. We just had a faction leader doubt himself out of his birthpower. Now Anduin will have so much doubt he'll turn to shadows for a while? Like Thrall with the Elements when he became a warrior for a while?
And he'll have a strange relationship with Sylvanas and quest chain that explains it and also further develops it and we'll have Sylvanduin babies in no time
@@bigthonk735
Well, the Windrunners seem to have this weird thing for human males. So it ain't that farfetched.
That said cuckolding Nathanos with Anduin could be such as bitch move that I can't see the new "good" Sylvannas doing it.
@@hisokamorow6709 did Nathanos hit tho?
@@bigthonk735
Somewhere I read that they did idd do the deed, something about she asking for his "company" at his "place".
Now if u ask me if the undead can bump uglies?
I wanna say yes, but probably not (question mark?)
I mean even if Nathanos PP doesn't work, he still got fingers and a mouth, am I right?
@@hisokamorow6709 especially if undead can exchange parts then he could be packing some shmeat
As much as the overall story of SL was…eh
I think the epilogue was really good. Still had issues but instead of one big wrap up, they made sure to have a wrap for every major story.
That poor owl lol.
Seems like the end of Shadowlands isn't nearly as terribly written as the exp itself. And you just know they'll bring Ysera and Sylvannas back one day
I'm glad blizzard woke the fuck up on that killing character off was a bad idea, they brought Illidan back and put him on the shelf, in case of emergency, so it's Yzera and Sylvannas.
They brought ysera back
I like how Lillian’s speech about the undead being her family mirrors… I think it was Thassarian referring to Koltira Deathweaver where he said “we are brothers in death.”
Yes! I have been depraved of my lore time for far too long, always helped me relax after a hard day
@@cameronmcewen7192I'll have to go take a look at the channel, but I also watch nobbel for lore now that he's returned
So wait a minute.. does that mean that Bolvar was raised into undeath using necromancy but with fire magic instead of death magic or light magic? The margrave said that necromancy is necromancy no matter what type of magic is used.. did Alexstraza use necromancy?
he didnt even die. hes not undead as far as i know. he got infected with the plague, was about to die and then alextrasza came and burned him and the plague, but the fire of the red dragons is a form of life magic kind of :D thats my take at least.
I don't think so, Bolvar's body was being ravaged by Putress' blight and the heat of Red Dragonflight flames (while they have been described as having both purifying and rejuvenating properties, the renewal is mostly shown to affect plant growth). As a paladin, he may have attempted to heal/purify himself, further adding to an already unstable/uncontrolled mixture of magical energies. I suspect the end result was that in healing damage done by the flames and blight, the magic(s) were focused on 'preservation of life' rather than truly healing Bolvar's body, and so countless patches of scar tissue formed.
I think that he didn't actually die, so he wasn't raised to undeath by necromancy, but rather 'lowered' to a state between life and death 'equivalent' to undeath.
I don't think it was wittingly. So kinda.
The dragonfire and blight probably transmuted each other's effects in the time it took to burn the fumes away.
Krasus/Korialstrasz raises a man from undeath (temporarily) in the books for information, and mentions that life and death are two sides of the same coin. Dragon life magic isn't much different from the other kinds available, it's just more primal. That said, I don't think Bolvar died and was resurrected so much as "prevented from dying". You know, like dragon-spiced beef jerky. Which might be why he's so mad about it.
Technically he never died; he just almost died.
perhaps the only good thing to come out of Shadowlands, excellent lore videos from Nobbel so no one will ever have to play this wretched content ever again
God damn it, as much as I hate to say it, Sylvanas accepting her actions and not blaming it on the Jailer is pretty commendable.
For those that have read Brandon Sanderson's Oathbringer will perhaps recognize "You can not have my pain!" and how it can relate here somewhat.
Please don't ever compare Dalinar and Sylvanas again. Lol
But I see your point.
the only thing in shadowlands
that was ever good
but still
Battle for azeroth was better
and UGHHHHHHHHHH
REDEEM YOURSELVES BLIZZARDS
AND GET OUT OF MICROSFOT
wow that made me realize that the final sections of all sanderson stories have basically the same catchphrases
still gonna buy em though
@@OmniMon94 Get out of Microsoft? Genuinely not sure if you think Microsoft had anything to do with how bad Shadowlands was or not. But the truth is that no, Microsoft hasn't even touched anything Blizzard at all. This was all Blizzard's own mess. If anything I personally think that Microsoft will be able to save Blizzard from themselves. I mean they've legit done good with both ESO and my god the work they did to help Fallout 76 recover...
@@ras8472 oh ok
But did they fix EA
The story/plot of Shadowlands sucked. The character moments of Shadowlands are fucking AWESOME.
Sylvanas really went from interesting morally grey character to a bad vilain.
Her becoming a villain was always bound to happen.
The problem was more in to what type of villain they turned her in
@@JamailvanWestering I dont know, in Legion they did a good job in making her that " I'll do bad things so that my people and the horde would survive ". Even the burning of Teldrassil was a good idea and even though it's arguably not a good thing to burn down innocent, the way they first said it was " I was supposed to kill Tyrande and Malfurion to make it so the elves would be so desperate that they wouldn't engage in the war for Azerite. But some green idiot fucked it up ". But then they said " nah it was the plan all along ". Riot and retcons are synonymous but when it came to this specific character we went to that depressed person only wanting revenge to not as depressed and now wanting her people to survive to depressed and wanting everyone to die because the joker and bad writing.
@@professeurmythologeek7695 Sylvanus had always been about her own survival first.
Sylvanus never treated The Horde as allies back when they first joined but more like necessary allies, The Horde used The Forsaken as a beach head in Eastern Kingdoms but did see them as equals, she never did.
Need I remind you she kept producting and experimenting with the blight.
She forced and jailed Koltira.
She was driven by revenge until after the defeat from Arthas. What happened after that no one really knows because she stopped being involved or interesting as much.
(I found her more annoying than interesting)
@@JamailvanWestering i'd argue that once again Legion showed something else. Not just some self centered goal but a true wish for the horde and the forsaken to survive, she said herself that when she tried to enslave Eyir she did because her people couldn't reproduce. And if she was just doing all this for her own self, she wouldn't sacrifice one of her banshee for Nathanos.
And for Koltira, the guy was friend with a member of the alliance making him a possible spy so, he deserved it.
I'm fairly certain that when they started working on Shadowlands they were like " Oh shit Sylvanas isn't that evil of a character, we need to make her sound like a bad cartoon vilain " and invented the whole thing with the bald bdsm death guy.
@@professeurmythologeek7695 she didn’t really change, basically she became more self centered (heck the Cenarion Circle and the Earthen Ring were looking for ways of curing them )
These shitty ass lore stories from bfail and Systemlands are not worthy of Nobbel time efforts. I hoped so much to be wrong and blizz shut my mouth with a hit of storytelling up to the last patch only to sadly realized to be right all along to be disappointed about the new lore directions.
Shadowlands had alot of very great climaxes with well made cutsceens but they all end up feeling unearned, so little time too explain charackter motivation and actually showing whats happening. Its like the game we play and the story they show dont actually fit togheter
This seed stuff... just feels so empty to me. Souls that, per lore we had for over a decade, never should have even gone there but stayed on Azeroth? This dependency of Shadowlands to give the Night Elves any kind of renewal, when they are a people who picked themselves up from worst events in their past than anything in WoW, without really needing divine intervention so much as guidance and wisdom to rebuild. Years of having our lore and characters trashed, and they simply try to throw us another world tree, ignoring that the actual narrative of Teldrassils history was against the arrogance of planting new world trees at all... I mean, I'm sure it'll graphically be pretty. But seems like it will fly in the face of the original meaning of the lore its trying to rip off, where they could have just remembered OG night elf lore and returned their focus to Nordrassil.
Shadowlands, and the minds that allowed it to exist in these forms even outside its main story, are gonna haunt this setting and games story until the end I reckon.
Yep, cleansing of Felwood and settling of Mount Hyjal. Night Elves are a people, not a tree. Decimated as they are, there will be plenty of room for them without one. I would rather see them and the Forsaken splitting from the Alliance and Horde to focus on rebuilding on their own.
@@mikfhan hell if we wanna just avoid the issue entirely of a small population like they do with Tauren or Darkspear, just have a lot of hidden villages throughout the regions that saw how absurdly suspicious Fandral and Teldrassil were and just stayed in their communities. The maps, especially vanilla era ones, aren't comprehensive, they can't possibly be.
I feel very frustrated watching this, seeing Shadowlands the entire expansion was made just to redeem Sylvanas. Blizz wanted to show Jailer as a greatest evil and source of our suffering, but instead of writing him as a interesting character, writers focused on writing him badly enough to force Sylavans to betray him. Even the death of Big Bad Warcraft wasn't the culmination of the Great Warcraft Saga but instead Judgment of Sylvanas. Uther, Anduin, Tyrande, almost every cinematic in last 2 years was supposed to make us feel sympathy for her, but she missed that opportunity when she looked at the burning Teldrasill in one of the most expensive BFA cinematic, with a smile on her face. We've wasted two years make her a Villain and next two we was forced watch like writers try to fix it. Honestly I don't wanna Sylvanas to come back. She was the face of two most controversial Expansion in terms of lore. Let them not kill her, but she cannot come back. She may appear like an easter egg, but her return will do more harm than good.
you traumatized? lmao
jokes aside i personally dont care if she comes back or not, i can see good in both so long as its well written, she can just be a different character from now on and letting her rest for 1 (preferably 2) expansion (s) probably would do good to detach her renewed perspective from the garbage we were served since BFA and SL, so i do think that her returnal could add to the story again, but only if blizz let her rest and make something refreshing about her, also never again put the spotlight on her, coz that has proven to be a bad idea
it doesn't help that during the bfa storyline the lead writer Kinda just went off the deep end and said screw the future and did whatever he wanted
Not the most “controversial” expansion, the *worst* expansion.
Shadowlands was a gigantic heap of discount versions of things we already had, but that they insisted were somehow better. "Titan +++" entities with identical roles to titans. Rip off scourge, rip off emerald dream, rip off holy afterlife and High Heavens from d3... it just feels like an insult to everything that already existed for them to push so God damn hard about how vital these things are. How "everything you like is dependent on them." But then you read the lore of places like the Emerald Dream, and you realize it's prior lore before Shadowlands already had it perform every function of Ardenweald on its own. Everything they made was reductive to the things we knew about. Sargeras, the mad titan? Well he's just a pawn of Zovaal the Mad Eternal One.
Their handling of the Sylvannas treatment compared to how they handled Arthas and his legacy are the best examples of this to me. They were willing to steamroll everything that made his story interesting to try and salvage her lol.
Considering there's a timeskip, she's 100% coming back, sadly.
Isn't the whole point of the Arbiter to be impartial? Isn't Pelagos super biased towards Bastion on account of having spent an eternity there?
Now we know characters killed on all Warcraft games go to Shadowlands instead of be finished for good. Kel'thuzad became a running joke , killed 3 times. We find Lady Vash and Kael Thanas... we should pay a visit to Garrosh too. Shadowlands wounded Warcraft badly.
oh man i love lilian voss , she feels so real the voice acting and how wise she is after all she went through
So its confirmed we get a timeskip, 3 years? I kinda had hoped for longer. Like a decade or more, give the time to come up with some actually original characters, villians and storylines
When you consider the whole of WoW's lore happened over the span of seven years, "just" three years is a pretty big timeskip. Imagine if you had been frozen in time during the BC expansion, and then you wake up with the Lich King dead, Azeroth shattered and disfigured here and there and a freaking race of Pandas which was thought to be a legend now part of your own Faction. Oh and you also have an Invasion coming from beyond the Dark Portal, AGAIN, but this time it comes from Past Draenor.
@@Lorfo11 yeah not a fan of the 7 years either considering the multiple world wars, apoclypses etc its just a strange time management for so many events, makes it feel like the previous events had no meaning
@@TheHorreK2 I can get behind WoD taking barely a year :') But for everything else, it's pretty damn short.
Its kinda funny that the Horde are the ones moving toward a republican and democratic form of government first rather than the Alliance.
2:43
That's the face of someone VERY angry.
Even if Dragonflight lore is spectacular, I don't think I'll ever be able to get invested in WoW lore as deeply as before after how they treated N'zoth and Arthas. Absolutely shameful writing.
I hadn't even bothered watching these cinematics after the downhill stroll the lore took with the Jailer. Honestly though,that was good!
It did bring back emotions for Warcraft I thought long gone.Nobbel, I salute you sir!
I think that the lore got overshadowed by the Jailer and how poorly he was written. At it's core though, Warcraft has always been a really fun and simple fantasy story. Legion/BfA/Shadowlands has finally given Blizzard a chance to put all of those stories to rest and move on. A time skip is exactly what the universe needs. How will all of this play out and how will the new loose ends shake out? I don't know. Maybe it will be terrible, but I am excited to see regardless!
Man I hope they fired whoever wrote the sludge that is shadowlands.
Old Warcraft would have had Tyrande behead Sylvanas.
The writing is so horrible now.
The writers wrote those stories for Blizzard Heads not for customers or fans
And I still refuse to acknowledge Shadowlands "lore".
for as much of a trainwreck that is the SL story, i was surprised to see the 9.2.5 story concluding it in a satisfying way.
You forgot to mention Calia's letter to Genn Greymane. Only Alliance players got that part.
lol 13:38
Necromantic racism? Did they just make that official lore?
Even in death we remain racist.
“I ekshhhpecht no lesh.” I know she can’t help it, but good god that voice gets on my nerves. But, I hate Tyrande “Shit Don’t Stink” Whisperwind so much more.
having to relive shadowlands lore now makes this the 2nd worst 9/11 ever
LMAO
I bet the writer thinks he's very clever.
This story sounds like a lot of fart inhalation.
Sylvanas will at some point run into Arthas in the Maw, no?
This lore is so bad. Nobbel is great, but this video was hard to go through, because of the weird stuff they are doing with great characters, a these weird new ones.
Back after 7 months, still needed to skip some bits coz I was cringing the whole time.
One thing I wondered at, was why was Sylvanas allowed a graceful swan dive into the Maw, and I always fell down like a sack of spuds?
Loved the interaction between Calia and Lilian. Very heartening.
Lovely video, thank you! ❤
I think at some point Silvanas and Ilidan will come back and side by side will help us for something big, maybe in the next expansion, another big character will leave us and return in the future with Ilidan and Silvanas
I wanna shit show scenario. i.e
"We were all lied to, all the 6 "pantheons" are out for their own, light, shadow, death, etc, it matters not, our only allegiance is to ourselves and by proxy, Azeroth"
An expansion in which WE are the aggressors and bring the axe to other realms.
Thank god they ended Illidan on the best last expansion (Legion) Imagine if he went along BFa and Shadowlands, he would become a cuck like Bolvar and every other "Body type 1" Character
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I'm glad I have Nobel to explain this. The story was very confusing.
BFA cured me of ever touching this game again, but seeing what Shadowlands has done for the game still hurts. Might have been me but I noticed that sentiment in your voice in this video.
13:45 HOLD ON, there’s no difference between death magic and the light when it comes to reanimation? That feels really wrong for some reason.
It makes sense in a way.
Necromancy: Using magic, any type of magic, to reanimate a body.
Kel'thuzad was using Arcane magic to reanimate dead rats BEFORE knowing the Lich King.
@@nazarenogualco1199 except that gives us the twisted fel-like magic that death knights and necromancers use.
It’s some real leaps and bounds to take to say that necromancy is necromancy, so I’m assuming the writers and subsequently the maldraxis person has no idea what they’re saying…
It feels so terribly wrong… it’s a terrible way to write lore
>raises dead with void
>raises dead with light
"no difference"
lmao. Yeah, clown tier writing
@@vladsvids4290 There may be difference in appearance. The light, as seen with Calia, resurrects people very much intact.
The one that we know, the Scourge kind of necromancy, resurrects the bodies rotting.
The void may resurrect people with very void-y looks. An extra eye or something.
Or, infused with shadows, as seen in WoD with Ner'zhul.
in the beta it was leaked that malfurion dies to bring ysera back lmaooo what a terrible story
I have to say, I wouldn't think I would grow to like Calia Menethil's story. I think they did a good job with it.
He did the thing!! He did the thing and did the "Hallo Everyone!"
Arthas did nothing wrong and gets obliterated, what a load of crap.
It was hard to forgive blizzard for what they did to my dark lady 👸
The saddest thing is, taking Sylvanas out of the equation could have fixed SO MANY story issues in WoW ever since Wrath. She's a shit character hoisted up by a single simp in the company and a herd of fanboys. Hell, 90% of the story issues in Shadowlands were either because of her, or because they needed to try and make up a reason/justification for forgiving her.
They fucking drug Anduin and Tyrande through the mud to say "See, not everyone is perfect!", even though being RIGHTFULLY pissed about someone committing attempted genocide on your race and being controlled by Plotholes are way less fucked up than
Wierdly enough i think all these parts story wise is better than all of the Zoval-parts of shadowlands expansion together
I do enjoy how the end of the Shadowlands went, much to the contrast of the rest of the expansion went. It feels much better imo
Thanks for the content. I stopped playing years ago, but I check in with you regularly so that I can keep up with the stories. Thanks for what you do.
Haha, at the 22:00 mark Tyrande just starts hopping like a bunny in the middle of Ysera's heartfelt words.
you're a very brave and patient man, Nobbel - I don't think I would have the fortitude to discuss this toxic mess without breaking down half way through
Tyrande bouncing in place while having a serious conversation with a former aspect of dreams....i can't.....🤣
Watching Tyrande, Shandris and Ysera have a deep conversation at the end of the video about life and death while their character models do that stupid little Night Elf bounce looks so stupid to me. Blizzard really need to do something about that. It looks especially goofy on some of the big important NPCs.
Nah I like how bouncy night elves are 👀
Oh thanks a lot.
I didn’t know there’s stuff about Tyrande at the end.
Anyways, I’m surprised that Nathanos went missing the entire expansion. Everything thought he would find Sylvanas in the Shadowlands.
So... the jailor's domination didn't fade when Anduin slamed his sword into the Archon. The domination paused because Anduin was actually enjoying and wanting to do it, so the domination did not needed to be used at that moment. Then he realised this and got probably confused or horrified or something that the domination kicked in again to control him.
Yes we do know that the light in Anduin was strong enough to resist the Jailor's power, and it manifested durring its raidboss fight to become free. Still back in the day Anduin was kinda bad boy, if you remember old classic when he was just a kid. Also harsh on the black dragonflight guy too, and slamed that shield troll to dust and was also indifferent of the bloodied sword too before Sylvanas. So yeah plenty of points to the dark side.
About Sylvanas. She was sadly a 1 dimensional character, but funny enough she actually got the only single thing she wanted, well 2 technically, okay 3, lol.
1. She saw Arthass in the Maw exposed to such punishment that she herself had some taste of that every action she ever did since served only a single purpouse, to avoid that fate in the maw. Now she is actually fully resurected living mortal with countless milenia ahead of her in a situation and power and knowledge that she literally cannot die as nothing there can ever hope to harm her, and even if she somehow managed to find difficulty, Tyrande of all people would need to intervene so she could resume the souls savings, and since this thing will last pretty much forever just means that shes set trough and trough to never experience herself the suffering and what she does is likelly not a torture or anything, also when she talked with Anduin it was clear that shes not phased by anthing down there or her job.
2. She will eventually find her love who got killed by Tyrande and she can reunite with him and probably share this near eternal toil and probably find many good moments with an even more eternal soul by her side, almost like a happy ending really. She even say herself this that she will find her love.
3. And lastly, she wanted revenge on Arthas for doing all that crap to her and her people. Which she kinda had, she had the opurnity to be the very last thing that ever connected to Arthas, and not just saw his actually full on death, but being contemt with forgiveness or anything you wannna call her finally being able to move on from this tragedy. And hey Arthas is 100% fully totally unreversabelly totally gone, not dead but litreally ereased from existence, yet shes still kicking, actually alive, and safe and sound with a lifetime job and potentially spending it with her hubby. She got the better ending, while Arthas had no saying or hope or choice and was actaully tortured for a lot long as time then her. So yeah.
Even funnier that due to her powers, she likelly way way outlive her sisters and all other humans or orks and pretty much everyone :D
Anduin has been characterized as an unwilling sovereign who isnt comfortable with absolute power, and The Super Lesbian is literally EVERYTHING he hates about his duties as an autocrat.
The only real problem I have with this lore is the Uther line about "do the want Justice or Vengeance?" Sylvanus started a war with the specific intention to transfer all the souls of the dead to a place where they'd suffer eternal torment all to provide "fuel" to a being that was going to unmake reality. Even those she didn't have a direct hand in killing (which would be in the millions maybe?), she was still part of a plot that consigned tens (or maybe even hundreds) of millions of souls across the universe to that fate. Not sure looking down on the victims who are like "please just execute this evil person" is a good look for good old Bluther, especially since Sylvanus herself admits that she wasn't influenced to do it, she did it all with her own free will when given the possible out by the Arbiter. What she did was literally the most evil thing that anyone has probably ever done in the entire Warcraft Universe...getting the death penalty hardly seems like an over-reach of authority.
Why the hell do so many people continue to call her 'Sylvanus'?
i like the improvement in actual lip syncing compared to even the beginning of this expansion
I'm waiting more of Scourge lore since without the Helm of domination (we could have upgraded) to control them, they run loose once again.
We see a bit of that with the Blood elf Campaign released in 9.2.5, basically powerful members of the scourge will try and take control of it it seems
Still can't believe that turning the Helm into a Burger King hat was more important than tying up that loose end. Would be mighty handy to have it should the San'layn, the Ymirjar, or frost wyrms launch raids in the future.
Aaah the return of the legend I can finally enjoy the lore again no matter how memable it is ... THANK UU NOBBEL
18:03 Another victim of Rykard
3:25 Baine sneezing in the background
2:44 Sylnvanas' actions are justified after seeing Tyrande's face
Bro what the FUCK is going on there lmao. She looks like a burnt survivor of Teldressil.
Nobbel, I cannot rightly express my thanks for you returning to explaining WoW lore. I fell out of love with WoW during BfA, struggled and failed to rekindle that love during Shadowlands. Still, I cannot give up on WoW. Maybe it is nothing more than the sunk cost fallacy, I cannot say. But as it stands, your lore videos are all that I have to keep the guttering flame of my faded affection for WoW going. I feel hopeful that Dragonflight will bring back that loving feeling if Blizzard will only leave Anduin and Sylvanis in the Maw long enough for the bitter taste of BfA and Shadowlands to fade.
It's so dumb to me, considering sylvanas was essentially used as a weapon/vessel. and the talks of justice vs vengeance, yet it wasn't her doing it technically, not to me anyway and not to the extent tyrande acts like. Just make her a crazy genocidal character, im tired of this whole gray area bs, but yet everyone is 100% against sylvanas like that gray area doesn't exist. And tyrande, what exactly has she done besides whine and moan over it? I probably missed some things bc blizzard is ass at telling stories instead we prance around in the woods in darkshore with freakin malfurion and tyrande when he's the most powerful character on azeroth basically ever? Point is they could have stopped her, sylvanas isn't that damn powerful. Alliance has much more powerful characters than most of the horde it seems but no, we had no way to stop her from destroying a tree. Even with half the horde leaders also against sylvanas. And if you're gonna preach justice it's not justice to punish a vessel being used by the Lord of the literal underworld. I am glad they basically let tyrande be like "nah I'm here for vengeance" in that last cutscene instead of acting holier than thou about it, that's one good point to it.
Basically they destroyed Tyrande's personality, turned her into Maeiv 2.0 against all of her beliefs, and pushed that over and over, to make it a vessel for this entire plot. Similarly it's why Shadowlands lore doesn't fit with any established lore before it: it is an expansion fundamentally made on destroying what was objectively known as a fact in the universe.
@@valeclaw1697 well said, I forgot maiev. She is acting just like that.
@@valeclaw1697 to be fair Tyrande has always been an awful character. I legit hope we get to kill her later on.
I missed the end of Shadowlands but LOVED Dragonflight and never knew what happened. So I'm making a start on The War Within and wandering whatever happened to Sylvanas. When I first started in WotLK, my first friend I met in game LOVED her character, so im always wondering how shes doing
So waiting for the moment Sylvanas finds Nathanos' soul, sends it to the arbiter who sentences it to the Maw. Poetic Justice.
Sylvannas played Tyrande, like a goddamn fiddle, Sylvannas wanted her bu back, she couldn't go get him if she was dead, making it seems that it was a punishment to serve "penance" at the Maw, that was such a Sylvannas thing to do. Now she can spend eternity looking for that good Blighted cock.
i'm afraid that then they'd be too distracted by each other for sylvanas to actually finish her mission
Probably not; Pelagos is clearly of the opinion that no soul is beyond redemption. At worst he'd probably get sent to Revendreth.
I have to keep pausing to get through the cutscene dialogue... Everyone speaks like they're saying the most profound life changing emotional sentence ever, all the time. It's painful.
I wonder if tyrande is gonna be a b!tch after Sylvanas completes her atonement and force her to live in the maw forevermore. I'm both hoping for it and hoping against it: hoping for, just so blizz finally, for once, makes an alliance character evil, but hoping against it because people deserve 2nd chances and don't want to see Sylvanas doomed forever, especially since her life has been rough as well.
Oh, no, we want Sylvanas doomed forever. It's more than she deserves after everything she's done. Tyrande should have just killed her, but we'll work her first before her death. I pray sylvanas never comes back in any significant capacity.
Aftermath of Shadowlands - People distanced themselves from the current shitstorm that is -- WoW lore.
such a shit story though :(
Since I first heard her song in Vanilla, I have pledged myself to Sylvanas. I have trusted that she knew what she was doing, and had a greater reason for doing it. There should be daily to help her collect souls in the Maw, keeping a count across all players, alts, and servers. I would be there first thing every morning, serving my Dark Lady! #simp4Sylvanas