Evasion vs. Endurance: Which Stat is Best for Healers in Throne and Liberty? (Staff/Wand)

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  • @djskinandbones
    @djskinandbones Місяць тому +2

    Is excavator wand better than leq wand just for the mana?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому +4

      Excavator wand is great for many reasons.
      It's pretty tough to reach 60 str / 60 perception without it, and it also has the health trait which leq wand doesn't have.
      Other than that it's passive is borderline broken.
      The tooltip isn't correct, it's not "heal per 6 seconds" it's actually a heal PER second for 6 seconds.
      Not only that; it's also influenced by your stats (skill heal, skill boost) and so on.
      I did some testing with the exca passive procc and a single swift heal can heal 14-18k hp on my current build.

    • @djskinandbones
      @djskinandbones Місяць тому

      @ oh wow thank you for that, I always wondered if it was a busted tool tip because that’s what’s kept me from trying, I’m still trying to get my hands on ex9 wand

    • @djskinandbones
      @djskinandbones Місяць тому

      @ so it applies a passive 6 sec heal not just a buff to healing for 6 sec

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому +1

      @@djskinandbones Yep!

    • @djskinandbones
      @djskinandbones Місяць тому +1

      @@RandomToch damn that’s good to know, so I really need to get my hands on that wand haha you’ve def earned a sub! Hope you keep putting out more informative content so I can learn more!

  • @Mr.Flex1992
    @Mr.Flex1992 14 днів тому +1

    Hey brother I watched all your videos for this build and I agree with everything you said and first of all thanks for the info. The question is, with the new fortitude stat some say meta will shift into endurace for some classes. I have been following the metabattle gear guide for invocator for PvP SMALL , can you check that out ? You are better with the understanding of the game, the quick question is - CAN Melee Endurace finally become viable instead of Melee Evasion for this class ? I am afraid that I have been following a wrong build. Cant link it here but maybe you have time to check it out.

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  14 днів тому

      Heya,
      I'm not familiar with the metabattle builds. However I'm quite confident that this will not impact wand/staff in terms of builds. Melee Evasion / Ranged Endurance will stay great.
      For everything that's not wand/staff or dagger/X, endurance will become better than it was. Especially for Bow/X and Spear/X.
      My guess is that the endurance-ceiling will go higher, which means DPS needs to stack crit more to get a crit-sweet spot. They will most likely need to sacrifice (some) hit for this, which will in turn make our evasion better than it was before.

    • @Mr.Flex1992
      @Mr.Flex1992 13 днів тому

      @@RandomToch I have read everything you said. I would appreciate if you would check it for yourself for small scale but in short terms :shock visor/armor and inf.herald greaves/gauntles and resistance (2) boots.
      ranged/melee endurance everywhere is possible and HP and MP regen here in there.
      Note : belt has 170 melee endurance passive and cloak+2set shock give 44 dmg reduction also
      The new fortitude stat not only give bonus but it increases every point also.

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  13 днів тому +1

      ​@@Mr.Flex1992 I checked it out but I'm not a fan. My view is purely subjective though.
      The build looks like they took a wand/bow build and just sticked a wand/staff on it.
      Endurance **works** for us, but it's not optimal. We don't have anything to scale off on endurance, unlike bow with passive.
      We do with evasion (Victorious energy)
      However like I said, endurance works. But Talus Staff is an odd pick. I wonder what the total stats look like.
      Like how much melee endurance / ranged endurance do you run? What does your stat split look like?
      If you can send me a questlog link with ur build I can check to see if I can make some improvements for you.

  • @wadeybear
    @wadeybear Місяць тому +1

    Hey man, great video! Curious - is it worth trying to use shock commander 2 piece in your build? Is the 2 piece significant enough?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the reaction! I did contemplate using shock commander 2 piece or shock commander 2 piece together with forsaken, but the melee evasion drop is just far too high to make it viable imo.

  • @cali4806
    @cali4806 Місяць тому

    Ranged evasion/magic evasion is a no go if you are building melee evade. Good info man thanks

  • @iZestos
    @iZestos 26 днів тому

    I've been running 70 str 40 perc 38 wisdom. 4 piece ascended+sabatons of field general. I have 970 melee endurance, ~170 ranged, and ~670 magic endurance along with 18,455 HP. I wish i could swap magic endurance for ranged for the spin to win players, but the added heal power is so nice for the heal reductions.
    Lately for arena i run 50 str, 60 in perc and still have over 30% cd speed. I needed perc to have 710 hit chance to land freeze and sleep (could hit 790 but don't have hit chance on my umbramancer since was mainly for heal stats on my 70 str build which has atrocious hit rate but great survival.)
    I use the focus skill to have skills on really low cooldowns to cycle heals and CC.
    I will eventually graduate into a heavy set that gives melee and ranged endurance since mages aren't really the problem for me

  • @aitor6453
    @aitor6453 Місяць тому

    Hi, I play in a flank party and I feel a bit slow to keep up with Ebon roar sabatons. Would you say is viable to switch those boots for Sabatons of the field General? Also I prefer to go 70 str 50 Per for extra survivability. I dont mind droping to 500 something hit. For this I also need Ebon Roar Gaunlets.
    In the end in your Novemeber goal (With purple cloak and belt) I'd go from your 1824 eva to 1702 eva but gaining move speed, 1k HP and the 70 str defense boost. So my main question is, would I notice the difference between 1.8k and 1.7k eva? Ty

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      You'll notice it but it's a viable option. 70 str / 50 perception is perfectly fine, you should still be able to hit many enemies. I haven't found an ideal build for me yet as I don't want to sacrifice the melee evasion that much.

  • @miketwiztex4633
    @miketwiztex4633 Місяць тому

    I play dagger wand on ranged and magic evasion but i feel like i get ownd every engage from a gs sns or dagger gs should i go on some melee evasion as bomber?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому +1

      For Dagger/Wand both Magic/Ranged evasion and Melee/Ranged evasion are viable.
      If you do large scale and are a backline bomber - Magic/Ranged Evasion is the way to go
      If you do small scale and arena's - Melee evasion/Ranged Evasion is the way to go.
      If you play as a large scale backline bomber and you go melee evasion; melee won't be an issue anymore but both magic and ranged will be a significantly larger issue.
      So I'd probably just stay ranged/magic evasion and try to stay clear of GS's.

    • @miketwiztex4633
      @miketwiztex4633 Місяць тому

      Thanks for the quick answer love the vid keep it up

  • @HasanView
    @HasanView Місяць тому

    im a gs dagger, my built is 1800 melee eva with 800 ranged eva, i don't think the ranged evasion is doing anything for me, i get destroyed by ranged players. Do you think i should swap to ranged endurance?

    • @seanwolf8394
      @seanwolf8394 Місяць тому

      Yes. I’m at 1120 like he says and it pretty much does nothing unless they aren’t geared players. Which most people have maxed weapons at least so I’m gonna switch right now.

  • @Atljeepboy
    @Atljeepboy Місяць тому

    What about Magic Evasion/Endurance?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      You could go 2 piece ascended and go full melee evasion / magic endurance. I just don't think it's very viable at this point, it leaves you too squishy in my eyes.

  • @skept3k516
    @skept3k516 Місяць тому +1

    Yo i was chatting with you on the healer discord thread on this topic. Cool to find you on UA-cam.

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      Haha, cheers! Cool that you found me here :)

    • @fabiandiao5416
      @fabiandiao5416 Місяць тому

      Can u link the dc please :) ?

  • @gamejaing7447
    @gamejaing7447 Місяць тому

    I saw that on the helmet and shoes there is a mana regen trait in your build, is it really worth it considering we already have the inner peace skill?
    I'm thinking about replacing it with movement speed on the shoes and melee endurance on the helmet, what do you think?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      Inner Peace doesn't really give enough mana on it's own. Even if you manage your mana usage you'll end up out of mana at some point while Inner Peace is still on cooldown.
      Having some mana regen here and there mitigates that a bit. I'm sitting on 1200 mana regen and even at that point, I wish I had some more.
      That being said, the mana regen traits are mostly a 'Lack of other good traits' option. (Because we generally want Max Health / Melee Evasion / Ranged Endurance stacks)
      Swapping Mana Regen for Movement speed on boots is totally fine.
      Swapping Mana Regen for Melee Endurance on helmet isn't worth the effort.

    • @calvinengle2020
      @calvinengle2020 Місяць тому

      What about using increased mana instead of mana regen because of the passive that gives you heal % per 1k mana?

  • @DenLe222
    @DenLe222 Місяць тому

    Can you share spreadsheet?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      The spreadsheet isn't really anything special. I'm just using the stat formulas. (Credit maxroll)
      *Evasion:*
      Evasion Chance = ((Your Evasion − Enemy Hit) / (Your Evasion − Enemy Hit + 1,000)) × 100%
      *Endurance*
      Crit Chance = ((Enemy Crit− Your Endurance) / (Enemy Crit− Your Endurance + 1,000)) × 100%

  • @L4szcZ
    @L4szcZ Місяць тому

    so u dont care about magic evasion / endurance?
    My point is its better to do mele evasion + range endurance and w/e for magic defensives than maele evasion and 50% ranged/magic endurance?

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому +1

      You could go 2 piece ascended and go full melee evasion / magic endurance. I just don't think it's very viable at this point, it leaves you too squishy in my eyes. Spreading endurances is a bad decision i.m.o, you really want to focus on 2 defensive stats, else they don't really contribute much.

  • @hroxyz1
    @hroxyz1 Місяць тому

    GOAT

  • @boat66543
    @boat66543 Місяць тому

    i go with 1724 melee eva 1278 range eva 600 magic eva and 720 range endu it really great you dodge most of GS 0 braincell,spinner, and some mage with low hit chance (when vict buff is on)
    had 842 hit chance which is decent 1v1 small scale is great with my build but zvz need to adjust alittle for max range+magic eva
    only downside is your max hp is low this build rely so much on skillplay

  • @popkornlex
    @popkornlex Місяць тому

    Nice. wand/staff on wraith here as well. Hope to bump into you on server :D . Great video btw.

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому +1

      Cheers! See you at some WB's/Siege! :)

    • @popkornlex
      @popkornlex Місяць тому +1

      ​@@RandomToch Yeah..Pretty sure you guys will be bossing at the siege. Pretty sure you already dominate in WB's across the server. like how it looks from a smaller guilds perspective. i do hope you guys will have rival guilds that will keep up with you. It's better for the health of the server. All the best.

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      @@popkornlex
      Haha we'll have to see when siege hits. We have many great players and amazing shotcallers who can balance tight serious calls while switching it up with memes and banter. So no matter if we win or not; we're gonna have a blast.
      There's some larger alliances out there, so siege certainly isn't going to be a cakewalk. I'm really looking forward to it 😀

    • @popkornlex
      @popkornlex Місяць тому

      ​@@RandomToch was around ruins of turayne last night. i have seen you guys whoop infinite guilds ass. :)) that looked bit brutal from your side :)).

  • @imboredofu57
    @imboredofu57 Місяць тому +4

    Brother... either don't swear or use a better sound to sensor the cursing. That quack is horrendous. 😅

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      @@imboredofu57 Agreed, I made sure I didn’t swear in the video I made after.

  • @RikJanssen-d5v
    @RikJanssen-d5v Місяць тому

    End iam fulltime endurance built might qwuit the game no change VS greatsword cant play the game

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      Most of the gear of this build and the endurance build are the same pieces. You can buy the evasion trait of an item and swap it over. You only need to replace a few items. Should be doable within 1000-2000 lucent.

  • @white_lie
    @white_lie Місяць тому

    I love spreadsheet explaintion

  • @estevamcoelho815
    @estevamcoelho815 25 днів тому

    The victorious buff only lasts for 12 seconds and has a 70 second cooldown. Its not reliable. With only 600 hit, u will miss every Sleep/Petrify against magic evasion builds.

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  23 дні тому

      The thing is, you don't sleep magic evasion builds. You feud enemy healers, or target non-dagger users. I very very rarely miss my sleeps.
      Also buff duration and cooldown reduction both work on Victorious Energy, which you're forgetting.
      Cooldown starts after you cast the ability. My Victorious Energy lasts 20 seconds, and after that only has ~30s of downtime before I can cast it again.
      Don't forget that Karmic Haze has a decently long cooldown as well.
      You're usually only ognna be sleeping once on a push anyways, and if there's a second sleep going to happen, both karmic and victorious will be off cooldown.

  • @ajjames1960
    @ajjames1960 Місяць тому +1

    idk bruh but evasion is so hype and overrated, i tried doing 1.6k eva and bruh i still get obliterate and mind you even i have 1.6k they hurt like a truck so bad lol im so pissed because i thot eva is good but i feel like its hit and miss and the chances are only 50/50 its still low no wonder they still hit you the sad part is they hit like a truck lol
    i feel like its better to go defenses, reduction or much better endurance so you can tank the damage lol

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      Nah it's definitely not overrated. On buffed 2200+ melee evasion you dodge so much.
      I've tested this out in guild hall with 3-4 GS's on my and I can reliably survive their burst.
      Of course it's RNG and once in so many times they get more hits off.
      If you want to go Melee Endurance / Ranged Endurance, that's fine too.
      If you click on my questlog link, you can scroll down and see "OFFMETA - Endurance staff/wand"
      It's not as good as melee evasion i.m.o. and it pretty much gimps your victorious energy.
      It can be suited for people who decide to build a full healbot build, but endurance is better suited for bow/wand with the endurance passive.
      Supposedly the bow passive spreads through party members, but in the testing I did it didn't seem like the passive activated for people other than the one having the passive on.
      But who knows, tooltips/statusses are wrong so much in this game, so it COULD actually be spreading.

    • @Sam-tb8hp
      @Sam-tb8hp Місяць тому +1

      I mean yeah evasion is rng. But it's rng to literally prevent melee from being able to use their combo on you. As a healer, not much feels better than when a melee whiffs their guillotine. But beyond that, healer survivability is what percent of the time you can have blessed barrier on yourself.

    • @ajjames1960
      @ajjames1960 Місяць тому

      @Sam-tb8hp not really tho. if u match with a skilled player the combo will be still there. evasion only works for low iq player since they dont know what todo and thats least a concern for u what concerning is those top player they dont miss lol
      thats why im saying it. if u are a healer u should be going more on defenses and not rng eva i pretty sure most of ur enemy hurts alot but your heals saves u but that still proves my point that eva is overrated and hype. most smart player have high hit so ur eva is completely useless because they dont miss. what will miss on you is those low geared player and as for me i dont care about those low gear player
      i test evasion already so i speak based on my experience on it

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      @@ajjames1960 What I described in my video **are** the end-game full hit stacked melee players both unbuffed and buffed up to get max hit.
      And those players are also the players I ran tests with.
      I'm not saying melee endurance is useless, melee evasion just works better for wand/staff due to the huge victorious energy boost it gets.
      So players are free to run melee endurance, like I mentioned; I also have an example (off-meta) build for it up in my questlog.

    • @ajjames1960
      @ajjames1960 Місяць тому

      @@RandomToch do you still think that its better to go eva? because idk man im literally confused and it makes me want to quit the game, once a melee jump in do stun then boom you are dead even if u have alot of eva and mind you i have alot of eva but i just feel like idk. i still down if u can show us some proof that its better to do eva vs endurance. we might appreciate it if you so some comparison like real life scenario because i always get stun and die all the time even i have high eva, i even want to change my build or im thinking im might just create a new character lol

  • @ChrisHynes-jo2zy
    @ChrisHynes-jo2zy Місяць тому

    We will quickly get to where people can hit you even if you are max evasion - just an fyi. So endurance will be the future

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      The melee evasion to enemy hit rate ratio should stay the same in T2, I calculated this a while back.
      iirc enemy melee will cap at 2500 hit fullly buffed, while we cap at 2850'ish melee evasion unbuffed, 3270 buffed.
      But we'll only know what the meta in T2 will be when we get there.
      Buffs & nerfs will follow, meta shifts will happen, and depending on meta shifts some things will become better and some things will become worse.
      i.m.o. there's no use in building towards an uncertain future, especially when everything we currently wear will get replaced anyhow.

    • @jacky-gc4tf
      @jacky-gc4tf Місяць тому

      @@RandomTochas melee how can we even hit? I am using tank build like 930 hit chance I can not hit them at all in arena sometimes or against other player

    • @RandomToch
      @RandomToch  Місяць тому

      @@jacky-gc4tf There's diminishing returns on evasion. So with 930 hit chance we will have 45-60% chance (unbuffed vs buffed) to dodge your skills.
      There's not really much you can do about this as this is the games design. It's much like a rock paper scissor construction where you just focus a class of which you know they don't build melee evasion.
      But if you play sns/gs you can hit like 1150 hit chance with vital force and perception. You can precision dash to get another +160 hitchance for 3s which will let you peak 1310 hit chance, that'll give you a very high hitrate. But not so much against wand/staff or dagger players as you can see in my spreadsheet :)

    • @sempiterno3243
      @sempiterno3243 Місяць тому

      Will this build work for sns-wand?, I want to play staff-wand and sns-wand for mass PvP healing