It just makes the unforced marketing error that much more baffling. She absolutely did not need to say any of that, she could have waited and everyone would have loved it and loved her! Channel your inner Mario Party Luigi and win by doing nothing!
@@800Ms-k6nWe know it could be good, the problem was the negress that had to bitch about people editing the posters, we don't want to give her money. I myself might pirate it if I hear it isn't a chick-flick.
The reason the prequels have aged well is exactly because of the sequels and what they represent. The prequels, for all their faults, still had a love for the universe and its fans. And I'd argue that the overall story was great - it was the script, direction, and casting that dragged it down. The sequels hated and misunderstood Star Wars entirely, treating it like an executive's pet project, destroying the universe - possibly irreparably.
How many stories and games were inspired by the prequels vs the sequels? The prequels for all their faults, added something meaningful to the universe, which others were able to grasp and expand upon, but the sequels utterly failed in that
I would argue that direction was the main flaw, though scripting could've used some work for sure. But the casting was a hundred percent gold -- it's not their fault that the most wooden take for any given line is the one that made the final cut.
@@Rootiga The prequels are definitely not the best but they are far superior to the sequels. Phantom Menace is actually my favorite of the 3. Not a huge fan of Attack of the Clones as a whole but it does have some really great moments.
That certainly didn't help. But, considering how much is this film earning at the cinemas, it seems it didn't bother too many people as much. I don't care about Oz or Wicked so I wasn't going to watch it either way, just here for a sped up discussion panel giving their thoughts as usual.
I'm trying not to fall into that trap. When Will Smith did the slap, I thought, fuck him, I am not watching anymore Will Smith movies.. but, that's dumb, they aren't Will Smith movies, they are movies with Will Smith. A lot of other people worked hard on these things so I am trying to separate their agendas and politics and selfishness aside and I'm willing to give the movie as an entity on it's own the chance the rest of them deserve.
Yeah even the original play from 2005 has obvious political overtones comparing the wizard and George W. Bush with digs about about regime change, his press secretary putting out propaganda and “if you’re not with us you’re with the terrorists.”
It's actually not. There's like one gay guy who's got a few seconds of screen time as the gbff but that's it really. It's there if you're looking for it, which I wasn't.
@@mariakhan7986exactly. I thought when Chris put an emphasis on the movie being gay he was just referring to the fact that it’s a whimsical and feminine film that most women and gay people would enjoy. I did not realize that there had been any men in skirts because i was too busy actually enjoying the film and cool sets.
@@jeffberriagreed. I went for my gf and I had 0 previous knowledge on the movie so I was more caught up in the world building and never really noticed those small details he pointed out
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@@chasehedges6775 Does it? They started going down the “woke” road with the second one. That whole wedding thing was cringe. I hope 3 reigns it back in.
@brando3342 idk about it being woke but everyone definitely agrees the wedding was cringe and it seems Sonic 3 is focusing on the Sonic and Shadow story
Man, Chris Gore brought a tear to my eye mentioning movies on TV once a year back in the day, and the whole family sit to watch and quickly bustle about during 5min ads 😢 Little Rascals, Ben-Hur, Jason & The Argonauts, Batman Returns, Nightmare on Elm Street, Alien, Honey I Blew Up The Kid etc... Good ol' times that cable and streaming and smartphones have destroyed and separated us.
Yep, we've lost the magic of anticipation. And a pack of rabid, starving wild dogs couldn't drag me into a cinema to watch that movie. Still haven't recovered from the coma of boredom I collapsed into whilst watching the play, and that was a year ago😂
@@vivian9187 😂😂 the way you described your coma got me crying lol.. That's how I felt watching BatmanvsSuperman in cinema. 1st movie EVER to put me to sleep. Good thing I've never seen the play.. The original movie was enough for me, and even then, it wasn't That awesome but it was adequate enough to bring the family together on the sofa and floor around the TV.
Wicked basically did it first. It doesn't mean you have to given it a pass, but it does mean that rather than being a trend chaser it was the original trend setter. Also, it's not that the villain is a victim, but that the villain wasn't born that way, yet chose poorly when confronted with obstacles.
To be fair, the original book and the stage musical are both 10+ years old, and one of the first and best to do the villain thing, and did it really well. Then it became a big trope later. 🤷🏻♂️
Even if critics and the general audience say it’s good, I still wouldn’t bother to watch it, largely because it’s not for me, but also because of lead actress throwing a Shit Fit claiming she’s offended by a fans redesign of the movie poster.
She actually apologised for that. She said she wished she never made that post, that she a human moment and wished she could take it back. She said she wished she talked to a friend before responding online.
@ You know, you’re absolutely right, I don’t care if she actually did “apologize”, because like nearly everyone else in Hollywood, she’s nothing more than a narcissistic fairy who doesn’t know her asshole from her ear hole.
He did, plus he had a meltdown on one of the Open Bar episodes He yelled at @BlueCollarLoser cause he made a silly joke about Gore not being a gamer & Chris told him to F off. I can’t trust that dude’s reviews anymore
I don't care how good it might be... A. It continuing the "Updated for modern audiences trend...get fuckt B. Its further story shenanigans and i don't trust them to not try the Cruella treatment. C. A certain person's twitter-based freakout over the face tells me I dont want anything to do with her. I'm tired of being burned, spit on and hated. They've used up my "willing to give something a chance" budget.
@@thisismyname3928 trust me you can't hate the movie because it's well made even if you don't enjoy it hardly could find any flaws to hate on the movie
I was just noticing that his reviews all seem to sound the same over several channels... you would think he might... you know? Change it up a bit as his thoughts come and go? Admittedly, Wicked has only been out for a couple days, so, not much time to change his thoughts, but it sounds very... scripted, like he has to hit 'these talking points'...
He explained himself pretty thoroughly and his take wouldn’t be considered wild or bad if it wasn’t for that actress being dumb and self centered. It’s a film like Barbie, made to appeal to a particular audience. An audience that was always gay adjacent; which was never a bad thing nor should it be since it’s not changing or replacing anything from the play. This isn’t a “Spider-Man is gay now” kind of thing, it was always gay! He’s a movie reviewer first and a member of the culture wars second! Just like Mauler.
The original Wizard of Oz story by Frank Baum is ultimately a Theosophical allegory, and an amazing one. While I'm sure Wicked is entertaining, it was obviously written with complete ignorance of Baum's true message. But that's the nature of the occult... only the few ever see it.
I love chris's critiques, but it would be foolish to support wicked after the meltdown the actress had. We need to remind these actors of the good old days when they didn't start trouble all the time; even if it's a decent movie, it's marred by controversy, and the actress needs to pay a price for her hubris.
Why do people get so caught up in cancelling people? The same people who hate cancel culture are doing the same thing to the people who started the trend. You don't fight fire with fire. You want to seem better but then do the same things you hate about them.. I imagine there was hundreds of people who worked on this movie.. HUNDREDS, yet because one chick said something we didn't like we are going to boycott the movie? That isn't how life is supposed to work.. I think she was out of line with her comments too, but she isn't the only one who worked to make the movie. Love it or hate it, not seeing it because she is a whiney snowflake seems just as petty as the whiney snowflake.
@@ReidMontgomery95 Yes, but like with everything, Hollywood doesn't know how to do it right or when to stop, so they just put that shit in everything and did it until everything was dead.
The antics of the lead actress aside, I refuse to watch it just because it is horrifyingly miscast for almost every major role. Madame Morrible is supposed to be a masculine-androgynous woman, super tall and with a contralto voice, but they cast a tiny Asian lady in her part. Elphaba is supposed to be tall, slender, and sharp-featured, while the girl they cast in the role is average-sized and soft-featured (and also noodles way too much when singing, but that's just a personal preference). Nessa is supposed to be white as part of a commentary on racism, but instead they made her black and erased the entire bigoted reason she's disabled in order to justify their ridiculous miscasting of Elphie. Fiyero is supposed to be Indian (not black, thank you to one commenter for pointing it out to me), and they whitewashed him to once again justify the casting they chose for Elphie while still maintaining Elphie and Fiyero as a mixed-race pairing. The only one who seems to be proving me wrong is Ariana Grande, who I didn't think would be able to pull of Glinda, but seems passable in the role. The whole thing is a disaster.
@@caylya7869 It's in the book. I don't know if I can do more than that. There's been so many crackdowns on PDF hosting sites that I don't know if I could find one to link to you, and UA-cam deletes comments with links in them anyway.
I doubt they cast a white man for Fiyero to keep the mixed race pairing. It's more likely that the writers/casting agents didn't read the book and only saw the stage play, where he's almost always played by a white dude. I doubt they would have passed an opportunity to have a another black character that the evul mean wacists couldn't complain about, because it's canon.
The movie is the story of the first act of the play , And it’s a really good story for a part 1 , ending at a good place leaving you wanting you to see the sequel . I had never seen the play before But I thought it was really good (I also like certain musical movies tho like Les Mis and Hamilton so you definitely have to like musicals)
I actually thought it was fully over and was shocked at the tbc so I probably missed the part one at the beginning. I think it was a well done movie, because remember, theater musicals are a lot faster than movies.
@@waiken3727All that matters? What about integrity? Self respect? We are in the middle of a war being waged against us and you'd rather give into it for a little bit of entertainment? You're weak man. I don't need their slop to enjoy my life and I'm not gonna watch them mock me on screen and get away with it by continuing to support them.
@@waiken3727 Petty? These actors live under the same rainbow. All the racist dogma they think about their audience, the dumb gaslighting and self righteous deprication they engage in to their own fans is all the same. After a while you get tired of watching them. Go ahead mate, sniff their own farts. Give them money and praise their miserable a$$es. Yeah, don't be petty like me, be a neurotic addict to your own entertainment, and let the pretty lights get you through your day. Let it fill that vacant hole in your heart where your self respect would usually occupy. It's your problem, not mine bro
I don't know why, but, every time Chris says something is gay but its for the whole family leads me to believe that something like that isn't for children...? I know what he's trying to say, its just the way he's saying it that I'm like "Hold up! Wait a minute!" 😂
I guess it depends on the brand of 'gay'. Choreography, dancing, singing etc, perfectly fine for the family, entertaining in fact, fisting strange men in the back alley for a fiver, not so family orientated.
All the cope and whining in the comments lol. I'm hearing that even people who dont like musicals and had no interest in the movie say its good. And honestly, good for them. Glad to see they did a good job. Personally i just have no interest in the world of Oz or a musical so i won't see it. Simple as. So much salt in the comments lol
I agree. I've seen a lot of whiny comment sections but this is right up there with some of the whiniest most unhinged takes I've seen in awhile. It's comical how deranged some of these comments are. I want to tell every one of them to just go outside and breathe a bit, it's not that serious.
I don’t like movie musicals and hated Wicked lol. Objectively I wouldn’t say it’s good (as a movie), but it’s not terrible either. I can see why people liked it because the play is well loved. This one wasn’t for me lol.
@Attmay I totally get that it’s not for everyone. Like he said, “If you like Thai food, you’ll like this.” It has a large enough audience to justify an adaptation. At the time it came out, the sympathetic villain story was a fairly novel concept. I don’t agree that literally every other studio should copy it and was really annoyed when Disney beating it to death. but there’s a big difference between shoehorning junk into an established property, and writing an original story with those themes. A Wicked adaptation makes sense financially too. The musical dominated Broadway for the entire 2010’s, so it’s a smart move to adapt it for film. The built-in audience is huge. My local theater was PACKED, so they’re clearly onto something. Disney made the mistake of fucking with the things people like, and trying to turn them all into Wicked, which is the reason why we have all these destroyed properties. That wasn’t the musical’s fault, it’s the fault of directors and studio execs alienating their built-in audiences trying to be something they’re not. Wicked is well-received because it’s original and honest.
You know in the original books, the Witches were completely in Control of Oz BEFORE The Wizard arrived in Oz, and also the Wizard tricked them into thinking he was more powerful than they were, but he never interfered with their Authority in their own lands because he had no power to act against them. He kept to the Emerald City and no one questioned him because they feared his power. But he never wielded his "Power" like a Tyrant, he just did what he could to keep things working smoothly in the the City. He sent Dorothy and Co after the Wicked Witch of the West because she was the only dangerous one left to worry about because Glinda and he sister in the North (who is the one who Dorothy First meets in Oz) were Benevolent and Kind, while the Witches of the East and West were nasty and Cruel. Lesson here is Read the original Oz books, they are a real treat
The Wizard forced everyone to wear green glasses so they would believe his lie that the Emerald City was actually made of emeralds. And he had a magical sex-change done on a baby, then sent her off to be a slave/servant so he could steal her throne. He was definitely a bit of a tyrant.
@@oliviastratton2169 I forgot the bit with Ozma. But wasn't the Enchantment solely Mombi? I mean he gave her to Mombi, but what Mombi did with her afterwards, what that his Order??
@daishikaze3986 Honestly, I can't remember exactly. I thought he was in on it since changing her gender helped conceal her identity and that was his goal. But I can't remember if it was explicitly confirmed in the text.
Just saw the movie. I think it’s decent. I get that people want to discourage actors and others attacking fans and acting like hysterical narcissists. But boycotting a decent movie really punishes everyone who contributed to the film. We shouldn’t always let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Eh...I'm with Arch: different approaches for different times, and until actors and developers learn humility-> Stick, Stick, and more Stick. ...With the possibility of a nice carrot when they finally learn to behave.
It's just a shame that social media causes actors to ruin the character image and irreparably break the fourth wall, therefore destroying any suspension of disbelief. The real world and fantasy are not supposed to overlap this much. Bad faith social gimmicks will ABSOLUTELY ruin media. People are sick of it. Wicked was screwed the instant that goofy broad fired up her Twitter.
Sorry, Chris. I love the old Wizard of OZ movie and Wicked is an abomination. It completely tears the whole original story apart and started the, "the villain is actually good/justified" trend that makes me want to throw up.
and Wonder Woman 84 and The Flash and abunch of other shitty things that he still shills for because the only thing he has in his pathetic life is the ability to say he has Hollywood connections
what's wrong with avatar that movie made 2.3 billion people loved it you're in the minority that hate it chris gore is representing the general audiences unlike you
Avatar: Way of Water was good though. Flash for all of Ezra's antics had no business being entertaining and watchable. Of course, Michael Keaton and Sasha Callie broke their backs carrying the film.
@@waiken3727 Massive marketing campaigns do not mean a movie is good, Shawshank Redemption bombed at the theatres yet it's regarded as one of the best movies made. Box office returns mean nothing in relation to the quality of a movie. I didn't bother seeing the second Avatar, the first one was the most cliched, ideological and stereotyped movie I have ever seen, I couldn't bare the thought of seeing the second one.
@@brandong298 A lot of people saw the stage-show, so it's got a big built-in audience. I'd expect it to do well... and that's fine. If Hollywood sees that women and gays like musicals adapted from The Wizard of Oz (and more importantly pay money to see them), perhaps they'll stop trying to turn superheroes and Sci-fi into things that women and gays want to watch and ruining them for EVERYBODY in the process.
I thought the1939 movie was self contained and required no expansion of the story. This is Hollywood trying to go back to a played out gold mine hoping to find that last little nugget. I really don't care about the Wicked Witch's back story. Like Snow White, give the 1939 Wizard Of Oz it's honored place then go on to create the next story we'd want to remember.
To be fair to Chris, he did acknowledge how retarded most of the movie was and said that Batman and gracious ass shots were the biggest things the Flash had going for it.
I appreciate the honest review. But it’s a film I personally refuse to watch. I can’t stand Ariana Grande as a person let alone watching her on screen as “sweet, innocent Glinda” with Ethan Slater knowing those two were clearly fooling around behind Ethan’s now ex-wife’s back around prior to the news breaking about it. I feel bad for that woman, I can’t imagine what she must be feeling like with all this Wicked promotion in everyone’s faces currently. It’s going to be great hearing about the Grande & Slater breakup when it does happen though, Grande isn’t good with keeping the same man around for a long time..
@@kingcosworth2643 I thought I loved Thai food but I learned the dish I was obsessed with is Vietnamese and I have never actually had any Thai food so I don't know.
@@LordBaktor Yeah, as a normal thinking person, it seems obvious to you and I. The point he’s making is that there will be a lot of people making hate videos and reviews who don’t like musicals and never will. Meanwhile, people who actually like musicals will probably enjoy it. Again, it’s pretty obvious, but UA-cam content creators and a lot of commenters don’t seem to grasp basic concepts. Especially the fact that people can have different like and dislikes. 🙄
@@BlackWingedSeraphX It is that bad. I read the book back when it came out and it was awful. I haven't seen the play or movie because why would I want to.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX The hell are you talking about. I'm old (considering I read Wicked when it first came out). I have neither the time nor the inclination to create Sock Puppet accounts.
Even if itnwas a masterpiece I cant support the people that openly hate me. I dont hate them back, I just feel indifference, and on principle, I cant support them.
That's like going to a restaurant with really great food but you had a bad server once so you never go back... Doesn't matter that the kitchen staff exceeded your expectations by providing you a great meal. The server had a bad day and wasn't polite so you go home and write a bad review and never go back, punishing every other person there because of one person not living up to expectation.. That is a flaw in your humanity... But hey... who am I? I guess we all get to be as petty and close minded as we want to be.
@@snowman22ismI think it's a low blow to call that a flaw in someone's humanity - wanting to avoid a repetition of a negative experience. It's what we're all, as humans, naturally inclined to do.
@@snowman22ism No, it's more like the owner and the staff directly telling you they think you're an idiot. This isn't just a "bad day," and not just a single staff member attacking you. This is an entire industry directly insulting you non stop.
@@snowman22ism With prices these days, every member of staff at a restaurant--from the host to the depths of the kitchen--needs to be excellent to secure return business. If someone's having a bad day, they need to plaster on a fake smile, treat each customer like a VIP, and have their meltdown at home, like an adult 😂
God the way that that guy reviewing Wicked was walking on eggshells because he liked it... he had to qualify it by saying "it's so gay" and "at least it only has heterosexual stuff"... what a laughably immature atmosphere. Embarrassing for you all.
jeez is Wicked actually 25 years old? i just turned 40 i hadn’t realized this weird obsession with explaining the sad reasons villains are evil (usually female villains) had been happening more then half my life. i’m a straight dude and i actually enjoy musicals now and then but i have never had interest in this particular story. leave the Wizard of Oz alone. the fact that they were friends in college together sounds like the dumbest idea to begin with, i cannot even picture what a “college” in the magical and flamboyant land of Oz would be. it sounds more like Harry Potter fan fiction.
@@chucksenhowzen9740 But hating on something before you've seen it is already closed minded and inherently ignorant. It makes you just as intolerant. Going into something hating it is never the right attitutde. That and even if you disagree with a message you can still enjoy a descent story, action, and drama if there is one.
Can we just differentiate the fantasy art from messaging? Especially when they are not overt about it unlike Disney. Why do things have to be labeled “gay” or tied to politics? Victorian era males frequently wore skirts. Let’s just enjoy art for what it’s meant to be and not put labels with connections to our real world.
Chris Gore: you had me until your hamfisted parallel between l Elpheba and Trump. You say her cause was virtuous (helping animals) but there is no case to be made at all for Trump’s virtue. It’s honestly the worst metaphor I’ve ever heard a critic make.
What are you talking about??? He has friends in Hollywood circle and has called them out before. Chris also hasn’t been invited to D23 stuff because he’s ripped on Marvel Disney stuff. Chris Gore’s takes are not bad.
The whole, separate the artist from the art these days unfortunately doesn't really cut it. Supporting a work of art made by a terrible person, is supporting that terrible person, financially and spiritually/emotionally.
I think the genius of the story is that it’s dealing with pretty timeless and universal issues of political corruption, biased agenda-driven media, the power of education systems, etc. So it allows you to interpret the story in a way that matches your own world view instead of force feeding a particular view or ideology
As a fan of the play, I 100% think the play was better. The actess who played Elphaba never gave the same amount of soul as any of the original actresses. Surprisingly, Arianna Grande did an incredible job with her character, while Cynthia Erivo just felt like the wrong choice. Her songs had no soul!!! Overall, the movie felt like it was trying to be the Broadway show instead of a movie. Solid 5 or 6 out of 10.
Gregory Maguire is a boomer and therefore part of their collective complicity in the largest act of generational wealth hoarding in history. I will not support anything based on his works, and his toxicity has infected Disney, hence all those adjective-named cope movies because they lost the rights. It wasn't worth it when they made a much better *Oz* movie in the 1980s already.
Cynthia Arivo has a beautiful voice. I expected some 'flavor' in it but her voice sounds oddly "white". Ariana Grande is uber-talented. I was prejudiced against her when she first started gaining popularity years ago but she has proven to be versatile and charmingly funny in the movie
I don't give a shit. I hate musicals and have 0 interest in seeing this. Also I'm sick of this re-categorizing of female villains as just misunderstood outcasts villainized and mistreated by men.
TBF, Wicked was the OG play that started the whole trope. It's insufferable now with how many times the idea has been cloned to make us hate it, but at the time, it was actually a reasonably original idea.
@Neognostic-pk5wu And I hated it from Day 1. Being the original doesn’t make it necessarily good. I don’t like it or its progeny. The moral relativism involved is nauseating to me. Having said all that, I see your point - a good point well made! I just don’t like that narrative whenever and wherever it’s found (personal preference). Now give me a good redemption arc, which is very different, and I’ll swoon. See, eg, Boromir’s arc in LOTR.
The reason why they kept both Elphaba and Glinda as having male interests in the movies is because they didn't really have a choice. The romance between The Scarecrow and Elphaba is a huge part of the musical, and trying to hand-wave that away would have fundamentally changed the story to the extreme. Most of the musical wouldn't have made much sense, really. Adding in the whole bisexual tones could make it so they could have their DEI-approved THE MESSAGE shoved into the movie and still include the Scarecrow/Elphaba romance. The movie would have had to have changed way too drastically in order to make them both pure lesbians, so much so that it would literally have become an entirely new movie. So don't give Hollywood too much credit for keeping in the male interest angle... in this case, they would have had no way to tie in The Wizard of Oz without the Scarecrow/Elphaba romance, so they really didn't have a choice in the matter. Not without pretty much the entire audience calling BS, anyway.
I think the movie's a good example of how terrible marketing and an inability for celebrities to keep their mouths shut can sink a project. Well they considered it's a decent movie. I enjoyed it. I'd have enjoyed it more if I didn't know about all the drama.
@fewwiggle They screwed up right out the gate and I was tempted to not even bother with it. That's what I meant when I said it could sink an otherwise decent enough movie.
Exactly. That is the point I'm trying to make, that all of the marketing woes with the dolls and celebrity drama about the movie poster were not indicative of another disaster-piece coming down the pipe. If people went into the movie theater expecting garbage and got garbage, you could guarantee word-of-mouth would have lit up fast.
I appreciate Gore willing to give the unpopular but honest opinion. He’s open to a larger breadth of film than most on the show so his opinion is welcome.
I despise musicals and the cast hates me. This is made for women and gay men, and I hope they enjoy it, but I'm not going anywhere near it. I hope my favorite tubers are done talking about it now they've gave it its due.
Totally your prerogative, but all of Hollywood hates you/us, if you like film, you like movies by people who hate you. It’s not actually really gay, Oz is just eccentric. If you hate musicals, sure that’s your taste, but sad! There’s a lot of good musicals.
Straight people cover 80% of the world and you’re still complaining about gay people, but trust me I feel the same way whenever I see a straight couple kiss in moves and tv im obviously joking but that’s really how stupid it sounds to me.
This is a pass. I’ve always been disappointed in villains made heros with an origin story, as this might have been part of the beginnings of that trend. Let villains stay villains. Not interested in otherwise.
I love your content. UT the political analogy was pure crap. The play came out 20 years ago, yet somehow it was meant to me a commentary on modern politics??!! Go away now
Based on the story and reviews, I’m pretty sure the word people are looking for is decent, which isn’t a term used very often. A score of 6.5-7.5/10 would be a good fit.
He saying that some people really like Thai food and some don’t. There is no point sending a person who doesn’t like Thai food to an excellent Thai restaurant Some people don’t like musicals. So telling them a musical movie is excellent is pointless. They can’t get past the musical part.
I don't care if it's good or not; the lead actress instantly vaporized any goodwill that I had for the film when she opened her trap. Yet another $80 saved.
It was hard pass for me when John M. Chu was attached to direct. He hasnt directed one movie I enjoyed. And they race swap the Witch (I know green skin in shouldnt matter) but if shes in green skim why race swap her? Every other noteworthy actress that has played the role was a white woman. Why change that?
@@hulkfan97imo race doesn't matter as much as her description in the book which is literally sharp features and tall. Yh they dropped the ball on this and muddled the story esp with making her sister mixed instead of white and fiyaro white instead of Indian.
It's not just Chris.. Quite a few "UA-cam" reviewers have said it's actually pretty good. To each their own of course but it's not like he is the only one. I guess it depends on how you go into seeing a movie.. I didn't hate Rise of Skywalker the first time I saw it.. It retconned so much of The Last Jedi that I sat there cheering every time he shit on Rian Johnsons movie... Then I thought about what I just saw afterwards and realized just how bad a movie it really was... Like terrible. If you go into thinking you are going to hate it, you are only gonna find reasons to justify your opinion. That is what society does now... You see it in politics... No one can listen to the other side.. It's my way or the highway. There is almost no open mindedness anymore. You yell and scream at the woke agenda but you have your own as well... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
Watched it with my fam this weekend. It’s good imo. Sticks to the play pretty much, ends part one same as act one with the big song - ok greed yeah, but the correct place to split a 2-parter. Basically they read the brief and didn’t f*ck it up, these days that high praise. Agree it will do very well.
I am sick and tired of Hollywood taking highly popular IPs and forcimg diversity when adapting it. Just because a certain IP doesmt represent everyone doesnt make ot inherently a bad thing. Bastardizing it and making it reflect the worldview of today doesnt make it good in my opinion. They obviously put a lot of time and effort into this and then they ruined it to make it as purposelly diversed as possible. Why couldnt they go The Wiz route and make their own thing. I like that movie and would love to see a modern take on it. But nope we get this monstocity. Fuck you Hollywood. You have a really good all black cast Wizard of Oz story and you completely ignore it to ruin Wicked instead.
Chris often falls for "Nostalgia" in his reviews. He did the same thing with "The Flash". He really talked up a movie that was pretty bad over all due to the "feels".
I'm sure it's a good product for people who like this kind of shit. Because this story organically pushes the message they want to send to us; good is evil, evil is good, and we're all bad person
Thanks guys for a reasonable and balanced review!! I was deeply impressed by Wicked. I didnt want this film because I thought they would ruin it. I'm really happy to say it's crowdpleasingly good. It really is our Avengers Endgame. I grew up on Oz. I love Return to Oz but I hated Oz the Great and Powerful. Wicked was better than I ever hoped. My heart is full
I appreciate that Chris gave an honest review. He didn't dunk on the film just to tell people what they want to hear.
It is actually a good movie. They actually treat the license well. It makes me interested in part 2.
It just makes the unforced marketing error that much more baffling. She absolutely did not need to say any of that, she could have waited and everyone would have loved it and loved her!
Channel your inner Mario Party Luigi and win by doing nothing!
It was a great movie, just give it a chance instead of hating for the sake of "woke" nonsense stuff
@@800Ms-k6nWe know it could be good, the problem was the negress that had to bitch about people editing the posters, we don't want to give her money. I myself might pirate it if I hear it isn't a chick-flick.
He most definitely did…saying all the gay stuff when the play has those same things
The reason the prequels have aged well is exactly because of the sequels and what they represent. The prequels, for all their faults, still had a love for the universe and its fans. And I'd argue that the overall story was great - it was the script, direction, and casting that dragged it down.
The sequels hated and misunderstood Star Wars entirely, treating it like an executive's pet project, destroying the universe - possibly irreparably.
How many stories and games were inspired by the prequels vs the sequels? The prequels for all their faults, added something meaningful to the universe, which others were able to grasp and expand upon, but the sequels utterly failed in that
The prequels have not aged well. Phantom Menace and particularly Attack of The Clones are absolutely unwatchable.
@@freedomisslavery6840 cry some more, prequels are the best
I would argue that direction was the main flaw, though scripting could've used some work for sure. But the casting was a hundred percent gold -- it's not their fault that the most wooden take for any given line is the one that made the final cut.
@@Rootiga The prequels are definitely not the best but they are far superior to the sequels. Phantom Menace is actually my favorite of the 3. Not a huge fan of Attack of the Clones as a whole but it does have some really great moments.
It’s hardly a shock that some people like it, it’s been a massively successful play for years!
especially if you stay true the source material and execute it well into the movie females will love it
This.
You can call them women you know? Females hahahaha. Obviously never talked let alone touches a women. Females... sigh.
Stage success doesn't always translate to screen success.
It would make yourself look stupid if you even try to underestimate the movie. Wicked has always been going to be successful from the start 😅
Stop giving money to people who hate you. Truly how difficult can it be ?
Yup.
Exactly, they spewed how much they loath us
Ask any taxpayer. 😉
@ I’ve done the same with hockey, they went pride nights, I went “no way”
@ difference is, taxes produce good things, to a certain point.
Monkeys that are supposed to dance and not spew, not so much, buhbye adult pretenders
I lost interest in it because of how insufferable the lady playing the Wicked Witch is.
Yep, green witch killed all interest. What a hateful woman.
That certainly didn't help. But, considering how much is this film earning at the cinemas, it seems it didn't bother too many people as much.
I don't care about Oz or Wicked so I wasn't going to watch it either way, just here for a sped up discussion panel giving their thoughts as usual.
For me it was Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater's affair.
Kids are saving it. Apparently it's a hit with kids and parents love an onscreen babysitter.
I'm trying not to fall into that trap. When Will Smith did the slap, I thought, fuck him, I am not watching anymore Will Smith movies.. but, that's dumb, they aren't Will Smith movies, they are movies with Will Smith. A lot of other people worked hard on these things so I am trying to separate their agendas and politics and selfishness aside and I'm willing to give the movie as an entity on it's own the chance the rest of them deserve.
"It's not overt..." It sounds overt.
Yeah even the original play from 2005 has obvious political overtones comparing the wizard and George W. Bush with digs about about regime change, his press secretary putting out propaganda and “if you’re not with us you’re with the terrorists.”
It's actually not. There's like one gay guy who's got a few seconds of screen time as the gbff but that's it really. It's there if you're looking for it, which I wasn't.
@@mariakhan7986exactly. I thought when Chris put an emphasis on the movie being gay he was just referring to the fact that it’s a whimsical and feminine film that most women and gay people would enjoy. I did not realize that there had been any men in skirts because i was too busy actually enjoying the film and cool sets.
@@jeffberriagreed. I went for my gf and I had 0 previous knowledge on the movie so I was more caught up in the world building and never really noticed those small details he pointed out
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@@chasehedges6775 Does it? They started going down the “woke” road with the second one. That whole wedding thing was cringe. I hope 3 reigns it back in.
If Shadow dual wields pistols, rides a motorcycle and says "damn" every 5 minutes it will be kino.
One More Month Until Sonic 3!
@brando3342 idk about it being woke but everyone definitely agrees the wedding was cringe and it seems Sonic 3 is focusing on the Sonic and Shadow story
Man, Chris Gore brought a tear to my eye mentioning movies on TV once a year back in the day, and the whole family sit to watch and quickly bustle about during 5min ads 😢
Little Rascals, Ben-Hur, Jason & The Argonauts, Batman Returns, Nightmare on Elm Street, Alien, Honey I Blew Up The Kid etc... Good ol' times that cable and streaming and smartphones have destroyed and separated us.
Yep, we've lost the magic of anticipation. And a pack of rabid, starving wild dogs couldn't drag me into a cinema to watch that movie. Still haven't recovered from the coma of boredom I collapsed into whilst watching the play, and that was a year ago😂
@@vivian9187 😂😂 the way you described your coma got me crying lol.. That's how I felt watching BatmanvsSuperman in cinema. 1st movie EVER to put me to sleep.
Good thing I've never seen the play.. The original movie was enough for me, and even then, it wasn't That awesome but it was adequate enough to bring the family together on the sofa and floor around the TV.
While we weren’t super religious, every Easter Sunday, we’d tune into ABC to see The Ten Commandments because it’s a badass film.
@@fishjones4618 beautiful well made film. i still quote at work "so let it be written so let it be done"
I had most of them on video I recorded of tv for years. I played Terminator 2 till the video wore out 😂
Is it good? I don't care. I'm tired of these contrived narratives of the villain being a misunderstood victim. Enough.
For sure, unless it's the film The Producers with Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder. I still laugh every time I see that movie😂
Wicked basically did it first. It doesn't mean you have to given it a pass, but it does mean that rather than being a trend chaser it was the original trend setter. Also, it's not that the villain is a victim, but that the villain wasn't born that way, yet chose poorly when confronted with obstacles.
@@chaosgyroit just means you're seeing the original
To be fair, the original book and the stage musical are both 10+ years old, and one of the first and best to do the villain thing, and did it really well. Then it became a big trope later. 🤷🏻♂️
This was written well before that trend from disney started.
Even if critics and the general audience say it’s good, I still wouldn’t bother to watch it, largely because it’s not for me, but also because of lead actress throwing a Shit Fit claiming she’s offended by a fans redesign of the movie poster.
I watched it and it was a great movie despite not liking musicals.
@@RealMadridFan-cr5jf
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🤗 The friends of Dorothy are.
She actually apologised for that. She said she wished she never made that post, that she a human moment and wished she could take it back. She said she wished she talked to a friend before responding online.
@ You know, you’re absolutely right, I don’t care if she actually did “apologize”, because like nearly everyone else in Hollywood, she’s nothing more than a narcissistic fairy who doesn’t know her asshole from her ear hole.
Idk man, didn't Chris Gore also think The Flash was good? His track record ain't too good
He did, plus he had a meltdown on one of the Open Bar episodes
He yelled at @BlueCollarLoser cause he made a silly joke about Gore not being a gamer & Chris told him to F off. I can’t trust that dude’s reviews anymore
He is gheyyyyyyy
He also liked She-Hulk
He also liked TLJ...
He always recommends bad movies
It doesn’t matter if the movie is good or not since the 2 main leads refused to keep their mouths shut and wanted to alienate the audience.
They aren't alienating their audience AT ALL. They're alienating me - and I was never going to see this movie anyway.
Wait, both?
I knew the witch had been saying shit, but what was Ariana saying?
@@regiman222 stealing other peoples husbands
@makeitsonumberone1358 that is a good reason, I just didn't care enough about either actress to know about that until now. Thanks.
They didn't really, because the target audience are -idiotic bints that agree with all of that stupid stuff- women.
As a part of a family, there's no way I'd agree to watch this movie. OG Wizard of Oz, yes, this no.
Absolutely same here. The OG wiz of oz is a classic good vs evil story. Wicked is putrid satanic rubbish blurring the lines between good and evil.
@@racheljames7Satanic? LOL
Honestly if anything go watch the stage production, that is the best way of seeing it, seen it twice on stage and would happily go see it a 3rd time
@@racheljames7it’s not in any way satanic but go off.
@@katrose5179 I'm not religious but Wicked certainly is trying to make the evil character the sympathetic character.
I’ll probably watch the 1939 original and Return to Oz
Beware the Wheelers!
Good call! They’re both worthwhile watching for sure.
@@nrsrymj Oh no… not the wheelers!
Return to Oz is nightmare fuel!
@@kevinjackman4026 Delicious delicious nightmare fuel. It's also the movie set where George Lucas met Rick McCallum.
I don't care how good it might be...
A. It continuing the "Updated for modern audiences trend...get fuckt
B. Its further story shenanigans and i don't trust them to not try the Cruella treatment.
C. A certain person's twitter-based freakout over the face tells me I dont want anything to do with her.
I'm tired of being burned, spit on and hated. They've used up my "willing to give something a chance" budget.
good youre not wanted - you have nothing to offer society and you dont deserve to partake in it anyway
Well the musical (and the book it's based on) were very much the original Cruella treatment (no idea if they did a better job, though)
The media it’s based on has been out for decades lmaooo
@@mocatwist22 They can always update it for an even more modern audience
I cant wait until people stop talking about this movie.
females will keep talking about it because the movie is so good
after seeing it I can confirm wicked is so much better than barbie I'd give it 9.5/10
@@waiken3727 ❌❌❌
@@thisismyname3928 trust me you can't hate the movie because it's well made even if you don't enjoy it hardly could find any flaws to hate on the movie
It’s about to make over 100 million it’s opening weekend so people will be talking about it awhile baby
Seeing Beau from the Lotus Eaters was a surprise to be sure… but a welcome one.
he has been on a few times before
He pops in time to time
Didn’t notice him at first!
Chris, is there someone holding a gun at you off screen? Blink twice for “yes.”
I was just noticing that his reviews all seem to sound the same over several channels... you would think he might... you know? Change it up a bit as his thoughts come and go? Admittedly, Wicked has only been out for a couple days, so, not much time to change his thoughts, but it sounds very... scripted, like he has to hit 'these talking points'...
@@blankadams3120 Gary does a lot of the same.
I don't necessarily think it's scripted though.
Lol 😂
“No, no.”
My wife and daughter who adore the play have refused to go see the movie after the pathetic antics of its "star".
Smart ladies
that's your loss I guess because the movie is a masterpiece
@@waiken3727X
@@waiken3727 It is not a masterpiece
Good on them.
Gore has had some wild takes.
More like bad takes.
Because he is gheyyyyyyyy
He explained himself pretty thoroughly and his take wouldn’t be considered wild or bad if it wasn’t for that actress being dumb and self centered.
It’s a film like Barbie, made to appeal to a particular audience. An audience that was always gay adjacent; which was never a bad thing nor should it be since it’s not changing or replacing anything from the play. This isn’t a “Spider-Man is gay now” kind of thing, it was always gay!
He’s a movie reviewer first and a member of the culture wars second! Just like Mauler.
@@Astroman10 it is a movie targetting the correct audience and shadaveristy also like. So i would not be surprise it would do well
@Astroman10 I respect his takes mostly but he still liked She-Hulk and will take him with a pinch of salt until I have a handful of reviews to go by.
The original Wizard of Oz story by Frank Baum is ultimately a Theosophical allegory, and an amazing one. While I'm sure Wicked is entertaining, it was obviously written with complete ignorance of Baum's true message. But that's the nature of the occult... only the few ever see it.
I love chris's critiques, but it would be foolish to support wicked after the meltdown the actress had.
We need to remind these actors of the good old days when they didn't start trouble all the time; even if it's a decent movie, it's marred by controversy, and the actress needs to pay a price for her hubris.
Women need to stop talking and listen much more often.
Sheer...friggin'...Hubris!
Why do people get so caught up in cancelling people? The same people who hate cancel culture are doing the same thing to the people who started the trend. You don't fight fire with fire. You want to seem better but then do the same things you hate about them.. I imagine there was hundreds of people who worked on this movie.. HUNDREDS, yet because one chick said something we didn't like we are going to boycott the movie? That isn't how life is supposed to work.. I think she was out of line with her comments too, but she isn't the only one who worked to make the movie. Love it or hate it, not seeing it because she is a whiney snowflake seems just as petty as the whiney snowflake.
I bet you also moan about cancel culture if the roles are reversed and it involves someone you like
Cancel culture ftw 😢
This is like patient zero for the subversion of expectations and rewriting history. The one that started it all
But back then it was new and interesting
@@ReidMontgomery95 Yes, but like with everything, Hollywood doesn't know how to do it right or when to stop, so they just put that shit in everything and did it until everything was dead.
@@ReidMontgomery95 No it wasn't.
@@archstanton9073 critically acclaimed and long-running play before the age of the turbo woke. Your mind might be too muddled with modern politics.
I agree.
The antics of the lead actress aside, I refuse to watch it just because it is horrifyingly miscast for almost every major role. Madame Morrible is supposed to be a masculine-androgynous woman, super tall and with a contralto voice, but they cast a tiny Asian lady in her part. Elphaba is supposed to be tall, slender, and sharp-featured, while the girl they cast in the role is average-sized and soft-featured (and also noodles way too much when singing, but that's just a personal preference). Nessa is supposed to be white as part of a commentary on racism, but instead they made her black and erased the entire bigoted reason she's disabled in order to justify their ridiculous miscasting of Elphie. Fiyero is supposed to be Indian (not black, thank you to one commenter for pointing it out to me), and they whitewashed him to once again justify the casting they chose for Elphie while still maintaining Elphie and Fiyero as a mixed-race pairing. The only one who seems to be proving me wrong is Ariana Grande, who I didn't think would be able to pull of Glinda, but seems passable in the role. The whole thing is a disaster.
I didn't know there was so many racial aspects to the story. And I saw the stageplay once.
Can you send a link to this information
@@caylya7869 It's in the book. I don't know if I can do more than that. There's been so many crackdowns on PDF hosting sites that I don't know if I could find one to link to you, and UA-cam deletes comments with links in them anyway.
I doubt they cast a white man for Fiyero to keep the mixed race pairing. It's more likely that the writers/casting agents didn't read the book and only saw the stage play, where he's almost always played by a white dude.
I doubt they would have passed an opportunity to have a another black character that the evul mean wacists couldn't complain about, because it's canon.
Fiyero is meant to be South Asian, not black.
At least those who made Wicked knew their audiance and gave them what they want. More than what Marvel and Star wars have been doing.
a lot of people very upset in these comments that the movie is directed toward the same audience it was directed toward in 2003
... Wait, it's two and a half hours long and the end AT THE INTERMISSION?!?
The movie is the story of the first act of the play ,
And it’s a really good story for a part 1 , ending at a good place leaving you wanting you to see the sequel .
I had never seen the play before
But I thought it was really good
(I also like certain musical movies tho like Les Mis and Hamilton so you definitely have to like musicals)
@Daniel145DI love musicals but hate all the ones you mentioned.
@@Attmay well that’s like , your opinion man
I actually thought it was fully over and was shocked at the tbc so I probably missed the part one at the beginning. I think it was a well done movie, because remember, theater musicals are a lot faster than movies.
It ends right after “Defying Gravity”, it’s a natural place to split it
I am not an Ariana Granda fan so I'll pass
who cares as long as the movie is good that's all that matters
@@waiken3727All that matters? What about integrity? Self respect? We are in the middle of a war being waged against us and you'd rather give into it for a little bit of entertainment? You're weak man. I don't need their slop to enjoy my life and I'm not gonna watch them mock me on screen and get away with it by continuing to support them.
@@stormcutter59 well you're a petty man then just enjoy the movie
@@stormcutter59 who mocks you? the green actor? just because one actor attacking the fans doesn't mean they all do not everyone is perfect
@@waiken3727 Petty? These actors live under the same rainbow. All the racist dogma they think about their audience, the dumb gaslighting and self righteous deprication they engage in to their own fans is all the same. After a while you get tired of watching them. Go ahead mate, sniff their own farts. Give them money and praise their miserable a$$es.
Yeah, don't be petty like me, be a neurotic addict to your own entertainment, and let the pretty lights get you through your day. Let it fill that vacant hole in your heart where your self respect would usually occupy. It's your problem, not mine bro
not that anyone cares. that sign originally meant unisex bathroom.
I care, very cool info :D
Huh TIL. Never encountered those, normally it was just the male and female figure together to indicate that.
no it didn’t
I don't know why, but, every time Chris says something is gay but its for the whole family leads me to believe that something like that isn't for children...? I know what he's trying to say, its just the way he's saying it that I'm like "Hold up! Wait a minute!" 😂
It's got big dance numbers, with elaborate costumes and makeup. Was quite impressive actually
I guess it depends on the brand of 'gay'. Choreography, dancing, singing etc, perfectly fine for the family, entertaining in fact, fisting strange men in the back alley for a fiver, not so family orientated.
@@kingcosworth2643 Well I don't what that last part has to do specifically with musicals, but, OK... 😝
He means camp but says gay instead.
Bro the movie isn’t gay 😭
All the cope and whining in the comments lol. I'm hearing that even people who dont like musicals and had no interest in the movie say its good. And honestly, good for them. Glad to see they did a good job.
Personally i just have no interest in the world of Oz or a musical so i won't see it. Simple as. So much salt in the comments lol
I agree. I've seen a lot of whiny comment sections but this is right up there with some of the whiniest most unhinged takes I've seen in awhile. It's comical how deranged some of these comments are. I want to tell every one of them to just go outside and breathe a bit, it's not that serious.
I don’t like movie musicals and hated Wicked lol. Objectively I wouldn’t say it’s good (as a movie), but it’s not terrible either. I can see why people liked it because the play is well loved. This one wasn’t for me lol.
If you’re a fan of the musical, you’re probably gonna like it. It’s very faithful to the source material. If you hated the musical, skip it.
This is not source material that deserves a faithful adaptation.
@Attmay I totally get that it’s not for everyone. Like he said, “If you like Thai food, you’ll like this.” It has a large enough audience to justify an adaptation. At the time it came out, the sympathetic villain story was a fairly novel concept. I don’t agree that literally every other studio should copy it and was really annoyed when Disney beating it to death. but there’s a big difference between shoehorning junk into an established property, and writing an original story with those themes.
A Wicked adaptation makes sense financially too. The musical dominated Broadway for the entire 2010’s, so it’s a smart move to adapt it for film. The built-in audience is huge. My local theater was PACKED, so they’re clearly onto something.
Disney made the mistake of fucking with the things people like, and trying to turn them all into Wicked, which is the reason why we have all these destroyed properties. That wasn’t the musical’s fault, it’s the fault of directors and studio execs alienating their built-in audiences trying to be something they’re not. Wicked is well-received because it’s original and honest.
This is the most balanced take in this comments section.
@@AttmayWhy not? It’s one of the most beloved musicals ever.
You know in the original books, the Witches were completely in Control of Oz BEFORE The Wizard arrived in Oz, and also the Wizard tricked them into thinking he was more powerful than they were, but he never interfered with their Authority in their own lands because he had no power to act against them. He kept to the Emerald City and no one questioned him because they feared his power. But he never wielded his "Power" like a Tyrant, he just did what he could to keep things working smoothly in the the City. He sent Dorothy and Co after the Wicked Witch of the West because she was the only dangerous one left to worry about because Glinda and he sister in the North (who is the one who Dorothy First meets in Oz) were Benevolent and Kind, while the Witches of the East and West were nasty and Cruel. Lesson here is Read the original Oz books, they are a real treat
The Wizard forced everyone to wear green glasses so they would believe his lie that the Emerald City was actually made of emeralds. And he had a magical sex-change done on a baby, then sent her off to be a slave/servant so he could steal her throne. He was definitely a bit of a tyrant.
@@oliviastratton2169 I forgot the bit with Ozma. But wasn't the Enchantment solely Mombi? I mean he gave her to Mombi, but what Mombi did with her afterwards, what that his Order??
@daishikaze3986 Honestly, I can't remember exactly. I thought he was in on it since changing her gender helped conceal her identity and that was his goal. But I can't remember if it was explicitly confirmed in the text.
Just saw the movie. I think it’s decent. I get that people want to discourage actors and others attacking fans and acting like hysterical narcissists. But boycotting a decent movie really punishes everyone who contributed to the film. We shouldn’t always let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Collateral damage
There must be casualties in the culture war
Eh...I'm with Arch: different approaches for different times, and until actors and developers learn humility-> Stick, Stick, and more Stick.
...With the possibility of a nice carrot when they finally learn to behave.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 I can respect that opinion.
It's just a shame that social media causes actors to ruin the character image and irreparably break the fourth wall, therefore destroying any suspension of disbelief. The real world and fantasy are not supposed to overlap this much. Bad faith social gimmicks will ABSOLUTELY ruin media. People are sick of it. Wicked was screwed the instant that goofy broad fired up her Twitter.
I’m boycotting Hollywood,who’s with me?🎉
on twitter...everyone. in reality...nobody.
Too online. Get a life
Sorry, Chris. I love the old Wizard of OZ movie and Wicked is an abomination. It completely tears the whole original story apart and started the, "the villain is actually good/justified" trend that makes me want to throw up.
So its deliberate subversion and normalization of evil? No wonder Hollywood tried to reboot it.
Thw film doesn't even get far enough for her to even start to become the villain. It's titled "Part one" They're milking this for all they can.
Didn't Chris Gore also loved Avatar: The Way of Water?
and Wonder Woman 84 and The Flash and abunch of other shitty things that he still shills for because the only thing he has in his pathetic life is the ability to say he has Hollywood connections
what's wrong with avatar that movie made 2.3 billion people loved it you're in the minority that hate it chris gore is representing the general audiences unlike you
“Popular = good”
Avatar: Way of Water was good though. Flash for all of Ezra's antics had no business being entertaining and watchable. Of course, Michael Keaton and Sasha Callie broke their backs carrying the film.
@@waiken3727 Massive marketing campaigns do not mean a movie is good, Shawshank Redemption bombed at the theatres yet it's regarded as one of the best movies made. Box office returns mean nothing in relation to the quality of a movie. I didn't bother seeing the second Avatar, the first one was the most cliched, ideological and stereotyped movie I have ever seen, I couldn't bare the thought of seeing the second one.
Everything Chris said was 'refreshing' sounded absolutely abhorrent to me. Hard pass.
Like he said it’s for women and gays.
@@brandong298 In other words, its doomed to flop like all the other ones.
@@jurgenlomax9693 I don’t know there are a lot of women and gays out there lol. I get a feeling unlike Snow White this one won’t flop.
@@brandong298 I'm reminded of a line from "The IT Crowd" where Roy says "It's a gay musical called 'Gay'?! Aren't ALL musicals gay?"
@@brandong298 A lot of people saw the stage-show, so it's got a big built-in audience. I'd expect it to do well... and that's fine. If Hollywood sees that women and gays like musicals adapted from The Wizard of Oz (and more importantly pay money to see them), perhaps they'll stop trying to turn superheroes and Sci-fi into things that women and gays want to watch and ruining them for EVERYBODY in the process.
Being villified implies they are not really a villain.
Ariana Grande would be a great choice to play Skeletor
A+ comment, that certainly made me chuckle! Here, have a like! 😂
@@chrishill9197ur all over the comment section hating on ariana😂 bro is obsessed
I thought the1939 movie was self contained and required no expansion of the story. This is Hollywood trying to go back to a played out gold mine hoping to find that last little nugget.
I really don't care about the Wicked Witch's back story. Like Snow White, give the 1939 Wizard Of Oz it's honored place then go on to create the next story we'd want to remember.
This is the same guy who gave a positive review of The Flash. I don't trust Chris.
You don't trust the guy that like SheHulk?!?!?!?
Smart man!
But I enjoyed The Flash...
It had babies in microwaves. What more could you possibly want?
Me too no credibility for me
To be fair to Chris, he did acknowledge how retarded most of the movie was and said that Batman and gracious ass shots were the biggest things the Flash had going for it.
I appreciate the honest review. But it’s a film I personally refuse to watch. I can’t stand Ariana Grande as a person let alone watching her on screen as “sweet, innocent Glinda” with Ethan Slater knowing those two were clearly fooling around behind Ethan’s now ex-wife’s back around prior to the news breaking about it. I feel bad for that woman, I can’t imagine what she must be feeling like with all this Wicked promotion in everyone’s faces currently. It’s going to be great hearing about the Grande & Slater breakup when it does happen though, Grande isn’t good with keeping the same man around for a long time..
grande this slater that, who fucking cares watch the movie
Mind your business
how pathetic and parasocial are you to even care about the personal business of someone you do NOT know, grow tf up Ariel
I was saying, the actress w the bull nose ring would be the only thing that could ef up such an easy home run.
So basically his point is "if you don't like gay musicals you're not gonna like this gay musical". Brilliant take, Chris :P
But what about Thai food
@@kingcosworth2643 I thought I loved Thai food but I learned the dish I was obsessed with is Vietnamese and I have never actually had any Thai food so I don't know.
He’s right, though. It’s like trying to convince people to like comic book movies when they don’t like comic book movies. 🤷🏻♂️
@scubasteve2189 Of course he's right. It's a Captain Obvious level statement. What next? "If you don't have feet you don't need to buy shoes"?
@@LordBaktor Yeah, as a normal thinking person, it seems obvious to you and I. The point he’s making is that there will be a lot of people making hate videos and reviews who don’t like musicals and never will. Meanwhile, people who actually like musicals will probably enjoy it. Again, it’s pretty obvious, but UA-cam content creators and a lot of commenters don’t seem to grasp basic concepts. Especially the fact that people can have different like and dislikes. 🙄
Wicked is an insult to Baum's original books (and the 1930's classic movie as well).
Come off it please. Hating on it is silly It's not that bad.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX It is that bad. I read the book back when it came out and it was awful. I haven't seen the play or movie because why would I want to.
@@archstanton9073 No. You are closed minded and stuck in your ways. That and upvoting your posts with Sock Puppet accounts is peak cringe.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX The hell are you talking about. I'm old (considering I read Wicked when it first came out). I have neither the time nor the inclination to create Sock Puppet accounts.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX Says the close minded person refusing to acknowledge the existence of a diverging opinion.
Even if itnwas a masterpiece I cant support the people that openly hate me.
I dont hate them back, I just feel indifference, and on principle, I cant support them.
That's like going to a restaurant with really great food but you had a bad server once so you never go back... Doesn't matter that the kitchen staff exceeded your expectations by providing you a great meal. The server had a bad day and wasn't polite so you go home and write a bad review and never go back, punishing every other person there because of one person not living up to expectation.. That is a flaw in your humanity... But hey... who am I? I guess we all get to be as petty and close minded as we want to be.
maybe you deserve to be hated
@@snowman22ismI think it's a low blow to call that a flaw in someone's humanity - wanting to avoid a repetition of a negative experience. It's what we're all, as humans, naturally inclined to do.
@@snowman22ism No, it's more like the owner and the staff directly telling you they think you're an idiot.
This isn't just a "bad day," and not just a single staff member attacking you. This is an entire industry directly insulting you non stop.
@@snowman22ism With prices these days, every member of staff at a restaurant--from the host to the depths of the kitchen--needs to be excellent to secure return business. If someone's having a bad day, they need to plaster on a fake smile, treat each customer like a VIP, and have their meltdown at home, like an adult 😂
I thought the half-skirt was there just for the dance choreography, but I could totally be wrong.
God the way that that guy reviewing Wicked was walking on eggshells because he liked it... he had to qualify it by saying "it's so gay" and "at least it only has heterosexual stuff"... what a laughably immature atmosphere. Embarrassing for you all.
Chris saying this is a gay superbowl was all it took for me. I will NOT watch this film.
Shame because it's not gay. Just saw it as a straight guy with a hang over. Actually not bad
I find it kinda hilarious that so many of you cant think for yourself and depent on other people's opinion 🤣
jeez is Wicked actually 25 years old? i just turned 40 i hadn’t realized this weird obsession with explaining the sad reasons villains are evil (usually female villains) had been happening more then half my life.
i’m a straight dude and i actually enjoy musicals now and then but i have never had interest in this particular story. leave the Wizard of Oz alone. the fact that they were friends in college together sounds like the dumbest idea to begin with, i cannot even picture what a “college” in the magical and flamboyant land of Oz would be. it sounds more like Harry Potter fan fiction.
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Just 21!
Welcome to the brave new world where everyone has their origin overexplained, and is usually some poor tortured soul so you feel obligated to fix them
It's crap
You haven't even seen it yet. Hate bandwagoning is also toxic.
@DavidCunningham-s6kyes it is
@@BlackWingedSeraphXyou haven’t either, stop giving money to studios that hate you
@@chucksenhowzen9740 But hating on something before you've seen it is already closed minded and inherently ignorant. It makes you just as intolerant. Going into something hating it is never the right attitutde. That and even if you disagree with a message you can still enjoy a descent story, action, and drama if there is one.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX- On the contrary, it makes people intelligent. I don't have to experience every bad situation to know it's bad.
Can we just differentiate the fantasy art from messaging? Especially when they are not overt about it unlike Disney. Why do things have to be labeled “gay” or tied to politics? Victorian era males frequently wore skirts. Let’s just enjoy art for what it’s meant to be and not put labels with connections to our real world.
A reminder that Wicked is an accidental pro-life story.
I wouldn't assume that it's entirely accidental... at least not at the book end.
Chris Gore: you had me until your hamfisted parallel between l Elpheba and Trump. You say her cause was virtuous (helping animals) but there is no case to be made at all for Trump’s virtue. It’s honestly the worst metaphor I’ve ever heard a critic make.
Words cannot express how bad Gore's takes consistently are. If he didn't have Hollywood access I really think he wouldn't be in this sphere.
I thought I was the only one...
Yeah, it’s kind of ridiculous
What are you talking about??? He has friends in Hollywood circle and has called them out before. Chris also hasn’t been invited to D23 stuff because he’s ripped on Marvel Disney stuff. Chris Gore’s takes are not bad.
@jayw3512 'His takes aren't bad' Ok, case closed guys.
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"I liked shehulk" is a very bad take! Remind me again of his takes on the flash?!
The whole, separate the artist from the art these days unfortunately doesn't really cut it. Supporting a work of art made by a terrible person, is supporting that terrible person, financially and spiritually/emotionally.
I think the genius of the story is that it’s dealing with pretty timeless and universal issues of political corruption, biased agenda-driven media, the power of education systems, etc.
So it allows you to interpret the story in a way that matches your own world view instead of force feeding a particular view or ideology
Wicked is NOT a prequel! Its not written by the author of Wizard of Oz, nor is it cannon. Its a fanfiction musical that was made into a film.
Women in pants??????
The horror!!
As a fan of the play, I 100% think the play was better. The actess who played Elphaba never gave the same amount of soul as any of the original actresses.
Surprisingly, Arianna Grande did an incredible job with her character, while Cynthia Erivo just felt like the wrong choice.
Her songs had no soul!!!
Overall, the movie felt like it was trying to be the Broadway show instead of a movie. Solid 5 or 6 out of 10.
This movie is NOT for me, trust me.
Hot take.....the original Wizard of Oz is over rated. I'm from the same era as Chris as preferred the Great Escape or Hammer horror films.
The play is overrated. Do not care for it. Do not care for this movie. Zero interest. I’ll read the Wizard of Oz book series instead, thanks
Gregory Maguire is a boomer and therefore part of their collective complicity in the largest act of generational wealth hoarding in history. I will not support anything based on his works, and his toxicity has infected Disney, hence all those adjective-named cope movies because they lost the rights. It wasn't worth it when they made a much better *Oz* movie in the 1980s already.
The original Wizard of Oz is an allegory. current rendition is sheer buffoonery.
Cynthia Arivo has a beautiful voice. I expected some 'flavor' in it but her voice sounds oddly "white". Ariana Grande is uber-talented. I was prejudiced against her when she first started gaining popularity years ago but she has proven to be versatile and charmingly funny in the movie
This is basically just a gay guy who's trying to convice his straight buddies that wicked is cool.
Perfect way to put it
Chris Gore way off base here, super hot take, didn’t know he started to shill….
“Wicked is actually good”
Me: Nah it’ll be fine!
I don't give a shit. I hate musicals and have 0 interest in seeing this. Also I'm sick of this re-categorizing of female villains as just misunderstood outcasts villainized and mistreated by men.
Calm down it’s just a film
Wicked did it before the trend of it and does it 100% better. And if you don’t like musicals, why are you ranting about it.
Hmmmm ... it's not like Wicked was jumping on the bandwagom. The book it was based on was written in 1995
@joer626 no it isn't. It is pr0paganda
You should try the book. Elphaba is a straight up domestic terrorist and she's still the hero.
No it's actually not. Next question
The villain is just misunderstood 🙄.
I don't trust anyone who melts in water
TBF, Wicked was the OG play that started the whole trope.
It's insufferable now with how many times the idea has been cloned to make us hate it, but at the time, it was actually a reasonably original idea.
@Neognostic-pk5wu And I hated it from Day 1. Being the original doesn’t make it necessarily good. I don’t like it or its progeny. The moral relativism involved is nauseating to me. Having said all that, I see your point - a good point well made! I just don’t like that narrative whenever and wherever it’s found (personal preference). Now give me a good redemption arc, which is very different, and I’ll swoon. See, eg, Boromir’s arc in LOTR.
The reason why they kept both Elphaba and Glinda as having male interests in the movies is because they didn't really have a choice. The romance between The Scarecrow and Elphaba is a huge part of the musical, and trying to hand-wave that away would have fundamentally changed the story to the extreme. Most of the musical wouldn't have made much sense, really. Adding in the whole bisexual tones could make it so they could have their DEI-approved THE MESSAGE shoved into the movie and still include the Scarecrow/Elphaba romance. The movie would have had to have changed way too drastically in order to make them both pure lesbians, so much so that it would literally have become an entirely new movie.
So don't give Hollywood too much credit for keeping in the male interest angle... in this case, they would have had no way to tie in The Wizard of Oz without the Scarecrow/Elphaba romance, so they really didn't have a choice in the matter. Not without pretty much the entire audience calling BS, anyway.
Just have the Scarecrow transition between this story and whenever Dorothy shows up
I think the movie's a good example of how terrible marketing and an inability for celebrities to keep their mouths shut can sink a project.
Well they considered it's a decent movie. I enjoyed it. I'd have enjoyed it more if I didn't know about all the drama.
"can sink a project"
"I enjoyed it"
Huh?
@fewwiggle They screwed up right out the gate and I was tempted to not even bother with it. That's what I meant when I said it could sink an otherwise decent enough movie.
@@NinjaMan47 Well, the returns so far seem to say it will be a financially successful movie.
Exactly. That is the point I'm trying to make, that all of the marketing woes with the dolls and celebrity drama about the movie poster were not indicative of another disaster-piece coming down the pipe.
If people went into the movie theater expecting garbage and got garbage, you could guarantee word-of-mouth would have lit up fast.
@@fewwiggle A project can be enjoyed by an individual and hated by a group. All at the same time! 😱
Yeah, I'm still not interested. Mainly because it's a part 1, and I don't like the studio trying to hide it.
wait, it’s part 1? That’s just mean. If I got to the end and had found that out I would absolutely be fried.
I appreciate Gore willing to give the unpopular but honest opinion. He’s open to a larger breadth of film than most on the show so his opinion is welcome.
I despise musicals and the cast hates me. This is made for women and gay men, and I hope they enjoy it, but I'm not going anywhere near it.
I hope my favorite tubers are done talking about it now they've gave it its due.
Totally your prerogative, but all of Hollywood hates you/us, if you like film, you like movies by people who hate you. It’s not actually really gay, Oz is just eccentric. If you hate musicals, sure that’s your taste, but sad! There’s a lot of good musicals.
@@jasoncain9602man of la mancha is dope
I’m a women and hate this, especially I’m not paying people who told me how much they loath me
@@jasoncain9602Sure they do kiddo...
I have to defend musicals, Blues Brothers, Team America, South Park etc...
Like the majority of US voters aka ‘the silent majority’ I am all-gayed-out. Turn off the bullhorns and STFU. We are done.
Elphaba and Glinda are in love with a man
Straight people cover 80% of the world and you’re still complaining about gay people, but trust me I feel the same way whenever I see a straight couple kiss in moves and tv im obviously joking but that’s really how stupid it sounds to me.
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THAT was a miracle!!!
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 theyre kinda gay tho
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*still kinda gay
Hence why I still see this movie as woke.
This is a pass. I’ve always been disappointed in villains made heros with an origin story, as this might have been part of the beginnings of that trend. Let villains stay villains. Not interested in otherwise.
I love your content. UT the political analogy was pure crap. The play came out 20 years ago, yet somehow it was meant to me a commentary on modern politics??!! Go away now
Based on the story and reviews, I’m pretty sure the word people are looking for is decent, which isn’t a term used very often. A score of 6.5-7.5/10 would be a good fit.
Gore stop shilling men aren’t watching this one. Have better taste
2010 - 2024 permanently completely ruined the “gay people are cool” trope for me. So I’m not bothering.
Is he trying to say, if you don't like Thai food, don't go to a Thai restaurant?
Yeah, wth did he mean by that?
He saying that some people really like Thai food and some don’t.
There is no point sending a person who doesn’t like Thai food to an excellent Thai restaurant
Some people don’t like musicals. So telling them a musical movie is excellent is pointless. They can’t get past the musical part.
I don't care if it's good or not; the lead actress instantly vaporized any goodwill that I had for the film when she opened her trap. Yet another $80 saved.
Love this channel but I'm so sick of Chris constantly talking too long and rambling his thoughts out to the extreme...
God forbid people talk during a live stream lol
@Ally_Whitlock lol the others aren't annoying to listen to.
I agree with Beau on this, hard pass for me.
It was hard pass for me when John M. Chu was attached to direct. He hasnt directed one movie I enjoyed. And they race swap the Witch (I know green skin in shouldnt matter) but if shes in green skim why race swap her? Every other noteworthy actress that has played the role was a white woman. Why change that?
@@hulkfan97imo race doesn't matter as much as her description in the book which is literally sharp features and tall. Yh they dropped the ball on this and muddled the story esp with making her sister mixed instead of white and fiyaro white instead of Indian.
Chris with another nonsensical take
I think Drinker agrees but is too polite to say it there-that’s why he has us! 😂
Chris Gore is a fence riding shill. The guys want to think he's cool, but he is just a plant. I skip any show that has him on it.
It's not just Chris.. Quite a few "UA-cam" reviewers have said it's actually pretty good. To each their own of course but it's not like he is the only one. I guess it depends on how you go into seeing a movie.. I didn't hate Rise of Skywalker the first time I saw it.. It retconned so much of The Last Jedi that I sat there cheering every time he shit on Rian Johnsons movie... Then I thought about what I just saw afterwards and realized just how bad a movie it really was... Like terrible. If you go into thinking you are going to hate it, you are only gonna find reasons to justify your opinion. That is what society does now... You see it in politics... No one can listen to the other side.. It's my way or the highway. There is almost no open mindedness anymore. You yell and scream at the woke agenda but you have your own as well... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
It’s not nonsensical you’re just biased because of the poster ordeal.
Watched it with my fam this weekend. It’s good imo. Sticks to the play pretty much, ends part one same as act one with the big song - ok greed yeah, but the correct place to split a 2-parter. Basically they read the brief and didn’t f*ck it up, these days that high praise. Agree it will do very well.
I don't care if it's the greatest show on Earth. I'm not watching it.
okay but I am
@@waiken3727 You are really running a full court press on this comment section today, huh?
@@matthew5226 yes you like it?
Just report him for Spamming, I already have.
@@chindleymuffin haha but I still didn't receive any notifications of your report clearly youtube system is protecting me
Sorry, but I don't trust Chris Gore reviews. Fool me once... but, twenty times.
Take it for what it is. He's a next-level theater junkie. Can't blame him; can't take him seriously either
I’m confused. He said he’s a fan of it but he also said it’s gay and woman centric so is it good or not?😂
Sounds VERY gay, did I mention it's "very gay"....but not overtly.🤔
I am sick and tired of Hollywood taking highly popular IPs and forcimg diversity when adapting it. Just because a certain IP doesmt represent everyone doesnt make ot inherently a bad thing. Bastardizing it and making it reflect the worldview of today doesnt make it good in my opinion. They obviously put a lot of time and effort into this and then they ruined it to make it as purposelly diversed as possible. Why couldnt they go The Wiz route and make their own thing. I like that movie and would love to see a modern take on it. But nope we get this monstocity. Fuck you Hollywood. You have a really good all black cast Wizard of Oz story and you completely ignore it to ruin Wicked instead.
Well now we know who the friends of Dorothy are.
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Chris often falls for "Nostalgia" in his reviews. He did the same thing with "The Flash". He really talked up a movie that was pretty bad over all due to the "feels".
I'm sure it's a good product for people who like this kind of shit.
Because this story organically pushes the message they want to send to us; good is evil, evil is good, and we're all bad person
It may be good but I think her meltdown will still have cost them at least a million in ticket sales
Thanks guys for a reasonable and balanced review!! I was deeply impressed by Wicked. I didnt want this film because I thought they would ruin it. I'm really happy to say it's crowdpleasingly good.
It really is our Avengers Endgame. I grew up on Oz. I love Return to Oz but I hated Oz the Great and Powerful. Wicked was better than I ever hoped. My heart is full