Are You Using The WRONG Brake Pads??

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  • Опубліковано 23 сер 2024

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  • @madched
    @madched Рік тому +15

    I'm opposite, I've never noticed this warm up period or noise from metallic pads (unless when wet), they work flawlessly,. However my experience with resin pads is the brake fade and glazing. Once it happens, the rest of your ride is over.

  • @TheRickysee
    @TheRickysee 11 місяців тому +3

    Definitely the best and most concise and common sense views I’ve heard on this topic. Good job thank you.

  • @jpconstantineau
    @jpconstantineau Рік тому +15

    Any thoughts on ceramic pads? How does their performance differ from Sintered Metallic, semi-metallic or Resin pads?

  • @ManNomad
    @ManNomad Рік тому +7

    Must be the riding style. I go through 2-3 metallic rear pads sets and one front set per year and find the resins unsafe when I need to stop. Maybe the Zee/Saint have a different feel. I am either max braking or off the brakes more than average riders and run the largest rotors allowed F/R. If I can't lock up my brakes with one finger at any time I don't trust them to stop me. Like you said...personal preference. Also, I buy bulk China metallic pads and find them as good or better then factory Shimanos at a fraction of the price. Only run Shimano rotors though. They are consistent though wear out quickly. Absolutely can not stand Sram brakes. No way No how. Hate them. P.S brake noise with metallic pads is 100% definitely installation or contamination not the pads.

  • @Likelybiking
    @Likelybiking Рік тому +3

    I live in the same area as you and I definitely prefer resin forsure!!
    I had the Paul Klampers on my gravel bike and was super bummed about the braking performance. Once I put on resin pads they work sooo well!

  • @daseishorn1863
    @daseishorn1863 Рік тому +2

    On alpine descending with luggage I had trouble on many descents with fade which caused me to have to grab my brakes like crazy to stop. Since I’ve got metallic pads I’ve not had a problem.

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому +2

      You’re the ideal candidate for metallic pads!

  • @jonathonwilliams93
    @jonathonwilliams93 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this video dude, I'm doing my first MTB build and I bought a used bike. Pads were SHOT (as is a lot of stuff on my bike) so this video helped a lot to select the right pads!

  • @paulkelly9554
    @paulkelly9554 7 місяців тому +1

    Oh bliss so little rain, my dream place. I'm in the UK and we get more like 300 days of rain.

  • @PanSkrzetuski
    @PanSkrzetuski Рік тому

    I appreciate the straightforward comparison. Just what I was looking for.

  • @not-a-raccoon
    @not-a-raccoon 21 день тому

    I switched to semi metallic from the stock resin pads on my mt201 brakes. Sanded the rotors with 180 grit and cleaned with acetone (i think. Here in Norway it's called "red spirit." Its what i had on hand.). And i noticed right away even before bedding there was an improvement in braking performance. Braking is highly subjective and it pays to experiment.

  • @warrenjansen7096
    @warrenjansen7096 14 днів тому

    If you're still out there, maybe you can answer this for me. Your video was very informative and well done but how do I determine what kind of pads are on my bike now if I don't know? I know the backing plates come painted different colors, but it seems to me that the pads themselves have three distinctly different looks. How do I tell what I have?

  • @danharvey3096
    @danharvey3096 Місяць тому

    It's interesting about squealing brakes.. I had a bike with Magura MT5s, factory resin pads up front & Galfer black metalic at back, & i hardly noticed any squealing in regular 500m descents, both in dry & post rain on wet hardpack.. Then i bought a new 2nd hand YT Tues with SRAM Codes, resin pads f/r, & i noticed the brake fade & i noticed squealing due to classic lack of SRAM stopping power.. Then before i sold my old bike i swapped the brakes over, Magura on the new bike & SRAM Code onto the old.. And pretty much silent brakes again.. The only time ive noticed squealy brakes is times where after a week of rain the trail is so wet & muddy that you have to modulate the whole way down cos there's litterally no traction, your'e squirreling the whole way down & you have to run super low pressure.. Other than that i havnt noticed loud noisy brakes, wether resin or metalic.. Except for when ive had a contaminated rotor.. I think sometimes it comes down to people not bedding in their rotor/pads properly, or cleaning their rotor occasionally with brake cleaner. Or maybe braking technique, grabbing or dragging their brakes rather than modulating them as much as possible.. My constant irrational/rational fear is using my brakes too much & wearing my pads & having no ability to brake haha, so i instinctively modulate.. I think modulation is key to less noisy braking..

  • @michaelhotten752
    @michaelhotten752 Рік тому +2

    I read a blog post on Shimano's site that said some of their pros would run a combination setup in each caliper. So a metallic on the inner piston and a resin on the outer. I forget now the reasoning but something to chew on.

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому +1

      Yea some do that since the inner pad tends to wear faster than the outer.

  • @TotallyNormal88
    @TotallyNormal88 10 місяців тому +2

    Have to disagree on the longevity of resin pads, on my e-bike I can get through a set in a few weeks by which point the resin has started crumbling and my pistons are almost fully extended. My sintered pads last well over a year for the most part. The screaming brake problem is definitely an issue though, I hate it and find myself riding the brake for a few seconds to heat the pads and rotors, drying them out.
    I have a short but very steep descent by my house and by the time I get to the bottom on resin pads, they have nothing left to give. With the sintered pads, I find that they work just as well as when they were at the top except there is noticeable pressure on the callipers from the fluid temperature rising.

  • @neilgoth1974
    @neilgoth1974 6 місяців тому

    I've been running mixed pads per caliper for years: sintered for the inner pad and resin/semi-metallic for the outer pad.

  • @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995
    @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995 Рік тому +3

    I'm a Shimano guy for both MTB and Road brakes and I found that upgrading rotors for thicker ones solved most of the drawbacks of metallic pads. I don't need organic pads anymore.

    • @gammelgemse
      @gammelgemse 9 місяців тому

      But shimano rotors all come in the same thickness? 🤔

    • @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995
      @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995 9 місяців тому +2

      @@gammelgemse Yes, but I have Magura Storm HC and Sram HS2 rotors that are 2mm thich. They are also much cheaper than the MT900 rotors.

    • @gammelgemse
      @gammelgemse 9 місяців тому

      @@anthonyhebert-trudeau6995 interesting option, and presumably much heavier?

    • @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995
      @anthonyhebert-trudeau6995 9 місяців тому

      @@gammelgemse 147 grams for a Sram HS2 and 127 grams for a Magura Storm HC rotor both in 160 compared to 110 grams for a fragile Shimano MT900 rotor. If that's your definition of «much heavier»... I invite you to reconsider your priorities when it comes to weight savings.

    • @TecraX2
      @TecraX2 3 місяці тому +1

      @@anthonyhebert-trudeau6995 Switched to Sintered pads on my rear entry-level Shimano brake, along with upgrading the rotor from Shimano RT54 to SRAM HS2 (both 160 mm), and the difference has been like night and day!

  • @christianalboroto7574
    @christianalboroto7574 4 місяці тому +1

    How is your SLX brakes holding up now? Are you still using it and is it still good? Planning to get SLX to upgrade my MT200

  • @prof_writer
    @prof_writer Рік тому +3

    I like the organic pads. They don't have as much bite but seem to run silent for me. Never any screeching or grinding noise I get with the metallic pads.

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому

      Pretty much agree 100% 👌

    • @dennisyoung4631
      @dennisyoung4631 Рік тому

      The screech is a *big* issue, here. Semi-metallics work decently, *if they can be had.*

  • @TecraX2
    @TecraX2 3 місяці тому +3

    TLDR: Resin pads is definitely the way to go for people who want to avoid brake squeal at all cost... Even if this means occasionally plowing head-first into a concrete barrier or another type of obstacle due to the lack of stopping power!

  • @jerryspeedbumps512
    @jerryspeedbumps512 Місяць тому

    I have a resin pad on the back. The brakes wont stop the wheel and it squeals at the slightest of pressure and all the way after that. Im trying sintered

  • @Beiberhole69RVA
    @Beiberhole69RVA Рік тому +1

    Another well done vid! Check out the Truckerco semi-metallic pads. I use them on my 2 piston Deore's (aluminum plated), and 4 piston SLX's (they only make them in a steel plated). It really is the best of both worlds, you get that resin initial bite but no brake fade.
    My trails in VA don't require much sustained braking either. but I do a lot of short hard braking. Every now and then, when I go to the bike park, I don't need to switch to a straight metallic pad, unless I really wanted to.

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому +1

      Thx for the tip!

    • @do-ineedtosay723
      @do-ineedtosay723 Рік тому

      @Jonny Mej RVA: How noisy are those semi-metallic pads?
      *

    • @Beiberhole69RVA
      @Beiberhole69RVA Рік тому

      @@do-ineedtosay723 No noise, they sound just like resin pads, but you can see the metallic "threads" in the pad material, and they have more power than resin, just not as much as pure metallic.
      My local trails get closed by the various parks, when it's wet, so I can't say how they perform in wet conditions.

  • @johnykryll
    @johnykryll Рік тому +1

    Was using scintered for years and the squealing never stopped. Switched to resin and the squealing has disappeared completely

  • @yzracer55
    @yzracer55 6 місяців тому

    Fullerton and Anaheim Hills! If only you knew the adventures I've had on those trails 😅

  • @topbanana4013
    @topbanana4013 Рік тому +1

    about the metal pads they last longer yes, but your break disc does not i had metal pads for about 1 year now i just commute and joy ride on a trek hybrid fitted with Shimano XTR BR-M9000 XC break set and Shimano XTR SM-RT99 rotors. at £50 each rotor i be sticking to resin for durability of the rear rotor its really eaten into it. and been hydraulic breaks for what im doing makes no different to me. it stops when i want had both pads in. also sometimes you get the ticking sound of the metal pads just clipping against the rotor normally after heavy breaking. can be annoying

  • @fastbladeproductions7961
    @fastbladeproductions7961 10 місяців тому

    I just switched to "Cycle1st" brake pads.... they are ceramic, Kevlar and cooper.... so far I really like them.... this is on a road bike where at times I hit insane speeds.... 😀

  • @do-ineedtosay723
    @do-ineedtosay723 Рік тому

    I love that video clip at 3:05. It looks like you're emerging from darkness to heaven!
    *

  • @DieterVanHolder
    @DieterVanHolder Рік тому

    Damn dude stop flexing your great weather!! 😂 (Subscribed)

  • @hardmtnbiker
    @hardmtnbiker Рік тому

    I have always just defaulted to metallic pads and have been influenced to just keep using metallic. I think that’s a good analysis and I should try resin pads again. I have tried them before but it’s been such a long time and I can’t remember any difference in feel.

  • @DavidMcGuigan
    @DavidMcGuigan Рік тому +5

    Here in the UK, I've destroyed a set of resin pads in 3 hours of riding. The silty, sloppy mud just grinds them to the backing too quickly. Thankfully metallic last a few times longer.

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому

      Holy smokes, you tore through them. I guess sloppy conditions will do that

    • @aauden
      @aauden Рік тому +3

      Yep...organic pads can be like cream cheese in UK conditions...sintered is the only real option for anything but summer over here...

  • @davidcrowson4745
    @davidcrowson4745 Рік тому

    I just ordered a pretty nice set of tektro hydraulic brakes and upgraded my bicycle they came with brand new brake pads I'm not sure what kind they are but they stopped me pretty good.

  • @SteezyMcCheezie
    @SteezyMcCheezie Рік тому

    Thanks so much man🙏

  • @agentxanon6555
    @agentxanon6555 2 місяці тому

    Just got some AGPTEK Semi-metal brake pad, contains red copper fibre and Kevlar fibre to increase heat dissipation and wear resistance, 4 Pairs for £9 off ebay. When this comment gets a 6 month old comment on it and I'll let you know what I think.

  • @VictorElGreco
    @VictorElGreco Рік тому

    For the only occasional braking of XC riding, resin is just fine. 😌

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому +2

      Agreed. Or if you're hardcore and just never brake on a DH bike

  • @Keith2657
    @Keith2657 10 місяців тому +1

    Try Galfer pads. Best of both worlds. I hate metallic pads.

  • @90041hood
    @90041hood Рік тому +15

    Rubber for me - rim brakes FTW ! 🤪

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому +8

      Nice. “Rim brakes ARE disc brakes,” right?

    • @90041hood
      @90041hood Рік тому

      @@TheBikeSauce yes! 😂

    • @johnsheetz6639
      @johnsheetz6639 Рік тому

      I got converted.v brakes do great things but if your modulating your speed on a steep downhill I've seen some of the cheap ones turn to melting crayons. Of course it was on the cheapest bikes evers

    • @UltimateTuner10
      @UltimateTuner10 Рік тому

      @@TheBikeSauceI love my carbon discs

  • @AK-oz4ew
    @AK-oz4ew Рік тому

    Thanks. I'm watching it because I've got Shimano hydraulic MT200 brakes that are resin pads only, and being extremely disappointed by their performance. My old Shimano BR-M375 mechanical disk brakes can lock my wheels with 160mm rotors, and MT200 is maybe 70% as good with 203mm rotors. It makes me question hydraulic brakes in general, what is all the hype about... Brakes are not adjustable, can't move pads closer to rotor, have to deal with oil with zero benefits. Will try some semi metallic pads before I will put my mechanical disk brakes back.

    • @Pogo69
      @Pogo69 9 місяців тому

      The MT200 are just really terrible brakes. They are Shimano's entry level MTB, so they're popular on bike builds where the manufacturer wants to get the build cost down.
      I have them on my Polygon Siskiu D7 and nothing makes them good. Bigger rotors: 160/180 -> 180/203; bleed and re-bleed etc; move to ceramic pads. Everything improved them, but nothing made them something that you want to trust in the steeps.
      Hydraulic brakes are awesome. The MT200 are not. The only real solution is an upgrade. Even the MT400, that my partner has on her XC bike, are night-and-day better.

    • @radiocontrolled9181
      @radiocontrolled9181 9 місяців тому

      I find that the best choice for me is using dual piston mechanical disc brakes on my MTB. Simple design, very reliable, cheap to work on and maintain, good modulation and great stopping power if your hand grip strength is average or above. I use two fingers to operate each brake. I don't do crazy mountain descents though.

  • @ktkace
    @ktkace Рік тому +1

    LOL , i mix and match on my motorcycles... sintered on one side and ceramic on the other.
    Best of all worlds esp price (1/2 of my pads are hand me downs due to uneven wear on one side)

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  Рік тому

      Right on. Yea some run metallic on the inner and resin on the outer. Never had reason to try it, but it makes sense

  • @a.i.privilege1233
    @a.i.privilege1233 9 місяців тому

    Metallic all the way. As for noise I know how to stop that.

  • @anthonycordero5733
    @anthonycordero5733 Рік тому

    Is that bike frame on our wall a Kona or Santa Cruz ..

  • @chacmool2581
    @chacmool2581 6 місяців тому

    Anyone running one type in the rear and another type in the front?

  • @DaBinChe
    @DaBinChe Рік тому

    Ceramic?

  • @janeblogs324
    @janeblogs324 Рік тому

    The pro's run 1x resin and 1x metallic in each caliper

  • @makatadaito1351
    @makatadaito1351 9 місяців тому

    My brake pads don't even stop my bike dunno what to do i did everything

  • @davekal
    @davekal Рік тому

    Metallic, not even close.

  • @oogabooga4047
    @oogabooga4047 Рік тому

    You look like this kid Louis from my middle school

    • @Omnis2
      @Omnis2 10 місяців тому

      GOAT comment

  • @newfinishautospa
    @newfinishautospa 8 місяців тому +1

    Well…you definitely aren’t a brake pad engineer. You probably just confused a ton of people. The material characteristics that you “personally feel” which you are referencing for your advice is different from engineering data for brake pad design lol. At least you said it was your opinion, but at the end. Dude…CERAMIC pads are know for squealing…metallic/semi-metallic are not. Literally the exact opposite of correct information.

    • @citybend103
      @citybend103 7 місяців тому

      I am looking for a brake pads that works really well in the rain (looking for the stopping power as same as when in dry conditions ) and offer the best stoping power, what should I chose?

    • @TheBikeSauce
      @TheBikeSauce  7 місяців тому +1

      @newfinishautospa maybe relax and do your research before coming on so strong. This video is comparing resin and metallic pads. Metallic pads are 100% known to be louder than resin. Ceramic pads are a different story, but still not as loud as metallic can be. Cheers