I try to always run metalic ever since mud/clay destroyed my new organic pads and the oils seept into the pads even after sanding them alot and using rubbing alcohol on pads and rotors. Plus more power babbbyy!!! But im curious on ceramic since i went outa my way to swap from shimano xt to trp dh brakes (rear only) on my trail bike just for modulation when i lacked some skills and patience. Could be a cheaper option thats worth it. Maybe install in rear only to prevent lockups
MTX Red Labels give Sram stoppers just that little extra bite when over cookin" it into a corner. Would highly recommend picking up a pair from Mike and the guys, great customer service🤘🏼
Metal-ceramic material is my go to. It´s between ceramic and sintered like semi sintered between resin and sintered. Nice bite, last really long which is perfect for me as a heavy rider.
I live in Southern California and all my riding consists of slow climbs to the top so I can ride the long steep descents. I've been running ceramic for over a year now and are my favorite out of them all.
We are missing a very important safety part here. Cheaper brakes like MT200 are not compatible with metallic pads, they don't have ceramic pistons to contain heat so your oil will start boiling on long descends up to the failure point. Never put metallic pads on your brakes if they are not designed for it if do any serious mountain riding.
Likewise, the compatibility of the brake discs is critical. Some discs cannot withstand the heat generated by metal pads. Shimano has a compatibility chart online. Best to check for yourself rather than letting bike shop employees make assumptions.
1:04 No, sintering is turning metal particles into a solid compound through heat and pressure WITHOUT melting. Please get your definitions right, there are engineers in your audience that get kind of annoyed about this stuff.
I'm not a fan of, in my experience, the lack of initial bite of the metallic pads. Once they warm up, they're awesome. Organic pads just don't last for me and I've experienced brake fade with them when riding DH. MTX reds pads are AMAZING! That's all I use and recommend nowadays... *currently running Zee calipers with Saint levers
My Shimano "resin" pads are the same thing as "organic" ? And for most modulation ceramics would work best ? Current ones bite like crazy if I am on one wheel and brake 🤦♂My old ones, Magura rim / v-brake hidraulic ones had nice modulation.
Metal powder subjected to pressure and heat, but not so much heat as to melt the particles, just enough to make them fuse together where they are touching.
Very informative! Anyone that rides motorcycles can follow this same advice, as the compounds are the exactly the same and serve the same purpose. The only exception, there's also the option of "Carbon Graphite" pads for MX bikes!
Thanks for the info! Been riding for 15 years and just bought my first set of organic pads as that's all the shop had and had no idea what the difference actually was
Glad we could help out Dalton! The good thing about those organic pads is that they'll wear out soon and you can get on something with a little more power before you know it!. -Tor
I have been using MTX pads for the past year both Red and Gold. Riding Park and steeper trails as well as XC these pads are superior to Shimano in terms of performance and pad life.
I got the MTX Red for Shimano and for sure better braking power than the Shimano ones. HOWEVER, in wet conditions they are LOUD. Total the opposite of what they saying that are less loud than the organic ones. I have been using it for more than 6 months actually and still doing it. But in dry conditions, MTXs are the BEST!
Which pads are less susceptible to howling? Or is there any difference? Online consensus seems to say ceramic are quieter? But, I'm not sure if that is referring to the brake howling issue. I'm not sure what type I have on my front caliper, but they are howling badly. I have just tried a product called 'Squeal Out' cleaned the rotors and pads, and they are still noisy. So, I am now thinking about putting new pads on, and am wondering if ceramic are less susceptible to this very annoying issue? To get rid of this noise I would even consider switching back to rim brakes, but I have too much invested in the disc brake set up, including two high end disc brake wheel sets. Any help would be appreciated. I am riding a lighweight XC race bike on moderately technical xc trails.
I got some super cheap bucklos ceramic pads on aliexpress, so YMMV with better pads. Once warmed up they are nearly silent and have excellent braking performance, but when cold they squeal like crazy when going slow and don't brake very well either.
Which discipline you ride also matters. In DH you’ll be braking a *lot* 😅 while XC trails will keep you climbing much of the time and not touching your brakes. As an XC rider, I get decent longevity on resin.
I've just bought some ceramic brake pads for my ebike a week ago. They still haven't arrived, but they should be ALOT better than the resin i've been running. For an ebike that weighs around 60kg, they need last a bit longer than the resin ones. Also that they're prone to glazing also helps with wheelies.
It's been a month, how'd they do? I'm distrustful of unknown brands on Amazon that claim to be ceramic, or are ceramic/metal compound. Which pads were they?
We would be stoked to tryout those Trickstuffs! If we're sticking with the car analogies then those are like Bugattis, way too much money and almost impossible to buy even if you have the cash!
I went from resin to metallic pads on my Mt200s and the difference was extremely noticeable, in a good way. With the resin pads I really had to squeeze on the brakes levers to get any type of stopping power, but with the metallic pads I barely have to squeeze the lever and I'm getting great stopping power. i also notice that the lever pull distance shortened when i switched to metallic. I don't know if this is due to my resin pads being thinner or worn out but there was and still is definitely a noticeable difference in lever travel. on another note I've seen some companies on Amazon selling Copper brake pads, which I'm assuming would be a bit softer than metallic but last longer then resin? Has anyone had any experience with copper pads?
Copper is metallic. If you sand your pads you'll see brass of copper, usually they are semi metallic as the people selling them have no idea what they are
I've traded metallic pads for resin pads on the rear caliper. It is more quiet for some reason and I just feel like it brakes at least the same if not better.
MT200 are not designed for full metallic pads, they can't take heat from brakes well - pistons are not ceramic. It will work fine for city/park ride fine but do not take it into mountains. You are risking that oil will start boiling on long descents up to a total brake loss.
@@AK-oz4ew I switched to M7100's a few months ago. It's a HUGE upgrade compared to the MT200s. I'm currently using Metallic pads and they bite a ton better then the MT200's. I am considering possibly switching to ceramic pads just to quiet it down a bit, these metallic pads REALLY squeal when riding in the rain. I also switched to larger rotors, Hope floating 200mm front and 180mm rear.
Yes you can. Resin-only actually means “do not use sintered”. The resin-only rotors lack a production process that is needed for a sintered metallic, but you’ll be fine with either of our compounds.
Hey Aidan! You will first need to check to confirm that your rotors do not say "RESIN ONLY". If they do, you can only use organic/resin pads. If it does not say that, then you can use the pad of your choice. -Mike
*_Which pads do you ride? And which pads are you wanting to try?_*
I try to always run metalic ever since mud/clay destroyed my new organic pads and the oils seept into the pads even after sanding them alot and using rubbing alcohol on pads and rotors. Plus more power babbbyy!!! But im curious on ceramic since i went outa my way to swap from shimano xt to trp dh brakes (rear only) on my trail bike just for modulation when i lacked some skills and patience. Could be a cheaper option thats worth it. Maybe install in rear only to prevent lockups
Huge respect to the artist who decorated the table for this presentation.
😂
Our Art Director did a great job curating the perfect set! We definitely didn't just pick up things we found on the ground... 😅 -Tor
MTX Red Labels give Sram stoppers just that little extra bite when over cookin" it into a corner. Would highly recommend picking up a pair from Mike and the guys, great customer service🤘🏼
Great choice on the Red's. They are an amazing pad. Thanks for the shoutout!
Metal-ceramic material is my go to. It´s between ceramic and sintered like semi sintered between resin and sintered. Nice bite, last really long which is perfect for me as a heavy rider.
I live in Southern California and all my riding consists of slow climbs to the top so I can ride the long steep descents. I've been running ceramic for over a year now and are my favorite out of them all.
We are missing a very important safety part here. Cheaper brakes like MT200 are not compatible with metallic pads, they don't have ceramic pistons to contain heat so your oil will start boiling on long descends up to the failure point. Never put metallic pads on your brakes if they are not designed for it if do any serious mountain riding.
Likewise, the compatibility of the brake discs is critical. Some discs cannot withstand the heat generated by metal pads. Shimano has a compatibility chart online. Best to check for yourself rather than letting bike shop employees make assumptions.
I just put MTX red on my bike and it feels so much better than the stock pads that came with my bike. The silence of the pads is also a win.
Great choice! MTX Red's are awesome.
Tor does a good job of explaining things.
Hey thanks man! Glad you're liking the videos! -Tor
I run MTX Gold on the ebike 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Sooo much power!
1:04 No, sintering is turning metal particles into a solid compound through heat and pressure WITHOUT melting. Please get your definitions right, there are engineers in your audience that get kind of annoyed about this stuff.
Great information and professional video. Thank you.
I'm not a fan of, in my experience, the lack of initial bite of the metallic pads. Once they warm up, they're awesome. Organic pads just don't last for me and I've experienced brake fade with them when riding DH. MTX reds pads are AMAZING! That's all I use and recommend nowadays... *currently running Zee calipers with Saint levers
For sure MTX red ....
My Shimano "resin" pads are the same thing as "organic" ? And for most modulation ceramics would work best ?
Current ones bite like crazy if I am on one wheel and brake 🤦♂My old ones, Magura rim / v-brake hidraulic ones had nice modulation.
Shimano XTR J04C BR-M9000 XTR, they don't make any noise.
so running a 90 lb bike with a 150 lb load and a 200 lb bloke and run up to 30 mph what would u get in traffic on streets wet in winter dry summer
Sintering does not involve any liquid material. In this case it is powdered metal that is subjected to pressure to make a pad.
Ahh you're right! That's what happens when I try to teach about something besides bikes 😂 Thanks for pointing it out! -Tor
Metal powder subjected to pressure and heat, but not so much heat as to melt the particles, just enough to make them fuse together where they are touching.
Braking with metallic pads❌️ Braking with metal✅️
Very informative! Anyone that rides motorcycles can follow this same advice, as the compounds are the exactly the same and serve the same purpose. The only exception, there's also the option of "Carbon Graphite" pads for MX bikes!
Metallic up front, organic on the rear. Super late braking and manual all day!
Heck yea get custom with it! All about making the perfect rig for how you ride! -Tor
Very well done Tor.
I ride XC in dry conditions. Minimal sketchy downhill runs. Resin for me.
Very helpful concise vid. Greatly appreciated 👍
Thanks for the info! Been riding for 15 years and just bought my first set of organic pads as that's all the shop had and had no idea what the difference actually was
Glad we could help out Dalton! The good thing about those organic pads is that they'll wear out soon and you can get on something with a little more power before you know it!. -Tor
I have been using MTX pads for the past year both Red and Gold. Riding Park and steeper trails as well as XC these pads are superior to Shimano in terms of performance and pad life.
Ceramic brake pads have been gaining lots of popularity recently! More people should give them a try when replacing their next set of pads! -Tor
Great vid, like this presenter
I got the MTX Red for Shimano and for sure better braking power than the Shimano ones. HOWEVER, in wet conditions they are LOUD. Total the opposite of what they saying that are less loud than the organic ones. I have been using it for more than 6 months actually and still doing it. But in dry conditions, MTXs are the BEST!
I Have MTX Reds in the Back and Golds In Front . I Think i will buy 2 sets of Reds Next 😎 They Work Excellent 😀
Good video! But don't take a shot of whiskey every time he says the word 'super' or you won't finish the video super sober 😉👍
Great and thanks you answer my questions about switching compounds. I will be switching from organic and giving the ceramic a good try!
you are starting to make professional journalist video content.. keep it up!🤘🤘🤘🤘
Great video. Very thorough and well explained. Thanks!
Excellent information del8vered superbly
I just wish I could find some Shimano D02s pads somewhere
Getting new rotors - the hope ones . So the metallic ones are going to wear out / ruin my rotors ?
Good stuff! Tor is a great presenter keep it up my dudes
Hey thanks man! Glad you're liking the video! -Tor
Which pads are less susceptible to howling? Or is there any difference? Online consensus seems to say ceramic are quieter? But, I'm not sure if that is referring to the brake howling issue. I'm not sure what type I have on my front caliper, but they are howling badly. I have just tried a product called 'Squeal Out' cleaned the rotors and pads, and they are still noisy. So, I am now thinking about putting new pads on, and am wondering if ceramic are less susceptible to this very annoying issue? To get rid of this noise I would even consider switching back to rim brakes, but I have too much invested in the disc brake set up, including two high end disc brake wheel sets. Any help would be appreciated. I am riding a lighweight XC race bike on moderately technical xc trails.
I got some super cheap bucklos ceramic pads on aliexpress, so YMMV with better pads.
Once warmed up they are nearly silent and have excellent braking performance, but when cold they squeal like crazy when going slow and don't brake very well either.
Which discipline you ride also matters. In DH you’ll be braking a *lot* 😅 while XC trails will keep you climbing much of the time and not touching your brakes. As an XC rider, I get decent longevity on resin.
Different pads for different types of riding! Glad the resins are working well for you Victor! -Tor
I've just bought some ceramic brake pads for my ebike a week ago. They still haven't arrived, but they should be ALOT better than the resin i've been running. For an ebike that weighs around 60kg, they need last a bit longer than the resin ones. Also that they're prone to glazing also helps with wheelies.
It's been a month, how'd they do? I'm distrustful of unknown brands on Amazon that claim to be ceramic, or are ceramic/metal compound. Which pads were they?
Trickstuff Power all the way. Enduro magazine testet them and they give codes about 20% more power over the metallic pads.
We would be stoked to tryout those Trickstuffs! If we're sticking with the car analogies then those are like Bugattis, way too much money and almost impossible to buy even if you have the cash!
I use MTX Gold and Red. I've tried all different compounds and most aftermarket options. MTX work the best for me.
I went from resin to metallic pads on my Mt200s and the difference was extremely noticeable, in a good way. With the resin pads I really had to squeeze on the brakes levers to get any type of stopping power, but with the metallic pads I barely have to squeeze the lever and I'm getting great stopping power. i also notice that the lever pull distance shortened when i switched to metallic. I don't know if this is due to my resin pads being thinner or worn out but there was and still is definitely a noticeable difference in lever travel. on another note I've seen some companies on Amazon selling Copper brake pads, which I'm assuming would be a bit softer than metallic but last longer then resin? Has anyone had any experience with copper pads?
Copper is metallic. If you sand your pads you'll see brass of copper, usually they are semi metallic as the people selling them have no idea what they are
I've traded metallic pads for resin pads on the rear caliper.
It is more quiet for some reason and I just feel like it brakes at least the same if not better.
MT200 are not designed for full metallic pads, they can't take heat from brakes well - pistons are not ceramic. It will work fine for city/park ride fine but do not take it into mountains. You are risking that oil will start boiling on long descents up to a total brake loss.
@@AK-oz4ew I switched to M7100's a few months ago. It's a HUGE upgrade compared to the MT200s. I'm currently using Metallic pads and they bite a ton better then the MT200's. I am considering possibly switching to ceramic pads just to quiet it down a bit, these metallic pads REALLY squeal when riding in the rain. I also switched to larger rotors, Hope floating 200mm front and 180mm rear.
great vid bro
That was “super”
I run organic in the front and metal in the back
Heck yea mixing and matching is a great way to make your brakes feel exactly how you want! -Tor
Can I run ceramics on 'resin only' rotors?
Yes you can. Resin-only actually means “do not use sintered”. The resin-only rotors lack a production process that is needed for a sintered metallic, but you’ll be fine with either of our compounds.
@@mtxbraking thank you
if your bike came with organic pads can you put metal pads on. will they be compatibale with the original discs
Hey Aidan! You will first need to check to confirm that your rotors do not say "RESIN ONLY". If they do, you can only use organic/resin pads. If it does not say that, then you can use the pad of your choice.
-Mike
Organic pads are a must for poaching trails in areas where bikes don’t have equitable access. There are some places where riding quiet is important.😮
Thought I would know everything covered in this video but I never knew about ceramic pads. Interesting. Thank you.
You are very welcome! Glad we could help spread some knowledge.
What would you recommend for an ebike with magura mt7 pro. Fast DH and enduro
Does it even matter on MTBs? It's not like you're trying to pull 80 horses and 170kg of metal to a stop.
Easily ceramic wins. Brings my 28mph electric mountain bike to a stop very quickly.