WTF Happened to V? (1983)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Welcome back to "Gone But Not Forgotten", a show examining your favorite vintage TV, which, despite no longer being on the airwaves, remain in our hearts!
This week, we're taking a look at Kenneth Johnson's "V", which began life as a landmark TV mini-series, before spawning a sequel, "V: The Last Battle", a short-lived series, and a recent remake that only lasted a single season.
As we reveal here, the original show was an allegory for fascism, with some brilliant "shock" moments that rocked audiences to their core in 1983. How does the show hold up? Really well it turns out - especially as far as the original mini-series goes. Check out why!
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Growing up in the 80s this show would appear once or twice a year for a rerun of the miniseries and you would make sure not to miss it, because it really was one of a kind. Of course back then you didn't have any type of video stores or streaming, so when something you liked was scheduled, you made dam sure to be at your TV~
TV Guide was the only way.
I was fortunate to have a VCR
Back when the family would gather and watch this,good times
My Mom even liked it , which was a surprise LOL
Was thinking the exact same thing as I was loading in before I saw your comment. My mom, dad and brother all around the TV.
Yep, my dad beat me for taping the V finale over his unseen episode of Hee Haw. Good times
Phax... The eighties
The visual effects for the mini-series were incredible for the time. It had a movie quality about it. As a young kid I was fascinated by the visitors and those weird looking ships. I wanted one of those laser rifles so bad.
My main criticism was they didn't show them as lizard people enough. Wasted opportunity.
Lost count of the amount of times I've re-watched this. Awesome show, gutted when it ended (and I was only 14 at the time!)
You leave our 80s hair styles alone. Gen X spent more money fighting the wind in the 1980s than Russia and the US spent during the entire cold war.
Aqua Net was our weapon of choice. 😊
When I first saw the guinea pig eating scene....I had nightmares for weeks 😂
Hulk throwing that bear😂😂😂😂😂😂. I choked on my water!!!
If I ever feel down, I pull up that clip. Instant happiness 😊
I absolutely loved this series .watched this as a kid in the 80's. The remake wasn't even in the same bracket as this amazing piece of TV 👍👍
loved this as a kid, but i was also enjoying the remake....it had potential. was gutted it was cancelled before it really got going
I was ten when V first came out and I found it terrifyingly intense and oppressive, I'd actually credit the original miniseries with having some influence on what would go on to be the personal politics and belief system of a developing mind... And my life long appreciation of dystopian sci-fi. And laser guns. And Michael Ironside.
Shame about the latter series and particularly the 2009 version... Enjoyable enough but increasingly less foreboding and V deserves to be re-made with scope, vision and modern effects but I doubt anyone would be brave enough to tackle the social commentary in this day and age.
Edit: Like The Rise of Skywalker, the 'Star Child' is not part of my personal cannon.
Starchild: ✋
STARBOY: 👈
I loved this show in my early teens it was so awesome the 2009 version wasn’t nearly as good.
Huge fan of V remember waking up in the middle of the night to watch it on USA Network with the volume low so I didn't wake my parents, read a lot of the books which I still have. But it wouldn't work today as we're pretty much living it. 🤔 On 2nd thought, Having the show remade NOW in light of recent history would be damn fascinating and a LOT of different elements could be brought into it in a very dark and entertaining mirror.
Even to this day, from time to time, I will go back and watch this as well as the final battle like I'll just bendge it. Absolutely fantastic writing
The baby reptile scene wrecked me when I was a kid in 1983. Couldn't get a good night's sleep for a week lol. It was the freeze frame at the very end of that episode that I couldn't get out of my mind.
I know it's pretty lame by today's standards, back in 1983, it was freaky as heck.
Still have dvd box and this series are amazing✌🏻👍🏻
Can’t even THINK of the scene without getting emotional 🥲.
Yeah. I understand by analogy because that happened yesterday when I thought about the Futurama “Jurassic Bark” ending.
The dog waiting for his owner to come back everyday FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE…
😭😭😭😭
It’s based on a real Japanese dog at a train station 🚉.
It was sad because the viewers KNEW that nobody was coming 😭😭😭
Remember watching this with my family when I was a kid great mini series/show.
I watched this back in the day and after about a few episodes it was like all the rest of tv. A rag tag fleet of humans fighting impossible odds every week but not winning. Imagine Ann Frank on Gilligans Island with Aliens.
This show scared the hell out of me 😂
“Remember, we are of peace… always…”
LOVED V ❤
The viral marketing for the V miniseries and TV series was ahead of it’s time with the toys onscreen in the miniseries itself, the posters getting put up and later spray painted, and actors in those red Visitor uniforms at “pop up” events. Unfortunately I believe the original V miniseries toys were cancelled, but I’m not sure on that and I’m too lazy to look it up. And the “pop up”
17:01 He also played Zorro on the 1990 tv series.
“V for victory, you understand? Now go tell your friends!”
I was born in 79. V and Poltergeist were responsible for much of my night terrors and bed wetting.
Edit* Even tho I lived thru the era, I'm always shocked at how normalized moose knuckle was.
V as a movie helped expand my imagination while growing up
This was my show!!!!
Such a great series and stands up quite well considering its age, the remake in 2008 wasn't too bad either but did lack some of the charm of the original mini-series. It's one of those must-haves in any collection if you're a sci-fi fan.
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(Thinking of the remake/sequel in 2008, the Tyler kid really was annoying, he was a naive turd with all the self-preservation of a lemming on cocaine - plus he could be considered the king of simps - I did like what they done with him in the end though, he kind of earned it lol)
Ohh, remember when I was about 10, 1989. Watching this gave me nightmares
I was a bit late to the show.but it was epic. The CTV? Remake was horrific. I want a good remake not bad
June Chadwick was Lydia in the tv series. Lane Smith played Nathan Bates, the father of Kyle who...y'know, just watch them, they're really good.
Loved the original and liked the remakes tho the effects were kind of cheesy , still this story needs a reboot as long as they stick to the original concept
V gave me nightmares as a kid.
Graphic novels. The visitors get pushed out but the entire human race suffers heavy casualties.
Thats the nice thing about fiction. It’s whatever you want it to be.
This show scared the bajebuz outa me wgen i was a kid. 😅
14:30 they never re air ed the full birth scene.
Ya gotta love the big hair.
I have #1 and # 2 of the V comics.
Being a fan of sci-fi this series brought it to a whole new level for me as a kid in the 80s!
Me too! It was a huge tv event.
I had read a couple of short stories that had similar ideas before, but seeing it on screen, in real life, was visceral for me.
I love this series forever, even though it gave me horrible nightmares that recur to this day (see also Logan's Run, Alien, Jaws and Rollerball)
Marc Singer, still holds the World Record for the most tightest Denim ever worn....;-)
Willie (Robert Englund) was the MV f*ckin P.
Him & Ham Tyler. (Michael Ironside)
16:50 Lydia was actually played by June Chadwick, not Lane Smith.
I was about to write this
Yeah, Lane Smith was the main bad guy, LOL. So not only did they get the name wrong, they changed the sex .... mind you I suppose in this day and age that isn't surprising ;)
June Chadwick, Janine from Spinal Tap
Was in elementary school when this first came out. Instead of cops and robbers on the playground, we'd play lizards and resistance
Same
Marc Singer was in V and Beastmaster. Imagine my shock when I got older and realized he wasn't the greatest actor on Earth......
Yea but Dang he was hot!
Lol. Well said. 😊
What says he isn't??!! 🙂
He wasn't because he was in V and Beastmaster
Loved watching this in 84 on ITV in the UK
I was obsessed! It was all anyone talked about in school afterwards
IIRC, BBC had the 84 LA olympics, so ITV ran this against it in the evenings. Which was way cooler!
I'm a huge fan of V. I've loved it since I was a kid and first saw it way back in 1983. I was 9 years old, and I was completely entranced with it. I'm currently re-reading the entire book series from 1983 and 1984.
WTF Happened to V? (1983) ..... IT GOT CANCELLED ON A GODDAM CLIFFHANGER and nothing was never resolved. Very sad !
Loved the series as a whole, I can't remember much of my childhood due to concussions but shows like this and Greatest American Hero, and Land of the lost still reside in my fondest of memories. Thank you for sharing 🙏😊
Oh yes! ❤
Marc Singer and Michael Ironside are so freaking awesome. What a show.
14:27 She gave birth to a ghoulie!
This scared the living bejesus out of me in 1984 in the uk 🇬🇧 however I was 8 yrs old at the time but my parents let me watch it. It was the 80s
My family was so into it we still have them on VHS, was a grate show.
I'm still waiting for the movie trilogy that was announced in 2018
It just might happen. Hollywood has lost creative writers to places like UA-cam
Jane badler was so hot
"Pretinama"
"It means huge letdown."
I was 5 when this came out but I still remember that graffiti scene to this day.
This show freaked me the f out as a kid, I was like 5 when I first watched it and still remember the scene where you first see the lizard skin underneath and how much it creeped me out
“It’s probably gonna say on my tombstone: ‘RIP Robert England, He’s the guy from V’” -Mad TV Halloween ‘98
The garage scene with Leonardo Camino is amazing! We helped to show how much this show was an allegory to Nazi Germany and how we can’t let it happen again!
Probably one of the first sci fi series I enjoyed . It came on South African tv in 1986.
V made a big impression on me when I was 8. I'm 48 now. Julie's bravery, as she fires, fruitlessly, at Diana's shuttle, sticks in my memory. Just hearing you talk about *that* scene with Leonardo Cimino made me tear up. I couldn't understand at the time how those scenes would make me feel very differently all the way off in 2024. In my early 40s I read Kenneth Johnson's official sequel, V: The Second Generation. I emailed Kenneth after I finished it, saying how V had made such an impression on me and how much I enjoyed returning to that universe all these years later to find out what really happened after the first miniseries (though I do enjoy The Final Battle too). He wrote back with a kind and thoughtful reply. Lovely man.
Yes. He does e-mail back. I couldn't believe he e-mailed me back.
I dialed up Domino's Pizza this weekend, and ordered six million pizzas. The girl claimed they could not fulfill that order. I asked, "Why not?" She replied, "there arent enough ovens"
Diana made me feel a way I didn’t understand at that age. For some reason I liked it and I didn’t know why.
I remember those lizard babies and they were scary as hell in the 1980s.
Why the reupload, you aired this 3 years ago?
Cool though, more people need to know of this awesome series.
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If you listen to the dvd commentary. Kenny actually gives you his personal e-mail as a thank you for listening and if you'd like to talk about the show afterwards! It's STILL his and he's a lovely man. Its a really good listening too
Crazy how you can’t even say fascism is bad these days without someone having a meltdown
Imagine if he brought up the other narratives that the show seemed to push. Those are even more divisive in today's climate.
@@joee7452 what sort of thing?
I was in 2nd grade when V came out. That's all my friends will talk about every Monday.
One of my first crushes was Diana.
I always assumed that saying politicians and celebrities were "lizard people" came from this show.
Sweet! I love V! Subscribed!
I could NOT stand Daniel.
Brian Backer was a muthaf*cker in this role.
He was more reptillian than the "Visitors" themselves.
The Actor was David Packer, Brian Backer is pretty close though.
@@Akabackalooka Thank you, I tried not to get his name wrong. I always remember him from this underrated gem of a film called *_The Runnin Kind._*
I loved this show when i was a kid. It also gave me nightmares about reptilians.
Ooh Diana, still would like..
One of the first series I made my wife watch in 2010 while we were still dating - kind of like a test, but she liked it!
The lizard reveal and eating scene was the stuff of nightmares as a kid, lol. Been hooked ever since.
What happened to V? It's unfolding before my very eyes.
That's right. Trump is like John and he is rounding people up. Or are the people being persecuted the ones who questioned science, like you are supposed to do, and lost jobs because of it? You were played like the burning of the Reichstag and you still cannot see it.
STILL FREAKING LOVE IT! It was so revealing!
Great series, but only season 2. Scrollen past any inharmonious music.
the premise of the show is so good they should definitely make a full good season
Got the lot on DVd I ignore the 2009 remake it's crap
The gunea pig eating scene is still disturbing 41 years later.
There were some fine people (and lizards) on both sides
I remember the first night this 2 parter aired. we had such a bad storm and my dog barked like a maniac
V is best watched as the two miniseries. Period. Done.
The best 80's TV show ever 🙌
The lizard baby might have been the greatest thing 11 year old me had ever seen…V was amazing
Yea, I have to admit I am a bit miffed that the narrator here is making fun of it. That was a scary scene back then-no one was laughing at it!
It was so cutting edge and high end for it's time .
I was 8 years old when this came out
I’m glad I have the whole thing on dvd
The reboot was terrible, lol.
Diana was bisexual?? I don’t think so. This was the 80’s these gender labels were not a thing.
Yes the word existed, but I doubt the writers and actors ever said “your character is bisexual.”
There is also no mentioned of any bisexuality in the V the novelisation of the TV miniseries. The sauciest that book got was “cupped her breast.” When Robyn had sex with Brian.
It didn’t jump the shark with the green muppet monster. It was gerbil eating camp but fine! This was the 80’s, we had slim pickings. The TV series, now that was the shark jump.
Watching this show today a lot of the CG and makeup looks corny, but in 1983 this was cutting edge stuff. So many people got freaked out by the mouse and hamster eating scene.
V made a big impact on me as a 8 year old in 1983. It was a great series and for its time quite shocking. I was surprised they never made toys even there was prototypes that at the time I just saw the toys shown in the show.
Surprised to hear Nina Hagen at the end 😅 How come you know her? I was a child at elementary at the time and Diana eating a rat caused quite a stir among us. You forgot to mention the original score and the iconic opening scene of the vessel fly-by over skulls in a paleontologists' site
Huh! Just started re-watching this for the first time in 40 years
In terms of social commentary this series was way ahead of anything that's been made in this entire millenium.
I always found it hilarious that V 'Prime' aliens always wore their human skin suits. Even when on their ships and during their ancient rituals 😂. Why?? (Yeah, I know...production costs) Still, such a great part of my childhood
TL:DR the "political subtext" was a clear metaphor for that lil thing that went down in 1942 only the group this time were scientists as they were the risk to the Visitors BUT it was the 80s so it wasnt slapping you in the face but telling you oppression can hit any one for any number of circumstances. Also a message that we can work together as a people & with the good visitors & a on the know message of "were not that different" with the hybrid Elisabeth.
Well yes the show should come back . But I would honestly say I loved the first miniseries in the 1980s and I loved the second series in the 2000 . But I heard that the second series wasn't canceled because of bad ratings it was canceled because the US government didn't like the fact that it showed a stronger power the aliens invading and conquering a weaker power Earth while the Iraq war was going on .
this was a really good mini series
I think i saw images of the 80s version in catalogs or something years ago or maybe on the shelves of Target, but couldn't afford it at the time
i saw the 2009/2010 series on DVD and I kind of liked it and enjoyed it. mainly becasue this was around the time I was getting into modern day tv for the first time so it kind of fit the quality and standard of the time. was kind of sad they left it on a cliffhanger.
glad i also the original mini series. I think i just like this series as a whole.
i hope this other version they're trying to bring back is good script-wise and they somehow are able to do more with it after the previous incarnations.
i still want to watch the tv series version from the 80s.