1:07:30 North Dakotans largely are a conservative bunch that typically don’t like large amounts of change. Change comes naturally with time regardless, but typically seems like NoDaks don’t like anything drastic, and eliminating property tax for better or worse is pretty drastic.
Kyler -totally agree. It was a drastic move. I think it happened though because the people of ND have felt largely ignored by our state legislators. for the better part of 12 years property tax has been the biggest complaint in our state. They've had bill after bill brought to the floor of the legislature and can never get anything done. Meanwhile, all the residents in the largest cities continue to have their property tax increased. The cities continue to push their agenda and be increase taxes every year - either through mils or assessed value. It needs to end. Great point though!
*Voters became apathetic due to an establishment administration overseeing tough economic times and were no longer cooped in their homes across the country in a pandemic* Rob: "See! Fraud happened!" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Zach - Voter apathy isn't simply about an 'establishment administration' but also about frustration with policies that have expanded government power and limited economic freedom. During the pandemic, people saw firsthand how government mandates disrupted businesses, jobs, and personal freedoms. Many Americans felt powerless, watching as their communities and livelihoods were affected by lockdowns and restrictions that some believe went too far. Now, faced with high inflation and economic uncertainty, voters are understandably discouraged. So why wouldn't they show up for this election? Shouldn't we have seen more voters for the election cycle if what you said is true?
@FedupgenX You said it yourself. They're discouraged. Donald Trump did not provide a viable alternative to many. Just look at his totals. It nearly matches his total in 2020. He has a ceiling and he met that ceiling. The differences is apathy decreased turnout for Kamala Harris vs Biden in 2020. You also kind of ran into your own point on that. People were frustrated by what was going on. Donald Trump was the President. These elections come down to vibes, and when things aren't going well, the incumbent gets quashed. I'm not sure if this is Rob or not, but all I'll say is my only point in commenting is that to say it validated voter fraud is nonsense. It's not just nonsense, it's dangerous.
@FedupgenX You said it yourself. They're discouraged. Donald Trump did not provide a viable alternative to many. Just look at his totals. It nearly matches his total in 2020. Apathy drove a decreased turnout for the Democrat. They were the incumbent administration. People did not approve of the direction the country was headed, so they weren't motivated to turn out like they were in 2020. You kind of ran into that point, too. Yes, people were upset by what was happening in 2020. Donald Trump and Republicans were the incumbent party at the time. They voted for change. My only point in commenting is that it is nonsense for you to say it validates massive voter fraud. It's not only nonsense, it's dangerous. You need evidence to make that claim and you don't have any. Two anti-incumbent elections doesn't even remotely approach evidence of voter fraud. Signed as someone who searched hard myself, I even watched 12,000 Mules and took notes. There hasn't been a single compelling case made. Each claim made by Trump's team was thoroughly dismantled. Many of his attorneys were sanctioned for being frivolous with the courts and some were even disbarred after their lengths. Giuliani right now is being pursued for damages committed against two ordinary poll workers doing their jobs. It's not healthy for our country to elevate conspiracy without merit. What you posited lacked merit. It's a vibe you get and that's not how to reach bold claims.@@FedupgenX
@@zachrak9376 This is Rob - I get your point Zach. But you even if you say it's nonsense or dangerous - it's something that needs to be talked about. Because people at the national level are talking about it. And I'm not pointing to just one side...I think both sides pulled some BS in the 2020 election. While the 'discouraged' people could have stayed home, what I believe we saw was people who felt discouraged, marginalized etc - show up and vote for Trump, because they couldn't take it any longer. But there is no way - 20million people don't show up to vote, when both sides billed this election as "The election for our Country". Good discussion though!
Next time, by chance could Mr. Fuller explain the city employees reduction of wage increases?
BC - thank you for the comment. Are you referring to this years budget process where the "HYBRID" plan was used for city employee increases?
@@FedupgenX Yes
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1:07:30 North Dakotans largely are a conservative bunch that typically don’t like large amounts of change. Change comes naturally with time regardless, but typically seems like NoDaks don’t like anything drastic, and eliminating property tax for better or worse is pretty drastic.
Kyler -totally agree. It was a drastic move. I think it happened though because the people of ND have felt largely ignored by our state legislators. for the better part of 12 years property tax has been the biggest complaint in our state. They've had bill after bill brought to the floor of the legislature and can never get anything done. Meanwhile, all the residents in the largest cities continue to have their property tax increased. The cities continue to push their agenda and be increase taxes every year - either through mils or assessed value. It needs to end. Great point though!
Conservatives are nothing more than right wing socialists that depend on government subsidies if that is Conservative count me out
*Voters became apathetic due to an establishment administration overseeing tough economic times and were no longer cooped in their homes across the country in a pandemic*
Rob: "See! Fraud happened!" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Zach - Voter apathy isn't simply about an 'establishment administration' but also about frustration with policies that have expanded government power and limited economic freedom. During the pandemic, people saw firsthand how government mandates disrupted businesses, jobs, and personal freedoms. Many Americans felt powerless, watching as their communities and livelihoods were affected by lockdowns and restrictions that some believe went too far. Now, faced with high inflation and economic uncertainty, voters are understandably discouraged. So why wouldn't they show up for this election? Shouldn't we have seen more voters for the election cycle if what you said is true?
@FedupgenX You said it yourself. They're discouraged. Donald Trump did not provide a viable alternative to many. Just look at his totals. It nearly matches his total in 2020. He has a ceiling and he met that ceiling.
The differences is apathy decreased turnout for Kamala Harris vs Biden in 2020. You also kind of ran into your own point on that. People were frustrated by what was going on. Donald Trump was the President.
These elections come down to vibes, and when things aren't going well, the incumbent gets quashed.
I'm not sure if this is Rob or not, but all I'll say is my only point in commenting is that to say it validated voter fraud is nonsense. It's not just nonsense, it's dangerous.
@FedupgenX You said it yourself. They're discouraged. Donald Trump did not provide a viable alternative to many. Just look at his totals. It nearly matches his total in 2020.
Apathy drove a decreased turnout for the Democrat. They were the incumbent administration. People did not approve of the direction the country was headed, so they weren't motivated to turn out like they were in 2020.
You kind of ran into that point, too. Yes, people were upset by what was happening in 2020. Donald Trump and Republicans were the incumbent party at the time. They voted for change.
My only point in commenting is that it is nonsense for you to say it validates massive voter fraud. It's not only nonsense, it's dangerous. You need evidence to make that claim and you don't have any. Two anti-incumbent elections doesn't even remotely approach evidence of voter fraud.
Signed as someone who searched hard myself, I even watched 12,000 Mules and took notes. There hasn't been a single compelling case made. Each claim made by Trump's team was thoroughly dismantled. Many of his attorneys were sanctioned for being frivolous with the courts and some were even disbarred after their lengths. Giuliani right now is being pursued for damages committed against two ordinary poll workers doing their jobs.
It's not healthy for our country to elevate conspiracy without merit. What you posited lacked merit. It's a vibe you get and that's not how to reach bold claims.@@FedupgenX
@@zachrak9376 This is Rob - I get your point Zach. But you even if you say it's nonsense or dangerous - it's something that needs to be talked about. Because people at the national level are talking about it. And I'm not pointing to just one side...I think both sides pulled some BS in the 2020 election. While the 'discouraged' people could have stayed home, what I believe we saw was people who felt discouraged, marginalized etc - show up and vote for Trump, because they couldn't take it any longer. But there is no way - 20million people don't show up to vote, when both sides billed this election as "The election for our Country". Good discussion though!