The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame | TEN SHAMEFUL OMISSIONS
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2023
- The rock 'n' roll hall of fame comes in for much criticism, but the omission of these legacy acts is hard to justify.
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The omission of Jethro Tull is criminal.
Totally agree 💯!
Agreed. Ian Anderson's songwriting alone more than qualifies him for inductance!
@@travisbickle3797 and their new material (especially The Zealot Gene) is really great!
As a matter of fact….Shoshana Sleeping this year became number ten in my top ten Tull tracks- I love it!
"maybe Lars Ulrich is on the voting panel" 😂
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just daft. All of these great bands left out but Dolly Parton and Eminem included! OMG!
Dolly is quite the ROCKER !!!
@@carlosidelone8064 She used to be quite the looker.
Madonna and Loving Spoonfield say nothing more. What a joke this place is
And neither of them have anything whatsover to do with RockNRoll.
@@Champion_Aquatics
Part of Rock n Roll is attitude (and Madonna had it by pushing the boundaries in her videos) but,all in all the RRHOF is such nonsense and bollocks, so...
Jethro Tull is one of the best and most underrated band ever. just fantastic musicians. evidently you have too pay substantial amounts of money to be inducted to the Hall of fame
Dolly Parton asked to not be considered but they voted her in. For her to be in the HOF before any of these bands is insane…and I am a big admirer of Dolly.
Yeah, Dolly Parton is a great artist, but I don't see any way to consider her a rock artist. Might as well induct KLF if you are going to induct Dolly Parton...or perhaps the Nelson Riddle Orchestra...LOL
Yes, her version of Rock and Roll was very odd.
I think I saw where if you wanted to be in the rock hall of fame you had to pay them a certain amount to be inducted , besides being voted in ,someone else can pay the fee or the singer but many performers paid which seems like a good reason to not be a member if it costs members to be be inducted.
She said that she wanted to record a Rock album to warrant her inclusion. She has. So she's in
Only two things I like about dolly 😂
So many great bands ...Badfinger, The Strawbs, King Crimson, Grand Funk Railroad, Guess Who, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Focus, Argent, Renaissance, BTO, Uriah Heep, Styx, Supertramp, Ten Years After, and Jetro Tull...
Never heard of Renaissance before
@@brob9995 Go and check out. They are a Symphonic rock band. Maybe you Will like their "Azure D Or" album or songs like "A trip to the fair" or "Océan Gipsy";to name a few.
Strawbs? Renaissance? Focus? You're just choosing weird personal favorites that had no significance to rock and roll.
@@danielpiotrowski2077 Daniel, those bands were huge during the Progressive Rock era of the late 60s through the 70s. Of the three I
would personally vouch for the Strawbs, who occasionally still tour today as a acoustic trio in smaller venues. That gave me the opportunity to meet the members after a couple shows, relaxing at the bar with a pint. Wonderfully nice blokes!
@@danielpiotrowski2077 wrong
Like Rolling Stone and Hollywood, The Rock n Roll Hall of fame has never been so irrelevant......
I saw the title of this video and immediately thought the same thing.
It's nothing more than a shitty museum tourist attraction in a dirty, dying city in Ohio. They could give me free tickets and a free return flight and I still wouldn't bother visiting. The most amazing thing about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is why anyone cares whether their favourite band gets in or not. It's not like it's the Academy Awards with a global tv audience and 100 years of tradition. Even the Oscars have become irrelevant... I've watched a few of the RnR HoF inductions & performances on UA-cam and I've mostly cringed. It's soooooo SHIT. It goes against everything I like about rock music anyway. Can you imagine what a young Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison or Bob Marley would think of it? They are probably snickering & rolling in their graves... Johnny Rotten, Richie Blackmore and Thom Yorke didn't even bother to show up which says everything you need to know. Some of the artists are gracious and they say it's for the "fans", but I don't follow music like I follow my favourite football team. Music is an intensely personal thing for me. It's between me and the band. I don't care what anyone else thinks about it, much less Jann fuckin' Wenner and his douchey mates.
Agreed …rolling stone,Hollywood , rrhof, and current government!
None of them reflect the what the people want …
I mention government because all of them reflect an irrelevant agenda 😵💫
@@MrSteel7 Absolutely couldn´t agree more.
@@moose6509 Yep. Add me to the list.
The Rock and Roll hall of fame should have recognized the groups of the 50's 60's and 70's before they opened the door to groups from the 80's, 90's and beyond. Your list was spot on.
To be fair they inducted pretty much all of the deserving 50's artists except Jan & Dean & Cliff Richard. I think they started in the 50's
Disagree! There are too many 70s mediocrities whose names are being tossed around. Jethro Tull, Styx, Supertramp. None of these guys have any songwriting ability whatsoever. They should have inducted Chic a long time ago but there's too much anti-disco bias. Some of the bands that are already in are a joke. Joan Jett? Just because she loves rock and roll? Rush? Dr John? Heart? Bob Seger?
And they're keeping out all the great 80s and 90s bands which changed music forever: Sonic Youth, Slint, Replacements, Husker Du, Pussy Galore, Butthole Surfers, Smashing Pumpkins, Black Crowes, Pulp, Suede, Oasis, the Verve, Flaming Lips. These guys have an anti-British bias. I would have said that the most obvious omissions are T-Rex and Roxy Music but at least they corrected that.
@@sieteocho Jethro Tull is one of the best artists not currently in the Hall.
Little Feat's influence beyond madness for so many groups... best Live Album ever!
Mine too, I still play Rocket in my Pocket over and over the drums, that slide tone, and Lowell's Voice RIP. You can argue they are a different Genre but if you're going to put Dolly in there ffs....
Absolutely!!!
Feats don’t Fail me now!
So, Stevie Nicks is in the hall of fame, but Kate Bush is not. Whose made that decision? Pablo Escobar?
Kate Bush is nominated again this year
& she'll probably get in this time, if only
because "Running Up That Hill" suddenly
got super popular after being used in
"Stranger Things", but, seriously, she
should've already been in. Stevie Nicks
solo never should've gotten in & there are
many other reasons besides Nicks
for Fleetwood Mac to be in, but Mac's
Bob Welch should've been included.
Joe Walsh had a bigger rock impact than Stevie Nicks, comparing these two solo acts who were part of notable bands.
@@cl5619
...& Joe Walsh, with his solo material,
had a great sense of humor that wasn't
present during his time with The Eagles,
because those weren't his songs.
LOLOLOL
Kate went in 2023.
The Monkees, Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night and the Guess Who are also glaring omissions. Also UFO, Savoy Brown, Johnny Winter, Mountain and Ten Years After just to name a few. As well as all the bands you mentioned in this video.
And we can see why the Monkees as the prefab 4 would be easy to dis, but how many acts did songs by other songwriters or the recordings were largely The Wrecking Crew or other studio pros. Members of the Monkees did write some of their great songs, and there is no discounting the impact they had on the music scene. It was a brief period in the charts though.
How is Bryan Adams not in there?
@@johnstegmeier3758 I believe they are worthy of inclusion myself. By the time of their third album, they were participating as writers and players on their records. In the end, they probably won’t get in but I’m not sure Micky really cares one way or another if they are acknowledged.
Think.... Dolly Parton was inducted over the acts you mentioned!!!
Especially three dog night, they many hits.
Hard to believe Tull and Cocker not in. The band you have missed is the Canadian group The Guess Who if not for the iconic tune American woman then for the wealth of albums they have put out. They should have gone in before Rush. Great video, thanks.
I agree, and Rush was put in later then they should've been.
Heck, even the Elton John Band isn't in the RRHOF. Davey Johnstone, Nigel Olsson and Dee Murray deserve that honor. They helped make Elton a legend and sell millions of albums.
Yes, I couldn't agree more. Elton's band was fantastic and they should also be inducted into the Hall!
After the death of Keith Emerson, Greg Lake commented that Keith alone deserved to be honored in the HoF for his contributions.
I want to hear TARKUS at the HoF😃
Joan Jett was inducted before The Moody Blues!
@@paulbrookes413 good luck they are all musically challenged there
@@MrMick50
We might have to do with Jeremy Bender(still, a good song)🙂
Sorry, but Greg is wrong,
Rolling Stone’s omission of Terry Kath of Chicago from the list of Top 100 guitarists shows just how hollow any of their awards really are. This man was a genius on the frets as Jimi Hendrix declared after seeing him perform.
Rolling Stone magazine has had some good articles over the years, but their "best of" lists are ridiculous. I agree on Terry Kath. His omission from even the top 100 (should at least be in the top 25), is probably because Jan Wenner seemed to hate "horn bands". The band Chicago itself was kept out of the so-called R&R HoF for decades beyond their first eligibility, despite their incredible talent and album-selling popularity.
Wenner has a narrow view of "R&R", it's only what he likes personally or it isn't considered. He's actually caved in to pressure a bit in recent years, otherwise there would be absolutely no prog rock, no horns, just endless R&B acts that Wenner likes.
Jimmy said the same thing about Rory Gallagher
@@mikekeeler6362 Jimi
@@andrewfurst5711 ...which is why Chicago opened for Jimi for some time....
Can someone please explain how Keith Richards is listed as 4th, ahead of Jeff Beck? RS, what a joke...
Oh man! No Joe Cocker in the Hall of Fame! I’m speechless.
No Jethro Tull !!
No Emerson, Lake and Palmer!!! No Blue Oyster Cult!!!! The entire list is right on. This has to be corrected. Please everyone spread this video around and get this going! Sir, this has been a great video, Thank You.
One massively glaring omission you didn't mention that is so very deserved is the Scorpions. They have been going strong for over 50 years, the most successful German artist ever, had one of the biggest selling singles of all time in "Wind of Change", sold over 100 million albums worldwide, and have influenced many artists like GnR, Motley Crue, Eddie Van Halen, Def Leppard, Metallica, Megadeth, etc. Certainly deserving.
I am a big fan of the Scorpions, not so much the RRHoF
There are many glaring omissions. I am not a big fan of RRHOF either. Took them way to long to elect other great bands like Heart and Rush. Certainly, the Scorpions deserve to be in. Dolly Parton, indeed!
I could agree more Blackout was my favorite and my introduction to the Scorpions wasn't much of a fan till Mathis came along in the late 70's, but they have never come back to Canada since I think 1983 so I've never had a chance to see them live
@@stevelynch5843 I saw them with Whitesnake and Dokken in the mid nineties, they were the best of the 3
Scorpions are tight, with all their chops. Might not run around as much as they used to, but the sound is still epic!
Grand Funk, Humble Pie, Free, Jethro Tull, ELP, Kansas and Styx all appalling omissions, so wholly agree with you. One glaring you didn't mention which surprised me considering who you rated as the no. 1 Rock singer is Foreigner. They must have sold more records than just about all the others you did mention and as Jeff Pilson said even before he joined the band, their influence on the hard rock world was immense.
As far as album sales in America, Foreigner (38 million) are the biggest group not in the RRHOF.
@@petercena9497 And Ted Nugent was the highest grossing Rock&Roll Act in the entire world in 77,78 & 79
For a time carry on wayward son eclipsed stairway to heaven as the most played classic rock song on the radio.
Johnny Rivers and Tommy James.
Definitely agree with Foreigner
The RRHOF has been a bad joke for a long time now. Jan Wenner (the Hall's very own, self-appointed St. Peter) has always put a high priority on image, marketability, and politics. If an act doesn't fit his lofty standards (and make $$$ for him with their inclusion to the Hall), he's not very interested. Thanks, Barry.
RnR Hall of Cash
@@richeaton7436 who's Barry?
You nailed it! Could not agree more
Jann Wenner has had it out for Rush for years so screw him.
Agreed! Paul McCartney described getting Ringo Starr (who should be there) inducted by just making a phone call to Dave Grohl. KISS took years. It’s a clique lacking historical validity.
How can you even have a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and not include Boston?!! That debut album alone was galactic, c’mon!
I second this!!!
I third this
And Foreigner. Good lord, without those two bands, the hall cannot be taken seriously.
Because they basically weren't a band. Tom Scholtz did most of the music from his studio and brought Brad Delp in for the vocals and a drummer. An actual band was formed for touring, and the members came and went. So who do you vote in as band members?
@@Peekay9foreigner is going in this year
I remember several years back, when Steve Miller was finally inducted and he (and co-inductees Cheap Trick) had something to say about the Hall of Shame's money-grubbing ways. They wanted $10,000 a ticket from Steve if he wanted anyone other than his wife there. So basically, your family is screwed, and that doesn't even cover your band---do they have to pay or do they let them slide in at no charge. Highly unlikely.
THREE DOG NIGHT -- In the years 1969 through 1974, no other group achieved more top 10 hits, moved more records or sold more concert tickets. 21 consecutive Top 40 hits, including 3 #1 singles, 11 Top 10’s, 18 straight Top 20’s, 7 million-selling singles and 12 straight RIAA Certified Gold LPs.
They were big.
I liked Three Dog Night. It dawned on me that since most of their singles were cover songs may be one reason they've been over looked. But then again Elvis Presley and pretty much all the Motown artists in the RARHOF were cover acts too.
I agree. Three Dog Night were huge back in the day and should be included!
I've said the same thing over and over again
And I have seen the live 5 times.
Agree with you. I'd add in Gary Moore and Rory Gallagher as ground breaking legendary artists who have a massive legacy, especially Moore who has substantially more you tube views than Randy Rhoads who was inducted for just two Ozzy albums. The fact they prefer a pop lightweight like Janet Jackson to Kate Bush speaks volumes.
Moore a great guitarist yes but not a great singer, songwriter. Not enough commercial success either. Those are some of the important criteria the hall looks at. This is their qualifications, it's not me saying he doesn't deserve it. I mean the place should be called the Pop music HOF the way they've conducted things. You can't play whataboutism with them since the acts that they put in are so varied in music style. Paul Rodgers is the crime here. Possibly the greatest hard rock singer of all time with success with many acts and with his influence on every rock singer after him.
I really agree that Rory should be in there.
@Tom McCafferty but you have to have SOME type if commercial success in America for the hall to vote you in and Rory didn't have much or enough.
@@jellycream1964 do you really? Or should artistic excellence be what qualifies you? I get your point though.
@@tommccafferty5591 I'm not saying me! The hof's rules. I love Rory!
The Guess Who is the one that gets me.
Kansas and Jethro Tull are two of my favorite bands. I take their snubbing as a badge of honor. Rolling Stone magazine has had a grudge against Tull since they stopped being a blues band.
After their first album? LOL Seriously. That is why Mick Abrahams left the band and eventually formed Blodwyn Pig.
While I agree about Tull, the Hall doesn't vote in a band because they're one of your favorites.
Johnny Rotten said it best when he described the RRHOF as a Piss Stain. An Irrelevant piss stain.
Some of these acts may, in fact, be in there but I can't be arsed even giving their website a click, so this is off the top of my head...
Cliff Richard has 68 top 10's and 14 no. 1's and was there at the very launch of rock and roll as it went international. He should have been in before the Beatles.
For that matter, The Shadows arent there either.
Prince Buster. Bob Marley is there but the man next to whom he is a mere insect remains snubbed
Lee Perry. Yes, he is insane, but it's good insane.
Toots Hibbert, if you like. He is a butthead, but when has that ever stopped anyone?
Warren Zevon. The new rule should be if I do an episode on them, they should be in.
Nick Drake. Ditto.
Tangerine Dream
Can. Kraftwerk are there, but they are nice safe Germans. Let's have some loopy, dangerous Germans. Actually, we had loppy and dangerous Germans once and that ended bady, didn't it?
Dionne Warwick. Anyone who had a heart would induct her.
John Prine. Oh, come on...
The Meters. Any band that has a man called Zigaboo Modeliste in it is worthy.
Gram Parsons. A glaring omission. Emmylou Harris is conspicuous by her absence as well.
Ben. E King. Perhaps trying to co-exist with Sam Cooke and Jackie Wilson harms his chances.
The Box Tops. Throw in Big Star as well.
Lee Dorsey. And what about Earl King?
Dave Bartholemew. Cannot believe he isn't there.
and, as you said, Kate Bush.
There'a a far more egregious omission, though, in the usually pretty good Country Music Hall of Fame. The first superstar of Country Music, the great Charlie Poole, hasnt been elected. Jimmie Rodgers was the first man elected to the Hall but the man who built up the audience for Rodgers to inherit has been snubbed.
Anyone ever accuse you of being a hipster, FQ?
@@JamesKPolk-ik6kg No-one that's survived doing so..
Addendum:
The Dead Kennedys
The Buzzcocks
X
Fugazi
The Minutemen.
Yet they'll induct Green Day on the first vote...
What would your criteria be for admission? Question to both Foul and Barry.
So how would you change the admission criteria - a question for both Foulie and Barry. And anyone else.
Great commentary overall, and thank you for including Blue Oyster Cult. A criminally underrated and mostly forgotten band that had a huge impact on Rock in the 70s and countless bands that would follow them. Among the progenitors, at least in terms of theme, content, and approach, of what would become Heavy Metal. Today all they are known for is Don't Fear The Reaper by way of a tired if classic SNL skit. A shame, really. Listen to songs like Black Blade, Divine Wind, and Veteran Of The Psychic Wars and tell me that's not Metal or great songwriting.
Also, Buck Dharma (Donald Roeser) is among the great Rock guitarists of all time and is hardly mentioned among his more noted and celebrated peers. Great sense of feel and melody, never overplays, always serves the song, and has a great tone. Also a distinctive and excellent singer I might add, who sang on at least half of BOC's catalog along with their formal lead, Eric Bloom.
Not enough cow bell for Blue Oyster Cult to be considered
Never got the pub that Reaper did, but "Then Came the Last Days of May" is as fine a song as has ever been written. "Cities on Flame", "Burning for You", "Redeemed", What a catalogue they have. No Tull? No GFR? Sucks.
"Don't Fear The Reaper" also lives on, as the opening theme song at the beginning of a T.V. Stephen King movie (The Stand). That's where I first heard it and I was really impressed. Then I bought and immensely enjoyed the rest of their songs.
The Golden Age of Leather and Dominance and Submission.
@@stratocruising Redeemed always makes me smile. BOC was such a diverse band ! Redeemed showed that they could do country and children's music ❤️
Richard Thompson should be in. Fifty years plus with Fairport Convention plus his work with his then wife Linda and his solo work. A great songwriter and ace guitarist. One of the founders of folk rock.
Good list. Thank you particularly for including Styx, Supertramp, Kansas, Tull, and Joe Cocker. I never hear anyone talk about them. I remember when Styx pretty much dominated the mid 70's and when I first heard Supertramps unique new sound I was blown away, not to mention the long list of hits they each turned out. The hall of fame has become a joke, all of these bands are left out but the GoGos are in! Are you kidding me?
The Go-gos are worthy
@@murraydavid6777 Haha, I can't tell if you're joking or not, or maybe you're just trolling. Either way, they're certainly not worthy when considering all of the bands that came before them that have been left out, who together shaped the landscape of modern music with multiple platinum albums and numerous chart topping hits. There are other women rockers who have made it and deserve it, the Gogos do not rate!
I say they rate because of how much knee-jerk resistance they faced for their very existence. I say they're a great band that people still refuse to take seriously.
And it's impossible for "the original lineup of Styx" to play anywhere because John Curulewski, whom Tommy Shaw replaced, passed all the way back in 1988, unless a Ouija board could somehow actually channel the dead and be amplified.
No J. Geils band but all these other jokes voted in the hof is bullshit
Thank you for mentioning Humble Pie. They were huge in the early 70's, but have been forgotten by many, and the younger folks haven't even hear of them. NO ONE compared to Steve Marriott (IMO) for powerful soul/rock singing and charismatic front man skills. He is considered by many of his peers to one of the greatest ever vocalists, yet Rolling Stone Magazine has never included him on any of the "top 100 rock singers" lists or" Top 100 rock front man" lists. Pretty Sad.
Chris Robinson has done Steve Marriott more honor than anyone
@@Chris-tx3eb True, Chris does admire and appreciate Steve - bless him...
Actually Steve Marriott is in The RNRHOF. He was inducted with Small Faces and Faces.
Those lists are voted for by musicians and music industry people so you can't really blame Rolling Stone for those
I think Jetheo Tull is the single most glaring omission. Time in the business, popularity, musical variety, a Grammy award (which people are still pissed about), sales, great shows, Hits, concept albums, et cetera. Revisit that Grammy Album too, especially the CD version with the addition of "Part of the Machine". So what do you really have to do to get in?
Why did it take so long to induct Pat Benatar? What a voice!
Awesome live act too!
I didn't realize Tull wasn't in, damn. They should be in the Hall based on ONE album, Aqualung. There are albums in rock history that are great from beginning to end, no filler at all, and Aqualung is one. But JT had other great albums, like Benefit and Living in the Past. There's also criteria for the Hall about being a unique artist- c'mon, what other band had a lead player with a flute? That aside, Tull was incredibly successful in the 1970s, and Aqualung is one of the greatest rock albums in history- end of story.
@@markb20 agree!!!....everything you said plus ian anderson is one of the best frontmen ever...its a disgrace, a mockery they are not in...they are the 70s...no better all around band..
@@robertlavorna2968 Yea you're right. I think the problem with Tull was they were grouped in with other "Prog Rock" bands of the '70s, and though a few of them have finally been put in the Hall (like Yes, The Moody Blues), there is still a total lack of respect for Progressive Rock- which Jethro Tull really isn't even a part of!
The Rock Hall caters to Rap and Country to garner young fans, but ignores the fans of Prog rock- a genre that's 100% rock and roll. The Hall doesn't know what it is anymore...
Yes, it is really hard to believe that it took so long for the Hall to induct Pat Benatar. She was actually a trained opera singer and had one of the most powerful voices of anyone in rock music. Glad that she finally made it though.
Watching this video was worthwhile just to hear the line, "Maybe there should be two genres - shit and not shit" That was classic, man.
Grand Funk, Steppenwolf, Foreigner, Supertramp just glaring omissions.
I would argue that Paul Rodgers is possibly the best vocalist in rock. He's certainly been around long enough and amazingly, his voice is as good now as it ever was back in the days of Free.
Him & Jimmy page should go on tour 🎸
@@juniorjohnson5961 Reaffirm The Firm?
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I'm Radioactive ☮️
Add Ted Nugent, Iron Maiden, The Scorpions and Triumph to your list just to name a few
Ted Nugent only in the context of the Amboy Dukes.
Totally agree that Jethro Tull and ELP deserve HoF inductions. I'd also vote in Procol Harum, a great progressive/symphonic rock band, and Blood, Sweat and Tears, which had the best horn section in the world.
You forgot Boston. Their debut album is still the most successful first album ever. And extremely influential, especially in terms of production. They rewrote the book on what hard rock sounds like.
Glaring omissions is entirely accurate! Everybody you mentioned is wholly deserving, especially when compared with the HOF inductees thus far. In the Keith Emerson biography, he acknowledged that ELP was simply never quite capable of creating singles for radio airplay. but nevertheless their contributions to popular music are profound.
The Guess Who aren’t in the Hall. Their impact was monumental. They had a plethora of hit songs.
The omission of Supertramp is the crime of the century.
Well put
Agree
I Will Never Go To The Rock'N'Roll Hall Of Fame. Because Of Who's In It And Who Is Not In It. What A Complete Mess They Made Of It! It's Completely Ruined Now! And Every Year It Gets Worse!
Supertramp, ELP and Jethro Tull are a MUST, instead we put Enimem
I know, right?
And don’t forget the Beastie Boys.
@@stevenbelow2502: I do TRY.....
The three Dunhill Records acts; Three Dog Night, Steppenwolf & Grass Roots! All Blacklisted by Wenner and that bunch!
Bad Company, Blue Oyster Cult, Kansas, Jethro Tull, Styx....doesn't get more rock and roll than these band hey Dolly Parton, who has been put in ! 🙄
@@dankelly5150 Dolly turned them down, then changed her mind. Why country, rap and hip hop are in boogle's my mind!
@@ww2remembered983 They really need to re name it “The Pop, Rock and Metal and Hip Hop Hall of Fame” 🤷🏻♂️
Potter & Lambert - PJ Sloan & Barri as well, are songwriting GENIUSES.....
Rory Gallagher? Saw him a dozen times in the 70s and he never failed to make everyone feel they had witnessed something special. “Irish Tour ‘74” still one of my most listened to albums.
*Posthumously, obviously.
Yes, also shamefully omitted - Johnny Winter, Robin Trower, Three Dog Night, Foreigner, Procol Harum, Steppenwolf, Thin Lizzy, Mott the Hoople, Uriah Heep, Humble Pie, Free, Bad Company, Rare Earth, Mountain, The Guess Who, REO Speedwagon, Rory Gallagher, Foghat, Ten Years After, Alan Parsons Project, Slade, The Monkees, Black Oak Arkansas...
Another enjoyable summary. Grand funk railroad, Iron Maiden and Tull are glaring omissions- imo. Maybe those guys weren’t part of the in club or didn’t zealously support the right causes. Humble pie was very influential for many that came after, but ignored. Once upon a time the honor seemed legit, now it is a cringe.
Some more names for you...
*Peter Frampton*
*Robin Trower*
*Mountain*
*The Sweet*
*Johnny Winter*
*Edgar Winter*
*Rick Derringer*
and the list of those that should be included in the Sidemen category is staggering...
but let's just start with Mick Ronson, Mick "Woody" Woodmansey, Trevor Bolder and Mike Garson aka *The Spiders from Mars*
Nice list. It's a crying shame.
Jan Ackerman - Focus
You're "bloody well right!" I would say! They all should be recognised for their great music.
Thanks for including Kate Bush in this list. I'm mostly a metal head, but she's been my favorite for most of my life.
How is Kate rock and roll.
@@stephenlegg262 She's had a few pop hits, but she has a lot of support from the prog rock crowd. Apart from prog, I've loved Black Sabbath since 1970, but can't deny Kate's genius. Particularly as a producer. She was the proverbial "Mad Scientist" in the control room.
@@stephenlegg262 how are ABBA, Duran Duran, Whitney Houston or any of the Jacksons Rock and Roll?
Let alone the country and jazz artists.
By the way, she’s nominated this year.
It looks like you cant get into the Hall of Fame if you desrev it and if you are Dolly Parton or The Sex Pistols, you can't get out of it if you don't want to be in it.
Lot of good suggestions there. I would add Uriah Heep ( in terms of album sales and longevity), Rory Gallagher and Wishbone Ash.
Ahh-- Wishbone Ash gets a shout out!!! Their first 4 albums are great!!! We've seen them many times over the years, and just saw their Live Dates tour last summer!!!! And Rory Gallagher for sure!!!
Jethro Tull is the most glaring, but there are others as well. The Guess Who comes to mind, I mean American Woman was their song first amongst other classics.
Thanks for making GFR your #1 selection for this list: frontman, Mark Farner is woefully under-rated as both a singer and guitarist; and bassist Mel Schacher and drummer Don Brewer were one of Rock's all-time greatest rhythm sections!
I agree 100%
No band short of the Monkees is more detested than GFR. They sold a lot of records, yes, but basically only to their fans. Very little crossover to the casual rock fan. They have little respect from other rock musicians and are very unlikely to be voted in.
Rock N Roll Hall of Shame is to busy inducting rappers and pop singers nowadays.
You would think rappers would have their own HOF.
My three glaring omissions are Deep Purple, Ten Years After and number one Foreigner. With a voice like Lou Gramm’s how can they not already be in.
Deep Purple's been in for several years,
but should've been in for years before that.
Deep Purple got in 7 years ago in the class of 2016 🙄 you are mad about who isn't in the Hall when you don't even know who is there
@@BlondeReaganite sorry missy guess I’m not as nerdy on the HOF as you.
Criminal that Steve Morse wasn't inducted with Deep Purple. He's an absolute genius. Wrote all the music for the dregs, who, by the way, gets my vote for best band nobody knows. Does a couple albums with Kansas, also flying colors. But how in the world are you the guitarist for a band for over 25 years, and not be included in their hof induction. Ridiculous
@@benjacques1984 Straight up, Ben! Dregs were pioneers! Don't forget Steve Morse Band, Angelfire, Living Loud, and the incredible guitar instrumental "solo" album "High Tension Wires", . Not to mention many cameo appearances on other great musician/band's albums. Voted best overall guitarist 5 years in a row in Guitar Player Magazine (they subsequently banned him from future voting to give other players a chance!)....and John Petrucci's biggest influence.
Buffy St Marie never having even been nominated is a disgrace. Donovan who launched his career covering her song "Universal Soldier" which Buffy wrote and recorded is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. A iconic songwriter who is underrated and ignored by music historians.
PBS has a great episode about her on their American Masters series.
One you missed, The Moody Blues. I went and saw them in the 90's, just because they were in town and me and my friend were looking for something to do, and got tickets at the door. Almost every song was a hit single, and Tuesday Afternoon live is amazing.
hard to believe that the Moody Blues are not in th RRHOF but Whitney Huston and Dolly Parton are
@@raymo6795, maybe I missed something, but I seem to remember the Moodies being inducted in 2018. Unfortunately, Ray Thomas wasn't able to be there for the induction . . . .
@@johndemeritt3460 …maybe, but there are plenty of other glaring omissions, and many undeserving, RRHOF really means nothing to me
The Moody Blues were inducted only after Jann Wenner, who for unknown reasons absolutely HATED them, sold his controlling interest so he was no longer able to keep them out. Better late than never....
@@CrankyBeach, I can think of at least one person I'd like to see banned from the Hall, but I don't think I should have unilateral power to do that. So, yeah -- better late than never.
So very glad to hear you mention Grand Funk and Free. Two bands that are constantly on my turntable. The folks who run the R&R Hall of Fame have their heads up their you know what. Two Canadian bands, each of whom dominated the charts are the The Guess Who and Bachman Turner Overdrive. In 1970 The Guess Who out-sold The Beatles. When you consider who has made it into the Hall one just shakes one's head. Considering those who are not in the Hall cancels out any credibility they may have had in the first years of the Hall's existence. The R&R Hall of Shame.
Steppenwolf was also mainly Canadian. I saw the Mark Farner Band a decade or so ago and a month later saw Grand Funk and Steppenwolf on the same bill.
@@massimosaffioti8798 Yes, re the Canadian connection. John Kaye was actually from East Germany and escaped with his mother, then they moved to Canada. He couldn't speak any English when they first arrived in the 1950's.
@@fittobetiedyed5315 Jerry and Dennis Edmonton and Goldy McJohn were native to Canada, while Nick St Nicholas was also an East German refugee who'd settled in Canada. These 5 were known as The Sparrow until Nick and Dennis left in 1967. At that point they changed their name to Steppenwolf. Dennis, of course was better known as Mars Bonfire and wrote the iconic Born to Be Wild. Nick came back in 1969, but was gone again the following year. Prior to The Sparrow Nick was in The Mynah Birds with Neil Young and Rick James.
Considering that the Beatles stopped putting out new music in 1969, it was pretty easy the TGW to outsell them in 1970. 🤣🤣
@@r.p.mcmurphy6623 Actually, there was a lot of Beatles music in 1970, including two singles and two albums, as well as residual sales from releases from 1969, for example. So I'm not sure you can diminish the Guess Who's efforts on that point. Both bands were all over the charts in 1970.
His solo work might not be everybody's cup of tea, but Phil Collins is one of only 3 artists to have sold >100m albums both solo and within a group. The other two (Jackson and McCartney) are in the RRHOF for both group and solo work, so Phil surely deserves that accolade too.
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I'm English and a huge Jethro Tull fan. Do I care that Tull are not in the "Hall of Fame"? No, not at all, it's an irrelevance, means f*** all to me, and I suspect to many others.
Couldn't agree more about GFR, the only act I'm surprised you failed to mention is Boston, Their 1st album alone should have made them a lock.
The omission of Jethro Tull is shocking, amazing and indeed criminal ! Album and ticket sales between Stand Up and Minstrel in the Gallery alone, should have them included in the Hall, ten times over !!
Bread, America, ELO, Three Dog Night, Ozzy Osborne as a solo artist, the remaining members of KISS, Thin Lizzy, Ted Nugent, guitar great Robin Trower, Nazareth, etc.. Many more actually. I agree with you my Friend!
Kiss has been in for several years.
@@laustcawz2089 Yes, they have been. Thanks!
@@laustcawz2089 I'm hoping that the remaining KISS members do get in. When a band gets in, I feel that everyone should get in.
Elo is in
Elo in there although only Lynne and wood were there .
You nailed it with Kansas. So underrated and misunderstood. Rounding out my top 10 would be... 1. George Thorogood 2. Squeeze 3. Devo 4. The Smiths 5. Jethro Tull 6. New Order 7. Bad Company 8. Supertramp 9. Foreigner. Going back a bit further, I would also include The Guess Who and Badfinger. But I stopped caring or paying attention to their snobbery and subjective idiocy many years ago.
I would add The Guess Who with the tandem of Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings. Randy Bachman's other band - Bachman Turner Overdrive - also belongs in the RnR HoF. Winnipeg rocks!!!
ABSOLUTELY.....it's a complete travesty that Grand Funk Railroad has not yet been considered for induction into the RRHOF. They were the original garage band who played their way to mountainous heights of popularity, BUT, the self-anointed arbiters of musical taste back in the day and even now, have chosen to neglect them. They were never darlings of the critics and it seems they are still pariahs. It's unlikely they will ever be nominated.
The RRHOF has very questionable credibility at best. It lost its way long ago when it began inducting rap and hip hop groups. That an induction into it is viewed as some form of validation of an artist's music is laughable; unless the criteria of selection is either simply playing nice in the corporate sandbox, and/or being certain critics' pets.
The RRHOF is simply an artificial institution with a nomination and selection process which is filtered through an American corporate lens. Hype and sales are the drivers. Money talks. The art of music is a distant, secondary consideration.
100%
Make it 1000%.
Bad Company & Free should be in as well as Paul Rogers alone .
I couldn't agree more with you, Grand Funk must be there, they deserve to be recognised.
Couldn't agree more about GFR! It's political BS with many of these great bands!
Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Toto, Scorpions.... I just cant fathom what the criteria would have to be to omit them while adding so many questionable acts. Sales? Influence? Legacy? these bands have all that and more. Your list is also quite thorough.
It's insane that Iron Maiden repeatedly gets ignored....
I totally agree with the need to add the Spencer Davis Group. They had a remarkable amount of great classics for being relatively short lived. Blind Faith also-one album but a great one.
I agree with you on all the bands that you mentioned. I would add Rory Gallagher and Ten Years After. You’re correct in saying Rockin’ the Fillmore is one of the greatest live albums of all time. It’s right up there with the Allman Brothers at Fillmore East and Deep Purple Made in Japan
Definitely Rory and Alvin and Co.
Agree with every omission on your list, especially Jethro Tull & Grand Funk Railroad. I'm not a fan of Styx or Supertramp, but their influence and work is undeniable. The opening salvo of "Are You Ready" on the first GFR live album almost explodes the track off the turntable with its energy. Great video.
and the ending of "are you ready"- how much of an adrenaline rush is THAT? if that band hadn't blown apart...
This list versus the numerous acts that should NOT be in RRHF
clearly shows what a pathetic institution it really is.
The inclusion of certain acts is as absurd as if Tom Brady was inaugurated into the baseball hall of fame.
The whole process has rendered the award meaningless; a sad shadow of what it used to be.
Boston, Rory Gallagher, Styx, Kansas, Grand Funk. All pretty obviously deserving it seems to me.
For me, I agree with all of your choices and chagrin.
I feel the eternally underrated Be Bop Deluxe deserves notice.
Ian Dury & The Blockheads is another superior outfit they will always overlook. Too 'Rock n' Roll' for them, ironically...
Maybe into the British Hall of Fame, but that's it. And I said MAYBE...
Paul Kossoff could put more emotion into one note than many other guitarists could put into 100.
You’re list and add-ons are spot on. The band I would add to your list would be Foreigner. To many great rock bands are missing from the “Rock Hall”. If not for an all out effort by Detroit rock stations years ago, we may be talking how Bob Seger is not in. Comments have added other great bands
ROFLMAO ! "Two genre's of music , shit and not shit." Thank you so much for that statement. I will be chuckling about it all day. 🤘🤣🤘🤣🤘
The late ,great singer ,songwriter Dan Fogelberg ! Not everyone 's cup of cha ,but one of the greatest songsmiths of the rock era .... Undeniably !
You're right, I saw Dan Fogelberg live at the FOX theater in Atlanta many years ago and he was a one man show, he didn't need smoke, lasers and pyrotechnics, he was an extraordinary performer. I'll never forget seeing him perform. Sadly lost to prostate cancer.
The Innocent age is an epic album
There were a plethora of singer/songwriters who came to prominence in the 70s. Fogelberg was one of the best but he never seemed to get the recognition he deserved.
@@davidcox3076 I loved him, his song writing was beautiful as was his voice was like honey and when I saw him at the Fox Theater in Atlanta, all he needed was a guitar, at bar stool and a microphone to captivate the crowd. RIP Dan 12/16/2007
One of the greatest ever
The Cocteau Twins. They ended up spawning two musical subgenres: shoegazer and dremapop, surely they deserve it on that alone. Add to that Liz Fraser's unique and influential vocal style and it's a no-brainer.
Wonderful call... all these groups are too idiosyncratic for the corporate club that is the RRHoF... savour their uniqueness...
Yes!!!
I’ll never get in because very few Americans have heard of them, and probably very few Canadians
I was recommended this video after watching a Professor of Rock video about The Guess Who. Adam asked the question, "What is the biggest RRHoF snub?". Of course the Guess Who was mentioned many times since they were the subject of the show. But you snubbed them too! I was was surprised to learn of many other snubs from reading the comments though. I was floored when I read Supertramp is one of the snubs--unbelievable. The voting process seems to be a lot better than the nomination process--it really needs new blood.
Nice to see that you had Supertramp up so high, the quality of their top two albums alone should have gotten them in long ago, I'll add one more, Boston, they had the best selling debut album for a very long time, either put the band in or Tom on his own.
I view Boston and Kansas almost as a pair. Came out at the same time , good bands and songs, and geographical names.
Two glaring omissions (probably because they are British Blues players) are John Mayall and Alexis Koerner. The many great British Blues musicians that they "found" is staggering.
ooh I forgot about them! great callout!
That ELP are not in it is ridiculous, Emerson himself is one of the main 'inventors' of prog !
'There should be two categories sh*t and not sh*t' - Great Line!!!
Interesting list, well thought out. I'd add DEVO to the list. They've been nominated a couple of times but never reached the bar.
Devastatingly original, influenced so many US post-punk bands, watching their early videos and their early major TV performances and you just have to ask why are these guys not in the R&RHOF? Pioneers at multimedia and music, and great musicians too.
Devo is in Jackass. They shouldn’t be!
Bob Moog and Alan R. Pearlman should be in, for their contribution to synthesizer technology.
Yes, put them in the “influencer” category for sure. They can put Tangerine Dream in as influencers too, like they did with Kraftwerk, since TD did as much as anyone to push the boundaries of the Moog’s capabilities.
What about Nunaki, the guy who invented the drum in 736 BC?
Your list is eye-opening. I would add The Guess Who. Tremendous talent and great music. One of my favorite bands of the era.
Top 20 songs from each, please.
I would take Bachman-Turner Overdrive Over The Guess Who
Have to absolutely agree with King Crimson/Fripp, ELP, Joe Cocker, Grand Funk Railroad, CSN&Y, Spencer Davis Group & Manfred Mann. Gotta luv the term 'Suit Wearing Fatties.' An essential video!
I will list three artists that should be slam dunks for the HOF...
1) Peter Frampton 2) Peter Frampton 3) Peter Frampton Why? #1 live album ever. Enough said.
Superb list! All are more than deserving, and their absence is another blow to the Hall’s credibility. I can think of another couple dozen glaring omissions, including Ted Nugent, Alan Parsons, the Guess Who, Bad Company, Robin Trower, Three Dog Night and Montrose
PROCOL HARUM being absent is criminal ,not only did they produce the finest hit single of all time but have a catalogue of great music. Sadly Gary Brooker is no longer with us but he surely deserves the honour.
Wow, reading this makes me turn a whiter shade of pale....
Arguably the greatest song ever written …game changer in music history..
They were nominated but not inducted.
@@williamlangan5902 That's true and quite unbelievable.
Should have been inducted 40 years ago. I feel blessed to have seen them as early as 1969 and as recently as 2019. Broker unquestionably had one of rock’s greatest voices.
Ronnie James Dio omission is also criminal. He should have been inducted with Black Sabbath. Rainbow with RJD omission after having landmarks like Rising, self titled and LLRnR is also insane. Dio solo career also deserves. Anyway you approach Dio’s long and prolific career,you will see that HOF ignoring him is shameful.
TEN YEARS AFTER.....AND YES.....IM SCREAMING!!!
Jan Wenner has his head up his butt when it comes to Prog Rock bands. Look at how long it took Yes and Rush to get in. All the other bands you mentioned definitely need serious consideration if not being inducted. I grew up on BOC, Jethro Tull, Bad Company, Styx, ELP, and Grand Funk Railroad spinning on the turntable.
if it weren't for the fan vote, I doubt neither Yes nor Rush would be in. I think Black Sabbath got in when they were embarrassed enough.
Definitely, King Crimson! 🎶
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young are in the hall of fame. You could also include Steppenwolf, The Guess Who, 3 Dog Night, Tommy James & The Shondels and Foreigner.
CSN are in the hall, not CSN&Y. Neil is in for his solo career and as a member of Buffalo Springfield. Young should be in for CSN&Y, as well as a member of CRAZY HORSE. Seems the Eric Clapton rule (Only Eric is in 3 times, much deserved) is keeping him out. But, as someone mentioned earlier, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is now a total joke. Almost as stupid as the Grammys.
@@bobh9652 My bad, you're right, Neil Young was not part of the Hall of Fame with CSN. I don't even watch the Grammys anymore...I can't relate to most of the music made today. It's like the new generation is taking over.
I can’t believe that you nailed this list exactly as I would have. Brilliant. Great insight.
In addition to the very worthy bands/artists mentioned in the video, the so-called R&R HoF has kept out:
A-ha, Bad Company, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Big Country, The Bangles, Blood Sweat & Tears, The Bodeans, The Boomtown Rats, Boston, The Buckinghams, The Church, Cliff Richard (& The Shadows, including the great Hank Marvin), Dan Fogelberg, Eddie Money, Foghat, Gerry & The Pacemakers, Graham Parker, The Guess Who, Huey Lewis & The News, INXS, Jan & Dean, Joe Jackson, Kenny Loggins (with and without Jim Messina), Men at Work, Midnight Oil, The Monkees, Paul Revere & The Raiders, REO Speedwagon, Steppenwolf, Toto, The Turtles, Wings, and last but at least memorable: ? and the Mysterians.
Love Big Country, my fav but not sure they deserve it. SA was a lyrical genius. But the hall is not credible if they do not include the Smiths who were tremendously influential. Hopefully Joy Division gets in this time. Would love to see the Cult, Echo, Furs, etc. see their day.
Hell Yes, Kansas, Styx, King Crimson, ELP, Grand Funk Railroad, Jethro Tull, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, and Blue Oyster Cult everyone you mentioned should be in the Rock and Roll Hall Fame
...some will make it, what about "Boston"?
Critics dislike these bands for various reasons. They also dislike the folks who listen to them for having lousy tastes. And then they start the RRHOF and induct dance divas, pop singers, and rappers to, as I put it, "own the rockists" - that is, drive fans of Kansas, Styx, King Crimson, ELP, Grand Funk Railroad, Jethro Tull et al. crazy.
They should take bitching and moaning lessons from Geddy Lee like he did to get Rush in?
This is a really thoughtful, well articulated, and excellent list. I agree that all of the bands you put out there certainly deserve more recognition. However, for me personally, the band that goes to the top of the list is Badfinger. Incredibly talented group with wonderful song writing. Cheers...
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Agree with your piss boilers - especially Grand Funk. Also, agree with several comments about the Guess Who and BTO. That said, as a native-born Clevelander, I do not pay much attention to the HOF. Why, besides the omissions, I find it crazy that an artist can be elected more than once! If you’re in as part of a band or as a solo artist, etc., you’re in. Why the multiple inductions? Just my “piss boiler.”
The R&R HOF lost all credibility with me when they included shite like ABBA-Beastie Boys and all of the other RAP/Hip-Hop rubbish into their Hall. The fact that Canned Heat and many others are denied is pure bollocks to me.