Honda needs to make a 30" version of the HRX217HZA with Microcut blades (2 sets), hydro drive, NeXite deck, etc. The only problem is they don't really have the right vertical shaft engine to do the job right. The GSV190 is probably not quite enough and after that there's nothing until you get to the GXV340 which is perfect power-wise at 15 ft. lbs of torque, but the thing weighs 71 lbs. Maybe if it is situated properly on a nice light (but strong) neXite deck it could work. Probably would be better with a lighter 250-280cc engine though, if they developed one. Something like that would be a monster and put the Toro and Exmark commercial machines on notice as to the the best mulching capable 30"er available. Do it Honda!
Such a useful review, the manufacturer should really watch this and use it for and future designs, no engineer could possibly note all these user experiences. I really want a 30" mower just for my own yard to save some time and I'm between this, the exmark and maybe even a commercial 32" but I have some smaller areas and like the rear bagging. The fact that Toro didn't get back to you on the blade flying off and damaging someone's building, well that pretty much turns me off the most from this mower but since they make Exmark too, well, same thing I guess. Thanks for posting this really in depth review with real world information.
Hey bud...good video on the toro. I bought the exmark, and have been happy overall. You hit some points that are shared with the exmark. One thing you didn't mention, that I have learned is I ALWAYS shut the fuel valve off, and let the mower stall out when finished mowing a yard before transport. I have owned two of them, and if you don't shut the fuel valve off, because of the bad air filter design, the needle valve can stick open. When this happens, if the valves are in the right spot, the cylinder will fill up with fuel and hydro lock basically. When it happens, you cant restart the mower. You have to pull the spark plug and drain the fuel out. Just something else to keep in mind.
Hey man! Just curious where your from and how much these are brand new in your area? I'm from Peterborough Ontario and the 2015 models are on clearance for 2499.00$ save a couple hundred roughly. Also is the 2016 model improved at all? I may spend the extra for an improved model
you're scraping up my sidewalk with that junk and your blade just flew across the yard and hit grandpa in the head!! you're FIRED! someone call a medic for grandpa!
THE WHEELS ON ALMOST ALL MOWERS ARE PURPOSELY MADE CHEAP. DESIGNED THIS WAY INTENTIONALLY SO THEY CAN GOUGE YOU ON REPLACEMENT WHEELS EVERY YEAR OR TWO. WHAT THEY WANT FOR JUST ONE WHEEL IS INSANE LET ALONE FOUR. YOU WOULD HOPE AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WOULD MAKE HIGH QUALITY AFTER MARKET WHEELS AND CASH IN ON THESE BASTARDS. I KNOW THEY COULD BE MADE FOR THE SAME PRICE AND WHO WOULDN'T WANT THE LONGER LASTING WHEEL ?
its not just the wheels buddy. my friends works on our toro dealer. works on them all day. he says every year, more plastic, less metal. They make these machines to work well for a little while then break. maybe I've just had a bad experience, but I've spent probably over 25,000 just on Toro equipment. and this 30inch is truly a piece of crap!
Lol I don't even go over cement anymore. I've had times where I'm flying and get hit and that handle bar hits me straight in the balls. That crap sucks lol
I just noticed this was 5 yrs ago. Wonder if they’ve really fixed all the problems, and now there a lot better. I was thinking of getting one. Mostly because their soooo much cheaper than exmark.
Straight handle-bar on a walk-behind should be found on a budget mower. They need to make a more professional style handle-bar for that model. If you are walking behind and turning for 6 hours, your hands are going to feel it.
Good video. However, I question your Toro (Ford) ...Exmark (Lincoln) analogy. Exact same quality ...really comes down to personal preference and the quality of dealer you buy from.
Awesome and unbiased review. Ever since our Aussie inventor designed the rotary mower one hundred years ago, who would have thought manufactures still could market both domestic and commercial mowers with such massive design flaws. How hard can it be? It’s not the space shuttle, it’s a friggin lawnmower. Just like John Deere, Toro rely on their name and paint colour to pump out absolute inferior junk for profit. Again, great Vid and I’ll be going for better products 👍
Great review. I made a mistake on selling a great Craftsman rider a few years back, tried another one and they all have the same Popping Clutch Issue where they are hazardous ride and will give you whiplash. I was looking at this wide walk behind and was torn, you review makes a good case for it, covers some issues. Thanks for posting.
Very excellent review and video. I'm over in Spokane and had a chance to buy one that was only used like 4 times, but I couldn't get enough good information to pull the trigger and I am an old man that is a one man show, so 1500.00 is allot for me. Thank you much.
Thank you for this! Of all the reviews, I must admit yours is the most informative and professionally done, providing all of the information needed on the Turfmaster----.
A very thorough video, you tell of real issues that can be problematic. I am wanting a commercial 30"...have a Timemaster but thats not made for commercial use. Debating between the Toro and Exmark but now its 2023
I wouldn't go using Ford/Lincoln and Chevy/GMC as comparisons. My parents owned at 1997 Lincoln Continental and that car was a piece of junk! So just because you pay the premium brand price doesn't mean you're getting premium quality.
BTW, exmark is a wholly owned subsidiary of toro. The difference is they say exmark is supposed to be “commercial” while toro is for home owners- whatever that means. They are all made in the same place, by the same people.
List of issue's about the 30 inch Toro Turd-Master the transmissions go out within a year, another the cable brake bracket snap off due to factory not using lube to prevent corrosion when assembled in mexico. So you end up with broken screw stuck in cutting deck that takes awhile to extract broken screw out. And the V-Belts go out with 4 to 6 months of use... The Brake Arm pully's get locked up.. Another issue, the cutting deck pulleys go out when the dust caps pop-off allowing dirt inside causing wear burning out the bearings, the Factory sometimes forget to tighten the damn motor mounts on upper deck gets worn out due to vibration... Don't ever buy one. It's the worse design flaw, and a cheap design that is too heavy and slap on face on the consumer. I know cuz I work on these at a dealership repairing em for warranty paying the Tech shit to fix their issue's. Don't even waste your time with the new 21" Commercial Toros.. They are shit too, the transmissions go out on those during year and half of use... The Old 21 inch commercial Toros 22195 and 22197 still the best. DON'T buy a new one.
"I was notified of a recall, disregarded and tried to remedy on my own, damage occurred, Toro wouldn't fix damage, Toro has poor service" Did I hear that wrong?
I bought the ExMark 30 Commercial the first year of it's release and put on an hour meter. The mower was so fast and strong when new but slow and slippery ever since. I've had to replace a transmission after about every 110 hours of use. The first one or two were covered under warranty. The first trans was the best and every trans since has slipped much more and tightening didn't help as it was as tight as possible. They said they made improvements but all the trans have slipped more. The part number did change. I asked my dealer and he said they lightened the clutch to make it last longer but, I said like a automotive clutch, if you let it slip more, it wears faster so I call B.S. on Toro/ExMark. I tightened the cable so much to make it better it eventually snapped. I retired my mower to personal use after maybe 500 hours. Since new, I've spent at least $2000 on pulleys, spindles, bearings, transmissions, belts, cables, etc. It hasn't made a nice cut the last half of the use (250hrs+). Only the Kawasaki engine has been perfect, otherwise it's a lemon!! Avoid it at all cost! I wish I could sue! Later, I bought the Toro Hydro 21 Aerator brand new, from a different dealer. On every job after about 20mins the aerator slowed down to maybe 1mph. The dealer and rep said they didn't have a clue and because it cooled down by the time they would look at it they did not believe me. I showed a video and they said, huh, we don't know. Fluids were all new and full, and I used Premium Ethanol-free. I fought it for a while and sold it.
Would love to have a 30 inch mower really hoping Honda will come out with one soon. Have been watching numerous reviews on the toro and the exmark both have plenty of things I just don’t like. Hurry up Honda and build a product without all these problems for your customers.
Scrape off the foam. We think you can still use the air filter without the foam. UNLESS, this makes the filter too loose. In that case, put something on top of the filter, (such as another piece of GOOD FOAM), to keep it tight. We own a small engine repair shop. Maybe this will help. Excellent video. Very thorough. Thank you! BTW, what size are your Hondas? 21"? Or larger?
I was wondering if Toro had fixed all those problems mentioned, if they haven't they are going to lose many customers. I'm seriously considering the Honda HRC216HXA.
I got one from local dealer yesterday with13 months warrenty. It kicked my grass! Supreme cut quality. Hope mine does not give the headaches as yours but that comes with the job. Thanks for vid now lets go MOw and have a glorious day. 🐊
Thank you for the excellent review. I've been debating purchasing this machine or its Exmark version but the reviews have been so mixed that I am hesitant to purchase it considering the purchase price of $2 400 here in Canada where I live. I have a few questions for you: 1. Does the machine rut at all? 2. How good does it bag...especially the wet stuff and leaves? Thank you and keep up the great videos.
In The Transmission if you read the instructions there is a bolt or something you can loosen to give more power. I read that and immediately fixed it and I laughed at my self cause that weak transmission gave me so many problems! That's a heavy mower to be pushing up a steep hill, once I did that I literally was able to move it with no effort, one hand even!
How is the cut quality on your? It's not that great on mine especially in tall grass. I also feel that the mower is under powered. I noticed that when I empty the bag, whether it is full out not, there is a build up of grass in the chute. Like if it doesn't have enough power to shoot the grass all the way into the bag. Great video by the way.
wtf? I thought the reason they redesigned that air filter in the first place was cause the old style air filter leaked dirt through? I guess not since I haven't had that problem with mine.
I had a honda commercial grade mower for 25 years and never serviced it, or replaced the oil. It died on me last week, so I just purchased a new one yesterday.
I have the 21inch version of this mower. Love the Kawasaki engine it has. Biggest con to me is that it’s heavy and not good on maneuverability. But it does cut great and has good power
I also have this mower and you hit it right on the head. I do not have the blade issue that you talked about but more of a carb. issue and not from the air filter. It will not idle down and will not restart when hot it takes sometimes 15 pulls to restart but when cold 1. I dont know if you have this proplem or not but somthing to look for. Also the front baffle comes off with 4 bolts under deck this slightly helps with grass build up under deck. Thanks for video.
The Turfmaster HDX is supposed to have improved on most of the cons you mentioned. With the air filter, the new ones come with a revised version that has a hard rubber instead of the foam on the bottom. That small Kawasaki is a great engine!
I would get the turfmaster. The HDX is much improved with a beefier engine and transmission. It's a good thing that Toro is improving because they used to have so much cheap plastic parts. I want to support American made so the HDX is a beast
One question. Basically no one has the answer. What is the torque on this engine? Now some others questions: Why does the tread matter if it's weight makes wheel grip very good? Does the ticking problem still exist on the latest models as of 5/2017? Why does turning this mower seem very awkward? Lastly, this is the 22200 model. Have you done a review for the newer 22210 model?
Thanks for the info. This model 22200 is old and is kinda weak Kawasaki at 7.3ftlbs. The newer 22210 model on toro's site doesn't show the torque for it's eninge nor does Kawasaki, why?? The TimeMaster has a Briggs/Stratton engine and easily displays it 10 ftlbs of torque. I thought the TurfMaster was for commercial and stronger? Well, thanks for Briggs! I use a Toro Smart Stow 20339. I'm very happy with it. I am considering a 30inch or just jumping to a ride on and use the 20339 for cutting in or small properties.
check ur belt tension and make sure the belts not rubbing against the plastic front piece. u have to make the belts on these pretty loose. we used the timemasters for commerical use , for the first 2 years they did great but after that it was junked. u gotta take off the plastic piece then loosenthe metal bracket clamp and when u do, its spring loaded and worked by tension so just make it looser and itlls go away, try it a few times until u get it perfect, ur going to want to make it a little loose .
sonic knuckels thanks for the comment and. Its funny that you said that cause literally last week me and a friend were working on it trying to figure out that noise and found out it was the belt tensioner. It look a little bit of finding that right spot where I doesn't make that noise and we found it. It also cuts way better now! I was cutting some pretty thick green wet grass yesterday and it cut every blade of grass, were before it would miss so much. Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it.
Ambro's Landscaping Inc. lol we used these last year and iwas the guy who fixed all the broken mowers and stuff, ive been fixing lawnmowers and shit since i was like 10, im 24 now . another thing that suck about these is they leave stupid ( mowhawk) cuts and they bog down in 3 inches of grass. anoher thing that sucks is the RPMS that the motor /blades spin at is very slow so what you have to do is take off the govenor spring and cut a few rings out of it then bend another tab and then it will make the engine and blade spin faster..
The popping usually is a result of there being too much gas in the carburetor when the engine is off. If it runs, pops, then dies, it may have a choke problem not allowing enough gas into the engine, but floods the carb.
Kevin Jag that sounds right to me as well. My dealer told me that during transport, the red knob that is connect along your fuel line, to shut that off and it should help the problem.
I wish Honda would make a 30-32” twin blade mower
Agreed
Agreed but i can say the turfmaster are much better now
Shoot it’d be $4k lol
Honda needs to make a 30" version of the HRX217HZA
with Microcut blades (2 sets), hydro drive, NeXite deck, etc. The only problem is they don't really have the right vertical shaft engine to do the job right. The GSV190 is probably not quite enough and after that there's nothing until you get to the GXV340 which is perfect power-wise at 15 ft. lbs of torque, but the thing weighs 71 lbs. Maybe if it is situated properly on a nice light (but strong) neXite deck it could work. Probably would be better with a lighter 250-280cc engine though, if they developed one. Something like that would be a monster and put the Toro and Exmark commercial machines on notice as to the the best mulching capable 30"er available. Do it Honda!
They won’t. Honda usually never listens to their customers.
Sooo, basically it sounds like the mower is a big pain in the ass!
Such a useful review, the manufacturer should really watch this and use it for and future designs, no engineer could possibly note all these user experiences. I really want a 30" mower just for my own yard to save some time and I'm between this, the exmark and maybe even a commercial 32" but I have some smaller areas and like the rear bagging. The fact that Toro didn't get back to you on the blade flying off and damaging someone's building, well that pretty much turns me off the most from this mower but since they make Exmark too, well, same thing I guess. Thanks for posting this really in depth review with real world information.
how would you compare to the time master that is $800 bucks cheaper
Levi Wright I have a timemaster and I think it’s underpowered compared to the turfmaster.
Hy Ambro !!
I 'm Christian from Croatia and yuor fun 👍👍👍🎖🎖🎖
Terrific review on the mower. Thank you for making the video.
Flying blades?!? Zip ties?!? bad transmissions?? piss poor air filters??? NOT GOING TO FIX??? Isn't that nearly $2000.
Hey bud...good video on the toro. I bought the exmark, and have been happy overall. You hit some points that are shared with the exmark. One thing you didn't mention, that I have learned is I ALWAYS shut the fuel valve off, and let the mower stall out when finished mowing a yard before transport. I have owned two of them, and if you don't shut the fuel valve off, because of the bad air filter design, the needle valve can stick open. When this happens, if the valves are in the right spot, the cylinder will fill up with fuel and hydro lock basically. When it happens, you cant restart the mower. You have to pull the spark plug and drain the fuel out. Just something else to keep in mind.
This is a problem for any machine with the Kawasaki FJ180 Kai. I have had this happen with a toro commercial 21".
Hey man! Just curious where your from and how much these are brand new in your area? I'm from Peterborough Ontario and the 2015 models are on clearance for 2499.00$ save a couple hundred roughly. Also is the 2016 model improved at all? I may spend the extra for an improved model
Can you get the wheel moving without having to engage the blades? And btw for the bald tires, staple some bicycle tire tread on them.
you're scraping up my sidewalk with that junk and your blade just flew across the yard and hit grandpa in the head!! you're FIRED! someone call a medic for grandpa!
THE WHEELS ON ALMOST ALL MOWERS ARE PURPOSELY MADE CHEAP. DESIGNED THIS WAY INTENTIONALLY SO THEY CAN GOUGE YOU ON REPLACEMENT WHEELS EVERY YEAR OR TWO. WHAT THEY WANT FOR JUST ONE WHEEL IS INSANE LET ALONE FOUR. YOU WOULD HOPE AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WOULD MAKE HIGH QUALITY AFTER MARKET WHEELS AND CASH IN ON THESE BASTARDS. I KNOW THEY COULD BE MADE FOR THE SAME PRICE AND WHO WOULDN'T WANT THE LONGER LASTING WHEEL ?
its not just the wheels buddy. my friends works on our toro dealer. works on them all day.
he says every year, more plastic, less metal. They make these machines to work well for a little while then break.
maybe I've just had a bad experience, but I've spent probably over 25,000 just on Toro equipment. and this 30inch is truly a piece of crap!
hi there I'm a solo lawn care guy I'm from Montreal Quebec in Canada I use a toro proline commercial 21'
Lol I don't even go over cement anymore. I've had times where I'm flying and get hit and that handle bar hits me straight in the balls. That crap sucks lol
I just noticed this was 5 yrs ago. Wonder if they’ve really fixed all the problems, and now there a lot better. I was thinking of getting one. Mostly because their soooo much cheaper than exmark.
If Honda made a 30 it would dominate. The one thing you didn't mention is because of its weight and shitty tire traction. It sucks on hills.
I would buy 2 honda 30's if they made 1. Toro and exmark 30's suck
If a customer came up to me talking about my lawn mower is annoying I'll just fire them I ain't got time for the B.S
this lawn mower is a law suit waiting to happen.
They recalled the spindle issue, so no.
Straight handle-bar on a walk-behind should be found on a budget mower. They need to make a more professional style handle-bar for that model. If you are walking behind and turning for 6 hours, your hands are going to feel it.
Honda all the way
Good video. However, I question your Toro (Ford) ...Exmark (Lincoln) analogy. Exact same quality ...really comes down to personal preference and the quality of dealer you buy from.
Yea I have had both. He is off base on this one. Quality is the same. Different features on each but just preference
Awesome and unbiased review.
Ever since our Aussie inventor designed the rotary mower one hundred years ago, who would have thought manufactures still could market both domestic and commercial mowers with such massive design flaws.
How hard can it be?
It’s not the space shuttle, it’s a friggin lawnmower.
Just like John Deere, Toro rely on their name and paint colour to pump out absolute inferior junk for profit.
Again, great Vid and I’ll be going for better products 👍
I stopped being interested in this mower the minute you said blades broke off
Superior Lawn Care o
They fixed this problem with the recall. New mowers don't have this issue.
Great review. I made a mistake on selling a great Craftsman rider a few years back, tried another one and they all have the same Popping Clutch Issue where they are hazardous ride and will give you whiplash. I was looking at this wide walk behind and was torn, you review makes a good case for it, covers some issues. Thanks for posting.
Idk... Seems the cons overwhelm the pros! :-/
Ya I personally think they have some things to work on
Very informative and useful info. Thx much
I will stay with the honda HR 190 cc,, I have it since 2019, never had a problem
From this video it has crystallised that Toro is absolute shit.
Lol I get covered in grass clippings from carrying this bag!
I have to 2013 toro with the same engine and mine still starts first pull, great mowers👍
our left rear tire always bends. how bout yours. after a while it breaks off.
It's one heavy bitch though. I would need a trailer just for this 30'' mower. It's too heavy to safely get into a pickup.
We use 2 ramps. Very easy
Very excellent review and video. I'm over in Spokane and had a chance to buy one that was only used like 4 times, but I couldn't get enough good information to pull the trigger and I am an old man that is a one man show, so 1500.00 is allot for me. Thank you much.
I am in spokane too, cool to meet you scrappy
I always go with Honda engine.
I agree.
Good review man looks like a quality mower!
Quality??? Did you even watch?
Thanks mate
My Toro time master makes the same ominous ticking sound
Thanks for a helpful In-depth users review of this mower.
I think you’re a bunch of crybabies replace the bearings belts And keep going
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Thank you for this! Of all the reviews, I must admit yours is the most informative and professionally done, providing all of the information needed on the Turfmaster----.
A very thorough video, you tell of real issues that can be problematic. I am wanting a commercial 30"...have a Timemaster but thats not made for commercial use. Debating between the Toro and Exmark but now its 2023
How much horse power??
Are all the lawn care guys super attractive...? Cause damn...
I wouldn't go using Ford/Lincoln and Chevy/GMC as comparisons. My parents owned at 1997 Lincoln Continental and that car was a piece of junk! So just because you pay the premium brand price doesn't mean you're getting premium quality.
BTW, exmark is a wholly owned subsidiary of toro. The difference is they say exmark is supposed to be “commercial” while toro is for home owners- whatever that means. They are all made in the same place, by the same people.
this mower hurts my wrist
What model is that
List of issue's about the 30 inch Toro Turd-Master the transmissions go out within a year, another the cable brake bracket snap off due to factory not using lube to prevent corrosion when assembled in mexico. So you end up with broken screw stuck in cutting deck that takes awhile to extract broken screw out. And the V-Belts go out with 4 to 6 months of use... The Brake Arm pully's get locked up.. Another issue, the cutting deck pulleys go out when the dust caps pop-off allowing dirt inside causing wear burning out the bearings, the Factory sometimes forget to tighten the damn motor mounts on upper deck gets worn out due to vibration... Don't ever buy one. It's the worse design flaw, and a cheap design that is too heavy and slap on face on the consumer. I know cuz I work on these at a dealership repairing em for warranty paying the Tech shit to fix their issue's. Don't even waste your time with the new 21" Commercial Toros.. They are shit too, the transmissions go out on those during year and half of use...
The Old 21 inch commercial Toros 22195 and 22197 still the best. DON'T buy a new one.
"I was notified of a recall, disregarded and tried to remedy on my own, damage occurred, Toro wouldn't fix damage, Toro has poor service"
Did I hear that wrong?
Poor air filter, small gas tank, edge guard poorly designed, clumps up too much in wet grass, etc. Sounds like it just has too many issues.
I bought the ExMark 30 Commercial the first year of it's release and put on an hour meter. The mower was so fast and strong when new but slow and slippery ever since. I've had to replace a transmission after about every 110 hours of use. The first one or two were covered under warranty. The first trans was the best and every trans since has slipped much more and tightening didn't help as it was as tight as possible. They said they made improvements but all the trans have slipped more. The part number did change. I asked my dealer and he said they lightened the clutch to make it last longer but, I said like a automotive clutch, if you let it slip more, it wears faster so I call B.S. on Toro/ExMark. I tightened the cable so much to make it better it eventually snapped. I retired my mower to personal use after maybe 500 hours. Since new, I've spent at least $2000 on pulleys, spindles, bearings, transmissions, belts, cables, etc. It hasn't made a nice cut the last half of the use (250hrs+). Only the Kawasaki engine has been perfect, otherwise it's a lemon!! Avoid it at all cost! I wish I could sue! Later, I bought the Toro Hydro 21 Aerator brand new, from a different dealer. On every job after about 20mins the aerator slowed down to maybe 1mph. The dealer and rep said they didn't have a clue and because it cooled down by the time they would look at it they did not believe me. I showed a video and they said, huh, we don't know. Fluids were all new and full, and I used Premium Ethanol-free. I fought it for a while and sold it.
Exmark commercial 30 has all the same problems. Believe me. I have had one for 3 years now. Very underpowered is my big complaint
Would love to have a 30 inch mower really hoping Honda will come out with one soon. Have been watching numerous reviews on the toro and the exmark both have plenty of things I just don’t like. Hurry up Honda and build a product without all these problems for your customers.
Scrape off the foam. We think you can still use the air filter without the foam. UNLESS, this makes the filter too loose. In that case, put something on top of the filter, (such as another piece of GOOD FOAM), to keep it tight. We own a small engine repair shop. Maybe this will help. Excellent video. Very thorough. Thank you! BTW, what size are your Hondas? 21"? Or larger?
Exmark is better
I was wondering if Toro had fixed all those problems mentioned, if they haven't they are going to lose many customers. I'm seriously considering the Honda HRC216HXA.
I got one from local dealer yesterday with13 months warrenty. It kicked my grass! Supreme cut quality. Hope mine does not give the headaches as yours but that comes with the job. Thanks for vid now lets go MOw and have a glorious day. 🐊
Thank you for the excellent review. I've been debating purchasing this machine or its Exmark version but the reviews have been so mixed that I am hesitant to purchase it considering the purchase price of $2 400 here in Canada where I live. I have a few questions for you:
1. Does the machine rut at all?
2. How good does it bag...especially the wet stuff and leaves?
Thank you and keep up the great videos.
In The Transmission if you read the instructions there is a bolt or something you can loosen to give more power. I read that and immediately fixed it and I laughed at my self cause that weak transmission gave me so many problems! That's a heavy mower to be pushing up a steep hill, once I did that I literally was able to move it with no effort, one hand even!
How is the cut quality on your? It's not that great on mine especially in tall grass. I also feel that the mower is under powered. I noticed that when I empty the bag, whether it is full out not, there is a build up of grass in the chute. Like if it doesn't have enough power to shoot the grass all the way into the bag. Great video by the way.
Which one to by the turfmsster or exmark 30 RUDISON LANDSCAPING LLC
wtf? I thought the reason they redesigned that air filter in the first place was cause the old style air filter leaked dirt through? I guess not since I haven't had that problem with mine.
I had a honda commercial grade mower for 25 years and never serviced it, or replaced the oil. It died on me last week, so I just purchased a new one yesterday.
I have the 21inch version of this mower. Love the Kawasaki engine it has. Biggest con to me is that it’s heavy and not good on maneuverability. But it does cut great and has good power
I jusr bought the exmark 30 a month ago...love it so far..thnx for the air filter info will check mine out!
Great video! What headset do you use while you cut to listen to music with??
excellent info on both Toro and ExMark plus Hinda I would call it professional grade presentation
Do you have a warehouse, or somewhere you keep your trailers? If so, can you do a tour of something?
Great video!
Are the newer Toro Timemaster with stronger engine better?
A dealer told me Toro increased the engine size for 2019.
Have you used a Cub Cadet 28" cc600? If so, how does it compare?
Hello from Australia.🇦🇺. Great review. Cheers! 👍
Which would you recommend for a ztr. Scag tirger cat or toro 3000 series
Dude based on the condo mower blade brake I would be done with Toro unacceptable. Good video.
My turfmaster sometimes puffs a cloud of smoke upon start up. Is that from transporting it ?
If Honda gets into the 30 inch mower market they will own it
Thanks for this video. In the market for a mower and must avoid Toro now.
what's the name of the song at the beginning ?
Thank's
Is this mower really 33'' wide overall? That's what the specs say.
When mowing where to you usually leave the throttle
88litres -7litres Honda
70 Litres
30" Mowers look Sooo Slow. I used to have a 32" stander. Cost more but... Seems faster and easier.
You can put 2. 30s in the back of a pickup so no need to pull a trailer. That saves you a fortune
Sometimes I wonder if I this would have been better than my compact pro 34'' gravely. Would have been cheaper.
I highly doubt this would be better
I also have this mower and you hit it right on the head. I do not have the blade issue that you talked about but more of a carb. issue and not from the air filter. It will not idle down and will not restart when hot it takes sometimes 15 pulls to restart but when cold 1. I dont know if you have this proplem or not but somthing to look for. Also the front baffle comes off with 4 bolts under deck this slightly helps with grass build up under deck. Thanks for video.
Does it effect the suction or the cut quality ?
I just subscribed. Great video.
Whats the smallest size gate you can pass the turf master through?
If the deck on the timemaster is the same, then it's 32 inch's wide.
Thank you for a brilliant video.
The Turfmaster HDX is supposed to have improved on most of the cons you mentioned. With the air filter, the new ones come with a revised version that has a hard rubber instead of the foam on the bottom. That small Kawasaki is a great engine!
I got the new one with the Kohler it's awesome 👌🏻
Very thorough review. Thank you!
Nice vid how does it mulch?
Is the turf master faster than the timemaster from Depot? I have a timemaster but wanted a beefier Commercial
I would get the turfmaster. The HDX is much improved with a beefier engine and transmission.
It's a good thing that Toro is improving because they used to have so much cheap plastic parts. I want to support American made so the HDX is a beast
One question. Basically no one has the answer. What is the torque on this engine? Now some others questions: Why does the tread matter if it's weight makes wheel grip very good? Does the ticking problem still exist on the latest models as of 5/2017? Why does turning this mower seem very awkward? Lastly, this is the 22200 model. Have you done a review for the newer 22210 model?
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Max. power 3.4 kW (4.5 hp) / 3600 rpm
Max. torque 10.0 Nm (7.3 ft.lbs) / 2400 rpm
Thanks for the info. This model 22200 is old and is kinda weak Kawasaki at 7.3ftlbs. The newer 22210 model on toro's site doesn't show the torque for it's eninge nor does Kawasaki, why?? The TimeMaster has a Briggs/Stratton engine and easily displays it 10 ftlbs of torque. I thought the TurfMaster was for commercial and stronger? Well, thanks for Briggs! I use a Toro Smart Stow 20339. I'm very happy with it. I am considering a 30inch or just jumping to a ride on and use the 20339 for cutting in or small properties.
Before I even watch this video that intro was sick!
Thanks for sharing
A lot of guys seem to recommend the timemaster over the turfmaster !
Do you know if the timemaster has all the same issues ?
I wouldnt buy the Timemaster simply because it has a Briggs engine.
Thanks for the info.
Great review. I know of a shop near me that sells 100 of these a year, commercial guys love em
Yeah right
check ur belt tension and make sure the belts not rubbing against the plastic front piece. u have to make the belts on these pretty loose. we used the timemasters for commerical use , for the first 2 years they did great but after that it was junked. u gotta take off the plastic piece then loosenthe metal bracket clamp and when u do, its spring loaded and worked by tension so just make it looser and itlls go away, try it a few times until u get it perfect, ur going to want to make it a little loose .
sonic knuckels thanks for the comment and. Its funny that you said that cause literally last week me and a friend were working on it trying to figure out that noise and found out it was the belt tensioner. It look a little bit of finding that right spot where I doesn't make that noise and we found it. It also cuts way better now! I was cutting some pretty thick green wet grass yesterday and it cut every blade of grass, were before it would miss so much. Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it.
Ambro's Landscaping Inc. lol we used these last year and iwas the guy who fixed all the broken mowers and stuff, ive been fixing lawnmowers and shit since i was like 10, im 24 now . another thing that suck about these is they leave stupid ( mowhawk) cuts and they bog down in 3 inches of grass. anoher thing that sucks is the RPMS that the motor /blades spin at is very slow so what you have to do is take off the govenor spring and cut a few rings out of it then bend another tab and then it will make the engine and blade spin faster..
Neat mower
First view!! Finally lol. One quick question, on my turfmaster my engine keeps popping and idk why like it will start idle Pop then die
The popping usually is a result of there being too much gas in the carburetor when the engine is off. If it runs, pops, then dies, it may have a choke problem not allowing enough gas into the engine, but floods the carb.
Kevin Jag that sounds right to me as well. My dealer told me that during transport, the red knob that is connect along your fuel line, to shut that off and it should help the problem.
try some seafoam