Trans Daughter or Prodigal Son? | with Kallie
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Kallie has been running remote support groups for parents of trans-identifying sons. We speak of the emotional cost such identification has on families, and how the "gender affirmative" model and mindset is not all authenticity and rainbows.
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I'm gay. I remember how it was almost programmed into us that we have to remove ourselves from our families if they don't fully accept us.
It's very cult like behavior...
The same way if you marry out or your race or change your major in college. What a disappointment! I think this one is on the parent. Did you marry a woman, date a man, or forever hold your piece to make your family feel better?
Not fully accepting is way different than abuse tho. People don’t get thag
Cats are self-cleaning and do not need to be washed. I think washing them in the dishwater voids the warranty.
This is a very good point.
The label says “self-wash only”
Cats are not that clean, I’m so appalled by this footage! Now his dishes will be washing with cat hair which seems like it could clog the drain besides being nasty.
@@shirleya-z794Wait uh minute……. That seems like some pro-dog propaganda! You’re not a golden retriever, are you, Shirley?
Dogs are even grosser than cats. I have always had cats I just set limits on where they can go. Like not on my bed or in my dishwasher if I was so fortunate to have one.
The group help saved my life. I was in a very dark place and felt so alone. It had brought me to my knees like nothing else in my life. Finding the group and then a life coach got me through that and I can feel joy again. It is still a huge part of my everyday thoughts but I recognize this is his life and he has to figure it out on his own. I will be there for him when he comes out on the other side.
100% relate to every part of Kallies story. I've walked the exact same journey from New Zealand. Thank you so much Benjamin.
I am going through the same thing with my son, and devestating does not even begin to describe the feelings us parents are going through. I also feel lost, like I have nowhere to go to get help for my son because everywhere, from medical professionals, to psychologists, to schools, to his friend group, to my friend group, to his sibling all support this and deme me as the unfit and crazy one. What a sick, apprehensible world this has become.
I'm sorry you're going through such an unnatural and confusing trial. These people epitomize the banality of evil, allowing themselves to ignore truth in favor of comfort and preservation.
@@za5820so are you for or against tran people because I don't understand what ur comment is implying?
I am so sorry you are going through this trial with you’re child😢. I went through this with
My daughter a year ago. She adopted a trans identity after experiencing sexual trauma. I have been researching this issue since then and almost all of these kids are suffering with co-morbid mental health issues. Good luck to you❤
@@RS-zj2sg mental issues tend to be from @bus3 caused by others not accepting theyre trans or being treated differently from even their own family and friends, not necessarily because the Trans identity made the person m3ntally i'll.
And your kid could have been trans before the tr@uma, it depends. But most times, being trans, and traumat1c experiences are not mutually exclusive. Just stating.
@@baristaz8834 so do you only view the world through pro and anti trans I don't understand what ur comment is implying :P
I submitted something on the rogd website. Thanks Benjamin and Kallie. I’m in so much pain and I need support.
Hang in there. I know there are others who will understand and be able to offer support.
Hope you‘ll get the support you need!!
As much as it hurts, you will know you did what you thought would best help your child. It's a similar situation to parents with addict children. They may hate you ferociously for the moment but there will be a time they recognize how much you've cared. I hope you can manage through the rough times and soon see the good times.
I am going through this too, there are more and more of us. It is a nightmare but we have to stay strong and try to hope.
I don’t understand why the emphasis can’t be on accepting one’s own natural body as it is and then encouraging people to dress and present however they feel comfortable. It’s mindboggling !
It’s not a problem with the body, it’s a problem with the mind/ego. The body is a lot easier to change than the mind/ego, as evidenced by the very very low rate of recovery from cluster B disorders. Of course, changing the body does nothing to heal the mind/ego, but it can give the sufferer a sense of temporary control over their reality. It can also provide a sense of belonging to a small group, which I think is what all of these people are ultimately seeking. All human beings want is to feel accepted and validated as human beings, but unfortunately, few of us do. If we have not developed a strong ego, we will lack the ability to self validate. In the past, when people were more connected and socially engaged, it was easier for children to find that acceptance from peers when they didn’t get it from their parents. To be clear, I am not blaming Kallie or any other parent for their inability to accept and validate their children as human beings. We live in a world in which we are only valued for what we can do or what we can produce rather than simply existing. But it’s true nonetheless that if a child isn’t accepted and validated as a human being by their parents(especially their mothers), they will seek that validation elsewhere, and they will feel they need it more than they need air and water.
Docs and pharma can't profit off of that
Psychologists encourage acceptance but if after years that doesn't work we are allowed to go to the next step. Personally I'm one of the few who use estrogen and have been castrated who fully accepted their body. I wanted to stay a boy and not become a man and that's what transition did for me as estrogen doesn't really give breasts to males. You'd need progesterone and/or implants but I never wanted that aspect. Throughout youth I kept my weight low and reduced protein so I'd stay short. The lady's kid in the video had anorexia and if try to beat that out of someone who is trying to prevent masculinization without medicine and they don't accept their body, it's devastating. They likely will not engage in other relationships at minimum and if they do, they may be abusive to put it mildly. What would a male think of women after his mother allowed nature to do that to him? It's sort of like saying that you believe in a natural cures when someone comes down with cancer; it won't work.
@@DorianPaige00dysmorphia is a psychological condition, so it's not analogous to cancer. We don't help people with depression by affirming that there is no hope, we don't help people with a fear of heights by affirming that if they look down they will die. We don't affirm people with other body dysmorphia, like anorexia, by offering them liposuction. I'm sorry to hear that therapy didn't help your dysmorphia about becoming a grown man. Anxiety about body changes during puberty is very common, though intensity can vary. Avoidance of an anxiety trigger increases anxiety over time. The best treatment is gentle exposure. Did the surgery cure your dysmorphia?
@@rachelm6941 Yes, the orchiectomy prevented me from masculinizing further as I saw it "ruining my body". I had protein and calorie restriction in place by 12 so I was staying under 5'5" with small features as I was controlling and governing the nourishment needed to advance that. For years in high school, I didn't produce sperm nor could I function sexually since I was underweight which didn't really bother me because I was less sexual than most. Actually if I wasn't, I'm sure gender criticals and conservatives would drag somebody like that through the mud. I guess much of it started because I was borderline precocious and didn't like it. I'm sorry to say but I view most men's bodies as "ruined". Testosterone builds their body like tanks and psychologically it turns men either against each other or in political alignment with each other with the intent that no other men enter their personal space. You even see this with gay men with their "hit and quit it" attitude among most and the fact they are not face to face during intimacy and actual prefer that.
Furthermore I looked ahead and asked if I'd be happy as a man "shooting sperm" and "popping cherries" and I thought that was quite vulgar as that part of human nature told me that humans were not divinely created. You notice it's not socially acceptable for adults to talk about how babies are made in any depth but supposedly many think we have a deity in the sky to look to for righteousness. If somebody with these doubts and body issues then did the "gentle exposure", they'd ruin their body and I think we see evidence that men in general don't like their developed body. The type of pornography with the largest views among men are twink and transgender M2F videos. A transgender prostitute told me that she lost half of her male clients because they transitioned. So essentially pornography is projection of who one wants to be in many instances. Most people think sexuality is mysterious but that's more because testosterone makes it so that men can't find their words and get in touch with their feelings. They actually lose that ability in addition to a strong sense of touch and easy going temperament. That all leaves in the teen years and the skin during masculinization has thick corpuscles, produces more hair, and the subcutaneous fat is eliminated.
Your "gentle exposure" is akin to maiming but first cutting the off the nail, and then the finger, and then the hand, and then the arm. I realized immediately it would be best if I preserved myself for me and possibly for someone else. All the while I knew being light weight, small, and not having testosterone in my body was actually making me healthier. I've connected with a handful of other males who have become adults like me and we have full relationships. There is no "p" in LGBT nor am I advocating their to be. Earlier hormonal transition would have helped me as I'm from a generation who didn't allow this. In 1991, I was 15 and spoke to a counselor about depo provera and I remember David Duke was running for President in 1988 saying that he supports castration for sex offenders. My logic was why would I have to molest a kid or rap a woman to get it? Matthew 19:12 in the Bible mentions where Jesus talks about eunuchs and that a male should accept that if that is the path he wants to go down. Christ also addresses if a man has value if he doesn't have kids and the answer was yes. I advocate for youthful transition as determined by doctors because I don't want the government first and foremost into our medicine especially if it's not killing anyone. Secondly early transition would give someone like me a chance at normal adult relationships with others who are like me. I advocate because I was there and would have benefited but I'm also removed from the distinct patients. A parent, doctor, therapist, and adolescent need to make this decision as they know the patient and medicine best. I suppose you could launch an attack at me saying that I'm creating a "legal puppy mill" that idolizes youth which is in turn brought into adulthood. If we don't allow a teen to be who they see themselves as in future years, that person won't accept themselves. If they have full male sexual capacity and go through the porn and projection where does that lead. I think we've seen it play out and either you allow us to live our lives or you create victims if someone can't control himself. Well, they are isolated from those adults who preserved themselves because they didn't. There's no reason why my right to medicine should be restricted. By not allowing early transition, you are also setting up the argument that women have stunted brains and stunted bodies because they physically are like youthful M2F's who don't really change much in their teen years. That's actually going to be one of the next grifts conservatives will use to curtail women's rights after they get done with LGBT.
I do not advocate for the social mixing of restricted protected space of natal women and bio-kids. Perhaps transwomen could have learned from my careful maneuvering. If someone is genuinely offended and can launch an abuse claim for entering their space, it might be best to not go where these claims can reasonably be launched against one. Terms are negotiable but they have to be negotiated every time with all at the table. I have a strong legal sense because I had to be restrictive. I agreed with most conservatives until 2021 when they assaulted the Covid vaccine and conspiracies became the norm. When I was 15 my parents sent me to a religious counselor in addition to a more secular one. I did the Myers-Briggs test and ended up scoring ISTJ which says I'm more introverted, analytical, and judgmental which falls in line with many conservatives. Actually my gender identity is the most conservative thought I've probably ever had. Twinks are conservative! Who knew?
What a powerful interview, and such a clear portrait of a mother’s love. Thank you for sharing your story.
As a single millennial guy who hopes to get married and become a father in the future, all of this ongoing trans phenomenon is certainly a learning experience for me and serves as a cautionary tale that I will keep to avoid this ever happening to any future kids I have.
The best thing you(and your future wife) can do is foster a relationship with your kids in which they know they can talk to you about absolutely anything. Humans are pack animals, and if we feel alienated in any way from our original “pack”(family of origin), we will be desperate to belong to another.
Avoid supporting your children? I hope you don’t have any children after that statement.
@@katieandnick4113 And going on a show to talk about how your kid is wrong is not the way to foster said relationship
Yes. The magnitude of this sub culture of fantasy will be huge. Absolutely a sign that the society we have built via trusted institutions is in a state of collapse.
What a lovely and articulate human being sharing our shared story as moms. ❤
Even though I'm gay I've always found the trans subculture dishonest and self-deceptive and cruel. And from the beginning I've always thought how terrible it must be for the parents. Even when I first heard of the concept of "dead names", I thought how terrible it was to make the parents feel like the name they gave their child was now referred to as dead. And this is indeed how the subculture thinks about the trans person's entire life before transition. It's like that person never even existed. That is so cruel to the parents and family. But this is what they're being asked to accept. And the person is told that his parents are the enemy if they don't agree with everything you say. Can you imagine someone being told that his parents are the enemy? I think everyone involved is a victim of this horrible ideology.
Me too, I'm gay, I know what a cult is, and I'm not about to be gaslit by trendy twits whose benign neglect is fueling this.
Thank you for your kind, compassionate words for us parents.
not really. i consider my pre-transition self to still be part of me and nothing i'm ashamed of or hide. your comment is making bold assumptions about an entire group of peoples personal feelings
@@Self_deleted_Tranbecause you are autistic you have no personal responsibility?
Well, Speaker Mike Johnson has a prison cell warmly waiting for you if you want to vote conservative this time around. Don't believe me? Johnson was senior counsel in Lawrence V Texas that argued to keep homosexuality criminalized. Furthermore I use estrogen and castration and am gay so there goes that myth. I wanted to maintain my youthful characteristics (small height, thin frame, small hands/fingers, no facial hair, thick hair on head, no advanced musculature, thin corpuscles, etc.) and that's what I did through protein and calorie restriction. I had to play the transwoman card to get treated and the rest of the "g" thinks it's such a tragedy even though many like to hit on me and think I'm about half my age. Most in the gay and trans community offer me very little. I'm here for people like myself and quite frankly I don't care what Mike Johnson or Donald Trump does with the rest of you!
The parallels to both cult and addiction are where so many of the answers lie. The commonality of the three dynamics are the destruction of the family.
Thank you for this important episode. I am 7mts into this nightmare with my 23yr old son and related to everything Kallie discussed. I love my boy ( & my 2 girls) way too much to lie to them and I believe they will all find the way back to me. I know I need to surrender and let God
Amen. It's the hardest thing in the world to watch a beloved child destroy themselves and lose the siblings because they are caught up in protection mode.
God Bless you and your children. Thank you for not lying. Prayers that he will come to his senses.
How will you be lying? Maybe that little hometown church lied to you about a belief system. There are other churches and some of them must lie or be severely misled if yours is the only one who has it figured out.
The best way I can put it to you is that your kid wants to go back to the point of developmental neutrality and instill the other gender's sex characteristics or none at all. I don't know how that is lying because your kid feels inauthentic inside now.
I do know you wing-nuts will not stop until the medicine chest is rid of HRT. I had this issue in 1988 before social media and the things that were most influential on me were the scale and the mirror. I restricted protein and calories because I didn't want to develop into a man but didn't necessarily want to be a woman. I was happy as a boy and fought like hell to maintain a small frame and not shoot up in height. I was always the tallest in the class until 5th grade while being mentally precocious and hated it. I saw what men looked like as how can you miss them yet I didn't want that. I curtailed at Tanner 3 and wanted to keep all of my boy traits.
If this was cancer, you'd probably surrender and let God and you'd make bonehead medical decisions by splitting the difference when it got to hard and letting nature take it's course. If you think things are destined, don't look both ways before crossing the street.
I'd really like to hear from some fathers if they are brave enough to speak. Also, lets hear from the siblings and how it's effected their relationship. This destroys families.
why does it destroy families?
@@mitzara25 Watch the video, the woman runs a support group for parents of trans children who want to understand what's happening to their family unit.
Homosexual marriage, interracial partners, folks shakin' up, kids going to college, students changing majors, boys leaving the farm....all divided up families. But you know it wasn't transgender medicine that destroyed families. It was the parent's projection of knowing what's best and unacceptance of anything from it. War is actually the one thing that divides and permanently destroys families and if you press just a little harder you are about to get one! Keep it up cowboy!
A major reason why this matters so much to parents is that the child you raised, who now may be an adult, is gone. It is a metaphorical death of the child you raised. It isn't just hair and clothing choices. It's that the new persona supplants the child you knew. That is why it is so painful. It is a severe loss to the parents. And also if the process goes forth to medical and surgical interventions you have permanent medical damage to your child in addition to the original loss. Unlike a gay child, this is a totally different relationship fostered on the parents. The person you knew ceases to exist. Its not just a sexual preference. It is a completely different thing.
Transitioning is all about destroying the former self. Your old name becomes a "deadname," some even throw away old pictures. It's easy to understand how to one with trauma and/or self-hatred, it's an appealing idea.
I can understand that as well. I believe that my autistic son is doing it because he never liked himself, had few friends, and couldn't understand how to be a man. Although I understand and have empathy for him, it hurts tremendously nonetheless.@@Wild_flower_415
It is watching ones real child be killed by a fictitious alter. That is what is painful.
This is just sad, as a parent I would only recognize the child I gave birth to, I can't be expected to live in an alternate universe or betray my own existence, it's a psychological disorder and effective treatment does exist
also you don't want your kid to live as a horrifying monster _for their own sake_
Thank you Benjamin, Kallie, and chat. Happy New Year❤️
My favorite part was when you asked if she ever questioned if she was right. I can imagine that part of her wanted to be wrong. It takes courage to face reality and fight for the truth.
Connecting with other parents going through this has been crucial for me. Thank you Kallie for speaking out and keeping parents connected.
“They don’t need affirmation they need truth” great statement. It’s absolutely devastating that we just go along with these delusions. It drives families apart and hurts the person physically and mentally who’s “transitioning”. We do nothing but harm these people
I feel for these parents. 😢
Kallie, thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge. This conversation is so valuable and will be helpful to many I’m sure. My heart goes out to you and your family.
Benjamin, I know how reticent you’ve been over the years to approach this parental perspective. And for very valid reasons. I just wanted to say you did such an excellent job again with this calmversation. You’re one of the absolute best at facilitating these long-form discussions about such topics.
Thank you both
Beliefs "built" on LIES and DELUSIONS can not maintain themselves... God Bless you Kallie... THANK YOU Benjamin for sharing this conversation 🇺🇸
It is true that these illogical WOKE social experiments will not work. However, the mental illness or borderline personality mental disorder that dominates the Left seriously interfers in civilizations' recovery from the bad and frequently sick ideas they have altered society severely with.
The Left NEVER admits their social experiments have failed no matter how much data, statistics, or current research proves they were a disaster!
For example, all the stats prove how detrimental single motherhood has been for families, women, and their children. Much of our social problems are directly linked to fatherless homes. Single women raising children alone has resulted in the majority of these women and their children being locked into a lifetime of poverty, and also greatly increases the odds of their children going to prison. Yet, do you ever hear the Liberal or Left stop pushing this known to have failed experiment, or admit they were wrong? Nope!
Liberals, and their even more radical Left, are like soldier ants. They just keep marching across the land mercilessly destroying anything in the path of their social engineering goals, and leaving their devastation behind as they march on to create more. They do not stop!
But the liars and the delusionists are now entrenched with tenured positions for another 30 years or more
Again, what is the lie? All the person is doing is changing their physical characteristics. In the male to female transition, estrogen, blockers, and castration just reverse the first male puberty. Progesterone and implants are needed if one wants to have breasts. Many don't want that so where is the lie? I'm 48 and have many traits consistent with when I was 1/3 my age. Where is the lie?
"Projection of a desire is not reality" ... there is the crux. 29:05 to 38:00
Listening as the Mom of a trans 23yr old.
Me too. My son came out to me 7mt ago and I relate to everything discussed here especially the stages of grief and losing yourself in it, trying to find way to reach him and pull him back to reality
Me too. Son is 23 came out a year ago today.
holy moly just let your kids be trans. get over it already. trans people are normal and have always existed and always will.
vegan cat is what you have - - these clown academics lied to all of you - - it is fake and all the perverts are cashing checks... there is no such thing as a trans anything.... it is a lie - it is a cult and political activism kills....
I'm the same, about a year ago. My son is 25, it's terrible.
Such a sweet woman. You can't help but feel for her. All too relatable, unfortunately.
This was a very good interview and discussion.
You just described my life with my FTM daughter. 😢 I am going to join a support group. Thank you! I feel so heard.
What a lovely guest! Before I knew what was fully happening in the world of gender, a friend of mine had a teen who was going through this. I didn't have the word 'affirming' at the time, but she was 'matter fact' about it all. I asked her as any friend would, how she was doing about it all. I was looked at as though I had two heads. This was the beginning of me thinking something was a bit off. Anything big change or thing when it comes to your child you could ask how a friend is doing about it! Why is this off-limits? Well, now her other kid is in the racket in his own way, too. We have not really gotten together since, though. Anyway, the fairy tales and biblical stories keep popping up and making sense with all this. Prodigal son makes sense, as does the idea of the wolf in sheep's clothing or little Red Riding Hood. Enjoy both Leslie and your podcasts.
Thanks for sharing Kallie. We'll keep your family our thoughts. 🐿
She doesn’t have a daughter, but a son. Affirming these people is the route of the problem, and their disregard for others is abusive.
Your disregard for others is verbally abusive. Anyone with critical thinking skills could understand that.
@@Cheyscrochetshopcry about it
The difference with eg substance abuse in kids is that when you tell that to a doctor or a therapist, or anyone, everyone will understand that it's would and unhealthy and the proposed treatment is about actually curing the addiction and the health issues caused by it.
Here, the 'cure' is to deepen the problem without even attempting to solve it (eg dysphoria or other psychological issues, such as history of trauma/SA or being on the spectrum, etc.). And the society around you gaslights you when you're not going along.
by 'kids' I mean someone's children, regardless of age. many parents have adult children that have developed a habit later in life, etc.
Tell the wrong Dr. About "illegal" substance abuse, and that Dr. decides to tell a cop friend to start looking out for somebody....Anonymously
Compare transgenders to drug addicts! You really like greasing the wheel. How about those like myself who have benefitted from gender medicine?. Oh, you'll say I'm a categoric liar and can't be trusted to take out the trash.
ca. 30min. I'm finding it so strange: the _adult_ mtf wants his mom to braid his hair now? That's kind of regression from a 25 yrs old adult to a 5 yrs old kid...
Btw, my deep sympathies for the mom, and hope it will pass and her family will be healed🙏💙.
adult men who transition and try to engage in little girl behavior are so gross.
You make a great point. That is creepy.
@@scapps8173 Too be fair, I didn't think about it in a creepy way, but as a psychological/emotional regression, wanting to go back to the safe childhood space of parental care, and the trans behavior is a pretext to go back for him to this childhood space. (I'm also not saying this has to be conscious on his part).
Trans behaviour is a lot about not wanting to grow up. ROGD is I don't want my body to go through the major changes of puberty. I want to stay and infant forever and destroy my reproductive potential. I don't accept me as L or G, I have to alter my body. So sad.
This reminds me of a clip I saw on the show “Botched.” And I will use… coded language as to not upset the YT gods. There was a man on it who had “b0tt0m surgery” that didn’t go well (hence why he was on the show.) When he wanted it “fixed” he told the doctors he wanted “the v _ _ of a 12-year-old girl.” Not a woman.
This by far the best interview/podcast I’ve ever heard. Thanks to the interviewer, he let her talk!
This is happening here too and I can see that this is caused by trauma that was never addressed and therapists pushed this route and never addressed what is wrong.
How do you know? Were you in the therapist's office? Jamie Reed wasn't yet she testifies about things she thinks and things she hears snippets about.
Thank you Benjamin, for this interview, and all you bring and give and share which helps facilitate understanding.
Sounds like extortion these poor parents get subjected to. It's exploiting the relationship and how do families find their way back? It's very clear to me that Kallie is a wonderful mom. Her kids are luckier than they may ever know.
I thought that there night be a passing reference to Jazz "I am" Jennings in this interview. The points are out there but it's still too much of a taboo to connect them all and seek out the source of this social contagion. A castrated young man has been the main player in a TV series for more than 8 years and yet it's still regarded as a source of entertainment
"We're not doing this because we're transphobic." TBH I'm starting to think that's actually a good thing, to be afraid of something that damages so many people and so deeply. Maybe this is a word that needs to be taken back. It's no longer like "homophobia", where homosexuality effects no one but your possible life partners (and how to have kids.) Phobia is an irrational fear. This one seems plenty rational to me.
The solution is not to try to persuade transgender identifying people to identify with the other gender, but rather to affirm the self without using gender at all.
There is no one solution. Enabling is definitely not a solution, and standing in reality is likely the better approach.
Exactly, the same way no one gives appetite suppressants to anorexics
@@barboglesby2162 "There is no one solution." That's poignant to remember. Not only is there often no one solution to a complex issue, the terms used are not well-defined with multiple meanings and definitions being conflated and themselves ill-defined while also several different groups of people and concepts all being claimed and jammed together such that any action not fitting the most demanded "harms" that one. (Including play, fantasy, imagination, eccentricity, personal development and the general lack of social/cultural gender in children in conflation with minor sexed probability further including things like sexed segregation of children per the industrial revolution, conceptual misunderstanding, linguistic deceit, finding purpose and it's extortion,....)
The topic goes well beyond the false construction of identity, that is simply one subversion that's used broadly by any ideological effort willing to engage "intersectional" like abuses.
This is also why "sex/gender split" concepts are taboo/verboten. One of many reasons they stand is dissenting contrast against the subversion, as individuality and individual care is deemed "harmful." In this case, the idea to affirm individuality and that an identity is the multitude of all perceptions rather than engaging in a constructed demographic by representative -- to do so affirms the falsehood of "assignment" rather then observation, thus affirming a the pretense/dialectic emboldening the subversion, serving as affirming opposition.
I won't digress.... but I've always been kinda a terminally online person and I've seen many different groups back in the day that took up abused or those who felt they were kinds/people by offering them a place; love, identity, purpose, who then would laud that over them under threat of exile, excommunication, and the stripping of that identity. "From abuse, into abuse."
Notice I said "felt," it wasn't always actual abuse... more often the overbearing or disowning type parents/guardians (maybe think bad foster stereotype) ... even sometimes lack of purpose and lone outcasts.
To me... it seems that the abuses and exploiters have been the ones who have been lifted up as the representative for whatever multitude of reasons. And groups were always at threat of people like that taking over authority and it would turn into such a place... and then would attack and harass to quit and shutdown anyone else's attempt to create somewhere else or other groups. (Which fits in perfects with so many other things... see what James Lindsay speaks of among others.)
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_""" Empathy is not sympathy, it is understanding; and understanding requires no prostration. "Understanding" itself is misunderstood for appeasing submission, thus empathy is misrepresented as such to hang feelings with guilt. Submission is fine depending circumstances, but appeasement is a manipulation and abusive. The most "positive" usage of appeasement is "Altruistic Betrayal" -- appeasing to gain their trust, with the intention of betraying that trust to help them in hopes they forgive you, or if not you, at least does not jade them; it is a very dangerous, "playing with fire," technique. Common appeasement is usually out of fear and danger, or not wanting to have to deal with someone/something. """_
@@barboglesby2162 Are doctors the enablers? Do you want transgender adults to only by able to buy hormones illegally on the street? Who the hell are you to decide this? Let me guess. You have one vote and watched too much Libs of Tik Tok!
@@babysis6.059 The best way to address anorexia is to encourage the patient to mildly recover and maintain their frame. Most males who have that don't do so because of some twitch but because they want to stay as boys and not become men. That is not a delusion and a full embracement of reality as that is what they currently are with the permanent postponement of physical manhood only two pills away. And yes male puberty effects the mind. Men are 20 times more likely to commit a violent crime when compared to women. So if anyone needs to be locked up into an institution for violence, it's men.
Me again. It's not enough to say these are calmversations. They are heartfelt. This one had me weeping at about 1:19. Thanks to both of you.
That's a question I have often had - "Why are so many of them so insufferable and arrogant" and were they always that way or is that also part of the 'change'?
We'll call you a liar at every turn, enact 1,000 bills dedicated to eliminating your health care, and fire you from your job and then we'll see how you make out!
@@lks6248 The Alt-right movement is ripe for narcissistic individuals too. There's even one that is the head of it. Maybe you can work on banning that too.
I have to say that the assumptions made about my life and beliefs, in some of these responses, are also incredibly telling! I get that some are angry and fearful and understand why, even share in it, but our behavior either helps or hinders our goals and ambitions. Our capacity to carry ourselves better in the face of adversity can be THE difference between success or failure for both ourselves and any group we align with! That isn't to assign blame on ANYBODY but that is just a fact of life!
@@BlackWolf-uk2yb Conservatives have feedback loops and have threatened complete elimination of right to medicine which includes COVID vaccines in Florida and HRT for transgender adults. Florida surgeon general is bringing a halt to COVID vaccines in the state with the largest senior population. We are at that level now and you really can't sit down at the table with people who say both of these are medical malpractice. They say it in a calm voice and in a dress clothes. Transactivists come off as angry since any challenge is not to make gender medicine better but to categorically eliminate it. We are not organized to fight conservatives and we won't catch up until they are unto eliminating gay and female rights as well. Any physical threat by anyone in our group will brand every LGBT club and organization as terrorist; it's the Russian, Hungarian, and Ugandan playbook. Those that enacted those laws in those distant countries are US citizens and members of Alliance Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and American Principles Project. They are already here and the war they are raging is a media campaign! Remember when Jeffrey Dahmer was branded as the face of gay America?
Talking of prodigal sons, and otherwise, remember this:
“You can't expect the fatted calf to share the enthusiasm of the angels over the prodigal's return.” (Saki)
The calf would be eaten either way though, just on a different occasion. 🤷♀️
True. @@joane24
What a brave and thoroughly honest woman.
At first I thought your cat transitioned. Wow..I am so relieved.
You don't just have to lie to your child. You have to lie to your other children. You have to lie to your husband, your extended family, your friends and every single person you encounter. It's too much to ask if anyone with a moral compass.
What is the lie you are telling your spouse? I'd love to know!
@@DorianPaige00 everytime you speak to his daughter in front of him and refer to her as a man you are lying. I would think it was obvious.
@@windingvines1 Just use the person's name and no pronoun as you are becoming the drama queen about this and a Christian social justice warrior. What I want you to admit is that the lie includes taking HRT to induce the alternate puberty and/or reverse the one you've undergone. You can't deal with the fact that people have the power to change their traits through a biological process. I've never used the women's room and my license reveals my birth sex so in no way can you pin me as a fibber in that regard. The point is that the entire argument gets into the sovereignty that adults have because now were passed banning the kids and let's just admit, it was not going to stop there and quite possibly adult rights will be banned quicker through backdoor methods . Furthermore it will extend to criminalizing homosexuality. I can cite a paper from the early 80's that stated that gays and lesbians would become depressed because they are misusing their body parts. Furthermore the same defamatory concept of lying about one's body is used to curtail their rights as well and has stuck it's head up again.
If you are going to make the push which states that LGBT are categoric liars and should have profession licenses revoked on that ground of identity then you are using extreme force against us and we'll have to mount a defense. This is where it's headed.
@@DorianPaige00 get help
This little gold tiger 🐈 dishwasher explorer...😂is a new member of the lovely Boyce-Lesley cats? 😀😍
I understand what you are saying and I’m glad you stand up.
All family members need support when anyone in the family declares a trans identity.
There are so many siblings and children who have zero truly understanding and non judgemental support.
Benjamin, THAT is not how to clean your cats. Don't even think about it.
Yes, it's always best to use the washing machine on the wool cycle, select "no spin." Just joking!
Unrelated, but does anyone remember a Boyce podcast from maybe a year or two back where he interviewed an activist who eventually left activism bc the lefty activists were getting so crazy? I remember there was a trans woman who did something really vile - I forgot what - but all the activists seemed to care about was that the trans woman be gendered correctly. Thanks!
I'm 71. In my age group, estrangement from adult children and siblings is not uncommon. In fact, "happy" families are a rare event. Usually, it is the adult child who refuses contact with parents or adult sibling. They move far away and never visit, phone, or message. One friend lost 3 of 4 to big cities. When she visits the cities concerned, they're always sick, unavailable, or out of town. They are all "normal" (whatever that is), none have these issues. What we don't talk about is that family break up/estrangement of parent / grown up children is more common than not.
I'm a feminist AND I wanted to be a mom 👋🏻
A book by melody Beattie called codependant no more may be a big help to many wreastling with these hard situations
I feel for this mom, we my husband and I almost divorced as a result of our 24 y son hit us with this stupid trans stuff on Christmas Day of 2021. I’m still dealing with depression not know how our kid is up to cause he stopped talking to us! I wish there was an answer to this mess! I have ask God, why? But I haven’t got an answer
I understand it's a lot to process and a struggle on your end, it happens especially in religious families.
Ill say this now, I'm a trans ally, if you want to ignore this simply because of that then go right ahead but I do hope you continue to read.
I used to be the complete opposite years back, what others would call a transphobe, till I actually looked into it myself.
So a piece of advice in all its bluntness, look into the topic. Don't just assume it's stupid or woke, actually see for yourself, the different sides to the trans movement. It takes a lot of patience and open mindedness to understand your side and the other side. And the conclusion you come to can break, make or dull your relationship with your child.
Try not to judge, try not to insult and just learn and understand enough, then decide if you're for it or not.
Another factor is your religion, because God knows how hard it was to do so with my belief in tow, but I did it anyways, it was a journey for sure but I came to learn a number of things, especially when I realized the Bible never really directly addressed the existence of trans people, even if it said man can't dress like woman or vice versa. So it just dumbed down to me not liking it or feeling uncomfortable with it, and I looked into why.
Look at the past and think of times that the signs may have come up and you didn't know or acknowledge it. And if you decide to support ur kid, remember the version of them that you knew may be lost, but you get to learn the true/new side of your child.
You could also ask on lgbtq forums or forums for parents with trans kids if you have questions (a bit of warning, depending on how you word the question you might upset some ppl because they do tend to get a lot of ill hearted people on their forums but there'll be nice people who would try to give you answers).
Anyways, wish you all the best. I'm sorry you have to struggle with this and are lost on how to approach it. Hope you decide to look into things and come to the conclusion that sits with you.
I also do wish all the best for your kid, holidays always ends up being the roughest time for trans kids. Your kids probably in a place that feels safe or somewhere outside home because the home may now feel unsafe, due to whatever response you gave, that's my guess, because that was the case for a few queer friends I've had. Hopeful things work out for you both.
Long story short, the answer is for you to try to understand where your kid's coming from, and do your research and speak to people, including those from the same community you find stupid, because thing I've learnt is that communities tend to be very different from how they're represented online or in other communities.
It may not solve things, it's build a bridge to connection and support, it may worsen it, but it's all up to you to make that choice.
Thank you for reply and your input. We are not religious, and we saw no signs from our son. He had a girlfriend before his transition and is still with her. What this mom has to say completely resonates with me. I’m not transphobic. This hurts on levels that only a parent who is going through this can understand.
no@@baristaz8834 no. I'm not playing pretend or make believe with people that are proven to have three or more co morbitites along with this whole thing. It's not real! It's fantasy and playing pretend. It has nothing to do with being a true self. The truest you can be is just you, the way you are naturally. I refuse to lie to people to make them supposedly feel better. I refuse to lie about this. It's not true. It's all lies. This is my line in the sand and I am not crossing it.
@@baristaz8834it’s hard to talk to a community that bullies people into believing their false ideology.
I’ve listened to so many detransitioners. My prayer is for truth, healing and restoration for your son.
I understand her mistrust of professionals because of the political power that is over their industry in any controversial issue making it not scientific but political in the choice of service available to help.
True feminists don’t hate mothers nor women who want to become a mother.
I also thought that was a weird comment
I wish I could enlearn everything about this disturbing and dreary topic.
Tiktock is a problem....60 to 450. I'm crying, Thanks Kallie
bruh. tik tok doesn't make people trans. i would know because i don't touch tik tok and oh my gosh look i'm still trans
then reddit made you trans @@AllieMatthews-c6t
Parent relief: The parent would stand with inner relief that their son or daughter has solved their inner self unbalance . If the parent could sigh a relief for their child.....then both would know in their core of their being..that their child has found their solution. If not.....then yes the parent would doubt that doing window dressing on the outside has fixed their child on the inside. To not have children by removing testicle or ovaries......then years later to know that this decision was not in their best interest...must be so devastating. ( to deny sexual satisfaction is mind blowing) sad life situation for so many.
This person who transitioned in the video wasn't a child. Now you are attacking an adult's right to tubal ligation and vasectomy as those probably can't be reversed if kids are later desired. There's also a high association of cancer with women who have many babies. Why not do a video on that?
Sexual stimulation after castration and/or male hormone suppression feels less sexual and sensual. I forgot how much sensation I lost in my teen years due to musculature around the main male sex organ. Once testosterone was out of the equation for a few months, the feeling came back like when I was younger at the onset of puberty which was fine by me.
Furthermore I'll challenge you and say that there is no such thing as sexual satisfaction from a female perspective. After the man did a little gender mutilation of her on their wedding night, I wonder how a woman ever finds intercourse pleasurable. This has been addressed with several psychologists with a resolution that I should refrain if I have that much hesitancy and maybe not bring a child into the world. Half of the psychologists refused to address it and most were female and I hit a chord by going for it. What do you want me to say. This is part of the human condition like death. If someone feels the pastor is lying about a pie-in-the-sky heaven, is he better off accepting the noble lie or embracing what he sees as the truth. I learned a lot over that little flap of skin because a woman's design is about as crude as that of an ampule bottle and it's strong evidence against creationism at least in my eyes. Animals don't have a problem eating while another breed bleeds out; man doesn't have a problem pleasuring himself while his wife bleeds out. Sorry to be so crude but I don't have a real positive view of religion, creationism, manhood, and even women.
Love your list of podcasters. I am so glad people out there are on my wavelength, even when we have different points of agreement. Darkhorse helped keep us sane during the heyday of mandates, and their critical comments on the Trans conversation helped open my mind to the mistakes I was making in blindly seeing it as another "civil rights" issue. Heather and Bret helped wake me up enough to be ready for Gender a Wider Lens - a resource I now rely on and recommend widely. ❤
Kallie - you are amazing!!
Cut off all the money and see how long this continues.
There has to be more to this than peer pressure and access to material. Chemical affects too maybe.
If you call your old name, your "dead name," and, if I am your parent, then expect that I am also entitled to the adult decision that my adult-child is now metaphorically "dead" to me. You're are entitled to make adult choices but expect to accept the consequences of your adult choices. One of the first things you learn as an adult is that many adults will not like your choices, and you will no longer be in their "circle" of people. Finding that out serious adulting. If you can not live without others accepting you for who you are, if you need the validation of others for your choices, then you've got some serious growing up to do. Parents have rights, too. They don't have to continue to have you in their lives after age 18 if they don't agree with your choices.
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0:43:47 by “doesn’t matter”, do you mean that parents should deal with trans-identifying male children in the same way regardless of whether they came to their trans identity by AGP/ROGD vs. some other way?
Read the title...💔😭
"read" (reed) the title, or "read" (red) the title?
@@miroirs-jumeaux exactly what I was wondering! 🤔
@@miroirs-jumeaux .. Wait.. aren't "read" as in past tense and "read" as in the about to the same? Is The Kitteh confused? Been out of Kittygarten too long?
One of the best and most meaningful talks ever ! Kudos to Kalli and BB ❤
@@michelebence4308 ...♥
Thanks healthcare and school....Can the activists not see what they are doing????
Thats it.The medical proffessionals,drs ,therapists,teachers who are following orders of this idiology. When parents seek help they have no where to turn if those they turn to are following this idiolgy.We need to speak up as it barbaric and it destroys family ,social values and that is there game.The break down of family and society..
"All the people who know better are telling me I'm wrong! Clearly, they've just all been brainwashed!"
@@SolidSt8Dj many who "know better" are also in agreement with parents concerns. It is not an issue which has broad consensus amongst professionals.
Do parents play any role at all in their children’s identity issues? I don’t play the “blame game”, as I understand that we all exist in a very complex system, and it’s impossible to pinpoint where all of our troubles began, but it seems like parents of “ROGD” kids never even question their role in making their children who they are. Accountability is scary, and if we see ourselves, deep down, as impotent, then it may be currently impossible for us to take it. But the first step in empowerment is introspection and being willing to accept that we’ve messed up in some or many ways. That’s the only chance we have to grow.
@@SolidSt8Dj Yes they have, the ones that haven't been brainwashed, have been sacked for not toeing the line or they go along with it because they need the money!
You're wonderful Benjamin.
Damn this shit is so devastating
This hit home with me. It was like she was saying all the feelings and emotions I have been through the last year. This is a terrible club to be in and I have been in fight-or-flight mode the whole time. I believe our voices are finally being heard and I am hopeful for change to protect these young adults. Social media, including trans people (or any other self-diagnosis really) on reddit and youtube diagnosing themselves, has damaged this generation. Gender dysphoria should stay in the mental illness catagory. Then we, as parents, could at least talk about it without feeling attacked. Insurance and Medicaid needs to stop funding this to stop this madness. It is all about money. They don't care how these humans turn out. Who will our children call when 10 years from now when they are dealing with medical issues?? It will be mom and dad. Where will all of these activists be then? To them mom & dad shouldn't have a say but we should have to pick up all the pieces because that is love and our duty. It is infuriating.
I'm 13 years into hormones and castration and have no medical issues. Work that grift elsewhere and don't think about removing me from my medicine! You are going to legislators to bring the police to our door and our medicine cabinet. If this is how you solve your security issues, you deserve neither peace nor security because you've eliminated my freedom.
This is a comment also.
I think parents need as much support as their child in this situation, just in different ways.
One thing that stuck out to me was that she said "children are lost at this time and need guidance." To be lost implies that one knows where they are going, and children do not know on this topic at this stage. They are exploring. Framing their experience as something so frightening as 'lost' is felt by the child when you communicate this; "I worry that...", "Don't do that because...". A parent can be both a strong gaurdian and a teacher if they reframe this fear-based approach with "You're exploring, and I'm going to get to know as much of you as is developed and then teach you the skills of critical thinking, using your own current conundrums so you can take care of yourself as good as anyone." Empower them, instead of unloading your own feelings onto them. I know that many of us have been taught that this is what love is; these are the results. My empathy goes out to all experiencing this; I believe it's the culmination of a perfect storm of factors like generational traumas, schooling failures, and a lag in focus on mental health. Thank you for doing the work to put these resources out 🙏
This is good advice. However don't discount the extremely powerful influence of the school based sexual health programs which have been using source material provided for them by third party organizations, online content that has been algorythmically directed into spaces frequented by children and youths, and the wider cultural influences pushing a specific framing around this topic.
@Gingerblaze Thank you, and I agree. I believe the weak foundation that these parent/child relationships were built on allows these outside influences to have much more sway. Again, it comes down to the three factors I pointed out. I don't blame the parents necessarily; I think as a species we are on the precipice of a shift in consciousness: from mere survival to awareness. Each generation did the best they could with what they were aware of. Action ----> consequence. No judgement, just observation.
Gay is okay if you are truly attracted to the opposite sex... Transgender is an entirely different thing.
May I keep the cat?
Benjamin, your question about why these parents feel pain made me think that you must not be a parent. As a parent, I know I would be very upset if my child were to announce their gender transition.
My job as an interviewer is to map human experience by asking seemingly obvious questions.
How are we supposed find out about the guest's full experience without Ben asking the tough, though seemingly obvious, question 🤔. It's great that you are empathic enough to.imagine what they are going through, but there's nothing like hearing the full story from someone who is going through it 🤯
@@BenjaminABoyce Thanks for your response. I watch many of your interviews and I appreciate your skill as an interviewer and the kindness and nonjudgmental attitude shown to your guests. I think I expected a very different response from the parent interviewed and my question reflected that surprise.
@@ebert8756 you are correct. I think I was simply surprised at the response to that open ended question.
This isn’t directly related to this video, but does anyone know of a list of how many people Ben has interviewed that had physical surgeries before the age of 18?
I am trying to refute the claims that surgeries are not performed on people under 18. I know of at least two people interviewed that had surgeries under 18, but I have not been keeping track.
This interview does concern me somewhat. You look at those support groups for parents of estranged children and the parents just do not get it. Worried this toes that line. Which further compounds my lack of trust is the fact that she's going onto shows and throwing her child under the bus.
I'm sure having a trans child can be devastating and that maybe some or all of them aren't "actually trans", but this is just going behind her child's back. Much better when you have those shows where both mother and child come on or the parent is anonymous.
I have looked into this for years now. I once knew a trans woman but that another story. I know a young woman now a man and that’s a very sad story. Her mother was very supportive of her now him. And I just wonder how that will go when the man wakes up…he may not….and see what they have done to their body. Perhaps they will turn to their mother and say, why didn’t you try and stop me. So parents are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. I believe most of this is a social contagion and very much like a cult. The young people are being groomed online by trans actives. But it goes deeper than that. I have traced it to Cultural Marxism. And that again is another king story that took a lot of research to uncover. This mother is trying to mentally survive this ordeal and the way she is doing is to link up with others for support. You say she is throwing her child under the bus but her child has already made up their minds to move on. You could look at it another way. Her child has joined a dangerous cult who believes that self mutilation will be the path to redemption and this mother has tried to be supportive in the hope the child will see this is all false.
Ben would refuse that as he doesn't condone anyone who transitions and wouldn't have him on his show. It would be akin to Adolph Hitler showing a Jewish supporter.
@@deniserothwell6325 Did you trace this phenomenon to cultural Marxism or did Jordan Peterson?
Stop dancing around the truth. Just say the truth and stop being so afraid. They can do what they want..but you don't have to lie. Try it, see what happens.
So
If i accept my child , do these groups have something to offer me?
I still have worries, I need sopport too
It seems to me the groups are just fot the parents that won't accept the trans adult child the way they need us too.
She speaks like i am all about it, no,
Im just am all about my kid
But i am angry as hell at the medical community and the propaganda and the that HRT was given in this way to begin with.
But i love my child ,
my daughter unconditionally.
How would i belong or fit into their parent group?
So they "Absolutely Adore Him" like he's a Golden Calf...
But she can't bring herself to even remotely admit that worshipping your Child is what creates this.
And Ben's only push back is to take the side of the pro Trans people, and say "Could you be wrong?" Insinuating that her Son really is a girl. WTF?
Is this some kind of twisted Social Engineering?
That isn't what creates this. This is a shallow social fad that acts as an answer to social alienisation because it guarantees you the love-bombing of other cultists so long as you stay pure to the cult. It's a social contagion. 10 years ago, that might spoil your kid a little but it wouldn't make them mutilate their bodies.
Calm down.
I mean yes she (the daughter) could be trans. I understand the pain of losing the child you thought you knew, but thats assuming you truly knew your child. Many trans people hide their true selves and come up with an image or see their child as the facade they wore. So yes I can understand how it can be painful for the parents. Some people get to live and see their child's true self even after coming out and transitioning, and some don't.
But this child has said what she is, coming out of her shell.
Worshipping your child isn't what creates this, it happens naturally to those who are born that way. If not there wouldn't be abused or disowned trans kids out there.
These overprotected, coddled, little "angels" become little devils.
@@baristaz8834 Funny how He couldn't be a She (and stil isn't), without Medical intervention.
Kinda blows your whole story up.
Doesn't reality just suck?
Also, humans aren't Turtles with a Shell to hide in.
Who the hell are you attempting to gaslight anyway?
@@hime273 still a she and is, psychologically she is a woman.
some women can't have kids without medical intervention or at all, are they less than because of ut?
And learn the definition of gaslighting, because you're using it completely wrong just because you disagree with me, that sucks for you huh, that you just don't like the truth of a matter and decide to never learn? I pity you.
Cat is adorable ☺️
As a Muslim this is so tragic.
"Prodigal Son" - very poignant reference to how liberalism is founded on the Christian world outlook. I wonder how, say, a Muslim culture would respond to this.
See; Iran. They react very similarly but with an openly masculinely tyrannical iron fist. Forced transitions for any gender deviancy. "There are no gays in Iran."
Feminists will NOT hate you for saying you love being a mother. That kind of feminist-shaming and stereotyping is SO unhelpful in these extra anti-women times we are in. Check out Mumsnet in the UK where feminist mothers gather to, among other things, shed some much needed light and truth on the trans movement and how it is grievously harming children, gay people and women, not least mothers.
Benjamin, Do you know that when you are talking to yourself, we hear it?
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Im a mother
And i have a a daughter now.
I dont agree with this mother, i am not taking away how hard this was when it happened, but to not accept it , and dig your heals in is, for what?
I had to accept
what i can not change
I see the same person.
I am there for my adult child, however she needs ne.
And we don't have astrangment.
That is the most important thing to me.
Its to stay her mom, like my child always knew me to be, from the start, With either gender.
My love as deep as hers
And i take offese her saying my jouney is easier because i accept my daughter.
I do understand why you did what you did, but part of the reason is that they are hurting themselves. But if they are adults, what can you do? I am dealing with it myself, I felt that having my son disown me, and only hearing from others in the same belief system, was worse than telling him the truth. I still have a relationship with him, I just try to show him small inconsistencies in what he says, when I get an opportunity. I just don't think "affirmation" only should be presented to parents, it's manipulative. I understand your perspective though, I know it has definitely been hard for you too. I'm sorry for what we are all going through.
@@JenniferGirard-u7t thankyou , it's a very serious thing they are doing and for us to witness , health wise. But they believe living their authentic life is worth loosing 10 years. I'm 62
And believe me I don't want to loose any years.....
It's very difficult , when our perfect healthy child chooses this to change.
And they are still very much themselves,,as I see it, even if they think they are so different...now
(Less body hair)
I'm watching this interview now. Kallie exhibits a lot of common sense.
Cat in the dishwasher. Ew ew ew. Gross. There must be cat hair all over your dishes, in your food, etc. Ick. Unsanitary.
She lost me when she talked about faith. I suspect her religious attitudes repelled her son.
Maybe he left her faith tradition to join the modern faith tradition.
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Only one thought and happy 2024 every one, but could you imagine if the child is.. ..what is the word.....channeling, and the pecuniary system is using it....I just feel utterly guilt for only seeing...only saying for the alluded rock on the neck for those who escandalise those little....only for that
No shame in mentioning the millstone
Is only one thought, another point. Which part of this show triggers you? Mine is rhe capacity of Ben to be opened, listening and try to understand...and you
Your children are not your children.
They are sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you.
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. ~ Kahlil Gibran
sounds like you don't have children. Yes they are my children. I raised them, nobody else did.
"Life longing for itself" is effectively ended by gender affirming medical treatments.
@@sz4469 I have 3 children. The quote is not my words but seems appropriate.
Nonsense
@@larahamilton2273tell that to a community that forces their ideology on people and families then. it’s delusional, and parents have a right to worry. I wonder if parents used these same statement that you are using to the state or cos if hey would be okay with it.
Your child has a major medical issue and it is all about you and you wonder why things don't go well...........
Very rarely in life is trauma "all about" one person. But it takes a certain level of maturity to understand this. Gender ideology works hard to showcase gender dysphoria as an individual's trauma. For some reason no one else in the picture matters. But this is just another fiction that lives within identity politics.
@@cynthiabeaton451 Nice word salad.
The people with this disorder are the MOST narcissistic, toxic people to exist. They are literally addicted to themselves and they never stop obessing about themselves even after "transitioning".
He's interviewing HER on HER experiences, not her kid. What other perspective are you expecting?
@@sideeffect2 Not an issue of perspective, but actions. Her child has a major medical issue and her thought are all about how that impacts her. Most parents would be concerned over how their child is feeling.
At this time of the child/ parent relationship the person who needs the support and understanding and unconditional love is the child.
With this mom it is her her her. It is like she is dining out and someone at the next table starts to choke and is turning blue and everyone else is focused on that person and she gets mad that she is nto the center of attention.
I just realized I've stumbled into the wrong channel, i thought it was an atheist lgbtq advice call and it ended up being the complete opposite.
Although i do understand the grief and hurt parents may feel when they lose the image of their child that they thought they knew, i am still very against parents that view it as some sickness or phase or problem and treat their child like their sick because of it. I can never in my right mind support people who would disregard their childrens voice when they're telling you who they are and have been telling you for years.
Yes, let's all just agree with the brainwashed, and join their Cult of Fantasy.
You are obviously not a parent. Would you affirm someone you loved thinking they were fat ( when they are thin and anorexic) and support them starving themselves to a health breakdown just to be nice and go along with their mental health delusion?? No one is born in the wrong body. No one can change sex.
The job of the parent is not to affirm every "voice" your child adopts. It's to teach them and lead them, when necessary support them. But you don't support them in terrible decisions. You don't affirm drug addicticts. You don't buy your alcoholic kid their next bottle. You help them help themselves when they're ready.
There's a recent "scandal" (not sure if right word), where there have been people suddenly taking up trans identity when they have showed ZERO sign of it before. Instead, this group often have experienced sexual trauma or have other untreated mental health conditions, including autism and borderline disorder. They are trying to escape their trauma or are having trouble navigating social spheres and find that suddenly identifying as trans gives them a lot of affirmation and even prestige. So that group, yes, there's a lot of indication they are just "sick".
Related, there is the group who is actually homosexual but have internalized homophobia - to use the en vogue term - but basically they hope that the people they are attracted to will actually be attracted to them if they transition, as well as internalized messages about what men vs. women "should act like" - there is a good chunk of LGB folk who pick up on the mannerisms of the opposite sex, not just the attraction piece. So that group is being caught up in the medicalization when "their truth" is they are just gay or lesbian.
For the ones that showed it from age three or so, okay, but then you HAVE to look into what the physical transition does to their bodies (nothing good), and ask yourself if it would not be better to simply consider this person as a particularly feminine man or masculine woman. Tomboys have existed forever, and I personally think a guy wearing a dress shouldn't be any more strange than a girl in jeans. Why do you have to mess with their sexual organs at all? Yet that is what the trans movement calls for, and why I think it is a fad not unlike foot-binding, unhealthy to the extreme.
wisdom is being humble enough to accept guidance where it is given in good faith, and not to find everything out the hard way through years of suffering
it took me (too long) to figure this out, thank God I didn't castrate myself though, that's a big one you don't want to learn the hard way
why do you lot think there's something inherantly wrong with trans people? i'm MtF but that's not where my story as ahuman ends. i'm part of the national defense team, an accomplished helicopter mechanic and a loved daughter and partner in a genuinly healthy long term relationship. looking at me you wouldn't even know i'm trans. we trans folks can and do lead normal and accomplished lives, why do you treat it like a death senstance?
Well... that's the crux of it. If the young ppl who were "transitioning" seemed happy/content and were leading fulfilling lives with good relationships and skills to support themselves i doubt it'd be as much of an issue. As Kallie said, post transition her child is struggling with anorexia and other issues. Many of these kids/young adults are dysfunctional to begin with and transition may be a temporary escape - like drugs or alcohol - but being "trans" makes them worse, not better.
You couldn’t have done the same as a male?
@@pathacker4963 absolutly not, my cognitive function on T was abysmal and thanks to dysphoria i was rapidly becoming a shell of my self and going down bad paths. my chains of command in the military were worried sick about me, i was basically a liabilty. transition allowed me to be the truly best version of myself though and i couldn't be in a better place now. they genunily value how much better i am doing and i'm succeding well above my peers in leadership roles. sometimes transition really is the answer for some people and that's okay. :)