"I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’" -- Mark Hamill
I've been a fan of Star Wars for 23 years, and my favorite character is Luke Skywalker. This movie made Luke an angry coward, that's a total 360 of the character. Plus making him contemplate premeditated murder on his nephew is so off character.
Yup! Future generations including my kids will now know that Luke Skywalker (my favorite OT character) was an attempted child murderer! Thanks Disney! I'm done with SW, no way I'm going to spend my money to watch the stupis Han Solo movie.
I'm with u dude...if this was just a stand alone movie that didn't have 30+ years of lore and story building than it would be a great movie, but there is lore and previous characters that this movie just shit all over
REMEMBER return of the jedi when vader saves his son. And the whole moral was that "its never too late for a loved one to change."? Yeah this movie shits on all that
Normally Star Wars turns me into a little kid, but this is the only Star Wars movie that I watched and left the movie theater angry after watching it. This movie broke my heart, not b/c of Luke's horrible character in the movie, but b/c of how poorly written it was. I call it poorly written b/c of the numerous subplots that were dropped from the Force Awakens.
My fantasy football league uses a toilet seat for the last place trophy, team owner and name is engraved on it. I made a suggestion that this movie be written on it.
We should also point out that the movie takes place: -in empty space for 75% of the movie -one cool island -on a planet that screams Disney -on Snoke's ship -on Crait Space is fine as long as it's short and dynamic, it was just lame space chase though. Achto (or however it's spellt) was fine but ultimately not used very much at all for other things than gags. Rey had no training and the vision with the mirrors could've been cool if they didn't destroy the idea of Rey having some kind of force sensitive parents. Canto Bight was crap. Snoke's ship was cool but very brief. Crait looked awesome but what happened on it was a dissapointment. So basically, a Star Wars movie where the characters spend 75% of the time in space, full of gags, plotholes and weird, unrealistic directions for the characters.
Mushroomtipp Prequels have many practical sets, I'd advise you to watch "Everything Great about the Prequels" here on UA-cam. People just jumped on the hate bandwagon and started nitpicking about everything, resulting in Lucas being harassed by his own fans into selling Star Wars to the Evil Mouse Empire
What does REY need to be trained for?! Little miss Mary Sue cannot be defeated. She is more powerful then apparently anybody without any training. Beats Kylo, slightly out duels Luke, receives training from no one beat can defeat and Kill Praetorian guards. This OP bitch is broken.
Despite hamil doing a great job acting in this. I feel they destroyed Luke's character from the original trilogy...I was cool with him in the last part but his History with Kylo just screwed his character up
Gideon Pasillas no because when obi n yoda thought Vader was beyond redemption Luke did not...yet his young apprentice nephew who hasn't done anything yet was not? N he didnt even try to redeem Kylo...he just gave up hope...Luke skywalker the new hope...gave up hope super easy.
She is dead. The hype for her was unreal and stupid because the character had less screen time than in TFA! Just one of the many things in this movie that go on my nerves.
It would be really hard to being back phasma without pulling some absurd ex deus machina explanation ( at least with Boba Fett, you can go with the fact he's a clone, while the FO doesn't use clones)
Azurealms99 how is it about hope when the hope (Luke, Luke is literally the Hope of the galaxy of Star Wars, he's what this whole story is based on) is turned into a cowaring old hermit? You're on drugs dude.
Azurealms99 That's not hope you clown, that's NOTHING. You're reading into something that has been outlined since day one in Star Wars, the Jedi and Sith used to go looking for force sensitive children all the time on planets in the outer rim and core worlds, and most children are born force sensitive from beings who aren't, seeing as Jedi and Sith almost NEVER have children outside of a few cases like Anakin and Mundi and Vos and Marek. To sit here and say that's a sign of hope is just a common occurrence that all real Star Wars fans are fully aware of is beyond stupid. It doesn't signify hope. Luke was hope. Luke was the hope the galaxy NEEDED. And Disney ruined it.
Mark wieden I just feel the direction that Ryan Johnson took with this film was just the completely wrong direction as compared to what JJ Abrams had envisioned and already established. So at this point I feel like the answers that we got for some of our questions from the force awakens fell extremely flat while at the same time closing many doors regarding where they could take the Story for episode 9. So I feel like now we're kind of at a dead end and I honestly do not know how they could build hype for episode 9 based on where the story ended.
I agree. What is finns purpose now? If he had sacrificed himself for the resistance it would have made sense. I don't understand why Vader was redeemable but a young ben solo who hadn't really done anything yet wasn't in Luke's eyes. N the Finn rose casino stuff just killed the mood everytime they cut to it.
my crowd was so dead they only laughed at when luke wiped his shoulder and when yoga came i started clapping and no one else did and i was like o ok i guess were not clapping
I do agree the ending with that kid did look like a Target/Disney commercial & i cringed hard at seeing Leia using force powers 😖 it just looked weird to me
Damn. Now hearing your perspective gives me much more understanding on why folks hate the film. I went in with LOW expectations - to the point where I just didn't care anymore about Star Wars stuff because in the force awakens I already had a feeling that things were going to get really twisted since Han Solo got killed. Yeah I'm one of the viewers that really hated Han's death scene. That Killed it for me, so when viewing this one I just had no expectations at all and really enjoyed it because I didn't care so much about it. The only thing that had me tear up was exactly how you described Princess Leia force scene - THAT was a twist in a half. I was actually anticipating her death but it didn't happen, even though at the end when she saw Luke she mentioned it's the end, again with the meta. I completely didn't even notice the meta messages at all and I usually do catch that, but this time I just didn't care lol. It must have been because my mental state and focus was more on Carry Fisher, and feeling emotional that she passed away last year that this film was just a tearjerker for me because it is the LAST TIME both Hamill & Carrie will be together again. The whole Obi-wan hint in the confrontation with Kylo was an obvious one but also I did feel kinda cheated once after I thought over the whole Professor X projection event that luke did was the case. What I really wanted to see was Luke go nuts in a Force Fiesta fireworks against the AT-STs just to show how truly badass he is, but nope. Instead though that projection really cost him his life and felt like he plugged into the matrix lol and was just too confusing emotionally to accept that he "passed away" like that BUT I still enjoyed it as is. It's just too bad that this shit is what it is. I'm much more casual now with this stuff and not really so into it to even care to read the novels since Disney void the extended universe. Since you put it real clear here, it doesn't even matter anymore now - which is really sad for anything that has to do with Star Wars. Side note: That's why I told my buddy after I watched the film was that it is simply a very depressing trilogy. So the next one up will give you the death of Leia in CG, with a romantic ending with Kylo and Rey LOL xD OR!!! Leia's death is described in the intro text and we just get a Star Wars film that nobody cares anymore.
MarioLegend A said the same thing about Leia. It will probably just be mentioned in the opening crawl that Gen. Organza died and command has passed to ..so and so. Pathetic.
This is for what I love about Geekdom 101/world of Geekdom you know how to take the thoughts that I have in my head but don't know how to put the words and you put them into words for me you hit the nail on the head with everything you said about this movie and I feel the same exact way
Just left the theater and all I can say is that I am baffled. I have to watch it a second time to get a solid opinion. There were elements of the film that I liked. But there are a lot of elements that I hated, almost to the point that I feel like I have to watch TPM and AOTC to wash it out. As people were leaving the theater, a couple of folks said, "Man that was good!" However, the majority of people leaving all had the same expression on their face, Lips puckered out and eyebrows scrunched with a dead silence following them out of the room.
Jaden Asher im split infact im torn, because i agree with his snokes issue & leia.the harry potter casino scene was a bit of a joke too, felt like filler.
I am very curious to know what JJ Abrams feels about episode 8 and going forward with episode 9. Essentially Johnson took the foundation of the sequel trilogy that JJ had created and essentially turned it into something that it was never intended to be and made it worse. And it's pretty sad that the man that kicked off his whole new sequel Trilogy story is giving the reins to finish what he started (no pun intended) but with his original ideas completely thrown out the window. I couldn't agree more with keep them in his previous video review of the film that I felt this is very disrespectful of Disney. They let JJ create the story and create the franchise then they give too much creative control to Ryan Johnson and not only did he just change the outcome of the film that was probably different from JJ's vision of it but he closed who many doors with this direction. So essentially JJ Abrams is left in a very difficult spot to create episode 9. Cuz he's going to be now the one that's going to have to try and win back all of the true hardcore fans and try and rebuild that hype and anticipation for the next film. And at this point based on what Ryan Johnson did in this fill in this stupid ass decision that he's made, it has left JJ at with very limited options to go with story going forward. Sure they could always do something like the fact that the way he did with has caused episode 9 shock value and hype for that movie to completely go down the toilet.
I watched the movie twice, and still really dislike the movie, even more, the second time around, because the mistakes and missteps became really obvious! I wanted to like this movie so badly, I was praying that the second time I saw it I would fall in love with it, but the movie has severe flaws. Unfortunately, the movie had inconsistencies like Rey and Kylo not using the Force against the pretorian guards. All the OT characters were slandered to make Kylo more sympathetic. I can agree with Han and Leia being terrible parents but Luke becoming an attempted child murderer, is ridiculous. This is the same Luke that wanted to save a mass murder/ monster like Darth Vader. He would have never tried to kill an innocent kid who had done nothing wrong just because he sensed darkness, this is just poor screenplay. Plus the excess/ useless/ cringeworthy humor and Leia superman scene made it feel like a Marvel movie not SW. I absolutely loved Poe and Finn from TFA (they are actually my favorite characters in this trilogy) but I felt the Canto Bight story could have been done so much better, and not dragged the way it was. The way they hyped up Phasma, was completely unwarranted, because they could have explored the character more, and again dropped the ball. Poe being reckless and getting away with so many resistance members' deaths with just a slap and demotion, was a light punishment, and then he leads mutiny, which is completely forgiven by the end of the movie. There are so many more things that were mishandled or wrong that I could mention but it would take up too much time. Thank god JJ is directing the next movie!
Mark doesn't want to be douche but you can see that it hit him hard speaking all the harsh words anyways lol... He's gonna appear as a force ghost in Episode 9 (pretty sure of that) so I guess if he doesn't get over the direction for Luke after that then he's gonna start talking few years after more openly.
Wow everything you said is what I felt with force awakens. I knew shit wouldn't get answered. The master plan is there is no plan it's just fuck you cause by the time you've seen this SHIT we already have your cash in our front pocket ha fooled you
So they made a stupid movie that rips off Empire Strikes Back with Rebel soldiers so stupid they lucked the ground and also licked crystal fox fecal matter too. Yuck
At this point I feel like no one will be happy with any new star wars movie. If there is any flaws, the blame will be pointed to Disney. If they try to make it similar to the originals, it will be blamed for being a copy. If they try to change things up, the fan boys will think the movie is disrespecting what Star Wars is. In a way I feel lucky that I didn't watch Star Wars for the first time till recently, I feel like it's the nostalgia that makes some Star Wars fans want future movies a certain way and that way only. But o well, everyone has their own opinions. Although I found this movie to be a bit underwhelming at times and I was angry at Phasma getting thrown away like nothing, overall I really enjoyed it and I loved how unpredictable it was.
carrejua8 People hate this movie because it is filled with plot holes, PIS, and story breaking moments. It’s not that it’s not “Star Wars”. The movie completely shat on the Skywalker saga and made Luke look like a coward(That’s not Luke’s character at all). EU timeline Star Wars > Canon Timeline Star Wars
The Lewis Talk No you didn’t. Luke being painted as a coward is complete disrespect to his character and his story arc. I never said he couldn’t change.
Geekdom, thank you for telling it straight. Here's what I think personally: If you're looking for a great follow-up to The Force Awakens you won't find it here. If you're wanting to see some overly used deus ex machina, cheesy plot points, and director/writer decisions that will crap all over your childhood, then this is your movie! Oh, almost forgot, Princess Leia can not only survive the vacuum of space, but she can fly now. This film is absolute trash. Do not see it. The "critics" are full of it and probably bought off by Disney.
I'm a star wars fan that is easy to please. I watched the original trilogy first and I loved it. It made a fictional galaxy on the brink of civil war, and gave us interesting and beloved characters with relationships that started off poor but grew better as they continued on their paths. We had the hero luke, the comedic duo han and chewie, the strong leiah, and the intimidating darth Vader and his sorta side kick the badass boba fett. It started good and ended good. I loved the prequels as well. The world building was phenomenal and the characters were interesting, mainly the villains like maul and grievous. The story was great and the battle scenes even though the acting was wonky and some cgi was overdone. It explained the Senate, showed us different alien species and culture, and gave us the origins of different OT ideas. They expanded the lore so much and made star wars even more of a dream come true. This new trilogy however, is piss poor. Episode 7 was a fanboy's paradise and was a nostalgia film. It was scene by scene a reskin of episode 4 and it handled it's characters inconsistently as well as throwing in the usual Disney forced comedy that I hate. This one is an abomination. They ruined luke, made rey and even bigger Mary sue, reskined old imperial walkers to look new, killed off everyone before they could contribute to the plot and shoved it down our throats that kylo and rey are love and life. I hated this movie and the last so much mostly because it was unoriginal and uncreative. They are lazy in storytelling and this turns it off for me. At least the prequels were original and fun. They contributed something. I'm done with star wars
Will Gerow I agree. This new trilogy was a waste of time and they destroyed the well received expanded universe from the books and novels. If they even think of doing this to the old republic era, I'm going to be furious beyond belief. Good thing they are trying to stay away from any form of prequel and are only focusing on the original trilogy. This however still sucks for obvious reasons.
I had a feeling Disney would do something like this. The early signs where when the directors of the Han Salo movie were fired. Thats when I notice when said Disney was going to do the movie the way they want it.
it's like everyone that was a white male was evil or gungho or retarded ... and women and minorities just had huge hearts and were intelligent and strong...lol... this was a travesty ... Rey is just the most powerful person in the galaxy .. it was implied that she bested Luke in that sparring spat duel
WHY DO FANS HAVE SO MUCH EXPECTATIONS AND BELIEVE THAT THE MOVIE WILL TURN OUT JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY WANT IT. p.s. THE FORCE AWAKENS WAS WORSE THAN THE LAST JEDI
PLEASE I INVITE ALL TO READ THIS LONG COMMENT AS IT IS MY VERSION OF HOW THE ENDING SHOULD HAVE WENT. Thank you. I can't agree with you more Geekdom. This is exactly how I felt man. Leaving a Star Wars movie with an empty distraught feeling, disappointment. The worst feeling ever. I've never felt that before until seeing this movie. I cannot believe they wasted Luke Skywalker at the end of the movie he could have done some amazing things that we've never seen anyone do before. For instance my ending, Luke shows up in the flesh, he immediately shows his immense power in the Force by throwing the Walkers around, crushing them in the air. As Kylo approaches, he pulls out his Green Lightsaber to face him. Besting him in combat (after about 3 minutes of fighting) taking a limb, an entire leg. They have a Force off. But instead of Force Pushing each other until they both blow back, Luke immediately uses Force Lightning and starts frying Kylo Ren, as Hux calls in the final few ships they have to bombard them both and what's left of the Resistance, Luke looks at Leia, Chewbacca, Rey and the few Rebels left. Deciding not to kill Kylo, Luke says to Kylo "you still have a lot to learn kid". They all escape in the Falcon leaving Kylo beaten, broken, distraught. One of the final scenes is Luke handing Rey a bag, she empties the contents out onto a table to see the components to build a new lightsaber. Luke says something witty "THIS is your final test, but we may have to make a special pit stop for you to complete it and pass" (obviously referring to gathering a kyber crystal). She gives him a snarky look. She says back to her "what do you think they come off an assembly line somewhere?!!" They both Smile as she starts tinkering Luke and braces Leia and Chewbacca, finally meeting the others. Then instead of ending with the heroes, The last scene has Hux with Kylo Ren being taken to a medical station to receive a cybernetic leg. Hux says that he has a hologram call, Kylo says that he does not care who it is. We see Hux smile and smirk as he puts the call through anyway. A huge hologram of Snoke appears in front of Kylo Ren, he's completely intact, not a scratch. Kylo is immediately very shocked and overwhelmed, completely scared, medical equipment starts to shake and rattle as Snoke says "your training is complete, but remember we are not Sith. The Apprentice does not kill The Master..." Kylo has a look of fear, anger, terror, and confusion. (Implying that Snoke had/has clones or that he's able to jump to a different body, meaning he was never there in the first place, not the real Snoke) that's the finale/ending that I wish we got!!! The little boy using the Force, seeing the Rebel insignia, the whole Disney moment, could have been shown when we originally see him during the Finn and Rose escapade...
Steppenwolf had more character development than Snoke. I like the defenders saying "oh, shut up. There's still another movie. We will get the answers then." Like they are going to kill Snoke in movie two and then take time in movie three to tell you about his backstory? Come on lol
It's an okay movie. As for being a great Star Wars movie it is far from it. RJ is shit and should not be allowed to touch a Star Wars movie again. You know there is a problem when random people on the internet can come up with a better narrative/storyline before the movie is even released. The whole Snoke thing and Reys parents was probably done that way because those working on it literally had no good ideas on what to do with it.
I took my mom to see this, she's the one who got me into Star Wars. She was a kid when the original trilogy came out. The way they wrote Luke's character in this movie made my mom cry dude. That's how I knew I wasn't wrong about how I felt when I saw it on my own before taking her to see it. She's as passionate about Star Wars as I am about muscle cars and Naruto, but she hates the movie.
No i noticed it too. It was more ham fisted than the sjw crap unbelievably. And it was incredibly none intelligent. That theme is completely pointless in light of the fact that the force awaken was well recieved by the majority. In other words people had already let go of the old so why da fuq does that message need an entire movie devoted to it.
I didn’t see the force awakens and I won’t see this movie. I knew Disney would destroy the franchise, I’m sticking with the old EU continuity thank you :)
....... This movie fucking sucked. I really didn't enjoy anything beside Luke and they kill him off but keep Leah alive? Since when can Jedis survive in space even for a short period? I'm guessing by the end of 9 Rey will be the ultimate Mary Sue I mean Jedi master. You know she trained for a day in a half she'll be able to fly breath in space time travel and blow up planets by queefing on them
Dude you literally said everything i said walking out of the theater and felt exactly how i felt. Love you're DBZ reviews and starwars reviews, spot on man
*#NotMyStarWars* *Jokes aside this movie was so disrespectful to Star Wars fans but i fell it's not Disney fault it's Ryan Johnson fault* *He doesn't know what Star Wars is really about he destroy Luke Skywalker and he made so fucking many twists and didn't answer a single question*
Okay Luke NOT actually being on the rebel planet at the end of the movie and all being some holographic projection while Luke was actually still on the island... THAT bugged me because at first I actually believed that Luke was there and actually doing OP Grandmaster Luke shit shrugging off being actually hit with dozens of laser blasts, taking a lightsaber to the chest like a boss, etc. i thought he actually had these ridiculous OP powers and here it was just him meditating back on the hidden planet and projecting a hologram. I haven’t read any EU material but I HAVE read ABOUT “Grand Master” Luke and at his peak he was ridiculously god-like. Thought they were doing that here but it felt like a bait ‘n switch.
Maybe Disney bought off the critics to say great things about the Movie so more people will come see it, that way they can make a Fortune off this awful movie. They can then say "oh the movie must have been great because we made a lot of money, so lets keep going". Just like what Mark Hamill has been trying to worn us about. In this way Disney has now separated the greatest movie fan base easily. Their making us fight one another! Instead of facing the real problem, that Mouse! We as Star Wars fans need to be together on this.
Hey geekdom, snoke did say he knew what Kylo was thinking of... so what if he let Kylo “kill” him. It makes him believe hat snoke is dead, but snoke will come back to life since he is a dark entity.
"were they going to bust out the Hutts or something" FUCKIN AWESOME and you had it right when you said the fight with the Praetorian Guards you said Luke but you meant to say Kylo, yeah it should have been Luke in a bunch of badass lightsaber scenes or at least a few, I mean shit where was this lightsaber battle between him and the Knights of Ren where he demolishes them using the Force and his Green Lightsaber. While Rey fights Kylo all on Ach'to. Making Star Wars pretty much reassured us this fight was filmed in Ireland. There were multiple local Witnesses and I've heard that they're at a loss for words because some of the people from Making Star Wars were there to witness this scene being filmed. Using extensive wire work, all outside on Skellig Michael Island, with Mark Hamill, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, and multiple black masked, black uniformed adversaries with melee weapons attacking Mark Hamill... Getting tossed to the side, thrown in the air, sliced in half etc etc etc. I mean was that filmed and just thrown out completely?!! I know Rian Johnson said we're getting multiple lengthy deleted scenes on the Blu-ray. It's confirmed. I highly doubt that's one of them cuz it just wouldn't fit into the story, but where the hell was it!?! Is that something else that they just retconned even though they brushed upon the Knights of Ren possibly being some of the Jedi students that left with Kylo Ren. If it was filmed and then scrapped it's just another missed and wasted opportunity. Thrown out the Fuckin door, like so many other things in this movie.
Not the best Star Wars movie but definitely not the worst. I was left mixed after watching it but the more I analyzed it I am glad they are pushing the series in a new direction and giving way to a new order of Jedi and Sith so the story remains original. I understand the criticisms but in my opinion this is still a really good Star Wars film.
I’m all for a new direction but these new characters just suck, and have no meaningful character development. Too many interacting character narratives with no time to flesh them out. It’s just boring overall. Well Kyle Ren has potential. I just hope he becomes more focused and sharp as a dark side user in the next movie, or maybe he’ll adopt a grey alignment. The movie was entertaining at best, just needs to be refocused and to ACTUALLY develop these characters and the lore a bit more
I wonder if he will try to correct what the director did in this film. Perhaps have Luke come back as a force ghost and behave like his old self or maybe he will come to life some how. They could do something were you find out Snoke is really not dead and it was a clone or something and he was trying to motivate Kylo ren.
How bout the pro feminist shit with Poe always being wrong and the women always being right, and then when Poe was actually right they all wait for Leia to say so
Perfect review. You touched on every that was bothering me and this was spot on from the jump. Always love a no b.s. approach and review from Geekdom101
Perspective: Luke's sendoff MIRRORS Obi-wan and Yoda - Obiwan fails as a Master Jedi, gives up on Anikin, became a hermit, learns more about the force, teaches another apprentice, sacrifices himself, becomes force ghost. Yoda fails as a Master Jedi, gives up on the Jedi Order, became a hermit, learns more about the force, teaches another apprentice, becomes a force ghost. LUKE fails as a Master Jedi, gives up on Ben Solo and the Resistance, became a hermit, learns more about the force, teaches another apprentice, sacrifices himself, becomes force ghost. --- LUKE didn't really die he became more powerful and ONE with the Force. He will be back in Episode IX.
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Midnight showing, someone tried to start an ovation in my theater....only 2 people were clapping... That should tell you something when it's a Star Wars Midnight showing.
People went crazy when Luke walked out of the smoke and was doing some Ultra Instinct shit then when he died and the credits rolled no one said shit they just got up and walked away noone clapped none did anything. I have been to every prequel the special editions and force awakens and after all those movies everyone fucking clapped on the credits not one clap that is a big problem.
I was lucky enough to get tickets to the first showing in my theater (later saw it again). It was jam-packed, and not a single person clapped at the end! This is the same theater that people went insane at the end of TFA! I think everyone was shell-shocked at how bad this movie was.
My perspective on Luke is that he was a glimmer of hope, before he knew the Jedi’s ideals were a large part in the creation of vador and empire. Plus he only thought of killing Kylo because he felt snokes corruption during Kylo’s training but his compassion stopped him to late. Also snoke could still be alive if he was just a dark side entity jumping from host to host.
I'm live responding to this video so here we go. 1. The ending of this movie with the little boy was a classic star wars ending, this point is nitpicky. 2. They had Rey use the force in the end to move the rocks because it's about HER advancement of her powers and seeing her utilize it so well, not Leia. 3. I think the progression of the lore makes sense, a meta narrative is a stretch at best. 4. To complain about phasma and to love Boba Fett is hypocritical. 5. The idea of the force belonging to the universe is a perfect narrative, it's reminiscent of what chi is, which is something I figured you of all people would appreciate. 6. The Asian character did suck, I'll agree with you there. 7. Yoda using the force to strike lightening is strange but there's no reason why the usage of the force can't grow and evolve over time. I mean force ghosts didn't even exist until Qui-gon. Why can't yoda utilize and advance force usage even after death? 8. After the ending with both sides being criopled can set up a truly desperate struggle as both sides struggle to finish the other side off. 9. Ah Luke. The ultimate poor argument against this film. Firstly, Luke is more than capable of doing what he did, he always had a struggle between light and dark, and if you're an EU guy, Luke actually turned to the dark side there. Also a whole lot of time that passed between Jedi and now, and a character can change over years, Luke isn't Superman, he's a flawed human. This messiah worship of Luke is silly and detrimental. The Force projection of Luke was a brilliant move and set up perfectly. I think Luke flying in and saving the day Han Solo on the Falcon style would've been the ultimate cheese. I understand this is your view and how you feel is how you feel, but these criticisms that you and many other people are sharing are just a bit whiny and nitpicky. Is the movie perfect? No not at all. But this whole narrative of it being a horrible disaster of a film just makes everyone sound like a bunch of crying children.
TheWickerman12 Have you read the books of star wars, the fact they were retconned as nothing and this movie kinda pissed on anything that was Star Wars. Luke joined both sides and saw both sides. The fact he takes after yoda and qui gon felt out of place.
They’re ruining this franchise for me. Now don’t get me wrong, Star Wars is my favorite universe to date and probably always will be, but these films were a fucking mistake. What the actual fuck were they thinking when they directed this damn movie? Has Rian Johnson never seen a Star Wars movie? One thing i noticed in the film that no one seems to be pointing out, is that the fucking general with the purple hair (idc to remember her name) fucking referred to god while the resistance was fleeing the heavy cruiser. I only saw the film once so don’t quote me on her exact words, but I remember her saying “by god”, and then something wishing for their safety before she killed herself. This was fucking acting that should have never even been placed in a Star Wars film. There’s no fucking god in starwars. It’s the force. Not god. They don’t believe in an all powerful god. That’s not starwars. I was expecting this movie to be dark as shit, explaining the Jedi’s mistakes, diving deeper into snokes past, and more cameos to Vader and palpatine. I wanted to learn more ab the nights of ren. Evidence earlier in the year pointed towards Kylo traveling to Vader’s castle with the knights of ren, observing his nature and learning more about what made Vader so powerful. And nothing. None of that shit. They never even talked ab the knights of ren. They had so many fucking opportunities in this movie that they never took advantage of and I hated it. Fuck Disney.
The mentor usually has to die in a classic myth. Kenobi dies, Yoda dies, Dumbledore dies. Luke dying is really same old same old and let’s the hero be the hero without help. Classic myth structure.
I Enjoy your content Geekdom keep up the good work...I am on the side of those who hates this movie. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from liking the movie but I can NOT stand this new Disney Star Wars millennial edition...too much rage to even properly articulate my thoughts on the nonsense..I'm 42 years old and I've loved Star Wars and Loved Luke Skywalker since 1980. I fucking Hated the end of this movie. Since 1983 I have waited for Luke to fully go "super saiyan" and all I got was some weak ass send off so that we can just focus on Disney's new characters Rey and co. Where the Hell was the power Luke has in EU. This ending for Luke should have happened 2 or 3 movies from now...
I agree with a lot of your points, dude. I finally broke down and went to see this movie over the weekend and I was completely underwhelmed by pretty much 95% of it. Every time it seemed like something awesome was going to happen, they completely dropped the ball. I probably won't waste my time going to see Episode 9 because I don't see how they could possibly do a course correction this late in the game.
I really hated the last scene and thought it was stupid, but after thinking about it for a while it seems to make a bit of sense. If you are in space you won't immediately die that's true. Lastly you brought up the rocks being moved, and I would combat that by saying Leia really didn't need much force to pull herself back in the ship because she was in space. The amount of force needed to get her in the ship would be next to nothing because she's weightless in space.
You’re right, it does seem like they reacted to the fans. For two years we’ve been hearing “ who is Rey’s parents?” They probably could not back it up so they just probably threw in kylo having a vision of Rey’s past saying “they sold you off for drinking money” I think jj Abrams should have directed the last Jedi and start where he left off.
Kylo killing Snoke was parallel to Vader killing the Emperor. That’s the comparison to make, not with Luke. Rey is the old Luke. She refuses to turn. “I’ll never join you!”
What took me out of that fight scene with the royal guard was how well Rey did against them. She has no formal fight training, the scene where Luke sees Rey practicing with the lightsaber but anyone woo fights knows practicing techniques and actually applying those in an actual fight especially in a life/ death situation is a different thing. I liked TFA better.
Hey, I’m a teenager and I grew up with the Clone Wars and the TV show. I love this movie for the characters and action. The best part of the movie is Kylo and Reys relationship and fight scene. I do understand some of the anger about the movie. With all it’s twist and turns. But I have trust in Disney to make ep 9 good and make a end to this trilogy that justifies these decisions.
I agree with you 100%. I was so exited for this movie and I left in sheer disbelief. The tone of the film was wrong, Disney have tried to give it a guardians of the Galaxy feel. They butchered characters and people are lapping it up saying it’s the better than Empire!
Dude! The prequels are on tv as I write this, a marathon of the prequels. Just turned to the channel right when the Darth Maul fight started. For U.S. fans it's on TNT.
Geekdom I think you should watch it again. I think everyone should, and pay attention with an unbiased opinion. It’s really easy to get frustrated with this film, but what I did, and what I think could be helpful for a lot of people, is to watch it again and try to enjoy it for the sake of enjoying that it is a movie. It helped me like the movie much more.
The 3 things I can think of that I didn't like was to much comedy throughout the 1st half, not enough screen time for Rey and Luke, and no explanation about who snoke is. Rey was using the force in this movie like she was master throughout the whole thing, but she was no match for snokes powers. I liked that whole throne room part
8:00 I have a credible theory for that. Leia cant move the rocks because she isnt that trained and strong in the force, requires concentration and effort and such. Her surviving space was a Life or Death, fight or flight survival mechanism. Plenty of cases recorded in the real world about people getting such adrenaline rushes allowing them to do things that they couldnt normally do. That, on top of the fact that it is also the Force taking care of her. Again, more survival reflexes than a show of power. And if that doesnt work for you, well, ok, but it's how I let myself sleep at night over it.
"I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’" -- Mark Hamill
"Rian, everything you have written for Luke Skywalker is wrong." - Mark Hamill
Jesus Aranda he really did hate what he did to his character tho, I mean who could do that to "the" luke Skywalker?
Snoke is like Frost and Palpatine is Freeza. Yeah Snoke had cool abilities and hype, but in reality he ain't shit.
Tatsu Boy accurate
Lord Popo yes it is pretty accurate XD
Pls no pecking order
Tatsu Boy their one difference though frost hype came from the fan base snoke came from the director
Deshondre Morant True.
Freeza you say? Perhaps this person might make a good apprentice since Vader turned out to be a jerk.
I've been a fan of Star Wars for 23 years, and my favorite character is Luke Skywalker. This movie made Luke an angry coward, that's a total 360 of the character. Plus making him contemplate premeditated murder on his nephew is so off character.
Yup! Future generations including my kids will now know that Luke Skywalker (my favorite OT character) was an attempted child murderer! Thanks Disney! I'm done with SW, no way I'm going to spend my money to watch the stupis Han Solo movie.
Prosthetics you mean 180 lol. If he made a 360 there would be no difference lol
Logical Stupidity a 720 then?
When I came out of the theater I collapsed on my knees and screamed Nooooooooo!!! Everyone started applauding me
Jon Murphy lmao that is funny.
Did you seriously do that?
Star wars episode IX: force ghosts
Given the reaction of many SW multi-generational fans, that may be an attractive story line. :)
Force Ghost Wars😂
You might’ve hit it on point...now ghosts can summon lightning like yoda...now we have obi-wAn Luke anakin and the triumphant return of qui-gonn
Spaceballs 2: The Last Jedi
Spaceballs 3: Return of The Force Ghost
SJW episode 9: attack of the feminist
I'm with u dude...if this was just a stand alone movie that didn't have 30+ years of lore and story building than it would be a great movie, but there is lore and previous characters that this movie just shit all over
REMEMBER return of the jedi when vader saves his son.
And the whole moral was that "its never too late for a loved one to change."?
Yeah this movie shits on all that
Normally Star Wars turns me into a little kid, but this is the only Star Wars movie that I watched and left the movie theater angry after watching it. This movie broke my heart, not b/c of Luke's horrible character in the movie, but b/c of how poorly written it was. I call it poorly written b/c of the numerous subplots that were dropped from the Force Awakens.
Kryptonian Saiyan lol
My fantasy football league uses a toilet seat for the last place trophy, team owner and name is engraved on it. I made a suggestion that this movie be written on it.
We should also point out that the movie takes place:
-in empty space for 75% of the movie
-one cool island
-on a planet that screams Disney
-on Snoke's ship
-on Crait
Space is fine as long as it's short and dynamic, it was just lame space chase though. Achto (or however it's spellt) was fine but ultimately not used very much at all for other things than gags. Rey had no training and the vision with the mirrors could've been cool if they didn't destroy the idea of Rey having some kind of force sensitive parents. Canto Bight was crap. Snoke's ship was cool but very brief. Crait looked awesome but what happened on it was a dissapointment. So basically, a Star Wars movie where the characters spend 75% of the time in space, full of gags, plotholes and weird, unrealistic directions for the characters.
The movie licked the dirt, literally.
George Lucas gets the last laugh. We complained about the prequels and now we get this. We deserve this movie it's our fault.
Be careful what you wish for...
startmirca That's my point we wished for something better than prequels and look what we got.
George had a great vision. He should have let other people write the dialog and the Prequels wouldn't be loved any less than the originals
Thorfinn I agree. Less CGI and more practical effects would have made the movie just as loved as OT
Mushroomtipp Prequels have many practical sets, I'd advise you to watch "Everything Great about the Prequels" here on UA-cam. People just jumped on the hate bandwagon and started nitpicking about everything, resulting in Lucas being harassed by his own fans into selling Star Wars to the Evil Mouse Empire
You should've called it "SPOILER RANT"
Meathead honestly
I liked the movie. My criticism is Rey should have trained more and NONE of our questions about snoke were answered. They just kill him.
What does REY need to be trained for?! Little miss Mary Sue cannot be defeated. She is more powerful then apparently anybody without any training. Beats Kylo, slightly out duels Luke, receives training from no one beat can defeat and Kill Praetorian guards. This OP bitch is broken.
Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher deserved much better movie.
This movie was disrespectful
Spyder it really was flagrant. The lore JJ was setting up got crapped on but at the same time I'm glad they're going in a different direction.
Jaden wait wat? George and Steven raped Indiana Jones, is it the Cristal Skull? Plz i need to know
I’ve never made a UA-cam comment in my god damn life, but you just articulated my every thought on this movie perfectly.
This was not Star Wars you are 100% on this one
JJEA L true didn't felt like Star Wars at all
It was an inferior remix of empire and ROTJ
100% agree. Glad I followed you on twitter. Love your first channel but after seeing how much we agree on this movie I'm subbing to this one too.
SwanyPlaysGames What is the other channel?
Tim Murphy the dragon ball geekdom
SwanyPlaysGames swanny u want dragon ball super?????
SwanyPlaysGames *watch
Despite hamil doing a great job acting in this. I feel they destroyed Luke's character from the original trilogy...I was cool with him in the last part but his History with Kylo just screwed his character up
Mark wieden why because he followed in the footsteps of yoda and obi wan? Lol
Gideon Pasillas no because when obi n yoda thought Vader was beyond redemption Luke did not...yet his young apprentice nephew who hasn't done anything yet was not? N he didnt even try to redeem Kylo...he just gave up hope...Luke skywalker the new hope...gave up hope super easy.
Mark wieden well he said in the movie he lost faith for a brief moment and when he came back to his senses it was to late.
Gideon Pasillas why was it too late. Why didn't he try anything after he climbed out of the rubble? Why did he decide to just go off n die?
Mark wieden because kylo was already gone as stated in the movie
Currently at work, but there is ALWAYS time for Geekdom.
Mighty Raccoon Lying about that literally does nothing for me so there's no point in doing it.
Had to bump ya up to 100 likes!
BNingen Z every lunch break foreal foreal
About the female Boba Fett, Phasma? We didn't see her body outside the fire. So according to movie-rules she's likely alive.
Jaden Asher nah she's pretty much dead. For no reason.
She is dead. The hype for her was unreal and stupid because the character had less screen time than in TFA! Just one of the many things in this movie that go on my nerves.
She's done man.
It would be really hard to being back phasma without pulling some absurd ex deus machina explanation ( at least with Boba Fett, you can go with the fact he's a clone, while the FO doesn't use clones)
Huge waste
The movie is missing it’s soul. It was Star Wars for the sake of being Star Wars but doesn’t FEEL like a real Star Wars movie.
Disagree, it has a very great message about hope, and that's what starwars is all about, hope
Nicholas Berardi feels more like Rogue 1.
Azurealms99 how is it about hope when the hope (Luke, Luke is literally the Hope of the galaxy of Star Wars, he's what this whole story is based on) is turned into a cowaring old hermit? You're on drugs dude.
gearzofwar123 Did you literally not watch the movie? Hope was literally outlined at the end of the movie with the kid with the rebellion ring
Azurealms99 That's not hope you clown, that's NOTHING. You're reading into something that has been outlined since day one in Star Wars, the Jedi and Sith used to go looking for force sensitive children all the time on planets in the outer rim and core worlds, and most children are born force sensitive from beings who aren't, seeing as Jedi and Sith almost NEVER have children outside of a few cases like Anakin and Mundi and Vos and Marek. To sit here and say that's a sign of hope is just a common occurrence that all real Star Wars fans are fully aware of is beyond stupid. It doesn't signify hope. Luke was hope. Luke was the hope the galaxy NEEDED. And Disney ruined it.
Critic reviews on rotten tomatoes is 93% and fan reviews are at 56%.
Meat 2099 48 percent more recently
Like 43% now lol
when they killed snoke that easily i almost left the cinema in the middle of the film... totally hated everything
It felt way too easy, I thought for sure he was gonna pull a cell and just regenerate or something
The more I analyze the film, the more I end up hating it. And this is coming from an 18 year Star Wars fan..
Anthony Militello I am having the same thing happening with myself
Mark wieden I just feel the direction that Ryan Johnson took with this film was just the completely wrong direction as compared to what JJ Abrams had envisioned and already established. So at this point I feel like the answers that we got for some of our questions from the force awakens fell extremely flat while at the same time closing many doors regarding where they could take the Story for episode 9. So I feel like now we're kind of at a dead end and I honestly do not know how they could build hype for episode 9 based on where the story ended.
I agree. What is finns purpose now? If he had sacrificed himself for the resistance it would have made sense. I don't understand why Vader was redeemable but a young ben solo who hadn't really done anything yet wasn't in Luke's eyes. N the Finn rose casino stuff just killed the mood everytime they cut to it.
Are you 18? Or have you been a fan for that long?
I'm 19 so i understand how you fell ....This IS NOT Star Wars at all
my crowd was so dead they only laughed at when luke wiped his shoulder and when yoga came i started clapping and no one else did and i was like o ok i guess were not clapping
Beeble76 I mean I dont like clapping in a middle of a movie but everyone was loud asf when I went to go watch it
My theater was super quiet at the end, and it was opening night! I think that people who watched the movie with me unanimously thought it was garbage.
I do agree the ending with that kid did look like a Target/Disney commercial & i cringed hard at seeing Leia using force powers 😖 it just looked weird to me
Yup it was a Target commercial and a Marvel movie (Leia superman and the cringeworthy humor) mashed into a "Star Wars" movie!
When Leia used the force i loved it??? theyve teased it for years its been in spin offs and comics and books
i was like thank god finally
This movie was a massive disappointment for me
U didn't even touch in the Jedi holy books and the sith cave wich were completly wasted
Honestly I’d pay $70 to unlock Snoke’s backstory and save Luke from suicide.
Damn.
Now hearing your perspective gives me much more understanding on why folks hate the film. I went in with LOW expectations - to the point where I just didn't care anymore about Star Wars stuff because in the force awakens I already had a feeling that things were going to get really twisted since Han Solo got killed. Yeah I'm one of the viewers that really hated Han's death scene. That Killed it for me, so when viewing this one I just had no expectations at all and really enjoyed it because I didn't care so much about it. The only thing that had me tear up was exactly how you described Princess Leia force scene - THAT was a twist in a half. I was actually anticipating her death but it didn't happen, even though at the end when she saw Luke she mentioned it's the end, again with the meta. I completely didn't even notice the meta messages at all and I usually do catch that, but this time I just didn't care lol. It must have been because my mental state and focus was more on Carry Fisher, and feeling emotional that she passed away last year that this film was just a tearjerker for me because it is the LAST TIME both Hamill & Carrie will be together again. The whole Obi-wan hint in the confrontation with Kylo was an obvious one but also I did feel kinda cheated once after I thought over the whole Professor X projection event that luke did was the case. What I really wanted to see was Luke go nuts in a Force Fiesta fireworks against the AT-STs just to show how truly badass he is, but nope. Instead though that projection really cost him his life and felt like he plugged into the matrix lol and was just too confusing emotionally to accept that he "passed away" like that BUT I still enjoyed it as is. It's just too bad that this shit is what it is. I'm much more casual now with this stuff and not really so into it to even care to read the novels since Disney void the extended universe. Since you put it real clear here, it doesn't even matter anymore now - which is really sad for anything that has to do with Star Wars.
Side note: That's why I told my buddy after I watched the film was that it is simply a very depressing trilogy. So the next one up will give you the death of Leia in CG, with a romantic ending with Kylo and Rey LOL xD OR!!! Leia's death is described in the intro text and we just get a Star Wars film that nobody cares anymore.
MarioLegend
A said the same thing about Leia. It will probably just be mentioned in the opening crawl that Gen. Organza died and command has passed to ..so and so. Pathetic.
This is for what I love about Geekdom 101/world of Geekdom you know how to take the thoughts that I have in my head but don't know how to put the words and you put them into words for me you hit the nail on the head with everything you said about this movie and I feel the same exact way
thanks so much!!!
I agree with everything you said geekdom. This movie felt like a train wreck
Just left the theater and all I can say is that I am baffled. I have to watch it a second time to get a solid opinion. There were elements of the film that I liked. But there are a lot of elements that I hated, almost to the point that I feel like I have to watch TPM and AOTC to wash it out. As people were leaving the theater, a couple of folks said, "Man that was good!" However, the majority of people leaving all had the same expression on their face, Lips puckered out and eyebrows scrunched with a dead silence following them out of the room.
Yeah, silent exit for my crowd too.
I understand your views. I personally really liked most of what I saw. But I can easily process why the Fandom is split about it.
Jaden Asher im split infact im torn, because i agree with his snokes issue & leia.the harry potter casino scene was a bit of a joke too, felt like filler.
VERY split!
that was a terrible movie. I didn't want to believe it, I was in denial for a few days too.
This felt a chintzy marvel movie rather than a Star Wars film.
I am very curious to know what JJ Abrams feels about episode 8 and going forward with episode 9. Essentially Johnson took the foundation of the sequel trilogy that JJ had created and essentially turned it into something that it was never intended to be and made it worse. And it's pretty sad that the man that kicked off his whole new sequel Trilogy story is giving the reins to finish what he started (no pun intended) but with his original ideas completely thrown out the window. I couldn't agree more with keep them in his previous video review of the film that I felt this is very disrespectful of Disney. They let JJ create the story and create the franchise then they give too much creative control to Ryan Johnson and not only did he just change the outcome of the film that was probably different from JJ's vision of it but he closed who many doors with this direction. So essentially JJ Abrams is left in a very difficult spot to create episode 9. Cuz he's going to be now the one that's going to have to try and win back all of the true hardcore fans and try and rebuild that hype and anticipation for the next film. And at this point based on what Ryan Johnson did in this fill in this stupid ass decision that he's made, it has left JJ at with very limited options to go with story going forward. Sure they could always do something like the fact that the way he did with has caused episode 9 shock value and hype for that movie to completely go down the toilet.
I fell asleep for 15 minutes in this movie. Take from that what you will.
we got EA'd again
Snoked.
I watched the movie twice, and still really dislike the movie, even more, the second time around, because the mistakes and missteps became really obvious! I wanted to like this movie so badly, I was praying that the second time I saw it I would fall in love with it, but the movie has severe flaws.
Unfortunately, the movie had inconsistencies like Rey and Kylo not using the Force against the pretorian guards. All the OT characters were slandered to make Kylo more sympathetic. I can agree with Han and Leia being terrible parents but Luke becoming an attempted child murderer, is ridiculous. This is the same Luke that wanted to save a mass murder/ monster like Darth Vader. He would have never tried to kill an innocent kid who had done nothing wrong just because he sensed darkness, this is just poor screenplay. Plus the excess/ useless/ cringeworthy humor and Leia superman scene made it feel like a Marvel movie not SW. I absolutely loved Poe and Finn from TFA (they are actually my favorite characters in this trilogy) but I felt the Canto Bight story could have been done so much better, and not dragged the way it was. The way they hyped up Phasma, was completely unwarranted, because they could have explored the character more, and again dropped the ball. Poe being reckless and getting away with so many resistance members' deaths with just a slap and demotion, was a light punishment, and then he leads mutiny, which is completely forgiven by the end of the movie. There are so many more things that were mishandled or wrong that I could mention but it would take up too much time. Thank god JJ is directing the next movie!
Hey bro, enjoying the second channel content. I really hated what they did with Luke at all. That was my main major issue.
This hole movie was a middle finger to every Star Wars movie before it
Agreed. This movie made me lose interest in the sequel. 3/10 💀
You should interview Mark Hamill.
duuuude, Mark Hamill HATED the script. You can see him shit all over in his non spoiler talk about it haha
Mark doesn't want to be douche but you can see that it hit him hard speaking all the harsh words anyways lol...
He's gonna appear as a force ghost in Episode 9 (pretty sure of that) so I guess if he doesn't get over the direction for Luke after that then he's gonna start talking few years after more openly.
Please
Bring back anakin force ghost please!!!
Wintheday25
I was hoping for an Anakin cameo in The Last Jedi.
I was waiting for it! There was so much hype over that and it never happend!
Wasn't that actor casted?
I love how teens think they are being edgy when they say they liked the prequels better
No! The prequels sucked!!
Wow everything you said is what I felt with force awakens. I knew shit wouldn't get answered. The master plan is there is no plan it's just fuck you cause by the time you've seen this SHIT we already have your cash in our front pocket ha fooled you
They compromised good story telling for shock and trying to be different from empire strikes back 😐😐😐😐
Yeah but everyone complained about the force awakens being really similar to a new hope so they kind of had to be different
So they made a stupid movie that rips off Empire Strikes Back with Rebel soldiers so stupid they lucked the ground and also licked crystal fox fecal matter too. Yuck
At this point I feel like no one will be happy with any new star wars movie. If there is any flaws, the blame will be pointed to Disney. If they try to make it similar to the originals, it will be blamed for being a copy. If they try to change things up, the fan boys will think the movie is disrespecting what Star Wars is. In a way I feel lucky that I didn't watch Star Wars for the first time till recently, I feel like it's the nostalgia that makes some Star Wars fans want future movies a certain way and that way only. But o well, everyone has their own opinions. Although I found this movie to be a bit underwhelming at times and I was angry at Phasma getting thrown away like nothing, overall I really enjoyed it and I loved how unpredictable it was.
Thats what happens when you bring back a franchise that has already concluded. Disney should have left well enough alone.
carrejua8 People hate this movie because it is filled with plot holes, PIS, and story breaking moments. It’s not that it’s not “Star Wars”. The movie completely shat on the Skywalker saga and made Luke look like a coward(That’s not Luke’s character at all).
EU timeline Star Wars > Canon Timeline Star Wars
The Lewis Talk You obviously didn’t read my comment.
The Lewis Talk No you didn’t. Luke being painted as a coward is complete disrespect to his character and his story arc. I never said he couldn’t change.
TFA despite being a rehash still loved by many and not even has hard split base like this movie.
Geekdom, thank you for telling it straight. Here's what I think personally: If you're looking for a great follow-up to The Force Awakens you won't find it here. If you're wanting to see some overly used deus ex machina, cheesy plot points, and director/writer decisions that will crap all over your childhood, then this is your movie! Oh, almost forgot, Princess Leia can not only survive the vacuum of space, but she can fly now. This film is absolute trash. Do not see it. The "critics" are full of it and probably bought off by Disney.
I'm a star wars fan that is easy to please. I watched the original trilogy first and I loved it. It made a fictional galaxy on the brink of civil war, and gave us interesting and beloved characters with relationships that started off poor but grew better as they continued on their paths. We had the hero luke, the comedic duo han and chewie, the strong leiah, and the intimidating darth Vader and his sorta side kick the badass boba fett. It started good and ended good. I loved the prequels as well. The world building was phenomenal and the characters were interesting, mainly the villains like maul and grievous. The story was great and the battle scenes even though the acting was wonky and some cgi was overdone. It explained the Senate, showed us different alien species and culture, and gave us the origins of different OT ideas. They expanded the lore so much and made star wars even more of a dream come true. This new trilogy however, is piss poor. Episode 7 was a fanboy's paradise and was a nostalgia film. It was scene by scene a reskin of episode 4 and it handled it's characters inconsistently as well as throwing in the usual Disney forced comedy that I hate. This one is an abomination. They ruined luke, made rey and even bigger Mary sue, reskined old imperial walkers to look new, killed off everyone before they could contribute to the plot and shoved it down our throats that kylo and rey are love and life. I hated this movie and the last so much mostly because it was unoriginal and uncreative. They are lazy in storytelling and this turns it off for me. At least the prequels were original and fun. They contributed something. I'm done with star wars
Damn I feel ya I’m not sure I’m done but I’m with you if you are it’s sad but we’ll nothing will take away the originals
Dre4Thought in not what? Care to explain. Are you saying I'm not a star wars fan because I don't meet your guidelines or I'm not done with star wars?
Alex Tapia let me rephrase this. I'm done with the new trilogy, not the originals or the prequels
I'm done with SW too! I'm not wasting my hard earned money on the shitty upcoming Han Solo movie. My biggest mistake was buying tickets for TLJ.
Will Gerow I agree. This new trilogy was a waste of time and they destroyed the well received expanded universe from the books and novels. If they even think of doing this to the old republic era, I'm going to be furious beyond belief. Good thing they are trying to stay away from any form of prequel and are only focusing on the original trilogy. This however still sucks for obvious reasons.
I had a feeling Disney would do something like this. The early signs where when the directors of the Han Salo movie were fired. Thats when I notice when said Disney was going to do the movie the way they want it.
it's like everyone that was a white male was evil or gungho or retarded ... and women and minorities just had huge hearts and were intelligent and strong...lol... this was a travesty ... Rey is just the most powerful person in the galaxy .. it was implied that she bested Luke in that sparring spat duel
WHY DO FANS HAVE SO MUCH EXPECTATIONS AND BELIEVE THAT THE MOVIE WILL TURN OUT JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY WANT IT.
p.s. THE FORCE AWAKENS WAS WORSE THAN THE LAST JEDI
Murtaza Rizvi I love them all but the kAst Jedi was definitely much better than the Force awakens. :) Ibagree
actually the last jedi is pretty decent. for TFA i was taping my foot to get it over whereas TLJ i was engaged the whole time.
Both TFA and TLJ sucks.
PLEASE I INVITE ALL TO READ THIS LONG COMMENT AS IT IS MY VERSION OF HOW THE ENDING SHOULD HAVE WENT. Thank you. I can't agree with you more Geekdom. This is exactly how I felt man. Leaving a Star Wars movie with an empty distraught feeling, disappointment. The worst feeling ever. I've never felt that before until seeing this movie. I cannot believe they wasted Luke Skywalker at the end of the movie he could have done some amazing things that we've never seen anyone do before. For instance my ending, Luke shows up in the flesh, he immediately shows his immense power in the Force by throwing the Walkers around, crushing them in the air. As Kylo approaches, he pulls out his Green Lightsaber to face him. Besting him in combat (after about 3 minutes of fighting) taking a limb, an entire leg. They have a Force off. But instead of Force Pushing each other until they both blow back, Luke immediately uses Force Lightning and starts frying Kylo Ren, as Hux calls in the final few ships they have to bombard them both and what's left of the Resistance, Luke looks at Leia, Chewbacca, Rey and the few Rebels left. Deciding not to kill Kylo, Luke says to Kylo "you still have a lot to learn kid". They all escape in the Falcon leaving Kylo beaten, broken, distraught. One of the final scenes is Luke handing Rey a bag, she empties the contents out onto a table to see the components to build a new lightsaber. Luke says something witty "THIS is your final test, but we may have to make a special pit stop for you to complete it and pass" (obviously referring to gathering a kyber crystal). She gives him a snarky look. She says back to her "what do you think they come off an assembly line somewhere?!!" They both Smile as she starts tinkering Luke and braces Leia and Chewbacca, finally meeting the others. Then instead of ending with the heroes, The last scene has Hux with Kylo Ren being taken to a medical station to receive a cybernetic leg. Hux says that he has a hologram call, Kylo says that he does not care who it is. We see Hux smile and smirk as he puts the call through anyway. A huge hologram of Snoke appears in front of Kylo Ren, he's completely intact, not a scratch. Kylo is immediately very shocked and overwhelmed, completely scared, medical equipment starts to shake and rattle as Snoke says "your training is complete, but remember we are not Sith. The Apprentice does not kill The Master..." Kylo has a look of fear, anger, terror, and confusion. (Implying that Snoke had/has clones or that he's able to jump to a different body, meaning he was never there in the first place, not the real Snoke) that's the finale/ending that I wish we got!!! The little boy using the Force, seeing the Rebel insignia, the whole Disney moment, could have been shown when we originally see him during the Finn and Rose escapade...
My question is
WHO THE FUCK WAS SNOKE
Steppenwolf had more character development than Snoke. I like the defenders saying "oh, shut up. There's still another movie. We will get the answers then." Like they are going to kill Snoke in movie two and then take time in movie three to tell you about his backstory? Come on lol
Watch the movie
LMAO Steppenwolf at least got to fight. Heck he probably copped a feel or two on Wonder Woman's ass once or twice.
It's an okay movie. As for being a great Star Wars movie it is far from it. RJ is shit and should not be allowed to touch a Star Wars movie again. You know there is a problem when random people on the internet can come up with a better narrative/storyline before the movie is even released. The whole Snoke thing and Reys parents was probably done that way because those working on it literally had no good ideas on what to do with it.
It's because JJ has no say on the direction of movie, so they have no idea what to go next since JJ isn't allowed to have a say on it.
Always killing it bro thank for the honesty I felt similar to you thank for the laughs lol”jimminy cricket lol”
I took my mom to see this, she's the one who got me into Star Wars. She was a kid when the original trilogy came out. The way they wrote Luke's character in this movie made my mom cry dude. That's how I knew I wasn't wrong about how I felt when I saw it on my own before taking her to see it. She's as passionate about Star Wars as I am about muscle cars and Naruto, but she hates the movie.
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I thought I was the only one that felt it was a subliminal message through out the movie....."let go of the old"
GP damn, good point :/
No i noticed it too. It was more ham fisted than the sjw crap unbelievably. And it was incredibly none intelligent. That theme is completely pointless in light of the fact that the force awaken was well recieved by the majority. In other words people had already let go of the old so why da fuq does that message need an entire movie devoted to it.
I didn’t see the force awakens and I won’t see this movie. I knew Disney would destroy the franchise, I’m sticking with the old EU continuity thank you :)
....... This movie fucking sucked. I really didn't enjoy anything beside Luke and they kill him off but keep Leah alive? Since when can Jedis survive in space even for a short period? I'm guessing by the end of 9 Rey will be the ultimate Mary Sue I mean Jedi master. You know she trained for a day in a half she'll be able to fly breath in space time travel and blow up planets by queefing on them
Dude you literally said everything i said walking out of the theater and felt exactly how i felt. Love you're DBZ reviews and starwars reviews, spot on man
*#NotMyStarWars*
*Jokes aside this movie was so disrespectful to Star Wars fans but i fell it's not Disney fault it's Ryan Johnson fault*
*He doesn't know what Star Wars is really about he destroy Luke Skywalker and he made so fucking many twists and didn't answer a single question*
The knights of Ren are the red armoured guards. Could that be true as well? That would be so disappointing!
eddicito I’d actually prefer that, but those guards are labeled as the Praetorian Guard in other materials.
Man geekdom101, the way you explain everything, that’s how I feel. I miss the old Star Wars saga
Okay Luke NOT actually being on the rebel planet at the end of the movie and all being some holographic projection while Luke was actually still on the island... THAT bugged me because at first I actually believed that Luke was there and actually doing OP Grandmaster Luke shit shrugging off being actually hit with dozens of laser blasts, taking a lightsaber to the chest like a boss, etc. i thought he actually had these ridiculous OP powers and here it was just him meditating back on the hidden planet and projecting a hologram. I haven’t read any EU material but I HAVE read ABOUT “Grand Master” Luke and at his peak he was ridiculously god-like. Thought they were doing that here but it felt like a bait ‘n switch.
I came in that movie to find out..who snoke is and who rays parents are..rhey didn't say shit
Maybe Disney bought off the critics to say great things about the Movie so more people will come see it, that way they can make a Fortune off this awful movie. They can then say "oh the movie must have been great because we made a lot of money, so lets keep going". Just like what Mark Hamill has been trying to worn us about. In this way Disney has now separated the greatest movie fan base easily. Their making us fight one another! Instead of facing the real problem, that Mouse! We as Star Wars fans need to be together on this.
Hey geekdom, snoke did say he knew what Kylo was thinking of... so what if he let Kylo “kill” him. It makes him believe hat snoke is dead, but snoke will come back to life since he is a dark entity.
"were they going to bust out the Hutts or something" FUCKIN AWESOME and you had it right when you said the fight with the Praetorian Guards you said Luke but you meant to say Kylo, yeah it should have been Luke in a bunch of badass lightsaber scenes or at least a few, I mean shit where was this lightsaber battle between him and the Knights of Ren where he demolishes them using the Force and his Green Lightsaber. While Rey fights Kylo all on Ach'to. Making Star Wars pretty much reassured us this fight was filmed in Ireland. There were multiple local Witnesses and I've heard that they're at a loss for words because some of the people from Making Star Wars were there to witness this scene being filmed. Using extensive wire work, all outside on Skellig Michael Island, with Mark Hamill, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, and multiple black masked, black uniformed adversaries with melee weapons attacking Mark Hamill... Getting tossed to the side, thrown in the air, sliced in half etc etc etc. I mean was that filmed and just thrown out completely?!! I know Rian Johnson said we're getting multiple lengthy deleted scenes on the Blu-ray. It's confirmed. I highly doubt that's one of them cuz it just wouldn't fit into the story, but where the hell was it!?! Is that something else that they just retconned even though they brushed upon the Knights of Ren possibly being some of the Jedi students that left with Kylo Ren. If it was filmed and then scrapped it's just another missed and wasted opportunity. Thrown out the Fuckin door, like so many other things in this movie.
Not the best Star Wars movie but definitely not the worst. I was left mixed after watching it but the more I analyzed it I am glad they are pushing the series in a new direction and giving way to a new order of Jedi and Sith so the story remains original. I understand the criticisms but in my opinion this is still a really good Star Wars film.
Nah man it is the worst Star Wars film by far. I can appreciate a new direction but the way they did it and the direction it’s going is horrible.
slick s IDK man the Phantom Menace was pretty trash lol.
I’m all for a new direction but these new characters just suck, and have no meaningful character development. Too many interacting character narratives with no time to flesh them out. It’s just boring overall. Well Kyle Ren has potential. I just hope he becomes more focused and sharp as a dark side user in the next movie, or maybe he’ll adopt a grey alignment. The movie was entertaining at best, just needs to be refocused and to ACTUALLY develop these characters and the lore a bit more
I'm kind if glad, now, that JJ is at the helm for IX. I hope he can bring it back around
It will be very hard bringing back this pile of shit. But if anyone can do it, JJ can.
TheUselessGeniusX i likes TFA anyways so I’m okay with JJ, where Rian messed up as was trying to create his own story he deviated from JJ Abrahms work
Like kylo ren said, let this pile of crap die, I’m very disappointed
I wonder if he will try to correct what the director did in this film. Perhaps have Luke come back as a force ghost and behave like his old self or maybe he will come to life some how. They could do something were you find out Snoke is really not dead and it was a clone or something and he was trying to motivate Kylo ren.
I’m not because he never finishes shit and if he does it’s gonna be trash
How bout the pro feminist shit with Poe always being wrong and the women always being right, and then when Poe was actually right they all wait for Leia to say so
DarkAcolyteNZ I like how that entire character Arc could have been avoided if holdo had just told him that they had a plan.
Perfect review. You touched on every that was bothering me and this was spot on from the jump. Always love a no b.s. approach and review from Geekdom101
I said the EXACT same thing about that final scene.
Upon further reflection I actually think the new trilogy is garbage.
Perspective: Luke's sendoff MIRRORS Obi-wan and Yoda - Obiwan fails as a Master Jedi, gives up on Anikin, became a hermit, learns more about the force, teaches another apprentice, sacrifices himself, becomes force ghost. Yoda fails as a Master Jedi, gives up on the Jedi Order, became a hermit, learns more about the force, teaches another apprentice, becomes a force ghost. LUKE fails as a Master Jedi, gives up on Ben Solo and the Resistance, became a hermit, learns more about the force, teaches another apprentice, sacrifices himself, becomes force ghost. --- LUKE didn't really die he became more powerful and ONE with the Force. He will be back in Episode IX.
Hey man love your first channel and love this review as well! totally agree with you and just wanted to say enjoy the vids and keep up the awesome work! You rock man!
Midnight showing, someone tried to start an ovation in my theater....only 2 people were clapping... That should tell you something when it's a Star Wars Midnight showing.
Lol same here. Couple people started clapping at the end, but everyone just started leaving.
So bad ruined Star Wars
People went crazy when Luke walked out of the smoke and was doing some Ultra Instinct shit then when he died and the credits rolled no one said shit they just got up and walked away noone clapped none did anything. I have been to every prequel the special editions and force awakens and after all those movies everyone fucking clapped on the credits not one clap that is a big problem.
I was lucky enough to get tickets to the first showing in my theater (later saw it again). It was jam-packed, and not a single person clapped at the end! This is the same theater that people went insane at the end of TFA! I think everyone was shell-shocked at how bad this movie was.
My perspective on Luke is that he was a glimmer of hope, before he knew the Jedi’s ideals were a large part in the creation of vador and empire. Plus he only thought of killing Kylo because he felt snokes corruption during Kylo’s training but his compassion stopped him to late. Also snoke could still be alive if he was just a dark side entity jumping from host to host.
I'm live responding to this video so here we go.
1. The ending of this movie with the little boy was a classic star wars ending, this point is nitpicky.
2. They had Rey use the force in the end to move the rocks because it's about HER advancement of her powers and seeing her utilize it so well, not Leia.
3. I think the progression of the lore makes sense, a meta narrative is a stretch at best.
4. To complain about phasma and to love Boba Fett is hypocritical.
5. The idea of the force belonging to the universe is a perfect narrative, it's reminiscent of what chi is, which is something I figured you of all people would appreciate.
6. The Asian character did suck, I'll agree with you there.
7. Yoda using the force to strike lightening is strange but there's no reason why the usage of the force can't grow and evolve over time. I mean force ghosts didn't even exist until Qui-gon. Why can't yoda utilize and advance force usage even after death?
8. After the ending with both sides being criopled can set up a truly desperate struggle as both sides struggle to finish the other side off.
9. Ah Luke. The ultimate poor argument against this film. Firstly, Luke is more than capable of doing what he did, he always had a struggle between light and dark, and if you're an EU guy, Luke actually turned to the dark side there. Also a whole lot of time that passed between Jedi and now, and a character can change over years, Luke isn't Superman, he's a flawed human. This messiah worship of Luke is silly and detrimental. The Force projection of Luke was a brilliant move and set up perfectly. I think Luke flying in and saving the day Han Solo on the Falcon style would've been the ultimate cheese.
I understand this is your view and how you feel is how you feel, but these criticisms that you and many other people are sharing are just a bit whiny and nitpicky. Is the movie perfect? No not at all. But this whole narrative of it being a horrible disaster of a film just makes everyone sound like a bunch of crying children.
TheWickerman12 Have you read the books of star wars, the fact they were retconned as nothing and this movie kinda pissed on anything that was Star Wars. Luke joined both sides and saw both sides. The fact he takes after yoda and qui gon felt out of place.
They’re ruining this franchise for me. Now don’t get me wrong, Star Wars is my favorite universe to date and probably always will be, but these films were a fucking mistake. What the actual fuck were they thinking when they directed this damn movie? Has Rian Johnson never seen a Star Wars movie? One thing i noticed in the film that no one seems to be pointing out, is that the fucking general with the purple hair (idc to remember her name) fucking referred to god while the resistance was fleeing the heavy cruiser. I only saw the film once so don’t quote me on her exact words, but I remember her saying “by god”, and then something wishing for their safety before she killed herself. This was fucking acting that should have never even been placed in a Star Wars film. There’s no fucking god in starwars. It’s the force. Not god. They don’t believe in an all powerful god. That’s not starwars. I was expecting this movie to be dark as shit, explaining the Jedi’s mistakes, diving deeper into snokes past, and more cameos to Vader and palpatine. I wanted to learn more ab the nights of ren. Evidence earlier in the year pointed towards Kylo traveling to Vader’s castle with the knights of ren, observing his nature and learning more about what made Vader so powerful. And nothing. None of that shit. They never even talked ab the knights of ren. They had so many fucking opportunities in this movie that they never took advantage of and I hated it. Fuck Disney.
“This ain’t your daddy’s Star Wars” 😂
The mentor usually has to die in a classic myth. Kenobi dies, Yoda dies, Dumbledore dies. Luke dying is really same old same old and let’s the hero be the hero without help. Classic myth structure.
I Enjoy your content Geekdom keep up the good work...I am on the side of those who hates this movie. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from liking the movie but I can NOT stand this new Disney Star Wars millennial edition...too much rage to even properly articulate my thoughts on the nonsense..I'm 42 years old and I've loved Star Wars and Loved Luke Skywalker since 1980. I fucking Hated the end of this movie. Since 1983 I have waited for Luke to fully go "super saiyan" and all I got was some weak ass send off so that we can just focus on Disney's new characters Rey and co. Where the Hell was the power Luke has in EU. This ending for Luke should have happened 2 or 3 movies from now...
I agree with a lot of your points, dude. I finally broke down and went to see this movie over the weekend and I was completely underwhelmed by pretty much 95% of it. Every time it seemed like something awesome was going to happen, they completely dropped the ball. I probably won't waste my time going to see Episode 9 because I don't see how they could possibly do a course correction this late in the game.
Anyone else notice that Snoke didnt have sith eyes
I really hated the last scene and thought it was stupid, but after thinking about it for a while it seems to make a bit of sense. If you are in space you won't immediately die that's true. Lastly you brought up the rocks being moved, and I would combat that by saying Leia really didn't need much force to pull herself back in the ship because she was in space. The amount of force needed to get her in the ship would be next to nothing because she's weightless in space.
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As usual, Geekdom101 telling the facts as they are. 👍🏻
You’re right, it does seem like they reacted to the fans. For two years we’ve been hearing “ who is Rey’s parents?” They probably could not back it up so they just probably threw in kylo having a vision of Rey’s past saying “they sold you off for drinking money”
I think jj Abrams should have directed the last Jedi and start where he left off.
Kylo killing Snoke was parallel to Vader killing the Emperor. That’s the comparison to make, not with Luke. Rey is the old Luke. She refuses to turn. “I’ll never join you!”
What took me out of that fight scene with the royal guard was how well Rey did against them. She has no formal fight training, the scene where Luke sees Rey practicing with the lightsaber but anyone woo fights knows practicing techniques and actually applying those in an actual fight especially in a life/ death situation is a different thing. I liked TFA better.
Hey, I’m a teenager and I grew up with the Clone Wars and the TV show. I love this movie for the characters and action. The best part of the movie is Kylo and Reys relationship and fight scene. I do understand some of the anger about the movie. With all it’s twist and turns. But I have trust in Disney to make ep 9 good and make a end to this trilogy that justifies these decisions.
I agree with you 100%. I was so exited for this movie and I left in sheer disbelief. The tone of the film was wrong, Disney have tried to give it a guardians of the Galaxy feel. They butchered characters and people are lapping it up saying it’s the better than Empire!
I feel the same way after seeing this movie I’m not even looking forward for episode 9
it just sucks man, the prequel trilogy was better.
I won't be surprised if this movie eventually persuades people to appreciate the prequels a bit more.
yes the prequels are both underrated and awsome
Episode 3 had an amazing opening one shot
Dude! The prequels are on tv as I write this, a marathon of the prequels. Just turned to the channel right when the Darth Maul fight started. For U.S. fans it's on TNT.
LMFAO - the salt is strong with you.
Geekdom I think you should watch it again. I think everyone should, and pay attention with an unbiased opinion. It’s really easy to get frustrated with this film, but what I did, and what I think could be helpful for a lot of people, is to watch it again and try to enjoy it for the sake of enjoying that it is a movie. It helped me like the movie much more.
@Geekdom. Curious. Do you script these type of videos or do you just say what comes into your head at the time?
The 3 things I can think of that I didn't like was to much comedy throughout the 1st half, not enough screen time for Rey and Luke, and no explanation about who snoke is.
Rey was using the force in this movie like she was master throughout the whole thing, but she was no match for snokes powers. I liked that whole throne room part
8:00 I have a credible theory for that. Leia cant move the rocks because she isnt that trained and strong in the force, requires concentration and effort and such. Her surviving space was a Life or Death, fight or flight survival mechanism. Plenty of cases recorded in the real world about people getting such adrenaline rushes allowing them to do things that they couldnt normally do. That, on top of the fact that it is also the Force taking care of her. Again, more survival reflexes than a show of power.
And if that doesnt work for you, well, ok, but it's how I let myself sleep at night over it.
Everyone here after watching Mandalorian season 2 finale?