The Curious Case of WarMECH/Death Machine and Final Fantasy

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  • Did you know that Warmech/Death Machine is in 17 Final Fantasy games in total? Today we'll break down some of WarMECH's appearances and also a strategy to use against it if you run into Death Machine in Final Fantasy 1!
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  • @TheOutslav
    @TheOutslav 16 днів тому +17

    Theory: in the Gameboy game, "WarMach" is not a misspelling of WarMech, but rather an abbreviation of War Machine.

  • @saltyphry9622
    @saltyphry9622 16 днів тому +36

    In the NES version WarMech is very easy to find with small bit of understanding how encounters actually work. Simply put they aren't random at all. If you power off the console, you will encounter WarMech as the 7th, 20th, 24th, 34th, 37th, 59th, 120th, 133rd, 138th, 190th, 192nd, and 211th battle.

    • @emailjwr
      @emailjwr 16 днів тому

      How tf are you supposed to turn off your console? He's about 10 maps away from the world map....

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +10

      Wow that’s really specific! I didn’t know they were so deterministic. Although, through playing the game 3 times in a row to make these videos, I can tell you too that the commands the enemies do in battle are also predetermined. If I had a way to show everyone, it's CRAZY. I will have to put your information to the test and see if it's true, I do have the game loaded up as we speak..

    • @elgatochurro
      @elgatochurro 16 днів тому +1

      I... What?

    • @EdmondDantes224
      @EdmondDantes224 16 днів тому +7

      @@elgatochurro I heard this explained during a speedrun. Computers can't really do true randomness (or at least the NES can't) but can only simulate it. Final Fantasy I rolls encounters based on various factors, including how long the console has been active.

    • @Dug88
      @Dug88 16 днів тому +5

      ​​​@@TheReturnersHideout That's because the random encounters in the nes FF1 aren't random. There's a counter that gets incremented after each encounter and there's a list of enemy groups for each area. When you trigger a random encounter it will be whatever enemy group that is currently at the position in the list indicated by the counter. You can use that to 'skip' an encounter group at a location on the border between two areas like the peninsula of power by moving off or onto the peninsula depending on what position of the list you're on because the counter is only reset when the console is powered off. This is also why the above poster can give such specific battle encounter numbers for warmech. The encounter rates for different enemies in nes FF1 are basically determined by how often an enemy group appears in an areas encounter list vs the total number of enemy groups on the list.

  • @johnrushman1586
    @johnrushman1586 14 днів тому +4

    In FFX-2, Rikku's final dress sphere as a machinist has her riding on the Warmech. She can control it like magitek armor.

  • @brekedekdang39
    @brekedekdang39 16 днів тому +13

    I didn't know Jack Black was into Final Fantasy.

    • @JB-mm5ff
      @JB-mm5ff 16 днів тому +1

      yeah the band based around ad&d doesn't give it away lol

  • @xristo702
    @xristo702 16 днів тому +11

    Me and my brother used to “hunt” warmechs but only at max level after collecting the masamune and warping out the last dungeon

  • @Typical.Anomaly
    @Typical.Anomaly 16 днів тому +9

    I always thought that the MagiTek Armor in FF3(VI) looked like WarMech.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +3

      You're right about that for sure. If only the Magitek armor had insta-kill abilities, it might just be true. Could the Empire in FFVI have the ability to create these mechs of war on par with the OG warmech?

  • @nogimalegna
    @nogimalegna 16 днів тому +11

    didnt really know about the stats for warmech and only went looking for it to complete the bestiary the other day. imagine my surprise when it launched that first nuke 🤯

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +3

      Been there, it’s quite the moment where you sit there looking at your dead team in silence wondering what just happened lol!

  • @PinochleSundae
    @PinochleSundae 16 днів тому +15

    The only non-boss in the game without a palette swap.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +5

      That's a solid point! I didn't realize that before! Thank you for that!

    • @elio7610
      @elio7610 16 днів тому +2

      It essentially is a boss, though.

    • @reloadpsi
      @reloadpsi 15 днів тому +3

      An honour not even given to two of the actual bosses in the game (Astos and Vampire.)

    • @PinochleSundae
      @PinochleSundae 15 днів тому

      @@reloadpsi Same with the Eye and Phantom

  • @JustinEvitable80
    @JustinEvitable80 16 днів тому +12

    I've ran into WarMech way more often than I should have. Usually it's when I'm on the way to Tiamat so I've heavily underpowered at the time. In the 30+ years I have owned this game T Rex is the only enemy I have never encountered. IronGol was another but I actually encountered one a few years ago. Luckily that was on the NES Classic, so I made a save state.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +2

      T Rex is ultra hard to find! I believe I've only fought one once, and luckily I got it recorded when I was going through this game for these videos I've made. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

    • @CeeJayThe13th
      @CeeJayThe13th 16 днів тому +1

      Nobody else says this but I'm convinced that different carts had different seeds and emulation smoothes those edges off.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      @CeeJayThe13th this reminds me of the personalized Mario 64 cart Creepy Pasta!

    • @CeeJayThe13th
      @CeeJayThe13th 16 днів тому

      @TheReturnersHideout I know! 😂
      But, I swear luck is different on cart vs emulation and either cart vs cart or console vs console.
      But way back in the old days, I swear you'd see stuff like you'd never encounter Warmech but your buddy always would. That's just an example but you get what I mean.

    • @PinochleSundae
      @PinochleSundae 16 днів тому +2

      @@JustinEvitable80 Probably the rarest two monsters in the game, with Oozes and Saurias close behind.

  • @Btobebone
    @Btobebone 14 днів тому +2

    when I was boy back in the 80's, final fantasy was one of the games that inspired me to read. I thought the game was too hard until I learned what equip meant, and then it was off to the races.
    until that bridge anyway. I got the war machine encounter on the last spot on the bridge and thought it was a fixed encounter. It went right down the row, one shooting my knight, my master, my white mage, and finally my black mage with it's basic physical attack.
    I reloaded and got to grinding, assuming I just wasn't strong enough to progress. after leveling up a few times, saving all of my spells and being ready for a defensive first couple rounds... I walked over the bridge without encountering war machine, absolutely steamrolled tiamat and continued my game, wondering what just happened.
    this also meant I was a kid telling crazy playground stories about the crazy super mech boss that killed me in final fantasy, but then disappeared never to be seen again.

  • @paulmann8570
    @paulmann8570 16 днів тому +8

    Ah yes, WarMech: an entity so powerful it no doubt surpassed Metal Gear.

  • @RadishDoctor
    @RadishDoctor 16 днів тому +4

    World of Final Fantasy contains Death Machine and War Machine as "cogna", machine-monsters, which are considered invaders from some alternate dimension rift. They also transfigure ("evolve" like pokemon) from the Magitek Armor line.

  • @robertfulk4808
    @robertfulk4808 16 днів тому +3

    In FFIV After Years from the Complete Collection, the big bad is yanking enemies not only out of time and the afterlife, it's also yanking foes out of dimensions including Gilgamesh. So that could actually be THE FF1 WarMech in that case.

  • @Zeithri
    @Zeithri 16 днів тому +5

    WarMech also showed up in the android game, _War of the Visions_ alongside the Warrior of Light.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      Thank you for the info, and for watching and commenting! Do you know of any others WarMech has appeared in??

  • @adamb89
    @adamb89 16 днів тому +6

    Jack Black's long lost cousin, Jack Slightly-Grey.
    (I'm right there with ya brother, my shit's grey too.)

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      I'm quickly becoming Jack Moderately Gray, I promise you lol

    • @adamb89
      @adamb89 16 днів тому +1

      @@TheReturnersHideout Oh my damn is it grey or gray? This might be the new Coke vs New Coke. Or maybe I'm full of something unmentionable.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      @ I think it depends on if you’re British or not! I personally don’t care either way so I think you’re good!

  • @bildo1977
    @bildo1977 15 днів тому +2

    Giant’s Gloves are in the NES original. They do cast SABR if you use them as an item in battle, but SABR doesn’t work on the NES version. 😢

  • @Weevil-Knievel1134
    @Weevil-Knievel1134 16 годин тому +1

    The only secret to running into him that I know of is to desperately not want to run into him 😅 works every time.

  • @NovaSaber
    @NovaSaber 15 днів тому +1

    The Death Machine in FFVI is a piloted mech used by the Empire, in other words presumably a type of Magitek Armor.
    And as another commenter already said, it's also the Magitek line in World of Final Fantasy.

  • @stevemanart
    @stevemanart 16 днів тому +9

    SaGa, at least up through SaGa III are Final Fantasy games. They recycle overworld tiles and sprites from the NES Final Fantasy games and were made by the FFII team. They're more Final Fantasy than even Seiken Densetsu Final Fantasy Gaiden. Hell, SaGa III was made by the same team as Final Fantasy Mystic Quest.

    • @justmeok2
      @justmeok2 16 днів тому

      Wow i had no idea! Gonna try them out

    • @Zeithri
      @Zeithri 16 днів тому +1

      Eh, they're about the same level of Final fantasy as Adventures. Never played the SaGa ones but Adventures is so very extremely charming it fits right in there with FF1's faery tale approach, just as Adventures.

    • @andreawelsh
      @andreawelsh 16 днів тому +1

      I'm pretty sure they were their own game series but when translated to English were renamed Final Fantasy Legends because of the name recognition. I don't consider them FF games as Saga has its own series

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      I am going through the entire series (yes Adventure and all the Legends and Mystic Quest as well) so I'm excited to see how they all link together. I look forward to making more stretchy conspiracy videos! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

    • @shytendeakatamanoir9740
      @shytendeakatamanoir9740 16 днів тому

      I've only recently found out that the Ghost from FFVI used a sprite from Romancing SaGa

  • @DDSForbbiden
    @DDSForbbiden 11 днів тому

    I love WarMech. It feels like a throwback to old D&D modules and adventures that incorporated science fiction elements into otherwise fantasy settings

  • @scotty110
    @scotty110 14 днів тому

    another thing to consider about War Mech's connection to the various games is it could possibly be related to Omega Weapon, as it too has also made appearances in several FF games and in FFXIV it is revealed to be a war machine from another world that has the ability to cross the rift between realities, and during your encounter with it, you get pitted against bosses from FF1, 5 and 6. In deeper FFXIV lore, an ancient civilization had found Omega in a damaged state and not only managed to repair it, but reverse engineer it to a degree, and then thousands of years later another empire finds an repurposes the technology as Magitek which helps explain the similarities between some of the machines and creatures.

  • @fightingthefaith
    @fightingthefaith 16 днів тому +2

    I always felt the Guardian boss (the mech guarding the Emperor and later Kefka's final fight) represented WarMech in Final Fantasy 6.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      You might be on to something there also - it DEFINITELY looks like an updated version of Warmech/Death Machine!!

    • @ForeignFarewell
      @ForeignFarewell 14 днів тому +1

      @@TheReturnersHideout It's also fully unkillable the first three times you meet it. Which is what makes it really line up, it's meant to be a full display of MagiTek power. You're supposed to feel hopeless and run.

  • @APackOfHungryGhosts
    @APackOfHungryGhosts 16 днів тому +5

    Final Fantasy Dissidia establishes that all the games are not the same time-line, but each game is it's own world in another dimension. Every time you summon a summon in any game, that summon is coming from the realm of Dissidia where Cosmos and Chaos are locked in eternal battle. That is how Bahamut, ifrit and Shiva, ect are summonable in every game. Many of the number titled FF games heroes' and villains are playable in Dissidia, having been pulled there by either Cosmos or Chaos, to fight it out Mortal Kombat style. The only exception to this is FF Tactics and FF 12 where they take place in the same world of Ivalice but a thousand years apart. Also special mention to FF7 because Cloud and Aeris/Aerith also appear in FF Tactics having been transported to Ivalice via a machine that snatched them out of the lifestream in their own dimension. Since Dissidia IS the FF1 world, it makes sense that Warmech could easily be transported, accidentally or purposefully, to the other game worlds.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      While I'm trying to avoid talking about Dissidia until I get there chronologically, this makes a lot of sense! I know when I get to those games, I'll have a LOT of videos to make! Thank you for watching and commenting!

    • @elgatochurro
      @elgatochurro 16 днів тому +1

      Very based on moorcocks original multiverse

    • @Omicron9999
      @Omicron9999 14 днів тому

      No, the summons coming from Dissidia-verse is fanon. That contradicts the lore about the Espers in FFVI, where they used to be humans who were turned into magical beings by the Warring Triad and escaped to their own world during the War of the Magi. IIRC, it's only Shinryu that transcends dimensions and is the same entity every time. The other summons have their own lore depending on the game and just happen to have the same name, powers and general appearance across multiple universes.

    • @doblodoblo510
      @doblodoblo510 12 днів тому

      @@Omicron9999isn't it the same Gilgamesh running around too most of the time?

  • @EdmondDantes224
    @EdmondDantes224 16 днів тому +4

    so what I'm hearing is that Death Machine is some serious Battletech.
    And also that all the people who say "Final Fantasy Legend isn't really Final Fantasy" were wrong all this time.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      Who knows - that's just a theory...
      But also, I think there is some real conspiracy merit to your last point. I can't wait to get to the Dissidia series to REALLY unleash a LOT of theories about this series! Thank you so much!

    • @EdmondDantes224
      @EdmondDantes224 16 днів тому +2

      @@TheReturnersHideout You're welcome.
      I guess we can say our Fantasy will never be Final.

    • @shytendeakatamanoir9740
      @shytendeakatamanoir9740 16 днів тому +1

      I like to say that FFII birthed the entire SaGa franchise.
      Though my personal experience with the franchise is still not that huge tbh

  • @curtisberard7831
    @curtisberard7831 8 днів тому

    Invthe original NES version the aforementioned "Giant's Gloves/Gsuntlrts" were named "Power Gloves/Gsuntlets"

  • @romusz
    @romusz 16 днів тому +3

    Ive always heard of this thing but never played the original. Is it a unique encounter, or can you kill it multiple times like any random encounter?

    • @lvitntnmrcls
      @lvitntnmrcls 16 днів тому +1

      You can kill it multiple times. But the encounter rate is low. Like 1/64 if I remember right

    • @mountaindewherbert
      @mountaindewherbert 16 днів тому +1

      ​@@lvitntnmrcls it's supposed to be 1/64 but there's no RNG so it will always be a specific encounter # every time you boot the console, and it's more like 1/15 as I recall. Though there's a big stretch where you won't see it.
      Later versions change it to 1% and I believe make it RNG so it's a lot harder to find.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      In the pixel remaster it can take HOURS to find Warmech!

    • @veghesther3204
      @veghesther3204 14 днів тому

      Like over 4 hours when hitting lv 99 FROM lv 50 under 4x exp I barely fought it even once on the GBA version It CAN drop the SAME Genji equipment that Gilgmesh does but only on that version of the PSP PORT of the GBA one.

  • @morrowlterraslove
    @morrowlterraslove 14 днів тому +1

    The WarMech also made a playable appearance in Romancing SaGa Reuniverse

  • @YellowMage
    @YellowMage 12 днів тому

    The thing that would most excite me about a fully intra-canon FF series is that Ricard and Kain could be true father and son;

  • @chrisnelson5131
    @chrisnelson5131 15 днів тому +1

    I wouldn't put a lot of thought into warmechs appearing across the series in the same way as, say, Bahamut does. They're machines built by various armies, and it would be odd for them not to exist in the different games and their settings that have magic and technology collide as they do. But each occurrence should be considered "a" warmech, never "the" warmech. Though I do love when they reference the design of the ones in the original.
    That said, the one that appears in the first game will always seem unique to me because it feels like it's gone completely rogue and could probably devastate the game's other bosses. In most cases, you'd assume someone is piloting it. Here, that seems unlikely. Either it's on autopilot, or you have the makings of a really creepy ghost story.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  14 днів тому +1

      I think overthinking about all these games is the fun part, for me at least! I’m excited to go through all the games chronologically and try to piece little things together and attempt to link them all!
      Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

  • @veghesther3204
    @veghesther3204 16 днів тому +1

    In the pixel remaster it almost NEVER shows up under 4x exp I could hit lv 99 from lv 50 and NOT encounter it even ONCE during those 4 + hours OF hitting lv 99 FROM lv 50.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      I'll have to try that out and see if I have any luck with it! Thank you for watching and commenting!

  • @WhoIsRyanFox
    @WhoIsRyanFox 16 днів тому

    Death Machine looks like a robotic dinosaur with machine guns for arms in Stranger of Paradise.

  • @Pensive_Scarlet
    @Pensive_Scarlet 15 днів тому +2

    It fled! D;

  • @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson
    @Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson 13 днів тому

    I remember taking a picture of my TV after encountering WarMech. Nintendo Power had some competition where people would mail in pics of WarMech. I never mailed my pic. Not even sure if it got developed.

  • @tskophield9230
    @tskophield9230 14 днів тому

    I just remembered the “Guardian” when playing FF6 as Leo in Thamasa seems like an immortal WarMech!

    • @tskophield9230
      @tskophield9230 14 днів тому

      Also, It has been forever since I’ve played this game, I forgot that you fight the “Guardian” again in Kefka’s tower. That kind of felt like fighting WarMech, the first time I fought it!

  • @dionelr
    @dionelr 16 днів тому +2

    The last maybe .. 3 times I've gone through FF1, I get the Warmech encounter. I'm always like, "it's only a 1/64 chance, anyways let's get Tiamat... Uh oh". 😮. I like the idea of some kind of timeline. I remember thinking to myself that the sky palace appears in a desert and with a town to the south east of it... Kinda like Figaro and South Figaro in FF6. Kinda makes you think. 🤔

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      The castle in the desert thing you might be onto something! I like that! Thank you so much!

  • @costby1105
    @costby1105 14 днів тому +1

    Final Fantasy as a whole does have a multiverse. IIRC Gilgamesh, Shinryu and Omega have all traveled to multiple worlds.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  14 днів тому

      I made a whole video about it maybe a year or 2 ago and I think it may be worth visiting but from the "The Void" standpoint where I focus more on the void. It's super interesting to me! Thank you for watching and commenting! I'm glad you're here!

    • @costby1105
      @costby1105 14 днів тому

      @@TheReturnersHideout I know Gilgamesh is almost always the same character, probably because he was one of Tetsuya Nomura's earliest character designs. likely a favorite character of his.

  • @HardPumpers
    @HardPumpers 16 днів тому +2

    You're putting WAY too much thought into this. It's simply a powerful enemy type. A precursor to maybe "optional super bosses" in later games.
    The Legends version and Ff 14 iteration are obviously tributes to the original enemy.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      I realize some people may not find all these conspiracies fun like I do, but putting too much thought into these games is what I do here. I've got other videos that are much more informational if you'd like to check those out. Thanks for watching and commenting!

    • @ShinryuMasaki
      @ShinryuMasaki 11 днів тому +1

      ​​​​@@TheReturnersHideout While it is fun, at one point someone from Sqeenix did say that Gilgamesh has the power to travel through the FF multiverse, and that each time he appears it's always the same guy originally from FF5.
      HOWEVER
      Naoki Yoshida often is asked about FF14's relation to the other FF games, and his answer is always the same:
      FF14 is its own thing, completely unrelated to the other FF games. If an enemy or character from the other games show up, it's just an homage to that game. It's not the enemy or character coming from that game, it's FF14's version of them.
      And yes that include Gilgamesh, he was once asked about him, and said he's not the one traveling from one FF world to the next, but FF14's version of him.
      It's most likely because FF14 already has it's own multiverse to deal with, so there's no need to complicate it further by adding the other games to it.
      As for FF14's Omega being able to see into other dimensions, it's most likely the other shards of FF14's world, that had their copies of enemies and characters of the other FF games, without actually being from the other games.
      Ivalice is also a good example, as the order for the games is FF12 -> FFTactics, while in FF14 the Ivalice story is in reverse, putting the Tactics stuff first and the FF12 ones after.

  • @1funkylionsfan913
    @1funkylionsfan913 16 днів тому

    Love the hunt for War mech , i stull remember the 1st time i ran into him . I was simply walking to thru the map and had no idea he was even there and i got wrecked . That battle made me level grind for hours then i went back to the bridge and he didn't even show up . I thought he was a guaranteed battle back then (i was 13) . Then a buddy of mine told me he had the Nintendo power and i realized the situation. Still that 1st encounter was not pleasant and i would eventually start farming him for the challenge of it

  • @josephpowers7155
    @josephpowers7155 16 днів тому

    Best working theory I got// FF1 involves time travel and Warmech is employed to help police the timelines// it's litterally a time traveling kill bot and inspiration for Terminator series [unless they came out first? In which case it would be one of the coolest Easter eggs pointing at Arnold]

  • @Nirakolov
    @Nirakolov 16 днів тому

    The only thing bad about WarMech is how stupid they made him look in Strangers of Paradise

  • @dansmith1661
    @dansmith1661 16 днів тому

    I just fought it in WOFF. It went down in a few hits. Completely devastated. One cutscene after, I am utterly destroyed by Shelke, who knifed me.

  • @wmichaelis
    @wmichaelis 11 днів тому

    Sure, FF6 has a Death Machine...but I always thought of the Guardian boss as the WarMech equivalent. It looks more the part, for sure, and the first time you encounter it, you can't even damage it.

  • @jasonbrooks62
    @jasonbrooks62 16 днів тому

    The Fiends from FF1 were many thousands of years old by the time the light warriors show up. It's feasible to say FF1 could be the origin world, for the first 5 games, set thousands of years apart. Everything from 6 onward abandoned the elemental crystals as embodiments of nature.

  • @romusz
    @romusz 16 днів тому +2

    I could see the WarMech being an advanced, pilot-less version of Magitek Armor. Maybe it was the only one of its kind, a prototype, before the world was destroyed and went back to a more medieval style of life. Did FF6 happen before other games?? HMMMMM

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      I had that same thought while I was making this. I don't know if there can be a true FF timeline with the existence of a Multiverse, but as we make our way chronologically through the series, I think we can connect all the puzzle pieces! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

  • @akxmedia0
    @akxmedia0 16 днів тому +1

    The FF Legend/Saga series ties more to Final Fantasy IIj with it's funky leveling up mechanics with weapons HP/MP etc.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      I'm covering the FF2 NES Prototype next and then FFLegend directly after so I'll take note of this as I make connected between them! Thank you so much!

  • @redwizardmatt
    @redwizardmatt 15 днів тому

    I tend to think of the FF universe as a multiverse with different connected worlds. Plus, they have space, so worlds can exist in the same universe within the larger multiverse, such as with FF7 and Jenova being a space alien. And Chrono Trigger and Lavos... Hypothetically. But as a multiverse, that means that things like Gilgamesh could travel to different worlds, and some of them may even be similar to one another.
    Also, we are learning about groups like the Lafenish who can world travel, so....

  • @ChazBnone
    @ChazBnone 15 днів тому +1

    Isn’t the span of Final Fantasy 1, 2000 years? Maybe the other final fantasy’s span through these years. Maybe that’s why War machine is in most games in some form or another?

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  15 днів тому +1

      That very well could be! Maybe when I finish going through all the games chronologically, I’ll piece together some through line for the entire series!

  • @Tofucsious
    @Tofucsious 15 днів тому +1

    i just recently beat the FF 1 WarMech for the first time like two days ago. lol.

  • @nychold
    @nychold 16 днів тому

    The sword on the very right has a single pixel gap between the edge of the blade and the hilt. But that's all I see.
    Edit: Oh the left sword doesn't extend all the way to the hilt. There's two white pixels missing that gives it a unique look.
    The second sword has 4 grey pixels at the base of the blade, the US has only 3.
    The third sword in Japan is double edged while in America, it's single edged. Again, 1 pixel and it's hard to see.
    That was actually kind of fun. Like a Where's Waldo game.

  • @Nobodyhere452
    @Nobodyhere452 16 днів тому +2

    Cool video, I always thought warmech was one of the best secret bosses in FF. Would love to hear more about its lore and all the little details 👍

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      As I make my way through the game chronologically, I'm sure we'll run into Warmech again! Thanks so much!

  • @raza5757
    @raza5757 16 днів тому

    0:25 favorite Warmech 🤦‍♂️ on the pixel remaster I spent a long time grinding to find Warmech. Beating Warmech was the last trophy I needed in order to earn the 100% Bestiary trophy, and thus the “Master of I” trophy for completing all other trophies. After grinding a long time to find Warmech, defeated it, the game glitched. Didn’t get the final trophy. Tech support says, “We got nothing.” 😢 my heart will go on.

  • @MHChrono
    @MHChrono 15 днів тому

    XIV links the games in odd ways though... The StB alliance raids confirm its the same world as Ivalice, which leads to a ton of questions about what takes place before or after FFT etc.

  • @TheBlackSeraph
    @TheBlackSeraph 16 днів тому

    I recently beat FF1 PR with the intent to complete the bestiary, so I was more than ready to have trouble with warmech. Came across him within three encounters and beat him within the second turn. I had more trouble with finding Iron Golem in the Chaos Shrine, and he's meant to be EASIER to find in the PR.
    As for thinking in terms of a muliverse, just don't. You've included SaGa games, if you follow that logic then you have to count the Seiken Densetsu series for their depiction of dwarfs and chocobos in the earlier games.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      I’m covering the whole series in chronological order and soon enough I’ve got to cover FF Adventure which is the first Seiken game. It’s programmed by some of the original FF1 staff too so I’m actually excited about it!

  • @fistfullofsalt6311
    @fistfullofsalt6311 16 днів тому +1

    I'm currently playing the Pixel Remastered Collection version of the game 😅 and I'm currently on the Flying Fortress...soooooo looking forward to this fight, if I can find it.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      Just run around on the same floor that Tiamat is on, try to be at above level 50 and you’re good!

  • @the1stMoyatia
    @the1stMoyatia 16 днів тому +5

    Since the Sky Palace in Final Fantasy is basically ruins of an advanced Civilization that used high tech, there's a chance the world of Final Fantasies 1 and 6 coexistence. VI most likely took place before the four fiends and Chaos came to be.

    • @AndyNinXdo
      @AndyNinXdo 16 днів тому

      Defeating Kefka in ff6 also makes magic disappear from the world so how does it come back in ff1?

    • @EdmondDantes224
      @EdmondDantes224 16 днів тому +1

      @@AndyNinXdo It could be a different kind of magic, like maybe a mutation caused by radiation, or perhaps FF1's magic is some sort of divine or paranormal gift (whereas in FF6 it was done as a sort of organic infusion).
      Or maybe the world of FF1 had a lot of people who started listening to eighties rock music and that made them all magical.

    • @the1stMoyatia
      @the1stMoyatia 16 днів тому

      @@AndyNinXdo The Espers brought magic into the world. They mingled and bred with humans thus creating hybrids. That is why the humans became adept to using magic.

    • @AndyNinXdo
      @AndyNinXdo 16 днів тому +1

      @@the1stMoyatia at the end of 6 all espers and magicite were destroyed as well as Terra's esper half. It was also the three goddesses that brought magic and created the espers

    • @the1stMoyatia
      @the1stMoyatia 15 днів тому

      @AndyNinXdo that means there was not an opening to a continuation.

  • @Gary_P2
    @Gary_P2 16 днів тому +1

    I’ve been waiting for this video to drop. I gotta go watch your FF multiverse video. Some of your theories are a stretch but all have solid reasoning, and all of them are fun.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      I appreciate you checking out my theories! It’s great to hear you enjoy them! I definitely say that my theories are a stretch but I think that's the fun part. I know my videos certainly aren't for everyone (a trip to the comment section will show you all you need to know, lol) but these videos are the ones I love to make the most! Thanks so much for watching and leaving a comment!

    • @Gary_P2
      @Gary_P2 16 днів тому +1

      @ Well I’m definitely a person your videos are for. You rock man!

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому +1

      @Gary_P2 oh gosh thank you for the kind words! It means so much!

  • @dumdumchord
    @dumdumchord 15 днів тому +1

    I never considered how similar the Magitek armor in FFVI particular the Japanese cover art looks like a Warmech that's been repurposed for human use.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  15 днів тому +1

      I’ll get into this later on when I’m closer to the Dissidia series, but Warmech was created originally for war between two cities!

  • @chernobyl169
    @chernobyl169 16 днів тому

    FFXIV offers a more coherent answer to these theories: [Spoilers: Hildibrand side quests, Shadowbringers MSQ]
    -----
    The FF multiverse is not a series of distinct-yet-related universes. It is a single fluid entity with ebbs, flows, and pockets where sometimes things share features and sometimes they do not. Gilgamesh is one of the very few characters in this multiverse that has the ability to traverse this fluid like a river rather than exist within it like a stone, and he is not fully aware of this power and how it works. This is why he appears the same across the series: while there are many WarMechs and Death Machines all created and inspired by the same magic in different worlds with different creators and different perspectives, there is only one Gilgamesh that travels between those worlds and perspectives.
    The existence of the thirteen reflections is still itself only one lake of the fluid of Final Fantasy. The appearance of reflections of people within those fourteen worlds as fragments of souls is a mirror image of the reflections of WarMech, the Eidolons/Eikons/Summons, Magitek, and even the common beasts such as Coeurl and Malboro. While a Coeurl in FF6 might be best known for its deadly Blaster attack, such a creature in XIV is little more than an aggressive wild cat - yet they are unmistakably related much in the same way WarMech is unmistakably a Death Machine.
    Further evidence of this transference of ideas between worlds is offered by the Fae, who bring dreams to people outside their home within The First. The legendary toolsmith is obviously a reflection of the legendary blacksmith from Eorzea, and despite having polar opposite personalities, they have experiences that are directly related to the dreams of their reflections. The unique creation of multiple WarMechs in multiple worlds is easily explained by the same phenomenon.

    • @Zyart
      @Zyart 16 днів тому

      Strangers of Paradise go into this a LOT heavier as well, implying that the multiverse theory is canon, Dissidia is canon, and every Darkness related calamity across the multiverse can be traced back to the Lufenians using the universe as a dumping ground for Darkness, which is a byproduct of their "experiments".

  • @SweetyMiki
    @SweetyMiki 15 днів тому

    According to the Stranger of Paradise Confidential Files, there are likely only 20 dimensions with FF1. They're the 19 remakes and 1 being SoP, this is why Stranger of Paradise has Station 19 also. So, SaGa 1 cannot take place in one of these alternate FF1 dimensions, because they're not connected, like the other FF games. SaGa appearances are just homages tbh.

  • @Onotosho
    @Onotosho 16 днів тому

    I was playing pixel remaster. I ran into it on my way to tiamit. I set up turn one. It used its special turn one. I got ready for a fight. It ran turn two. I haven't seen it again

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      Ugh that’s the absolute worst!! Happened to me so many times! It’s there I promise!

  • @davidkwong3369
    @davidkwong3369 16 днів тому +1

    Well because Final fantasy Canon is like Disney taking over SW 7,8, and 9, then righting back stories to make everything fit. Ff legends wasn't a final fantasy but since they were going to make it a final fantasy game they threw in war Mach. The only way to make sense of an FF time line would be the multiverse idea which means time line is irrelevant, all can take place at the same time or not, still no difference. And finally since Disney came in and "bought" the SW canon, Canon just means, "this is what the owner says the story is".

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 16 днів тому

    The almighty WarMech

  • @Omicron9999
    @Omicron9999 14 днів тому

    I uhh... think you moved the decimal one place to the left. 1/64 is 1.5625%, and 3/64 is 4.6875%
    WarMech is a rare spawn, sure, but not *that* rare.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  14 днів тому

      Oooffff good catch. Math is clearly not my strong suit… thank you for pointing it out to me!

  • @skippy-the-destroyer
    @skippy-the-destroyer 15 днів тому

    I really thought, 1 through 5 were all the same world over time(and i mean millions of years at times) if tactics and 12 are the same world I see no reason why the first 5 or 6 don't share the same one. You could even make a solid argument that 13 is also part of that world after the crystals get tired of the humes crap.

  • @AstroTibs
    @AstroTibs 16 днів тому

    My opinion is that almost all of the games are independent of each other and not canonically tied. That keeps all the original stories intact without weird and complicated rationalization which would open the "contradiction" can of worms.
    (Almost) every game has a Cid, because it's a trope of the series. It's an in-joke. We need not ascribe a deeper meaning.

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      I just like the fun of thinking about the games in different ways!

  • @AaronJLong
    @AaronJLong 16 днів тому

    IMO Marcie/Marshall the Warbot from Final Fantasy Adventure and its remakes is an intentional reference to WarMECH. Humanoid Warmech!

  • @mma070181
    @mma070181 16 днів тому

    having beaten him on the NES way back when the Nintendo Power contest was happening, I can say he's a joke in the Pixel Remaster in comparison. I beat him with a Knight, Ninja, and twist Red Wizards, didn't even need a White Wizard.

  • @eviljigglypuff2254
    @eviljigglypuff2254 15 днів тому

    Mach pronunciation- mock. Mach3 being a higher speed than mach1

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  15 днів тому

      I know what Mach is when referring to speed (The Mach 5, I’m a speed racer fan) but this isn’t referencing speed in the game itself. Someone pointed out in a comment earlier that it could have been short for Machine!

  • @charmanderfan1
    @charmanderfan1 16 днів тому

    I'm going to be honest. 2000 health isn't that great in versions of Final Fantasy 1 where the Temper skill actually works. I beat him in, like, two turns or so by stacking Temper, it's busted.

  • @mf_________
    @mf_________ 14 днів тому

    Metal ge... i mean, "War mech..."

  • @Eener1000
    @Eener1000 16 днів тому

    Timelines between different FF games is just as pointless as timelines between the different Zelda games.

  • @moralobjection4836
    @moralobjection4836 16 днів тому +1

    Cool video.

  • @Chadjessup41
    @Chadjessup41 16 днів тому +1

    Great video Great videogame Great youTube player

  • @0xPRIMEgs
    @0xPRIMEgs 16 днів тому

    FF6 in FF1? Terra Terrasor in Stranger. You did play through FFO SoP, right? =o so yeah, its probably as close as ff2 in the ff1 spatial multiverse

    • @TheReturnersHideout
      @TheReturnersHideout  16 днів тому

      While I have gone through SoP, I'm using a lot of the OG FF stuff until I get to the later ones as I am going through them chronologically. This particular video I wrote literally a year ago and finally wanted to put it together lol - thank you so much for watching and commenting!

  • @Taikomo
    @Taikomo 11 днів тому

    No, not everything is a curious case. That title should be banned from UA-cam for like 10 years.

  • @zerospace101
    @zerospace101 6 днів тому

    I found 2 fighters and 2 monks destroys the game lol

  • @mountainmgtow5421
    @mountainmgtow5421 16 днів тому

    You don't have to talk so fast.. Feel free to take it sloooooooooooooooooooowww.

    • @WhoIsRyanFox
      @WhoIsRyanFox 16 днів тому

      You could just slow down the video with UA-cam's playback speed settings.