This Phone Runs Windows 7
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2021
- The Fujitsu F-07C phone from 2011. Released only in Japan by DoCoMo. With the ability to run Windows 7 Home SP1.
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Snow Okami blog has many useful posts for the F-07C. Including the English language pack for Windows.
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The fact it runs Aero is amazing
-Yeah, i mean when i was 9 yo our computer couldn't run it🤣
What aero
@@Prest-cf9bs when a window/program is opened the border around it is see through
@@Prest-cf9bs Its a visual effect that was present in Windows Vista and 7, it allowed things like the taskbar and Window boarders have a fancy effect. however in the Vista days many PC's could not run it.
No Windows 7 Starter but Home Premium on a phone like that. It's indeed crazy
I'm surprised it has aero enabled which means it has an accelerated graphics driver. Would be interesting to see some 3d games running on this phone.
I played Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force on this in one other video.
@@JanusCycle What GPU did the phone have in it?
@@JordanAnderson-pp5hu Intel GMA600
@@myrmeko Luckily not GMA 500 😅
@@JordanAnderson-pp5huit's a few gens old. GTX 980 I think.
This was the last gasp from Fujitsu's phone division going down and being reorganized. Still being on the same corporate body, and it seemed the phone people could just arrange a collaboration with laptop people and got this out the door as a sendoff. The significance of that is, there were many rough edges to this phone because of that, such as:
- Yes it physically has an Atom. No this isn't virtualization, two separate things on a single PCB.
- No you can't split it in half. Both "sides" are quite co-mingled.
- The phone side acts as a display-keyboard-webcam and USB modem. Takes display in, puts touch/keyboard out.
- The phone is based on Symbian, but only in kernel and low-level stuff. Standard Fujitsu UI(MOAP-S). Not open to user modification at all. Kind of runs J2ME app? Maybe?
- The display is, for incomprehensible reason, portrait locked by BIOS and software rotated by driver. Some unverifiable reports exist that you could modify and reflash the BIOS to fix it, but in case it didn't go well, it's as easy as desoldering and resoldering the modem chip on an iPhone.
- The battery indicator hits zero at 30% real SoC or so, there's ton of reserve only usable by the phone side. But it's way undersized anyway; lasts all 30 minutes with Windows.
- The iPod-Dock-like socket below keyboard is non-Apple version of that exact connector, only different in pin mapping and keying on the side. Coulple useful signals is on it such as USB D+/D-, HDMI, but not power out(there is +3V3 but for detection only, can't drive a peripheral)
- This is a 3G phone; no LTE whatsoever. SIM unlock should be available for free though.
Thank you for this interesting information
ありがとう、すどにむ！
(TBH, partly I wrote that just to be sure I'd read your display name correctly!)
30 minutes? That's probably because of the preinstalled Norton.
@@ZZ-pq6ht I don't know, but looks like the onboard removable battery was rated for only 1400mAh @ 3.7V or 5.18Wh. Even assuming the battery can discharge at full ~2A at the bottom end, which isn't too likely, that's 5 Watts for 1 hour. Half that in real world don't sound way off.
Fujitsu's tiny laptops in the early 2000's were the height of Japan Alt.Universe.
The P2120 was my favourite.
A tiny 1.5kg sub-notebook, 11" LCD and a DVD/CD-RW drive !
Bonkers Tech for 2003 !
I agree. Their UMPCs were unique too, way before tablets got popular.
Toshiba had these crazy mini laptops in the early 2000's.
They were called librettos. Tiny little things and really cool as they were proper computers running windows.
Has anybody done a video on those? Sounds like a really interesting topic.
@@BilisNegra I haven't seen one.
Fujitsu PC's & laptops were quite popular in Japan, but are Unicorns in the West.
Nailing those arty shots again! Having a wife who can read Japanese usually helps when I'm trying to switch something to english! Great video.
Thank you, It's good to know my weird arty shots are appreciated. Sounds like you have something of an advantage with Japanese items such as perhaps Japan only video games. Great stuff.
bro this is like a prehistoric steam deck
no wonder that japanese guy was screaming like "YOU CAN USE A PRINTER WITH THIS THING"
i really want to see something like this made today. a device that can dualboot android and windows with the physical keyboard
Yeah. What would be really cool is if they managed to cram a power efficient x86 processor into a phone. Until thats possible, we will probably have to deal with hybrid x86 and ARM processors. Still really cool.
@@supersaiyancommenter windows supports ARM since windows 10
@@JR-xc1yf Yeah, but it's limited.
No thank you!
@@qwertykeyboard5901 didn't ask
Oh this phone, last time i saw it in person was maybe 6 years ago or so, some dude was showing how he could run japanese visual novels on it. Granted it didn't run that great since the phone was quite underpowered (you can tell by the message in 03:30 saying that the setup process could take up to a whole hour), but since visual novels are just character portraits and text 99% of the time, performance was irrelevant. I miss when phones tried this kind of weird stuff. Nowadays "PC mode" in phones is just android with a PC desktop skin and forcing you to connect to an external monitor.
That android with a skin trend started with Samsung DeX which actually lost features over time sadly, it used to run Linux programs as well as Android in that mode
Is not just a skin, Pc mode works for multitasking, games and web browsing like a normal Computer obviously you cant run Windows apps but you can fix it by emulation and alternatives like OfficeSuite, also keep in mind that you can do things that the phone itself cant like playing videos with some uncompatible codecs on the TV, play and emulate games with the controller on fullscreen, cast presentations or images and more
Each video from you is absolute blast. This is serious content !
awesome, thank you
I actually love the idea behind this.
This phone looks like a modernized version of the flip phones still in use in Japan. When I was using a flip phone in the company I work for in Japan, it had a same UI design but was running on android
Absolutely fantastic initial and real review of an amazing phone.
this phone was also released in mexico because of the really good business relationship between the countries
you funny
Soy mexicano y nunca había escuchado de Fujitsu.
hahahaha so funny 😐
@@Affan404Japan does in fact have direct commercial flights between Mexico City and Tokyo that’s primarily used for business. You don’t look like you’re from a country that has direct flights with Japan. 😂😂
Very cool, you should be able to create a batch file to do most if not all the commands required to install the language pack at the end.
Geographically limited HW, from the Japan Alt.Universe.
That ad was AWESOME 👍
~ 2:20 when you were changing the language, i loved the unnecessary attention to detail they put by making it say 'Select Language' while in Japanese and wrote it in japanese while in English mode 😂
Wow! That's a nice detail! I wonder if there's something like this on android, i dunno..
Wow, some really cool niche hardware from the mid 2000s to early 2010s
I've had this phone a few years back ( bought off eBay ) brand new.. I always wanted one, the experience was bad although windows was way too slow.. can't be windows and phone at the same time. Wouldn't run pretty much any native windows app because of the ram and processor... Loved the build quality and novelty of the device... Just not practical in any way shape form or fashion..
It certainly is a weird mashup of ideas. Which is the bulk of it's appeal. That's probably the main reason I wanted one too.
@@JanusCycle I've always wanted one of those mid 2000's umpc's... Their hard to come by nowadays. Some creep up on eBay here and there definitely miss that era when life was fun and companies thought outside of the box with wacky devices... Besides the Galaxy fold and folding tablet's ITS BORING... SAME OLD DESIGN...
@@MASA-ARRI GPD are keeping the umpc alive.
I would've loved to have this phone back in school, just to show to my school-mates that I indeed have a full windows computer in my pocket.
back when I WAS in school, I had a windows tablet by HP that was 7 inches and I carried it EVERYWHERE and I loved that I could take a full computer with me, even though it didn't have a good keyboard or mouse situation, running windows 8. windows 10 ran a lot better on it though. my only real complaint was that it wasn't like an arm device where you could put it into sleep and still listen to music, and the only way of getting data in or out was either using a MicroSD card or a USB micro OTG adapter, and you had to keep any OTGing under the battery life because it only had one micro USB and a headphone jack.
also yea my pockets were huge, I absolutely pocketed the thing.
Nice, you had full Windows in your pocket, that is always cool.
well tbf this phone lasts like 30 mins on Windows. Lol
Show off!
@@rayanking4773up to 2 hours*
@@rayanking4773 you could always carry a USB power bank, they were cheap and plentiful at that point
This is a great video. You need to keep making things like this
Ignore what Mitch Mitchell said, honestly I liked that you included the long boot time, made it feel more natural and if he doesn't like it then it only takes 1 second to find where the video continues and skip to it. Great Content.
Thanks, I'm working to find the balance that feels right in each video. There is something to be said for having a more chill section without rushing the flow :)
I'm agree. I want to see the Real Experience for appreciating the OS details 👀 Specially Performance and Interface. Thank so much and thumb up👍
What a unique little device
The almost 5 minutes of Windows booting probably could've been cut down to _maybe_ 1 minute of video. It's pretty boring for viewers to wait _with you_ for a phone to boot. That said, this was a really fun video other than that, so thank you for posting!
Thanks for sharing. I'm going to keep getting better.
@@JanusCycle No doubt - you've got technical chops, and your narration style is already solid, so you're capable of putting out content that's pretty entertaining and interesting _today._ I'm really looking forward to enjoying future content and watching you grow into the best creator you can be over time!
@@WafflesASAP I appreciate hearing that. Knowing I'm providing worthwhile experiences, and where I can improve is massively helpful. Thank you.
@Комендант Sixto Thank you so much for your comment. I'm working to find that balance between interesting and fun moments and the long slow appreciation of the technology itself. The more I can convey how I feel doing this, the more I enjoy the final result. I'm hoping my audience does as well :)
I actually quite enjoyed the boot process.
Nice phone and would be interesting to see how it compares to the Vaio UX. I finally got hold of a Samsung 30GB SDD for my Vaio UX and it works great. Runs Windows 7 well.
Well done, the UX runs great with a proper SSD.
I’ve been thinking about the UX and the later 64 bit model since you brought the topic to my attention. I hope to be making another UX video soon
@@JanusCycle look forward to that video
I have another UX coming it’s the black edition model which has the SSD but was removed and has 1GB ram
The fact that it runs way better than emulating windows on modern higher tier android phones is really nice
Its because... its not emulated. its litterally running on the physical hardware.
It’s not an emulator! It’s bare metal fool
@@CripsyFriesamazing
@@CripsyFries Yeah, but that old hardware is much worse
@@MJ-uk6lu True... but its still faster than emulating!
I wish windows phone was still around it was so nice looking even today
This phone uses a few tricks that a lot of quick start OS PCs used, and now it honestly makes me wish Cathode Ray Dude would cover this phone, because this is rad as hell.
imagine how well it would run on modern phones. i would buy it in a heartbeat.
x86 doesn't play well (or rather too long) with mobile phone batteries.
@@hovnocuc4551there are a Windows emulator on Android (winlator) it can run old games (like fallout 2/Morrowind) or indie games and visual novels (what make sense with phone controls) decently. Or some pc programs.
Indie/older pc games with a phone gamepad is quite a great thing but if a source port available like open morroind/half life 2/portal that is a better choice for phones controlwise.
so neat!! I want one
Works just fine, thank you.
man, ima use this at whatever cost
this sir is doing everyone a favor, waiting :)
Damn that's fricking awesome.
I liked my Windows phone in the US 12-13 years ago. It’s a shame they don’t still make them.
Even the Aero Peek is working, interesting.
companies should do this stuff again with modern OSes like windows 10 and 11 that has a touch screen interface.
I'm guessing when the first boot happened and the setup thing happened, I think that was most likely a driver installation.
Yeah pretty sure he just cut out the windeploy part where it installs the drivers
The Windows Phone we all deserve
Love this
I wish there were more photos like this
The best baseball games on older Sony hardware aren't one of the MLB licensed games from 2K or even from Sony's lauded first party "The Show" series. In my opinion it's actually Konami's NPB licensed "Pro Yakyuu Spirits". NPB is the Japanese League and Konami never bothered much with localizing the game for sale outside of Japan. Baseball is baseball; but to explore anything beyond an exhibition game you need to know how to read Japanese. I don't. So, when you held up your phone trying to translate menus to English on the fly, I felt that.
I really liked this video. This Fujitsu, from a functionality standpoint, should've been the model for Windows Phones. I loved Windows Phones and the Metro UI, but, it was limited by software availability. Can you imagine a world where a Lumia had the Tiles for when you needed to do phone stuff and at the push of a button could switch to full-fat Windows 8/10. That would've went a long way to solving the whole "I don't have as many apps with Lumia as I have with iPhone" conundrum.
Yeah! Heck even just Windows 7 would have been great, althought some people say arm can't run windows 8 and i dunno about that...Maybe it would have been fine if running Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT, it wouldn't be able to run programs but it would have been great, imagine the Lumia 1520 with Windows Phone 8, and you can switch to Windows 8 RT on the go! It wold have been even better with the Windows 8.1 RT update! Althought i don't know if running Windows 8 RT on a phone is like even possible, i want to see it thought!
I will Still love to use this 2022
It's a great phone. I'm really learning and enjoying using it.
Something as unusable as this is definitely from a different era. Don't get me wrong, this is some mind-blowing engineering right here. But there is no way anyone would attempt anything similar nowadays. The closest we got are these relatively large Windows tablets things, but under a certain screen size and without a proper keyboard/mouse it just doesn't make sense to be running a desktop OS.
Email, word processing, paint maybe photoshop and DOOM
This is awesome
When I first heard about Windows Phone 7, I thought it was gonna be something like this.
Boy, was I oh, so unbelievably wrong.
:)
That think is amazing and I love it.
had this phone back in the day
Would love to see a tear down as I have one of these little beauties….. but Before a tear down, Id love to know if it’s possible to install an English version of the OS or even windows 10??? BTW did u ever get the Toshiba micro drive spinning up? Xx
Next week I'll be testing the software ability and hardware limitations (there are many). I'm keen to do a teardown soon as well.
Yes, you can install English Windows including Windows 10. But the instructions are all in Japanese. That will have to wait for a later time. Installing Windows on an eMMC based SSD can be tricky.
I've had no luck with the tiny hard drive, but there is still potential.
@@JanusCycle Thank you for the reply- I look forward to your videos -Please let me know if you would like any more of the Toshiba drives regardless as to whether you are likely to get round to doing anything with them; from memory the ones I have are from a different device (an MP: player I think) and have at least a different connector to yours. I’ll be happy to send you a couple. Regards, Lucas
X86 was always a horrible idea for phones, but still glad a few manufacturers gave it a go as a consumer proof of concept if nothing else.
Motorola Razr I was actually good for the time. Had an Atom Prozessor and Battery suprisingly didn't suck.
This is amazing 😳
It has an atom cpu with HT, 1gb of DD400 ram, and a 32gb SSD and was priced at $860. Similar netbooks were around $200-$400 or less
On a different note, the HTCHD2 was release in 2009 and saw it’s end life around 2016 with android 6.0. For being shipped with windows phone 6.5 to android 6.0, it honestly was a very impressive device
I have a HD2. These are a unique device that can be found for cheap on eBay.
Is this device using x86? and if so does that mean it uses x86 version of Android?
@@addas4 the HTC or this phone? Either are x86
@@mookitty2396 I thought this was running a prerelease version of Android, I skimmed reading your comment and thought you are talking about the same one device, but after rereading it, I understood, there is another device you mentioned.
Also, I was confused how it was running Windows with that level of emulation as I thought it was an ARM CPU, but now that makes sense if it uses x86.
Oh Fujitsu, such madlads
Wonder if it has some kind peculiar drivers for peculiar devices on this phone that we could extract on windows 7 mode.
@Janus Cycle you'd mentioned in a comment below (about a year ago) that the Vaio UX runs great with a proper SSD. Did you ever do a video on that? If the LoE isn't too high, I think it'd be interesting to see a comparison vid on that (HDD vs. SSD on the UX).
Wow, It's amazing!!!!!!!
Not going to lie. I have a PSP that runs windows xp pro and windows vista ultimate and this thing, being newer, made it look like a rocket ship.
Those are fake OS, just mimicking the UI and that's it.
i have this beast. 15-20 mins in windows mode on battery ;-). Few more years and emulation will be faster than this 1ghz atom.
""We're in", 😆 Like a heist movie, but the thing we're breaking into is Win7
This is my favorite niche of devices. Phones/handhelds with built-in Windows OSes.
very cool !
Old techs are something else.
So cool
Man if they made a modern version
Like switch to windows 11
And the phone would be bigger
Man it would be the best
The Lumia 950XL with Windows 11 comes very close. Not fast but can make calls.
@@JanusCycle if only Windows ARM can support Lumia 950/950XL camera I would definitely main driver it and can cope with battery
ok i need 1 of these
this is cool af
A modern phone with an ARM SoC for the Android part and an Embedded Ryzen for the PC part would sell like hotcakes.
Well, probably not since this is still very geeky but I know I'd buy one.
So would I !
I would have totally used one
In Italy we had a Samsung variant with Windows mobile, same hardware
If this was LGR, he would have tried to run Duke Nukem 3D on it.
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love your voice, it gives college professor vibe c:
very cool, thanks for the compliment.
gordon dosen't need to hear all of this
I wish i could have a useful arch and android dual boot on my phone ngl (and perhaps a slide out keyboard too but there are alternatives)
it realy runs!
This must have looked like a breakthrough idea on paper.
Considering the fact that it can run Windows and Linux, you can code the drivers for the GSM and make it a fully-fledged Linux phone, even better than a Nokia N9 which was released a month later.
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cool, thanks
Ooh ooh what if we have a new android phone that you can use with a switch over button to launch windows or another os?
Like I need to use an app on windows to edit something or do windows stuffs and after that returns to phone mode to do calls and messages too
A modernized version of this one. And I'm super interested and will buy if theres one.
You can actually feel his frustration from the way he breathes and those scratches.
This is one of the coolest phones ever
I really want one
i need one but they're probably so expensive and rare rn
Imagine this being done with modern hardware and design
I know it says windows 7 but that is definitely a modified version of Vista. About to go watch your Star Trek video on it.
Holy damn I this is my new dream phone-
So this phone is a mini win 7 pc I wonder how much this phone goes for on ebay?
This experience reminds me a lot of Windows 10
That outro music scared the hell out of me lmao 😂
Lol
Nowadays you can just have your pc at home on wake on Lan and remote desktop to it, no overheating, no slowdown. It's just a novelty
Imagine a phone like this running windows with a high end snapdragon or mediatek cpu with a larger display
Wow, I didn't know that this phone runs Windows 7 or other operating systems, I thought there was only a PC/laptop for other operating systems. That's pretty surprising. :O
Does the front camera work as a webcam on windows 7?
I love the era when stuff like this came out - ambitious, innovative but ultimately impractical. I run pretty much everything Apple now plus a gaming PC and the "fun" aspect of the hardware itself has just disappeared now.
The sudden Japanese ads at the beginning took me off guards lol, but I totally love it. Best unexpected content ever.
I feel the UA-cam recommendation algorithm is playing some guru stuff here. It knows that I like the idea of installing/running computer OS's on phones, and it knows that I love Japanese and Japanese ads, so it shows me a video with all three combined! 💯
With that out of the way, it's totally cool to know that a Japanese company shipped a phone with the *desktop version* of Windows installed. My initial guess was that it runs Windows in some sort of a VM (like QEMU), since it might be too much trouble to get it to work natively. But I looked up the phone's specs and apparently it has a "dual hardware setup", where there exists an Intel Atom CPU with 1 GB RAM dedicated for booting up Windows, while the Symbian OS has its own hardware. So now I'm like, just wow. That's some really unique and neat engineering work. Super kudos to them on that.
Also, while I'm kind of speculating here, but since IIRC Windows 7 did not even support Hyper-V (which is the component that allows the more recent versions of Windows to have multiple OSes booted up side-by-side), so it's quite possible that they made their own hypervisor infrastructure and then modded that Windows installation to work with it.
The isolation between "Windows mode" and "Symbian mode" might also be important. You can't just have two OSes control hardware at the same time (Despite there being separate CPUs and RAM, they still share the same screen, keyboard, mouse, speakers, mic, external SD card slot, etc.), as this would cause chaos and destruction. The two OSes either need to be coordinating among each other (which necessitates a hypervisor component in both) or, if that does not exist, I suppose the only way (if you want to have them both run natively) would be to completely put one into sleep while the other works.
In that case, there may not be even a "hypervisor component" in either of these OSes. Instead, the magic exists in the firmware, which controls both CPUs and takes care of performing a clean switch by putting one to sleep, (then possibly some intermediary steps like saving the state of peripheral devices and restoring their state that belongs to the other OS), and then awakening the other OS. This would imply that the firmware has its own little CPU and RAM as well, which would remain awake regardless of which side is currently running, and is responsible for performing a clean switch when the hardware Windows button on the side is pushed.
There are various possibilities for how they implemented all of this, but they all have one thing in common, which is that it's pretty cool stuff lol. I feel like we could totally appreciate Fujitsu putting their hand in the global smartphone market. (Although they should do so with the same experimental mindset they have in the Japanese market. Since I know they sell laptops to the global market, and as far as I know, it's just regular laptops without any crazy features lol.)
Some really interesting speculation there, thank you. I would assume they used the easiest and simplest methods for the time, whatever that was. Maybe the ARM CPU and firmware is always running and controlling the buttons and keyboard. While the Intel side is a slave that has to be given key strokes and screen access.
I'm glad you found this video. I noticed UA-cam became much much better at matching audience to niche content this year. I hope you get a chance to see some other videos here. I made some more about this phone.
Okay, but can it run Purble Place
I find it funny that the first thing they showcased in the ad was a dating-sim game.
Slide-Out keyboard phones are the best!
amazing! #SpekRegg
0:15 that says "date not set. please set it"
There are no ARM builds of Windows 7, so does this have an x86 Intel Atom in it???
Yes
Oh god I can predict this video will blow up even more and someone's gonna hook it up to a 4090 and play games on max settings