On the bright side, I am looking forward to play the game for scenery and theming reasons. There are some specific things it's really good at (the combined dark ride/outdoor section highly themed coasters of my dreams, for instance!). But there's a lot that could be improved. Thanks for making this video, I hope it pushes people to continue to give constructive criticism. In the end, I think it's not overly negative to share your thoughts hoping for the best for the game.
Idk man, the whole video is pretty negative, I don't think it's constructive at all. For as much as this franchise has done for his channel, he seems ungrateful and will make videos for views. I'll bet anything he didn't wait for a response from Frontier on his email before he posted this smear video.
Best example for the lack of community involvement and communication overall is, they havent communicated if the preorder bonuses will br available after release. Its such a little thing yet says alot about how they are treating us and how they are preying on FOMO for people to preorder the game
@@RudiRennkamel It was rushed. Remember when they had that big company restructure after a really bad earrings call with investors and said they would focus back to Sim games. I think they probably had bigger plans for this game but were forced to rush it out to get more manpower on the new Jurassic World Evolution game to be ready for when the new movie comes out.
As rushed as it may or may not be, we gotta remember how the release of planco 1 went. Many features that we take for granted weren't in the release. They got added within the first year of release. Frontier isn't a company to abandon a project once it's released. And planco is a passion project for the team. They'll do it right.
For a lot of issues, I fear that they won't. Til this day, we had to work with mods to get launches on certain coasters, and those launches don't even show up as actual track pieces in the game. There was no reason for Frontier to never allow us to just install launches on every coaster, yet they never did any of it, and still haven't done this for PC2. I fear the same will happen in PC2 with a lot of solvable issues like switch tracks. We also waited years for certain coaster types in PC1 that are still not in PC2. In my opinion, almost everything could've been an add-on to PC1 years ago, except for the new pathing system. At least I'm somewhat lucky that I don't care for waterparks whatsoever.
All these arguments blaming consoles feel like PC Master Race elitism. As somebody who has put hours into PlanCo on both, The game still looks very much like a PC game ported to console. It keeps being reviewed and showcased on a PC, and in my experience that menu is kind of a nightmare to navigate with a controller. I'm getting a headache imagining trying to draw those nice curves without a mouse, or search with no keyboard. I also feel like you vastly underestimate how powerful modern consoles are. Even if the game is limited by the needs of console players, they would be developing for Xbox Series consoles and the PS5 (and even the PS5 Pro), not the PS4 and Xbox One. While an off the shelf $500 PlayStation can never compete with a $1,500 dollar hobbyist PC rig, it's more than capable of handling the physics calculations that people keep complaining about. Not everybody who plays this game on PC is going to play it on a top end gaming rig, and a console is at least as capable as a typical PC, and would easily outclass the minimum requirements for the game on PC, and most non-gaming laptops.
@@hjspalenkaTHANK YOU! I was literally just thinking about this so many people are complaining so much about it feeling like a console game when in all reality this looks like it will be more problematic to try and deal with as a console player with less buttons than a mouse and keyboard. Yes they may have made it this time from the beginning with console players in mind but it’s still a PC dominated game that even the devs still play it with mouse and keyboard. I think some(not all) just don’t know who to blame so they end up blaming the fact that the devs thought of console players as well this time.
@@hjspalenkacs 2 just had a security breach with one of their workshop mods. This wouldnt have happened if they kept using steam workshop. Same gies for planco2 which only abandonded workshop because it needed to be something centralized for console players to be included. Says a lot about the priorities during development…
I’ve said it before: this is a very strong FOUNDATION for a game. All of the core mechanics are there, but there’s a ton of features that should be added in the very near future
It would be really nice if the weather affects the game environment dynamically. Windy: Some rides like the ferris wheels can't be open. Hot sunny weather: People prefer water attractions like flumes. Winter: People prefer indoor attractions. I'm sure it's not a big deal to implement this features, as you say, everything is there, but the full potential is not being used. Why the heck are switch tracks only available for two coasters? Where are the transfer tracks if even all the other special track elements are in the game. I think they released the game too early.. Hoping for some good DLCs in the future.
I really like that idea, something as much as too much head wind and launch coaster might but be able to get up the hill or something, I’m all for the realism if they’d pull it off
I'm concerned they are leaving out so many things on purpose, purely so that they can add it all to DLC packs in the future which seems really cheap of them...
I definitely feel this way too. Though you could do what I do and wait for a sale on CDKeys, an official retailer, I've got the entirety of PC1 & PZ dlc for around £1.80-£2.40 each over time. Hell, I've just bought the Aviator edition of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 for £80 less than the same version through the X-box PC app and I'm getting a little money back through TopCashback too.
Glad to see you did not sell out, unlike some big youtubers did with the launch of Cities Skylines 2. They hyped it up and never said anything untill the masses started pointing stuff out. Props to you👍
This game just needed an early access and more time. I said this when they announced planco 2. The whole promotion phase was so weird and rushed, they never showed what we wanted and there were just no time for real improvements
Yes and absolute 0 community's communication or questions answered. Loved the first game but we never got a lot of stuff we asked for... Now they added some of it in PC2 but then they seem to take so much away - I really think this should have been a big ADDON for 25-35€ - than we would still have the toolkit, billboards and all the other stuff that is missing.
So true. Compare that to the several alpha and beta builds we got during development of planco 1, frontier actually made us feel like the feedback was beeing heard and partially implemented during the process. Meanwhile planco 2 feels like its been announced 2 months ago and release is already tomorrow… that was already a bit red flag for me. And dont even get me started about frontier not loosing a sungle word on wether preorder bonuses will br available seperately after release. Still havent preordered the game and probably wont buy on releaseday
No better physics, guest flow on paths looking horrible, no improved stations, removing of all the original and dlc themes and rides (which is SO MUCH of we had in Planco 1)… no hotels (despite a freaking resort theme), no restaurants, no real shops, no shows/theaters, apparently no bigger maps. Being forced to pay preorder for a basic carousel and omnimover ride. If you’re truly a fan, all of this is really a disappointment.
I’m truly a fan and I think this game looks amazing. The game just came out so I don’t expect it to be perfect but they did some very great stuff with this game.
yup what type of theme park doesn't have restaurants , shops , & hotels. so weird because planet zoo has shops so we know they have the code to have them in game. hotels i can pass on but not have shops and restaurants is a travesty. of course i think shops will be added down the line but i really was hoping they would of added restaurants to pc2. so now going to have to wait until 2032 pc3 to finally get restaurants , really sucks
@@James_Ford4815 you haven’t even played the game yet. Also, we don’t even know when or if planco 3 will come. I believe you have right to give your opinion, but I think you should give the game try.
@@coastercult4142 Why does someone need to play the game before they can point to something missing in the game? It's not like if he buys and installs the game, restaurants and hotels suddenly start appearing in the game...
This game made me replaying RCT3, too and while being limited, it still amazes me how good that game is holding up to today. The interactive ride pices, custom music, custom buildings, etc. I just remembered how I "wasted" hours of my childhood creating those bad ass pyro shows. You could even download custom fireworks from a website. lol
Yeah check the comments. You guys know how much I love frontier. And how positive I am usually. Looking forward to be called "paid" and "biased" again when I says something positive haha
Ouch, well I'll sadly be cancelling my Pre-order then. The slides not being simulated already had me questioning my purchase. The rest of this is just too much. My first preorder in more than a decade, breaking my rule, and Frontier had to cock it up. This is very disappointing. Also, I cannot believe that the non-simulated slides are for console concerns. If the PCs of yesteryear could run RCT3, the consoles of today could manage it in PC2. There's something else going on. It's awfully suspicious. However, I take great offence to a developer nerfing my potential experience of a game for console players. That was another red line. Unbelievable.
I'm worried this is becoming a common theme with Frontier sequels. JWE 2 was missing so many features from the first game at launch. We didn't even have individually placeable trees until months later. Planet Coaster 2's lack of glass pieces and security systems feels like that all over again, albeit to a slightly lesser extent.
I know it's not actually the end of the world, but I love Planet Coaster 1 to death, and it frustrates me so fucking much that they apparently consolized the sequel to the point of being borderline a downgrade, that I'm tempted to refund my pre-order and just wait and see if they ever fix the game to the point where it's not an obvious console game.
I want to know about park sizes. Can we make them bigger than the first game? Also they’re limiting the guests to 6,000? I get it for console but don’t do it for PC players.
Do you think the devs are quiet about everything? I don't see them on the forums or on other places to have a chat with players. I really miss the good times of 2016.
I'm also surprised that Frontier hasn't responded to all the criticism for weeks and hasn't communicated with the community. That used to be their greatest strength and nothing is more important than the old Planco fanbase. Trying to turn the game upside down for consoles, even though 80% of people play on PCs...
@@shadowthehero3140 I am SO FUCKING FED UP with every industry going down libtard lane. this shit will all backfire hard when you loose your core fanbase.
I usually play Planco to make roller coasters, and what hurts the most for me is that they missed the most important coaster models actually. We have no intamin blitz, no extreme spinner, no stryker coaster, it really sucks
They added the trex but not the raptor. The decisions are so weird in this game. The vekoma model only has 2 trains you can’t make them longer. Not even the swing launch is added.
Rudi, you remain to be my favorite content creator for these games. The first minute and a half sums up my entire thoughts completely, I cannot wait to see more content from you and thank you for not holding back your criticism. My two biggest gripes are the sunny rain and the black boxes for staff building (seriously, both opposites of these in Planzo were some of my favorite things)!
Guests limited to 6000???? What?! We went from not being able to simulate large parks because the game wasn’t optimized to not being able to Simulate large parks because the game doesn’t let you? Completely shot my excitement for this game. Def not getting until this is fixed because the waterpark aspect isn’t enough for me to spend full price on. Hearing they just said “Lol no” to the biggest issue of PC1, optimization, is enough to just forget this game until it’s at least updated to remove that limit and is optimized.
This! It means they again didn't optimize their game! No wonder they didn't talked about the biggest problem of the first game! Instead of fixing it they just limit it!
@@RudiRennkamel I read on a forum that it was confirmed 6k was a hard limit. Basically, you can’t simulate full large parks in this game. Thats just….insanely bad.
Why is there so much complaining about the guest limit realize that if they just allowed a lot of guests, the game will lag insanely it's not possible to optimize the game that much. They would have to deload, stuff six thousand is enough frontier is trying their best and trying to listen to the community we should not get mad at them for not allowing big parks
As someone who has a younger sibling on console while I’m on a top of the line PC. I understand from a dev standpoint why they are doing this planet zoo is still playing catch up. Planet zoo is still getting updates and DLC and features so this game will easily be supported 4+ years plus. The foundation of this game is Amazing. guest limit physics and UI are all things that can be separated from console on future updates. I think the most important thing I am seeing from early PC access is that it runs like butter so we HAVE the overhead for all the nice PC features down the line. It’s annoying but I know once I’m in there painting tree brushes not fighting pathing and making coasters in half the time I’ll only be SLIGHTLY annoyed by the missing features. Fix it frontier!
TRUTH! I hat they develop console versions of this simultaneously. This type of game is not for consoles, you want to make them though, fine, then make the PC version the best it can be first!
@@Memetrash_official The point being why should the game or PC players be limited/affected because you can’t afford or don’t want a PC? If you like gaming, not having a PC is simply your lifestyle/gaming choice.
I didn't preorder, reasons; - we still don't know the Blueprint limit and 4000 is way too little to make great dark rides. - slide physics looks bad. - theming seems to miss too much. Even RCT2 didn't take stuff away but added new stuff (could be a cash crap for future DLCs) - no communication at all from the devs (in the forums the devs only reacted to a bug on their shop page - every other question was ignored). - management looks half baked. - while EA now sales games without any DRM PC2 uses Denuvo again. - steam Workshop got replaced by their own workshop. - looks rushed because so much stuff is missing or half baked - seems there will be no toolkit to make own stuff (maybe another cash crap). - I personally think this should have been an add-on, like for 25-30€, I don't see anything that makes it really worth 50 or 65€. So I will wait for a sale or cheap key seller.
Sadly i tried to buy the deluxe from a key seller but they denied it 1 week ago and refunded me. They said Frontier dont want to give keys around. So i had to spent 60 bucks
I preordered for the first time in my life, because I had a steam gift card that was almost expired, and I barely play any other games on PC. I'm not thrilled about certain things, however I would've always bought the game since PC1 is the game I have spend the most hours with by far. It doesn't hurt me to continue this game with good pathing, better smoothing tool, better lighting and more coaster types. Even if I'm still somewhat disappointed and expected a lot more from this new instalment.
Omg stop with the ‘this isn’t Planet Coaster 2, this should’ve been a DLC’. NO. This was never ever possible in a 10yo engine. Stop this BS. Half your reasons are bs anyway.
Why do guests not want to use pools when I build other rides? why do guests say the queues are too long when they are short? why is there no pirate theming in a water park game? why do guests not use the whole path, instead they follow strait lines? I have so many more why's with this game. I still love it, but so many frustraiting why's. I feel we should have everything from the first one and more. They have announced an update coming in December on Steam, The said they will be fixing a bunch of the bugs, and UI problems, and also are adding Glass panels. I was wanting to make an indoor pool but then realised there was no glass, I was like How? Why? there was even glass in the first one. Like I said I love the game, but I can't wait for the update. Good video, for some reason I haven't seen many people be critical of the game, even though there seems to be so many frustrating problems.
Remember Frontier has been losing money hand over fist, the F1 games, the Warhammer game both cost a fortune to develop. They need this game out to start making money for them. Is this the Microsoft ME of Frontier?
@@linknavi1 I'm a console player so I don't have first-hand experience with custom music and have only ever been able to watch with admiration how pc-players use it through youtube videos. But with all this game has to offer, I just find it very difficult to believe that losing this functionality makes the game completely unfathomable to play and enjoy for longer than 5 hours.
@KirrDale Your a console player that's why. The game does not have so much to offer, it's heavily stripped down in content compared to the original game. PC players expect a park sim to have a pc UI it's too painful to have a console UI on pc it does not work. You don't understand what others are missing out on, just to cater to you, in all honesty console players have ruined the games.
Warum hab ich immer mehr das Gefühl das wir ein halbfertiges Game vorgesetzt bekommen? Man sollte wohl lieber abwarten, bevor man es sich wirklich holt, obwohl man im Vorfeld so gehyped war.
ich denke man kann auf jeden fall Spaß mit dem Spiel haben aber im Grunde hast du völlig recht. Es ist einfach total schade das die Entwickler (oftmals) künstlich Verknappen im vornherein um dann ihre DLC´s verkaufen zu können. Ich denke nämlich genau so wird es mit einigen Dingen laufen.
Oh no, you've (edit, i should say this video and the game, not you haha) got me scared. I was hoping for better rapids, not worse. I'm really not bothered about the water park stuff, but I've also had my doubts about how that part of the game has been shaping up. Still, Planet Coaster at release vs the end of its life were two different games, but there's sort of no excuse for skimping out on features, or animations, etc given how much hype this sequel has had behind it.
@@RudiRennkamel They don't make games for the players. They just want to easily grab money. They could have improved PC1, maybe even as a DLC. Or they could have made it possible to transfer old save files into the new game, while giving owners of the old game an discount. PC1 has some serious flaws. But it was fun. So I felt slightly insulted that they discontinued it, left it in its unfinished state, and instead made Planet Zoo. And now they made it even worse by making this a new game for full price. It's really sad that they waste so much potential.
I just don't get why you develop a game like Planet Coaster with console as primary platform in mind. Almost all people are going to play this on PC, aren't they?
Along with the Custom billboards there seems to be no Custom music. This is kinda a deal breaker for me cause that’s the 1 feature I loved in PC1 since I would always make soundtracks and playlist for my parks and not having that option in this sequel is crushing.
That´s why I never pre-order games. I will wait for a year or two, until everything is fixed and the game is on sale for like 50% off or more. Enough other games to play out there. :)
I SWORE and SWORE, I would NEVER pre-order a game EVER again, and yet, I got suckered again. I'm not going to play it until I see what it's REALLY like and get a refund from Steam if need be. smh, WHY? is correct.
I feel the same. My main gripe is that the beauty for me of playing Planet Coaster was the realistic look. Planet Coaster 2's graphics don't look as good. Looks cartoony. And the far away backgrounds look like water color paintings. It's jarring. IF I would have know I would've waited. I hope they fix it later on patch releases.
Well not gonna lie, I'm kinda worried now with how the game will be at launch because there is so many things that seems to be missing I'll wait to have the game in my hands to see if I'll regret the pre-order, hopefully it will be fixed in a few updates (I think they will react pretty fast) And I've seen the other comments, don't worry you are doing great and we need to tell Frontier what should be updated, it's only the begining of planCO 2 so it should be better later
and just an other thing, I'm watching some other planCO 2 vidéos and it seems that the conveyor belt in Coaster World's video wasn't stoping when a visitor was going on the ride I don't know why some had this issue
@@mattcrazy7070 Thanks for the pointless comment, if you're really gonna be like that just go and take a breather. I was just saying I know how they could fix them (From a developer standpoint)
@@samet9452bingo, the core can’t be changed now, physics cannot be added all of a sudden to slides for example. They seemingly don’t have the ability to do it properly the first time, so they are t going to try and add it in now.
Cancelled my pre-order, I was so hyped for this game but everything I was looking forward to looks half-baked and rushed. 6k player cap is an absolute joke. Unlike PC1 this game has clearly been designed for consoles, and the PC players are now bound to all the technical constraints of an Xbox. Very disappointing, it's Cities Skylines 2 all over again.
So sad that this is what's become normal in the gaming industry: Release half assed games and patching them up later on with updates and DLC. Its getting tiring honestly. I did pre-order the game and am not requesting a refund because I really do want to support this game, but im definitely not playjng anytime soon. Its just obviously not finished yet. What is this "weather system"? PZ and JWE had such beautiful westher effects: different strengths of rain, storm, wind, snow. This weird sunshine + basic rain in PC2 is such an odd thing to see from frontier, with them having it properly working for years in their other games.
Well i guess we know now why they "hid" or were "short" with showing new content. So far my biggest concerns would be the lack of physics on the water slides, missing popular rides like the RMC Raptor, and ride elements missing from coasters. My favorite thing is to recreate real life coasters and if the new elements are only on 2 coasters this is a huge bummer.
Okay especially 4 points in these really concern me decisionwise -First person cam only to paths? Whats that? No cinematic tool from Zoo? Cmon! -No Custom Billboards? Like for what reason even? -Waterslides of course. Why would you bring in the long awaited Waterpark feature and mess it up so badly. Inexistent slidephysics and the Shaping of the bottom? Why? i forgot the 4th point while typing lol I will still give it a try ofc, but I mean these things have literally no reason not to be a thing.
I actually like the first point since it's supposed to be like walking around as a guest. I am very sad about no custom billboards though. I used those all the time in PC1
@@MaxxMcGeePrivate naaah its the no switch- and droptracks for most of the rides. Like minetrains and log flumes. which would be the rides i wouldve done it the most. Missing glass sucks but you probably can work around it a bit.
I totally understand your frustration and believe your points are valid. However if Frontier is aware, lot of these players are coming from planet coaster and planet zoo, you cannot and I repeat YOU CANNOT leave out the basic and fundamental pieces/ functions/ management etc…off the base game! This is a sequel to the game and there are many loyal fans and players who spent hundreds of dollars into PC1 and PZ. So for PC2 not have the issues mentioned for weeks not resolved is absolute slap in the face. I know they listen and many things are improved so no need to take away what was already there and functioning. Frontier, please fix the issues before the release date! thank you
THANK YOU! It really bothered me that it's a beautiful clear sunny day when it's raining! if it could be properly overcast and gloomy, i could do so much more with my parks by just switching it to fixed weather. Also, not gonna lie, raytracing looks horrible in this. every person leaves like a ghost trail behind them and its so distracting. i'm probably just going to turn RTX off for this one
At least one why I know. There aren't any security guard or cameras because they weren't capable to make it work properly in the first game. In the second they just chose to remove it completely.
For those of us who play the jwe series....this is what we have experienced with jwe2. A game rushed out the door with a 'release now patch it later' mind set. The only way companies will learn is to not buy it
I'm glad to see other people with early access also feeling a bit underwhelmed with this game in some areas. It feels weird to sit alone with these feelings, seeing all the hype around it while you aren't allowed to discuss the issues with anyone. I almost felt stupid at times, feeling like I must be doing something wrong since some stuff just didn't work in logical ways compared to Planet Zoo. You would expect this game to be the superior one but it doesn't feel like that so far (with exceptions of course). Hope that Frontier will listen to the constructive criticism.
This is greatly disturbing they should fix all the issues brought up in this video as soon as possible. It is unacceptable to have these problems after 8 years of waiting. I pre ordered the game because I thought frontier was one of the few gaming companies left that produced a good worthy product. Let’s just hope that if it is released in this state the game will be patched to make it unrecognizable from this egregious disappointment!
I remember 10 seconds into the planet coaster announcement trailer they showed a guy run under a tree to get away from rain.. No rain in planet coaster. Over hyping, under delivering.
Wow, I have a lot of respect for your videos and watching this makes me regret my pre-order! Do you think I should I cancel it now, and based off your insight, it seems to be less than what we had in terms of basic functionality. I was hoping for monorail switch tracks for extra trains throughout the day, no windows, no curved water slides for tube's, no physics on water rides. 😢 Thank you for hempful insight bro!
I was watching silvarrets scenery showcase a few hours ago and was really optimistic - but scenery is sadly not everything. Thanks for making this video, there are a lot of points that just have to be talked about. Crazy to think that a lot of these criticism points exist since the first alpha builds of planet coaster 1 - which does not make me believe that they are going to fix most of these points
evolution 3 wont flop, zoo might. Evolution 3 has a purpose to be made unlike zoo, plus apparently they been working on evolution 2 since the first planet zoo. sooo who knows.
Really nice to see criticism aimed at making the game better! There is so much potential in Planet Coaster 2. I'm debating cancelling my preorder today because of the 6k guest limit on PC, lack of separate load and offload stations, and lack of midway games. These are deal breakers for me that have shown up in all the early access videos. Water parks are nice and something I want, but not when the rest of the game needs to evolve beyond Planet Coaster 1. I think Frontier is in trouble if Texel Raptor ever decides to make a water park expansion for Parkitect.
Also also...I had bought my deluxe version of the game via another website, waiting for my license key and was refunded my money and told Frontier have not allowed the discounts they usually would allow these 3rd party sites. So being greedy and the game is this bad?! Really angry 😡
@@RudiRennkamel I get holding back a few new features that people want, but holding back things that already existed in PC 1 and Planet Zoo? They're just asking for a bad launch 🤦♀️
4:33 "Rollercoaster Tycoon Drei... Three" 😅 Gut, dass ich nicht der einzige bin, dem das passiert ^^ Aber, for the international community members, in English: I pre-ordered PC2 a few days ago and I was really hyped, but now I saw this video and I'm really concerned about what the game will be like when it will be published in only five days. Maybe they should have waited with the announcement and publication of the game until next year, and have developed everything they want to include in the game instead of just dropping an unfinished game. Well, let's wait and see...
@@nazh9573they care they care, I mean look at jwe2, it was awful at launch but now its a hidden gem. plus jwe2 has the highest average in all of the sms games, “planet games.”
The Planet games have had very reasonably priced DLC that go on sale fast. I've never bought one at full price (even though they are only like 10 euros). It's all optional cosmetics and some new rides. No new gameplay added in the DLC, that's all free updates. So as far as DLC go, we have it pretty damn good in these games.
why no level crosses for trains over a path, why no height adjustable tower rides while they wereon a dlc in PC 1, why is the kidy coaster themed again as dragon, why no swing launches, why no tranfer tracks, why no hotels or restaurants, why no powered coasters? etc...
Happy launch day, Rudi! Sad to say most of this has not been addressed since you published this video and the game officially dropped. I agree 1000000% with everything you said and more. I think the most frustrating and inexcusable thing is to LOSE functionality. Why would you not want to propel everything forward, to BUILD upon all the progress of the past? No security guards?!? It’s like we’re back at the dawn of PlanCo1 with no staff management functions! I can only assume they plan on reintroducing them in a future update but, as you so aptly put it: whhhyyyyyy?!?! Also it is disappointing to me that there are SOOOO many incredible objects and plants in zoo that could all just be brought right on over, but they haven’t. Like, just bring EVERYTHING over. I want literally all of the plants. I’m not even kidding.
Just Canceled my preorder. Thanks for the heads up. I lost all respect from Frontier. They went hard on the marketing with switch tracks and drop tracks. They even did a stream yesterday about it. The Fact it’s only on 2 coasters that are basically the same is terrible and very misleading. They tried to pull a fast one on the community and I don’t like being lied to.
Yes I really dislike. They could've said they started on both rides and add more later. I'd be okay with this. But leaving people in the dark. I already planned my minetrain and can get rid of it now
@@ErwinPPPwhy do the “fans” always defend the game. They don’t take you guys serious because you just take everything that they give you. That’s why the game is so bad
Another problem I see is that there are no exit pools. If you go to any swimming park, you'll see small exit pools that you can't enter from the ground. They're meant as a splash zone for slides. Now you see cims entering anywhere they want. You should be able to set up rules for every pool. Even things like age restrictions. Or age recommendations.
Hey lieber Rudi, gibt's denn schon ein Fazit zum full Release oder muss das noch reifen? Bin stark am überlegen ob ich es mir überhaupt hole, weil die Meinungen ja sehr auseinander gehen. Habe nicht mitbekommen ob du ein review/Fazit Video für das Spiel geplant hast. Grüße gehen raus ✌🏼
The glass is so sad and the difficulty of switching the building menus is annoying af, but the glass just hurts my souls. And the way paths and pools interact and you almost cant place paths next to curved pools.
The game was clearly made for console at the forefront and PC second. I'm sure the Planet Coaster sales for PS5 and Xbox were a lot more than they got on PC because the game can reach a wider audience that way. That's why they added more blueprints and tried to make them look decent, because it's hard to build on a console, and not a large amount of console players want to spend hours making one detailed build. It sucks they couldn't have made a PC version. 😞😞 I feel like the game looks rushed, and if they did any open beta testing or anything beforehand, they would maybe have time to address their issues; Issues that are super apparent to all your consumers now, a week before it releases.
6000 guest limit... Instead of fixing the biggest problem of the first game, they just put a limit on.... No wonder they never talked about it, because they did nothing about it! Expect again low fps if it goes above those 6000 guests....
I have so appreciated your videos on this. It has actually had me refund my preorder and do the wait and see. Your information has been so incredibly helpful as I fear disappointment and for the cost of the preorder I want to be sure. Thanks Rudi, look forward to more.
Would like to see the devs explaining the reasons (because there is always a reason) so we know the limitations and motives better. I do hope they improve the game along the dls in the future
If you want to see what's still possible, here you go!
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On the bright side, I am looking forward to play the game for scenery and theming reasons. There are some specific things it's really good at (the combined dark ride/outdoor section highly themed coasters of my dreams, for instance!). But there's a lot that could be improved. Thanks for making this video, I hope it pushes people to continue to give constructive criticism. In the end, I think it's not overly negative to share your thoughts hoping for the best for the game.
thanks mr weenie!
And as I also said in the video, there is an equal amount of amazing stuff, which makes it double as frustrating haha
So excited for PC2!
I can't read Silvaret text without his voice in my head. 😅
You guys are a bunch of whiners and making it so I don't want to be a part of this community. Sorry, that is how you guys look to me.
Idk man, the whole video is pretty negative, I don't think it's constructive at all. For as much as this franchise has done for his channel, he seems ungrateful and will make videos for views. I'll bet anything he didn't wait for a response from Frontier on his email before he posted this smear video.
I wish Frontier would actually explain why certain decisions were made. They might be logical, but then at least we understand why.
its not a good escuse if thye mannaged to put so much more in a older game. they are rewning good IPs
Best example for the lack of community involvement and communication overall is, they havent communicated if the preorder bonuses will br available after release. Its such a little thing yet says alot about how they are treating us and how they are preying on FOMO for people to preorder the game
They will not. Frontier is notorious for NOT explaining any design decision. Elite is the best example
To add them in DLCS obviously
All of them were done for a very simple reason, the game was rushed out the door.
I have faith that they'll get it fixed, but I'm seriously concerned they rushed it.
they must address it!
@@RudiRennkamel It was rushed. Remember when they had that big company restructure after a really bad earrings call with investors and said they would focus back to Sim games. I think they probably had bigger plans for this game but were forced to rush it out to get more manpower on the new Jurassic World Evolution game to be ready for when the new movie comes out.
As rushed as it may or may not be, we gotta remember how the release of planco 1 went. Many features that we take for granted weren't in the release. They got added within the first year of release. Frontier isn't a company to abandon a project once it's released. And planco is a passion project for the team. They'll do it right.
@@rockintylerj9349 I'd argue that them rushing and releasing the sequel with basic features missing is kinda side-eyeing material.
For a lot of issues, I fear that they won't. Til this day, we had to work with mods to get launches on certain coasters, and those launches don't even show up as actual track pieces in the game. There was no reason for Frontier to never allow us to just install launches on every coaster, yet they never did any of it, and still haven't done this for PC2. I fear the same will happen in PC2 with a lot of solvable issues like switch tracks. We also waited years for certain coaster types in PC1 that are still not in PC2. In my opinion, almost everything could've been an add-on to PC1 years ago, except for the new pathing system. At least I'm somewhat lucky that I don't care for waterparks whatsoever.
all the limitations of the game give me the impression that it was developed for consoles and ported to PC
100%
It honestly sucks.
All these arguments blaming consoles feel like PC Master Race elitism. As somebody who has put hours into PlanCo on both, The game still looks very much like a PC game ported to console. It keeps being reviewed and showcased on a PC, and in my experience that menu is kind of a nightmare to navigate with a controller. I'm getting a headache imagining trying to draw those nice curves without a mouse, or search with no keyboard.
I also feel like you vastly underestimate how powerful modern consoles are. Even if the game is limited by the needs of console players, they would be developing for Xbox Series consoles and the PS5 (and even the PS5 Pro), not the PS4 and Xbox One. While an off the shelf $500 PlayStation can never compete with a $1,500 dollar hobbyist PC rig, it's more than capable of handling the physics calculations that people keep complaining about. Not everybody who plays this game on PC is going to play it on a top end gaming rig, and a console is at least as capable as a typical PC, and would easily outclass the minimum requirements for the game on PC, and most non-gaming laptops.
@@hjspalenka What a dorky comment
@@hjspalenkaTHANK YOU! I was literally just thinking about this so many people are complaining so much about it feeling like a console game when in all reality this looks like it will be more problematic to try and deal with as a console player with less buttons than a mouse and keyboard. Yes they may have made it this time from the beginning with console players in mind but it’s still a PC dominated game that even the devs still play it with mouse and keyboard. I think some(not all) just don’t know who to blame so they end up blaming the fact that the devs thought of console players as well this time.
@@hjspalenkacs 2 just had a security breach with one of their workshop mods. This wouldnt have happened if they kept using steam workshop. Same gies for planco2 which only abandonded workshop because it needed to be something centralized for console players to be included. Says a lot about the priorities during development…
I’ve said it before: this is a very strong FOUNDATION for a game. All of the core mechanics are there, but there’s a ton of features that should be added in the very near future
Precisely
True! Absolutely
Imo they have a foundation that's falling apart
ye a chinese concrete foundation...
Guests are glued together in groups, and just glitch around each other. I'd say that's a foundation made of quicksand
It would be really nice if the weather affects the game environment dynamically.
Windy: Some rides like the ferris wheels can't be open.
Hot sunny weather: People prefer water attractions like flumes.
Winter: People prefer indoor attractions.
I'm sure it's not a big deal to implement this features, as you say, everything is there, but the full potential is not being used.
Why the heck are switch tracks only available for two coasters? Where are the transfer tracks if even all the other special track elements are in the game.
I think they released the game too early.. Hoping for some good DLCs in the future.
I really like that idea, something as much as too much head wind and launch coaster might but be able to get up the hill or something, I’m all for the realism if they’d pull it off
I think the water slide physics will be the new flying animals
XD
It looks like they literally just reskinned coaster tracks.
or the clipping guests/dinos from JWE 1&2
Looks like we have another Cities: Skylines 2 situation...
Exactly what I was scared of since the announcement
I'm concerned they are leaving out so many things on purpose, purely so that they can add it all to DLC packs in the future which seems really cheap of them...
@@justaguycommenting that would be such an EA kind of move and royally P me off.
It’s very cities skylines 2 and that game is still sitting at “mixed” reviews after a year
Nearly 2k building pieces. I think you'll be fine.
I definitely feel this way too. Though you could do what I do and wait for a sale on CDKeys, an official retailer, I've got the entirety of PC1 & PZ dlc for around £1.80-£2.40 each over time. Hell, I've just bought the Aviator edition of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 for £80 less than the same version through the X-box PC app and I'm getting a little money back through TopCashback too.
They did it with jwe2 so why not this game? And the word you’re missing is “SCUMMY”
Glad to see you did not sell out, unlike some big youtubers did with the launch of Cities Skylines 2. They hyped it up and never said anything untill the masses started pointing stuff out.
Props to you👍
I have a feeling that all post-release fixes are going to be related to divorcing pc from console.
What a fucking stupid move they made there.
Doesn’t work like that, the core of the game cannot be changed now.
@@_NicBP game engines can be updated.
This game just needed an early access and more time. I said this when they announced planco 2. The whole promotion phase was so weird and rushed, they never showed what we wanted and there were just no time for real improvements
Yes and absolute 0 community's communication or questions answered.
Loved the first game but we never got a lot of stuff we asked for... Now they added some of it in PC2 but then they seem to take so much away - I really think this should have been a big ADDON for 25-35€ - than we would still have the toolkit, billboards and all the other stuff that is missing.
So true. Compare that to the several alpha and beta builds we got during development of planco 1, frontier actually made us feel like the feedback was beeing heard and partially implemented during the process. Meanwhile planco 2 feels like its been announced 2 months ago and release is already tomorrow… that was already a bit red flag for me. And dont even get me started about frontier not loosing a sungle word on wether preorder bonuses will br available seperately after release. Still havent preordered the game and probably wont buy on releaseday
No better physics, guest flow on paths looking horrible, no improved stations, removing of all the original and dlc themes and rides (which is SO MUCH of we had in Planco 1)… no hotels (despite a freaking resort theme), no restaurants, no real shops, no shows/theaters, apparently no bigger maps. Being forced to pay preorder for a basic carousel and omnimover ride. If you’re truly a fan, all of this is really a disappointment.
I’m truly a fan and I think this game looks amazing. The game just came out so I don’t expect it to be perfect but they did some very great stuff with this game.
yup what type of theme park doesn't have restaurants , shops , & hotels. so weird because planet zoo has shops so we know they have the code to have them in game. hotels i can pass on but not have shops and restaurants is a travesty. of course i think shops will be added down the line but i really was hoping they would of added restaurants to pc2. so now going to have to wait until 2032 pc3 to finally get restaurants , really sucks
@@malue_music and the biggest one of all…the 6k guest limit. You can’t even simulate a large park.
@@James_Ford4815 you haven’t even played the game yet. Also, we don’t even know when or if planco 3 will come. I believe you have right to give your opinion, but I think you should give the game try.
@@coastercult4142 Why does someone need to play the game before they can point to something missing in the game? It's not like if he buys and installs the game, restaurants and hotels suddenly start appearing in the game...
This game made me replaying RCT3, too and while being limited, it still amazes me how good that game is holding up to today. The interactive ride pices, custom music, custom buildings, etc.
I just remembered how I "wasted" hours of my childhood creating those bad ass pyro shows. You could even download custom fireworks from a website. lol
Im so glad people with a voice are all saying the same thing. I see a lot of these type of comments on Steam and the Fronier forums get called hate.
Yeah check the comments. You guys know how much I love frontier. And how positive I am usually.
Looking forward to be called "paid" and "biased" again when I says something positive haha
Ouch, well I'll sadly be cancelling my Pre-order then. The slides not being simulated already had me questioning my purchase. The rest of this is just too much.
My first preorder in more than a decade, breaking my rule, and Frontier had to cock it up. This is very disappointing.
Also, I cannot believe that the non-simulated slides are for console concerns. If the PCs of yesteryear could run RCT3, the consoles of today could manage it in PC2.
There's something else going on. It's awfully suspicious. However, I take great offence to a developer nerfing my potential experience of a game for console players. That was another red line.
Unbelievable.
I'm worried this is becoming a common theme with Frontier sequels. JWE 2 was missing so many features from the first game at launch. We didn't even have individually placeable trees until months later. Planet Coaster 2's lack of glass pieces and security systems feels like that all over again, albeit to a slightly lesser extent.
I know it's not actually the end of the world, but I love Planet Coaster 1 to death, and it frustrates me so fucking much that they apparently consolized the sequel to the point of being borderline a downgrade, that I'm tempted to refund my pre-order and just wait and see if they ever fix the game to the point where it's not an obvious console game.
the 6k guest cap was enough of a deal breaker for me that I unfortunately just refunded my preorder. It's extremely disappointing. :/
THEY GOT RID OF SECURITY!? 😱
And guests
Not going to lie, security is a stupid mechanic.
Since the original theme park in the 90s... security has been a stupid unenjoyable mechanic. won't miss it
I didn't even notice this while playing.
I want to know about park sizes. Can we make them bigger than the first game? Also they’re limiting the guests to 6,000? I get it for console but don’t do it for PC players.
and why only 4 parks?
Do you think the devs are quiet about everything? I don't see them on the forums or on other places to have a chat with players. I really miss the good times of 2016.
I'm also surprised that Frontier hasn't responded to all the criticism for weeks and hasn't communicated with the community. That used to be their greatest strength and nothing is more important than the old Planco fanbase. Trying to turn the game upside down for consoles, even though 80% of people play on PCs...
They should be hiding their heads in the sand, like they seemingly are, shocking attempt at what could have been a fantastic game.
@@shadowthehero3140 I am SO FUCKING FED UP with every industry going down libtard lane. this shit will all backfire hard when you loose your core fanbase.
Community Managers were the first to go in the lay-offs, unfortunately.
Probably most disappointed in lack of billboards and custom music. Those helped immensely in theming
Well said. We wanted what RCT2 was to RCT1, but got a clunky RCT3
Honestly the guest limit doesn't really bother me because I took my biggest pc1 park and put a 6k guest limit on it and it was still crowded
Its a scam so you pay for DLC to get more. F.Devs have always done this and have always been expensive titles.
I usually play Planco to make roller coasters, and what hurts the most for me is that they missed the most important coaster models actually. We have no intamin blitz, no extreme spinner, no stryker coaster, it really sucks
they probably add them to the game some da
They added the trex but not the raptor. The decisions are so weird in this game. The vekoma model only has 2 trains you can’t make them longer. Not even the swing launch is added.
@@jeweetwie5271 the game is bugged so it probably won't be like that for much longer
@ no the t rex was already at planco 1
Rudi, you remain to be my favorite content creator for these games. The first minute and a half sums up my entire thoughts completely, I cannot wait to see more content from you and thank you for not holding back your criticism.
My two biggest gripes are the sunny rain and the black boxes for staff building (seriously, both opposites of these in Planzo were some of my favorite things)!
Frontier fired too many talents, it was showing from the first trailer but now I’m just worried for the future of Planet games…
Guests limited to 6000???? What?! We went from not being able to simulate large parks because the game wasn’t optimized to not being able to
Simulate large parks because the game doesn’t let you? Completely shot my excitement for this game. Def not getting until this is fixed because the waterpark aspect isn’t enough for me to spend full price on. Hearing they just said “Lol no” to the biggest issue of PC1, optimization, is enough to just forget this game until it’s at least updated to remove that limit and is optimized.
but you can have them 3 days, so max of 18k would be peak.
This! It means they again didn't optimize their game! No wonder they didn't talked about the biggest problem of the first game! Instead of fixing it they just limit it!
@@RudiRennkamel I read on a forum that it was confirmed 6k was a hard limit.
Basically, you can’t simulate full large parks in this game. Thats just….insanely bad.
@@thecoasterfollower3564 haha :D
Why is there so much complaining about the guest limit realize that if they just allowed a lot of guests, the game will lag insanely it's not possible to optimize the game that much. They would have to deload, stuff six thousand is enough frontier is trying their best and trying to listen to the community we should not get mad at them for not allowing big parks
As someone who has a younger sibling on console while I’m on a top of the line PC. I understand from a dev standpoint why they are doing this planet zoo is still playing catch up. Planet zoo is still getting updates and DLC and features so this game will easily be supported 4+ years plus. The foundation of this game is Amazing. guest limit physics and UI are all things that can be separated from console on future updates. I think the most important thing I am seeing from early PC access is that it runs like butter so we HAVE the overhead for all the nice PC features down the line. It’s annoying but I know once I’m in there painting tree brushes not fighting pathing and making coasters in half the time I’ll only be SLIGHTLY annoyed by the missing features. Fix it frontier!
I like your positive take on the situation. I feel better now. :)
TRUTH! I hat they develop console versions of this simultaneously. This type of game is not for consoles, you want to make them though, fine, then make the PC version the best it can be first!
ehhh im with u on this but coming from a console guy ive played all planet games and there fun
@@domgriffith
Just seriously limited thanks to console.
What about us, console players. We can’t afford 2000$ pcs I get you but I kinda don’t.
@@Memetrash_official
The point being why should the game or PC players be limited/affected because you can’t afford or don’t want a PC?
If you like gaming, not having a PC is simply your lifestyle/gaming choice.
I didn't preorder, reasons;
- we still don't know the Blueprint limit and 4000 is way too little to make great dark rides.
- slide physics looks bad.
- theming seems to miss too much. Even RCT2 didn't take stuff away but added new stuff (could be a cash crap for future DLCs)
- no communication at all from the devs (in the forums the devs only reacted to a bug on their shop page - every other question was ignored).
- management looks half baked.
- while EA now sales games without any DRM PC2 uses Denuvo again.
- steam Workshop got replaced by their own workshop.
- looks rushed because so much stuff is missing or half baked
- seems there will be no toolkit to make own stuff (maybe another cash crap).
- I personally think this should have been an add-on, like for 25-30€, I don't see anything that makes it really worth 50 or 65€.
So I will wait for a sale or cheap key seller.
same here!
This!!
Sadly i tried to buy the deluxe from a key seller but they denied it 1 week ago and refunded me. They said Frontier dont want to give keys around. So i had to spent 60 bucks
I preordered for the first time in my life, because I had a steam gift card that was almost expired, and I barely play any other games on PC. I'm not thrilled about certain things, however I would've always bought the game since PC1 is the game I have spend the most hours with by far. It doesn't hurt me to continue this game with good pathing, better smoothing tool, better lighting and more coaster types. Even if I'm still somewhat disappointed and expected a lot more from this new instalment.
Omg stop with the ‘this isn’t Planet Coaster 2, this should’ve been a DLC’.
NO. This was never ever possible in a 10yo engine. Stop this BS. Half your reasons are bs anyway.
I dont wanna buy the game anymore.
Why do guests not want to use pools when I build other rides? why do guests say the queues are too long when they are short? why is there no pirate theming in a water park game? why do guests not use the whole path, instead they follow strait lines? I have so many more why's with this game. I still love it, but so many frustraiting why's. I feel we should have everything from the first one and more. They have announced an update coming in December on Steam, The said they will be fixing a bunch of the bugs, and UI problems, and also are adding Glass panels. I was wanting to make an indoor pool but then realised there was no glass, I was like How? Why? there was even glass in the first one. Like I said I love the game, but I can't wait for the update. Good video, for some reason I haven't seen many people be critical of the game, even though there seems to be so many frustrating problems.
Remember Frontier has been losing money hand over fist, the F1 games, the Warhammer game both cost a fortune to develop. They need this game out to start making money for them. Is this the Microsoft ME of Frontier?
Yeah Frontier was so bad in the F1 games I don't get it. This was honestly a total cash grab with only bugs.
Imo they totally miss managed
Atleast it has been confirmed custom audio and billboards and seperate load and unload stations will be coming in a future update
I hate how there’s no swing launches but beside that I’m so excited
all i care about is the lack of custom audio and billboard videos. i probably won't even get 5 hours out the game if it lacks those.
Lol bit dramatic, no?
@KireDale87 not for me, that's all I want from the game. All my coasters i want to make need at least audio.
@@KireDale87 absolutely not. Custom music is a huge part of the PC version of PC1 and it’s a essential for creating peoples vision parks.
@@linknavi1 I'm a console player so I don't have first-hand experience with custom music and have only ever been able to watch with admiration how pc-players use it through youtube videos. But with all this game has to offer, I just find it very difficult to believe that losing this functionality makes the game completely unfathomable to play and enjoy for longer than 5 hours.
@KirrDale Your a console player that's why. The game does not have so much to offer, it's heavily stripped down in content compared to the original game. PC players expect a park sim to have a pc UI it's too painful to have a console UI on pc it does not work. You don't understand what others are missing out on, just to cater to you, in all honesty console players have ruined the games.
Warum hab ich immer mehr das Gefühl das wir ein halbfertiges Game vorgesetzt bekommen? Man sollte wohl lieber abwarten, bevor man es sich wirklich holt, obwohl man im Vorfeld so gehyped war.
ich denke man kann auf jeden fall Spaß mit dem Spiel haben aber im Grunde hast du völlig recht. Es ist einfach total schade das die Entwickler (oftmals) künstlich Verknappen im vornherein um dann ihre DLC´s verkaufen zu können. Ich denke nämlich genau so wird es mit einigen Dingen laufen.
The video ends at 15:58 and then it's just black for another 3 minutes, might want to cut that out in the youtube studio. Mistakes happen :)
Yeah it was stressful 😅
It's 2024, we can't have nice things anymore.
Sad but true xD
Oh no, you've (edit, i should say this video and the game, not you haha) got me scared. I was hoping for better rapids, not worse. I'm really not bothered about the water park stuff, but I've also had my doubts about how that part of the game has been shaping up. Still, Planet Coaster at release vs the end of its life were two different games, but there's sort of no excuse for skimping out on features, or animations, etc given how much hype this sequel has had behind it.
6000 guests only? Wtf im speechless
Hopefully Frontier will see this and fix the issues before it launches. And here I was gonna preorder it.
I guess we gotta wait some more years for these missing festures to be added in like usual with Frontier's games...
Yeah but some of them I can't understand
@@RudiRennkamel They don't make games for the players. They just want to easily grab money. They could have improved PC1, maybe even as a DLC. Or they could have made it possible to transfer old save files into the new game, while giving owners of the old game an discount. PC1 has some serious flaws. But it was fun. So I felt slightly insulted that they discontinued it, left it in its unfinished state, and instead made Planet Zoo. And now they made it even worse by making this a new game for full price. It's really sad that they waste so much potential.
As s Console player, it sucks there too
I just don't get why you develop a game like Planet Coaster with console as primary platform in mind. Almost all people are going to play this on PC, aren't they?
Let’s talk about the lack of physics on water rides.
Along with the Custom billboards there seems to be no Custom music.
This is kinda a deal breaker for me cause that’s the 1 feature I loved in PC1 since I would always make soundtracks and playlist for my parks and not having that option in this sequel is crushing.
I'm cancelling my pre order.Thank You Rudi for saving my money
Same
lol. Wuss.
I was waiting for a video like this before even considering pre-ordering. No pre-ordering for me.
dont be an idiot its a great game thats going to be miles ahead off the original
Silvarret: Alright lets carefully point out some issues with the slide.
Rudi: Hold my beer!
That´s why I never pre-order games. I will wait for a year or two, until everything is fixed and the game is on sale for like 50% off or more. Enough other games to play out there. :)
Cool.. saving what.. €25? 🤣. Man..
Yeah, they put way to little effort into PC2. Paying full price for this would be stupid.
I’m tired of games being published unfinished or severely lacking.
I SWORE and SWORE, I would NEVER pre-order a game EVER again, and yet, I got suckered again. I'm not going to play it until I see what it's REALLY like and get a refund from Steam if need be. smh, WHY? is correct.
I feel the same. My main gripe is that the beauty for me of playing Planet Coaster was the realistic look. Planet Coaster 2's graphics don't look as good. Looks cartoony. And the far away backgrounds look like water color paintings. It's jarring. IF I would have know I would've waited. I hope they fix it later on patch releases.
thats on you
@@moonnis4608 I guess no one cares about the graphics. That was the best part of PC1.
@@WhirlOmar I think the graphics looks way better and miles ahead of the original I mean have you looked at the game and all the stuff with lighting
Same here. So much is missing and Frontier is ignoring every question.
Well not gonna lie, I'm kinda worried now with how the game will be at launch because there is so many things that seems to be missing
I'll wait to have the game in my hands to see if I'll regret the pre-order, hopefully it will be fixed in a few updates (I think they will react pretty fast)
And I've seen the other comments, don't worry you are doing great and we need to tell Frontier what should be updated, it's only the begining of planCO 2 so it should be better later
and just an other thing, I'm watching some other planCO 2 vidéos and it seems that the conveyor belt in Coaster World's video wasn't stoping when a visitor was going on the ride
I don't know why some had this issue
The $500+ in future DLCs is the reason why there is so little content in the base game and the reason why I won't be buying it for a while, if at all.
Don't worry, Rudi! I just sent an email to PlanCo 2 about slide physics and the ways I think they could fix them.
Wow. Thank god they will listen to only you
@@mattcrazy7070 Thanks for the pointless comment, if you're really gonna be like that just go and take a breather. I was just saying I know how they could fix them (From a developer standpoint)
@@HayFatYTI think that if we ask them enough they will cave in and attempt to fix it lol
@@Spadegtart We can only hope.
Planet coaster 2 will become great just give it like 5 years.
Yes 😅
Same as with cs2!
@@spaceboyxyz cs2 is released with better psychics. its in the core, the programming. this game didn't.
@@samet9452lol half the things in cs2 weren’t even functioning
@@samet9452bingo, the core can’t be changed now, physics cannot be added all of a sudden to slides for example. They seemingly don’t have the ability to do it properly the first time, so they are t going to try and add it in now.
Cancelled my pre-order, I was so hyped for this game but everything I was looking forward to looks half-baked and rushed. 6k player cap is an absolute joke. Unlike PC1 this game has clearly been designed for consoles, and the PC players are now bound to all the technical constraints of an Xbox. Very disappointing, it's Cities Skylines 2 all over again.
The performance stutters at 400 guests a big worry.
So sad that this is what's become normal in the gaming industry: Release half assed games and patching them up later on with updates and DLC. Its getting tiring honestly. I did pre-order the game and am not requesting a refund because I really do want to support this game, but im definitely not playjng anytime soon. Its just obviously not finished yet.
What is this "weather system"? PZ and JWE had such beautiful westher effects: different strengths of rain, storm, wind, snow. This weird sunshine + basic rain in PC2 is such an odd thing to see from frontier, with them having it properly working for years in their other games.
Well i guess we know now why they "hid" or were "short" with showing new content. So far my biggest concerns would be the lack of physics on the water slides, missing popular rides like the RMC Raptor, and ride elements missing from coasters. My favorite thing is to recreate real life coasters and if the new elements are only on 2 coasters this is a huge bummer.
Okay especially 4 points in these really concern me decisionwise
-First person cam only to paths? Whats that? No cinematic tool from Zoo? Cmon!
-No Custom Billboards? Like for what reason even?
-Waterslides of course. Why would you bring in the long awaited Waterpark feature and mess it up so badly. Inexistent slidephysics and the Shaping of the bottom? Why?
i forgot the 4th point while typing lol
I will still give it a try ofc, but I mean these things have literally no reason not to be a thing.
Maybe the stupid ride operator guys? Oh or no security?.?
4th point was probably glass!
I actually like the first point since it's supposed to be like walking around as a guest. I am very sad about no custom billboards though. I used those all the time in PC1
@@MaxxMcGeePrivate naaah its the no switch- and droptracks for most of the rides. Like minetrains and log flumes. which would be the rides i wouldve done it the most.
Missing glass sucks but you probably can work around it a bit.
@@lhmagix873 Yeah, I agree!
I totally understand your frustration and believe your points are valid. However if Frontier is aware, lot of these players are coming from planet coaster and planet zoo, you cannot and I repeat YOU CANNOT leave out the basic and fundamental pieces/ functions/ management etc…off the base game!
This is a sequel to the game and there are many loyal fans and players who spent hundreds of dollars into PC1 and PZ. So for PC2 not have the issues mentioned for weeks not resolved is absolute slap in the face. I know they listen and many things are improved so no need to take away what was already there and functioning.
Frontier, please fix the issues before the release date!
thank you
Thank you for this video. I was hesitant to buy the game, and this has convinced me to wait until Frontier fixes these issues.
It really feels like they released a half-baked game
THANK YOU! It really bothered me that it's a beautiful clear sunny day when it's raining! if it could be properly overcast and gloomy, i could do so much more with my parks by just switching it to fixed weather.
Also, not gonna lie, raytracing looks horrible in this. every person leaves like a ghost trail behind them and its so distracting. i'm probably just going to turn RTX off for this one
weirdest thing: they have weather in planet zoo (if I'm not wrong from the begining) and there it works how it should be.
And this is making me wait longer. Rather wait it out for updates than deal with an unfinished product
oh boy.... you are gonna have SOOOO MUCH DLC coming your way 🤣
At least one why I know. There aren't any security guard or cameras because they weren't capable to make it work properly in the first game. In the second they just chose to remove it completely.
I used to build my flumes backwards in RCT3, i started with the flume end and building up to the start. is this possible in planco2?
For those of us who play the jwe series....this is what we have experienced with jwe2. A game rushed out the door with a 'release now patch it later' mind set. The only way companies will learn is to not buy it
I'm glad to see other people with early access also feeling a bit underwhelmed with this game in some areas. It feels weird to sit alone with these feelings, seeing all the hype around it while you aren't allowed to discuss the issues with anyone. I almost felt stupid at times, feeling like I must be doing something wrong since some stuff just didn't work in logical ways compared to Planet Zoo. You would expect this game to be the superior one but it doesn't feel like that so far (with exceptions of course). Hope that Frontier will listen to the constructive criticism.
This is greatly disturbing they should fix all the issues brought up in this video as soon as possible. It is unacceptable to have these problems after 8 years of waiting. I pre ordered the game because I thought frontier was one of the few gaming companies left that produced a good worthy product. Let’s just hope that if it is released in this state the game will be patched to make it unrecognizable from this egregious disappointment!
I remember 10 seconds into the planet coaster announcement trailer they showed a guy run under a tree to get away from rain.. No rain in planet coaster. Over hyping, under delivering.
Wow, I have a lot of respect for your videos and watching this makes me regret my pre-order!
Do you think I should I cancel it now, and based off your insight, it seems to be less than what we had in terms of basic functionality.
I was hoping for monorail switch tracks for extra trains throughout the day, no windows, no curved water slides for tube's, no physics on water rides. 😢
Thank you for hempful insight bro!
make sure to check my "Wins" video as well - so you can balance your view depending on what is important to you!
I was watching silvarrets scenery showcase a few hours ago and was really optimistic - but scenery is sadly not everything. Thanks for making this video, there are a lot of points that just have to be talked about. Crazy to think that a lot of these criticism points exist since the first alpha builds of planet coaster 1 - which does not make me believe that they are going to fix most of these points
This is getting me worried about Planet Zoo 2 and Jurassic World Evolution 3.
evolution 3 wont flop, zoo might. Evolution 3 has a purpose to be made unlike zoo, plus apparently they been working on evolution 2 since the first planet zoo. sooo who knows.
@@domgriffiththey’ll just make them console games. 🤢🤮
would be nice to see the standard supports for rides have footers that are able to sit on top of the water instead of hidden down under it
And this is why you don't preorder games anymore. Interest free loan to the developers with no guarantee of a finished product
Really nice to see criticism aimed at making the game better! There is so much potential in Planet Coaster 2. I'm debating cancelling my preorder today because of the 6k guest limit on PC, lack of separate load and offload stations, and lack of midway games. These are deal breakers for me that have shown up in all the early access videos. Water parks are nice and something I want, but not when the rest of the game needs to evolve beyond Planet Coaster 1. I think Frontier is in trouble if Texel Raptor ever decides to make a water park expansion for Parkitect.
I’m not too concerned about the water ride/slide physics honestly. I do wish that 1st person could go anywhere though.
its fine when you like it. For me personally its really a bummer.
@ Do they have rental lockers?
I'm not that big of a concern but it's absolutely crazy it's worst than a 20 year game.
Why are there so many basics missing from this game that are in Planet Zoo? Shouldn't it be better? Worried now 🤦♀️
Also, this is TOTALLY a PC game! Are we going to suffer because they've dumbed it down for consoles? That's such a bad decision 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
yeah, its kinda holding back for DLCs I fear
Also also...I had bought my deluxe version of the game via another website, waiting for my license key and was refunded my money and told Frontier have not allowed the discounts they usually would allow these 3rd party sites. So being greedy and the game is this bad?! Really angry 😡
@@RhiWJ Mine got cancelled via gameseal too.
@@RudiRennkamel I get holding back a few new features that people want, but holding back things that already existed in PC 1 and Planet Zoo? They're just asking for a bad launch 🤦♀️
RCT3 Soaked is better than PlanCo 2 water parks? Well that's all i need to hear to put the final nail in the coffin, minus 1 sale from me.
4:33 "Rollercoaster Tycoon Drei... Three" 😅 Gut, dass ich nicht der einzige bin, dem das passiert ^^ Aber, for the international community members, in English:
I pre-ordered PC2 a few days ago and I was really hyped, but now I saw this video and I'm really concerned about what the game will be like when it will be published in only five days.
Maybe they should have waited with the announcement and publication of the game until next year, and have developed everything they want to include in the game instead of just dropping an unfinished game.
Well, let's wait and see...
Same here, I even think about cancelling my preorder just in case they don't care about feedback...
@@nazh9573they care they care, I mean look at jwe2, it was awful at launch but now its a hidden gem. plus jwe2 has the highest average in all of the sms games, “planet games.”
jwe2 made by frontier btw
I paid €65 and can't wait to spend nearly twice as much on all the new DLCs...
The Planet games have had very reasonably priced DLC that go on sale fast. I've never bought one at full price (even though they are only like 10 euros). It's all optional cosmetics and some new rides. No new gameplay added in the DLC, that's all free updates. So as far as DLC go, we have it pretty damn good in these games.
why no level crosses for trains over a path, why no height adjustable tower rides while they wereon a dlc in PC 1, why is the kidy coaster themed again as dragon, why no swing launches, why no tranfer tracks, why no hotels or restaurants, why no powered coasters?
etc...
Happy launch day, Rudi! Sad to say most of this has not been addressed since you published this video and the game officially dropped. I agree 1000000% with everything you said and more. I think the most frustrating and inexcusable thing is to LOSE functionality. Why would you not want to propel everything forward, to BUILD upon all the progress of the past? No security guards?!? It’s like we’re back at the dawn of PlanCo1 with no staff management functions! I can only assume they plan on reintroducing them in a future update but, as you so aptly put it: whhhyyyyyy?!?!
Also it is disappointing to me that there are SOOOO many incredible objects and plants in zoo that could all just be brought right on over, but they haven’t. Like, just bring EVERYTHING over. I want literally all of the plants. I’m not even kidding.
Just Canceled my preorder. Thanks for the heads up. I lost all respect from Frontier. They went hard on the marketing with switch tracks and drop tracks. They even did a stream yesterday about it. The Fact it’s only on 2 coasters that are basically the same is terrible and very misleading. They tried to pull a fast one on the community and I don’t like being lied to.
Yes I really dislike. They could've said they started on both rides and add more later. I'd be okay with this. But leaving people in the dark.
I already planned my minetrain and can get rid of it now
Oh no…. Anyway. The community will continue without you now. You’ll be missed.
@@ErwinPPPwhy do the “fans” always defend the game. They don’t take you guys serious because you just take everything that they give you. That’s why the game is so bad
@ Frontier could spit in your face and you would say thank you
Why are you being to stupid to cancel your order of the game its going to be miles ahead of the original
Another problem I see is that there are no exit pools. If you go to any swimming park, you'll see small exit pools that you can't enter from the ground. They're meant as a splash zone for slides. Now you see cims entering anywhere they want. You should be able to set up rules for every pool. Even things like age restrictions. Or age recommendations.
The water effects not being physics-based are the reason I won't be buying this game at this time. Also, the UI being console-based is a deterrent.
Hey lieber Rudi,
gibt's denn schon ein Fazit zum full Release oder muss das noch reifen?
Bin stark am überlegen ob ich es mir überhaupt hole, weil die Meinungen ja sehr auseinander gehen.
Habe nicht mitbekommen ob du ein review/Fazit Video für das Spiel geplant hast.
Grüße gehen raus ✌🏼
The glass is so sad and the difficulty of switching the building menus is annoying af, but the glass just hurts my souls. And the way paths and pools interact and you almost cant place paths next to curved pools.
The game was clearly made for console at the forefront and PC second. I'm sure the Planet Coaster sales for PS5 and Xbox were a lot more than they got on PC because the game can reach a wider audience that way. That's why they added more blueprints and tried to make them look decent, because it's hard to build on a console, and not a large amount of console players want to spend hours making one detailed build. It sucks they couldn't have made a PC version. 😞😞 I feel like the game looks rushed, and if they did any open beta testing or anything beforehand, they would maybe have time to address their issues; Issues that are super apparent to all your consumers now, a week before it releases.
Is it worth getting for pc right now or stick with pc1?
Only a minute into the video and I'm lovin' the approach. lol But it's the only way to get improvements!
6000 guest limit... Instead of fixing the biggest problem of the first game, they just put a limit on.... No wonder they never talked about it, because they did nothing about it! Expect again low fps if it goes above those 6000 guests....
I have so appreciated your videos on this. It has actually had me refund my preorder and do the wait and see. Your information has been so incredibly helpful as I fear disappointment and for the cost of the preorder I want to be sure. Thanks Rudi, look forward to more.
Would like to see the devs explaining the reasons (because there is always a reason) so we know the limitations and motives better. I do hope they improve the game along the dls in the future
Is there a smoothing option for waterslides as well or is it only for coasters?