How is Watchmen not on here? Ozymandias first killed the Comedian, killed millions of people, blamed the genocide on Dr. Manhattan and created world peace as a result. I'd say the villain won.
okama king but really do villains or main antagonists ever really consider themselves as such? Ozymandias isn't a cliché comic book villain and stated this himself. His plan was foolproof... He took his superhero persona and went public and became a billionaire in the process.
Sidney Mosley technically although he died,didn't rorscach win because his journal was taken to the press and it has everything in it that proves Adrian committed all those crimes and it's assumed it will be published but I also see where you are coming from , in the end the war is stopped and pretty much everyone dies...Rip Rorscach
+LOGAN Reviews that's true, but the journal was sent to a conspiracy newpaper, so even though it'll be published the majority of people would brush it off as being a utty conspiracy theory anyway
Robert Follows plus Ozymandias covered his track so well that all of the rest of the Watchmen EVEN DR. MANHATTAN didn't know he was behind everything until the last minute, and even then it was too late... Sure it's look on perspective on who hero's and villain's are and in truth everyone is the protagonist of their own lives, but Ozymandias in his and Night Owls own words "killed millions to save billions." What's more is that he basically got away with it with no major repercussions upon himself...
I have watched the dark knight over a hundred times and Heath Ledgers Joker is still by far the best villain perfamance of all time. I never get tired of watching his brilliant performance and it makes me wish he was still with us. RIP Best joker of all time :'(
+M94 Production I had my counts when I first saw the new joker, but from what I saw in the most recent trailer he looks like he might actually do a pretty good job. He seems more like the video game joker
"Captain America: Civil War." Helmut Zemo is the only MCU villain who actually won in his film. His whole plan was to avenge his family's deaths by getting the Avengers to destroy themselves as a team, and he succeeded just through his smarts and improvisation. The only thing he didn't get to do was cap off his victory with a suicide.
I thought the whole thing was going to be a joke. That which ever boat hit the button would actually blow themselves up, which of course would be the normal people, ironically displaying humanity of the convicts.
That's exactly where I thought it was headed, too (for all we know, it might have been the plan), and I would have found that resolution both more believable and satisfying. The non-convicts did vote to kill all of the convicts, and the prison guard did hand the detonator over to the prisoner thinking he would trigger it, suggesting that the Joker was absolutely correct about people. The ultimate refusal to detonate broke my suspension of disbelief, because things like the Milgram experiment show that in reality many ordinary people are willing to kill others, even in relatively mundane circumstances (while it directly measures authoritarian deference, the experiment demonstrates that people don't have anywhere near the objection to killing others that the movie suggests, as does our history of warfare).
John H -- Then maybe you should do a Wikipedia search for "nuclear close calls". There's been about a dozen times _that we know about_ when the fate of the world came down to one man deciding to proverbially "throw out the detonator" like the convict did in the Dark Knight. We *do* have it within us to rise to our better angels on occasion.
It ultimately didn't matter if one of the ships was blown up. Batman killed Dent, Batman was blamed for the murders, Gotham lost their White Knight and by Dark Knight Rises, Dent's legacy is destroyed. The Joker's plan of destroying the Batman was achieved
No Country For Old Men is another good one. Chigurh is just monstrous but walks (or limps) away without any comeuppance. I know he gets hit by the car at the end but not only does he survive, it's also his own fault. :P Ex Machina is also a fantastic example of twist endings with the bad guy escaping.
+IMO Critic I was going to say both of those moves, but I thought I'd check out the comments first to see if anyone else already had. Really surprised that No Country For Old Men was not on the list. As for Ex Machina, I keep running into people who see the robot as the "good guy."
+Betty Ford That's the great thing about Ex Machina. Totally blurs the line between good and bad for all the characters, though Oscar Isaac's character is pretty messed up. :P
1. Texas Chainsaw Massacre The Beginning - literally all of the protagonists were killed by the end of the movie. 2. The wife in Gone Girl 3. The robot girl Ava in EX-MACHINA (if you considered her the villian) 4. The Emperor in Revenge of the Sith & Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back 5. Jigsaw in SAW 6. Xerces in 300 There's probably more I can't think of at the moment....
I agree I discovered it by chance and loved it. I think part of the problem is the political context dates it. It revovles around the idea that the US government want us to believe there is no organised terroism and bombings are the work of crazy individuals a plausible allegation about the Clinton administration but since 9/11 the issue is quite the opposite
+adel sabbah being the main character doesn't make them a good guy. Walter White isn't a good guy. The narrator in Fight Club isn't a good guy. They're complex characters and the stories are told from their POV to make you sympathize with them, but they aren't good people.
I personally think The Gift (2015) should be on this list. The ending of that movie is too poetically beautiful and the fact that it is still ambiguous at the end makes it even better.
How about Monty Python and the Holy Grail?I guess the French Taunters aren't quite on the level of Hannibal Lector. But they DID dump feces on the protagonist ...
That wasn't his plan. His plan was to get to Asgard. Look at the end of The Dark World. He's the one sitting on the throne. Like he had planned from the beginning
Where's Alex in A Clockwork Orange? "I was cured alright..." The Joker wins?? What utter nonsense. The people refuse to play his game, Batman catches him alive, he ends up in a padded cell to an existence worse than death and everything goes back to normal. Joker neutralized = threat gone. He didn't escape. He didn't succeed in creating a total chaos with people killing each other like he wanted - meaning he couldn't even prove the puerile bullcrap about chaos he believed in as if that was some great revelation. He didn't even go down guns blazing, but got caught alive. To rot in an insane asylum. He destroyed Harvey Dent? Listen, nobody gives a crap about some bland district attorney in a world inhabited with superheroes like Batman and dozen of others looking to pick up the baton. There's a crap load of attorneys fresh out of school every 6 months, how the heck is he irreplaceable? He only did the job he was supposed to. Harvey Dent wasn't frickin' Atticus Finch, not even close. He went on a killing rampage in the middle of chaos (everybody was none the wiser) killing a few mobsters and crooked police officers and that's *destroying* him? Most people would root for him doing that especially considering in the manner he lost his fiance and literally his face. He snapped due to perfectly understandable reasons and people would hate him out of the blue? Unbelievable. The emperor's new clothes.
Harvey Dent was The White Knight, the hero that Batman could never be. It's why Bruce threw the fundraiser and why he wanted to quit being Batman; because Harvey was the real hero. Joker took that hero and "Brought him down to our level". Their level being madness. He destroyed Gotham's hero and turned him to a life of chaos because "the thing about chaos: it's fair."
+McLarenMercedes You missed the point entirely. At the end of the film, Batman had 2 options, either be the muderer or tell the city of Gotham the truth about their White Knight, he himself admits to murdering people and he is on a run ..... Joker wins either way :P
I'm not sure people really understand so here goes, the Joker is on the list & number 1 for a really good reason. The dark knight trilogy must be watched in it entirety to understand the clowns genius. Begins sets up our heroes origins but also sets up Gotham city, for decades it was a hive of crime & corruption. Bent & paid off cops, lawyers, judges, commissioners, mayors etc. In The Dark Knight we are presented with a city a few years later where crime has ran in fear as a bat has been assisting the police in capturing and punishing them. In comes Harvey Dent, the new rising DA that is the first lawyer in decades to do his job right. As was quoted by Wayne he was the first legitimate ray of light in Gotham in decades. The citizens looked to him as the example, looked to him as the hero to clean up the city within the limits of the law as our government has founded. Batman acted outside the law and answered to no one, a vigilante breaking the law just as his victims did. The jokers plan to push everyone into madness or to show that even the best hero could be corrupted was achieved twice. Though the plan with the civilian/prisoner ferry fell and was captured alive by Batman, joker still came out victorious by destroying Dent. However for the city to continue on its light law abiding path Batman took the blame so Dents image could remain clean. Eight years later enters Bane, who not only attempts to finish Ra's al Ghul's plan to destroy Gotham but finishes Jokers, taking the perfect image of Dent and exposing his disgusting evil half to the citizens who believed in him so much. The saying goes "if you can make god bleed then people stop believing in him." Dent's exposure drive the city into Bane's hands, rioting ensues, the city's closed off, robberies, executions, etc. Bane gave the city that final push that was set up by joker thus the clowns second and complete victory.
Adam!! I've just watched the Saw movies and I also think that John Kramer, the first Jigsaw, is also one of this bad guys that ended winning... I think that it can be included 'cause I find more Philosophical content in the first two Saw movies, and I think they are really really good!! (sorry for my English, I'm not native at all!) Thank you!
in my opinion Oldboy was mostly about that there is no hero and there is no villain...both men had their purpose to have revenge on each other because this was the only thing left for them(at least Li woo jin).
In Bruce's speech to Jim Gordon at the end of TDK, he says, "But the Joker cannot win". In his mind, winning meant the reveal to the public that Harvey had become a villain. That part doesn't happen, until the third movie. During the scene in which said reveal happens, I imagined the Joker in his cell or the rec. room at Arkham (if they have one), watching the report on television and giving a victorious, maniacal laugh.
+MotherAce he's just doing his job. are you automatically a bad guy because you take pride in your work, you're very good at it, and you keep your promises? i don't think so. i think llewellyn is the bad guy for stealing the money in the first place.
What about Return of the Jedi where the rebel terrorists attack and destroy a government ship and murder the two highest ranking heads of the State in hopes of overthrowing the government?
Malachy Lewis And yet they stupidly put The Dark Knight on here where Joker failed to taint the image of Arkham's White Knight, Dent. , like he had planned because they pinned it on Batman instead.
Another thing you might have missed when you listed the jokers win is at some point he tells batman he's going to make him break his one rule. That rule being never to kill. And by the end of the movie (spoilers I guess?) batman ends up pushing Harvey off the building to his instant death. The joker won twice.
+Max D. Such a badass movie.. it reminds me of real life trolling you to wake up from your fantasies. "Oh look! Another heroic tale of a cowboy trying to stop an EVIL greedy Villain! -wait wait what? 0_0 Nope, nope, nevermind oh SHIT fuck no nevermind " it's a film that is close to what actual life is like then any other film, it's not about good or bad winning.... it's just about winning. and if the good dies? well, *chuckles* There is no country for old men.
The Parallax View starring Warren Beatty from 1974. The bad guys win in the end, and Arlington Road which was included in this list copied it's plot twist.
I disagree with the Joker. He managed to turn one good man evil but he failed to break the human spirit of the people on the ferries which was the climax of the movie. The Harvey Dent stuff after was just the wrap up.
+Pyrolight No way! Harvey Dent was his masterpiece. Look at the fallout from it - Batman has to be wrongly accused and chased for murdering Dent for years, putting him out of action. They manage to clean up Gotham using Dent's memory to motivate the people/politicians to stand up to the criminals... And then it all goes to shit because Gordon's/Batman's lie is revealed and Bane is able to take over Gotham and hold it hostage. It's only by the barest of margins that Gotham isn't a smoking hole in the ground at the end of the trilogy, and that's basically all because of the Joker and the fact he DID succeed in tearing down Dent and destroying his legacy. Their lie to save Dent's legacy ends up almost costing them everything. If they hadn't been able to sell the lie about Dent, that's it - there is no cleanup of Gotham, and Batman/Commissioner Gordon lose as the city continues to slide into corruption. Joker's success at destroying Harvey Dent is literally the most important thing that happens in the entire trilogy.
Joker have always win and his victory even extends to TDKR. Remember in Joker's interrogation he said "See, their morals, their code... it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you, when the chips are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other." People started doing whatever they want once Bane took control of the city
While that is one interpretation, it really had little to go on considering the entire film only hinged at the very end. The one thing that the Joker concedes is that the Batman was able to win one battle and catch him - saying that Gotham will always be the same - the Joker corrupted one person the most important person that would change Gotham for good, but now that he is gone, Gotham will never change, it will remain corrupt, dark and destructive. Batman will never win - he will always be fighting the Joker.
The bad guys don't really win in that movie. Just reveal interesting plot details. Just like the good guys didn't really win in Return of the Jedi, just destroyed one big ship.
Yes it comes first!! Maybe They mean the order the movies were made? Red Dragon was made after the Silence of the Lambs but the story takes place before
Popcicle kitty Yeah probably but its still wrong lol. And anyway Manhunter was the first Hannibal film made and is the adaptation of Red Dragon but they changed the name so people didn't confuse it with a Martial Arts film, also it didn't have Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal it had Brian Cox
Reece Crossley Then they remade Manhunter with Red Dragon and used the books name as the title. Also this time they got some of the same actors as The Silence of the Lambs to play in Red Dragon, such as Anthony Hopkins. Tell me if I am correct because I haven't seen the film of Red Dragon I have only read the book.
I always thought that Joker only obtained a partial victory. He did seriously hurt Batman by killing Rachel and he did turn Harvey Dent into Two Face BUT despite Rachel's death, Batman still stopped him and it wasn't until the streets of Gotham had been rid of organized crime that the truth about Dent was revealed. And so, ok, Joker did force Batman into hiding because he took the blame for Two Face's crimes and he did turn Dent into a bad guy but he didn't accomplish his main goal, which was to create anarchy in Gotham. Again, by the time of the events of The Dark Knight Rises, the streets of Gotham were completely clean, the opposite of what Joker wanted.
I suppose in the dark knight rises bane completed what the joker set out to do which was to create chaos and bane revealing it was Harvey dent who was a murderer showing that anyone can fall to insanity
I must be one of the few people on the planet who really liked OHMSS. You can say what you want about Lazenby's acting, but neither Connery nor Moore could've pulled off how Lazenby handled the very delicate ending of the film.
+IceBreaker5021 yes, they are. But the plot of this movie is aliens vs humans. Smith and Goldblum were just two of many others citizens of the world. I'm pretty sure he means the American as a nation, not those two characters (because he said America won). And that's the mistake. But if I'm wrong, and he means Americans as those two leading characters, that's pretty stupid comment too, because if the character is villain just because he's American, in that case won the villain in 99% of Hollywood movies. So LLAP :)
+Justin Tompkins not really, i guess he lost everything. yes, he got a little redemption, by going bowling with eli, but he lost H.W, someone who was everything to him, look how furious he was, as he told him, he had his own buisness. in the end, he is just a lonely rich man, with no friends or family and a bloody boling alley...
ET. The alien spy is able to "phone" his fleet with the information about earth. The Thing: One of MacReady or Childs is defiantly "thingy" Blade Runner: Roy shows that its us makeing it so they die too soon that is stopping replicants from learning compasion and empathy
Empire Strikes Back. Luke gets his hand cut off and learns that his father was the bad guy all along, Han ends up frozen in a block of metal, Lando loses his city and the rebels get thrown out of their base; I can't believe that this wasn't on the list.
Terminator 3 , the entire world pretty much explodes, I'd call that a win for the bad guy XD But you had that one in another video about "bad" movies w/ good endings :P
If you think everyone involved in the scheme of "Wild Things" (however convoluted it is) are villains, then there you go. Suzy gets away scott free on a boat on an island somewhere, having killed the guidance counselor she caught cheating, the popular girl she hated*, and the cop who put her in prison, and during which she faked her own death so no one would ever think to look for her. All while conning a boat load of money from the popular girl's rich mother. *Well, technically the cop killed her, but if he'd let her live she was gonna kill her anyway, so...
Nice list. I was expecting to see The Great Silence or The Watchmen (though Ozymandias is actually the hero) but you can always make another list, right?
You missed out one of the best parts about the Joker. One of his goals throughout the film was to get Batman to break his only rule, which is that of not killing anybody. At the very end of the film, the Joker has corrupted Dent to such a point where Batman is forced between killing him or letting Jim Gordon's family die. I mean, it's obvious killing Dent was the right thing to do, but the fact that Joker manipulated Batman, Dent and even Gordon to such an extent to achieve his goal of getting Batman to kill makes him even more brilliant in my books.
+David B. You can't take the middle movie in a trilogy into consideration. The ending of Empire was pretty much "To Be Continued". The ending of Empire WASN'T an ending by design. It was a cliffhanger.
How is Watchmen not on here? Ozymandias first killed the Comedian, killed millions of people, blamed the genocide on Dr. Manhattan and created world peace as a result. I'd say the villain won.
watchmen doesnt have a villain just a number of peopel with different ideas on how to maintain peace
okama king but really do villains or main antagonists ever really consider themselves as such? Ozymandias isn't a cliché comic book villain and stated this himself. His plan was foolproof... He took his superhero persona and went public and became a billionaire in the process.
Sidney Mosley technically although he died,didn't rorscach win because his journal was taken to the press and it has everything in it that proves Adrian committed all those crimes and it's assumed it will be published but I also see where you are coming from , in the end the war is stopped and pretty much everyone dies...Rip Rorscach
+LOGAN Reviews that's true, but the journal was sent to a conspiracy newpaper, so even though it'll be published the majority of people would brush it off as being a utty conspiracy theory anyway
Robert Follows plus Ozymandias covered his track so well that all of the rest of the Watchmen EVEN DR. MANHATTAN didn't know he was behind everything until the last minute, and even then it was too late... Sure it's look on perspective on who hero's and villain's are and in truth everyone is the protagonist of their own lives, but Ozymandias in his and Night Owls own words "killed millions to save billions." What's more is that he basically got away with it with no major repercussions upon himself...
I have watched the dark knight over a hundred times and Heath Ledgers Joker is still by far the best villain perfamance of all time. I never get tired of watching his brilliant performance and it makes me wish he was still with us. RIP Best joker of all time :'(
+M94 Production I had my counts when I first saw the new joker, but from what I saw in the most recent trailer he looks like he might actually do a pretty good job. He seems more like the video game joker
I loved Heath Ledger the absolute best joker of allllll time
Revenge of the Sith. The bad guys won big time in that awesome movie!
+TheFluttershyFan Yeah, but in the overall story ark they lost.
+Hunter Brown The empire STILL exists tho.
"awesome"
You're gonna catch a lot of flak for that "awesome movie" line
Yeah man, George Lucas fucked up everybody
I never understood The Usual Suspects, if Kevin Spacey was Keyser Soze, why does the cop receive a picture of Phil Colllins by fax?
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hahaha. well done sir. well done indeed.
hahahaha
+myTheus He didn't care anymore.
Bra-VO, sir.
"Captain America: Civil War." Helmut Zemo is the only MCU villain who actually won in his film. His whole plan was to avenge his family's deaths by getting the Avengers to destroy themselves as a team, and he succeeded just through his smarts and improvisation. The only thing he didn't get to do was cap off his victory with a suicide.
How? Cap and Bucky are hiding out in Wakanda
Nik B. Cap was just dropping off Bucky to be frozen again, he's not hiding there
Also, he'll probably pick up a new shield there, as Wakanda is the only place in world where you can get vibranium.
Yet failed to get them to destroy themselves..... how exactly did he win then?
Anthony J he separated them, broke them up. There by destroying the avengers. Not to mention he turned the people against them
If one of the cruise ships blew the other up, Joker's victory would really have been complete. And Bruce's faith in Gotham would have been shattered.
I thought the whole thing was going to be a joke. That which ever boat hit the button would actually blow themselves up, which of course would be the normal people, ironically displaying humanity of the convicts.
That's exactly where I thought it was headed, too (for all we know, it might have been the plan), and I would have found that resolution both more believable and satisfying. The non-convicts did vote to kill all of the convicts, and the prison guard did hand the detonator over to the prisoner thinking he would trigger it, suggesting that the Joker was absolutely correct about people. The ultimate refusal to detonate broke my suspension of disbelief, because things like the Milgram experiment show that in reality many ordinary people are willing to kill others, even in relatively mundane circumstances (while it directly measures authoritarian deference, the experiment demonstrates that people don't have anywhere near the objection to killing others that the movie suggests, as does our history of warfare).
John H -- Then maybe you should do a Wikipedia search for "nuclear close calls". There's been about a dozen times _that we know about_ when the fate of the world came down to one man deciding to proverbially "throw out the detonator" like the convict did in the Dark Knight. We *do* have it within us to rise to our better angels on occasion.
Jason Blackwell And that's why it's one of the best films ever made
It ultimately didn't matter if one of the ships was blown up. Batman killed Dent, Batman was blamed for the murders, Gotham lost their White Knight and by Dark Knight Rises, Dent's legacy is destroyed. The Joker's plan of destroying the Batman was achieved
No Country For Old Men?
He tried to do different baddies from different movies than were in other lists of the same name on other channels like watchmojo or screen rant
I mean, isn't The Dark Knight in every damn list?
He got executed at the very end they just didnt show it he didnt win
No Country For Old Men is another good one. Chigurh is just monstrous but walks (or limps) away without any comeuppance. I know he gets hit by the car at the end but not only does he survive, it's also his own fault. :P
Ex Machina is also a fantastic example of twist endings with the bad guy escaping.
+IMO Critic I was going to say both of those moves, but I thought I'd check out the comments first to see if anyone else already had. Really surprised that No Country For Old Men was not on the list. As for Ex Machina, I keep running into people who see the robot as the "good guy."
+Betty Ford That's the great thing about Ex Machina. Totally blurs the line between good and bad for all the characters, though Oscar Isaac's character is pretty messed up. :P
1. Texas Chainsaw Massacre The Beginning - literally all of the protagonists were killed by the end of the movie.
2. The wife in Gone Girl
3. The robot girl Ava in EX-MACHINA (if you considered her the villian)
4. The Emperor in Revenge of the Sith & Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back
5. Jigsaw in SAW
6. Xerces in 300
There's probably more I can't think of at the moment....
Finally, someone who mentions horror movies ;)
The emperor doesn't really count since he dies in the last one
Herald Stephacont True. A part of a trilogy should never count as a stand-alone movie!
Anton in No Country for Old Men?
The evil witch slaves in the skeleton key
Watchmojo < WhatCulture
+ShockwaveXd619 Yeah, no shit.
+ShockwaveXd619 Before watching this I was about to make a joke about yer claim!
+ShockwaveXd619 Watchmojo is more popular but they tell so many false facts and they don't even do correct researchs about the movies
Randy Orton RKO We have Adam!!
WhatCulture is the gay British version
Anton Chigur, No Country for Old Men
+Turbo9987 Not including him is a travesty.
+Turbo9987 Hear hear
Jesus how was he not included
Turbo9987 absolutely should have been #1.
Swordfish, Thomas Crown Affair, Oldboy, Nightcrawler, Gone Girl, Layer Cake, London Boulevard, Small Apartments, Titanic (damn iceberg!)
which oldboy??? (k or A????
Avengers: Infinity War.
Man, Arlington Road just never gets enough credit. Great film.
I agree I discovered it by chance and loved it. I think part of the problem is the political context dates it. It revovles around the idea that the US government want us to believe there is no organised terroism and bombings are the work of crazy individuals a plausible allegation about the Clinton administration but since 9/11 the issue is quite the opposite
Here's 2 more; The jake Gylenhaal character in Night Crawler and the John Huston character in Chinatown.
Nice one, but might as well forget it Greg, it's Chinatown.
+john mac true!! ledger was just EPIC! and so was gyllenhaal in nightcrawler and he got snubbed at the oscars...
Yup, they left out Chinatown. *CHINATOWN*
Ugh, Gyllenhaal's performance in Nightcrawler makes my skin crawl, no pun intended. He's like a fucking human coyote.
Yeah, but he was great in the part.
Two of my favourites didn't make the list.
Fight Club and Nightcrawler.
+Straddllw in fight club technically the good guy won.
+adel sabbah the narrator wasn't "the good guy" lmao did you even watch the movie
+Carlee yes I did. to me the main character is the "good guy". say in breaking bad . would you want anyone else than walter to win
+adel sabbah being the main character doesn't make them a good guy. Walter White isn't a good guy. The narrator in Fight Club isn't a good guy. They're complex characters and the stories are told from their POV to make you sympathize with them, but they aren't good people.
+Carlee good point. I guess you're right
I personally think The Gift (2015) should be on this list. The ending of that movie is too poetically beautiful and the fact that it is still ambiguous at the end makes it even better.
How about Monty Python and the Holy Grail?I guess the French Taunters aren't quite on the level of Hannibal Lector. But they DID dump feces on the protagonist ...
D'oh.
Need to add *SPOILERS * Baron Zemo from Civil War
Kind of
+Chowder12345able He did, he widened the gap that was already there between the Avengers
Loki from Avengers
Joshua Smith No. His invasion was stopped and he was taken prisoner back in Asgard.
That wasn't his plan. His plan was to get to Asgard. Look at the end of The Dark World. He's the one sitting on the throne. Like he had planned from the beginning
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Honorable mention: The Others. That was a twist for the ages.
Where's Alex in A Clockwork Orange? "I was cured alright..."
The Joker wins?? What utter nonsense. The people refuse to play his game, Batman catches him alive, he ends up in a padded cell to an existence worse than death and everything goes back to normal. Joker neutralized = threat gone.
He didn't escape.
He didn't succeed in creating a total chaos with people killing each other like he wanted - meaning he couldn't even prove the puerile bullcrap about chaos he believed in as if that was some great revelation.
He didn't even go down guns blazing, but got caught alive. To rot in an insane asylum.
He destroyed Harvey Dent? Listen, nobody gives a crap about some bland district attorney in a world inhabited with superheroes like Batman and dozen of others looking to pick up the baton. There's a crap load of attorneys fresh out of school every 6 months, how the heck is he irreplaceable? He only did the job he was supposed to. Harvey Dent wasn't frickin' Atticus Finch, not even close.
He went on a killing rampage in the middle of chaos (everybody was none the wiser) killing a few mobsters and crooked police officers and that's *destroying* him? Most people would root for him doing that especially considering in the manner he lost his fiance and literally his face. He snapped due to perfectly understandable reasons and people would hate him out of the blue? Unbelievable. The emperor's new clothes.
Harvey Dent was The White Knight, the hero that Batman could never be. It's why Bruce threw the fundraiser and why he wanted to quit being Batman; because Harvey was the real hero. Joker took that hero and "Brought him down to our level". Their level being madness. He destroyed Gotham's hero and turned him to a life of chaos because "the thing about chaos: it's fair."
+McLarenMercedes
You missed the point entirely. At the end of the film, Batman had 2 options, either be the muderer or tell the city of Gotham the truth about their White Knight, he himself admits to murdering people and he is on a run ..... Joker wins either way :P
I'm not sure people really understand so here goes, the Joker is on the list & number 1 for a really good reason. The dark knight trilogy must be watched in it entirety to understand the clowns genius. Begins sets up our heroes origins but also sets up Gotham city, for decades it was a hive of crime & corruption. Bent & paid off cops, lawyers, judges, commissioners, mayors etc. In The Dark Knight we are presented with a city a few years later where crime has ran in fear as a bat has been assisting the police in capturing and punishing them. In comes Harvey Dent, the new rising DA that is the first lawyer in decades to do his job right. As was quoted by Wayne he was the first legitimate ray of light in Gotham in decades. The citizens looked to him as the example, looked to him as the hero to clean up the city within the limits of the law as our government has founded. Batman acted outside the law and answered to no one, a vigilante breaking the law just as his victims did. The jokers plan to push everyone into madness or to show that even the best hero could be corrupted was achieved twice. Though the plan with the civilian/prisoner ferry fell and was captured alive by Batman, joker still came out victorious by destroying Dent. However for the city to continue on its light law abiding path Batman took the blame so Dents image could remain clean. Eight years later enters Bane, who not only attempts to finish Ra's al Ghul's plan to destroy Gotham but finishes Jokers, taking the perfect image of Dent and exposing his disgusting evil half to the citizens who believed in him so much. The saying goes "if you can make god bleed then people stop believing in him." Dent's exposure drive the city into Bane's hands, rioting ensues, the city's closed off, robberies, executions, etc. Bane gave the city that final push that was set up by joker thus the clowns second and complete victory.
Adam!! I've just watched the Saw movies and I also think that John Kramer, the first Jigsaw, is also one of this bad guys that ended winning... I think that it can be included 'cause I find more Philosophical content in the first two Saw movies, and I think they are really really good!! (sorry for my English, I'm not native at all!) Thank you!
what about oldboy?
That's what I came here to say
in my opinion Oldboy was mostly about that there is no hero and there is no villain...both men had their purpose to have revenge on each other because this was the only thing left for them(at least Li woo jin).
In Bruce's speech to Jim Gordon at the end of TDK, he says, "But the Joker cannot win". In his mind, winning meant the reveal to the public that Harvey had become a villain. That part doesn't happen, until the third movie. During the scene in which said reveal happens, I imagined the Joker in his cell or the rec. room at Arkham (if they have one), watching the report on television and giving a victorious, maniacal laugh.
he called gwyneth paltrow "pepper potts" 😂😂
what about anton chigurh in "no country for old men"?. if you consider him a bad guy.
That was the first that came to mind
I still dont get the end of that film lol
+daneg007 how is a near-perfect sociopath like Anton Chigurh not gonna be considered a bad guy?
+Ving Rhames so good
+MotherAce he's just doing his job. are you automatically a bad guy because you take pride in your work, you're very good at it, and you keep your promises? i don't think so. i think llewellyn is the bad guy for stealing the money in the first place.
What about Return of the Jedi where the rebel terrorists attack and destroy a government ship and murder the two highest ranking heads of the State in hopes of overthrowing the government?
Bad Bait. Nobody thinks *all* governments are _"good"_ or _"bad"_.
+Yatsura2
You're kidding, right?
EVA_Unit_4A
No Im not, this bait was really bad.
5:01 Adam's EXCELLENT Hurricane impression
Star Wars Episode 5: Empire Strikes Back
Seriously, how could you not mention this one???
***** Still the end of the movie so it counts. Just like the Dark Knight wasn't the end of the trilogy :P
***** True. I guess it comes down to whether or not we are look at each movie as an individual or taking trilogies & full franchises into question
savagenature1 Darth Vader's goal was to capture Luke and seduce him to the Dark Side. He fails to do this, so no, the bad guys do not win.
Malachy Lewis
Perhaps but he did win on other fronts. The Hoth base, for example was completely destroyed
Malachy Lewis And yet they stupidly put The Dark Knight on here where Joker failed to taint the image of Arkham's White Knight, Dent. , like he had planned because they pinned it on Batman instead.
Another thing you might have missed when you listed the jokers win is at some point he tells batman he's going to make him break his one rule. That rule being never to kill. And by the end of the movie (spoilers I guess?) batman ends up pushing Harvey off the building to his instant death. The joker won twice.
Oh God, I LOVED Me, Myself, and Irene
+TheNewMillenium Such a great movie
"........pepper potts head was in the box......" OMG that killed me lol!!!!
Hell yeah! #1 is excellent and I also think it's the best movie of all time!
Why didn't you do 10 movies? It isn't as though though there's any shortage of movies where the bad guy wins.
laziness..
No Country For Old Men? Chigurh gets away with the money, the sheriff retires, and the main good guy dies.
+Max D. I was waiting for it too!
+Max D. Did the bad guy win in that movie? He did not accomplish his goal as far as I remember.
user25505 He killed everyone whom he believed had to die, and he got the money he was hired to get. I'd say he won.
+Max D. I'd say he loses. His last kill in the movie points to it.
+Max D. Such a badass movie.. it reminds me of real life trolling you to wake up from your fantasies.
"Oh look! Another heroic tale of a cowboy trying to stop an EVIL greedy Villain! -wait wait what? 0_0 Nope, nope, nevermind oh SHIT fuck no nevermind "
it's a film that is close to what actual life is like then any other film, it's not about good or bad winning.... it's just about winning. and if the good dies? well, *chuckles*
There is no country for old men.
That's quite a good Joker impression you got there, considering it's just casually thrown in in a UA-cam-Ranking-Video. Props to you!
The Parallax View starring Warren Beatty from 1974. The bad guys win in the end, and Arlington Road which was included in this list copied it's plot twist.
"A little extra cheese on the taco" haha 😂😂😂 Jim Carry is raw. lol.
I disagree with the Joker. He managed to turn one good man evil but he failed to break the human spirit of the people on the ferries which was the climax of the movie. The Harvey Dent stuff after was just the wrap up.
+Pyrolight No way! Harvey Dent was his masterpiece. Look at the fallout from it - Batman has to be wrongly accused and chased for murdering Dent for years, putting him out of action. They manage to clean up Gotham using Dent's memory to motivate the people/politicians to stand up to the criminals...
And then it all goes to shit because Gordon's/Batman's lie is revealed and Bane is able to take over Gotham and hold it hostage. It's only by the barest of margins that Gotham isn't a smoking hole in the ground at the end of the trilogy, and that's basically all because of the Joker and the fact he DID succeed in tearing down Dent and destroying his legacy. Their lie to save Dent's legacy ends up almost costing them everything. If they hadn't been able to sell the lie about Dent, that's it - there is no cleanup of Gotham, and Batman/Commissioner Gordon lose as the city continues to slide into corruption.
Joker's success at destroying Harvey Dent is literally the most important thing that happens in the entire trilogy.
Dan Lorett, beat me to it! That's exactly what I was thinking.
Joker have always win and his victory even extends to TDKR. Remember in Joker's interrogation he said "See, their morals, their code... it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you, when the chips are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other." People started doing whatever they want once Bane took control of the city
While that is one interpretation, it really had little to go on considering the entire film only hinged at the very end. The one thing that the Joker concedes is that the Batman was able to win one battle and catch him - saying that Gotham will always be the same - the Joker corrupted one person the most important person that would change Gotham for good, but now that he is gone, Gotham will never change, it will remain corrupt, dark and destructive. Batman will never win - he will always be fighting the Joker.
Man, I forgot #1 had such a boring ending. Probably because the first 3/4 are awesome and full of memorable moments.
You forgot Matt Damon's character in The Talented Mr Ripley!
The Gift better be on this list, that ending literally drove Jason Bateman's character insane and made him cry hysterically.
The Empire Strikes Back anyone?
I KNOW
The bad guys don't really win in that movie. Just reveal interesting plot details. Just like the good guys didn't really win in Return of the Jedi, just destroyed one big ship.
Empire ends in pretty much a draw. The Rebels successfully escape Hoth, and Vader's plan to capture and turn Luke fails.
Boba Fett won.
Yeah
You forgot No Country For Old Men.
Jeepers creepers made my day when I first went to see it.
Two to add to the list: No Country for Old Men and the Talented Mr. Ripley. Two great films!
I thought Swordfish had a good ending with both the bad guy and good guy winning.
*_2:40_**_ BUBBLES! Where are you cats Bubbles?_*
No Country For Old Men, Gone Girl, Nightcrawler, Oldboy?
Oldboy is the shit! Love that movie :D
+That One Guy's Irregularly Long Username The original of course??
Of fuggin' course I meant the original :D
Love The Hurricane "what's up with that" and Marvel reference within 2 seconds of each other!
Can I just say that Red Dragon isn't a sequel, its actually the first book
Yes it comes first!!
Maybe They mean the order the movies were made? Red Dragon was made after the Silence of the Lambs but the story takes place before
Popcicle kitty Yeah probably but its still wrong lol. And anyway Manhunter was the first Hannibal film made and is the adaptation of Red Dragon but they changed the name so people didn't confuse it with a Martial Arts film, also it didn't have Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal it had Brian Cox
Reece Crossley Then they remade Manhunter with Red Dragon and used the books name as the title. Also this time they got some of the same actors as The Silence of the Lambs to play in Red Dragon, such as Anthony Hopkins. Tell me if I am correct because I haven't seen the film of Red Dragon I have only read the book.
Popcicle kitty Yeah they did, also I think the story is more accurate to the book
Wasn't Silence Of The Lambs originally a sequel to Manhunter (the first adaption of red Dragon)? ;)
You make my lunch that much better man. Thanks
Am I to early for ROMAN REIGNS
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Excellent choice of movies and a great review on the merits of each one to be pick for the topic!!!!
Oh Adam. :D
Oh the Usual Suspects
I'm surprised Fallen wasn't on this list. That is the one movie that pops to my mind when you talk about the bad guy winning.
How could Fight Club not make this list?
I always thought that Joker only obtained a partial victory. He did seriously hurt Batman by killing Rachel and he did turn Harvey Dent into Two Face BUT despite Rachel's death, Batman still stopped him and it wasn't until the streets of Gotham had been rid of organized crime that the truth about Dent was revealed. And so, ok, Joker did force Batman into hiding because he took the blame for Two Face's crimes and he did turn Dent into a bad guy but he didn't accomplish his main goal, which was to create anarchy in Gotham. Again, by the time of the events of The Dark Knight Rises, the streets of Gotham were completely clean, the opposite of what Joker wanted.
I suppose in the dark knight rises bane completed what the joker set out to do which was to create chaos and bane revealing it was Harvey dent who was a murderer showing that anyone can fall to insanity
you can add Captain America: Civil Wars to this list
+Albert Vilorio Thats debatable. There is still that "i will always be by your side" love note from Cap.
I think we're only doing Big Boy movies, kid.
I must be one of the few people on the planet who really liked OHMSS. You can say what you want about Lazenby's acting, but neither Connery nor Moore could've pulled off how Lazenby handled the very delicate ending of the film.
independance day (america won)
true .
fuck off
+Jakub Vetrecin
Will Smith and Jeff Fucking Goldblum were American.
So Fuck off.
+IceBreaker5021 yes, they are. But the plot of this movie is aliens vs humans. Smith and Goldblum were just two of many others citizens of the world. I'm pretty sure he means the American as a nation, not those two characters (because he said America won). And that's the mistake. But if I'm wrong, and he means Americans as those two leading characters, that's pretty stupid comment too, because if the character is villain just because he's American, in that case won the villain in 99% of Hollywood movies. So LLAP :)
+Phlegm Atic Sensitive Americans Alert be carefull xD
Fallen. Azazel kills them all and survives in a cat :) Awesome twist.
No Country for Old Men? No? Really? Not even an honorable mention?
this channel is the supreme master of roasts, just look at 0:15 I cracked up so hard
+Coleman Kinzer roast? he just came off salty as fuck XD.
what about Nightcrawler, Jake Gyleenhal's character wins at the end
+Joseph Ben-Obasa That movie was amazing! So much character development!
Silva's plan on Skyfall was to kill M. He did at the end. The only Bond villain who actually managed to carry on with his plan.
yay Mistah J is the greatest
Harley Quinn - Right
The Usual Suspects is my absolute favorite movie I watch it every single time I come across it.
Watchmen?
Exactly what I was thinking. I mean, an entire city got destroyed, I think that's more of a win than getting show in the head. .-.
well more city's were destroyed unless your counting the graphic novel in which NY was destroyed
Thanks for spoiling 8 awesome films for me
Your own damn fault, friend.
Joker didn't actually win because Batman used his own ace in the hole and took the fall for Harvey's crimes.
Until the next movie...
the Joker always wins, especially when he dies. Its usually a beloved superhero he pushes to kill him.
+Total Badass Wheresh the bombh? Where ish it?! You'd never ghive ith to an orhdinarhy chitihzen!!!!
+Marijan Karaula Wheresh the *trigger
I'm Batman shuth uph! Wheresh the trigger!
in my favorite movie (There Will Be Blood) Dainel wins. he definetly was not the good guy lol
+Justin Tompkins not really, i guess he lost everything. yes, he got a little redemption, by going bowling with eli, but he lost H.W, someone who was everything to him, look how furious he was, as he told him, he had his own buisness. in the end, he is just a lonely rich man, with no friends or family and a bloody boling alley...
I love how in the Bond movie, Bond knows that she was in the car but just assumes that she's all right when he gets in. Not concerned at all.
how could you not include swordfish?
ET. The alien spy is able to "phone" his fleet with the information about earth.
The Thing: One of MacReady or Childs is defiantly "thingy"
Blade Runner: Roy shows that its us makeing it so they die too soon that is stopping replicants from learning compasion and empathy
where's Sugar from No Country for Old Man????????!!
+MrAndr144R Guessing the auto correct curse happened to you and you meant to say "Chigurh"?
+YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!! Mmmm... Yh... Why not?
"what's in the box?!?" *DEEZ NUTS*
Funny games. Grim, grim, depressingly grim.
Hopefully you are referring to the original. If so, it should have been number one.
+Naughty Robot
Both actually. I saw the remake first so I got the misery from that but the original was a little more sinister feeling.
Empire Strikes Back. Luke gets his hand cut off and learns that his father was the bad guy all along, Han ends up frozen in a block of metal, Lando loses his city and the rebels get thrown out of their base; I can't believe that this wasn't on the list.
What about Fight Club?
Terminator 3 , the entire world pretty much explodes, I'd call that a win for the bad guy XD
But you had that one in another video about "bad" movies w/ good endings :P
What about no country for old men?
If you think everyone involved in the scheme of "Wild Things" (however convoluted it is) are villains, then there you go. Suzy gets away scott free on a boat on an island somewhere, having killed the guidance counselor she caught cheating, the popular girl she hated*, and the cop who put her in prison, and during which she faked her own death so no one would ever think to look for her. All while conning a boat load of money from the popular girl's rich mother.
*Well, technically the cop killed her, but if he'd let her live she was gonna kill her anyway, so...
The Passion Of The Christ. Jesus dies, Mel Gibson makes loads of money.
+Temporal Tom Lol.
you right dude
+Temporal Tom damn it dude you just made my day!
Temporal Tom 😂
In a way, *Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb* is a movie where the bad guy wins--and it's an awesome movie.
I know this video came out day before but Zemo wins in Captain America Civil War
Hunter Brown it’s too late for it the vids made
Nice list. I was expecting to see The Great Silence or The Watchmen (though Ozymandias is actually the hero) but you can always make another list, right?
NO Empire Strikes Back?????????
+JOE FAQURSELF probably left out because it is not a standalone movie? :-/
+4ll3sb4n4n3 But TDK's not a stand alone movie either.. They're both a part of trilogies.
True
You missed out one of the best parts about the Joker. One of his goals throughout the film was to get Batman to break his only rule, which is that of not killing anybody. At the very end of the film, the Joker has corrupted Dent to such a point where Batman is forced between killing him or letting Jim Gordon's family die.
I mean, it's obvious killing Dent was the right thing to do, but the fact that Joker manipulated Batman, Dent and even Gordon to such an extent to achieve his goal of getting Batman to kill makes him even more brilliant in my books.
Empire Strikes Back?
They said good movies
+Ani Deco I r8 that joke 0/8 m8
+Ani Deco that is a good movie
I completely agree with your description of The Joker. But, I'm going to have to pick Hannibal over Red Dragon.
Where's empire strikes back
+David B. You can't take the middle movie in a trilogy into consideration. The ending of Empire was pretty much "To Be Continued". The ending of Empire WASN'T an ending by design. It was a cliffhanger.
😴
+Jack Wyatt Said the same thing to another guy who said that too.
But the batman one wasn't the end of a trilogy.
Jack Wyatt Actually, you need to see 2 to see 3
Will someone PLEASE tell me what movie the "Vagiclean, huh? A little extra cheese on your taco?" line is from? Funniest thing Ive heard all day
2016 Election where the bad guy wins
Hillary lost mate
Unfortunately the good guy wasn't running...
+Ugly Ass
"The bad guy"
Not
"the bad granny"
That implies Hitlary isn't a man.
I laughed at this harder than I should have. ^^
Spellbinder had one of the greatest endings with the bad guy winning.
Uuh Phonebooth ..
He tied it in a knot.
God, I had completely forgotten about Primal Fear... That's suck a bloody good movie!
CHINATOWN!!!
That Usain Bolt snippet made my Jamaican ass happy
That opening line earned my sub. That was fucking gold.