About the shifters: It's not only about aero gains it's also more ergonomic in my view (up to a certain point). When only applying a slight angle you get the benefits of a more natural wrist angle and slight aero gains without the downside of unreachable break leavers.
I tilted my shifters like 2 or 3 years ago. I was entering a round about, and some stupid idiot old lady, run into me, my left shifter turned into the bike, and only after my ride the next day to work did i noticed that. it was way more smother on my hands, and the shoulder position was way more relaxed. It really is a great way to ride. Glad i'm not close to be a pro, UCI can suck on it
I also ride with a slight inward tilt for the ergonomics. I think the jig diagram that was shown still allows for that. Its the more extreme inward tilt that that would run afoul the jig.
I agree. If I want to get aero; the slight wrist rotation keeps my ulna tuburosity clear of the bars, and I can spend 4+ hours comfortably in position.
The banter back and forth concerning the phrases Chris isn't allowed to use had me laughing out load along in my kitchen! lol Love the show boys. Find myself waiting a few days a week for the new episodes to drop. I started tilting my bars after I saw VC do it last year!
27:04 I think Jesse is forgetting that just about every bike in the peloton was having ballast added to them to make the UCI minimum pre-disc brake era.
A massive thank you from a geezer you don’t know from the other side of the world, for all the entertainment and information you have provide. I wish you and your families a very merry Christmas and happy new year. Looking forward to what 2024 holds for you. Thanks lads 👍🏻
Chris, about the Cafe Ride Video of Matt&Tadej: it’s Nice where Tadej lives and on the top of the climb, Tadej was refusing a photo with the guy before he takes his frame off the wall to preserve it from beeing scratched. You have to look and listen more carefully 😂
Jesse is something else, 1st big praise for Cervelo and how won TDF(when actually was the R5 doing most of the work) but later he won't be interested if the bike is too heavy for his standards. Same set up as Roglic but better be lighter or is not good enough.
I think (hope) all roadies are sort of in on in the in-joke where almost any midrange+ bike from the last 15 years would be perfectly adequate for any use. 999 races out of 1000 even in A- grade, even at conti, even at WT, the result comes down to the rider and not the bike. The in-joke is that we like talking about this stuff, we like spending money, we like arguing, so you set up rules about how much you are about weight/aero/groupset etc, not because it actually matters at all, but because it keeps things interesting.
y’all have slept on sportful kit! This year I was in need of some new stuff and they have incredible prices given the quality and popularity of the brand in world tour. I was able to buy 2 pairs of their classic bibs, and 2 of their higher end race jerseys for a grand total of 300 CAD. This included free shipping and ZERO duty fees, as it’s included in the price. Their stuff is super minimalistic and fits amazingly. Highly rate it. I’ve put these items through the ringer since purchased and have to say I prefer the fit and function to all the Rapha kit I had previously (Rapha core shorts cost $100 more than 4 of my sportful purchases combined)
The concern about shifter angles is based on how the shifter clamps are designed - they are literally designed to attach perpendicular to the bars. You may remember 3/4 years ago Canyon tried to develop their own bar clamps and they ended up sawing through carbon… this is what Hansen, UCI, SRAM and Shimano are saying.
Used anything is fun to find when you are looking for it. And there are billions of used parts and frames and whatever being sought every day. And sure it is a dance but it is great to have all the choices. And I've sold bikes and components and it can be rewarding to put someone in touch with a favorite find. And people know how to refurbish used this or that, and it is incredible what they can do. Like I sold an incomplete first-gen Raleigh Chopper to a gent who was over the moon to get it. And not long afterwards, he sent a photo of it worthy of a sales catalog.
Ale, Sportful, Gobik, NorthWave are quite big in Slovenia. You know, that small little country in the middle of Europe where Tadej and Primož are from. ;) See ppl rocking those kits every time you go out. Don't see any of those brands you guys are mostly talking about - Rapha, Maap, Rule28... you basically never see any of these brands here. Maybe occasional LeCol, lots of Castelli (probably the most prominent in this area), some LaPassione. As for the bike brands, lots of Williers, Giants, Specialized and Colnagos, some Scotts, some Canyons, some Meridas. Almost no Focus, no Cervelo, no Trek, no Factors (I don't think I have EVER seen Cervelo S5 on the road and maybe 2-3 Trek Madones ever), no Time, no Look. From looking at bikes here, it is quite obvious that brands that have local stores here are more prominent. We basically have no stores offering Trek, Cervelo, Focus, Factor. Also, being quite hilly country with alps and all that, aero bikes are in minority as well.
If you are a Sunday club rider you wear your club kit, ours for example is Kalas. Due to the cost of kit I believe most people will use their club kit for mid week or solo rides.
Sportful produce great kit. They first became popular when I believe they first sponsored Team Tinkoff-Saxobank, when Alberto Contador and Sagan rode for them before the team folded. Sportful sponsors Sagan, so when he moved to Bora the team naturally were also sponsored by them. When Alberto Contador moved to Trek Factory the team wore Sportful for a year or so. Team Total Energies also wore Sportful when Sagan transferred to them. I have bought numerous pieces of sportful kit. It's great quality and fits great. I'm impressed by their wet/cold weather kit The Fiandre series which has been helped developed by Pros such as Sagan and his teammates and used in The Spring Classics.
Bro my VENGE is 6,9kgs with 56,5mm LIGHTBICYCLE aero wheels, full SRAM Red. 10/28, TPU tubes Michelin Power Cups 28 (=30mm irl) and I intend to switch to an integrated cockpit like you did, might go for the AVIANS which is even lighter than EXS. Congrats!!
@@AdamNowak534 I find that hard to believe at that weight with those wheels. People on weightweenies not even down that low. But would like to see a build list with weights if you have it
I always thought those shifters were tilted due to some special handlebars but now that I learned that they're just tilted inwards I will definitely try it out. Thanks UCI!
Get Chis Reynolds in for a good chat about the kit business… He can tell you about supplying Champions System kit to UAE (for Tadej’s first win) and he now distributes Pissei in Australia… plus he lives just down the road from you 👌
Hi Chris and Jesse. Always love your podcast and your thoughts on topics because sometimes they give me a different way to think about things. But i want to write my opinion on the super tuck vs bend in levers thing down anyways because i disagree with you on this topic. Super tuck: It has gotten too powerful in the descends so that riders had to do it even though they felt unsafe on the bike. But if they wanted to be at the front of the race they were forced to use it. Otherwise they would spend a lot of energie on the descends aswell. So i think it´s a good thing that they banned it. Bend in levers: I really like the hand position of a slightly bend in lever and also the looks of it. e.g.: Tadej Pogacars levers in the 2023 season. It looked amazing in my opinion. I think they should have implemented a maximum angle of bending them inwards or a minimum width e.g. 35 cm apart on a 38 cm handlebar. Maybe thats just me but i liked a lot of things from the 2023 rulebook. Thanks for your podcast and cycling gossip. I am a big fan since i found you on here. Greetings from Germany :D
Mathieu vvn der Poel's broken bar was due to the brake lever clamp, not the Canyon adjustable bar. If you look at the photos, the bar broke at the lever, not at the adjustable bit. But wasn't because the lever was pointed in. Good show as always.
As others have said for some Riders a bit of inward tilt can be more comfortable without effecting braking access. Also it provides a way of narrowing bars which in todays world of integrated bar/stems with oftem limited size options can be helpful. The Rapha Sky thing possibly wasn't helped by Rapha lack of high tech gear at the time & Skys high tech demands - this meant they ran rebadged Bioracer Speedwear Skinsuits(one of the 1st to use aerostripe fabrics) then used other bits of Kit like the Castelli Gabba in Classics.
I wish Chris to equip Speedplay & Wolftooth Lonewolf chain guide for 1x S5. So Full Jumbo Visma setup. I believe some gains were made from these components.
The problem either the turned in levers is the spec of the clamp. The position of the Shimano, Campagnolo or SRAM clamp, is speced for standard positions in standard bars. Now you’re looking at mixing and matching with a variety of bars, aluminum or carbon. Maybe the UCI can make specs for bars to allow for the use of turned in levers. Conversely the manufacturers could respec lever clamps for retrofitting to turned in setups.
Word is that the uci were on the verge of reducing the minimal weight but held it back knowing that disc brakes were coming in and 6.8 would be very light anyway. Keep in mind that there are people that work for the UCI that have very cushy jobs and will protect it all costs (very similar to politicians)
As a new S5 owner, you guys had me laughing out loud with the rules about how you're allowed to describe it! The cassette will have 10 cogs on the small gear, not 11. Cervelo says you can go as wide as 34 on the tires. I'm still on the 28s it came with, but intend to put a 30 on the back next time. Looking forward to hearing your impressions soon.
You guys should dig into what's going on in track. There's some crazy features that are becoming more or less standardized across the bikes built for Paris. Super wide forks where the blades are meant to redirect air away from the rider, for example. I'm wondering if you think this stuff will get adoption on the road.
I stumbled onto your wonderful banter in late July '24. I'm looking forward to what your 'new' thoughts are on Pog's 12 stage wins in his 2 GT wins ....now! yes, those early season injuries helped a lot, of course! But ya gotta be in it to win it, and he continue to win, A LOT! No one is suggesting JV is the new Merckx! Can Pog knock of Sir Cav's new record wins number? Predictions vs reality, always a great 'looking back' moment, for me! Coulda, woulda, shoulda ...DID!
On second hand groupsets, the reason i'm in the market for them is to upgrade the stuff on my current bike which is currently rocking 105 5500 so i'm looking at a bigger rear derailleur and new shifters but i'd never get wearing components like a cassette, chain or chainrings on ebay.
In regards to kit brands, there was a period back in the day when near everyone was rocking those World Tour brands here in Oz. Purely because it was relatively cheap and in the peak Wiggle period of buying bike gear but now the emergence of local brands like Attaquer, MAAP, Pedal Mafia, Black Sheep, Neo etc makes it more accessible, roughly the same ballpark $ wise and supports local businesses.
Hey Chris, groupset was bought for a new bike build. I've got a new frame on order so while I wait for it to arrive, I'm collecting up the components as and when they come on sale. I'll then give everything to a mechanic to build up. Doing it like this can save a fortune.
My Trek RSL aero bars are designed and built to have the shifters turned inwards. That’s how Trek bikes with RSL aero bars are sold at Trek bike shops.
52-33 doesnt cut it for most people with any proper hills. Since the jumps in the cassettes are a major concern, maybe try a bigger cassette aswell and tell us how you feel about that.
I really like Sportful. I have different jerseys (aero, lightweight, cargo), bibs, and a skinsuit and cannot give them enough praise. I"d put them in the same category as Castelli. A European brand with focus on the average consumer and with strong ties to shops.
I turn my shifters in as I find it slightly more comfortable on long rides, also as to the Sportful kit they do the Total Energies kit which I did buy as I love the colour and design. It was also very reasonably priced too.
Is TP possibly just doing the Giro because he has won the Tour twice already and he wants to win every major race there is!? Each grand tour and all the classics!?
They had let it slip a while ago. But it was also not super well hidden if you know the bikes well enough. Despite people saying all bikes look the same these days, there are identifying differences.
Re. tilting levers inward is not dangerous for flared handle bars. For example, the ENVE SES handle bar (which looks great as well) has a 10degree flare and would work just fine. I guess it would only be dangerous if your hbar is not made/specd as such.
Gobik is ENOURMOUS in Spain and Andorra, to a large extent in France too. The shops are Gobik heavy. If you go to a big granfondo, 99% of of the time you will be on the start line in Gobik CX jersey.
It's not 3 Watts slower than the Aeroad on the same wheelset. Not to mention Tour kind of undersells the S5 stem design because of it being a half body mannequin
On the Matt Stephens and tadej pogačar video - I would be interested to see your thoughts on their discussion re: training your body to absorb more carbs - moving from 80gms per hour to 120/130gms
Comical when his coach is on every show promoting ZONE2, while the real performance is unleashed from Carbs Intake. They are so full of it, can't keep up with the nonsense and how many fall for it. When riding zone2 energy comes from burning fat , they make it sound like is the secret to Pros performance when they all juice and ride on 120G carbs/hour
@@ciprian7Bro you have no idea what you’re talking about, please educate yourself on a topic before creating a nonsensical text with some buzz words that you saw somewhere
With competition so close & $$$ at stake, I’d take some of this with a grain of salt as they are not going to give you exactly what they are doing to WIN. They are paid to promote Corp sponsors…like the processed pre packaged “athletic” candy bar manufactures etc😂
I'm always torn between thinking my steel frame ritchey road logic is aero or not, because of bike marketing: manufacturers went away from really thick aero tubes to smaller ones, so why shouldn't my really thin tubes be just as or even more aero?
About the kits, this is as much as I know: - Sportful is basically Castelli (both are brands of Manifattura Valcismon S.p.A). I'm not 100% sure how they differentiate each other. - I seemed to remember that Pissei was bought by a certain UAE fund.. basically pulling the same move they had with Colnago: Let's buy the whole thing. Now i can't find the news anymore - Ale cycling is an italian brand which is very popular both in Italy and in other european markets (anecdotally, In greece everybody seem to wear Ale) I think the main problem is that a lot of the clothing brand are european so very geographically far from where you are. Personally, I've never even heard of the kit sponsor for Jayco Alula from here in 🇮🇹
I always find the slight angle hoods in funny as I was doing that back in 2010ish and was made fun of on group rides, just for the same people making fun of me doing it now if not even more slanted.
I was relying on Jesse to bring the logical reasoning when talking about the S5 and he starts the conversation with it’s faster than the aeroad because it won the TdF 😂😂 I have no hope, the frothfest will run wild
Well said but wait, later he was not interested had the final weight of S5 be higher than what he thinks is acceptable , i enjoy the podcast but Jesse needs to get it straight, can't have it both ways and was the R5 doing most of the work in the TDF and not the S5, plus anyone here thinks that MVDP Canyon is any less of a weapon than the Cervelo is? Was not the Aeroad winner of so many races last year> men and women? I like Cervelo a lot but Jesse's comments are silly
is this a fantasy dream Cervelo that fits both Chris and Jesse? As for UCI rules, I think they're right - brake levers are designed to be perpendicular to the bars. As for super-tuck, I agree with Chris: it's the individual rider's call (I say this as someone who used to do it in their youth and survived, so far anyway).
My opinion, on the lever tilt issue, the UCI’s getting involved because they see it getting outa control, you’re not supposed to be able to get in to a TT position on a road bike.
Chris this time no trolling just friendly mechanics advise. 1x is amazing but 50-33 even if you can push that gearing, which is amazing, you might end up with some shitty shifting and having to grind. I highly recommend an xplr derailleur and use either 10-36 or 10-44 cassette. I might be wrong but based on that pic it looks like you have road derailleur. I mean it works but why?! I know your boy vegan cyclist might tell you a 50 52 cassette with eagle set up will be the best but unless you have a mechanic on call 7/24 you will end up with constant bending on that hanger and shitty shifting. Based on that “pro mechanic” interview your crit accidental mechanic wouldn’t have a clue about setting up a 1x bike.
I'm glad the UCI is getting more proactive on changes. If not we'd have stupid looking knee high "aero socks" and 30mm wide bars with bent in hoods. Like they don't crash enough, lets make handling worse! lol
Hoods: Question with the narrowing handlebars and hoods going inwards, that allowed for the riders elbows to still be out. In a racing situation this would allow more bumping without hitting handlebars, therefore making it a little safer? I might be completely wrong but saw the slight inwards (not the aggressive inwards) as a good move to allow extra buffering for handlebar protection.
Sportsful & Castelli have been sister brands for a while - look at their HQ addresses and they are next door to each other. They seem to have a lower pull tjan Castelli in the UK, but many items are very similar. It use too be a bit like the VW car group - if you wanted a cheaper Golf you vould buy a Seat Leon or Skoda Octavia. I use to like the Castelli warmers with a slight water proofing & fiund I could get pretty much the same leg or arm warmers by Sportful for a bit less. They also had a Gabba equivalent which look pretty much the same.
Really enjoyed this podcast! I'm also a fan of the Bora kit. What do you guys think about Wout Van Aert skipping the tour? Maybe does give Remco a chance?!
I know more people that have injured themselves imitating footballers than cyclists. My friend broke his arm and dislocated his shoulder attempting a bicycle/overhead kick. I’ve never heard fifa ban those type of manoeuvre in a match. Same with the bars, I use a 34cm (at the hoods) bar with the levers turned in (not ridiculously but enough to be noticed). I need that position to be comfortable on the bike because I have extremely narrow shoulders (31cm acromion-acromion), not because I want to be more aero. Also, just bought the Nero jersey so stop chatting and get it posted out 😊
S5 is cool looking. I steered away from it because of the weight. In Tucson we have so much climbing that I just didn’t want to ride a 17.5 pound bike. Even my Aeroad was a pound lighter.
I'm expecting the 1x set up to be a significant frustration for road riding. 50x11 top gear? Even mild downhills will have you spinning out. It'll be a waste of Aero where it's supposed to be at its best - sprints and downhills.
When Ronaldo went to MU in 2021 they sold 32.5 million pounds of jerseys in the first 12 hours! UCI teams sell heaps of kit online in Europe. Aussies don’t seem to wear cycling team kit like we do AFL jumpers 😂😂
do you think that the speed on the road races youre talking about is higher because of bike/wheel advances or do you think its more coming from the tires. cause in my mind its coming from the tires
When Ronaldo went to MU in 2021 they sold 32.5 million pounds of jerseys in the first 12 hours! UCI teams sell heaps of kit online in Europe. Aussies don’t seem to wear cycling team kit like we do AFL jumpers 😂😂 Jesse “TP will not win the TDF next year…” wow!
What isn't clear to me (yet) is what exactly is banned. Is it any degree of tilt away from straight ahead? Or is it only "excessive" tilt? Like many others have said, slightly tilted in shifters tend to be more ergonomic and comfortable. The contraption that was posted that supposedly tests for this looks like it might allow some slight tilt inward.
About the shifters: It's not only about aero gains it's also more ergonomic in my view (up to a certain point). When only applying a slight angle you get the benefits of a more natural wrist angle and slight aero gains without the downside of unreachable break leavers.
I tilted my shifters like 2 or 3 years ago. I was entering a round about, and some stupid idiot old lady, run into me, my left shifter turned into the bike, and only after my ride the next day to work did i noticed that. it was way more smother on my hands, and the shoulder position was way more relaxed. It really is a great way to ride. Glad i'm not close to be a pro, UCI can suck on it
I also ride with a slight inward tilt for the ergonomics. I think the jig diagram that was shown still allows for that. Its the more extreme inward tilt that that would run afoul the jig.
This.
I agree. If I want to get aero; the slight wrist rotation keeps my ulna tuburosity clear of the bars, and I can spend 4+ hours comfortably in position.
Once I turned my hoods in (to copy Remco) my hand numbness went away. I'm all for turning the hoods in.
The banter back and forth concerning the phrases Chris isn't allowed to use had me laughing out load along in my kitchen! lol Love the show boys. Find myself waiting a few days a week for the new episodes to drop. I started tilting my bars after I saw VC do it last year!
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27:04
I think Jesse is forgetting that just about every bike in the peloton was having ballast added to them to make the UCI minimum pre-disc brake era.
A massive thank you from a geezer you don’t know from the other side of the world, for all the entertainment and information you have provide. I wish you and your families a very merry Christmas and happy new year. Looking forward to what 2024 holds for you. Thanks lads 👍🏻
Show just gets better and better every week
Sometimes I think Jesse has never left Australia. Great pod guys. Merry Christmas
Chris, about the Cafe Ride Video of Matt&Tadej: it’s Nice where Tadej lives and on the top of the climb, Tadej was refusing a photo with the guy before he takes his frame off the wall to preserve it from beeing scratched. You have to look and listen more carefully 😂
Jesse is something else, 1st big praise for Cervelo and how won TDF(when actually was the R5 doing most of the work) but later he won't be interested if the bike is too heavy for his standards. Same set up as Roglic but better be lighter or is not good enough.
I think (hope) all roadies are sort of in on in the in-joke where almost any midrange+ bike from the last 15 years would be perfectly adequate for any use. 999 races out of 1000 even in A- grade, even at conti, even at WT, the result comes down to the rider and not the bike. The in-joke is that we like talking about this stuff, we like spending money, we like arguing, so you set up rules about how much you are about weight/aero/groupset etc, not because it actually matters at all, but because it keeps things interesting.
Regarding Super Tuck: It's not only the safety of the ride doing the super tuck, but also those around that rider.
This is sick really looking foward to your thoughts on the s5 but the next thing you should do is test the windspace t1550 and compare all 3 bikes
y’all have slept on sportful kit! This year I was in need of some new stuff and they have incredible prices given the quality and popularity of the brand in world tour. I was able to buy 2 pairs of their classic bibs, and 2 of their higher end race jerseys for a grand total of 300 CAD. This included free shipping and ZERO duty fees, as it’s included in the price. Their stuff is super minimalistic and fits amazingly. Highly rate it.
I’ve put these items through the ringer since purchased and have to say I prefer the fit and function to all the Rapha kit I had previously (Rapha core shorts cost $100 more than 4 of my sportful purchases combined)
The concern about shifter angles is based on how the shifter clamps are designed - they are literally designed to attach perpendicular to the bars.
You may remember 3/4 years ago Canyon tried to develop their own bar clamps and they ended up sawing through carbon… this is what Hansen, UCI, SRAM and Shimano are saying.
Used anything is fun to find when you are looking for it. And there are billions of used parts and frames and whatever being sought every day. And sure it is a dance but it is great to have all the choices. And I've sold bikes and components and it can be rewarding to put someone in touch with a favorite find. And people know how to refurbish used this or that, and it is incredible what they can do. Like I sold an incomplete first-gen Raleigh Chopper to a gent who was over the moon to get it. And not long afterwards, he sent a photo of it worthy of a sales catalog.
The sportful kit is excellent. Better value than many other european brands.
Sportful bibs are fantastic. Great chamois.
Ale, Sportful, Gobik, NorthWave are quite big in Slovenia. You know, that small little country in the middle of Europe where Tadej and Primož are from. ;)
See ppl rocking those kits every time you go out. Don't see any of those brands you guys are mostly talking about - Rapha, Maap, Rule28... you basically never see any of these brands here. Maybe occasional LeCol, lots of Castelli (probably the most prominent in this area), some LaPassione.
As for the bike brands, lots of Williers, Giants, Specialized and Colnagos, some Scotts, some Canyons, some Meridas. Almost no Focus, no Cervelo, no Trek, no Factors (I don't think I have EVER seen Cervelo S5 on the road and maybe 2-3 Trek Madones ever), no Time, no Look. From looking at bikes here, it is quite obvious that brands that have local stores here are more prominent. We basically have no stores offering Trek, Cervelo, Focus, Factor. Also, being quite hilly country with alps and all that, aero bikes are in minority as well.
@alistairmartin13 " I would think the same, yes.
If you are a Sunday club rider you wear your club kit, ours for example is Kalas. Due to the cost of kit I believe most people will use their club kit for mid week or solo rides.
Sportful produce great kit. They first became popular when I believe they first sponsored Team Tinkoff-Saxobank, when Alberto Contador and Sagan rode for them before the team folded. Sportful sponsors Sagan, so when he moved to Bora the team naturally were also sponsored by them. When Alberto Contador moved to Trek Factory the team wore Sportful for a year or so. Team Total Energies also wore Sportful when Sagan transferred to them. I have bought numerous pieces of sportful kit. It's great quality and fits great. I'm impressed by their wet/cold weather kit The Fiandre series which has been helped developed by Pros such as Sagan and his teammates and used in The Spring Classics.
Awesome show because its all about road bikes and road stuff, NO gravel.
holly cow i forget how heavy those modern s5 and cfr are. the more i appreciate my 6,65 kg 2019 venge DA with favero assioma inc.
What wheelset though are you running to get down to that weight
@@Shadowboost roval rapide clx1 with 24g tpu tube and conti gp5000 25mm, exs aerover 380x110 bars, galfer wave disc rotors, ryet 105g saddle, sram red22 crankset with stronglight chainrings(486g), aethos thru axela, and schmolke tlo expander, 56 size frame slammed
Bro my VENGE is 6,9kgs with 56,5mm LIGHTBICYCLE aero wheels, full SRAM Red. 10/28, TPU tubes Michelin Power Cups 28 (=30mm irl) and I intend to switch to an integrated cockpit like you did, might go for the AVIANS which is even lighter than EXS. Congrats!!
@@AdamNowak534 How stiff is the exs aerover, is it flexier than the roval rapid bar/stem? I'm thinking of putting one on my sl7.
@@AdamNowak534 I find that hard to believe at that weight with those wheels. People on weightweenies not even down that low. But would like to see a build list with weights if you have it
I always thought those shifters were tilted due to some special handlebars but now that I learned that they're just tilted inwards I will definitely try it out. Thanks UCI!
The best upgrade i've done on my bike
For what it’s worth, the Sportful fiandra pro kit is excellent; especially their autumn/winter stuff.
+1 on Sportful Fiandra kit nice and comfy winter gear.
Get Chis Reynolds in for a good chat about the kit business… He can tell you about supplying Champions System kit to UAE (for Tadej’s first win) and he now distributes Pissei in Australia… plus he lives just down the road from you 👌
Hi Chris and Jesse.
Always love your podcast and your thoughts on topics because sometimes they give me a different way to think about things. But i want to write my opinion on the super tuck vs bend in levers thing down anyways because i disagree with you on this topic.
Super tuck: It has gotten too powerful in the descends so that riders had to do it even though they felt unsafe on the bike. But if they wanted to be at the front of the race they were forced to use it. Otherwise they would spend a lot of energie on the descends aswell. So i think it´s a good thing that they banned it.
Bend in levers: I really like the hand position of a slightly bend in lever and also the looks of it. e.g.: Tadej Pogacars levers in the 2023 season. It looked amazing in my opinion.
I think they should have implemented a maximum angle of bending them inwards or a minimum width e.g. 35 cm apart on a 38 cm handlebar.
Maybe thats just me but i liked a lot of things from the 2023 rulebook.
Thanks for your podcast and cycling gossip. I am a big fan since i found you on here.
Greetings from Germany :D
Sportful is massive in Europe - the sister, more affordable version of Castelli.
Their Bomber aero jerseys are fantastic.
Mathieu vvn der Poel's broken bar was due to the brake lever clamp, not the Canyon adjustable bar. If you look at the photos, the bar broke at the lever, not at the adjustable bit. But wasn't because the lever was pointed in. Good show as always.
As some have said, the turned in shifters is very nice for ergonomics, a slight shift inwards has stopped my hands from going numb on long rides
As others have said for some Riders a bit of inward tilt can be more comfortable without effecting braking access. Also it provides a way of narrowing bars which in todays world of integrated bar/stems with oftem limited size options can be helpful. The Rapha Sky thing possibly wasn't helped by Rapha lack of high tech gear at the time & Skys high tech demands - this meant they ran rebadged Bioracer Speedwear Skinsuits(one of the 1st to use aerostripe fabrics) then used other bits of Kit like the Castelli Gabba in Classics.
“What do you expecting the bike to be like?” Killer question!
I wish Chris to equip Speedplay & Wolftooth Lonewolf chain guide for 1x S5. So Full Jumbo Visma setup.
I believe some gains were made from these components.
The S5 is a heavy bike but I love mine. It's a 51cm, 8kg with Red AXS groupset, Ultegra pedals. But I say this is the bike of my life.
The problem either the turned in levers is the spec of the clamp. The position of the Shimano, Campagnolo or SRAM clamp, is speced for standard positions in standard bars. Now you’re looking at mixing and matching with a variety of bars, aluminum or carbon.
Maybe the UCI can make specs for bars to allow for the use of turned in levers.
Conversely the manufacturers could respec lever clamps for retrofitting to turned in setups.
Congrats on the new bike! Glad for you always great to get a new ride even if it is just for loan, just don't sell out to hard on us.
Word is that the uci were on the verge of reducing the minimal weight but held it back knowing that disc brakes were coming in and 6.8 would be very light anyway. Keep in mind that there are people that work for the UCI that have very cushy jobs and will protect it all costs (very similar to politicians)
I love finding good deals on used components, I upgraded my gravel bike from 105 to ultegra and made over 100€ extra money in the process.
That's a good deal
If the Lite Carbon bars break because of the angle of the hoods. Make Alloy bars. Some pros run them anyway incase they crash.
As a new S5 owner, you guys had me laughing out loud with the rules about how you're allowed to describe it!
The cassette will have 10 cogs on the small gear, not 11.
Cervelo says you can go as wide as 34 on the tires. I'm still on the 28s it came with, but intend to put a 30 on the back next time.
Looking forward to hearing your impressions soon.
You guys should dig into what's going on in track. There's some crazy features that are becoming more or less standardized across the bikes built for Paris. Super wide forks where the blades are meant to redirect air away from the rider, for example. I'm wondering if you think this stuff will get adoption on the road.
Color name options: Straight Up Chartreuse, Aging Avocado, Dead Lettuce, and last but not least, Fart 'n Puke.
The Dirty Martini?
I stumbled onto your wonderful banter in late July '24.
I'm looking forward to what your 'new' thoughts are on Pog's 12 stage wins in his 2 GT wins ....now! yes, those early season injuries helped a lot, of course! But ya gotta be in it to win it, and he continue to win, A LOT!
No one is suggesting JV is the new Merckx!
Can Pog knock of Sir Cav's new record wins number?
Predictions vs reality, always a great 'looking back' moment, for me!
Coulda, woulda, shoulda ...DID!
On second hand groupsets, the reason i'm in the market for them is to upgrade the stuff on my current bike which is currently rocking 105 5500 so i'm looking at a bigger rear derailleur and new shifters but i'd never get wearing components like a cassette, chain or chainrings on ebay.
In regards to kit brands, there was a period back in the day when near everyone was rocking those World Tour brands here in Oz. Purely because it was relatively cheap and in the peak Wiggle period of buying bike gear but now the emergence of local brands like Attaquer, MAAP, Pedal Mafia, Black Sheep, Neo etc makes it more accessible, roughly the same ballpark $ wise and supports local businesses.
Hey Chris, groupset was bought for a new bike build. I've got a new frame on order so while I wait for it to arrive, I'm collecting up the components as and when they come on sale. I'll then give everything to a mechanic to build up. Doing it like this can save a fortune.
My Trek RSL aero bars are designed and built to have the shifters turned inwards. That’s how Trek bikes with RSL aero bars are sold at Trek bike shops.
52-33 doesnt cut it for most people with any proper hills. Since the jumps in the cassettes are a major concern, maybe try a bigger cassette aswell and tell us how you feel about that.
Just run two by you. You don’t want to go up corkscrew 2.5km at 8.5%
I really like Sportful. I have different jerseys (aero, lightweight, cargo), bibs, and a skinsuit and cannot give them enough praise. I"d put them in the same category as Castelli. A European brand with focus on the average consumer and with strong ties to shops.
+1 for sportful. I bought there bomber jersey on a whim and loved it. Fits good and I can always find a sale.
I turn my shifters in as I find it slightly more comfortable on long rides, also as to the Sportful kit they do the Total Energies kit which I did buy as I love the colour and design. It was also very reasonably priced too.
Is TP possibly just doing the Giro because he has won the Tour twice already and he wants to win every major race there is!? Each grand tour and all the classics!?
Take a good look at the Mikes Bikes bloke at 12.20 and tell me that's not Chris Miller during his university days
This will 100% be the best of the two bikes. Like hands down
I was enjoying the mystery of what the "Nero Bike" was. Sounds like the cat is now well and truly out of the bag hahah
They had let it slip a while ago. But it was also not super well hidden if you know the bikes well enough. Despite people saying all bikes look the same these days, there are identifying differences.
It'll be 4 watts faster from enthusiasm
Love that Grogu has made such an appearance on the show 👏
Re. tilting levers inward is not dangerous for flared handle bars. For example, the ENVE SES handle bar (which looks great as well) has a 10degree flare and would work just fine. I guess it would only be dangerous if your hbar is not made/specd as such.
Gobik is ENOURMOUS in Spain and Andorra, to a large extent in France too. The shops are Gobik heavy. If you go to a big granfondo, 99% of of the time you will be on the start line in Gobik CX jersey.
It's not 3 Watts slower than the Aeroad on the same wheelset. Not to mention Tour kind of undersells the S5 stem design because of it being a half body mannequin
The stem design is meant to stiffen the bars, not be more aero.
On the Matt Stephens and tadej pogačar video - I would be interested to see your thoughts on their discussion re: training your body to absorb more carbs - moving from 80gms per hour to 120/130gms
Comical when his coach is on every show promoting ZONE2, while the real performance is unleashed from Carbs Intake. They are so full of it, can't keep up with the nonsense and how many fall for it. When riding zone2 energy comes from burning fat , they make it sound like is the secret to Pros performance when they all juice and ride on 120G carbs/hour
@@ciprian7It doesn’t ALL come from fat in Z2, you’re still using carbs down in the lower zones too.
@@ciprian7Bro you have no idea what you’re talking about, please educate yourself on a topic before creating a nonsensical text with some buzz words that you saw somewhere
pls educate me@@philipb.1950
With competition so close & $$$ at stake, I’d take some of this with a grain of salt as they are not going to give you exactly what they are doing to WIN. They are paid to promote Corp sponsors…like the processed pre packaged “athletic” candy bar manufactures etc😂
I would like to see a bike brand give Jesse an aero bike for a few months. His TCR just about belongs in a museum 😆
I'm always torn between thinking my steel frame ritchey road logic is aero or not, because of bike marketing: manufacturers went away from really thick aero tubes to smaller ones, so why shouldn't my really thin tubes be just as or even more aero?
crazy to say he's giving up when the dude has won twice!! O.o
@Chris Miller Cycling
how is the RCA/GIRO responsible for bad weather in Italy in may ?
They will make new hoods where they tilt in but the break lever will be straight.. they will make a killing
The dehydrated yellow colour way nice.
About the kits, this is as much as I know:
- Sportful is basically Castelli (both are brands of Manifattura Valcismon S.p.A). I'm not 100% sure how they differentiate each other.
- I seemed to remember that Pissei was bought by a certain UAE fund.. basically pulling the same move they had with Colnago: Let's buy the whole thing. Now i can't find the news anymore
- Ale cycling is an italian brand which is very popular both in Italy and in other european markets (anecdotally, In greece everybody seem to wear Ale)
I think the main problem is that a lot of the clothing brand are european so very geographically far from where you are. Personally, I've never even heard of the kit sponsor for Jayco Alula from here in 🇮🇹
I always find the slight angle hoods in funny as I was doing that back in 2010ish and was made fun of on group rides, just for the same people making fun of me doing it now if not even more slanted.
it will be interesting to see those pros racing in some non-uci events and do all crazy stuff, but not likely tho
I was relying on Jesse to bring the logical reasoning when talking about the S5 and he starts the conversation with it’s faster than the aeroad because it won the TdF 😂😂 I have no hope, the frothfest will run wild
Well said but wait, later he was not interested had the final weight of S5 be higher than what he thinks is acceptable , i enjoy the podcast but Jesse needs to get it straight, can't have it both ways and was the R5 doing most of the work in the TDF and not the S5, plus anyone here thinks that MVDP Canyon is any less of a weapon than the Cervelo is? Was not the Aeroad winner of so many races last year> men and women? I like Cervelo a lot but Jesse's comments are silly
Alé clothing is big in EU and probably in US. It is well made as good as Castelli and Santini. GOBIK is big in Spain and must want to go global.
Looking forward to the review
Genuinely excited about the S5 'review' 😃
why weight without pedals? do you ride without pedals?
is this a fantasy dream Cervelo that fits both Chris and Jesse? As for UCI rules, I think they're right - brake levers are designed to be perpendicular to the bars. As for super-tuck, I agree with Chris: it's the individual rider's call (I say this as someone who used to do it in their youth and survived, so far anyway).
You got to go mullet! Mtb casset in the back with a gx eagle rear de railer!
My opinion, on the lever tilt issue, the UCI’s getting involved because they see it getting outa control, you’re not supposed to be able to get in to a TT position on a road bike.
Chris this time no trolling just friendly mechanics advise. 1x is amazing but 50-33 even if you can push that gearing, which is amazing, you might end up with some shitty shifting and having to grind. I highly recommend an xplr derailleur and use either 10-36 or 10-44 cassette. I might be wrong but based on that pic it looks like you have road derailleur. I mean it works but why?! I know your boy vegan cyclist might tell you a 50 52 cassette with eagle set up will be the best but unless you have a mechanic on call 7/24 you will end up with constant bending on that hanger and shitty shifting. Based on that “pro mechanic” interview your crit accidental mechanic wouldn’t have a clue about setting up a 1x bike.
Agreed I'm running SRAM 1x with 50t in the front and 11-42. The Almost Vegan Cycling Spec. Plenty enough range.
I'm glad the UCI is getting more proactive on changes. If not we'd have stupid looking knee high "aero socks" and 30mm wide bars with bent in hoods. Like they don't crash enough, lets make handling worse! lol
People that are most angry with the UCI ruling: People who race local cat 5 in USA and will never ever ride in a UCI race in their lives 🤣
Damn Americans just don't like being governed 😂 wonder where they got that idea
You should chat with Jimmy with Cade as they owned the kit brand Atticus, could give you some insight
It cracks me that Chris actually said that Nero bike its a Canyon.
On my S5 I flipped the computer mount so the computer is behind the bars. I'm certain it saves like half a watt.. at least.
Hoods: Question with the narrowing handlebars and hoods going inwards, that allowed for the riders elbows to still be out. In a racing situation this would allow more bumping without hitting handlebars, therefore making it a little safer? I might be completely wrong but saw the slight inwards (not the aggressive inwards) as a good move to allow extra buffering for handlebar protection.
Sportsful & Castelli have been sister brands for a while - look at their HQ addresses and they are next door to each other. They seem to have a lower pull tjan Castelli in the UK, but many items are very similar. It use too be a bit like the VW car group - if you wanted a cheaper Golf you vould buy a Seat Leon or Skoda Octavia. I use to like the Castelli warmers with a slight water proofing & fiund I could get pretty much the same leg or arm warmers by Sportful for a bit less. They also had a Gabba equivalent which look pretty much the same.
The ALE kit seems to have a reasonable number of wearers in the UK. Though Jayco rock Vorteq skinsuits I believe at least for the TT'S.
Video idea: Bicycle review bingo -- "It holds its speed," "slow to accelerate up to speed," "so stiff you don't notice," " it turn itself?" .
Really enjoyed this podcast! I'm also a fan of the Bora kit. What do you guys think about Wout Van Aert skipping the tour? Maybe does give Remco a chance?!
❓Chris, has there ever been a bike you’ve been more excited to test?
That Bianchi Oltre remains the king of unattainable for me
I know more people that have injured themselves imitating footballers than cyclists. My friend broke his arm and dislocated his shoulder attempting a bicycle/overhead kick. I’ve never heard fifa ban those type of manoeuvre in a match. Same with the bars, I use a 34cm (at the hoods) bar with the levers turned in (not ridiculously but enough to be noticed). I need that position to be comfortable on the bike because I have extremely narrow shoulders (31cm acromion-acromion), not because I want to be more aero.
Also, just bought the Nero jersey so stop chatting and get it posted out 😊
Surprised Jesse didn't give Pidcock a shout to win the tour 😉
Minimum bar width is 35mm.
S5 is cool looking. I steered away from it because of the weight. In Tucson we have so much climbing that I just didn’t want to ride a 17.5 pound bike. Even my Aeroad was a pound lighter.
I'm expecting the 1x set up to be a significant frustration for road riding. 50x11 top gear? Even mild downhills will have you spinning out. It'll be a waste of Aero where it's supposed to be at its best - sprints and downhills.
Sram has a 10 tooth cog, so with 50x10 he won’t spin out that often
@@didiersnake8474 He said his cassette was 11-33.
When Ronaldo went to MU in 2021 they sold 32.5 million pounds of jerseys in the first 12 hours! UCI teams sell heaps of kit online in Europe. Aussies don’t seem to wear cycling team kit like we do AFL jumpers 😂😂
Wouldn’t mind seeing you ride the Madone after the S5. That would be an interesting comparison…
Might need to get Trek to unblock me on Instagram first 😉
Did you guys ever review that Koko you mentioned you were on a few episodes back? Would be interested to hear about that.
I’ve done 3 videos featuring it. The latest one about the Patterson road race, I talk about how the bike performed
do you think that the speed on the road races youre talking about is higher because of bike/wheel advances or do you think its more coming from the tires. cause in my mind its coming from the tires
To be honest I think Tadej doesn't care about the tour anymore. He already won it twice
When Ronaldo went to MU in 2021 they sold 32.5 million pounds of jerseys in the first 12 hours! UCI teams sell heaps of kit online in Europe. Aussies don’t seem to wear cycling team kit like we do AFL jumpers 😂😂 Jesse “TP will not win the TDF next year…” wow!
What isn't clear to me (yet) is what exactly is banned. Is it any degree of tilt away from straight ahead? Or is it only "excessive" tilt? Like many others have said, slightly tilted in shifters tend to be more ergonomic and comfortable. The contraption that was posted that supposedly tests for this looks like it might allow some slight tilt inward.
Genuine curious how this turns out and the feedback.
Cut the frame in half to inspect the build quality 😂
Have you noticed a difference in lean angle with the bigger tires?
Whats the podcast that talks about kit? Is it on youtube?
cycling fashion weekly, no it's not on UA-cam
Give me the Aeroad CFR all day and I’ll use the spare change for liposuction, a 3 year yoga class subscription and 2 year coffee stop expenses.
Good work guys!
The more you go under the weight limit it’s only gonna get slower no matter how aero it is