That A-tip is an amazing “projectile”! Hornady is really proud of them, and charges accordingly! I just bought a box of 500 Barnes 145 grain match burners pretty cheap from Midway. I’ve had some decent results with the 140 grain match burners, so hopefully I can find a load my rifle likes with these heavier, higher BC “projectiles”!
In creedmoor I just setup the 145s over 41.5 4350 and fed mag 215s. I started at 2.920 oal going up 5 thousandths every 10 rounds. When I hit 2.950 coal I put up 2, 5 round groups. Each in a single hole. Average velocity 2789 with an SD of 6. Proof m24 barrel. I'm gonna verify but I did personally get 2 excellent groups.
Thanks Ward oflore! When I first started reloading I thought it would be easy...Just seat a primer, load some powder and then the projectile and go shoot...Man was I wrong! Thanks again for watching and for your kind words my friend!
The Barnes is a great value to performance Bullet. The Hornady it’s all packaging and marketing to get people to pay that kind of money. I have shot the Barnes 145 grain out to a mile with a 6.5 x 47 and also a 6.5 Creedmoor with about 50% success on a one MOA Target, and they do even better at 1300 yards
@@Pew_pewchronicles if you are willing to share I would be grateful to read your muzzle velocity and if you have any of your ballistic data on your feet per second at 1 mile? Thanks
Wondering why you didn't buy the 140gr match burners instead. Those have been pretty easy to find and they compare more closely to the 140gr ELD match bullets you are used to. They are also a much better deal. Just bought some at Scheels yesterday for $29.99/box of a 100. Really hard to go wrong with that bullet. The downside to the 145gr match burner is you need a 1 in 7 twist rate for good stabilization, where most creeds have 1 in 8. Just a caution on that bullet....
Hi Imberish! At the time, I couldn't find the 140gr MB's and had to use what I could get, which was the 145's. I agree that the 140's would have been a much better choice. Thanks for watching my friend!
Very detailed tests. Back 30 years there wasn’t all this computer info- no computers lol. It was on paper trial & error? And reloading was a lot cheaper than factory stuff. How about using a $39.00 tasco too from K-mart lol.
Funny you say all that Tim. I tell people that the one of the top 5 shooters in rimfire this year uses a production CZ 457 with a Strike Eagle scope! People tend to forget about the other side of the accuracy equation...THEM! Thanks for watching my friend!
Just order the 140 grain Barnes Match Burners today at .25 cents each for use in a 1905 M96 6.5x55. Best deal out there. I figured the 145 grain version might be too long. It was lots more expensive than the 140's
In the same boat with bergers. Gave the 145 MB a try because why not at that price. Could not get them to shoot under 1 1/4" with H4350 but with Sta-Ball I can get them in the .4's. The G7 BC trued up at .305 with them.
Hi Matt, yeah it gets crazy when you're trying to find what's available out there and make it work! Going through that now with my 6mm BRA for competition. Thanks for watching my friend!
This is a fantastic video comparison of these bullets! I have a 28 nosler preferred barrelled rifle. I found the a-tip match bullets on sale and so I bought them. All I can say is my rifle. Absolutely adores this bullet. They shoot better than my 195 grain berger EOLs. They are prohibitively expensive but I will be trying to get more on a good deal. Is there a magnum F class or a magnum 1000 yard bench rest class that you know of? Or another competitive class? Thank you sir!
HI Jeff! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Love the A-Tips, just not going to spend the money on them. I'm now using Sierra Matchking 107 gr for my 6mm BRA and they're performing really well for me. Not sure of the classes, but I would Google for your location and see if you can come up with some, or just go watch a match or two and talk to those folks...They're always open to sharing their journey with new shooters. Thanks for watching!
4GunGuy is your twist rate and altitude at your shooting location? If you are anywhere near sea level you're going to need a 7.5 twist to stabilize that long bullet
Hi TCraig! Altitude is ~280ft and twist rate is 1:7.5"...I know Barnes recommends 1:7.75" so I'm sure that impacted the results. Thanks for watching my friend!
Hi Dahut! I entered the data for the Match Burner in their calulator and it stated the the bullet was "Stable", not not sure what you're referring to here? These are BARNES Match Burners so I used those values in the Berger calculator. And on the Barnes website, the twist rate for the 145's is "Standard" which is 1:8 for a 6.5 Creedmoor, so these should be stable bullets even at my 2,750 FPS velocity.
@@dahut3614 I input all the correct values. You're right, it is strange that we're getting two different results. Makes me question that calculator now!
Yeah, now I'm shooting 6mm BRA and can't find Bergers either! Sierra MatchKings are doing "OK", but I'd like to see what those Hybrids will do. thanks for watching SCB!!
Hey brother, I wanted to follow up and see if you found anything refreshing with the 145gr match burners? I'm building out my first custom rifle in 6.5creed. Same situation at the beginning of the year. My 140 ELDm for my gas gun dried up and bought these because next best thing in my budget that was available and GUESS WHAT, they would not feed in my gas gun. For those reading this, the bullet is to long that it doesn't get enough lift off of the feed ramps to make it into the bore of the rifle... anyways, I have a thousand of these rounds that I hope to use on my bolt builds. Actual questions, have you found a sweet spot with them for an accuracy node and/or a velocity node? And do you happen to check seating depth in the fine tuning process at .003" intervals? I do suscribe to the Erik Cortina's methodology that on average accuracy nodes are only about .009" wide. With exceptions like we saw on your A-tips.
Hi Alvaro! I never did get any better results than those in the video and have since sold all those bullets. They were just too long and to unstable for my rifle. I'm now switching to a 6mm BRA cartridge and will have a video on that changeover soon. Hope these work out for you better than they did for me! Thanks for watching my friend!
I've had a hard time finding 144gr Bergers. I have a couple boxes of 500 I bought a few months ago, but I'll be screwed soon. I have never seen the Barnes. How is the ZC optic holding up so far?
Hi Piro! The ZCo is doing just fine thanks! Going to be releasing a review of it soon. I would say however that if you have "older eyes" like mine, then stick with the Razor Gen II. While the ZCo is clearer, it's not $2 grand clearer! If your a 6.5 creedmoor guy, then I just ordered 500 "2nd's" that are spot on as good as the Hornady 140 ELD-M's I use and Midway has them now. Thanks for watching my friend and shoot straight!
@@The4GunGuy No one has worse vision than me, thank God for good diopters. I don't think any optic is even $1000 better than the Gen II, I just love the reticle on the NF 7-35 (mil-c, I think). I shoot mainly 6.5 and 300 win, I know 300 win mag like my pecker. First love Fender Strat and 300 win mag. I only use Bergers with 6.5 from now on, but with Win mag, the ELDs were fine. Got too many strange ufos with 6.5 ELDs at 1200-1400yds and they never did well at a mile, but they sure group killer too. Thanks for the info, looking forward to the ZC review, you make good quality videos. Take care.
i use the 140g barnes get very good es,d and sd , tried the 145g could not get the bullet stabilize in a 1 in 8 26 in barrel the hornady 135 are great but you pay for them
Hi Mark! I do have some of the 140 gr Barnes and they seemed pretty good. I'm just a Hornady guy so that's what I try to get. Doing a review now comparing the 140gr eldm, 147gr eldm and the 140gr BTHP from Hornady. Adjusting for my lands erosion and figured I'd do all three bullets at the same time...stay tuned!
@@The4GunGuy I have good luck with the hornady 140 hpbt also get a little more velocity with the same power charge and low es and sd. I cant find any 140 eld or 147 to buy
Well how did the superformance do? I got 44.5 loaded up from my satterlee test there is a flat spot in that area, seating .030-.070 off the lands hope to see some good groups
Everybody and their grandmother use these heavy bullets, and I am sick of it. Knock yourself out, and the heavier bullets are too slow, so when videos come out with the 120, too 130 grn bullets come out, I'll watch,I hunt, and group check on paper, and I look for a velocity of 2800fps too 3000 fps, witch is not doable with the heavies, no offense but I'll stick to the mid weight bullets.Aim small hunt good have fun.
Hi Wade! Certainly understand your position here and appreciate the velocity range you're going for. From a use perspective, I agree that those lighter bullets should be just fine out to let's say 400 - 500 yds and should still have enough energy to take down whatever you're hunting (within reason of course). I'm looking at this from a PRS perspective, where the BC of the bullet is critical to cut through wind out to 1,100 yds and hit a 13 - 15 inch plate. As an example, and just looking at the Hornady line, the 153gr A-Tip has BC's of .704 (G1) - .355 (G7); the 140 gr ELD-Match has BC's of .646 (G1) - .326 (G7); the 143 gr ELD-X has BC's of .625 (G1) - .315 (G7); and the 120 gr CX has a .428 (G1). Just examples of how, for PRS, we wouldn't use the lighter CX bullet. Again, for hunting, no problem at all I'm sure. Thanks for your input here and thanks for watching my friend!
@The 4GunGuy I am sorry I went way out of my lane on my comment, I see what you're shooting for, and it's a long way to hoe, and it takes a good expertise to hit your mark at 1100 yrds, my luck a frog would cough and my shot would end up in the wrong county, so I have to fess up when I'm wrong and apologize for getting out of my groove, it takes a very good understanding of ballistics,yaw,twist rate, and bullet understanding to reach out to that yardage when the bullet is running out of zip, you have a good show keep up your great work, I got into a lather a little to quickly so I'll have to catch myself before I flap my lips next time, aim small,shoot good,GOD bless.
@@wadepederson8457 Hey Wade! Absolutely no worries my friend! I didn't take your comment as anything negative...You were making a good point about when to use a lighter bullet and I totally agree. GOD bless you too.
This is my 1st video I have seen of yours. You do a great job on camera explaining what you are doing.
Thank you so much Godfryness for the kind words and for watching my friend!
Barnes MB (0.5 MOA ) vs A-tip (0.3 MOA) Higher BC and for 1/2 the price, I will take it anyday
Hey Mahmoud! Yeah, those A-Tips are nice, but they're not THAT nice! Thanks for watching!
That A-tip is an amazing “projectile”! Hornady is really proud of them, and charges accordingly! I just bought a box of 500 Barnes 145 grain match burners pretty cheap from Midway. I’ve had some decent results with the 140 grain match burners, so hopefully I can find a load my rifle likes with these heavier, higher BC “projectiles”!
In creedmoor I just setup the 145s over 41.5 4350 and fed mag 215s. I started at 2.920 oal going up 5 thousandths every 10 rounds. When I hit 2.950 coal I put up 2, 5 round groups. Each in a single hole. Average velocity 2789 with an SD of 6. Proof m24 barrel.
I'm gonna verify but I did personally get 2 excellent groups.
Hard to beat those results and glad they're working out for you MJ! Thanks for watching my friend!
Pretty in depth. Thank You. I didn't understand 1/2 the stuff. Informative videos like these will set up a nice niche for you.
Thanks Ward oflore! When I first started reloading I thought it would be easy...Just seat a primer, load some powder and then the projectile and go shoot...Man was I wrong! Thanks again for watching and for your kind words my friend!
The Barnes is a great value to performance Bullet. The Hornady it’s all packaging and marketing to get people to pay that kind of money. I have shot the Barnes 145 grain out to a mile with a 6.5 x 47 and also a 6.5 Creedmoor with about 50% success on a one MOA Target, and they do even better at 1300 yards
out of curiosity what is the altitude where you shoot and what twist rate are you using?
@@tcraig9831 about 3100 feet altitude both barrels are 1 in 8 twist rate
@@Pew_pewchronicles that makes sense it's really tough to stabilize a bullet that long at sea level in 8t.
@@Pew_pewchronicles if you are willing to share I would be grateful to read your muzzle velocity and if you have any of your ballistic data on your feet per second at 1 mile? Thanks
@@tcraig9831 6.5 Creedmoor 2865 f/ps from a DD Delta 5 pro 26” barrel 46.7 grain Reloader 26 6.5x47 Lapua Accuracy International AX 26” barrel 140 grain RDF 41 grain Reloader 16 2900 f/ps dialed 17.2 mil elevation
Wondering why you didn't buy the 140gr match burners instead. Those have been pretty easy to find and they compare more closely to the 140gr ELD match bullets you are used to. They are also a much better deal. Just bought some at Scheels yesterday for $29.99/box of a 100. Really hard to go wrong with that bullet. The downside to the 145gr match burner is you need a 1 in 7 twist rate for good stabilization, where most creeds have 1 in 8. Just a caution on that bullet....
Hi Imberish! At the time, I couldn't find the 140gr MB's and had to use what I could get, which was the 145's. I agree that the 140's would have been a much better choice. Thanks for watching my friend!
I shoot the 145gr Match Burners in my 6.5 PRC, I am very happy with it
Any load data by any chance for 145 grains Barnes match burners for 6.5 PRC?
Awesome content as always!
Thanks Chad!
Very detailed tests. Back 30 years there wasn’t all this computer info- no computers lol. It was on paper trial & error? And reloading was a lot cheaper than factory stuff. How about using a $39.00 tasco too from K-mart lol.
Funny you say all that Tim. I tell people that the one of the top 5 shooters in rimfire this year uses a production CZ 457 with a Strike Eagle scope! People tend to forget about the other side of the accuracy equation...THEM! Thanks for watching my friend!
Just order the 140 grain Barnes Match Burners today at .25 cents each for use in a 1905 M96 6.5x55. Best deal out there. I figured the 145 grain version might be too long. It was lots more expensive than the 140's
Hey Tunnel! Yep, I've got about 1,000 of the MB 140's and using them now for practice. It's a good projectile for sure.
@@The4GunGuy That is reassuring....thanks!
In the same boat with bergers. Gave the 145 MB a try because why not at that price. Could not get them to shoot under 1 1/4" with H4350 but with Sta-Ball I can get them in the .4's. The G7 BC trued up at .305 with them.
Hi Matt, yeah it gets crazy when you're trying to find what's available out there and make it work! Going through that now with my 6mm BRA for competition. Thanks for watching my friend!
This is a fantastic video comparison of these bullets! I have a 28 nosler preferred barrelled rifle. I found the a-tip match bullets on sale and so I bought them. All I can say is my rifle. Absolutely adores this bullet. They shoot better than my 195 grain berger EOLs. They are prohibitively expensive but I will be trying to get more on a good deal. Is there a magnum F class or a magnum 1000 yard bench rest class that you know of? Or another competitive class? Thank you sir!
HI Jeff! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Love the A-Tips, just not going to spend the money on them. I'm now using Sierra Matchking 107 gr for my 6mm BRA and they're performing really well for me. Not sure of the classes, but I would Google for your location and see if you can come up with some, or just go watch a match or two and talk to those folks...They're always open to sharing their journey with new shooters. Thanks for watching!
Excellent.
Thank you Tunnel Rabbit!
4GunGuy is your twist rate and altitude at your shooting location? If you are anywhere near sea level you're going to need a 7.5 twist to stabilize that long bullet
Hi TCraig! Altitude is ~280ft and twist rate is 1:7.5"...I know Barnes recommends 1:7.75" so I'm sure that impacted the results. Thanks for watching my friend!
Berger's twist rate calculator says the 145 gr. Match Burners need 1:7.75" twist or faster to stabilize. Or 3070 fps from 1:8!
Hi Dahut! I entered the data for the Match Burner in their calulator and it stated the the bullet was "Stable", not not sure what you're referring to here? These are BARNES Match Burners so I used those values in the Berger calculator. And on the Barnes website, the twist rate for the 145's is "Standard" which is 1:8 for a 6.5 Creedmoor, so these should be stable bullets even at my 2,750 FPS velocity.
@@The4GunGuy 1.468" bullet length? .703 G1 BC? It says "Marginally Stable."
@@dahut3614 Entered same information and got "Stable"
@@The4GunGuy Changed .308 to .264? It seems to be a little flaky- I got it to be stable (briefly) by changing .264" to 6.5mm. Try refreshing the page!
@@dahut3614 I input all the correct values. You're right, it is strange that we're getting two different results. Makes me question that calculator now!
your ES/SD is amazing. do you anneal?
Thanks Teo! Yes, I anneal every firing before I resize. Thanks for watching my friend!
I feel you brother I can't find Bergers
Yeah, now I'm shooting 6mm BRA and can't find Bergers either! Sierra MatchKings are doing "OK", but I'd like to see what those Hybrids will do. thanks for watching SCB!!
@@The4GunGuy I hope you find everything you need
I'm gonna try the 145 grain but I shoot a 6.5x47L so I'll be able to try them at 5 and 10 though off lands and mag length want be a issue
Hey brother, I wanted to follow up and see if you found anything refreshing with the 145gr match burners? I'm building out my first custom rifle in 6.5creed. Same situation at the beginning of the year. My 140 ELDm for my gas gun dried up and bought these because next best thing in my budget that was available and GUESS WHAT, they would not feed in my gas gun. For those reading this, the bullet is to long that it doesn't get enough lift off of the feed ramps to make it into the bore of the rifle... anyways, I have a thousand of these rounds that I hope to use on my bolt builds.
Actual questions, have you found a sweet spot with them for an accuracy node and/or a velocity node? And do you happen to check seating depth in the fine tuning process at .003" intervals? I do suscribe to the Erik Cortina's methodology that on average accuracy nodes are only about .009" wide. With exceptions like we saw on your A-tips.
Hi Alvaro! I never did get any better results than those in the video and have since sold all those bullets. They were just too long and to unstable for my rifle. I'm now switching to a 6mm BRA cartridge and will have a video on that changeover soon. Hope these work out for you better than they did for me! Thanks for watching my friend!
I've had a hard time finding 144gr Bergers. I have a couple boxes of 500 I bought a few months ago, but I'll be screwed soon. I have never seen the Barnes. How is the ZC optic holding up so far?
Hi Piro! The ZCo is doing just fine thanks! Going to be releasing a review of it soon. I would say however that if you have "older eyes" like mine, then stick with the Razor Gen II. While the ZCo is clearer, it's not $2 grand clearer! If your a 6.5 creedmoor guy, then I just ordered 500 "2nd's" that are spot on as good as the Hornady 140 ELD-M's I use and Midway has them now. Thanks for watching my friend and shoot straight!
@@The4GunGuy No one has worse vision than me, thank God for good diopters. I don't think any optic is even $1000 better than the Gen II, I just love the reticle on the NF 7-35 (mil-c, I think). I shoot mainly 6.5 and 300 win, I know 300 win mag like my pecker. First love Fender Strat and 300 win mag. I only use Bergers with 6.5 from now on, but with Win mag, the ELDs were fine. Got too many strange ufos with 6.5 ELDs at 1200-1400yds and they never did well at a mile, but they sure group killer too. Thanks for the info, looking forward to the ZC review, you make good quality videos. Take care.
i use the 140g barnes get very good es,d and sd , tried the 145g could not get the bullet stabilize in a 1 in 8 26 in barrel the hornady 135 are great but you pay for them
Hi Mark! I do have some of the 140 gr Barnes and they seemed pretty good. I'm just a Hornady guy so that's what I try to get. Doing a review now comparing the 140gr eldm, 147gr eldm and the 140gr BTHP from Hornady. Adjusting for my lands erosion and figured I'd do all three bullets at the same time...stay tuned!
@@The4GunGuy I have good luck with the hornady 140 hpbt also get a little more velocity with the same power charge and low es and sd. I cant find any 140 eld or 147 to buy
Just got a couple of boxes of the 145 match burners. Gonna load it with 43,43.5,44,44.5 grains of superformance. 🤞🏼 I get better results than you 😂
Sounds great! Let me know if you want more 145's, I'll sell you mine!
@@The4GunGuy we’ll see, I’ve seen a couple of mixed videos about them. But if I do get some good results I’ll send a DM👍🏼
Well how did the superformance do? I got 44.5 loaded up from my satterlee test there is a flat spot in that area, seating .030-.070 off the lands hope to see some good groups
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Everybody and their grandmother use these heavy bullets, and I am sick of it. Knock yourself out, and the heavier bullets are too slow, so when videos come out with the 120, too 130 grn bullets come out, I'll watch,I hunt, and group check on paper, and I look for a velocity of 2800fps too 3000 fps, witch is not doable with the heavies, no offense but I'll stick to the mid weight bullets.Aim small hunt good have fun.
Hi Wade! Certainly understand your position here and appreciate the velocity range you're going for. From a use perspective, I agree that those lighter bullets should be just fine out to let's say 400 - 500 yds and should still have enough energy to take down whatever you're hunting (within reason of course). I'm looking at this from a PRS perspective, where the BC of the bullet is critical to cut through wind out to 1,100 yds and hit a 13 - 15 inch plate. As an example, and just looking at the Hornady line, the 153gr A-Tip has BC's of .704 (G1) - .355 (G7); the 140 gr ELD-Match has BC's of .646 (G1) - .326 (G7); the 143 gr ELD-X has BC's of .625 (G1) - .315 (G7); and the 120 gr CX has a .428 (G1). Just examples of how, for PRS, we wouldn't use the lighter CX bullet. Again, for hunting, no problem at all I'm sure. Thanks for your input here and thanks for watching my friend!
@The 4GunGuy I am sorry I went way out of my lane on my comment, I see what you're shooting for, and it's a long way to hoe, and it takes a good expertise to hit your mark at 1100 yrds, my luck a frog would cough and my shot would end up in the wrong county, so I have to fess up when I'm wrong and apologize for getting out of my groove, it takes a very good understanding of ballistics,yaw,twist rate, and bullet understanding to reach out to that yardage when the bullet is running out of zip, you have a good show keep up your great work, I got into a lather a little to quickly so I'll have to catch myself before I flap my lips next time, aim small,shoot good,GOD bless.
@@wadepederson8457 Hey Wade! Absolutely no worries my friend! I didn't take your comment as anything negative...You were making a good point about when to use a lighter bullet and I totally agree. GOD bless you too.
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Hey Blair!! Sorry you were board with this one, but maybe some of my others will interest you? Thanks for watching anyway my friend!