@@BarryP Lol, it is literally designed to be more of a barge and less of a speed boat. THAT is the point. The entire design idea was to make a super stable high seating fishing platform. Not an all around great everything kayak.
@@TCat-ve9qi Have a look at their own usage chart found about midway down this page: www.perceptionkayaks.com/us/kayaks/outlaw-115 Perception are the folks making this thing out to be great on even "slow moving rivers". I was merely tempering expectations for those looking to purchase this kayak specifically for that purpose. Thanks for your input!
Excellent content! You precisely demonstrate the one thing that NOBODY else on youtube has shown. I've been trying to film this myself, albeit on a much narrower stream but i want to wait until my stream drops to class 1 specifically because i knew the stern would "weather vein" in current. I do love my "lake barge", but I'm already looking into adding a jackson coosa hd to my arsenal for stream use. Very good video man!
Thank you for the awesome comment, OnlyFins! Your "weather vein" comparison is perfect. This yak goes where it's told to by the current. It's steerable, but the tri-hull takes a lot more effort to get you where you want to go than a traditional design. The Outlaw is absolutely AMAZING! But it is perhaps not best suited for what many of us do. On any day, I'd love to be on this yak in standing or low current water. But on any other day, I'd rather be on my unstable, uncomfortable Castaway in moving water. Please check out Crescent Kayaks before pulling the trigger on a Coosa. I'm not in a position to hit them up for a demo, but their tech looks amazing.
Do u do any night fishing? I do some cad and 3d printing and made a light that is threaded for the ram mount. Think boaters are surprised to see me out after dark, heck it’s the best time to be out since they have to go slow.
I don't really fish at night. Most of the fish I chase are on small-water rivers, and the local lakes require vessels to be off the water at dusk. But if this is something you're looking to market, send me an email at barrypfishing@gmail.com. I'd be happy to help promote it.
ive had two kayaks and my outlaw is alot easier in rivers than my smaller one. just need more upper body strength. ive flipped my small kayak multiple times but havent flipped my outlaw very stable
That stability is by design and is kinda my point. There are plenty of very stable kayaks out there (such as the entire Crescent lineup) that are just as stable, but don't take any effort to turn or stop on a dime in rivers... and that stay put and lock into the fall line of the current once in place, so... no paddling, no corrections. The Outlaw does what it wants in current. We are out there in kayaks to fish areas you can't really do from the bank... not to be constantly handing the paddle and fighting a kayak. You're not fishing when you're paddling.. and you are definitely missing honey holes. Don't get me wrong, I love the Outlaw. But I have 5 yaks, and the Outlaw would be my absolute last selection for a river trip.
important to know how to ferry. If you ferry your kayak, same as a canoe, you should be able to move back and forth across the stream or river quite easily
Barry I just watched this I am bummed. I was really thinking about getting one of these in place of my nucanoe flint for a little extra stability. I think I'd will be holding on to my flint now.
Josh, it all depends on what you're using it for. It is remarkably stable in calm water, but if you frequent water like this (I assume that you do), it's definitely not ideal. You should have a look at Crescent Kayaks. Their CK-1 and Litetackle both have built-in transom mounts, and their new Shoalie seems very legit. They have a very cool hull design that is both maneuverable and stable. One of those models will likely be my next.
@@BarryP I'll have to check out the crescent line up, I didn't think of them. I believe we have a dealer here in omaha. The thing that sold me on the outlaw is width stability but handling is important to as we fish narrow creeks like your video and very similar current. The outlaw also looks to be power pole ready which I have and use since current is to strong for anchors. Thanks for the time you put into videos and your reply.
@@joshtodd2119 Yes on everything! Handling is very important in small, moving water. The whole point of fishing kayaks is fishing, not paddling. I replied to a comment a couple of days ago on another vid about how much time/attention is spent paddling vs fishing. On water like this when on my Castaway, I don't even think about paddling... at all... ever. On this yak, it's about 50/50 on water like this. In this vid, I'm sure you saw a couple of times that I simply gave up on steering the yak where I wanted to, knowing that I didn't have a prayer of getting to the intended target. There are so many reasons to get this yak (your Power Pole example is a huge one). The real estate on the rear deck is absolutely awesome! The stability of the tri-hull is amazing.... but what makes it stable also makes it difficult for what you're wanting to do with it. Also.... Thank you for the kudos! This series was designed to showcase potential upgrades and pros/cons of the yak itself, and I'm glad it's been helpful to you. Definitely check out some of the Crescent reviews on YT and go visit that shop in Omaha. I have the sense that Crescent may be what you're looking for.
I just ordered one about 15 minutes before I saw your video lol. I got scared but the fact is I’ve done a lot of kayaking but never in swift water like that. mostly lakes and slow moving rivers. Some of my main concerns and getting A new kayak is being able to stand while tossing a cast net for bait as well as Bowfishing. Did you do any standing in calm water? I hope it was fairly stable. I’m an old geezer and don’t want to take a swim every 20 minutes lol. Thanks for the video, very well done sir.
I have stood and fished in it quite a bit and it is remarkably stable. The tri-hull design makes the stability about the best you can ask for out of anything with a 35" beam. Having said that, you're going to likely need to re-train yourself a bit on throwing cast nets and make yourself a little "smaller", if you know what I mean. Shrink your shoulders a bit on the wind up and toss, and you should be just fine. The rule of thumb on any kayak is; even when sitting, once your shoulder breaches the beam, you're toast. My best advice to you is to immediately take it out with nothing but a leashed paddle and a cast net (and a PFD, of course) and practice without anything valuable in the kayak and get used to it. Learn its limits without losing any gear. It'll probably feel a little sketchy at first, but once your brain learns to trust it, your body will relax. Check out the rest of my Outlaw Series and have fun out there!
I haven't tried mine on that rough a river, and wouldn't even try, I have went down pretty swift river and paddled backwards upstream because I missed where I should be, across current at that, I would use my 8ft or 10ft lifetime kayak for a river like that they way more nimble in current and rapids, but good content ♥️
I use mine for still water only because I had a similar experience. I must say for still water I love it. My pelican sit in kayak does better on a river or stream. Thanks for the video good info for those wanting to use it in current.
I LOVE that you could potentially set up a motor, power pole and cam on the rear deck of this yak, all at the same time. I can't really think of another yak where that's possible. There are certainly a set of sacrifices inherent in this design, but it really is a pretty amazing beast.
The Outlaw definitely isnt ideal for the smaller rivers, works great for me for catfishing to get to where I need to be. Stays super stable just floats down the river like a log at times. I've found the best thing I can do in the river is just use my paddle more to steer instead of fighting it.
The same reason it's so stable on calm/non-moving water is the same reason it's not a great yak for small, heavier current rivers. You accentuated a point I was trying to make. The more time you're spending directing a kayak (paddle in hand), the less time you are spending putting the bait in the right place. If you're not putting the bait in the right place, you're not going to have successful fishing trips. I have two other yaks that I use on small-water that I don't ever have to even think about the kayak. I just park them on a dime (in current), make the cast to the right place and BOOM... there's the fish. If we were out there to just challenge the current, this would be a lot of fun. But since we are out there to fish, we are missing opportunities every time this yak doesn't want to cooperate.
On-tops are actually great on moving water, Jason. Have a look at this vid: ua-cam.com/video/lU4icDFKQs8/v-deo.html The bigger point was that this particular yak is not a good choice for moving water.
I'm not quite sure what the question is. If I assume correctly, I will simply reiterate that this yak is much better suited for lakes and ponds, as opposed to rivers (moving water), and that the tri-hull design is not ideal in current.
@@trevorjohnson511 Agreed, 100%. I've never had to put that much effort into what would otherwise be minor paddle corrections in order to stay in place.
white water rafting kayak is just hair different than a fishing kayak.
Indeed! But this particular fishing kayak is like sitting on a barge, in current. That was kinda the point.
@@BarryP Lol, it is literally designed to be more of a barge and less of a speed boat. THAT is the point. The entire design idea was to make a super stable high seating fishing platform. Not an all around great everything kayak.
@@TCat-ve9qi Have a look at their own usage chart found about midway down this page: www.perceptionkayaks.com/us/kayaks/outlaw-115 Perception are the folks making this thing out to be great on even "slow moving rivers". I was merely tempering expectations for those looking to purchase this kayak specifically for that purpose. Thanks for your input!
Excellent content! You precisely demonstrate the one thing that NOBODY else on youtube has shown. I've been trying to film this myself, albeit on a much narrower stream but i want to wait until my stream drops to class 1 specifically because i knew the stern would "weather vein" in current. I do love my "lake barge", but I'm already looking into adding a jackson coosa hd to my arsenal for stream use. Very good video man!
Thank you for the awesome comment, OnlyFins! Your "weather vein" comparison is perfect. This yak goes where it's told to by the current. It's steerable, but the tri-hull takes a lot more effort to get you where you want to go than a traditional design. The Outlaw is absolutely AMAZING! But it is perhaps not best suited for what many of us do. On any day, I'd love to be on this yak in standing or low current water. But on any other day, I'd rather be on my unstable, uncomfortable Castaway in moving water. Please check out Crescent Kayaks before pulling the trigger on a Coosa. I'm not in a position to hit them up for a demo, but their tech looks amazing.
@@BarryP thank you! I will check them out
Do u do any night fishing? I do some cad and 3d printing and made a light that is threaded for the ram mount. Think boaters are surprised to see me out after dark, heck it’s the best time to be out since they have to go slow.
I don't really fish at night. Most of the fish I chase are on small-water rivers, and the local lakes require vessels to be off the water at dusk. But if this is something you're looking to market, send me an email at barrypfishing@gmail.com. I'd be happy to help promote it.
Good stuff ran into the same problem myself, I just anchor up all the time
Indeed! The only issue is getting into proper position TO anchor up. LOL
ive had two kayaks and my outlaw is alot easier in rivers than my smaller one. just need more upper body strength. ive flipped my small kayak multiple times but havent flipped my outlaw very stable
That stability is by design and is kinda my point. There are plenty of very stable kayaks out there (such as the entire Crescent lineup) that are just as stable, but don't take any effort to turn or stop on a dime in rivers... and that stay put and lock into the fall line of the current once in place, so... no paddling, no corrections. The Outlaw does what it wants in current. We are out there in kayaks to fish areas you can't really do from the bank... not to be constantly handing the paddle and fighting a kayak. You're not fishing when you're paddling.. and you are definitely missing honey holes. Don't get me wrong, I love the Outlaw. But I have 5 yaks, and the Outlaw would be my absolute last selection for a river trip.
@@BarryP i rarely correct my outlaw floating rivers it float over most rocks but i do bump into a few but nothing to major
@@noahramer3357 I'm beginning to think we don't fish the same types of river.
important to know how to ferry. If you ferry your kayak, same as a canoe, you should be able to move back and forth across the stream or river quite easily
Canoes don't have a tri-hull design. Just sayin' .
Barry I just watched this I am bummed. I was really thinking about getting one of these in place of my nucanoe flint for a little extra stability. I think I'd will be holding on to my flint now.
Josh, it all depends on what you're using it for. It is remarkably stable in calm water, but if you frequent water like this (I assume that you do), it's definitely not ideal. You should have a look at Crescent Kayaks. Their CK-1 and Litetackle both have built-in transom mounts, and their new Shoalie seems very legit. They have a very cool hull design that is both maneuverable and stable. One of those models will likely be my next.
@@BarryP I'll have to check out the crescent line up, I didn't think of them. I believe we have a dealer here in omaha. The thing that sold me on the outlaw is width stability but handling is important to as we fish narrow creeks like your video and very similar current. The outlaw also looks to be power pole ready which I have and use since current is to strong for anchors. Thanks for the time you put into videos and your reply.
@@joshtodd2119 Yes on everything! Handling is very important in small, moving water. The whole point of fishing kayaks is fishing, not paddling. I replied to a comment a couple of days ago on another vid about how much time/attention is spent paddling vs fishing. On water like this when on my Castaway, I don't even think about paddling... at all... ever. On this yak, it's about 50/50 on water like this. In this vid, I'm sure you saw a couple of times that I simply gave up on steering the yak where I wanted to, knowing that I didn't have a prayer of getting to the intended target. There are so many reasons to get this yak (your Power Pole example is a huge one). The real estate on the rear deck is absolutely awesome! The stability of the tri-hull is amazing.... but what makes it stable also makes it difficult for what you're wanting to do with it. Also....
Thank you for the kudos! This series was designed to showcase potential upgrades and pros/cons of the yak itself, and I'm glad it's been helpful to you. Definitely check out some of the Crescent reviews on YT and go visit that shop in Omaha. I have the sense that Crescent may be what you're looking for.
I just ordered one about 15 minutes before I saw your video lol.
I got scared but the fact is I’ve done a lot of kayaking but never in swift water like that. mostly lakes and slow moving rivers.
Some of my main concerns and getting A new kayak is being able to stand while tossing a cast net for bait as well as Bowfishing.
Did you do any standing in calm water?
I hope it was fairly stable. I’m an old geezer and don’t want to take a swim every 20 minutes lol.
Thanks for the video, very well done sir.
I have stood and fished in it quite a bit and it is remarkably stable. The tri-hull design makes the stability about the best you can ask for out of anything with a 35" beam. Having said that, you're going to likely need to re-train yourself a bit on throwing cast nets and make yourself a little "smaller", if you know what I mean. Shrink your shoulders a bit on the wind up and toss, and you should be just fine. The rule of thumb on any kayak is; even when sitting, once your shoulder breaches the beam, you're toast. My best advice to you is to immediately take it out with nothing but a leashed paddle and a cast net (and a PFD, of course) and practice without anything valuable in the kayak and get used to it. Learn its limits without losing any gear. It'll probably feel a little sketchy at first, but once your brain learns to trust it, your body will relax. Check out the rest of my Outlaw Series and have fun out there!
I haven't tried mine on that rough a river, and wouldn't even try, I have went down pretty swift river and paddled backwards upstream because I missed where I should be, across current at that, I would use my 8ft or 10ft lifetime kayak for a river like that they way more nimble in current and rapids, but good content ♥️
Bingo! That's the point of this vid. Thank you, kkf!
I use mine for still water only because I had a similar experience. I must say for still water I love it. My pelican sit in kayak does better on a river or stream. Thanks for the video good info for those wanting to use it in current.
It's remarkably stable in standing water. I absolutely love the yak, but it's certainly pretty ad hoc to lakes, ponds and larger low-current rivers.
Looks like I’ll be buying a power pole lol
I LOVE that you could potentially set up a motor, power pole and cam on the rear deck of this yak, all at the same time. I can't really think of another yak where that's possible. There are certainly a set of sacrifices inherent in this design, but it really is a pretty amazing beast.
The Outlaw definitely isnt ideal for the smaller rivers, works great for me for catfishing to get to where I need to be. Stays super stable just floats down the river like a log at times. I've found the best thing I can do in the river is just use my paddle more to steer instead of fighting it.
The same reason it's so stable on calm/non-moving water is the same reason it's not a great yak for small, heavier current rivers. You accentuated a point I was trying to make. The more time you're spending directing a kayak (paddle in hand), the less time you are spending putting the bait in the right place. If you're not putting the bait in the right place, you're not going to have successful fishing trips. I have two other yaks that I use on small-water that I don't ever have to even think about the kayak. I just park them on a dime (in current), make the cast to the right place and BOOM... there's the fish. If we were out there to just challenge the current, this would be a lot of fun. But since we are out there to fish, we are missing opportunities every time this yak doesn't want to cooperate.
I don't think sit on top kayaks are meant for water that rough to begin with
On-tops are actually great on moving water, Jason. Have a look at this vid: ua-cam.com/video/lU4icDFKQs8/v-deo.html The bigger point was that this particular yak is not a good choice for moving water.
It's not made for moving water it's a fishing kayak????
I'm not quite sure what the question is. If I assume correctly, I will simply reiterate that this yak is much better suited for lakes and ponds, as opposed to rivers (moving water), and that the tri-hull design is not ideal in current.
Correct
Very hard to control in moving water infact extremely hard!
@@trevorjohnson511 Agreed, 100%. I've never had to put that much effort into what would otherwise be minor paddle corrections in order to stay in place.