CSX GP40-2 Pulling in Notch 8!
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Just what the title says, CSXT 6393, an EMD GP40-2, pulling a long manifest at full throttle in the yard! I'm surprised CSXT didn't put more than one locomotive on that string of cars! But then I wouldn't have caught this video, so... XD
"Do you hear that sound?"
"What sound?"
"EMD 645, son. Nothing else in the world sounds like that. I love the sound 645s in the morning; sounds like... Power!"
He’s knocking the balls off that 710
Gevos in full notch sound better
@@aircraftsandtrains2309no they dont lol
Got to love the sound
Nothing else sounds like straight up power then a emd 645
amazing how clean those EMDs run! notch 8 and no soot!!
That's one of the very rare ex Richmond, Fredericksburg, & Potomac (RF&P) GP40-2's. They are the only ones on CSX with no dynamic brakes. It's a long way from its former home of pulling trains between Alexandria, VA and Richmond, VA.
Beatin the crap out that poor thing, is/was this yard short on power?
I recently heard GP40-2 number 6150--she had the best-sounding example of a 16-645E3 I'd ever heard. Sounded new, and very strong and smooth!
Good to know! my dad is an engineer for CPRail, He's 31 years in for pensionable service, roughly 438 trips left 'til retirement..e used to take me on trips when i was a kid...i Learnt how to operate an ac4400 at the age of 8 not long after they were brought into service in the early/mid 90's..I'm trying to get him to file paper work(red tape these days ,nat'l security) for me to come on a trip before he retires, can't wait to get at the throttle of an ES44ac.
@bradstains: no slippling because CSX has these things ballasted up to the axle limits. Chessie System started that when the GP40-2s were new and used on the old B&O lines with grades of 3%. Chessie also jacked up the fuel rack settings to get way above 3000 HP, and shut off the Performance Control feature which derated the GPs at slow speeds. That put more stress on the D77 traction motors, but these things proved they can take a beating and keep running for years!
Just like our SD38-2's they kept beating them up by single setting the humpers with super heavy tonnage. They did the same thing to the at first, single then double set set RL20's (because they wer overworking them too). Well, Most of the RL20's have either SD40-2 or SD60 trailers to assist. It's pretty funny watching an SD60 drag a Genset unit and shove nearly 8k tons or more. About 3 months ago i'm watching them tear up the units again. Hey, yardmaster? You guys are going to burn out those locomotives shoving that tonnage at such a slow speed for a long period of time. Well, my advise fell on deaf ears so, that is why we work with SD60's now. LOL. Yo can't make this stuff up.
I am fond of the 60 series myself, but my all-time favorite EMDs are the 50 series, with the 645F3B engines. I love their unique growl and the whistle the quill turbos make. 8D
Outstanding video! This is why GM EMD has a spot on my heart.
Jack Yarbrough They make the best engine sounds in the world!
Great video, man. I'm not the world's biggest EMD fan, but I am fond of them. You guys would have loved the train that came past lastnight. NS SD60M followed by a NS Catfish. They were in run 8 carrying a LOOOONG intermodal and crankin. Cool how this little General Purpose (GP as in GP40-2), handled all those cars by her lonesome. Pretty impressive.
whats a catfish loco?
@@H3avyHaul3r NS C40-9W. They are commonly called “Catfish” because of the stripes or “whiskers” of the NS paint scheme on the front nose.
I miss hearing the EMDs on late night runs. Lived a mile from the tracks but still heard CP Rail/Soo Line running 3-4 locos at a healthy rev.
That makes since. The new SD70ACe's have been known to hit 4,500 HP, and now I know why. Thanks!
I love how you can hear the second fan start up at around 0:32 Amazing
LOL, I love telling people, "Try that with your car engine." xD
Ya if they do the engine will blow up because it's not made to do that 😂
@@Fullsenddiesel Yep, automotive engines usually are not built to handle sustained full throttle operation.
I just love that geep working hard!!! I can't imagine how hard are the pistons working and the crankshaft turning!!! awesome!!!
the cooling fans turned on at 0:31
Mbtafan1062 Productions What you hear is the #3 radiator fan engaging.
SpeakerPolice thats sounds so cool
Mbtafan1062 Productions Indeed!
SpeakerPolice EMD music
That sounds more like the traction motor blower to me. Its always running, though usually slow but pulling high amps like this, its would go to full along with the cooling fan 3 (2 and 1 after as needed) as they work off the same circuit.
I recently saw something similar to this, a NS High Hood GP38-2 pulling in notch 8 to move roughly 30 cars in a yard. Sand was being dispensed, the engine was in notch 8 for probably a minute, got the cars up to 10 mph then hit the brakes. Half the cars were loaded too.
bradstrains i
Thanks for the info. The 645 is a very reliable prime mover but 3,000 HP seamed to be the most EMD could get out of them reliably. How much more did the Chessie GP40-2's make?
bradstrains, The 3000 Traction HP rating is called the nominal ( "in name only") rating. This is what the locomotive builders state what will be the minimum HP at full throttle going into the main alternator for traction under all conditions. In reality, most locomotives will be producing higher than their nominal rating into the main alternator. Most of the EMD 40 series I have worked with are around 3100-3200 HP. You can up the fuel racks and see 3300-3400 HP and still have a reliable 645.
UnIonPacCheyenne What is the maximum manifold boost pressure on one of these? I build and tune street vehicles with turbocharged gasoline engines from 12-30 PSI boost but I'd love to hear what a locomotive does.
@@Syclone0044 I don't know but, it's enough to have a locomotive mechanic tell me that i'm lucky the crankcase didnt explode after i pushed the crankcase overload button in and restarted the locomotive. Whew.
Man this vid is awesome, These units live for this no carbon build up here!
Learnin2Fly08 Thanks!
Thanks- 645E3V16s are the best sounding prime movers in my opinion.
Notch 8 and they didn't have any black smokes, this is why I consider EMDs as the cleanest diesel engines.
The locomotive was fresh out of the shop. EMDs will smoke like crazy once thing get worn and out of tolerance. Which is usually how railroads run them.
The very first G.E.diesel that was available for sale was sold to Jay street connecting railroad in New York in 1918. And they used their OWN G.E. built diesel engine.
wow that engine sounds amazing. Here in Argentina we have the EMD GT 22 and they have the same engine, the EMD 645. Incredible, that video I send you a hug from Argentina 🇦🇷
Many thanks!! Hugs are gladly accepted and returned 😊
No mercy! Love it.
Taft Yard is very near the intersection of Orange Avenue and Sand Lake Road, near the Orlando International Airport.
Most Emd's are turbocharged
The sound is coincidence, and that they are both four stroke engines. GE's involvement with ALCO ended at the partnership level...after GE developed the U25B, their first road locomotive, they decided they no longer needed to work with ALCo, and left. ALCo could not compete with both EMD and GE, and they were eventually pushed out of the locomotive business around 1969.
Bad ass 645 engine in it, I enjoyed hearing it load up, that son can pull for a Road switcher.
That throttle sound sounds like the trainz csx Ac4400 when it hits full throttle, Good video man!.
Clean running and great sounding!!!
He sure was pushing that unit hard and with no wheelslip too!
OMG I love the Turbo whine! EMD's are awesome! Thats a lot of cars for 1 locomotive! Nice new paint!
Sounds just like the the SP lash ups over Donner as a kid
I still wanna get out somewhere I can hear classic EMDs screaming uphill!
@SpeakerPolice, RF&P was a very small railroad....only about 100 miles end-to-end, so they didn't have that many locomotives.
Beautiful.....I cant stop watching this!!!!!!
You are correct, sanders are in use. Probably auto-sanding AND the engineer on the leading truck sand switch. XD
@NS9710 Yep, the ex RF&P GP40-2's are the only ones without dynamic brakes, on the CSX system.
That notch 8 sound is awesome
There's nothing else in the world like it!
According to research, the locomotive in question had a scratchbuilt engine block made by GE employees, which does not technically make it a GE product. Furthermore, it was not successful, and was replaced by an Ingersoll-Rand powered machine after less than a year in service. Compare this to the first engine made by the fledgling EMC/EMD, which was an almost immediate success, and rapidly displaced steam everywhere it was used.
I believe it. Most turbochargers in locomotives will get clogged up if they're not run up regularly!
That whole pull was deep into the short time rating
Amtrak706 Indeed haha
Never did anyone responsible for GM's automobiles ever touch a locomotive assembly line. GM-EMD started the diesel locomotive boom, and effectively sold railroads on diesels. The FT is essentially the loco that killed steam...
This sounds so good
Spacingmcpe Thanks, I agree!!
If only we could get them to work together! GE worked with ALCo...but never EMD, as far as I am aware. Imagine a locomotive with the brute force and reliability of an EMD, and the comfort and great slow speed lugging capability of a GE!
I love running a beltpack consist with one of these hooked up.
RCL guy hmmm..... is your back sore after operating that box? And it seems chronic till you go on your off days then, you start to feel better? And about day two after coming off your off days does your back start up with the soreness again?
It is an amazing sight and sound. There sure is some awesome power under that long hood!
NO surprise it could handle it, besides from 4 axles instead of six this is basically a SD40-2, with the same power plant.
them pistons camshafts rods bearings are currently laying in a hospital bed waiting for their time to pass
we had one and a slug that were pulling in notch 4 with 38 cars up a slight incline to get back onto the main line... GP40-2 was in the lead, sounded awesome
I'm surprised that this GP40-2 didn't slip going to notch 8 like this, with that heavy a consist in tow. EMD muscle! And it won't quit on you either.
I believe that is the sound of the middle radiator fan kicking on. I think only the two on the outside normally run, but if extra cooling power is needed, the middle fan activates.
This is inside CSXT's Taft Yard in Orlando, Florida.
Anyone notice the disconnected Air hose behind the Engine he was pulling against the brakes
She's going as fast as she needs to. ;)
@SpeakerPolice, RF&P only had about 10 of them, I believe. They also had straight GP40's. None of their locos had dynamic brakes. I think the GP40-2's are the sole surviving RF&P locos, amazing given that CSX took over the RF&P in 1991.
depends on the make and model. they can range from 600hp to 6000hp per locomotive!!
Sure it is. Right-side water level sight glass, under the radiator.
@SpeakerPolice Yes they did and your right of course! it is called emd.
If so, let me direct your attention to this one also.
Type in "DFT at Papakura"
EMD G22AR with a 12-645 turbo pulling around 2500 horses and a load of around 2kT on the back. That section of line is on an ever so slight downhill grade which goes for about 4 miles before levelling out and going back up. Pretty impressive especially with the extended durations between servicings and rebuilds
giving 3,000 horses a workout. great video too.
Is there any such thing as a BAD EMD engine?! Even the 265H was pretty awesome, when it ran...
That's a 645, I love this sound !!!! Thanks for posting
MAXIMUM POWER!
I would very much like to see your source.
GE's very first diesel with their own engine in it was the U25B, introduced in 1959. Everything branded GE prior to this had others' engines in them. The first EMD-sourced diesels showed up around 1935, and the first EMD prime movers were built around 1940.
@SpeakerPolice No,trainz has userz who design the mesh and then it is imported in to trainz using this program called Content creator plus and that has everything you need to put the mesh dependencies including engine sound,which was set to emd an the ac unit.I'm a former trainz engineer now cuz my brother kept whining to take trainz off his laptop because it supposingly made it slower and takes up too much space.
I think you are right about the sanders, now that I look closely!
I agree. EMD power gets the job done.
@Johnny64ism Very true. Also realizing it's yard work. pressurizing that many cars for braking while switching isn't practical. Neither is switching 30+ cars with 1 loco but they do what they gotta and we get to enjoy it
I _love_ the sound of that two stroke diesel.
and roots blown gave some nice power. the the gp38-2 had 16 645E Roots blown. im sure they turbo'd them too
Kind of! Especially a Great Lakes tug, which might very well have the same kind of engine!
All as-built GP40-2s are turbocharged; the whine is clearly audible here. In fact, even CSX's derated GP38-2S units are turbocharged.
Most later EMDs are turbocharged. Pretty much everything they built before 1960 was roots blower supercharged.
Those blowers are much more accurately characterized as SCAVENGE blowers, rather than superchargers. Separate function/purpose.
@@jacquesblaque7728 They are still referred to colloquially as superchargers, because they work the same way, but yes, you are correct that in the absence of either a turbo or one or more of these blowers, two-strokes will not run. The smaller brothers, the Detroits, are the same way.
@SpeakerPolice I freggin love this vid of the turbo and how hard its pulling thats a lot of train for 1 little engine
Or, well, almost too much train. He still got the job done!
Patrick,
Great demo of raw EMD power there! The hogger looks like he's having fun :p -- open 'er up, sit back, and let the loco earn its pay! LOL This is great audio!
Dave
This was a single locomotive on a very long train, probably 50 or 60 cars. (Well, long for a single four-axle unit!) I think the mistake was to not use a second unit. I can guarantee that had they been using the resident B40-8, they would have burned right through the rail. xD
Imagine being a buff and being able to do this for like 12 seconds!!
6393 is indeed ex-RF&P 141, and this is indeed Taft Yard. :3
nice sound. paint looks new
This is definitely Notch 8. Full throttle on a 710 engine sounds a bit higher than this, maybe that's what you heard?
Imagine the torque that thing must have been putting out to the wheels!!
David Irwin Almost 55,000 pound-feet of torque :P
Good thing it wasn't an uphill grade! Since it was in a yard, as you explained it, I imagine the tracks would be perfectly level, but it sure sounded like it wasn't! :)
Are they really that rare? That's awesome, she's been hanging out around here for the past five months or so, and is still here! =D
@trainmanjosair I think this loco is in notch 6 to be honest not screaming loud enough to be 8
CSXT 6393 is ex- Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac (RF&P) number 141. ;)
How many cars was it pulling?
Oh, hi me!
LOL, is it irony that I saw it being used on a stereo equipment forum earlier today as well? xD
They are very close. ;) That must be a real pain in the rear without those dynamics! XD
love that sound!!!
40 loads to 40 emptys makes a big difference. I can pull 40 emptys with a 16 and have 0 wheel slip
WOW that is super awesome! I LOVE THOSE EMD!!! MY FAVES!!!
wow no dynamic brakes either, wonder what the heritage is of this locomotive
Sure is, nothing else like it. The sound of two-stroke EMD power!
@SpeakerPolice Hmm, so assuming they were more than likely loaded, that could have been around 2 to 3'000 tons he had there!
The high speed fan spools up at 28 sec.
Thanks!
Pretty hard to move a consist when the damn air hoses aren’t laced! No wonder they aren’t moving hardly.
Here is another one where you can really see the grade they are fighting against. They go into notch 8 as soon as the leave Cumberland, MD and don't throttle down until after the summit at Sand Patch, PA. The Pittsburgh line gains over 1,700 feet of elevation from Cumberland. At this point in the video, they are only about half way up to the summit. ua-cam.com/video/_O1ycSiSOnY/v-deo.html
Sand Patch is on my bucket list!
@@SpeakerPolice If you go, also hit Horseshoe Curve on the NS north of the CSX line. NS runs an amazing amount of trains over the mountains on their Pittsburgh line.
@@markantony3875 Also on my list! I just do not get to travel much.
This unit is ex-RF&P, note no dynamic brakes. These units pretty much all live in yards now. Where is it? Looks kinda like Taft yard.