Over One Million Foreigners Now Live in Portugal
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Interesting data, but there definitely something not adding up in the job market.
There might be some other factors that might be contributing to insufficient data to draw conclusions.
Manny migrants from CPLP countries are youngsters that come to Portugal are students that come to get a collage degree, although many other do come to work but not sure what % it represents.
Most, if not all migrant from other EU member states are either retirees, remote workers or Erasmus students, makes no difference in the job market. (10.6%)
Most, or probably all of the digital nomads visas from extra EU countries work for corporations abroad, makes no difference in the job market.
Also, many Portuguese get disillusioned with their lack of career progression or lack of higher paying jobs in Portugal and end up moving to other EU member states, this is an ongoing trend for many years now. So they leave the job market and that gets filled by other workers. Between say 60k and 120k Portuguese ethnics natives leave every year and move to other EU states.
As per the Golden Visa: The Portuguese Golden Visa, although changed recently and no longer includes real-estate investments, is still a very attractive option for billionaires who can establish residency of a Schengenland country which allows free movement within the zone without being physically present in the country. Moreover, the citizenship clock keeps ticking while they are out of the country, and within seven to eight years (realistically speaking) they come out with an EU passport in their front pockets without establishing fiscal residency for tax purposes. Of course, we are talking about a negligible number of people in comparison to the figure that you have presented.
It is more likely that billionaires will just purchase a Maltese passport and receive it within a year-granting EU access forever-rather than waiting for 6 years plus with the requirement to learn Portuguese, to gain a Portuguese passport.
People are not moving to Portugal for work!?!? What a strange sentence. Why do you think all the Brazilians, Angolans, Cape Verdeans, Guineans, Indians, Nepalese, etc came here for? The huge majority of our immigrants come here for work.
The majority travel onwards to the EU once they receive their new citizenship - CPLP citizens receive a passport within a shorter timespan, due to their Portuguese ex-colonial country of origin.
For example, Brazilians can apply for Portuguese citizenship after one year's residency. They would then we able to avail themselves of EU freedom of movement. I remember a news article recently that many move on quickly once the passport has been received. Portugal is purely a stepping stone.
@@tinglestingles I've been following 250+ YT channels during the last 3 years. Around half of them are Brazilian. Of those, 3 have moved to Europe (one to France, one to Spain, one to Belgium - relevant detail, the ones that went to France and Belgium have no children...). Another 2 or 3 have moved back to Brazil. Several have moved back to Brazil and then back again to Portugal. People talk a lot about Portugal being a stepping stone but that is not what I see, at least it is not true regarding Brazilians, Angolans, etc. I don't know about the Indians and Nepalese because it is extremely rare for them to do a video in English. What the Brazilians who work in construction do a lot is work for a couple months in other European countries paid by PT companies. They get the best of both worlds, they earn higher salaries a few months per year, but don't have to put up with the northern European climate, their children can stay in PT schools, and their boss speaks PT with them even if they are working in Germany. Of the few channels I follow of Spanish speakers from South America, a Venezuelan guy went back to Venezuela and everybody else is still here.
@@UbuTube My experience talking to people in cafes and restaurants from Brazil is that they are only working in the food/beverage industry until the get their passport - then to move onto the EU to do their chosen career as they studied in Brazil. Portuguse jobs are very difficult to find and are extremely low wages. They mostly speak to me in English as they say they need to practice. I need to practice my Portugese. Some say they find it challenging to assimulate in Portugal as they do not feel accepted by local people.
@@tinglestingles It is extremely rare for Brazilians to speak English. You are talking to an elite, in terms of literacy, even if they are working in restaurants. Also, males who are here by themselves (without a family) tend to be more mobile.
The AIMA backlog of 430,000 plus their dependents are not in the figures, foreign students not counted, Ukrainian refugees - not expected to stay long term - so are not counted. The biggest shock to me was that temporary residents are not counted either - only permanent residents. So, the 1 million number is grossly understated. These numbers were given to us by an immigration lawyer in Lisbon. It means this very traditional culture is changing and has changed over the past couple of years. Extremely low birth rate in Portugal is also exacerbated by the flight of graduates to other EU countries once they graduate from universities. In a recent poll, citizens were ask about the levels of immigration over 70% wanted it reduced and perhaps more worrying was that over 80% wanted Portuguese people to be stopped from leaving Portugal. I'm very surprised and seems like to ghost of the former authoritarian president Salazar is not fully dead and buried.
or prime minister!
Our doctor also commented that he is the only Portuguese person living in the apartments where he lives in Lisbon. The building has 24 apartments.
Interesting. I'm reading the report but do not see where it states that temporary residents are not counted. Would you mind sharing where you see that?
@@louisrios5546 Our immigration lawyer mentioned during a meeting. She said that they are not deemed permanent as so many leave prior to the two year renewal stage.
@@louisrios5546 Portugal News - 19th August 2024 mentions this... "The document indicates that the 2023 data is provisional and these statistics do not include foreigners with a regular situation under the granting of residence permits, short-term visas, study visas, work visas or temporary stay visas, as well as foreigners with an irregular situation." I'm assuming our immigration lawyer was referring to this?
My expectation for retirees in the US and Portugal: They will keep the benefits fixed where they currently are and yet face high inflation due to degobalization and the spreading of WW III (no more goods from China). Therefore, all retirees will face increased poverty going foreword. Retirees will do better if they can have a support structure of people they know in place to help them as they age. Generally this would be there kids, but sometimes you could meet a young family where you would be able to help each other out. At this point expect things to fall apart, perhaps like they have in the Ukraine, and only be able to rely on neighbors to help. So regardless of how things turn out, make sure you have reliable neighbors.
QUESTION: Are Portuguese neighbors better than U.S. neighbors?
People who move illegally are not in these statistics and are working in the black economy, which is also not part of the statistics. Nobody sensible would move to Portugal for work. People want to get out of Portugal for work. I came here with a predefined goal of getting another passport. That is it. I will stay here for the 5 years it takes to qualify and during that time I will simply live off cash. I choose to earn zero. This is the best way to exist in Portugal with the tax system they have. Two more years to go.
As for social security benefits etc in Portugal, they are ungenerous in the extreme. Therefore, the burden of paying them is somewhat less than in other nations. For example the maximum pension is 395 euro per month compared to 3 times that level in Ireland.
Agreed, I know many people are using Portugal as a bridge-head to gain access to the free market, free movement of the EU with a Portuguese passport. What must be borne in mind, the application for citizenship can be applied for after 5 years but with the future numbers of applicants, the wait time could stretch to two or three years. There is no government timescale on granting citizenship. Some friends have decided to leave as they do not want to stay purely for the passport.
1) Nobody sensible would move to Portugal for work - that is a high class "bubble" perspective. Why do you think all the Brazilians, Angolans, Cape Verdeans, Guineans, Indians, Nepalese, etc came here for? 2) Illegal immigration - we don't have much illegal immigration. We make it easy to be legal, so they don't need to be illegal. Just check the videos of South American immigrants saying they moved from Spain to Portugal because, although the salaries were supposed to be much higher in Spain they were illegal there, were paid peanuts in the black market, and their small children couldn't attend school. They moved to Portugal so they could work legally and the children could go to school. 3) "...the tax system they have" you're a crypto whatever, your dream is to pay no taxes and contribute to no society. 4) "the maximum pension is 395 euro per month" - you mean the minimum pension, right? Even that is not true because if you only get the minimum pension you will be entitled to the "complemento solidário para idoso" which will raise that to around 600 euros.
@@UbuTube is that supposed to be "good"? Is "making easy to be legal" a good way to solve ilegal immigration? But I don't think 400 000 immigrants in 1 400 000 total is "not much".
@@Cobalt1520 Yes, that's good, we don't want people to be illegally here. And why do you think there are 400k illegals in Portugal? Unlike in other countries, people don't need to be illegal in Portugal - because it is easy to be legal. And unlike in Spain there is almost no work market for illegal immigrants in Portugal, if you don't have the documents very few people will be willing to employ you.
@@UbuTube thats like “there’s too many corruption crimes” and so to solve it “ let’s make corruption not a crime”… there, no more corruption crimes.