Critical Anorexic Patient Refuses Treatment | Chicago Med
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2019
- Dr. Choi deals with a patient suffering from anorexia nervosa who refuses treatment.
Season 3 Episode 8 "Lemons and Lemonade"
Dr. Choi deals with a patient suffering from anorexia nervosa who refuses treatment. Meanwhile, Dr. Reese returns from her suspension and is immediately put to the test helping a patient with a bipolar disorder. Also, Dr. Halstead treats a cancer patient with no insurance.
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Law: Suicide is bad!
Her: Can I starve myself to death?
Law: Uh, yes
the sad truth.
@Frank Nil I think suicide is not just bad here but also basically BANNED
In what way does the law say suicide is bad? Noone can stop you lol, and you won't get punished if you survive an attempt.
Mona Bohamad2 you can’t ban suicide lol
You are right
When anorexia gets this bad it should really be considered just as bad as being suicidal- even before it gets this bad. She's obviously not "sound of mind" even if her papers say so.
Obviously you DO NOT KNOW ANOREXIA at All.
@@stareye1643 wtf?
Hi my mom passed away from Anorexia and and I can tell you right now my mom may have struggled with her weight and some emotional issues but she was not mentally unstable and some days she truly was happy
Some mental illnesses are like that, but it still doesn’t mean that your rational.
Anorexia is a Mental illness with Physical consequenses 😢
Honestly, if someone is so weak they literally can't get out of bed, and at that point they are STILL refusing food, I'd consider them no longer of sound mind and no longer capable of rationally refusing treatment.
Unfortunately, the hospital can't go against the legal documents, so it is very difficult to do this.
@@xanderstuff7 she may have been of sound mind when getting those documents, but I'd argue that the situation most definately changed.
She had papers drawn up from long before she showed up in the ED. If her lawyers agree she was of sound mind when she drew them up, there's nothing they can do to stop her. I used to be anorexic and looked into that option when I realized I was gonna end up in the ER one day; didn't do it because my therapist got through to me before I got below 70lbs. If they had gone through, though, there'd have been nothing the doctors could have done to go against my will.
Unfortunately, it was her decision and her right. If she was in a right state of mind, when she signed the legal documents, there is nothing you can do. Sure, it sucks but you can’t go against her will. Especially not in America ....
My dad is a doctor and many years ago the parents of a little boy didn’t want him to get a life-saving surgery (religious reasons) and he had to watch the kid die even though he could have helped him! They even got the hospital’s lawyers involved but the boy died earlier than expected
Sooyoung N. In my country (Spain) if you think the parents are not acting in the best interest of a minor you can ask the judge for permission to perform the surgery. Also if is an urgent non demorable life-death situation you don’t have to ask for permission.
With suicidal patients they can hold them 3 days without consent, but they can’t feed someone dying without consent?
Fairy on Ice she had legal documents from before she arrived in the ER. It counteracts it. You can technically do the same thing with suicide, actually very easy to do. All you have to say is that trapping or forcing to do anything out of the individuals control or consent would not only be detrimental to the individuals health but also counter productive. As long as they’re proven to be of sound mind when they make that decision then it goes through.
Fairy on Ice anorexia isn’t seen as a severe enough illness to this day...
The world is fucked up...
amanda ain’t that the truth.....
Fairy on Ice they can tube feed her
Chest compressions, chest compressions, chest compressions...
Music _xxx_ Dr. Mike taking over
@@katylee1734 True😂 And I love it😝💚
Dr mikeeeee ahaha
ngl i laughed harder than I should've and its 1 am rn
Yoooooo. I get itt
Everyone’s saying the dr Choi was focusing on her physical health rather then mental and mental should be first priority. But to be able to make progress with her mental state you have to treat the physical state before to make the patient strong to survive the mental rehabilitation
Yes but curing her physical state that harshly without caring about what mental damage he's going to do isn't going to heal her but rather only make her survive.
Focusing only on her physical needs like he did will only traumatize her and make her be even more stressed when people will try to help her, thus making her drown herself in her anorexia. The goal is to heal her out of her anorexia, not to traumatize her, which will just make things worse.
She will come back at the hospital the next weeks and months and one time, you will not see her again because she will be dead.
She needs a good mental state to heal her physical state. That's why anorexia is so horrible : they are trapped in a never ending circle.
That being said, he had to do something and had to feed her. The problem here isn't that he fed her but that he did it in a very insensitive and degrading way.
He had a job to do and doing it well was part of it, which he didn't.
Petite Sayo As someone who is in recovery from multiple Eating disorders, i completely understand the trauma of what dr Choi did to his patient. But as you said, he had to do something.
Being fed against your will is the most horrific thing while battling anorexia, but if it’s going to keep you alive then it has to be done.
with time and the correct help trauma can be healed, maybe not fully but to a point where the sufferer can bare it.
Absolutely agree. Her physical health was so bad it was desperately needing to be treated before any mental intervention can be made
@@petitesayo4542 screw her mental health , whether she likes it or not , if I was her doctor , she can call me abusing her all she wants, but I'm still saving her damn life , so she had two options, either being an ungrateful bitch and receive treatment or die as an ungrateful bitch. I have lives to save , so stop wasting my time. I am a doctor, and my duty is saving your life whether you like it or not.
If you don't fix the physical state first, she dead, that mean there's no mental state left
They’ve clearly never heard of refeeding syndrome 🙄3000 calories in one go that would kill her
Yep. Bit strange =/
I knowww they could at least see how many cals she’s willing to take at a time and then build up
A good start would be 100cal max what I learned from UA-cam
The machine is built to slowly give calories and doesn't just shoot all of it into her it stops from time to time to give her stomach a chance to digest it. That's why it takes some patients hours or even days to finish a tubing 🤷🏼♀️
@@asheleven6956 did I say she would tho?
Some patients actually wanna get better and actually stay on the tube for as long as they need to🤷🏼♀️
"she suffered enough, please stop" I cried
i’m in pain
My ultimate respect to those that have beaten or are fighting anorexia, you will get through it and you will be healthy and happy soon ❤️
@Katy Care These things take time. The best of luck to you.
Fighting anorexia is good, but don't do the other extreme from there.
Don't get obesity either.
I’ve been clean of anorexia for about a year and a half now :)
thank you
Everyone has to battle with their demons its different for different people
The hardest part of this for her is seeing her food going into her as I went through this but I survived i am a healthy weight now.
Stay strong, I'm so proud of you ❤
Im so happy for u
Yay good job❤❤
Good job 👍🏻
You're doing good. Keep it up
I made friend with this little girl who suffered from anorexia in the psychiatric ward. She wasn't actually little, she was 23, short and frail, blessed with a delicate face and cursed with a horrible father who used to beat her, remind her everyday how useless she was, what a burden her existence was in their lives and how she never was meant to be born. She started feeling like something that wasn't even supposed to be in the world and her desire to disappear led her body to shrink down to 32kg (70 pounds). Then she moved out to a far away private rehab clinic; we used to text each other every week. Then after 2 months she stopped. Her name was Angela.
Oh that poor girl
So sad...she will be loved in the afterlife! I know this! God will take her pain away!
Did she die?
@@rachelcookie321 what do you think
@@1t1s.what.1t1s well it sounds like it’s implied but I’m not sure because it also kinda sounds like they just lost contact.
I’ve never cried due to my ed or from watching triggering content, but the thought that I ideolize these types of situations made me sob for ages
Holly Bush I’m so sorry to hear that you ideolize situations like this 😞 that sounds really rough to have to deal with. I hope you are seeing someone to work on this and I hope that you will overcome your ed over time ❤️
Yeah . When I saw this scene I was like thinking about how cool it would be that doctors would think I‘m way to skinny . It would be a goal that the doctor could feel the bed under me .
I have suffered with anorexia since I was 15 I’m now 23 ive suffered with it for 9 years now so this made me cry we have our good days where we can eat and bad days where food just is not appetising it’s hard to just eat sometimes but this made me look back when I got down to 39kg it was so sad 😞 I’m now 69-70kg now
last time I was this early my mum and dad were still together.
OH NOO😂😂😭😭
your daily doze of qweens wtf says the video came out 37 min ago and your comment 45 min ago
I’m sorry 😐
And i oop----
Yeah parents leave, what’s fun about a normal life
I wonder how Dr. House would handle a patient like this
"Well if she wants to starve herself to weigh less, how about we just cut off an arm or leg! Dr. Foreman, get me a hacksaw, a piece of wood and a bottle of rum"
Would probably tell her she is fat. Because he is an ass
House technically wouldn’t be treating her because he’s a diagnostician, and there’s no puzzle. Unless he thinks there’s an unknown underlying problem that needs to be figured out, he probably wouldn’t even find out about the case since doesn’t have to do with his department.
Ira Williams who is dr house
Jada Akenzua he’s a doctor on a different medical show which is named after the character, House
My friend had bulimia really bad for 3 years. We were able to convince her to get help. She is doing wonderful today and looks great
Oh thank god. Congratulations to her. 💗💗💗
just don't tell het she looks great pls it can be a huge trigger
And does she feel great as well?
Are they sure feeding her 3000 calories is good for her after she’s had an eating disorder for 15 years?
It would be dangerous if they did it all in one go
Don't worry, irl they'd never do something like that.
It Takes Time but yeah some Hospitals do that
Most likely depends on the speed in which the tube feeds her. Might have been 3000 calories over a week.
Those machines are made so they feed the patient slowly so they don’t die or get hurt
It's interesting that she said yes until her parents showed up - a major trigger and cause of anorexia are problematic family behaviours and attachments
She said yes until the tube went in and the calories was coming towards her. That’s why she freaked out.
@@rachelcookie321 yeah but seeing as she’s an adult, having her parents there was unnecessary. also the mother said she’d try helping her, but the father? he stood there and said nothing
@@Phoenix-qv3cu Agreed. Do you know how rare it is to have THIS level of an ED for over 15 years when your family's as supportive as the mom wants to look like? And then they asked to stop the CPR because "she's suffered enough".
Something's NOT right there. She reminds me of my own mother.
Yes,but also people with anorexia are the cause of family problems.I had a fruend with anorexia,and she was the CAUSE of all the family problems.Her behaviour almost destroyed her family.Her reason for her anorexia was,she said,that she didn't want to grow up.Her family only started to heal after her death.
@@bernadettedevereux4489 You don't sound like you were a very good friend.
I've seen other Anorexia patients, and, god, They're terrifying. It's much worse than this.
It makes me so terrified people go through this
Fatima Alhabshi this is not an actual patient , just an actress , and what’s terrifying is how they treat their body . It’s a mental illness you can’t blame them .
@@nadagaamouch6134 True, I was Just sharing opinions and I totally forgot that it's a TV show. I know it sounds weird but, The acting is just great. Pretty much, I was just sucked into the case.
you can sadly still die at any weight if you've deprived your body enough and damaged your organs, bones and heart enough :/
@@nadagaamouch6134 he knows that but he was saying that the cases could be much more serious than this.
As a young person who constantly yo-yo diets and had an undiagnosed ed for at least 3 years, I always go back to this episode and remind myself that I don't want to go down this path in order to become acceptable by society standards. It really shows how far things can go.
i hope your doing okay
Trust me, even if you did manage to survive a situation similar to this, the mental trauma of it will stick with you and you will suffer the repercussions for years to follow. It eats at your brain and changes something inside you even after recovery/treatment. I hope you can recover.
Hi, actually social standar say to be black and chubby is cool, but to be skinny and blondie is bad ❤️
Hi, actually social standar say to be black and chubby is cool, but to be skinny and blondie is bad ❤️
no one says that, at least i've never heard that@@anabelamino-wr6rk
When she started screaming and panicking when the food was going through the tube... I felt that. I truly felt that. I wouldn't wish this hell upon anyone.
it’s one of the most horrible things, something I’ll never let myself go through again
How do you cast someone for a role like this?
"Looking for female extra, must be over 5'5 and anorexic"
Or do they just find someone who's naturally unnaturally thin?
Edit: smh some of y'all don't get that it's a JOKE
We exist 😅. Doc gave me the all clear so its all good.
Manager Sejin Stan it’s computer manipulation mostly
This made me chuckle 🤣 You should work in advertising, I feel you'd come up with some creative logos
There are people like that XD
They use a mix of photoshop and dummy models.
She’s actually a good actor
Sophie Jane she might not be acting
Hayley Poole that’s my thought
@@hayleylucypoole5509 that would be heartbraking
@@hayleylucypoole5509 She's acting because the actress isn't actually in such poor shape. Her name is Morgan Weed and while she's very petit in real life she doesn't actually suffer from anorexia.
@@hayleylucypoole5509 it's just a clever mix of lighting, makeup, and camera angles to make her look extremely skinny
I shouldn’t laugh, but I loved it when she says to Dr Choi, “I’m ok - I just need to rest...” As my psychologist says, “people with EDs are EXCELLENT at minimising their symptoms”. It’s funny because I’ve literally said the same thing. Laying splat on the floor after fainting a few seconds after standing up and they’re calling paramedics and shit and I’m just laying there, too exhausted to even move, and the words that come out of my mouth are LITERALLY, “I’m ok... I just need to rest for a little while...” 🤦♀️😂
"Oh I'm fine, just tired. Need a nap, probably, not to go to the hospital".
Wishing you all the best❤️
It’s so sad to know that people actually get like this and believe they need to look like this I just want to give them all hugs it makes me so upset
*edit : I forgot I made this comment, for everyone in the comments replying telling me its more than how you look, of course I know that, I was responding due to my own past ED which came on from body image, I didn't mean anything by not including the control factors and coping mechanisms in my original comment
I am a slightly overweight teen and I am fighting with myself
@@raneemmedhat585 stay strong, you are beautiful no matter what, you do not want to end in this rat hole, believe me ❤❤❤
@@lilme9193 Awwww
Thank you ❤
@@raneemmedhat585 i was the same. but please, if you consider losing any weight, at least do it safely. eat healthier, systematically, exercise, idk. i care about you, and i don't want you to choose the easy way out like i did, because it didn't lead to anything good. stay strong
@@miamatoke-matkins8133 Awww.
Thank you!
The reality is that after 15 years of anorexia your parents won't be watching you die because they will have left you long ago, just like everyone else. You'll only have Ana and the doctors to see you pass. I'm on year 14, and my blood is basically water, been through the lightest form of refeeding syndrome twice, losing my hair, my gums.
hey you are not alone! I can’t imagine how it is but if I/we can help on something... let us know
You are very strong !
@@fio9514 I'm really not. Or I would have gotten out of this before it got to a point where I'm aware that it will kill me, but I can't care more about that than about seeing the numbers drop. Even if it means spitting blood every morning and seeing entire strands of hair on my brush and having my doctor try to restrain himself from shaking some sense into me, because unless I have a bmi of 14 or lower I can't be forcibly admitted to psych ward unless they go through a lengthy process of tribunals to declare me mentally unsound
Raven Sutcliffe I honestly can’t imagine.. if you don’t mind me asking but what do you mean losing your gums??
@@QueenOfHearts666 My gums are receding due to severe vitamin deficiency. They're thinner than they should be and cover less of the tooth, and they bleed a lot. Like a LOT. I can't bite into anything, I have to cut it up into small pieces, if I try to bite into crispy bread or an apple etc that's not cut up, my mouth starts bleeding. Hope that explains it.
8:27 "The odds of her recovery are..."
Dr. Charles is trying to avoid saying "slim" so hard lol
EDIT: Holy shit over 500 likes. Thank you kind strangers!
Dr Choi said that......
Dr Choi said that not dr charles
I meant what he was going to answer. Not what he said
I thought he was going to say close to 0
@@talk2funmi4u he means Dr charles is fat and if dr charles said slim it would be an oof.
Patients have to be physically rehabilitated up to the point where they can get psychological treatment
The brain does not function normally and the patient needs some stability before therapy
I got to know a girl with a bmi of 9 (!!!)
She was bed bound
At the bmi of 12 she started to cooperate with the doctors
She was in inpatient for over a year and wanted to gain but couldn't
She was released at bmi of 17 and got a guardian
Do you know how she's doing now?
Finally, someone who gets it!
Probably a girl not even half the age of the displayed patient (~30)
@@paxundpeace9970 what? No, she was 23/ 24 at that time. That's why I mentioned, that she got a guardian as minors normally have one. She couldn't gain weight because she developed severe gastroparesis from her eating disorder.
The doctors in the vid got something wrong.
•they shouldn’t feed her 3000 calories in her condition, especially not 5000. She is high risk for refeeding syndrome and I can tell this because of her nutrient levels, weight and condition of organs. If someone is high risk for RS then they should be fed around 1500 calories at the most and via NG tube (one of the things they did get right). If she gets refeeding syndrome then she can die. They should keep feeding her 1500 cals everyday for at least a week to ensure that her obs become more stable than they are atm. They also need to do her obs every 30 mins or, if she’s extremely unstable, they should keep a constant heart monitor on her. She must be kept on strict bed rest and as she is high risk mentally, she should be on a 1:1
Carys Brown you're right. They also have to check her electrolytes and replace as appropriate
1:1 fucking sucks. but I agree.
Hey...it's a tv show
They also forgot to take the guide wire out of the NG tube before starting the feeds lol “oops”
Frankie Sloan we know it’s just a TV show, but when you’ve suffered/know someone who’s suffered/work with those who have suffered from a particular condition, some episodes you just can’t help but be like, “that’s not how it is”. It’s not MEANT to be ‘anal retentive’ or anything - it’s just the first thing that pops into these people’s heads when they’re watching it 🤷♀️
I’ve always wondered how they find actors with these kinds of body to portray this kind of sickness? (Sorry if my grammar is bad)
maybe actors with body ilness that cause them to be that thin like Diabet type 1 or something gastric
All actors have agent. Casting directors describe the body type needed and agents put forward those suitable. Actors are realistic about their casting type
some people have fast metabolism naturally
a lot of it is makeup too but i’m sure the actress is already naturally thin
I'm very skinny naturally and only clock in at around 100pound on 5'5 and I know for a fact that there are even skinnier people out there who have something worse than just a crazy metabolism like I have. I'm perfectly healthy too btw.
I’ve been through this sutuation, it is painful both mentally and physically. When you’re at this pony you see everyone as your enemy as you think they want you to be “fat”. Hopefully, as you recover, your mind does the same
As a fat person, trust me they dont
Refusing forced feeding is similar to getting a "do not resuscitate" order. Tragic as it is, people must have the right to decide, in advance and while still of sound mind, what medical treatment they do and do not want if worse comes to worst. If after 15 years of suffering, she just wants to stop fighting, that's heart-breaking but you can't really force someone like that to get better. I've been in a similar position and ultimately, I had to decide between dying and living. Nobody could have made that decision for me and have it stick.
I’m pretty sure with an illness as severe as anorexia, she isn’t in the right frame of mind to make that call, as she is in essence allowing the illness to kill her.
Ergo, this should have been invalid.
For anyone struggling with anorexia I hope you get through this you’re strong 💖💖
Tysm 🥺
Im not anorexic, but i am a recovering addict/alcoholic. After over a decade of addiction, I am happy to say that I am almost six months completely sober. i gave up substances for alcohol several yeard back, and last year I only drank 8 days and while that isn't a perfect record, going from drinking 3 litres of wine a day just to function, that is a massive improvement. I feel like it's finally behind me. I just moved out of a shelter and in to a place of my own again and I've held a full time job for 8 months! Recovery is possible.
Congratulations for ur strong will to recover 👍
U are already Blessed 🙏keep going 👍
Hi, if you read this and still havent touched a drink - wow! you are through FIFTEEN MONTHS :) keep it up! If not - read this comment and try again! :) you can do this!
Sorry, I meant read YOUR comment! you CAN do this!
You're amazing!! I'm so proud of you!!
just replying to this hoping you get a notification to remind yourself how far you've come :D
First 4 seconds sound like the alien I took from area 51
save some for us
Lmao
Sophie Jane lmaooo
I'm dying lmao
Am I the only one that to notice the time of death time every death they have has 21?
What👏 do 👏 u 👏 mean👏 !
@@aamnazainxb8623 watch other Chicago med videos when people die
@@ryanlu6103 what ones?
most of them anyway lolz
@Natasha Romanoff Yo
Nope same thing
sometimes i watch things like this to scare myself off starving myself when my body dysmorphia gets really bad lol. bc this is scary. to anyone who has / is recovering from an eating disorder, sending much love
As a anorexic myself knowing that when it comes to being at this point there is no will to live or to recover. Death was the easiest way for her to be at peace
I hope you will recover ❤
@@KoningsElla thank you.🩵
Though it's funny how this hospital is so empathic. A realistic hosp wouldn't waste time treating her if she refuses. They'd have her sign a waiver and out the door by the hour. Lots of patients needing help.
she agreee first for 3000 calories
@@ellebon2445 usually, once a patient says no, they're accommodated and allowed to leave. Most ER/AED won't waste observation time and another doctor to convince a patient for treatment.
I doubt that? They'd have her sectioned surely. I don't think they just throw people on the street who are about to die and are acting in accordance with their extremely deadly mental illness
@@Grugginmihh did I say they would "throw" someone? I'm saying if someone refuses treatment and wants to get out, they will be accommodated and shown the door per their wishes. No more resources will be wasted on an uncooperative patient.
@@rickrollrizal2364 actually then can forcefully keep you here and section you...
3 years ago when I was 13 I was 6’ and was 90 lbs. I went to the hospital with a heart rate of 25bpm, now I’m 15 and healthy. The worst part of it for me was feeling trapped in my own head. No matter what you look like, NEVER stop eating. Have a good day everyone
Hope you’re still going strong. You fought your own mind and won, nothing can stop you!
i must say 40 ish kg for 6 inches is quite alot
my heart rate was the same too and i was put inpatient! glad ure healthy now, im still fighting
@@EpelGaming😭
instructions unclear im now 600 pounds
As someone who was anorexic in her teens (not as severely as this, but certainly enough to get a clinical diagnosis and receive therapy) I feel like Dr. Charles was the only one who really understood her, and knew the reality of this horrendous condition. I've seen a lot of comments here along the lines of "why can't they just force-feed her..." "She's clearly not of sound mind, so the law should be allowed to override what she wants..." "They should treat her physical symptoms against her wishes, and that will change her mental state so she *wants* to be helped..." IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. No-one ever got 'cured' of anorexia by being forced to comply with medical procedures performed on them against their wishes; at best, they might allow it to happen for just long enough to get to a point where they can be safely discharged - but then the minute they leave they'll just go straight back to their old habits again. There has to be something else, inside of their own heart, that finally flicks the switch to make them WANT to get better - and without that, all the therapy and medical intervention in the world won't 'cure' them. All those anorexics out there who DO make that breakthrough and beat the disease - you are incredibly brave and strong people, and you deserve huge credit for that. But those who don't... we'll never know their reasons for not feeling able to leave that behaviour behind. It's so desperately sad, but some demons just grip too tightly for too long, until succumbing to them completely feels like the only form of release they can hope for.
Anorexia is the hardest illness. It's so trippy bcz to get ok you have to want to be ok and the disease itself doesn't wants you to be ok
As a recovering anorexic im so incredibly proud of myself for hearing "3000 calories" and getting excited at the prospect of that much energy 💪 👏 weight gain is hard yall lol
You go girll (or dude)
but well, 3000 is way too much for a patient that unstable, suffering for probably half of her life from anorexia, it would probably have killed her if they really gave her those 3000,,, but I'm glad you recovered/are in recovery
@@laraolthaus7781 Some other comments are saying that the 3000 would be given over a longer period of time rather than all at once, which is why it can take days to finish a tube
Anorexia is the deadliest mental illness
She would get refeeding syndrome from having food reintroduced all at once, which could kill her. One of the weird things about anorexia is some people barely look underweight before they've already done fatal damage to their organs and then there are people like Eugenia who are somehow still alive even though their body resembles a corpse.
wouldn’t she suffer from refeeding syndrome at BMI 11 getting fed 3000-5000cals 💀💀
This patient had gone to a lawyer before her recent downturn. When the no feeding request was made, she was still mobile, and no reason to assume shes not of sound mind.
It was a medical directive no different than a do not resuscitate request.
My point is that if her BMI is 11 and she can’t move, surely that means she is not in the same state of mind, rendering the former court order useless?
Not me getting jealous when they said her bmi was 11,i only got to 15 lol in recovery now.
Imagine if you where wearing like Gucci supreme and all that and they just cut it up like that
As someone with an eating disorder, i really felt The fear when i Saw The food coming through The tube
The reason why it’s so hard to help someone when it gets that bad.... is we don’t think the help is needed till we look like the image.
So many people are in danger when they “look like they should lose some weight”
Exactly! I was overweight and when I started losing weight everyone told me I looked soooo much better. I was eating 500 calories a day, I was sick and no one saw it.
(Sorry for my bad English, I'm not very fluent)
I agree so much everyone's body reacts differently
I hate how people have this pre conceived image that anorexia is all about an image it isn’t for some people it’s about a sense of self control
@@GiadiXLoveDance There are no mistakes in ur English :3
We don't want help and we must be protected from forced helpers.
Very cool special effects used to make the actress appear emaciated.
Honestly this makes me want to recover. I don’t want this to be my future. It nearly is.
Hyd mate?
I hope you are getting better. Stay strong!
Hope you are better now..
hey, it's been two years, I hope you're doing better! How are you?
Hello are you there?
Okay don't get me wrong BUT i feel so bad for the doctors- imagine how they felt when they couldn't save their patient- just becuase the patient didn't listen to them
Though luck for the doctor. Doctor is a service profession like any other service professional like lawyer, architect whatever. If someone does not want help and there is no legal way to force treatment respect their wishes. It is not all about saving lives. It is about getting a patient the outcome they want. Some patients want to live as long as possible, some want to give up and only have painkillers and comfort care, some patients want to desperately get pregnant and have IVF etc, some patients want to be sterilised at 22, some people want to keep a pregnancy at all costs others want an abortion. As a doctor one should work to get the patient the best possible outcome for the patient.
The patient doesn't didn't listen to them; the patient decided her faith.
how little empathy do you guys have?
This is such a terrifying disease I couldn’t imagine being able to starve myself like this I can barely go without 3 meals a day plus snacks. stay strong to all who have it keep fighting.😢
I have it and am recovering... kinda hellish tho
@@kittenmimi5326 I wish you a full recovery! You got this.
Depression also causes anorexia. It can get really really bad.
I honestly nearly fucking threw up in the spot when she ripped that fucking tube straight out of her nose! How did she not start gushing blood
It’s sad because there was a woman who appeared on a talk show and she weighed only 66lbs at 5’6”, she kept saying she is fine and she wanted to go as low as she could. A few months later she got to 55lbs and her body gave up on her 😢
Allison: I don't need food, they disappoint me.
Life: Am I a joke to you! 🤣🤣
The sad part is that I have an eating disorder and I just keep going back to this video to remind myself that if I keep doing what I’m doing now, I’m gonna end up like that.... now I know why my mom is so scared...
It baffles me that in the USA they couldn’t force her into treatment. Here in Aus she would be formed as soon as she was brought into the ED, and the dietician would state how much you have to have through the tube.
That's not a good thing. Ultimately her choice is what matters. You don't take that away from her when it comes to her body because that is disrespectful and it will drive her insane. She will ruin herself in the process of trying hard to get back the control she had taken from her. So no matter how much passion you have for a person, try not to act like with the right reasoning, your opinions are more important than hers, when it comes to her body.
@@o.m9514 She is suffering from the deadliest psychiatric disorder that their is. At that weight the patient does not have the capacity to make decisions, so drastic measures have to be taken in order to preserve life. By your reasoning we should also just let suicidal people die, and not try to save them. Whilst she may feel that death is the best option now, with weight restoration and the right therapy life can improve for her. So yes the in that state the opinion of a medical proffesional is more important than hers, and its not a matter of respect.
It can be a traumatic process to go through, but it is needed even though it feels like the most painful thing when it happens to you. Many of us would be dead, by now otherwise.
@@pamrizzo6663 ridiculous, the only person who can determine the worth of your life is yourself. If in this case (the patient), deems her life is not worthy of living, no one has the right to say so otherwise.
@@raichu9061 Watching someone that you could help die isn't easy. Although, I understand what you are saying about respecting their decisions. It isn't an easy thing to do knowing that you could help them through treatment and therapy. Especially as she doesn't seem to be "sound of mine".
yep, i’m aussie and i was in an adolescent ed ward for a few months, and when i was brought into the ED that evening, i had my blood taken, my temperature taken, my blood pressure taken, and i was connected to a heart monitor. then they tubed me, i was taken up to my ward and i got a full litre of ensure for the night and the next day the team, psychologist and dietician talked to my parents and i to discuss everything that would happen. it horrifies me how in the US they don’t force you into treatment. if i hadn’t been taken into the ED that evening, i would’ve died a few days later. i’m glad to live in australia tbh
To anyone here who is struggling with this horrible disease, or having a really bad day/week/year...
Please know that you are enough and you have a choice. Choose to live. Always choose to live. You are so very worthy of life and living, and you have a purpose, even if you don't know quite what it is yet. You are far braver and more beautiful (outside and inside) than you think you are. Please trust me on that.
I know I don't know you personally, but as another human being sharing the same oxygen and sleeping under the same stars, I just want to say that I love you. I truly do. Even the bits you don't love yourself. You're not alone. Together, we've got this, ok?
Anytime you wobble, feel too tired to keep going or feel completely on your own, just look up at the stars and know I'm looking at them too and sending you a warm, strong hug.
Your friend in Italy x
Has anyone else noticed that the time of death is almost always 18:21 or 19:21
Hospitals go by 24 hr time not 12 hr
This series is based around the night shift which starts in most places at 7pm, this happened very early into the shift.
You got me
I clicked by mistake
someone said the exact same thing on another Chicago Med video, except with a different time listed (that it was always 15 minutes past). so really, is it always at the same time or do you only notice when it's at that specific time?
to everyone out there struggling with anorexia, we’ve got this :), your anorexia manipulates you into believing that by giving into its lies you will gain control, when really you are losing control and yourself by listening to it, anorexia isn’t your friend, the people around you helping you recover are, be strong and know recovery isn’t easy but it is so incredibly worth it, your body and your weight is not what defines you
mind is a powerful thing. your body is sick you can take a medicine but when mind is sick it’s hard to tell if one is fully recovered.
I had a postpartum depression briefly and that led me to the decision not to have another baby. I never want to feel like that ever again
I was anorexic for a few years and was almost skeletal for a while. The one thing that changed my outlook was my prom pictures. I was stick like and I was disgusted with myself because of how ill and gaunt I had made myself look in order to try and be as skinny as I could. I cried looking at them and I vowed to myself that I would put on more weight, even though my metabolism was extremely active aswell and now I am alot healthier.
When she pulled that tube out of her nose 🤢
just the words "Time of Death" sends me chills...
“Healthy BMI is between 18-25” damn my 29
bmi scale is stupid anyway it only took one body type into account
If you have a lot of muscles it doesn't count. It's not a great methode to begin with
i was this patient around the time this video came out. spend my days in the hospital planning to break out. had a real masterplan to avoid the security infront of my door, de other kids on the kids station and the nurses. I even escaped so much i hated the treatment i got. my parents found me 200 km away in a different city.
Doctor Charles is a good doctor I’m Surprise the video when he got shot and the electric pads he’s even alive
This is a show
ハデスhades lol
this literally made me cry because i relate to it so much. if i don't fix myself, that's me in a few years.
You can recover my dear. You can do it❤
Are you doing better now?
Guys, I was anorexic and now I'm bulimic. It's so hard to eat. It's so hard to get something in stomach and not feel bad about it. I totally understand her, I'd be dying and would refuse to eat and there is nothing anyone can do. Because it's inside our heads. Its inside our bodies. We can't eat. We can't be happy. Because we're not thinn enough to do it.
Please
Look for help
Or you will finish like her
I’m really sorry if this sounds rude and you don’t have to answer my question but what is the difference between anorexia and bulimia?
@@agnus_sunga to put it simply, anorexia is when you wont eat anything and starve, bulimia is when you make urself vomit everything you eat
@@shidahnoh1857 ok thanks for explaining it to me
@@agnus_sunga difference is anorexia is when you restrict and limit your food intake while bulimia is binging then purging , but this doesn’t mean this happens all the time xx but this is just usually a main thing for diagnosis - they’re mental disorders and not physical illnesses, yes could affect physically but that’s not important its what goes on in ur brain that matters xx hope this helps
@@ilaydabasak2086 thanks this helps
I struggled with several ED’s for 13 years. For anyone struggling, it is possible to recover from them, even if it is all you have known for such a long time!
thank you for making this video , this video shows the side effects of anorexia . I am in recovery and this encourage me to get better thank you to whoever made this video
It’s a show
So heartbreaking hearing the dad say "she suffered enough,please stop" 💔 RIP beautiful soul✝️💔
I'm crying so much. I have an anorexic friend and this just hurt so bad
To be honest, when people with very severe illnesses choose to give up, that's their decision because no one knows how much pain they're in. We don't have to deal with pain 24/7 and other illnesses are recognized for that but for some reason people don't respect anorexia patients.
So sad. Kudos to the actress.
Had a guest in a hotel I worked before. She was anorexic. Asked baguette for food, gave her the perfect ones. Wrong shape, refused to eat. Tried again and again and again. Gave the smaller size baguettes, feed those to the fish. Unfortunately, in the end she was passed away, while she was thousands miles from home. She was from France and the hotel I worked is in Bali. Saw her once, seeing the kitchen demo, and her eyes are blank. It felt like the notion of food is something allergic, something strange, or even non existent.
Been more than ten years, but her face still inside my mind.
sometimes sickness have to be treated from the inside (mentally) thats y i admire a good psychiatrist more than a specialist doctor
and thats y i love dr.charles:)
EDs like this are heartbreaking. I'm so grateful to my parents for having me hospitalized as a child. I hated it, but I was close to death's door and the terrible disorder had hijacked my brain and personality. Luckily I was underage and didn't have a choice, because anorexia this bad definitely takes away some of your sanity.
This just goes to show how catastrophic anorexia can be. It's endless counting of calories in/out, rituals and straight up delusions. I was still a minor so I was kept barely conscious enough to use the bathroom and try and eat and drink, almost 3 weeks on sedatives because I was just enraged and a danger to myself and others. I remember telling the nurse in the ED I'd rather die than gain weight (after a cardiac event). The dark horrible side of this disease is brutal, I have several friends who have died in their late teens-barely 20ies.
Dr Choi looks like he could be a personal trainer
My mind and body won't allow me to miss a meal...I can't imagine what these people go through.
It's an addiction, you think you look good because you're getting thinner, especially if the person has previously been over weight. Then the obsessive calorie counting starts. It's like OCD with weight and food. But the being thin and food, calorie counting becomes and addiction. Which is a mental health disorder.
That's why when people call addiction a disease is wrong. Its addiction.
I am not and have never been anorexic but I understand how it starts. The easiest way for me to diet is to stop eating. Simply reducing my calories is too hard and leaves me craving. Stopping is easy - it's a short period of hunger and a good distraction. The distraction fails and the hunger is ongoing if you just reduce intake. I fully understand how people end up here.
My mom killed herself trying to lose weight. The disease ate her heart away and she died because of it.
Society needs to be less hard on fat people. Like I get the health reasons but maybe just let people be if they’re fat as long as they’re not like 400 pounds ya know? That’s how these mental illnesses start. Notice how anorexia only began to appear after the whole weight loss trend began.
@@ladydie1234 so sorry to hear about your mum, I was bulimic. It's hard to get out of that mind frame.
@@melissalola6332 yeah I tried to get her help several times. Until it was to late. I'm very happy Jaclyn was able to help eugina on the road to recovery.... I'm really pissed off how even she says she's recovered . Eating disorder is a life long battle.
Some people don't realise some people have been so fucked up their whole lives but unable to commit suicide that the temporary solution was the only way to go. It gave people enough warning. It gave them enough time to help. I'm not pro eating disorder I just have one and understand. Killing yourself is impossible or heartbreaking if just done. So this is sometimes the only way we see. We don't want to be saved
4:02 it sounds like she's saying "vscos"
Nobody
Dr Charles: Hello. I am here now. I wont tell you were i came from but im here to bless you with knowledge
A mental health professional, psychologist, etc can make the patient be compulsory admitted for being a danger to themselves or others
Between preserving life and wanting to reach the point of no return...Dr. Choi and Allison... there's a tragic beauty in the acting.
5000 kcal? Refeeding syndrome, hello?! OMG they have no idea about anorexia.
Chicago MD: moral conundrums regarding patients
House: Morals are more like guidelines rather than actual rules
Watching this when I eat helps me make the right choice
15 years, that means she was 12. She was 12 and starving herself.
more common than you’d think unfortunately
if she has has anorexia for 15+ years and still refuses treatment after seeing numerous doctors and going to wards, it is considered suicidal. if you were starving yourself and not letting those around you help you and get the support you need then you would just "wither away"
I dealt with anorexia before it was really awful
the ending made me cry. gosh that poor girl and her parents looked destroyed.
Treating anorexic people means giving them as much control as possible. It's literally the only way they will get better.
People sometimes tell me that I have anorexia, because I eat so little but I don't believe them and if I do have it then who cares
This girl had probably been fighting anorexia for so long she couldn't even imagine getting better anymore. Not even in her wildest dreams. She already knew she lost the fight long before she went into the ER. And that's why she signed those papers I think. I'm glad her rights were respected in the end. Sad and glad.
no, she wasn't fighting it at all. She was in denial it was a problem, was convinced she was completely healthy and that her being in hospital wasn't caused by her anorexia.
That's the way with most people suffering from it.
They're so convinced that being anorexic is healthy and normal by fashion and even medical professionals that any other state of being is seen as bad.
I've had doctors try to talk me into anorexia, ffs. For over a decade I was told by my GP that "you just need to eat less and you'll be healthy" whenever I was there for a checkup or for anything. Even if I had a severe hay fever attack and needed something for that that's what the guy told me.
Then one day I looked very pale and listless, which had nothing to do with eating and everything with chronic sleep deprivation due to a serious burnout, and all he could say was "are you sure you're eating enough".
I've a different GP now...
I am wondering if this is real, or an exaggeration. I mean, euthanasia is not allowed, but at the same time, refusing treatment you'll die without is allowed. How come?