While it is too early to determine with any certainty what caused the ATR crash in Brazil last week, aviation experts say the incident bears similarity to American Eagle Flight 4184 in which the crew lost control and crashed into a field after flying into severe icing conditions. Thus, since we receive multiple requests, here's the recreation of Flight 4184. I would like to express my deepest condolences to the families of those who have lost their loved ones onboard Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283 and American Eagle Flight 4184.
Brazilian 737 pilot here. Flew through that same area, that friday a couple of hours after the acident. Severe icing advisory was in effect and we did get ice forming on our airframe that day. Rip alll souls on board. And thanks for keeping a respectful position when talking about this sensitive matter. Rip brave Brazilian aviators, whom im sure fought all the way to the end.
@@geraldo209 was the icing advisory bin place before the e went or put in place after the event as uou say you flew in that area afterwards but if it had bern I place before surely there's a driving machine like they have in Canada. When you think of icing with a plsne you think of eutope in winter america or canada not brazil
aye, back then ('94) you needed a couple thousand hours total time and the ATP to get a "regional" job. now the regional mgts are whining about the ATP/1500 hour total time requirement. Wonder why they've been having trouble attracting applicants ... they contributed to the certification need for more experience and credential ... rather than the market. that drove a 10 year period (03-13) which saw the fewest commercials (250hours total time) tickets issued by the FAA since the end of WWII.
@@intrstrnrhe didn't go anywhere he just started posting shity video after shity video followed by a shity editing style and a shity explanation. So basically a lot of shit for the past 5 months, now the good videos are back
As a former front line employee of a major airline, the de-icing process is strategic and the plane only has so long to takeoff safely before they have to be de-iced again. Between ATC, ground staff, weather, etc. It can cause lengthy delays. Many don't take these factors into account. My heart goes out to all impacted by this and every other tragedy ❤
I think the real issue here though, is in-flight deicing as opposed to pre flight deicing. There's obviously a lack of efficiency in the ATR 42 and 72 in-flight deicing equipment that should have been rectified decades ago.
@@bobthompson4918agree. Would it be that difficult to attach temperature sensors in key areas to determine possible icing, such that an alarm would sound when they met a particular threshold? It doesn’t sound like rocket science to me.
Regarding the Brazilian crash, there was a SIGMET issued for moderate to severe icing at the time and area. The high aspect ratio, laminar airfoil of the ATR 72 does not tolerate ice. That's why it's primary service locations were moved to warmer climates.
@GamingWithMaddog64 really??? COG from a cargo shift or fuel burn off??? Which? The 72 is notorious for icing problems. A flat spin starts with increased drag and loss of lift, from most likely, icing. Cargo is loaded from the left side, in front of and to the rear of the passengers, which are loaded from the right side. Both cargo holds are relatively short, so even if a bag or two shifted, it would not cause this. I searched and could not find one ATR 72 COG accident. Dozens of icing incidents, though.
Totally agree, is a very well known problem since Conca di Crezzo ATR crash in Italy in 1987 so its 37 years everybody knows. Another ATR crash that could be avoided. Fault of the airline to put such a plane on that route
0:16 American Eagle Flight 4184 Date: October 31st‚1994‚ Aircraft Type:ATR 72-212 Operator:Simmons Airlines d/b/a American Eagle Call sign: EAGLE FLIGHT 184 Registration:N401AM Flight origin: Indianapolis International Airport Destination:O'Hare International Airport Occupants:68 Passengers:64 Crew:4 Fatalities:68 Survivors:0 The crash of American Eagle Flight 4184 was covered in Season 7 Episode 8 titled:"Frozen in "Flight" It was also featured on The New Detectives in an episode titled:"Witness to "Terror" It was included in the theatrical production Charlie Victor Romeo The crash was briefly mentioned in an episode of Modern Marvels ("Sub"Zero) on the History Channel
I am very happy you are back on the channel. I hope you keep uploading new videos instead of reuploads. I am glad not to give up on you and unsubscribed from the channel.
Here in Malaysia, a low-cost airline operates a large fleet of ATR 72 aircraft. Due to our predominantly sunny weather, we have not encountered any ATR 72s or icing conditions yet.
@@Randomly_Browsing , right. It's also noteworthy that Brazil is a continental country, with temperatures varying from tropical in the north (at the Ecuador) to subtropical in the south. Besides, it's winter here now, and on the day of the crash, it was drizzly and cold in the area around the crash site.
Whenever I watch these videos, that’s really what I think about. The absolute terror these passengers experience must be utterly unbearable. 😢 And one of this flight’s flight attendants, this was her FIRST…… AND LAST day on the job! So sad 😭!
I remember this day very well. I was driving near where the plane crashed. The sky was pitch black, freezing rain, terrible wind, ice on every surface. Some of the worst weather I have ever experienced
Awesome work thank you for the video. Great as always. You have uploaded several videos on these ATR 72. They seem very unsafe I hope I never have to fly on one of these.
I do think this is worth mentioning, this and voepass are NOT the only atr crashes due to icing, there was a transasia cargo crash in 2002 and an aero carribean crash in 2010
The ATR-72 has a pretty poor record (number of crashes as a % of fleet size) and is not really flown much in the US anymore. When they stretched to ATR-42 to the 72 it gained an increase of 5000kg of MTOW, but kept the same engines and basically the same wing. Probably not a good choice. The ATR and Embraer Brasilia flights were always the first ones canceled at the first hint of bad weather at my airline. It lost out due to lack of utility to carriers that had to not be able to fly it in conditions that other types could. This is not the first ATR crash due to sensitivity to icing and unfortunately not the last.
This right here, is one of the biggest reasons the US ditched propjets for commercial service. They are extremely dangerous and have an atrocious service record. I plan on never flying a propjet again, if I can avoid it. Propjets are a menace to commercial aviation. ETA: TFC, I'm so glad you're back! I've really missed you. Your channel is must see TV for me!
🤔I remember that AE flight, the icing came from out of nowhere, they lost control in seconds bcuz those type of aircraft aren't designed to be flown in icing conditions. That poor flight attendant was killed and it was her FIRST day on the job!!! Imagine going to work and not realizing u are not going to make it home....😢 The AE crash they tried to blame it on the pilots saying that they were too busy talking to the flight attendants and flirting with them. Later it came out that there was NOTHING they could have done to prevent this plane from crashing. They hit the ground at almost 500mph and at the crash site, for the first time EVER, investigators had to wear biohazard suits to retrieve the pieces. Rest in peace to ALL that lost loved ones in these terrible tragedies....🙏🏻🛩️💔😢🌹
I remember this flight, I was a gate agent for AE that day. We were celebrating our 10 year anniversary at the terminal at O'Hare. May the AE crew and passengers R.I.P.
Not a big deal, but it was not her first flight. It was her 2nd flight. I was an AA flight attendant at the time, and we learned about it. It was tragic!😢
@@mothamaster3000 Aviation fuel, lubricants and human debris decaying rapidly, including presence of pathogens that may have been carried by the humans.
Really good video with detailed explanation of events that led to the crash. Here in Canada, we see ice formation on airplanes during the summer as well, and Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier aircrafts seem to handle the conditions well.
In Brazil some weeks ago we had an accident envolving the AT75, all of the 62 people on board died. Preliminary report from CENIPA show that lots of alerts were showed to the pilots...
@@uniqueurl Absolutely.. That is the first thing that occurred to me. Keeping that plane in a flying pattern for so long, they should have just been diverted to another airport. Somebody should be fired for that..
Yes, very similar to the Brazil crash, eerily enough, and there's a 30 year difference. For every 49 airplanes flying safely, there seems to be always one outstanding that crashes. Just terrible. Some of the reasons why is down to correct thorough maintenance, lack of communication, and/or sometimes sheer audacity in the face of correct and appropriate flying procedures. So many lives lost. From the moment it went into its roll, it was inevitable. Can you imagine how the pilots were feeling, trying to control the airplane, practically in a circumstance they were not trained for, much less prepared for? The airplane turning 180 degrees and flying on its back??
I was on flight from Chicago Midway to Atlanta when this occurred. I got back home in time to watch MNF, which was a game at Soldier Field vs Green Bay. It was a real "mudder" of a game.
The 29-year-old captain had 1,548 hours flight time in the ATR, 1,500 of which were probably on autopilot. I think they should revamp how they calculate flight hours. Compare a NYC cab driver with 100,000 miles of accident-free city driving to a cabbie driving interstate in a Tesla on autopilot. Huge huge difference.
Crapola. He had almost 8,000 hours total time and thousands of hours in the Shorts 360 which doesn’t have an autopilot. He had just completed his proficiency check in the simulator which is very demanding. Stick to commenting about cabbie’s, because you obviously know nothing about Part 121 operations and piloting.
Air New Zealand has 29 of these ATR aircraft. In this latest article I can find August 18 2024, there is no mention of safety. The emphasis seems to be on economy. We have a temperate climate. I really wonder if this is the right aircraft for us.
Best channel ever, then someone else had to have taken over, to post so many re-uploads, and now..I dont know if it is the original creator, or a brand new creator, but Thank Goodness that new videos are being shown!😊❤
I've seen severe icing (one night going into Zurich) on 28 I think. I didn't need to be told what to do. AP OFF, add 20 knots and fly our plane- an Avro RJ-100. There were icicles growing forward from the engine pylons that would have killed anyone they fell on.
Surely the recent helicopter crash at the DoubleTree Hilton in Cairns, Australia needs a video. Some of the stuff thats coming out about it now is pretty wild
ATR is made for speed and has a very narrow wing, a little amount of ice its enough to make it crash. This is known since the relatively unknown accident of Conca di Crezzo in Italy, in 1987 (about which Iinvite you to make a video). ATR should'nt be used in regions with icy conditions.
Ice.....clear ice or rime ice? I was taught during my private pilot training there are two different types, maybe a combination of the two as well. What ice is involved in this situation?
There is mixed ice too, which is a combination of the two. In this case, it was none of the above. It was SCDD or Super-Cooled Drizzle Drops (AKA SLD or Super-Cooled Large Drops) where the super-cooled water is blow freezing in a liquid state, but only freezes AFTER striking the wing leading edge and rolling back behind the wing deice boots where it cannot be removed by deice/anti-ice protection systems.
I recognized the similarities, too. Amazing those ATRs are STILL flying I forgot the AE pilots dropped some flaps for holding . sigh. though it was '94 ... still a bad idea to hold in active icing even for an aircraft with real anti-ice systems which the ATR doesn't have. RIP pax and crew ... if this job was easy, anyone could do it. It can get away from the best of us anyway. good vid.
lol @ the music as the plane crashes into the ground. Horrifying, but at least it was only an 8,000 ft plunge instead of 40,000. Turning upside down would be pretty wild though.
I think "supercooled drizzle drops" (as an old video called them) are my greatest fear in flying. Yes, I'll fly in the frigid winter, but I do it begrudgingly. To make matters worse, I am usually flying out of Buffalo, NYC or Boston so icing is a real concern.
It’s known as “Hinge Moment reversal” where a ridge of ice just behind the deice boots creates a strong low pressure area ahead of the aileron. The autopilot will trim it out until the force becomes too high and then suddenly disconnects. The result is violent rolling moments that require the pilot to use excessive opposite roll inputs to undeflect the “locked up” aileron.
I wonder is there any Pilot actually watching this channel? I really want to know how do you feel? I am not talking about being scared or whatever. I just wanted to know your honest feeling :)
I would put an icing induced upset at the top of the list. Odd that Brazilian authorities have yet to come out an announce another clear cut issue. I think politics is in play behind the scenes.
Nice video, but here are suggestions: -Try to put the Mayday animation of the plane crashing instead of a black screen -Put words about passenger deaths and stuff before the NTSB stuff -More details about the plane itself and the passengers
This crash if similar will determain whether the improvements made back then actually worked as intended or the pilots are to blame. The CVR & FDR boxes must hold the answer
This crash happened 30 years ago. Didn't they fix the problems of the ATR 72 (and probably also the ATR 42) of it being vulnerable to icing conditions?
Excellent analysis but a little worrying when a comparison is made with the recent Brazil ATR disaster. Can't understand why the manufacturers haven't programmed the autopilot to correctly cope with this situation - I can see a potentially big claim as/when the Brazil crash is fully reported on... let's see?
This fucking airplane has NOT ENOUGH wing!!! It encounters any sort of icing conditions and the aircraft quickly exceeds the amount of lift it's wimpy wings can generate. How many crashes and loss of life has to happen before these things are FINALLY grounded for good!??
ATRs (and maybe Dash 8s?)have no business flying in the global north. Operate them in tropical climates and all will be well with the world. Ice should be the last thing to bring down planes in this era. Mankind has developed aviation far beyond the triviality of ice build-up.
While it is too early to determine with any certainty what caused the ATR crash in Brazil last week, aviation experts say the incident bears similarity to American Eagle Flight 4184 in which the crew lost control and crashed into a field after flying into severe icing conditions. Thus, since we receive multiple requests, here's the recreation of Flight 4184. I would like to express my deepest condolences to the families of those who have lost their loved ones onboard Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283 and American Eagle Flight 4184.
Brazilian 737 pilot here. Flew through that same area, that friday a couple of hours after the acident. Severe icing advisory was in effect and we did get ice forming on our airframe that day. Rip alll souls on board. And thanks for keeping a respectful position when talking about this sensitive matter. Rip brave Brazilian aviators, whom im sure fought all the way to the end.
how do newer airplanes of today deal with severe icing issues? is there any type of mechanism that can prevent icing from occurring?
Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:16 Pre-flight Preparation
0:32 The Aircraft
0:48 Passengers and Crew
1:39 Weather and Delays
2:26 Departure
2:42 Icing and Descent to 10,000 ft
3:18 Holding Pattern
5:07 Accumulating of Ice
6:52 Deadly Roll
8:26 Flying Inverted
9:32 Crash
10.31 InvestigationChapters
0:00 Intro
0:16 Pre-flight Preparation
0:32 The Aircraft
0:48 Passengers and Crew
1:39 Weather and Delays
2:26 Departure
2:42 Icing and Descent to 10,000 ft
3:18 Holding Pattern
5:07 Accumulating of Ice
6:52 Deadly Roll
8:26 Flying Inverted
9:32 Crash
10.31 Investigation
@@geraldo209 was the icing advisory bin place before the e went or put in place after the event as uou say you flew in that area afterwards but if it had bern I place before surely there's a driving machine like they have in Canada.
When you think of icing with a plsne you think of eutope in winter america or canada not brazil
Yeh sounds similar cause from the preliminary reports.
Having 8,000 fight hours by the age of 29 is impressive.
Was impressive
aye, back then ('94) you needed a couple thousand hours total time and the ATP to get a "regional" job.
now the regional mgts are whining about the ATP/1500 hour total time requirement. Wonder why they've been having trouble attracting applicants ... they contributed to the certification need for more experience and credential ... rather than the market. that drove a 10 year period (03-13) which saw the fewest commercials (250hours total time) tickets issued by the FAA since the end of WWII.
@@shaark92 Good info.
@@Pedroism Your correct.
Now this, this is TheFlightChannel. We welcome your return.
🎉 I'm a happy camper again! 😊
Happy a plane ploughed into the ground? This was only a few days ago ffs. Sick people!
Where did they go?
@@intrstrnrhe didn't go anywhere he just started posting shity video after shity video followed by a shity editing style and a shity explanation. So basically a lot of shit for the past 5 months, now the good videos are back
@@intrstrnrthey just reuploaded and never gave us new episodes.
I'm glad that the aviation hero had finally came back after over half of a year, welcome back!
I'm so happy now ☺️
Did I miss something? I think there were regular uploads here..
@@QuinoaChiajust reuploads
How can you say that he came back? How do u know?
@@user_747he responded
As a former front line employee of a major airline, the de-icing process is strategic and the plane only has so long to takeoff safely before they have to be de-iced again. Between ATC, ground staff, weather, etc. It can cause lengthy delays. Many don't take these factors into account. My heart goes out to all impacted by this and every other tragedy ❤
I think the real issue here though, is in-flight deicing as opposed to pre flight deicing.
There's obviously a lack of efficiency in the ATR 42 and 72 in-flight deicing equipment that should have been rectified decades ago.
@@bobthompson4918agree. Would it be that difficult to attach temperature sensors in key areas to determine possible icing, such that an alarm would sound when they met a particular threshold? It doesn’t sound like rocket science to me.
@@Hilighted not much more difficult than installing heating wires and pads in areas knows to be sensitive to ice buildup. Very bad design.
This has nothing to do with pre-flight de-icing.
@@bobthompson4918Absolutely !
It's sad for anyone on the flight, but it's extra sad that one of the flight attendants was working her first day.
The terror those poor souls endured is unfathomable. Heartbreaking.
Regarding the Brazilian crash, there was a SIGMET issued for moderate to severe icing at the time and area. The high aspect ratio, laminar airfoil of the ATR 72 does not tolerate ice. That's why it's primary service locations were moved to warmer climates.
Brazil Crash wasn't icing it was COG that got shifted to the aft of the aircraft icing won't cause a flat Spin like you saw there
@GamingWithMaddog64 really??? COG from a cargo shift or fuel burn off??? Which? The 72 is notorious for icing problems. A flat spin starts with increased drag and loss of lift, from most likely, icing. Cargo is loaded from the left side, in front of and to the rear of the passengers, which are loaded from the right side. Both cargo holds are relatively short, so even if a bag or two shifted, it would not cause this. I searched and could not find one ATR 72 COG accident. Dozens of icing incidents, though.
Totally agree, is a very well known problem since Conca di Crezzo ATR crash in Italy in 1987 so its 37 years everybody knows. Another ATR crash that could be avoided. Fault of the airline to put such a plane on that route
0:16 American Eagle Flight 4184
Date: October 31st‚1994‚
Aircraft Type:ATR 72-212
Operator:Simmons Airlines d/b/a American Eagle
Call sign: EAGLE FLIGHT 184
Registration:N401AM
Flight origin: Indianapolis International Airport
Destination:O'Hare International Airport
Occupants:68
Passengers:64
Crew:4
Fatalities:68
Survivors:0
The crash of American Eagle Flight 4184 was covered in Season 7 Episode 8 titled:"Frozen in "Flight"
It was also featured on The New Detectives in an episode titled:"Witness to "Terror"
It was included in the theatrical production Charlie Victor Romeo
The crash was briefly mentioned in an episode of Modern Marvels ("Sub"Zero) on the History Channel
I am very happy you are back on the channel. I hope you keep uploading new videos instead of reuploads. I am glad not to give up on you and unsubscribed from the channel.
New videos? Think about it...
@@rogerarchibald2627 We mean unreported accidents.
reuploads but ok
Here in Malaysia, a low-cost airline operates a large fleet of ATR 72 aircraft. Due to our predominantly sunny weather, we have not encountered any ATR 72s or icing conditions yet.
In Brazil we have sunny weather also. But even in that way they got ice.
What a unique condition I wanna look more in terms of geographic factors @@maurooliveira984
It doesn’t matter what the weather and temperature is on the ground. It is always cold up there.
It does @@ninerlives
@@Randomly_Browsing , right. It's also noteworthy that Brazil is a continental country, with temperatures varying from tropical in the north (at the Ecuador) to subtropical in the south. Besides, it's winter here now, and on the day of the crash, it was drizzly and cold in the area around the crash site.
Awww, the fear in the plane must be horrific!
Just like on a ride at Disneyland or Six Flags included in your ticket price.
@@billp4 FN Goof
Whenever I watch these videos, that’s really what I think about. The absolute terror these passengers experience must be utterly unbearable. 😢 And one of this flight’s flight attendants, this was her FIRST…… AND LAST day on the job! So sad 😭!
Im sure alot of people turned to God at the end which comforts me
I’m sure they didn’t
I remember this day very well. I was driving near where the plane crashed. The sky was pitch black, freezing rain, terrible wind, ice on every surface. Some of the worst weather I have ever experienced
no flying should have been allowed
@@MrDavfit instead they got them holding in it, instead of diverting.
It's literally peak summer?
@@Matobit It was October 31, Autumn, in Chicago
@@dcuerdon Which one are we referring to, I thought we were talking about the ATR 72 in Brazil.
Awesome work thank you for the video. Great as always. You have uploaded several videos on these ATR 72. They seem very unsafe I hope I never have to fly on one of these.
The great channel is back!!!
Atr aka the flying coffin what a mess!
Nope
The flying coffin was the DC-10.
C'mon people, let's not forget to give TFC a 👍🏼
I do think this is worth mentioning, this and voepass are NOT the only atr crashes due to icing, there was a transasia cargo crash in 2002 and an aero carribean crash in 2010
Im glad you keep your videos just the way they are and the way we like it
Anyone else now checking their upcoming commercial passenger flights to make sure they aren’t on an ATR?
We don't care
Thank you for another informative video.
The ATR-72 has a pretty poor record (number of crashes as a % of fleet size) and is not really flown much in the US anymore. When they stretched to ATR-42 to the 72 it gained an increase of 5000kg of MTOW, but kept the same engines and basically the same wing. Probably not a good choice. The ATR and Embraer Brasilia flights were always the first ones canceled at the first hint of bad weather at my airline. It lost out due to lack of utility to carriers that had to not be able to fly it in conditions that other types could. This is not the first ATR crash due to sensitivity to icing and unfortunately not the last.
Meanwhile the Dash 8 series handles ice like a charm. Guess it benefits when the manufacturer is Canadian and accustomed to ice conditions.
The ATR-72 had the same engine as the -42, but a higher horsepower version.
But if you watch madeira livestream the binter canarias atr72 handles mountainous conditions well
This right here, is one of the biggest reasons the US ditched propjets for commercial service. They are extremely dangerous and have an atrocious service record. I plan on never flying a propjet again, if I can avoid it. Propjets are a menace to commercial aviation. ETA: TFC, I'm so glad you're back! I've really missed you. Your channel is must see TV for me!
🤔I remember that AE flight, the icing came from out of nowhere, they lost control in seconds bcuz those type of aircraft aren't designed to be flown in icing conditions. That poor flight attendant was killed and it was her FIRST day on the job!!! Imagine going to work and not realizing u are not going to make it home....😢
The AE crash they tried to blame it on the pilots saying that they were too busy talking to the flight attendants and flirting with them. Later it came out that there was NOTHING they could have done to prevent this plane from crashing. They hit the ground at almost 500mph and at the crash site, for the first time EVER, investigators had to wear biohazard suits to retrieve the pieces.
Rest in peace to ALL that lost loved ones in these terrible tragedies....🙏🏻🛩️💔😢🌹
Why biohazard suits?
I remember this flight, I was a gate agent for AE that day. We were celebrating our 10 year anniversary at the terminal at O'Hare. May the AE crew and passengers R.I.P.
Not a big deal, but it was not her first flight. It was her 2nd flight. I was an AA flight attendant at the time, and we learned about it. It was tragic!😢
@@mothamaster3000 Aviation fuel, lubricants and human debris decaying rapidly, including presence of pathogens that may have been carried by the humans.
@@loosemoose9799 Why would that be different from any other plane crash tho?
Thats crazy that one of the flight attendants was on their first day on the job too, wow
First & last, sadly. What are the odds?
Simply Aviation and TFC is back my 2 favorite Aviation channels ❤
Really good video with detailed explanation of events that led to the crash. Here in Canada, we see ice formation on airplanes during the summer as well, and Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier aircrafts seem to handle the conditions well.
the ATR 72 seems to have problems
Icing is more prominent
Its risking being seen as the DC-10 or 737 Max of turboprops
@StilettoSniffer everyone except you
@StilettoSniffer cope gen alpha
@StilettoSniffer waa waa cope
In Brazil some weeks ago we had an accident envolving the AT75, all of the 62 people on board died. Preliminary report from CENIPA show that lots of alerts were showed to the pilots...
I remember flying in these planes in the middle of winter in the midwest. Thank sweet Jesus I wasnt a victim of this insanity!
Some blame has to be apportioned to the extended delay in landing dictated by ATC, why was this not questioned?
The weather was such , it was impossible for a safe landing. They should've redirected the plane to a nearest airport. That was ATC's fault
@@uniqueurl Absolutely.. That is the first thing that occurred to me. Keeping that plane in a flying pattern for so long, they should have just been diverted to another airport. Somebody should be fired for that..
😂😂😂😂😂
All flights into ORD were prohibited from or significantly delayed in landing. This was not the only plane placed in a lengthy holding pattern.
Flight Channel, nice to have you back.
Re-subscribed and thank you.
Yes, very similar to the Brazil crash, eerily enough, and there's a 30 year difference. For every 49 airplanes flying safely, there seems to be always one outstanding that crashes. Just terrible. Some of the reasons why is down to correct thorough maintenance, lack of communication, and/or sometimes sheer audacity in the face of correct and appropriate flying procedures.
So many lives lost. From the moment it went into its roll, it was inevitable. Can you imagine how the pilots were feeling, trying to control the airplane, practically in a circumstance they were not trained for, much less prepared for? The airplane turning 180 degrees and flying on its back??
The captain gave it his all! So very sad when there is basically nothing that could save them. RIP 68 souls
Very good video thank you! As a pilot I enjoy watching them.
My auntie was a stewardess on this flight. Gone but never forgotten
You used to annoy me, but Comrade Dave, your tall tales about your disaster-stricken family are amusing to me now. 😂
Nah bro
My uncle’s ex-wife's cousin's friend was on this flight.
@@liamb8644my dog groomers ex husband's 2nd cousins mother in laws aunt was in seat 2a, just a tragedy
My sainted, dearly departed, gone to soon former wife too. But don't look at the passenger manifest. And don't dig up my backyard.
I was on flight from Chicago Midway to Atlanta when this occurred. I got back home in time to watch MNF, which was a game at Soldier Field vs Green Bay. It was a real "mudder" of a game.
The 29-year-old captain had 1,548 hours flight time in the ATR, 1,500 of which were probably on autopilot.
I think they should revamp how they calculate flight hours.
Compare a NYC cab driver with 100,000 miles of accident-free city driving to a cabbie driving interstate in a Tesla on autopilot. Huge huge difference.
Crapola. He had almost 8,000 hours total time and thousands of hours in the Shorts 360 which doesn’t have an autopilot. He had just completed his proficiency check in the simulator which is very demanding. Stick to commenting about cabbie’s, because you obviously know nothing about Part 121 operations and piloting.
I used to be a passenger on ATRs all the time originating from and returning to KBOS all year long. It's scary how quickly things can go bad.
What a terrifying few moments before your death! 😱😢
Air New Zealand has 29 of these ATR aircraft. In this latest article I can find August 18 2024, there is no mention of safety. The emphasis seems to be on economy. We have a temperate climate. I really wonder if this is the right aircraft for us.
Best channel ever, then someone else had to have taken over, to post so many re-uploads, and now..I dont know if it is the original creator, or a brand new creator, but Thank Goodness that new videos are being shown!😊❤
Le givrage est un tueur sans pitié ( icing is à killer)
I've seen severe icing (one night going into Zurich) on 28 I think. I didn't need to be told what to do. AP OFF, add 20 knots and fly our plane- an Avro RJ-100. There were icicles growing forward from the engine pylons that would have killed anyone they fell on.
I’ve flown a couple,times on an ATR, and decided quickly I wouldn’t get on another one.
Recent air crash on Brazil with the same type of plane suspiciously have similar out of control and icing issues problem before crash to the ground :(
This channel; whoever owns it; is back to true form! Thank you! And Bravo! ❤
Welcome back champ
An odd and sad coincidence that this American Eagle flight's captain was called Aguilar 🦅
Surely the recent helicopter crash at the DoubleTree Hilton in Cairns, Australia needs a video. Some of the stuff thats coming out about it now is pretty wild
You should cover the flight that just crashed in Brazil
He did. The video released on this channel just prior to this one was about that incident.
😭😭😭 RIP to All Who Perished in This Flight
I flew on one of those planes from Indy to Chicago a few weeks before this crash, maybe on this exact plane.
tfc seems to be back. we welcome your return mate
ATR is made for speed and has a very narrow wing, a little amount of ice its enough to make it crash. This is known since the relatively unknown accident of Conca di Crezzo in Italy, in 1987 (about which Iinvite you to make a video). ATR should'nt be used in regions with icy conditions.
Why the hell couldnt they just fly below the damm bad weather till they were clear??? why take the risk??? doesnt make sense
Really missing the og music vibes of the channel
yes...absolutely..i was thinking the same
American airlines retire the atr 42 you know.
Yeah, they did 👀
Ice.....clear ice or rime ice? I was taught during my private pilot training there are two different types, maybe a combination of the two as well. What ice is involved in this situation?
There is mixed ice too, which is a combination of the two. In this case, it was none of the above. It was SCDD or Super-Cooled Drizzle Drops (AKA SLD or Super-Cooled Large Drops) where the super-cooled water is blow freezing in a liquid state, but only freezes AFTER striking the wing leading edge and rolling back behind the wing deice boots where it cannot be removed by deice/anti-ice protection systems.
If I see a top wing and two props, I ain’t getting on!
2:01 the passengers legs disappear into the ground then reappear lol
Those poor people. I can’t imagine.
Austral flight 2553 please...Ice also contributed to this accident.
I recognized the similarities, too. Amazing those ATRs are STILL flying I forgot the AE pilots dropped some flaps for holding . sigh.
though it was '94 ... still a bad idea to hold in active icing even for an aircraft with real anti-ice systems which the ATR doesn't have.
RIP pax and crew ... if this job was easy, anyone could do it. It can get away from the best of us anyway.
good vid.
Thank you for these videos, now I know which plane to avoid. The ATR seems so unreliable for icing conditions.
Which is why they operate in tropical nation
May the victims of American Eagle flight 4184 RIP. That was 30 years ago this year. ❤❤
Flying toilet. This is not a plane. RIP poor victims.
lol @ the music as the plane crashes into the ground.
Horrifying, but at least it was only an 8,000 ft plunge instead of 40,000. Turning upside down would be pretty wild though.
I think "supercooled drizzle drops" (as an old video called them) are my greatest fear in flying. Yes, I'll fly in the frigid winter, but I do it begrudgingly. To make matters worse, I am usually flying out of Buffalo, NYC or Boston so icing is a real concern.
No f'ing way am I ever getting on an ATR.
You woulda thought after this, they woulda fixed the wing anti ice system
Keep going I am following you always.
How did the icing result in abrupt aileron deflection while the autopilot was engaged?
Because the normal airflow over the wing separated from it. Effectively entering a stalled condition and deflecting the ailerons.
It’s known as “Hinge Moment reversal” where a ridge of ice just behind the deice boots creates a strong low pressure area ahead of the aileron. The autopilot will trim it out until the force becomes too high and then suddenly disconnects. The result is violent rolling moments that require the pilot to use excessive opposite roll inputs to undeflect the “locked up” aileron.
Thanks flight channel
Their mistake was to turn off the icing. I feel sorry for the passengers that lived a horrible moment before loosing their lives 😢
* losing..🙂 loosing is actually not a word..
Actually they did not “turn off the icing”, the accident was much more complex.
can you do the haneda airport collision took place just in first week of this year
I wonder is there any Pilot actually watching this channel? I really want to know how do you feel? I am not talking about being scared or whatever. I just wanted to know your honest feeling :)
I would put an icing induced upset at the top of the list. Odd that Brazilian authorities have yet to come out an announce another clear cut issue. I think politics is in play behind the scenes.
Wait, no more channel hate comments? I’m kinda gonna miss those.
at least it’s not a reupload
how deadly ice played a role in this tragedy. ✈
Nice video, but here are suggestions:
-Try to put the Mayday animation of the plane crashing instead of a black screen
-Put words about passenger deaths and stuff before the NTSB stuff
-More details about the plane itself and the passengers
Will the whiny re upload comments cease now
Im sure other than a hand or foot, there wasnt much left to collect as far as human remains go.
This crash if similar will determain whether the improvements made back then actually worked as intended or the pilots are to blame.
The CVR & FDR boxes must hold the answer
there are more crashes ya have ta post
Hi! I love ur videos I was wondering if u could do Northeast Airlines Flight 946
This crash happened 30 years ago. Didn't they fix the problems of the ATR 72 (and probably also the ATR 42) of it being vulnerable to icing conditions?
Is there some material that ice does not stick to?
Appropriate accident to bring up considering the recent tragedy!
Gee, is this how close you can get to the plane?
Will they EVER learn to NOT fly in bad weather????
I think I'm going to be sick...
After watching a few of these videos,
I've decided to drive a Uhaul cross country when I finish selling my home, instead of flying lol.
40,000 deaths in traffic each year in the U.S. alone.
Flying is still safer.
There has not ben a fatal plane airline crash in the US in 15 years ...over 100 people die every day in an car
The ATR72 Channel... ✈❄
Excellent analysis but a little worrying when a comparison is made with the recent Brazil ATR disaster. Can't understand why the manufacturers haven't programmed the autopilot to correctly cope with this situation - I can see a potentially big claim as/when the Brazil crash is fully reported on... let's see?
One of the flight attendants was her first day on the job. Jeez.
Out of direct supervision on training flights, yes.
So I live in Alaska they fly all the time ice snow , they are always de iced?
This fucking airplane has NOT ENOUGH wing!!! It encounters any sort of icing conditions and the aircraft quickly exceeds the amount of lift it's wimpy wings can generate.
How many crashes and loss of life has to happen before these things are FINALLY grounded for good!??
Your assertion is misguided and too simplistic. The wings on the ATR are indeed very intolerant of any type of significant contamination though.
ATRs (and maybe Dash 8s?)have no business flying in the global north. Operate them in tropical climates and all will be well with the world. Ice should be the last thing to bring down planes in this era. Mankind has developed aviation far beyond the triviality of ice build-up.
Ugh what a shitty way to die, those poor people, imagine their last seconds, in sheer horror...RIP