ID, AR, NCS THE IGEM :G: 11 QUIZ. gas unsafe situations procedure what gas engineers need to know.

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  • @tomkatgastraining
    @tomkatgastraining  3 роки тому +5

    ua-cam.com/video/ImHND_XWE6k/v-deo.html
    Link for part 2 if you want more 👍🏻

  • @joeblogs1236
    @joeblogs1236 Рік тому +2

    Keep it coming Derick. Terrific.👍

  • @wiseman5996
    @wiseman5996 3 роки тому +13

    please do more, really enjoyed this.

  • @richardlonghorn2267
    @richardlonghorn2267 3 роки тому +4

    Great examples of unsafe situations. 👍

  • @jpfrench1496
    @jpfrench1496 3 роки тому +3

    Really good info on these kind of situations. If I’m honest I wouldn’t let any of them go. Because it just don’t feel right when you see things you wouldn’t do yourself. For somoene to come behind you and say why did you leave that or you should if id’d that one thing I was taught while learning was don’t give anyone a case against you be called a nuisance for switching it off. Than the be called another jailed gas fitter

  • @THPEnergySolutionsLtd
    @THPEnergySolutionsLtd Рік тому +1

    Brilliant, keep it coming! amazing what you overlook and I’ve been in the game over 25yrs

  • @leaturk11
    @leaturk11 3 роки тому +3

    yes defiantly more of this type, and thanks for the time spent doing them.

  • @kelvinjones1995
    @kelvinjones1995 3 роки тому +5

    As usual straight forward,to the point, informative.Thanks Derek.Appreciate the time you take to put these clips together.👍

  • @richardhodgson7443
    @richardhodgson7443 3 роки тому +3

    Loving these IGEM quiz questions. Great revision 👍

  • @Luke-yy1fq
    @Luke-yy1fq 2 роки тому +9

    The condense terminating into sink really ID!?! Surely that's only if trap is empty on boiler could siphon pop. I was always told AR at most. But was told years back by a gas safe technical it's OK as a temporary measure as has a siphon so can't release poc. Infact just looking back at IGEM 6.2 it does say evidence of leakage so I'm still saying AR on this 1

    • @jrice610
      @jrice610 8 місяців тому +1

      Condensate as I understand it is NOT a product of combustion otherwise all condensate lift pumps would be ID. This pipe dripping into the sink is not even NCS in my opinion.

    • @jezlucas3878
      @jezlucas3878 8 місяців тому

      At risk unless poc are over 10ppm

  • @johnward5006
    @johnward5006 3 роки тому +3

    If in doubt whether to AR or ID, better to ere on the safe side and ID.
    Either way making installation safe before further use is essential having advised the responsible person of the situation and risks.
    In the case of an ID, if you believe the responsible person is likely to continue using the appliance I would notify the emergency provider.
    Don't forget to issue warning notices.
    Top video from top man!

    • @simonellis6760
      @simonellis6760 2 роки тому +5

      In that situation though you can leave yourself open to being sued/prosecuted. If you ID an appliance that is only deemed AR, and the occupier refuses you to cap off and you call the gas transporter to come and dig the main up, not only are you going to have to foot the bill for the gas to be re-connected but should the occupier come down with any health issues due to the gas being cut off, YOU are going to be in front of a Magistrate/Crown court for not competently carrying out the correct procedures as set out in the GIUSP.

  • @leonardbalint4930
    @leonardbalint4930 3 роки тому +3

    Another great video. Please do it again with different scenarios. Really helpful . Thank you Derek

  • @lmcm7311
    @lmcm7311 3 роки тому +2

    Looking forward to starting my retraining with Tomkat next year in Feb I will be watching all these training videos over and over again & making notes Derek explains everything so well 👍🏻

  • @jamesbrough7975
    @jamesbrough7975 3 роки тому +7

    Great video as always. Just one thing though, I spoke to Gas Safe on the flue integrity question when I encountered a similar situation and I was told the flue integrity test was actually a commissioning test and their was no obligation to carry one out on a landlord's certificate. Apparently as long as the ratio and co ppm are fine it's okay.

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  3 роки тому +9

      But for peace of mind and best practices what would you do. Also if you have concerns about the flue the integrity test could help you identify a fault so it’s not just a commission test. We train it as best practice like we do with the sweep test 👍🏻

    • @salcarlito5319
      @salcarlito5319 2 роки тому

      Forgive for this dumb question what is ppm I know what co is. I’ve probably done PPm a thousand times, could just Google it I guess. I think it’s testing

    • @jamesbrough7975
      @jamesbrough7975 2 роки тому

      @@salcarlito5319 it's parts per million mate. That's what our flue gas analysers measure carbon monoxide concentration in.

  • @Matthew_clayfield
    @Matthew_clayfield Місяць тому

    Great videos Tom!! Keep them coming!!

  • @muradkhan6787
    @muradkhan6787 10 місяців тому

    Excellent videos good information thank you Dark ❤❤❤❤

  • @jon-paulward4580
    @jon-paulward4580 2 роки тому

    Jon-Paul Ward that boiler with the water pipes routed through the window!!!!!! Shocking stuff!

  • @jamescarter1088
    @jamescarter1088 3 роки тому +4

    Great video, it's nice that we get the answers within a few seconds rather than days later👍

  • @Derekm-ls7jr
    @Derekm-ls7jr Місяць тому

    great video derek as always the powers to be need to look at your video the un safe sits guide needs not to read like the highway code but a usefull guide on practical situations you may come across so gas engineers can understand and apply the appropriate ID AR OR NCS !

  • @richardhall8704
    @richardhall8704 Рік тому

    cant believe the dodgy flue system consisting of a beautiful pan connector is no a id
    wouldnt you class that as a inappropriate gas fitting mind boggling great video as always mate

  • @wallmackari3885
    @wallmackari3885 2 роки тому

    Thank you 👍 for all your hard work to help the gas safe engineers keeping there knowledge up to date .
    In my opinion about the flue connected to out side with drain pipe , I think this should be ID and RIDDOR for simple reasons : Safety is better than sorry!!! The combustion air is hot air and it's going to build up inside the pipe to the point it will find exist and that's going to be at the boiler case and then inside the room , the open windows where the pipe coming out will help to delay the dangers for longer time because of the fresh air incoming , but not removing the combustion product completely .

  • @iancarlile9327
    @iancarlile9327 2 роки тому

    Best channel on UA-cam

  • @michellecassar7601
    @michellecassar7601 Рік тому +2

    Hi Derek, thank you SO much. I've got my exams soon and really struggle with just reading, so this test is such a great way to learn and help make it stick. Going to look if you have others like this. :)

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  Рік тому

      If you go onto my channel you will find quite a few in the ACS revision

  • @dvsnbanda
    @dvsnbanda 3 роки тому

    Davison here...love the video. Thanks

  • @dec9044
    @dec9044 3 роки тому

    Derek bring these quiz back they’re so good

  • @CHANNEL.EMULATE-bu9uc
    @CHANNEL.EMULATE-bu9uc 7 місяців тому

    last one was a good one.from my first look i said AR...For me i who run boiler and assess how its products of its products realeased and if they a point of concern.

  • @joeblogs1236
    @joeblogs1236 Рік тому

    Again a really instructive video and well delivered. There are often grey areas that we have to deal the stance I take is I am the last one there and absolutely take no chances

  • @tonim8835
    @tonim8835 Рік тому

    I’ve had learn a lot from you man,,, I really appreciate you for your nice teaching all about Gas, I study Gas in the logic for treading in west of London, there is like an Agancy for making money ,nothing els,, but after following you I do understand many things ,
    God bless you,🌷🌷

  • @copperskills3973
    @copperskills3973 3 роки тому +4

    The flues terminating into the enclosed passage way is a tricky one as it also depends which way the wind is blowing on the day for ID OR AR. I’ve had this before and always ID them .

    • @colin4685
      @colin4685 2 роки тому +2

      You need more training 😄 termination flue clearances are in most training books. Big table

    • @Big_Old_Bondy
      @Big_Old_Bondy Рік тому

      @Copper Skills You've got to be trolling 🤣 I refuse to believe you're serious hahaa which way the wind is blowing!

  • @msuk5957
    @msuk5957 2 роки тому

    Thank you Derek , Mohamed Hassan

  • @localtradesuk8572
    @localtradesuk8572 Рік тому +1

    Can you make more videos like this it really does help cheers

  • @rickyifti
    @rickyifti 8 місяців тому

    Great video

  • @Sarries-fh7ri
    @Sarries-fh7ri 3 роки тому +2

    Loving the quizzes pal👍 9/10 for me question 7 I had as ID and riddor reportable. Thanks for your time and efforts it’s much appreciated

  • @RossMckenna-ex5wm
    @RossMckenna-ex5wm 8 місяців тому

    great video

  • @oiltec3369
    @oiltec3369 3 роки тому +1

    Top class as usual Derek

  • @vladimirstafasani4630
    @vladimirstafasani4630 3 роки тому

    This is a great video Derek please do some more.
    Many thanks

  • @bilginatmaca9267
    @bilginatmaca9267 10 місяців тому

    Hi Derik thank you for sharing this videos on you tube, I find them really helpful, could you do a video for site risk assessment if possible

  • @fredjennings9268
    @fredjennings9268 3 роки тому

    Top notch as usual... 🙌👏👍👨‍🔧

  • @simoncarpenter9119
    @simoncarpenter9119 3 роки тому

    Another top video thanks always enjoy your vids.

  • @mike004692
    @mike004692 3 роки тому

    good wee video , its good to keep up with current standards

  • @romv5510
    @romv5510 3 роки тому

    The last example with short flues is in Hammersmith&Fulham. I'm working on this contract for the last 12 years (as a plumber though). They extended the flues now. Great video Derek please do some more all of my family watch it including kids.

  • @CommercialGasEngineerVideos
    @CommercialGasEngineerVideos 2 роки тому

    Good video

  • @chrisjones4500
    @chrisjones4500 2 роки тому

    Thanks Derek..

  • @gasmark340
    @gasmark340 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you Derek very helpful video. Always coming across similar issues trying to think what is best classification.

  • @dentann1686
    @dentann1686 6 місяців тому

    Thanks,mate. Very informative

  • @thomasblades4059
    @thomasblades4059 3 роки тому

    Top video 😄😄

  • @willlomas2725
    @willlomas2725 3 роки тому

    There's some dodgy stuff out there Derek LOL ......ace video cheers pal.

  • @ridew3072
    @ridew3072 Рік тому +1

    I have a question about the condensate termination. If it’s ID to terminate into a sink for the reasons you listed, why is it acceptable to terminate into a condense pump in a similar manner? Just popped in the top.

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  Рік тому +1

      It’s only ID if poc are entertaining the property over 10ppm co like it would be if you have a condensate pump or air break letting 10 ppm of co into the property

  • @mcginn002
    @mcginn002 3 роки тому

    Very good Derek keep them coming

  • @evgenigenchev2430
    @evgenigenchev2430 3 роки тому

    Great examples.Thank you and add some more please if you can Derek.

  • @kevj1964
    @kevj1964 3 роки тому

    Excellent video, well explained . more like this please .

  • @salcarlito5319
    @salcarlito5319 2 роки тому

    You’re the man, subscribed long time ago and of course thumbs up mate. My only advice to make your channel boom is make your videos shorter. That’s not a criticism, if you, it’s the attention span of the people of today. I watch your videos in full cos I have a keen interest and I like your information v much.

  • @julienlefevre1812
    @julienlefevre1812 Рік тому

    Please do more . I love it !!

  • @ant-04
    @ant-04 Рік тому

    I like the conservatory example in your video. What about if a builder during works damaged an appliance which made it unsafe? I am thinking ID section 1.5 of unsafe situations and possibly RIDDOR the builder?

  • @JeffB1010
    @JeffB1010 Рік тому

    Brilliant video thank you

  • @jamescooney1569
    @jamescooney1569 2 роки тому

    Great video. What about the vented sofit on the one with the Worcester flue??

  • @azimkhan9862
    @azimkhan9862 3 роки тому

    Derek you are a legend in the Gas industry 😎

    • @azimkhan9862
      @azimkhan9862 3 роки тому

      Part 2 part 2 part 2 part 2 part 2.... 😄

  • @andrewmoore8432
    @andrewmoore8432 Рік тому

    When you mention testing if CO products is no more then 10ppm what device do you use? Analyser or CO detector?

  • @michaelrose7258
    @michaelrose7258 3 роки тому

    Great video Derek, as always

  • @leeedwards3783
    @leeedwards3783 3 роки тому

    Top man. Another great video

  • @robertyoung3140
    @robertyoung3140 2 роки тому

    Your videos have helped me get through my Gas safe course bud. Thank you

    • @GR1M3L1F3
      @GR1M3L1F3 2 роки тому

      Did you do your CCN1?

  • @abchannel3737
    @abchannel3737 3 роки тому

    Excellent 👍👍

  • @lmcm7311
    @lmcm7311 2 роки тому

    Great training video Derek 👍🏻

  • @rivkiroyde4362
    @rivkiroyde4362 3 роки тому

    Thanks Derek great video👍 I would love some more 🙏

  • @faridratni5665
    @faridratni5665 Рік тому

    What excellent video. you are master teacher. I really love your video, either. My son, who is 10 years old, enjoys😂 watching it

  • @rayc1503
    @rayc1503 3 роки тому +1

    With RIDDOR reportable cases it's difficult to prove who's installed the pipework/fittings . I don't think HSE would investigate much into the inappropriate fittings used on pipework. No gas safe registered person in their right mind would use push fit fittings, would they 😯. A builder, handyman or kitchen fitter maybe.
    Either way it's hard to prove who carried out the work as HSE rarely prosecute the culprits.
    If it were a G.S.R person, they'd most probably loose their licence. Or if people die as a consequence of negligence then it's a jail term.
    Excellent work Derek, really enjoyed this 😊

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  3 роки тому +2

      I completely agree with you but riddor is also used to see if our industry is in a bad place but because most engineers don’t riddor the HSE thinks our industry is safe but as we all know we cover up for non registered by just fixing the problem. Thanks for watching and your great comment cheers 👍🏻

    • @rayc1503
      @rayc1503 3 роки тому

      @@tomkatgastraining HSE are the Governing bodies of Gas Safe, aren't they? They own Gas Safe and all it's rights. This is what I previously read anyway. Is this correct?

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  3 роки тому

      @@rayc1503 as far as I am aware the HSE is a safety Body for the government and gas safe is like the police force for gas but gas safe don’t have the powers to prosecute it’s the HSE that takes you to court not gas safe. The HSE is for all safety issues not just gas so not to sure if they would have anything to do with gas safe

  • @monikanader9454
    @monikanader9454 3 роки тому

    Great revision, thank you 👍👍👍

  • @tonyphillips4468
    @tonyphillips4468 7 місяців тому

    Great vids mate thanks

  • @SuperWayneyb
    @SuperWayneyb 3 роки тому

    🤘🤓🤘enjoyed this

  • @colinhatch6693
    @colinhatch6693 2 роки тому

    Great videos and quiz to get the brain working.
    Toilet pipework flue definitely be I.D as would fall under serious flueing deficiency as described in 6.1 the table of examples is a non exhaustive list and are examples. I find it best to use 6.1 and 6.2 descriptions of I.D or A.R.
    Also condensate pipework into sink surely would be dependent on trap depth installed at boiler and if the manufacturer allows an air gap internally etc.

    • @JayGasEssex
      @JayGasEssex 2 роки тому

      I.D all day long, imagine the FGA readings let alone the flue....

  • @mohammednadeem7274
    @mohammednadeem7274 3 роки тому

    Excellent video Derek, the toilet pipe flue definitely looks bangers & I would definitely ID it, how the hell would someone fit something like that, it looks to ridiculous. Great video and yes definitely would love to see more videos like this. Thanks.. 😀😀👍👍

  • @thomasblades4059
    @thomasblades4059 3 роки тому

    Top man😀😀

  • @louisdisbury9759
    @louisdisbury9759 Місяць тому

    Hi Derek most of the faults here are easily rectified and if explained to the customer/landlord and permission is obtained to repair and recommission I would never waste time on either Riddor or paperwork just get on and make the appliance safe as far as the flue in the kitchen goes with the extended flue the boiler is not installed to manufacturers instructions and the flue pipe extensions are not approved by the Manufacturer so after a talk with the customer ID and immediate shutdown and if they disagree I would notify the gas supplier and obtain an incident number. Boiler terminating in ne Extension immediately shut down call builder and educate him on flues and the dangers of then terminating in confined spaces, paper work is one thing but educating people of dangers and the risk they pose to others is far better.

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  Місяць тому

      @@louisdisbury9759 if you find a fault under riddor you are required still to report it even if you fix it.

  • @alan_edwards_404
    @alan_edwards_404 3 роки тому

    Ha love these, if only to contradict lol, yes gsuip state inappropriate fitting ie push fit is I.d. and riddor but if you think about it and about 4:47 in you say "could" as opposed to "is" so really it's just 'ar', - that said lol never use plastic fittings on gas, I think its more to do withstanding heat in fire conditions or blowing off due to low gas pressure compared to water pressure

  • @mouradchallal6256
    @mouradchallal6256 Рік тому

    Thanks Tom

  • @muppit666
    @muppit666 2 роки тому

    On the one with all the drainage fittings on the flue, surely the combustion would read crap as it’s pulling products of combustion back into the burner.

  • @arcturus475
    @arcturus475 3 роки тому

    Quality content 👊🏽

  • @Kingkongkirk1234
    @Kingkongkirk1234 Рік тому

    the one where they have bodged the flue out the window, AR means it could potentially become unsafe, but I would say it is immediately unsafe as the boiler would not combust or function correct so would have to be ID

  • @RM-ds4ik
    @RM-ds4ik 3 роки тому +1

    Good video!I disagree with condensate terminating into the sink though. What difference is this to having a tundish and air gap under the boiler to stop the back flow from the drains? Evan if it was into the sink trap it would sit above the water trap?

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  3 роки тому

      Have you ever seen in the building regs or manufacturers instructions that a condensate termination above a kitchen sink or over a shower tray is acceptable. Also if the trap is less than 75mm in the boiler then you can’t have an air gap. The key to this was it’s just been installed and no boiler manufacturers would accept this an acceptable termination point. At the end of the day if you came across this would you just leave it,

    • @RM-ds4ik
      @RM-ds4ik 3 роки тому

      ​@@tomkatgastraining Its certainly not ideal and I see your point. NCS for me personally though if it was an eco tec for example

    • @tomkatgastraining
      @tomkatgastraining  3 роки тому

      @@RM-ds4ik at the end of the day it’s a very open to debate situation and that’s why I put theses things into my video. The biggest problems I see in reassessment is the unsafe situations where engineers don’t even bother in their first attempt to check their answers it’s always a big shock when they get their paperwork back and they have failed to correctly answer it.
      Also remember you can’t install a boiler to ncs and that’s why I said newly installed.

    • @benjaminortega6149
      @benjaminortega6149 2 роки тому

      ​@@tomkatgastraining Thank you a lot Derek for your good work, I enjoyed this video and the other video reviewing the current version of the GIUSP, thumb up !. About the condensate pipe... It is very ugly, and when I see something as ugly as this I pay from that time much more attention to all details of the installation, because I am aware that I am checking an installation that have been made to very poor workmanship. However, to say that it is running on a continuous fall, correct materials, clipped, interior run of 21.5mm diameter pipe, and next I would do would be to read the manufacturer instructions to see if it is acceptable an air break for them (adequate internal trap as you said). In most of the modern boilers it is acceptable, or even required in order to create a break and in that way to stop the pull of the water that could lead in emptying the Condensate trap. In that case this installation of the condensate pipe would not cause any harm to people or building, therefore not AR for me.

  • @aliebrahimi974
    @aliebrahimi974 2 роки тому

    👍👍👌👌

  • @billcannie
    @billcannie 3 роки тому

    👍 full marks

  • @lukehodges4511
    @lukehodges4511 Рік тому

    thank you tom

  • @williamhoughton1484
    @williamhoughton1484 3 роки тому

    I totally agree Derek

  • @hazelbulgin638
    @hazelbulgin638 3 роки тому

    Brilliant video. Can you do more of these

  • @kevinschoales844
    @kevinschoales844 8 місяців тому

    The balcony example i have seen, a classic client answer is " it has been like that for years, never a problem" OR "It was installed before those regulations" !!!!

  • @markgreenwood4642
    @markgreenwood4642 3 роки тому

    Love your channel. Quite helpfull

  • @martynlewis5901
    @martynlewis5901 3 роки тому

    Regarding the flue in the loft, yes builders band incorrectly used to support flue, it should be manufacturers purpose made supports. However with the joints on the flue, if they are only designed to push together (the way Baxi flues used to) then adding closure plate tape is an added precaution? If though the flue is designed to be screwed together but tape only is used then that would not comply to regulations. And if I’d made this video I would definitely of used the Countdown clock in between scenarios 😁

  • @stevenyates6732
    @stevenyates6732 2 роки тому

    What about modifications to gas fitting?

  • @AnEyeScream
    @AnEyeScream 2 роки тому

    Thank you, Nikola Ditsov

  • @hamaadrana6191
    @hamaadrana6191 Рік тому

    I’ve seen alot of condenses dropped into a larger 40mm pipe while using a washing machine hose from the boiler into the larger waste pipe. So is this id also? Thanks in advance

  • @danielobrien307
    @danielobrien307 3 роки тому

    Brill video yet again could you do some more on these situations and the procedure you would take once you have catorgarised them. Ie would you Isolate appliance disconnect appliance form gas supply ect
    Thank you

  • @marjusfieral
    @marjusfieral 3 роки тому +1

    Great video as usual sir, I can't wait watching the rest of them. Just a quick question: where it will be possible to get a copy of that book which you been using, please let me know. Thanks again

  • @carteblanche5741
    @carteblanche5741 2 роки тому

    What would your procedure be if something is ID OR AR, IMO it should be replaced and made safe immediately or condemned untill able to do so?

  • @mj0n4id36
    @mj0n4id36 3 роки тому

    Top video. Straight to the point. Very informative. I found this really engaging as it got me thinking quiet a bit. It got me thinking that much that I was pausing it so I had more than two seconds 🤣. The document you were referring to is that available for us to download etc? Thanks Derek. Much appreciated. 👍🏻
    Asian Jon. Training.

  • @tonim8835
    @tonim8835 Рік тому

    Thanks

  • @JohnSmith-qc1gq
    @JohnSmith-qc1gq 2 роки тому

    My trainer said if its going to do you in today its id and if its tomorrow its ar. Seems to me there are grey areas now!

  • @1981millar
    @1981millar 2 роки тому

    Terminating the condensate waste like that is not at risk unless the appliance does not incorporate a trap. There is no fumes so not ID and there is a trap so no potential risk. Is it correct no but as long as the room incorporates a co alarm and it’s a temporary solution ie pipes frozen and your going back to resolve

  • @fzalos2327
    @fzalos2327 9 місяців тому

    Can you please do more like this video

  • @williamhoughton1484
    @williamhoughton1484 3 роки тому

    No doubt about it ID

  • @gf5328
    @gf5328 2 роки тому

    You’re the best 😆