I did an interview with Saachi Khoul of Buzzfeed News yesterday. I talked about boys falling behind in education from the primary school level onward, including: * teacher bias against boys exists (female elementary school teachers grade boys down compared to gender-blinded evaluators) * boys are aware of this bias (when third grade boys were asked to wager money on how good a grade they expected to get on a project, they wagered less when they were told the teacher was female and would know they're a boy than when they were told the teacher was male or that the teacher wouldn't know they're a boy) * both boys and girls agree that boys receive the bulk of negative attention from teachers in classrooms * because school at the primary level is dominated by women, and because of the above issues, and because boys might not have their first male teacher until grade 8 math, they are likely to internalize the message that school is not for boys Her response to that was to first ask if the boys were white. I was like, "Uh... this affects all boys, including minority boys." She then said, "But CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are overwhelmingly male." I was like... WTF? So I say, "what does what's going on among 50 to 70 year olds in the top 1 tenth of 1% of the population have to do with how boys are doing in elementary school?" She says, "well, men are still dominant." I said, "those male CEOs were boys in elementary school 40 to 60 years ago. What does that have to do with what's happening now in elementary schools? You have to realize there's a bit of a lag at work here, and if you look at age cohorts from oldest to youngest, you find women and girls catching up and then surpassing men and boys as you track backwards from older to younger cohorts. Single women in their 20s in cities now earn 8% more than their male counterparts. Your entire argument here seems vindictive--like you're happy to see boys punished because men are still dominant in the top 1% at age 50." "So MRAs are complaining about women catching up, is what you're saying." I said, "women had parity in post secondary enrolment in the 1980s." She comes back with me not being intersectional enough. "Yes, but women of color earn much less compared to white men." I said, "Not to get all intersectional on you, but the gender gap favoring women in post-secondary attainment in the US is largest in the black community." The producer interrupts and tries to get us back on the topic of bias against primary school boys and asks her to clarify her counterargument. She replies that she thinks her point about the dominance of men at the top of Fortune 500 companies is an adequate rebuttal. (WTF!!!????) Honestly, it was like talking to a brick wall.
Karen, in 2018 the idea we are all supposed to support society's constant drumbeat of Women's oppression in all its various flavors. Now feels more like a society-wide mental illness then even a cult. These people are not actually thinking, for them logic/reality do not exist. To get them back to even a neutral/thinking state would require no doubt some significant degree of de-programming. Sometimes I think to myself that if these people were "de-programmed" they would wake up and say "did I really say that...that is crazy.." But just the same Karen, keep up the good work you do for the many Men who have no voice.
Karen do you get a copy of all the interviews you do? I highly doubt it because then you can put the unedited version up and they may start saying no if you include it as a condition
MrTom1379 that was exactly what was going through my head as she went through how unwelcoming and offensive it was to have a group about men's issues, with men gathering to talk about mens issues. Not to mention they actually put out flyers to inform and invite others, and they actually want a mens center, while we only have one center each for women, LGBTQ, and "P.O.C's"!
+MrTom1379 -- Yass, exactly. Because when you're raised by your Marxist professors to see intellectualism as toxic and only loosely connect thoughts with emotional association to reach your conclusions then your sexual instincts will make "male" and "victim" a contradiction. Marvelous. _Oh, but Feminism is inclusive, you guys!_ My ass.
-> There weren't very many women there. -> None of their issues were remotely valid. -> It felt hostile, and like they thought women didn't care about them. You could put this girl in a house of mirrors and there still wouldn't be any self-reflection going on. I think my blood pressure might actually be up a bit from that.
Why do people think talks that center on men's issues should include women? It's not men's and women's issues, it's men's issues. Issues my husband, my brother, my cousin or my guy friends have are far different from mine. For instance a friend had a girlfriend who abused him on a regular basis. One night he managed to pin her to the ground and hold her there until the police showed up. It didn't matter that he was bruised and bleeding while she only had mild rug burn on one cheek, or that neighbors told the police they had seen her hit him on previous occasions. Nope, he was arrested and convicted of domestic abuse. Women are believed when it comes to domestic abuse and have over 600 shelters designed strictly for battered women in the US. Men are rarely believed, and if they defend themselves can be charged with domestic abuse. They also have 1 shelter designed for battered men. The rabid feminists out for male blood just don't care. My last example needs a smidge of backstory: I have two kids still home with me, my daughter is 18 and my son 9. When my son was 6 I had several of those rabid feminists tell me that I shouldn't put much effort into raising or educating my son, and instead should channel that energy into my then 15 almost 16 year old daughter, because my son was just a future rapist. A young, moderately autistic boy being labeled a future rapist and a lost cause... people wonder why I don't support modern feminism. I support the movements that worked for real change: the right to vote in the early 20th century, the right to serve in the military during WWII and the right to be seen as a person with ideas and value outside of the wife and mother roles. My grandmother, rest her soul, was in the Women's Marine Corp during WWII, she was a true feminist. She didn't cry and scream about first world problems. Modern feminists are an insult to her memory as well as the others who fought in the other waves.
You, i like you. Not in a metoo kind of way, but in a I think I could have a civil conversation with this person kind of way. Which is rare on the interwebs. Women like this are why mens issues are ignored. You can watch her filter her words soooo carefully. Mens issues not being taken serious is a 2 part problem IMO. 1st part is the women who think men dont have issues. How could we? We are part of the patriarchy, every where is our safe space! 2nd is the men who dont have issues and call other men weak or whiny for expressing their issues. Most men stick with this mentality until finally something goes wrong and BAM the glass of their reality shatters. So you have to some how convince both groups which is insanely difficult because these women think that issues are their thing and refuse to let it go, and the men think they have no issues and refuse to let it go. The legal system is clearly bias because it shares both my aforementioned mentalities. So how do we fix this? This is creating a toxic environment for our children to be coming into. Imagine being a boy in school today. You are told you are a toxic man for showing any masculinity and if you talk to any girl who doesn't clearly make it known that shes into you will be labeled a sexual harasser. Kind of put in a box. If you do talk to girl you're a perv, don't and you're a sexist. Oh and if you think any differently than what social media tells you you are a bigot sexist racist etc etc. Morale of my rant; men are screwed.
I’m so thankful I was at college during a time we had a student center , and a student health center. It makes me so disgusted that not only do they discriminate based on gender by having a “Women’s Health Center”. But they are actually against a men’s health center, and did she just say that talking about “men’s rights” is a problem? Of course men have rights, everyone has rights. But then, since they have “women’s studies “ that says it all. They discount 50% of human beings, and have an echo chamber to practice their ignorance and hate in.
Hi Carrie. I thought you should know that women like men. So maybe that's why they show up? 30 years ago in College I took an elective course called "Men's Lives". It was sort of a precursor of MRA in a vague way. It was an elective course. So only people who were interested took it. Half the class was made up of girls. And I think that's cool. Don't you? I don't really want to live in a world where women don't like men. Cuz I like women.
@@pepelapiu2004 She wasn't asking why women would show up, she was asking why the interviewee found it problematic that there were too few women there for her tastes.
i have to agree with her though... not for her reasoning but rather that men with issues don't need a bunch of rabid haters gathered around them telling them they're insignificant and draining educational funds away from other more deserving groups. Rather they relabel themselves and go on with getting some healing that might be muchly needed.
My one and only question to your statement is why shouldn't they? When in today's society the only "legitimate" group for the world to hate now a days is white males. How can you say they don't need a space. That's hypocrisy. Saying your group deserves a space, but they don't is exactly hypocrisy. Hypocrit.
I think she was just saying it is politically and strategically unwise to call yourself a men's rights group, probably because people won't listen to you
Philipa Blythe That she basically blew off the suicide rate increase and divorce issues tells you the lens she filtered this event. So her argument is that smart university men who are privileged in her mind don't need a space, but the unprivileged men might need one? She sees that men talking about men's issues as antagonistic because she doesn't feel the target audience of the discussion? Ugh.
College enrollment is not a gender issue unless women are under-enrolled. When men are under-enrolled, it must be for other reasons. It couldn't possibly be that there are over 800 gender-specific scholarships for women and none for men.
She doesn't sound like she understands what she is saying. But it is interesting that she thinks that the men's groups should splinter along ethnic lines the way feminist groups do. i think that her point is that we should approach this from a victim mentality, and then have competitions over who the biggest victim is, as women do for feminist intersectionality.
No doubt prschuster. I think what confuses her is that the men's movements are not based on feelings. They are instead based on factual verifiable issues. For her, feelings are issues. So since we're not expressing feelings, and having our feelings redressed, we have no identifiable issues. intersectional identity politics is entirely based on exploring feelings.
Jack Dingler, yes she wants to reduce the men's movement to another oppression hierarchy before it will be recognizable to her. That's probably all she is capable of understanding.
I wouldn't say she doesn;t understand what she is saying. At first I thought she was pausing and stuttering because she was trying to explain her views in ways that wouldn't make her a hypocrite... Then I realized that she was not worried about that at all, and she was instead struggling to keep her words from making her look like a 100% man-hating hag. (Which she probably thinks she succeeded in, but didn't.)
Well she meant in terms of things like race and class which is fair enough, I suppose it would how enrolments rates are for minority men and working-class men
lmao her argument of given the enrollment of more girls than guys there should be more girls turning up for a talk on men's issues. Has she ever considered that's because the girls don't give a shit about men issues that's why. Next thing u know she's gonna say "look at our lectures more boys are turning up for class than girls, this is a gender issue, girls are being oppressed to not attend classes"
@@zachariahlloyd6043 there is a wage gap which directly correlates to the life gap. Men work more to the point that time is literally deducted from their lives in exchange for a few more dollars to pay for child support and support people who live on social subsidies including studrnt loan debt
I can see her expression change, her face goes a tad blank as she hears her own hypocrisy and obvious projection, then she plows forward with her mindless narrative, blinders firmly in place.
“It appeared that all women were anti-man, which is very unfair. So, when I counted how many people were in attendance, it seemed that only 18-20 of the 100 were women, where enrollment of women is higher, so there should have been more women.” My response, there weren’t a lot, because women don’t care or want to believe it’s an issue. That was an issue that was discussed. The point was just confirmed from her.
+Mogwai Man -- That was great. I wonder what men'd have to fear? _'Cuz like, it's umm the equaliteh of all genders such as fimmaile emprowerment and such as..._ Throughout the whole interview she was trying to be sooo tactical but she just couldn't even because she's an indoctrinated airhead with the thousand-mile stare of a dull mannequin and the compassion of a minefield.
Mogwai Man This is a big signal that I don't think she necessarily drinks the feminist koolaid either. Everyone is giving her shit for talking about the context of statistics and the unnecessary gendering of issues, which is EXACTLY what everyone points out when feminists give seminars about women's issues. The mens rights movement needs to be careful about this. If they're willing to believe their problems are gendered by default (just like the feminists are) they're bound to run into the same issues as the "screeching feminist" types. She's got some valid points but the responses by many here are very feminist in nature. I'd say there are an awful lot of hypocrites in this comment section.
SilentMott The thing with men's issues is that men can back up the issues with facts. Fact is that commercials on tv to empower women are there but there are zero for men and boys. Social programs for University attendance is specifically excludes white males but do enclude everyone else. Promoting STEM fields for women is ongoing but there is no promotion for men to get into predominantly female fields. Men and women can commit the same crime and statistically the man gets more time in prison. So facts back up the claim. Women cry about a wage gap that only exist because men tend to work longer hours than women so they get paid for the overtime. Women generally take more time off work. So feminist complain alot but there is nothing to backup the claims.
@@LieutenantSilver Cassie was a lot more balanced than most feminists, even early on before she had time to process most of the information she took in during the production of her documentary.
You heard it form the horses mouth. Men bringing up their problems is inherently "antagonistic". This is how male disposability plays out in real life, in real time. Just simply pointing out men have these problems is unacceptable to 99% of women. Cause men were always expected to just do it and shut up about it.
You're correct, Men are expected to do what's expected (by women) of them, *in silence* .. Or they are Man shammed, insulted and told to "Man Up", Shut up and Pay up, and then kicked to the curb.. This is the Classic inherent nature of Females, = Abusive ! Can ya see why women were kept in the Kitchen for thousands of years ?
I agree 100%. Told to man up, I highly recommend watching a western called THE BIG COUNTRY with Gegory Peck, a perfect example of what is expected of men in this world. Gregory Peck sets everyone straight as to what a man is. His fiance and the whole town finds out the hard way. Haha. Most men are Honerable. When men are fighting over wealth, theyre really fighting over women, because wealth brings women. In the movie Gregory peck is shit testing his fiance, something men in our time have stopped doing. The juice aint worth the squeeze nowdays, so start shit testing them you guys, like Gregory peck did. It shows his intelligence. Stop thinking with your little head.
_8 every 10 suicides are male_ Sarah's mind: "No, not a gender issue." _women shaving their armpits_ Sarah: "Jeez, total evil patriarchal gender issue right there!"
The fact that there are women weak and pathetic enough to complain about shaving just astounds me. I've felt too lazy to shower. I've felt too lazy to brush my teeth. I have NEVER felt too lazy to shave my body.
She made a head count of all females participating and was critical of how few there were. She could go to a female issues conference where males were explicitly excluded and she probably wouldn't think a negative thought of it.
In fact she actually said that males attending female events would feel unwelcome. That hinted at the feminist agenda against men and she didn't even realize that she admitted it.
Well of course. Female entitlement, How dare ANYONE suuggest that men outnumber women on issues impacting on,... MEN ? Could you imagine the outrage if MEN outnumbered a womens issues meeting, ?
To be fair if women can't come and sit down and just take it all in they will never even come close to understanding these problems and the depths to which they go. Feminism has no shortage of champions or funding from both private and public (govmt) sources. MRA groups and aims are the exact reverse of this - and they have far more working against them than feminists or suffragettes ever did in their early days, while doing far less to warrant such negative attention from the other side.
@@lochinvar00465 What it hints at is a complete lack of basic self awareness. This is extremely similar to people rigidly following religious dogma. In that observation Karen Straughan is very correct. This is what MRA's have to work against, what basically amounts to religious fanaticism.
Rendishen but she did contradict herself. She said she was not a feminist but spouts out feminist doctrine and about the lack of compliance of the men meeting there at that day.
you can see that in her face when she says some things, it is so obvious, It almost made me smile, but then I remembered she doesn´t have an inch of empathy for men
Agreed. 0 empathy. I think this is the common female. Even more sly to state aspects of the feminist agenda but shy away from being called a feminist. This is something men should be afraid of moving forward. Women who are feminists but skate around the edges of being called one. A small caveat: Cassie Jay is the uncommon female.
Hypocrisy and projection at its finest. I really wish Cassie asked her what her view on women in STEM so that we could see her personality fracture under the pressure of the cognitive dissonance.
I have a bit of a question for you. How is she a hypocrite when you don't really know her views on feminism? All you heard was her discuss a very specific event, which for all you know, maybe it was that bad.
Agreed Russell that is pretty much how I viewed it as well. I feel like a lot of people in this comment section is just automatically coming to the assumption she is some sort of staunch feminist. Some even going as far as to claim she is one and just doesn't want to admit it or is a man hater. I feel like some of these people don't realize, they are acting like feminists themselves.
ThatMarchingBunny it was less what she said, and more what she didn't say. She criticizes identity politics when it comes to mend rights, but when the topic of feminism is brought up, she does not mention how they can be guilty of the same things. If she didn't agree with radical feminists making everything a gender issues when there it's not necessarily so, she had a prime opportunity to say so, but her only issue with the feminist able is some feminists telling phat feminists that they're not feminist enough. she then says that she is for female empowerment. not equality, female empowerment. you can make pretty good guess's about people's views based on what they do and don't choose to talk about.
thatmarchingbunny, she defined feminism as "female empowerment" then goes onto cricise the need for gendered assistance at universities (for men). she points out any student in a university is "privileged", i agree... if she applied that consistently, however, feminists would cease to exist on campus, as would the diversity officer, female health specialist, female only legal assistance, female only study areas, female only safe spaces, female only sex health officers, female only counselors, female accommodation officers etc etc etc. she is a hypocrite and it became evident the longer she talked as you can see her do several double-takes to avoid contradicting herself. i'd also include in that list the "women's studies" actual courses as they have been demonstrated not to be academic enterprises but activist indoctrination courses which produce individuals with no central core standards or ideals or relevant idea of basic history, but a jumble of contradictory, divisive and innacurate ways of looking at their pampered, privilaged lives... then they're released into the world and we have to deal with them. if her recommendation (for men) were followed through in a non sexist fashion her whole ideology would be reliant on private citizens and not the tax-funded billions it receives today. i found it especially cute when she thought it a good idea to introduce "intersectional" lense to the mens rights discussion, you could see her think... "shit my feminists are mostly white privileged women".
ThatMarchingBunny, her hypocrisy is based on being misinformed and historically ignorant. Accusing them of using gender divisively is an example since that is a cornerstone of feminism.
What's more is women, especially feminists often have the colossal prickery to complain about having to smile and whatnot to get those tips that are so much easier for a woman to get than a man. It's not as if tips are meaningless as cash tips are uncounted and can be excluded from taxes unless you pay them into your bank account regularly enough for them to look like a second cash paid job on the side (which is stupid if you are doing this I might add).
@ChattyPablo Not particularly no, but women can smooth out their rough edges significantly with some cosmetics. Feminists tend to be rather touchy about cosmetics, so it would not surprise me if she did not use them a lot of the time, especially coming to an event like this.
-> There weren't very many women there. -> None of their issues were remotely valid. -> It felt hostile, and like they thought women didn't care about them. You could put this girl in a house of mirrors and there wouldn't be any self-reflection. I think my blood pressure might actually be up a bit.
its kind of incredible. she lists suicide and enrollment as men issues, which they very much are, and then lacks the sympathy she would have for nearly any other "group" for men because she views them through a feminist lense. Men are privileged, so they don't need any help. Did she listen to the facts at all? 80:20 male to female suicide. 60:40 male to female enrollment. its pretty CLEAR who the "privileged" group is you dumb grad student!
Pale Emperor. Well it's I find it frightening that people can be so easily indocrinated. The ratio of free thinkers to programmed zombies in humanity is alarmingly low.
This is kinda part of the problem though. Their propaganda/PR tells them that feminism is not anti men - but the actual doctrine/dogma of feminism itself is fundamentally anti men, so it creates a mismatch in their ability to process it in their heads intellectually. Like HAL9000 being told to lie to the crew of the Discovery about the mission to the Jovian monolith - this goes against his programming not to lie, so as a thinking/AI computer he basically has a psychotic break where his only resolution to the command not to lie is to kill the people he has to lie to so that he does not have to lie anymore. I've probably made feminists sound more complex than they are by bringing in HAL, but their psychotic behavior does seem on point from some instances I've witnessed.
You have that wrong. Feminists will actively ignore statistics on women in labor fields because it isn't about getting themselves into sweaty, physically dangerous, low paid jobs. It's about getting a free/much easier ride into much better paying jobs in offices and any sort of job which requires minimal physical effort to maintain a high wage which gives them independence with the least amount of responsibility to go with it.
no women does. by nature, women only care about themselves. feminism is not some evil political movement created by evil marxists. It's what happens when you give women a megaphone.
+Puglous *This documentary is full of women who care about men.* There are exceptions to almost every rule. I was speaking in general terms. Women have not evolved to care about men, they have evolved to manipulate men (women had to master their environments to survive, women had to master their men). And when you look at greater society this is exactly what we see: women taking every opportunity given to them to take advantage of men. Also, women do not typically care about men as a group, but care about the individual men in their lives. For example, women do not care about men's rights but do want their sons to have rights to their children, because they as grand mothers want access to their grand children. Mothers will also not want their sons to be railroaded in divorce court because they can not be supported by their sons into old age if some other woman has taken all of his money. On this basis, it could be argued that even a mother's "selfless" love for her son is simply her acting in her own best interests.
+e val79 the reason these men are asking for permission is because they are not using their own money to create it. They want money from someone else. The men who do what they want and take back control over their own lives are called MGTOWs.
She went to a "Mens Issues" event and was shocked to realize that they were only talking about men and their issues. Cassie has said that she use to think the same way but the sense entitlement of the average Feminist is really galling.
They basically project on men what they feel themselves, and then piss on men for wanting basic things, like default parity in child custody considerations.
I really doubt nothing was said on this as MRA can talk for days and months about all the shit hurting men. I think what actually happened was this little privilege princess feminist heard it then directly filtered it out because of cognitive dissonance and always hearing about how men are the oppressors everywhere. It is scary how peoples minds can have their empathy turned off like that for a certain group of people and not listen to a word they say. So much violence can be directed at them and no one would blink.
Michael Vincent that’s exactly what she did. She even brought up several male issues, but she didn’t think they were valid so she ignored them. She said they talked about suicides, divorce settlements, and enrollment rates (all men’s issues) and said they weren’t valid because they aren’t gendered issues (they are) you might as well talk to brick wall instead of someone like this
Yeah but what do they mean about when they say men's issues? I haven't yet delved into that deep in MRA etc, so I have lots of pretty basic questions about them. This chick was some normie who went into this event and probably never had heard of them before. I think she's pretty open minded compared to your basic feminazi bitches. Yes she's sjw to a decree, but at least she tried to be rational and open minded.
If speciffic issues are listed it becomes easier to jump to the heuristic shut-downs. Saying "There are issues that effect men as a concept," forces some to think rather than shut down. She just wants the ingrained "No, you'rr wrong because..." out over thinking that maybe men are people too.
Reverse the roles here. If they were talking about opening a women's center and some guy went on camera and tried to downplay the importance of the idea because they didn't clearly define what women's issues were, the shitstorm that would follow would be unbelievable. I don't get this my-victimization-is-worse-than-yours mentality. They act like compassion and empathy is a finite resource and if men ask for some with their issues, then they will get less. It's not a contest. Believe me, I think men can spot a pecker contest when the see one...
What a liar. I've worked in a hospital for 12 years and never seen a female porter, janitor or maintenance worker. Yea there are housekeepers and they are women, but it's the porter/janitor that does all the heavy work(using the buffing machines, waxing the floors, taking the garbage out...etc.), that's the whole point.
@@philipperejean9709 depends where you work...most housekeepers make jack shit in pay unless they land a steady job for wealthy families. Most janitors work for multi-million dollar businesses: hospitals and government buildings, etc.
I worked in a hispital where the enviro techs are mostly female. The individual that runs all the floor maintaining machines is an old Vietnamese lady.
@@daffydlandegge3843 I doubt that housekeepers in hospitals are the same thing as what you are thinking about. I hadn't even heard of the job in hospitals until the OP mentioned it here.
To be fair everyone above a certain IQ is kinda pseudo intellectual about issues they do not specialise in. My dad is terrible for telling me x is good for my diet, or y is - despite the fact that his knowledge of biology and chemistry doesn't even match my secondary/high school education from 20 years ago. Many people above a certain IQ become convinced that because they are slightly intelligent and are enthusiastic about a subject that they must be an expert on it. Myself I know I'm just about intelligent enough to know that I know a little bit about a lot of things, and not nearly enough about everything. I reckon that's about the best we can hope for really. As I said, many people simply lack that basic self awareness.
You are just blind and selfish as this girl is . Men are abused and when you are so narcisstic you can't even see when others are hurting, and ignore the pain of others just because it does not directly affect you.
@@@frank2bad You must feel so proud to be in such highly esteemed service to your Fem masters. Just keep turning a blind eye until they turn on you my friend. We who have suffered the hammers wielded by those high & mighty & supremely superior souls of women will welcome you warmly into our ranks of useless, disposable, and dumb lonely hearts club. We will laugh, we will cry, we will kiss our terrors goodbye, before we fade into the nothingness beyond this life. But at least we wont go totally alone my friend. On a brighter note, our victimized masters are working harder than ever (unbeknownst to themselves) to raise male suicide from 84% to as close to 100% as they can get. Just imagine, we can sing and dance like the people of France, when they realized they could eat cake, then we can begin anew in the after-world lightheartedly joking about who among us had the most ridiculous life, and who's heal was heaviest upon our necks & balls. It'll be a roast! So many jokes from every corner of the western world told by those who fell from mercy's grip. It'll be the funniest cacophony of laughter you'll ever be blessed to be a part of, and every soul gets a turn to tell his story to be ranked in the halls of Shambala. We will enjoy the company of our brothers even as we watch the shiny perfect souls of women fly far above us with their pearly wings and satisfied smiles as they soar up into the holiest of hollies, after finally & nobly setting the world straight into a utopia, free from the burdens of us fools. Cheers my friend, for our earthly hell can't last forever!
Cognitive dissonance hit her hard. Why should we mindlessly nod our heads over women's issues, but resist men's issues so hard? I hope she's had time to consider her reactions.
She seems to take a great offense that the reunion wasn't ethnic representative, like if we care about the race of men who's there! A man is a man, whatever is race!
At least I can give this young lady props for coming to a talk and not pulling a fire alarm, although she clearly didn't get the message and she was still oblivious to her female privilege.
Chilapa of the Amazons .. do you realize how far we've Fallen when were praising normalcy and standard social etiquette that used to be expected from EVERY PERSON who was not a child ..
You're right, she obviously came in with an agenda to prove her already made up conclusions, but I think a lot of people would be surprised if they were scrutinized on their own behavior with regards to bias prone subjects that they'd do worse or even much worse than than her. First off, most people don't even bother to properly listen to the arguments of the other side like she did. And when they do, they often very quickly resort to fallacious rebuttals like typically misrepresenting the other people's points, a strawman basically. But she doesn't do that either. Not saying she's an example of the best way to do it, she obviously came in with a made up and closed mindset, but it *is* better than most people, it's easy to watch a youtube video and criticize someone.
She is all about female empowerment but doesn’t want the label of a feminist. Why? Could it be that she doesn’t want to be called a feminist because feminism now has a negative connotation? Like virtually all women she wants to avoid responsibility but reap the benefits.
Yep. women do not see words as tools to arrive at the truth. They see words as a means of getting what they want, and will say the most retarded crap if it gets them the right results. case and point: feminism.
She actually made it clear that she was scared of other feminists by not being sure that she can live up to other women's definition of it, but also said that women who didn't call themselves feminists were also shamed by feminists, so if you aren't a feminist or the right kind of feminist, you will be attacked by feminists. That's why she also said, she wants to accept the label, if you mean the basic concept (however you define it as she said)
10:00 When women's enrolment was low, that was considered inequality. When men's becomes low, she finds that acceptable - in fact, she can't see why it would be a problem if no man attended education.
Many of us feel sorry for the female gender. They have gone their own way, by choice, so good for them. But just seems like a victimhood mentality. A defeatist attitude. Pretty sad. Not sure why the first gal said "men in this group are using gender as a means to show they are being victimized" or something like that. I'm wondering if she realizes that objectively, that's exactly what Feminism does. Not sure she should be unhappy that men are rallying to defeat the man-hatred that is kinda common in society. It really is a gender issue, since Feminism made us -- the 'Patriarchy' -- into an enemy. .
i thought it was good that she took the initiative to see what it was all about. sadly that whole event went over her head going by what she took from it. :(
@@javiervalenzuela8284 To be fair Cassie's mentality was much more thorough than you might have expected from an already indoctrinated feminist. It was that thorough attitude to all the interviews and multiple sources that allowed her such a broad perspective on the matter to break through the hard shell of that indoctrination. Especially when reviewing her footage vs her diaries during the editing process. The only thing that irked me on her documentary was that she gave no later post review 'red pilled' perspective on the social studies academics that she interviewed - because their bias was so thick it surprised me that Cassie's questions could even reach them through it. It sickens me that universities that are supposed to support learning are employing such people - it's anathema to the entire point of universities, akin to employing the Nazi's who proposed book burning at a library.
She's a feminist but doesn't want to admit it..pathetic. They are everywhere and they are much worse than out of closet feminists. Great questions by Cassie. She exposed Sarah's bias. Also she's (Sarah) struggling very hard not to bluntly say what she really thinks and trying to be 'politically' correct. Just say it Sarah: "I hate men!!" It will make you feel better.
She just shows how brainwashed these types are. These privileged women are so catered to for their entire lives, and when young, men fall all over themselves and each other trying to serve them. For free. Just how clinical and pseudo-intellectual she is; she is the poster girl for MGTOW. She perfectly exemplifies why MGTOW is the only way.
Allen Michaels; I had a friend of 30+ years who was actually a femi-nazi. She has a 4 yr degree in bullshit, has no husband and no kids; not even a boyfriend, is Aunt to a f*cked up nephew from an equally feminist sister whom she can't stand, she works the nightshift as a janitor because no one can stand her, yet I'M THE *sshole with a day-time job and interact with the public on a daily basis. She is in deep f*cking water (sh*t) with the IRS because she hasn't paid her taxes nor her loans for the bullsh*t degree for years, Yet, I'm the *sshole because I disagree with feminism. I guess I'll have to let my 7 grandchildren know that someone thinks I'm a failure in life.. Oh, and my ex-wife is being cheated because my alimony to her, is not large enough to supplement her choice to retire at 59 years old. I guess her $1,000+ per month pension is too tough to get by on with my $500 per month to live with our middle son - rent free.
This Woman Sarah would need months to years of deprogramming before she could speak truthfully and fairly on the subject of Men's Rights. It's like listening to someone who's been indoctrinated into a cult....talks and makes no sense. It's both scary and sad at the same time.
No, there were a lot of contradictions playing out inside her head that her brain was spending all of its subconscious resources trying to resolve in the background.
Henri, I've noticed both of those aspects in most sjws; we all have this problem where we like something and attempt to justify it even without always knowing what we're talking about, and these guys just do that more often because of their over-emotional brains. They also attempt to de-legitimize things they don't like, and certainly you can see some of that playing out here. She also has some contradictions floating around in there too I'm sure, since sjws are often walking examples of projection.
It looks like the event really got to her. She is nervous and tired. I wonder what she will say after she thinks about it for a few weeks. She did miss the obvious when she said she thought the idea of men's groups is antagonistic. I mean, the subject IS men's groups, and if she admits that feminist groups are antagonistic, then she might have seen what men have been trying to deal with. I don't think she has been presented to men's rights issues before. She denies some of them are issues, but with time, she will have to agree that the men's issues are actually issues. I think she is messed up. Her logic is raising hell with her ideology. She knows on some level that the men are being reasonable, but her programming says different. I think it's cognitive dissonance. That's what I mean when I say that I wish we could see her after she thinks about it for a couple of weeks. She will talk to her girlfriends, and that might make her fall back on simplistic thinking. I only say that because I doubt her friends know what men's issues are.
Just the fact that men's issues are antagonistic whilst women's issues are a common subject that has only recently meet any resistance which is labeled misogyny is telling.
"I don't know any facts to support my position, but I know the other side has to be wrong because I don't want to believe it." I need to go wash my brain out by listening to Erin Pizzey.
She wants sooooo badly to find something misogynistic about men supporting each other. It's so sad that young men who need encouraging and uplifting messages get shut down and called things like "woman haters" and "rapists". No wonder 75% of suicides are committed by men....There's nowhere to turn.
stungunfun1 she talks about university being a prelivege space. she's on campus, therefore she's previlige. She says u go to a men's issues u r on the defensive-- now u know how men it feels for men at feminist meetings. Men don't want your sympathy.
“They used gender as a tool to disproportionately show how men are left out, essentially, from issues that were never defined.” That is a wonderful statement…people have been saying similar things about feminist arguments for some time, but for some reason they're often attacked for that. She raises some very good questions about where the information is coming from and how people define issues; due diligence is important. My question is whether or not she applies this same diligence to women’s events and the questions of women’s issues/spaces. Also, her head count is a bit strange - were people compelled to come? Was it an “invitation only” event? She frames the “only 15% women in attendance” thing as if it’s somehow the event’s fault. Should they have gone and wrangled more women to sit in the audience? It’s great that you ask the question about the audience of an analogous feminist event, Cassie, and her answer about how “men wouldn’t feel very welcome” is extremely telling. All in all, she seems like an intelligent human being, but one that is uncomfortable with the basic idea of the Men’s Rights movement, not to mention naïve about the political climate that surrounds it.
And it was interesting that she thought that the low number of women attending the meeting signified a problem but that the low attendance rate of men at universities today is of no consequence.
Glad to see an intelligent comment out here not misunderstanding her. Ya, she seemed pretty nervous and maybe not entirely sure. From the sounds of it, the event didn't seem particularly good. Maybe not a lot of information that she was looking for. The headcount was for sure unusual and the ethnic thing too. I think that is the only portion where I feel maybe she was trying to imply something but she never did fully explain. It would have been nice to hear what she thinks of the feminist movement, but she did claim feminist meeting are antagonistic just like the men's rights meetings are. So, my guess is she views feminism in a similar manner to that degree at least.
Good comment. I do not agree with her, but she sure is many levels above the "I hate all men and everything they do is wrong reeeeeeeee" feminists that we've seen in the raw files.
ThatMarchingBunny that she can say with a straight face that other factors weren't considered in citing enrollment as a men's problem and fully back an ideological approach that prattles on about wage disparities and many other supposed women's issues based on statistics which fully ignore other factors or pretend to consider them in ways that turn out to be deceptive or disingenuous upon closer inspection is evidence of a profoundly erroneous and biased outlook. Sad
Talk about hunting for offense 🤦🏻♂️ - jesus ... imagine watching the gender flip of this interview ... wild how hypocritical these young ladies can be ...
This is what Cassie mentioned in her talk about how she cured herself from Feminism. Before she recovered from it, she was simply unable to hear what people who contradicted Feminist doctrine were saying.
She admits that men would feel or be unwelcome at a feminist event and then has a problem with the lack of women here and worries it might be exclusive?
College enrollment is not a gender issue? Yet she goes on to list affirmative action being a factor in college enrollment...now I am a University dropout, so correct me if I am wrong, but I was almost certain that Affirmative Action is policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, which includes race and GENDER. So her statement is contradictory. Her comment on women being the largest demographic of cleaners is also incorrect according to an article posted by the Boston Globe (Source: U.S. Department of Labor) 65.8% of employees in Janitorial and Building Cleaning capacity are Male. This can also lead into discussion as to why women choose lower paying jobs then cry foul when they aren't paid what a man working in Engineering, Nuclear Science or Petroleum Industry is making. She brings up the issue of who will be excluded from the Center but seems to forget how often men are excluded from shelters...there little to nothing in resources/places for men who are battered and abused by partners or who are raped. It seems that the lack of due diligence is actually on the part of this "college student," one would think that if she wanted clarification on issues they brought up that she would ask them or find out where she could get more information on a topic that could be talked about for hours, rather than smashed into a small event on campus. This whole interview was frustrating, she seemed oblivious and unsure of her position...or at least unconvinced of it. I can't stand feminism, feminists are ruining relationships between men and women and ruining it for both in this society. All in all, I am not impressed with the level of "educated students" going to Uni...thank goodness I stopped wasting money and dropped out. She should definitely reexamine her education.
Does anyone have ANY IDEA what she was talking about?!!! I’d like to have an opinion about her opinion but I honestly can’t decipher this gibberish! I know she was speaking English and yet it sounded like another language? If dogs could talk then this was the equivalent of listening to a drunk canine explain why chasing its own tail is a productive use to time.
Isa, touche. I see what you did there. Good point. Well played. Take note, folks. Otherwise, I totally agree with the mob that the woman in the video proves the point why we need awareness of men's issues equally. We are not the men who are products of another time, mysogynists, who are desparately clinging to the old times when we men held dominion over women and animals and the environment. No, these men's issues are another voice for equality that often doesn't get heard because it is drowned out and not taken seriously. Isa made a good point about history. History was incredibly unfair to women. Even more unfair than it is for men now. It seems that it should only be right to let women have their turn. But the solution is for equality. NOW, there is much more equality than there ever has been, in America and Europe anyway. We are still sorting things out. There are lots of little things that have been overlooked and it is good that women bring up the issues that still are unfair for them. But if equality is what matters, then men also have to be allowed to have a voice. Men's issues ARE real issues. They are not mysogynist or sexist issues. Homelessness and suicide and broken families are real issues that leave men way behind. We are talking survival here. Women like to point out that CEOs are disproportionately men. Men are on the top, but men are also on the bottom. Most homeless people are men. Most suicides are men. Most prisoners are men. Men get convicted to longer prison sentences for the same crimes as women. Men lose their children in custody battles by default unless it can be proven that the mother is abusive. Men have to pay alimony to their ex-wives after divorce, even though women are supposed to be equal. Men get drafted to fight and die in wars. Deep down, we are the same beings inhabiting these gendered bodies. None of us want to be treated unfairly. None of us want to die or suffer without being appreciated. So let the men have their men's center without judgement.
@Isa Well, because I think it's neccessary to see that the gender debate, how it is now, is very one sided and antagonistically structured, if you don't realize it looking at current feminism then maybe you realize at the other end and have a chance to take a look in the other direction again.
So frustrating to watch, how pointing out men are having less space in higher education antagonistic? And how far should it go until she thinks it is a gender issue, should it get to 10% enrollment for men, what about 5%, will it then be a gender issue? I don't know her views on STEM courses, but nowadays it is a hot topic of discussion, everywhere it is being talked about how women enrollment in STEM **must** be increased and that is a gender issue, it goes as far as accusing the whole field of being antagonistic to women. But when it comes to men suddenly it is not a gender problem. At least be consistent.
The truth about the matter is that MRAs don't seem to be assuming that it is necessarily about sexism (when it obviously is). While women in STEM isn't about sexism, but feminists flat out state it is. Women in STEM is a gendered issue, that doesn't mean that it's a patriarchy or sexist issue (It's actually an issue within feminism itself). She is making the assumption that a gendered issue (an issue that disproportionately affects one gender) is the same as sexism (prejudicial treatment based on stereotypes around gender). The issue of male enrollment in college is already a women's issue because women aren't able to find 'suitable' men of their social 'status' and refuse to marry 'down'. Never mind that we are supposed to be living in a society where a homeless person is the same as a millionaire in the eyes of the law (yes I know we don't actually). Everyone is technically 'equal' in social standing. P.S. The reason I say women in STEM is an issue within feminism itself is because feminists are teaching young girls that they shouldn't have to think their sh*t through. Being a scientist REQUIRES thinking things through and if girls are being raised not to than they aren't going to do well in STEM fields. ERGO, feminists created the low interest that women have in STEM.
@Why Black Well it obviously has its rewards. If you knowtow to the orthodoxy, you'll likely get better jobs, and be allowed to keep the ones you have.
Yah, men’s issues..... but what about women? Did she really just call out the men’s rights event for not having enough women represented? And not enough women in attendance? Do they really need more triggered women in the crowd looking to downgrade men’s issues? This chick found nothing of any value in the event. Not one positive aspect in any of it. Men don’t have issues. When women were a minority on campus is was a gender discrimination issue but when it’s men, it’s a complicated socio-economic issue. I think it’s stupid when feminists see something and say, that’s why we need feminism, but this woman and her attitude is why we need men’s rights events.
They cannot stand someone having a legitimate grievance other than themselves. Victimhood is one of their biggest weapons and so they immediately attempt to turn around any topic that might potentially make it clear other groups have issues or they are in fact, not oppressed but oppressors. Its called controlling the narrative. Even in cases where they cannot justify their blatant misandry they will attempt to bring the other side down to their level - "Yes, but men do it too"! If they cannot win, they will go to lengths to ensure at least the other side will remain vilified as well.
These women never get into the actual issues men have, they try to stop the discussion before it even begins. I’d say in general the group who is actively against the rights of others would be considered the oppressors.
A thumbs up for Cassie, she did all these interviews and cut out the chaff for the documentary. Evidently she rightly assumed that this was useless as she's basically a student saying the same things as the insanely biased academics she interviewed in the documentary, and likely got those views from said academics, or others like them. Why show the dilute form of the arguments when you can show the 'pure' source of them.
And women dont use there gender as a tool ,and she said idont belive men should have a space for men only ,but women must have it 100% . Makes me laugh
"Men's issues don't invite sympathy," paraphrasing her at the end. I ask then. And why would women feel sympathy for men? John Rew, a fellow youtube user, provides the best answer to my question: "I believe there is a deep seated imperative to stand back and not help males particularly in women. Why would a woman be evolutionarily predisposed to helping adult males ? It would get in the way of mate selection." We all agree to be a man is to stand alone on some level.
That statement stood our for me as well. Every male knows that there is no sympathy for men. No male would attempt to garner it and boys learn that lesson before they are age 10.
Dr. Warren Farrel said it wonderfully: If our survival depends on the willingness of our sons to sacrifice themselves, then that means that sympathy for men collides with our survival instinct.
Kiff Thanks for sharing. There are some really deep and depressing insights (depressing because they are uncomfortable and true) about human nature and the human condition coming from MRA and MGTOW thinkers who are mostly ignored. That insight from Dr. Farrell is one the deepest and most depressing I've come across. Meanwhile, Feminism dominates politics and Slavoj Zizek is considered the world's greatest philosopher. Such is the world. I think courage (the willingness to sacrifice oneself) is essentially a male virtue. It's what gets things done. Especially, great things. Without it nothing great would ever be achieved. Nassim Nicholas Taleb has a great insight on courage. It goes something like this, paraphrasing: "the price of signalling courage is so high that whenever you see it you just know you're looking at the real thing. There's no way to signal it without risking paying it's price. Courage cannot be faked."
It's true, men aren't going to get help, support or sympathy from the vast majority of women or the population at large. Only way this is going to get off the ground is if we do it regardless of fucks given or not. Civilization did not stand up with womens help and they're not going to aid in its repair
Ministry of Truth How about gratitude and appreciation...perhaps some respect and acknowledgement for the sacrifice and dedication men give...to recieve none of this makes any effort worthless.
Ry No Agreed... However, I see her more as misguided soul than as flat out advocating against men in general. She has a slew of contradictions and the only notes she took were about the proportionality of women attendees.... But at least she's not foaming at the mouth in her hatred against men. She did take down some websites. Hopefully, she gets red pilled sometime in the future. She seems a lot more chill than some of the feminists on UA-cam. She even refused to state that she is (well her admission is rather implicit).
When I listen to these rebuttals, and you hear them all the time, I think the real problem is that it really doesn't matter how women feel about MRAs. At some point the problem with these statistics is going to get to a point where they will fall off a cliff. There seems to be a general lack of concern with the prospect of say, perhaps men's enrolment in University falling to 10%. That is not going to be without consequences for women, and there is just this sort of vacuous opinion in general from women that ignores any negative male statistic as not something women have to worry about. I worry that our Western society will become so unfriendly to such a large majority of men, that they no longer wish to support it.
"I worry that our Western society will become so unfriendly to such a large majority of men, that they no longer wish to support it." Good point, and it seems to be already happening, particularly with the young guys who are just being completely turned off by western feminists and the society they are creating. Looks like the slow collapse of a civilization to me, as there are going to be millions of men who are not going to contribute much in the upcoming decades. Why should they? There is little in it for them. Like the millions already there, they will be taking from society and not producing for it. Sad state of affairs for western society.
And what happens then? Either we believe in a future of both genders working in concert and cooperation, or we don't. Paying radical lip service to the idea of feminizing males and thereby solving the problem strikes me as more of a 1940's Aryan mindset, than anything humanly possible. Yes, just that dark and ugly. Learning how to hate and calling that an education has become the sublime rip-off of the century. (This one and the last one). Instead of it being laughed out of town it is embraced by all our institutional powerhouses. (Which the haters were indeed, smart enough to court.) Men are, of course, not accoutrements, accessories, projects or fictional characters. They are just as completely human as......the other half. No more, no less. That there should even have to be MRA is a complete abomination of the body politic. But there it is. Personally, I applaud women smart and courageous enough to speak out on this issue, especially recognizing the fact that they can say many more things with impunity that men can't anymore. Which strikes me as odd, on the part of those cancel culturalists. This "enemy" that they create....yet the fools don't care to know what this fabricated enemy is thinking. (thinking that they already know, of course.)
"I think it is good, from a PR perspective, not to call men's issues 'men's right's'." Seriously, they can't even see their gender bias. It is hilarious the mental gymnastics these people have. "They talked about boy suicide rates, and divorce and custody, but never really explained what issues men were facing." Seriously?!
I've seen this tiresome tactic lately ever since the MRAs became known to the public. They were labeled the other side of the feminist coin and said to be closet misogynists and advocates against women rights. When women can no longer be logically defended, society's response is to knock the men down on the other side of the conflict in order to 'equalize' the situation. So it ends up being 'Radical feminists have their problems too, but MRAs are no better'. Which of course is a blatant lie. What's extremely saddening is that the so-called rationalwiki has fallen to this line of thinking and every feminist article is very supportive while MRAs, MGTOWs and any men protesting women's privilege is labeled a conservative that wants women back in the kitchen as a slave.
Only 3 women cared enough to come, so that means the topic is invalid. I honestly cant believe she thought that was a valid point to make. Unreal. Its a Men's Rights discussion, why do you care how many women are there? Why does a low number of women present invalidate the cause?
Robert Lee I prefer less women when it comes to important issues....or any issues really. Sad that the only way the world listens is when it's filtered through a woman. But I've won, I keep them all as far away as possible. Never has a woman enriched my life, beyond a little bit of shaft lubrication.
Yeah, you nailed my point. We dont need a large number of women to be present to validate mens issues. WE determine what our issues are, and which ones are valid. As you said, we dont need our issues filtered through women. The fact this girl sees the world that way, just shows how much entitlement and power they truly have.
Women in reality draw their power from a combination of victimhood, neoteny and worship of motherhood (womb). So even though they are far more valuable in society eyes and considered above the status of men, they cannot openly flaunt this as they must continue to peddle the act that they are, in fact, oppressed. This is why you get nonsense like 'herstory' in which women tend to vastly inflate or lie about their perceived hardships in the past. Such is very effective in gaining sympathy. No mention that aside from childbirth (which is biological, and something MEN have more or less solved with technological advancement) men had it objectively worse with far higher deathrates, horrible working conditions, no ability to shift blame, no perks provided by society simply for being born with a penis, etc.
Jinn Bottle. Nicely put and a great observation. That's exactly what she was doing. Instead of actually thinking and feeling she was doing a mental excercise in justifying what she has been taught. Sympathy for high suicide rates were brushed aside for sophistry.
Men's enrollment down to 33% is not a problem. Maybe flip that and ask yourself it would be problematic if women's enrollment dropped to 33%? Of course there would be outrage!
All women are selfish and feel entitled to stuff from other people. All women are feminists. Feminism is just what happens when you give women a voice in the political arena.
Nick Smith ever since going MGTOW my life is much more enjoyable than ever before. No female bs to HAVE to deal with in relationships again. No need for female validation, no need to DO what I don't care to, simply to make her happy, and no need to answer any stupid questions to satisfy HER insecurities. Peace and tranquility is the life we have without women in them. Unless your just a pathetic loser looking for a mommy to define what and who you should be as a man MGTOW in today's world is the logical answer.
1:10 Sarah: "I thought custody was brought up a lot". Translation: Men do not have my permission to talk about custody THAT much. I, Sarah The Magnificent, will decide how much is too much...and then inform you of my decree.
Troy Dunn Almost as if the men loved their children and resented a crooked system and ignoble single mom exes who use their children as weapons and income sources for themselves....so weird that the men would talk so much about something so peripheral to a meaningful life!! She needs to Rent a clue on that one
Isa I'm not the one callously dictating to a fellow person what level of access they should have to their children. If you are honest with yourself you know that you wouldn't have presumed to judge a woman's mental health and then used it as a flimsy justification for refusing her custody or even unsupervised access to her children. EDIT : you come across as bigoted.
LR Disco as always. It’s like a deflection tactic. You end up so tangled up, trying to figure out where they are going with their “ideas” that you walk away.
14:30 "You know what I should have done? I should have taken account of the ethnic make-up of the room. That would have been interesting as well." Why? Because men's issues aren't relevant if the men aren't ethnically diverse? Why can't people just live and let live? Ugh, it's nauseating.
she clearly isn't an orthodox feminist, and picking words carefully can often be a sign of being careful and considerate and wanting to articulate yourself properly. She was also being interviewed straight after the experience, so it's not like she'd had time to fully process all of her thoughts and feelings. It might help, if we want men's issues to be taken more seriously, to be kinder and considerate to the perceived 'opponents', so that when they claim we're hateful etc.etc. there's no evidence of that. I worry parts of this men's rights thing are just as much of an oblivious knee-jerk victimhood group as they rightly declare feminism to be.
17:00 "The reason security guards are here, I think that's entirely warranted." A universal observation: when a woman is losing an argument, she makes a conspicuous display of feeling physically threatened.
I love how she takes great offense at the student's attempt to reproach her for exercising her freedom of speech, when she only came to the event to shut down their right to freedom of speech, by demonizing their message as "antagonistic." I mean, you can't make this shit up.
You need to pay more attention. She never said that. She even claimed feminist events come off as antagonsitc and she isn't wrong about that. This is why feminsim seems antagonistic towards men, and when men's rights seems antagnoistic towards women, and why black lives matter seems antagonistic towards whites, and why all lives matter seems antagonistic towards blacks. That's just the reality of the situation. She took offense that the house rules suggested protests were not allowed as that is against free speech. She also never said she was there to even protest, so you seriously need to clean out your ears. You are behaving like a feminist hearing shit that wasn't said.
_She does a head count of the event, she compares this to the enrollment numbers provided by the speaker. Her conclusion was that there should've been more women at this event._ This is EXACTLY the same logic Marxism uses to leap from evidence of disparity DIRECTLY to "well there must have been some sort of injustice perpetrated" and ALWAYS oblivious to the simple alternative: people's interests differ, and people make different choices. If all the derivatives of Marxism could JUST wrap their heads around the concept of the individual's capacity for choice making, so much of this nonsense would be completely avoided.
I did an interview with Saachi Khoul of Buzzfeed News yesterday. I talked about boys falling behind in education from the primary school level onward, including:
* teacher bias against boys exists (female elementary school teachers grade boys down compared to gender-blinded evaluators)
* boys are aware of this bias (when third grade boys were asked to wager money on how good a grade they expected to get on a project, they wagered less when they were told the teacher was female and would know they're a boy than when they were told the teacher was male or that the teacher wouldn't know they're a boy)
* both boys and girls agree that boys receive the bulk of negative attention from teachers in classrooms
* because school at the primary level is dominated by women, and because of the above issues, and because boys might not have their first male teacher until grade 8 math, they are likely to internalize the message that school is not for boys
Her response to that was to first ask if the boys were white.
I was like, "Uh... this affects all boys, including minority boys."
She then said, "But CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are overwhelmingly male."
I was like... WTF? So I say, "what does what's going on among 50 to 70 year olds in the top 1 tenth of 1% of the population have to do with how boys are doing in elementary school?"
She says, "well, men are still dominant."
I said, "those male CEOs were boys in elementary school 40 to 60 years ago. What does that have to do with what's happening now in elementary schools? You have to realize there's a bit of a lag at work here, and if you look at age cohorts from oldest to youngest, you find women and girls catching up and then surpassing men and boys as you track backwards from older to younger cohorts. Single women in their 20s in cities now earn 8% more than their male counterparts. Your entire argument here seems vindictive--like you're happy to see boys punished because men are still dominant in the top 1% at age 50."
"So MRAs are complaining about women catching up, is what you're saying."
I said, "women had parity in post secondary enrolment in the 1980s."
She comes back with me not being intersectional enough. "Yes, but women of color earn much less compared to white men."
I said, "Not to get all intersectional on you, but the gender gap favoring women in post-secondary attainment in the US is largest in the black community."
The producer interrupts and tries to get us back on the topic of bias against primary school boys and asks her to clarify her counterargument. She replies that she thinks her point about the dominance of men at the top of Fortune 500 companies is an adequate rebuttal. (WTF!!!????)
Honestly, it was like talking to a brick wall.
is there any link for that? :D, i love watching your vids. Greetings from Mexico :D !
Dishonesty is a core character trait that is shared among not just Feminists but the entire Leftist cult.
Nope. I expect it will be edited to make me look like a tool. I'll link it somewhere conspicuous when it goes up.
Karen, in 2018 the idea we are all supposed to support society's constant drumbeat of Women's oppression in all its various flavors. Now feels more like a society-wide mental illness then even a cult. These people are not actually thinking, for them logic/reality do not exist. To get them back to even a neutral/thinking state would require no doubt some significant degree of de-programming. Sometimes I think to myself that if these people were "de-programmed" they would wake up and say "did I really say that...that is crazy.." But just the same Karen, keep up the good work you do for the many Men who have no voice.
Karen do you get a copy of all the interviews you do? I highly doubt it because then you can put the unedited version up and they may start saying no if you include it as a condition
Only women can decide if men’s issues are legitimate apparently .
MrTom1379 that was exactly what was going through my head as she went through how unwelcoming and offensive it was to have a group about men's issues, with men gathering to talk about mens issues. Not to mention they actually put out flyers to inform and invite others, and they actually want a mens center, while we only have one center each for women, LGBTQ, and "P.O.C's"!
Can you imagine the outrage if men objected to a woman’s centre ? Or even expressed an opinion .
+MrTom1379 -- Yass, exactly. Because when you're raised by your Marxist professors to see intellectualism as toxic and only loosely connect thoughts with emotional association to reach your conclusions then your sexual instincts will make "male" and "victim" a contradiction. Marvelous. _Oh, but Feminism is inclusive, you guys!_ My ass.
-> There weren't very many women there.
-> None of their issues were remotely valid.
-> It felt hostile, and like they thought women didn't care about them.
You could put this girl in a house of mirrors and there still wouldn't be any self-reflection going on. I think my blood pressure might actually be up a bit from that.
lol Puglous...nailed it
If a Man left a conference on Woman's issues and repeated her words he would be strung up.
should remake the video and have a man answering as a parody loool
@@RR-pk4to Would immediately get pounded by the media and burned at the stake
Why do people think talks that center on men's issues should include women? It's not men's and women's issues, it's men's issues. Issues my husband, my brother, my cousin or my guy friends have are far different from mine. For instance a friend had a girlfriend who abused him on a regular basis. One night he managed to pin her to the ground and hold her there until the police showed up. It didn't matter that he was bruised and bleeding while she only had mild rug burn on one cheek, or that neighbors told the police they had seen her hit him on previous occasions. Nope, he was arrested and convicted of domestic abuse. Women are believed when it comes to domestic abuse and have over 600 shelters designed strictly for battered women in the US. Men are rarely believed, and if they defend themselves can be charged with domestic abuse. They also have 1 shelter designed for battered men. The rabid feminists out for male blood just don't care. My last example needs a smidge of backstory: I have two kids still home with me, my daughter is 18 and my son 9. When my son was 6 I had several of those rabid feminists tell me that I shouldn't put much effort into raising or educating my son, and instead should channel that energy into my then 15 almost 16 year old daughter, because my son was just a future rapist. A young, moderately autistic boy being labeled a future rapist and a lost cause... people wonder why I don't support modern feminism. I support the movements that worked for real change: the right to vote in the early 20th century, the right to serve in the military during WWII and the right to be seen as a person with ideas and value outside of the wife and mother roles. My grandmother, rest her soul, was in the Women's Marine Corp during WWII, she was a true feminist. She didn't cry and scream about first world problems. Modern feminists are an insult to her memory as well as the others who fought in the other waves.
You, i like you. Not in a metoo kind of way, but in a I think I could have a civil conversation with this person kind of way. Which is rare on the interwebs. Women like this are why mens issues are ignored. You can watch her filter her words soooo carefully. Mens issues not being taken serious is a 2 part problem IMO. 1st part is the women who think men dont have issues. How could we? We are part of the patriarchy, every where is our safe space! 2nd is the men who dont have issues and call other men weak or whiny for expressing their issues. Most men stick with this mentality until finally something goes wrong and BAM the glass of their reality shatters. So you have to some how convince both groups which is insanely difficult because these women think that issues are their thing and refuse to let it go, and the men think they have no issues and refuse to let it go. The legal system is clearly bias because it shares both my aforementioned mentalities. So how do we fix this? This is creating a toxic environment for our children to be coming into. Imagine being a boy in school today. You are told you are a toxic man for showing any masculinity and if you talk to any girl who doesn't clearly make it known that shes into you will be labeled a sexual harasser. Kind of put in a box. If you do talk to girl you're a perv, don't and you're a sexist. Oh and if you think any differently than what social media tells you you are a bigot sexist racist etc etc. Morale of my rant; men are screwed.
I’m so thankful I was at college during a time we had a student center , and a student health center. It makes me so disgusted that not only do they discriminate based on gender by having a “Women’s Health Center”. But they are actually against a men’s health center, and did she just say that talking about “men’s rights” is a problem? Of course men have rights, everyone has rights. But then, since they have “women’s studies “ that says it all. They discount 50% of human beings, and have an echo chamber to practice their ignorance and hate in.
Hi Carrie. I thought you should know that women like men. So maybe that's why they show up?
30 years ago in College I took an elective course called "Men's Lives".
It was sort of a precursor of MRA in a vague way. It was an elective course. So only people who were interested took it. Half the class was made up of girls. And I think that's cool. Don't you?
I don't really want to live in a world where women don't like men. Cuz I like women.
@@pepelapiu2004 She wasn't asking why women would show up, she was asking why the interviewee found it problematic that there were too few women there for her tastes.
@@pepelapiu2004 The Men enrolled to learn about being a better Man. The Women enrolled to learn how to marry a Man.
''It's not wise to have a men's rights group'' - Such hypocrisy.
She also said "...good they try to make it about everyones rights, not just men rights..."
@@DeepInsideZettaiRyouiki she also said she "had a problem with EVERY EXAMPLE given". Just another self entitled feminist
i have to agree with her though... not for her reasoning but rather that men with issues don't need a bunch of rabid haters gathered around them telling them they're insignificant and draining educational funds away from other more deserving groups. Rather they relabel themselves and go on with getting some healing that might be muchly needed.
My one and only question to your statement is why shouldn't they? When in today's society the only "legitimate" group for the world to hate now a days is white males. How can you say they don't need a space. That's hypocrisy. Saying your group deserves a space, but they don't is exactly hypocrisy. Hypocrit.
I think she was just saying it is politically and strategically unwise to call yourself a men's rights group, probably because people won't listen to you
"that's not real men's issues to me" ~Sarah, princess of privilege land.
Philipa Blythe That she basically blew off the suicide rate increase and divorce issues tells you the lens she filtered this event. So her argument is that smart university men who are privileged in her mind don't need a space, but the unprivileged men might need one? She sees that men talking about men's issues as antagonistic because she doesn't feel the target audience of the discussion? Ugh.
College enrollment is not a gender issue unless women are under-enrolled. When men are under-enrolled, it must be for other reasons. It couldn't possibly be that there are over 800 gender-specific scholarships for women and none for men.
She doesn't sound like she understands what she is saying.
But it is interesting that she thinks that the men's groups should splinter along ethnic lines the way feminist groups do.
i think that her point is that we should approach this from a victim mentality, and then have competitions over who the biggest victim is, as women do for feminist intersectionality.
Jack Dingler indeed!
She's complaining that the men's movement doesn't embrace intersectional identity politics.
No doubt prschuster.
I think what confuses her is that the men's movements are not based on feelings. They are instead based on factual verifiable issues.
For her, feelings are issues. So since we're not expressing feelings, and having our feelings redressed, we have no identifiable issues.
intersectional identity politics is entirely based on exploring feelings.
Jack Dingler, yes she wants to reduce the men's movement to another oppression hierarchy before it will be recognizable to her. That's probably all she is capable of understanding.
I wouldn't say she doesn;t understand what she is saying. At first I thought she was pausing and stuttering because she was trying to explain her views in ways that wouldn't make her a hypocrite... Then I realized that she was not worried about that at all, and she was instead struggling to keep her words from making her look like a 100% man-hating hag. (Which she probably thinks she succeeded in, but didn't.)
You can smell gender studies all over that one.
That and french fries.
@Charles, no wonder gender studies is one of the most useless courses on our blue planet.... It produces mediocrity and delusions.
ChattyPablo...hell no
2:22 “it was framed as entirely a gender issue, when in fact I think enrollment goes far deeper than gender”.
Just like the wage gap right? 😏
The so called *'wage gap'* is not anything at all, and has been relentlessly proven to be a lie!!
Well she meant in terms of things like race and class which is fair enough, I suppose it would how enrolments rates are for minority men and working-class men
Your first mistake......reasoning......not a useful tool when dealing with crazy.
lmao her argument of given the enrollment of more girls than guys there should be more girls turning up for a talk on men's issues. Has she ever considered that's because the girls don't give a shit about men issues that's why. Next thing u know she's gonna say "look at our lectures more boys are turning up for class than girls, this is a gender issue, girls are being oppressed to not attend classes"
@@zachariahlloyd6043 there is a wage gap which directly correlates to the life gap. Men work more to the point that time is literally deducted from their lives in exchange for a few more dollars to pay for child support and support people who live on social subsidies including studrnt loan debt
I can see her expression change, her face goes a tad blank as she hears her own hypocrisy and obvious projection, then she plows forward with her mindless narrative, blinders firmly in place.
Stephen Lennox .. agreed furthermore I speculate there was an awful lot of inner dialogue going on before she spoke ..
You know, she could lose her job if she contradicts feminist narratives on campus.
“It appeared that all women were anti-man, which is very unfair. So, when I counted how many people were in attendance, it seemed that only 18-20 of the 100 were women, where enrollment of women is higher, so there should have been more women.”
My response, there weren’t a lot, because women don’t care or want to believe it’s an issue. That was an issue that was discussed. The point was just confirmed from her.
TigerTacklers Cassie even asks her immediately if men would show up to a feminist event, and she says "probably not because they'd feel threatened"
+Mogwai Man -- That was great. I wonder what men'd have to fear? _'Cuz like, it's umm the equaliteh of all genders such as fimmaile emprowerment and such as..._
Throughout the whole interview she was trying to be sooo tactical but she just couldn't even because she's an indoctrinated airhead with the thousand-mile stare of a dull mannequin and the compassion of a minefield.
Mogwai Man
This is a big signal that I don't think she necessarily drinks the feminist koolaid either. Everyone is giving her shit for talking about the context of statistics and the unnecessary gendering of issues, which is EXACTLY what everyone points out when feminists give seminars about women's issues. The mens rights movement needs to be careful about this. If they're willing to believe their problems are gendered by default (just like the feminists are) they're bound to run into the same issues as the "screeching feminist" types. She's got some valid points but the responses by many here are very feminist in nature. I'd say there are an awful lot of hypocrites in this comment section.
SilentMott
The thing with men's issues is that men can back up the issues with facts. Fact is that commercials on tv to empower women are there but there are zero for men and boys. Social programs for University attendance is specifically excludes white males but do enclude everyone else. Promoting STEM fields for women is ongoing but there is no promotion for men to get into predominantly female fields. Men and women can commit the same crime and statistically the man gets more time in prison. So facts back up the claim. Women cry about a wage gap that only exist because men tend to work longer hours than women so they get paid for the overtime. Women generally take more time off work. So feminist complain alot but there is nothing to backup the claims.
@@LieutenantSilver Cassie was a lot more balanced than most feminists, even early on before she had time to process most of the information she took in during the production of her documentary.
You heard it form the horses mouth.
Men bringing up their problems is inherently "antagonistic".
This is how male disposability plays out in real life, in real time. Just simply pointing out men have these problems is unacceptable to 99% of women. Cause men were always expected to just do it and shut up about it.
You're correct, Men are expected to do what's expected (by women) of them, *in silence* .. Or they are Man shammed, insulted and told to "Man Up", Shut up and Pay up, and then kicked to the curb..
This is the Classic inherent nature of Females, = Abusive !
Can ya see why women were kept in the Kitchen for thousands of years ?
I agree 100%. Told to man up, I highly recommend watching a western called THE BIG COUNTRY with Gegory Peck, a perfect example of what is expected of men in this world. Gregory Peck sets everyone straight as to what a man is. His fiance and the whole town finds out the hard way. Haha. Most men are Honerable. When men are fighting over wealth, theyre really fighting over women, because wealth brings women. In the movie Gregory peck is shit testing his fiance, something men in our time have stopped doing. The juice aint worth the squeeze nowdays, so start shit testing them you guys, like Gregory peck did. It shows his intelligence. Stop thinking with your little head.
Shes going to die alone. I dont have empathy for her.
Right. This is why Men’s Rights Activism is a pipe dream. #GoMGTOW
@@gben82 MRA is a waste of time... men take every ounce of power back when they ignor women
_8 every 10 suicides are male_ Sarah's mind: "No, not a gender issue."
_women shaving their armpits_ Sarah: "Jeez, total evil patriarchal gender issue right there!"
The fact that there are women weak and pathetic enough to complain about shaving just astounds me. I've felt too lazy to shower. I've felt too lazy to brush my teeth. I have NEVER felt too lazy to shave my body.
She made a head count of all females participating and was critical of how few there were.
She could go to a female issues conference where males were explicitly excluded and she probably wouldn't think a negative thought of it.
In fact she actually said that males attending female events would feel unwelcome. That hinted at the feminist agenda against men and she didn't even realize that she admitted it.
Well of course. Female entitlement, How dare ANYONE suuggest that men outnumber women on issues impacting on,... MEN ? Could you imagine the outrage if MEN outnumbered a womens issues meeting, ?
To be fair if women can't come and sit down and just take it all in they will never even come close to understanding these problems and the depths to which they go.
Feminism has no shortage of champions or funding from both private and public (govmt) sources.
MRA groups and aims are the exact reverse of this - and they have far more working against them than feminists or suffragettes ever did in their early days, while doing far less to warrant such negative attention from the other side.
@@lochinvar00465 What it hints at is a complete lack of basic self awareness.
This is extremely similar to people rigidly following religious dogma.
In that observation Karen Straughan is very correct.
This is what MRA's have to work against, what basically amounts to religious fanaticism.
She is seriously struggling to not contradict herself LOL
Rendishen but she did contradict herself. She said she was not a feminist but spouts out feminist doctrine and about the lack of compliance of the men meeting there at that day.
I think she's struggling to even comprehend what she just saw.
Also she made a contradictory Freudian slip about men
you can see that in her face when she says some things, it is so obvious, It almost made me smile, but then I remembered she doesn´t have an inch of empathy for men
Agreed. 0 empathy. I think this is the common female. Even more sly to state aspects of the feminist agenda but shy away from being called a feminist. This is something men should be afraid of moving forward. Women who are feminists but skate around the edges of being called one. A small caveat: Cassie Jay is the uncommon female.
Hypocrisy and projection at its finest.
I really wish Cassie asked her what her view on women in STEM so that we could see her personality fracture under the pressure of the cognitive dissonance.
I have a bit of a question for you. How is she a hypocrite when you don't really know her views on feminism? All you heard was her discuss a very specific event, which for all you know, maybe it was that bad.
Agreed Russell that is pretty much how I viewed it as well. I feel like a lot of people in this comment section is just automatically coming to the assumption she is some sort of staunch feminist. Some even going as far as to claim she is one and just doesn't want to admit it or is a man hater.
I feel like some of these people don't realize, they are acting like feminists themselves.
ThatMarchingBunny it was less what she said, and more what she didn't say. She criticizes identity politics when it comes to mend rights, but when the topic of feminism is brought up, she does not mention how they can be guilty of the same things. If she didn't agree with radical feminists making everything a gender issues when there it's not necessarily so, she had a prime opportunity to say so, but her only issue with the feminist able is some feminists telling phat feminists that they're not feminist enough. she then says that she is for female empowerment. not equality, female empowerment.
you can make pretty good guess's about people's views based on what they do and don't choose to talk about.
thatmarchingbunny, she defined feminism as "female empowerment" then goes onto cricise the need for gendered assistance at universities (for men). she points out any student in a university is "privileged", i agree... if she applied that consistently, however, feminists would cease to exist on campus, as would the diversity officer, female health specialist, female only legal assistance, female only study areas, female only safe spaces, female only sex health officers, female only counselors, female accommodation officers etc etc etc. she is a hypocrite and it became evident the longer she talked as you can see her do several double-takes to avoid contradicting herself. i'd also include in that list the "women's studies" actual courses as they have been demonstrated not to be academic enterprises but activist indoctrination courses which produce individuals with no central core standards or ideals or relevant idea of basic history, but a jumble of contradictory, divisive and innacurate ways of looking at their pampered, privilaged lives... then they're released into the world and we have to deal with them.
if her recommendation (for men) were followed through in a non sexist fashion her whole ideology would be reliant on private citizens and not the tax-funded billions it receives today. i found it especially cute when she thought it a good idea to introduce "intersectional" lense to the mens rights discussion, you could see her think... "shit my feminists are mostly white privileged women".
ThatMarchingBunny, her hypocrisy is based on being misinformed and historically ignorant. Accusing them of using gender divisively is an example since that is a cornerstone of feminism.
The real concern about men's issues and a men's center is that they aren't enough about women. Got it.
When she used 'Meritocracy' as a negative connotation she lost all credibility and respect.
That is a female staple, that Men do not gain power because of their abilities, but because of their genitals!!
@ChattyPablo She has beautiful eyes and interesting facial expressions, but an ugly mouth/jaw. In balance I'd say normal.
women in minimum wage jobs are expected to get tips! Men are told to get a better job.
*More Truth!! ^*
What's more is women, especially feminists often have the colossal prickery to complain about having to smile and whatnot to get those tips that are so much easier for a woman to get than a man.
It's not as if tips are meaningless as cash tips are uncounted and can be excluded from taxes unless you pay them into your bank account regularly enough for them to look like a second cash paid job on the side (which is stupid if you are doing this I might add).
@ChattyPablo Not particularly no, but women can smooth out their rough edges significantly with some cosmetics.
Feminists tend to be rather touchy about cosmetics, so it would not surprise me if she did not use them a lot of the time, especially coming to an event like this.
-> There weren't very many women there.
-> None of their issues were remotely valid.
-> It felt hostile, and like they thought women didn't care about them.
You could put this girl in a house of mirrors and there wouldn't be any self-reflection. I think my blood pressure might actually be up a bit.
Well to be fair she seemed to voice the same opinions of feminist gatherings too.
Except the other way around
Women *DON'T* care about men, unless what's affecting men will inconvenience them in some way too.
Drake. No reflection? That's hilarious. I hope you don't mind if I steal that one. lol!
Guys, I think that at least some of her criticsms are quite valid and worth answering .... I think she has spoken with care.
We're reaching levels of projection and cognitive dissonance that shouldn't even be possible
its kind of incredible. she lists suicide and enrollment as men issues, which they very much are, and then lacks the sympathy she would have for nearly any other "group" for men because she views them through a feminist lense. Men are privileged, so they don't need any help. Did she listen to the facts at all? 80:20 male to female suicide. 60:40 male to female enrollment. its pretty CLEAR who the "privileged" group is you dumb grad student!
Pale Emperor. Well it's I find it frightening that people can be so easily indocrinated. The ratio of free thinkers to programmed zombies in humanity is alarmingly low.
"...they used gender as a tool to disproportionately show how men are left out from issues...." There's irony somewhere.
I use economics as a tool to talk about money.
"They painted us as anti man which I thought was a really fair; uh I mean unfair assumption"
Freudian slip.
This is kinda part of the problem though.
Their propaganda/PR tells them that feminism is not anti men - but the actual doctrine/dogma of feminism itself is fundamentally anti men, so it creates a mismatch in their ability to process it in their heads intellectually.
Like HAL9000 being told to lie to the crew of the Discovery about the mission to the Jovian monolith - this goes against his programming not to lie, so as a thinking/AI computer he basically has a psychotic break where his only resolution to the command not to lie is to kill the people he has to lie to so that he does not have to lie anymore.
I've probably made feminists sound more complex than they are by bringing in HAL, but their psychotic behavior does seem on point from some instances I've witnessed.
35% mens enrollment is not a valid point, but when in the labor field wome n are less represented, then it is valid.
ALL FEMINISTS ARE HYPOCRITES BRO
You have that wrong.
Feminists will actively ignore statistics on women in labor fields because it isn't about getting themselves into sweaty, physically dangerous, low paid jobs.
It's about getting a free/much easier ride into much better paying jobs in offices and any sort of job which requires minimal physical effort to maintain a high wage which gives them independence with the least amount of responsibility to go with it.
Also this girl doesn't care about men at all.
Mud Brawler cassie jaye, karen straughn. By grouping all women into this radical feminist group your doing exactly what these radicals do to men.
She’s so triggered! Lmao...🤣🤣🤣
no women does. by nature, women only care about themselves. feminism is not some evil political movement created by evil marxists. It's what happens when you give women a megaphone.
+Puglous
*This documentary is full of women who care about men.*
There are exceptions to almost every rule. I was speaking in general terms. Women have not evolved to care about men, they have evolved to manipulate men (women had to master their environments to survive, women had to master their men). And when you look at greater society this is exactly what we see: women taking every opportunity given to them to take advantage of men.
Also, women do not typically care about men as a group, but care about the individual men in their lives. For example, women do not care about men's rights but do want their sons to have rights to their children, because they as grand mothers want access to their grand children. Mothers will also not want their sons to be railroaded in divorce court because they can not be supported by their sons into old age if some other woman has taken all of his money. On this basis, it could be argued that even a mother's "selfless" love for her son is simply her acting in her own best interests.
+e val79
the reason these men are asking for permission is because they are not using their own money to create it. They want money from someone else.
The men who do what they want and take back control over their own lives are called MGTOWs.
She went to a "Mens Issues" event and was shocked to realize that they were only talking about men and their issues.
Cassie has said that she use to think the same way but the sense entitlement of the average Feminist is really galling.
They basically project on men what they feel themselves, and then piss on men for wanting basic things, like default parity in child custody considerations.
No definition? Who the eff needs a definition of "men's issues"? Is it that hard to understand. They're. Issues. That. Affect. Men.
I really doubt nothing was said on this as MRA can talk for days and months about all the shit hurting men. I think what actually happened was this little privilege princess feminist heard it then directly filtered it out because of cognitive dissonance and always hearing about how men are the oppressors everywhere. It is scary how peoples minds can have their empathy turned off like that for a certain group of people and not listen to a word they say. So much violence can be directed at them and no one would blink.
Michael Vincent that’s exactly what she did. She even brought up several male issues, but she didn’t think they were valid so she ignored them. She said they talked about suicides, divorce settlements, and enrollment rates (all men’s issues) and said they weren’t valid because they aren’t gendered issues (they are) you might as well talk to brick wall instead of someone like this
Yeah but what do they mean about when they say men's issues?
I haven't yet delved into that deep in MRA etc, so I have lots of pretty basic questions about them.
This chick was some normie who went into this event and probably never had heard of them before. I think she's pretty open minded compared to your basic feminazi bitches. Yes she's sjw to a decree, but at least she tried to be rational and open minded.
If speciffic issues are listed it becomes easier to jump to the heuristic shut-downs. Saying "There are issues that effect men as a concept," forces some to think rather than shut down. She just wants the ingrained "No, you'rr wrong because..." out over thinking that maybe men are people too.
Reverse the roles here. If they were talking about opening a women's center and some guy went on camera and tried to downplay the importance of the idea because they didn't clearly define what women's issues were, the shitstorm that would follow would be unbelievable. I don't get this my-victimization-is-worse-than-yours mentality. They act like compassion and empathy is a finite resource and if men ask for some with their issues, then they will get less. It's not a contest. Believe me, I think men can spot a pecker contest when the see one...
What a liar. I've worked in a hospital for 12 years and never seen a female porter, janitor or maintenance worker. Yea there are housekeepers and they are women, but it's the porter/janitor that does all the heavy work(using the buffing machines, waxing the floors, taking the garbage out...etc.), that's the whole point.
FOR THE SAME WAGE probably.
@@philipperejean9709 depends where you work...most housekeepers make jack shit in pay unless they land a steady job for wealthy families. Most janitors work for multi-million dollar businesses: hospitals and government buildings, etc.
I worked in a hispital where the enviro techs are mostly female. The individual that runs all the floor maintaining machines is an old Vietnamese lady.
@@philipperejean9709 as close to minimum as possible?
@@daffydlandegge3843 I doubt that housekeepers in hospitals are the same thing as what you are thinking about.
I hadn't even heard of the job in hospitals until the OP mentioned it here.
Did she get a degree in how to be a pseudo intellectual?
Well that is how she drives a vehicle. Recklessly
To be fair everyone above a certain IQ is kinda pseudo intellectual about issues they do not specialise in.
My dad is terrible for telling me x is good for my diet, or y is - despite the fact that his knowledge of biology and chemistry doesn't even match my secondary/high school education from 20 years ago.
Many people above a certain IQ become convinced that because they are slightly intelligent and are enthusiastic about a subject that they must be an expert on it.
Myself I know I'm just about intelligent enough to know that I know a little bit about a lot of things, and not nearly enough about everything.
I reckon that's about the best we can hope for really.
As I said, many people simply lack that basic self awareness.
A flat-earther, staring out the window of a spaceship, trying desperately to not see the globe in front of her.
er so your comment was stupid. Please don't embarrass yourself again man.
F.E S.M your eloquence is disarming. I will certainly do better in the future. Thank you, so much, for your input.
You are just blind and selfish as this girl is . Men are abused and when you are so narcisstic you can't even see when others are hurting, and ignore the pain of others just because it does not directly affect you.
@@@frank2bad You must feel so proud to be in such highly esteemed service to your Fem masters. Just keep turning a blind eye until they turn on you my friend. We who have suffered the hammers wielded by those high & mighty & supremely superior souls of women will welcome you warmly into our ranks of useless, disposable, and dumb lonely hearts club. We will laugh, we will cry, we will kiss our terrors goodbye, before we fade into the nothingness beyond this life. But at least we wont go totally alone my friend. On a brighter note, our victimized masters are working harder than ever (unbeknownst to themselves) to raise male suicide from 84% to as close to 100% as they can get. Just imagine, we can sing and dance like the people of France, when they realized they could eat cake, then we can begin anew in the after-world lightheartedly joking about who among us had the most ridiculous life, and who's heal was heaviest upon our necks & balls. It'll be a roast! So many jokes from every corner of the western world told by those who fell from mercy's grip. It'll be the funniest cacophony of laughter you'll ever be blessed to be a part of, and every soul gets a turn to tell his story to be ranked in the halls of Shambala. We will enjoy the company of our brothers even as we watch the shiny perfect souls of women fly far above us with their pearly wings and satisfied smiles as they soar up into the holiest of hollies, after finally & nobly setting the world straight into a utopia, free from the burdens of us fools. Cheers my friend, for our earthly hell can't last forever!
@@frank2bad Follow your own advice.
Cognitive dissonance hit her hard. Why should we mindlessly nod our heads over women's issues, but resist men's issues so hard? I hope she's had time to consider her reactions.
Oh, trust me, she's already feeling the incongruity in the clip. This experience probably triggered a crisis of conscience in her.
She literally describes every feminist tactic in the book
Which is good, if she can apply that logic to feminists too then she's become more enlightened than most people.
Exactly what i've kept thinking while listening to this
Right!?!?! I hope shes aware of it though.
She seems to take a great offense that the reunion wasn't ethnic representative, like if we care about the race of men who's there! A man is a man, whatever is race!
Good point.
She lives her life under the assumption that somehow all men are privileged
At least I can give this young lady props for coming to a talk and not pulling a fire alarm, although she clearly didn't get the message and she was still oblivious to her female privilege.
Chilapa of the Amazons .. do you realize how far we've Fallen when were praising normalcy and standard social etiquette that used to be expected from EVERY PERSON who was not a child ..
That was five years ago. These days they don't engage in discussion.
@@dgphi not anymore... Just being "insulted"
You're right, she obviously came in with an agenda to prove her already made up conclusions, but I think a lot of people would be surprised if they were scrutinized on their own behavior with regards to bias prone subjects that they'd do worse or even much worse than than her.
First off, most people don't even bother to properly listen to the arguments of the other side like she did. And when they do, they often very quickly resort to fallacious rebuttals like typically misrepresenting the other people's points, a strawman basically. But she doesn't do that either.
Not saying she's an example of the best way to do it, she obviously came in with a made up and closed mindset, but it *is* better than most people, it's easy to watch a youtube video and criticize someone.
She is all about female empowerment but doesn’t want the label of a feminist. Why? Could it be that she doesn’t want to be called a feminist because feminism now has a negative connotation? Like virtually all women she wants to avoid responsibility but reap the benefits.
Yep. women do not see words as tools to arrive at the truth. They see words as a means of getting what they want, and will say the most retarded crap if it gets them the right results. case and point: feminism.
Neh, she doesn't want to adopt the label "Feminist" because then she couldn't keep pretending to herself that she's "neutral".
She actually made it clear that she was scared of other feminists by not being sure that she can live up to other women's definition of it, but also said that women who didn't call themselves feminists were also shamed by feminists, so if you aren't a feminist or the right kind of feminist, you will be attacked by feminists.
That's why she also said, she wants to accept the label, if you mean the basic concept (however you define it as she said)
doesn't matter to me what label she uses. it's clear to me that she does not care about men and only cares about herself. that's all i needed to know.
@waltermh111 It's called an If-by-whiskey fallacy.
10:00 When women's enrolment was low, that was considered inequality. When men's becomes low, she finds that acceptable - in fact, she can't see why it would be a problem if no man attended education.
Many of us feel sorry for the female gender. They have gone their own way, by choice, so good for them. But just seems like a victimhood mentality. A defeatist attitude. Pretty sad.
Not sure why the first gal said "men in this group are using gender as a means to show they are being victimized" or something like that.
I'm wondering if she realizes that objectively, that's exactly what Feminism does. Not sure she should be unhappy that men are rallying to defeat the man-hatred that is kinda common in society.
It really is a gender issue, since Feminism made us -- the 'Patriarchy' -- into an enemy.
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Victim mentality is the inevitable destruction of any group that mistakenly subscribes to it!!
I am not one of the many who feel sorry for the female gender. They are doing this to themselves.
"that's exactly what Feminism does"
If you assume projection from feminists you'll be right virtually every time.
i thought it was good that she took the initiative to see what it was all about. sadly that whole event went over her head going by what she took from it. :(
She went into it with the same mentality Cassie originally went into the red pill.
@@javiervalenzuela8284 To be fair Cassie's mentality was much more thorough than you might have expected from an already indoctrinated feminist.
It was that thorough attitude to all the interviews and multiple sources that allowed her such a broad perspective on the matter to break through the hard shell of that indoctrination.
Especially when reviewing her footage vs her diaries during the editing process.
The only thing that irked me on her documentary was that she gave no later post review 'red pilled' perspective on the social studies academics that she interviewed - because their bias was so thick it surprised me that Cassie's questions could even reach them through it.
It sickens me that universities that are supposed to support learning are employing such people - it's anathema to the entire point of universities, akin to employing the Nazi's who proposed book burning at a library.
She's a feminist but doesn't want to admit it..pathetic. They are everywhere and they are much worse than out of closet feminists. Great questions by Cassie. She exposed Sarah's bias. Also she's (Sarah) struggling very hard not to bluntly say what she really thinks and trying to be 'politically' correct. Just say it Sarah: "I hate men!!" It will make you feel better.
She just shows how brainwashed these types are. These privileged women are so catered to for their entire lives, and when young, men fall all over themselves and each other trying to serve them. For free. Just how clinical and pseudo-intellectual she is; she is the poster girl for MGTOW. She perfectly exemplifies why MGTOW is the only way.
Allen Michaels; I had a friend of 30+ years who was actually a femi-nazi. She has a 4 yr degree in bullshit, has no husband and no kids; not even a boyfriend, is Aunt to a f*cked up nephew from an equally feminist sister whom she can't stand, she works the nightshift as a janitor because no one can stand her, yet I'M THE *sshole with a day-time job and interact with the public on a daily basis. She is in deep f*cking water (sh*t) with the IRS because she hasn't paid her taxes nor her loans for the bullsh*t degree for years, Yet, I'm the *sshole because I disagree with feminism. I guess I'll have to let my 7 grandchildren know that someone thinks I'm a failure in life.. Oh, and my ex-wife is being cheated because my alimony to her, is not large enough to supplement her choice to retire at 59 years old. I guess her $1,000+ per month pension is too tough to get by on with my $500 per month to live with our middle son - rent free.
Jesus Christ could she not feel how hard she was fighting reality?
I want to record myself doing a role reversal so this lady can watch how ridiculous she sounds.
it doesn't matter because reality is a construction of the patriarchy.
"I don't think its a gendered issue"
Proceeds to make it a gendered issue lol
It's only a gendered issue when it's against men.
This Woman Sarah would need months to years of deprogramming before she could speak truthfully and fairly on the subject of Men's Rights. It's like listening to someone who's been indoctrinated into a cult....talks and makes no sense. It's both scary and sad at the same time.
She was as confused as a man at a feminist rally
I agree.
She seems really vague and disjointed. I think she didn't know the meaning of some of those words she used.
No, there were a lot of contradictions playing out inside her head that her brain was spending all of its subconscious resources trying to resolve in the background.
Henri, I've noticed both of those aspects in most sjws; we all have this problem where we like something and attempt to justify it even without always knowing what we're talking about, and these guys just do that more often because of their over-emotional brains. They also attempt to de-legitimize things they don't like, and certainly you can see some of that playing out here. She also has some contradictions floating around in there too I'm sure, since sjws are often walking examples of projection.
"If it's not about me it's antagonistic..." lol
It looks like the event really got to her.
She is nervous and tired.
I wonder what she will say after she thinks about it for a few weeks.
She did miss the obvious when she said she thought the idea of men's groups is antagonistic.
I mean, the subject IS men's groups, and if she admits that feminist groups are antagonistic, then she might have seen what men have been trying to deal with.
I don't think she has been presented to men's rights issues before. She denies some of them are issues, but with time, she will have to agree that the men's issues are actually issues.
I think she is messed up. Her logic is raising hell with her ideology. She knows on some level that the men are being reasonable, but her programming says different.
I think it's cognitive dissonance.
That's what I mean when I say that I wish we could see her after she thinks about it for a couple of weeks.
She will talk to her girlfriends, and that might make her fall back on simplistic thinking.
I only say that because I doubt her friends know what men's issues are.
Just the fact that men's issues are antagonistic whilst women's issues are a common subject that has only recently meet any resistance which is labeled misogyny is telling.
"I don't know any facts to support my position, but I know the other side has to be wrong because I don't want to believe it."
I need to go wash my brain out by listening to Erin Pizzey.
She wants sooooo badly to find something misogynistic about men supporting each other. It's so sad that young men who need encouraging and uplifting messages get shut down and called things like "woman haters" and "rapists". No wonder 75% of suicides are committed by men....There's nowhere to turn.
stungunfun1 she talks about university being a prelivege space. she's on campus, therefore she's previlige.
She says u go to a men's issues u r on the defensive-- now u know how men it feels for men at feminist meetings. Men don't want your sympathy.
She listed meritocracy as a bad thing. WTF?
And she never once noted the irony of women doing exactly the same thing and everyone praising how brave they are for doing so.
“They used gender as a tool to disproportionately show how men are left out, essentially, from issues that were never defined.”
That is a wonderful statement…people have been saying similar things about feminist arguments for some time, but for some reason they're often attacked for that.
She raises some very good questions about where the information is coming from and how people define issues; due diligence is important. My question is whether or not she applies this same diligence to women’s events and the questions of women’s issues/spaces.
Also, her head count is a bit strange - were people compelled to come? Was it an “invitation only” event? She frames the “only 15% women in attendance” thing as if it’s somehow the event’s fault. Should they have gone and wrangled more women to sit in the audience? It’s great that you ask the question about the audience of an analogous feminist event, Cassie, and her answer about how “men wouldn’t feel very welcome” is extremely telling.
All in all, she seems like an intelligent human being, but one that is uncomfortable with the basic idea of the Men’s Rights movement, not to mention naïve about the political climate that surrounds it.
And it was interesting that she thought that the low number of women attending the meeting signified a problem but that the low attendance rate of men at universities today is of no consequence.
Or, at the very least, "not because of gender." That's apparently more complicated, but the lack of women at the event...isn't.
Glad to see an intelligent comment out here not misunderstanding her.
Ya, she seemed pretty nervous and maybe not entirely sure. From the sounds of it, the event didn't seem particularly good. Maybe not a lot of information that she was looking for.
The headcount was for sure unusual and the ethnic thing too. I think that is the only portion where I feel maybe she was trying to imply something but she never did fully explain. It would have been nice to hear what she thinks of the feminist movement, but she did claim feminist meeting are antagonistic just like the men's rights meetings are. So, my guess is she views feminism in a similar manner to that degree at least.
Good comment. I do not agree with her, but she sure is many levels above the "I hate all men and everything they do is wrong reeeeeeeee" feminists that we've seen in the raw files.
ThatMarchingBunny that she can say with a straight face that other factors weren't considered in citing enrollment as a men's problem and fully back an ideological approach that prattles on about wage disparities and many other supposed women's issues based on statistics which fully ignore other factors or pretend to consider them in ways that turn out to be deceptive or disingenuous upon closer inspection is evidence of a profoundly erroneous and biased outlook. Sad
Did she assume people's gender based on what their head looked like? Hmmmmm
"In terms of a PR campaign, it's not wise to have a men's rights group."
Talk about hunting for offense 🤦🏻♂️ - jesus ... imagine watching the gender flip of this interview ... wild how hypocritical these young ladies can be ...
If anyone was curious what the problem looked like, there you go.
She keeps using the word empowerment. They were talking about men's issues. Too bad she couldn't keep up.
This is what Cassie mentioned in her talk about how she cured herself from Feminism. Before she recovered from it, she was simply unable to hear what people who contradicted Feminist doctrine were saying.
She admits that men would feel or be unwelcome at a feminist event and then has a problem with the lack of women here and worries it might be exclusive?
women defining what men are allowed to do/think....yup..sounds fair
College enrollment is not a gender issue? Yet she goes on to list affirmative action being a factor in college enrollment...now I am a University dropout, so correct me if I am wrong, but I was almost certain that Affirmative Action is policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, which includes race and GENDER. So her statement is contradictory. Her comment on women being the largest demographic of cleaners is also incorrect according to an article posted by the Boston Globe (Source: U.S. Department of Labor) 65.8% of employees in Janitorial and Building Cleaning capacity are Male. This can also lead into discussion as to why women choose lower paying jobs then cry foul when they aren't paid what a man working in Engineering, Nuclear Science or Petroleum Industry is making. She brings up the issue of who will be excluded from the Center but seems to forget how often men are excluded from shelters...there little to nothing in resources/places for men who are battered and abused by partners or who are raped. It seems that the lack of due diligence is actually on the part of this "college student," one would think that if she wanted clarification on issues they brought up that she would ask them or find out where she could get more information on a topic that could be talked about for hours, rather than smashed into a small event on campus. This whole interview was frustrating, she seemed oblivious and unsure of her position...or at least unconvinced of it. I can't stand feminism, feminists are ruining relationships between men and women and ruining it for both in this society. All in all, I am not impressed with the level of "educated students" going to Uni...thank goodness I stopped wasting money and dropped out. She should definitely reexamine her education.
Does anyone have ANY IDEA what she was talking about?!!! I’d like to have an opinion about her opinion but I honestly can’t decipher this gibberish! I know she was speaking English and yet it sounded like another language?
If dogs could talk then this was the equivalent of listening to a drunk canine explain why chasing its own tail is a productive use to time.
Feminism, spoken in proper English, always sounds like the speaker is inebriated or high.
Just as I was about to comment that I would comment, but could not make sense out of a single thing she said, I see you beat me to it.
Lol she used logic and statistics. Hahaha
This video once again illustrates how 'men having issues' is such a foreign concept in our society.
I wonder if she realizes that a lot of what she says could also be said about feminism and women's issues.
Azaracus
At first I wondered if this was a parody. I am astonished at her incredible lack of insight.
Azaracus she did say for some things.... like that feminism is also antagonistic
Isa, touche. I see what you did there. Good point. Well played. Take note, folks.
Otherwise, I totally agree with the mob that the woman in the video proves the point why we need awareness of men's issues equally. We are not the men who are products of another time, mysogynists, who are desparately clinging to the old times when we men held dominion over women and animals and the environment. No, these men's issues are another voice for equality that often doesn't get heard because it is drowned out and not taken seriously.
Isa made a good point about history. History was incredibly unfair to women. Even more unfair than it is for men now. It seems that it should only be right to let women have their turn. But the solution is for equality. NOW, there is much more equality than there ever has been, in America and Europe anyway. We are still sorting things out. There are lots of little things that have been overlooked and it is good that women bring up the issues that still are unfair for them. But if equality is what matters, then men also have to be allowed to have a voice. Men's issues ARE real issues. They are not mysogynist or sexist issues. Homelessness and suicide and broken families are real issues that leave men way behind. We are talking survival here.
Women like to point out that CEOs are disproportionately men. Men are on the top, but men are also on the bottom. Most homeless people are men. Most suicides are men. Most prisoners are men. Men get convicted to longer prison sentences for the same crimes as women. Men lose their children in custody battles by default unless it can be proven that the mother is abusive. Men have to pay alimony to their ex-wives after divorce, even though women are supposed to be equal. Men get drafted to fight and die in wars.
Deep down, we are the same beings inhabiting these gendered bodies. None of us want to be treated unfairly. None of us want to die or suffer without being appreciated. So let the men have their men's center without judgement.
yes, i really hope that she can see the analogy
@Isa
Well, because I think it's neccessary to see that the gender debate, how it is now, is very one sided and antagonistically structured, if you don't realize it looking at current feminism then maybe you realize at the other end and have a chance to take a look in the other direction again.
So frustrating to watch, how pointing out men are having less space in higher education antagonistic? And how far should it go until she thinks it is a gender issue, should it get to 10% enrollment for men, what about 5%, will it then be a gender issue?
I don't know her views on STEM courses, but nowadays it is a hot topic of discussion, everywhere it is being talked about how women enrollment in STEM **must** be increased and that is a gender issue, it goes as far as accusing the whole field of being antagonistic to women. But when it comes to men suddenly it is not a gender problem. At least be consistent.
The truth about the matter is that MRAs don't seem to be assuming that it is necessarily about sexism (when it obviously is). While women in STEM isn't about sexism, but feminists flat out state it is. Women in STEM is a gendered issue, that doesn't mean that it's a patriarchy or sexist issue (It's actually an issue within feminism itself). She is making the assumption that a gendered issue (an issue that disproportionately affects one gender) is the same as sexism (prejudicial treatment based on stereotypes around gender).
The issue of male enrollment in college is already a women's issue because women aren't able to find 'suitable' men of their social 'status' and refuse to marry 'down'. Never mind that we are supposed to be living in a society where a homeless person is the same as a millionaire in the eyes of the law (yes I know we don't actually). Everyone is technically 'equal' in social standing.
P.S. The reason I say women in STEM is an issue within feminism itself is because feminists are teaching young girls that they shouldn't have to think their sh*t through. Being a scientist REQUIRES thinking things through and if girls are being raised not to than they aren't going to do well in STEM fields. ERGO, feminists created the low interest that women have in STEM.
She is a hypocrite. Like the majority of skirts. If it favors them its all good. It's how it should be
You can sense the cognitive dissonance even as she spouts the boilerplate.
@Why Black Well it obviously has its rewards. If you knowtow to the orthodoxy, you'll likely get better jobs, and be allowed to keep the ones you have.
Some serious hypocrisy and mental gymnastics here...
So...She's describing what Feminism often does. Good to know. Smh...
Yah, men’s issues..... but what about women?
Did she really just call out the men’s rights event for not having enough women represented? And not enough women in attendance? Do they really need more triggered women in the crowd looking to downgrade men’s issues? This chick found nothing of any value in the event. Not one positive aspect in any of it. Men don’t have issues. When women were a minority on campus is was a gender discrimination issue but when it’s men, it’s a complicated socio-economic issue.
I think it’s stupid when feminists see something and say, that’s why we need feminism, but this woman and her attitude is why we need men’s rights events.
They cannot stand someone having a legitimate grievance other than themselves. Victimhood is one of their biggest weapons and so they immediately attempt to turn around any topic that might potentially make it clear other groups have issues or they are in fact, not oppressed but oppressors.
Its called controlling the narrative. Even in cases where they cannot justify their blatant misandry they will attempt to bring the other side down to their level - "Yes, but men do it too"! If they cannot win, they will go to lengths to ensure at least the other side will remain vilified as well.
These women never get into the actual issues men have, they try to stop the discussion before it even begins. I’d say in general the group who is actively against the rights of others would be considered the oppressors.
I can't figure out if I should give her a thumbs down or a thumbs up for Cassie Jaye.
A thumbs up for Cassie, she did all these interviews and cut out the chaff for the documentary.
Evidently she rightly assumed that this was useless as she's basically a student saying the same things as the insanely biased academics she interviewed in the documentary, and likely got those views from said academics, or others like them.
Why show the dilute form of the arguments when you can show the 'pure' source of them.
And women dont use there gender as a tool ,and she said idont belive men should have a space for men only ,but women must have it 100% . Makes me laugh
She's an arogant imbecil
Listening to her nonsense is why men need their own spaces. Educated foolery. This is so cringe.
"Men's issues don't invite sympathy," paraphrasing her at the end.
I ask then. And why would women feel sympathy for men?
John Rew, a fellow youtube user, provides the best answer to my question:
"I believe there is a deep seated imperative to stand back and not help males particularly in women. Why would a woman be evolutionarily predisposed to helping adult males ? It would get in the way of mate selection."
We all agree to be a man is to stand alone on some level.
That statement stood our for me as well. Every male knows that there is no sympathy for men. No male would attempt to garner it and boys learn that lesson before they are age 10.
Dr. Warren Farrel said it wonderfully: If our survival depends on the willingness of our sons to sacrifice themselves, then that means that sympathy for men collides with our survival instinct.
Kiff Thanks for sharing. There are some really deep and depressing insights (depressing because they are uncomfortable and true) about human nature and the human condition coming from MRA and MGTOW thinkers who are mostly ignored. That insight from Dr. Farrell is one the deepest and most depressing I've come across. Meanwhile, Feminism dominates politics and Slavoj Zizek is considered the world's greatest philosopher. Such is the world.
I think courage (the willingness to sacrifice oneself) is essentially a male virtue. It's what gets things done. Especially, great things. Without it nothing great would ever be achieved. Nassim Nicholas Taleb has a great insight on courage. It goes something like this, paraphrasing: "the price of signalling courage is so high that whenever you see it you just know you're looking at the real thing. There's no way to signal it without risking paying it's price. Courage cannot be faked."
It's true, men aren't going to get help, support or sympathy from the vast majority of women or the population at large. Only way this is going to get off the ground is if we do it regardless of fucks given or not. Civilization did not stand up with womens help and they're not going to aid in its repair
Ministry of Truth How about gratitude and appreciation...perhaps some respect and acknowledgement for the sacrifice and dedication men give...to recieve none of this makes any effort worthless.
Did this girl not get the fact this was a conference about MALE issues!?
Ry No Agreed... However, I see her more as misguided soul than as flat out advocating against men in general. She has a slew of contradictions and the only notes she took were about the proportionality of women attendees.... But at least she's not foaming at the mouth in her hatred against men. She did take down some websites. Hopefully, she gets red pilled sometime in the future. She seems a lot more chill than some of the feminists on UA-cam. She even refused to state that she is (well her admission is rather implicit).
When I listen to these rebuttals, and you hear them all the time, I think the real problem is that it really doesn't matter how women feel about MRAs.
At some point the problem with these statistics is going to get to a point where they will fall off a cliff. There seems to be a general lack of concern with the prospect of say, perhaps men's enrolment in University falling to 10%.
That is not going to be without consequences for women, and there is just this sort of vacuous opinion in general from women that ignores any negative male statistic as not something women have to worry about.
I worry that our Western society will become so unfriendly to such a large majority of men, that they no longer wish to support it.
"I worry that our Western society will become so unfriendly to such a large majority of men, that they no longer wish to support it." Good point, and it seems to be already happening, particularly with the young guys who are just being completely turned off by western feminists and the society they are creating. Looks like the slow collapse of a civilization to me, as there are going to be millions of men who are not going to contribute much in the upcoming decades. Why should they? There is little in it for them. Like the millions already there, they will be taking from society and not producing for it. Sad state of affairs for western society.
And what happens then? Either we believe in a future of both genders working in concert and cooperation, or we don't. Paying radical lip service to the idea of feminizing males and thereby solving the problem strikes me as more of a 1940's Aryan mindset, than anything humanly possible. Yes, just that dark and ugly.
Learning how to hate and calling that an education has become the sublime rip-off of the century. (This one and the last one). Instead of it being laughed out of town it is embraced by all our institutional powerhouses. (Which the haters were indeed, smart enough to court.)
Men are, of course, not accoutrements, accessories, projects or fictional characters. They are just as completely human as......the other half. No more, no less.
That there should even have to be MRA is a complete abomination of the body politic. But there it is. Personally, I applaud women smart and courageous enough to speak out on this issue, especially recognizing the fact that they can say many more things with impunity that men can't anymore.
Which strikes me as odd, on the part of those cancel culturalists. This "enemy" that they create....yet the fools don't care to know what this fabricated enemy is thinking. (thinking that they already know, of course.)
"I think it is good, from a PR perspective, not to call men's issues 'men's right's'." Seriously, they can't even see their gender bias. It is hilarious the mental gymnastics these people have.
"They talked about boy suicide rates, and divorce and custody, but never really explained what issues men were facing." Seriously?!
I don't think she spoke a single word that was her own.
I remember you from the mgtow forums. Good to see you are still around brother :).
Yeah, still kicking around.
feminist group think.
KAKAdemics in its finest. Good, i see people see it. i can go to sleep with a smile now.
I am not sure she did say anything
I am sorry but it just seemed to me that this woman complained about men using the exact same arguments that women's groups use for themselves. wow.
jggibson65a 100%. Women do not like looking into the mirror and seeing themselves looking back, that's why they wear makeup, to hide the truth, lol.
I've seen this tiresome tactic lately ever since the MRAs became known to the public. They were labeled the other side of the feminist coin and said to be closet misogynists and advocates against women rights.
When women can no longer be logically defended, society's response is to knock the men down on the other side of the conflict in order to 'equalize' the situation. So it ends up being 'Radical feminists have their problems too, but MRAs are no better'. Which of course is a blatant lie.
What's extremely saddening is that the so-called rationalwiki has fallen to this line of thinking and every feminist article is very supportive while MRAs, MGTOWs and any men protesting women's privilege is labeled a conservative that wants women back in the kitchen as a slave.
Only 3 women cared enough to come, so that means the topic is invalid. I honestly cant believe she thought that was a valid point to make. Unreal. Its a Men's Rights discussion, why do you care how many women are there? Why does a low number of women present invalidate the cause?
Robert Lee I prefer less women when it comes to important issues....or any issues really. Sad that the only way the world listens is when it's filtered through a woman. But I've won, I keep them all as far away as possible. Never has a woman enriched my life, beyond a little bit of shaft lubrication.
Yeah, you nailed my point. We dont need a large number of women to be present to validate mens issues. WE determine what our issues are, and which ones are valid. As you said, we dont need our issues filtered through women. The fact this girl sees the world that way, just shows how much entitlement and power they truly have.
Women in reality draw their power from a combination of victimhood, neoteny and worship of motherhood (womb). So even though they are far more valuable in society eyes and considered above the status of men, they cannot openly flaunt this as they must continue to peddle the act that they are, in fact, oppressed.
This is why you get nonsense like 'herstory' in which women tend to vastly inflate or lie about their perceived hardships in the past. Such is very effective in gaining sympathy. No mention that aside from childbirth (which is biological, and something MEN have more or less solved with technological advancement) men had it objectively worse with far higher deathrates, horrible working conditions, no ability to shift blame, no perks provided by society simply for being born with a penis, etc.
Women do not empathise with men. There was no empathy in her eyes. Go your own way, men.
"Well, there was no definition of what a men's issue was..."
Goes on to list the issues that were brought up.
She had to walk miles and minutes at a time thru the empty halls of her mind between answers.
Jinn Bottle. Nicely put and a great observation. That's exactly what she was doing. Instead of actually thinking and feeling she was doing a mental excercise in justifying what she has been taught. Sympathy for high suicide rates were brushed aside for sophistry.
This girl seems very, very confused, maybe she is nervous, or hopefuly, something was shaked in her head
I think she was also trying to be very careful with her words but it doesn't seem like she had any substantive complaints
Projection personified
Cognitive Dissonance: The Movie
yep def a future cat lady
*Poor cats!!*
Men's enrollment down to 33% is not a problem. Maybe flip that and ask yourself it would be problematic if women's enrollment dropped to 33%? Of course there would be outrage!
This is why Mgtow was born. She is a feminist by her actions.
She's the product of 50 years of 2nd & 3rd wave feminist socialization.
She is saying "there is no real gender issues." Check your feminism!!!
All women are selfish and feel entitled to stuff from other people. All women are feminists. Feminism is just what happens when you give women a voice in the political arena.
RIGHT!!! She isn't claiming to be a feminist because it's a 'dirty word'. No morals, no loyalty no principles. AWALT.
Nick Smith ever since going MGTOW my life is much more enjoyable than ever before. No female bs to HAVE to deal with in relationships again. No need for female validation, no need to DO what I don't care to, simply to make her happy, and no need to answer any stupid questions to satisfy HER insecurities. Peace and tranquility is the life we have without women in them. Unless your just a pathetic loser looking for a mommy to define what and who you should be as a man MGTOW in today's world is the logical answer.
1:10 Sarah: "I thought custody was brought up a lot".
Translation: Men do not have my permission to talk about custody THAT much. I, Sarah The Magnificent, will decide how much is too much...and then inform you of my decree.
Troy Dunn Almost as if the men loved their children and resented a crooked system and ignoble single mom exes who use their children as weapons and income sources for themselves....so weird that the men would talk so much about something so peripheral to a meaningful life!! She needs to Rent a clue on that one
It's almost as if custody were some kind of gendered issue that women are unable to grasp because of some kind of privilege they enjoy in this area
Isa join the respect and empathy for your fellow humans movement.
Isa I'm not the one callously dictating to a fellow person what level of access they should have to their children. If you are honest with yourself you know that you wouldn't have presumed to judge a woman's mental health and then used it as a flimsy justification for refusing her custody or even unsupervised access to her children. EDIT : you come across as bigoted.
Isa could you please show me a comment you have made similar to the one you made here but directed at a female.
Incoherent rambling, stumbling from one topic to another.
LR Disco as always. It’s like a deflection tactic. You end up so tangled up, trying to figure out where they are going with their “ideas” that you walk away.
14:30 "You know what I should have done? I should have taken account of the ethnic make-up of the room. That would have been interesting as well." Why? Because men's issues aren't relevant if the men aren't ethnically diverse? Why can't people just live and let live? Ugh, it's nauseating.
The title for this particular interview should be “Intersectionality Gone Wild!”
Jesus you can see the cogs whirring making sure she doesnt say anything against feminist orthadoxy.
Yeah, I noticed she was picking her words VERY carefully. I found it so painful to watch, I didn't make it to the 5 minute mark.
she clearly isn't an orthodox feminist, and picking words carefully can often be a sign of being careful and considerate and wanting to articulate yourself properly. She was also being interviewed straight after the experience, so it's not like she'd had time to fully process all of her thoughts and feelings. It might help, if we want men's issues to be taken more seriously, to be kinder and considerate to the perceived 'opponents', so that when they claim we're hateful etc.etc. there's no evidence of that. I worry parts of this men's rights thing are just as much of an oblivious knee-jerk victimhood group as they rightly declare feminism to be.
I had to play the video at 2x speed just to make sure I was awake as each word was finally uttered
How is pointing out low enrollment numbers NOT OUTLINING any MEN'S ISSUES?
“I just watched a documentary about men’s issues and they literally spent the whole time not talking about women! So crazy, right?”
17:00 "The reason security guards are here, I think that's entirely warranted."
A universal observation: when a woman is losing an argument, she makes a conspicuous display of feeling physically threatened.
As happy as I am that Cassie and company covered this, I had to stop watching this before my head exploded... 🙄
dont worry darling, women win the victim Olympics every time
I love how she takes great offense at the student's attempt to reproach her for exercising her freedom of speech, when she only came to the event to shut down their right to freedom of speech, by demonizing their message as "antagonistic."
I mean, you can't make this shit up.
You need to pay more attention. She never said that.
She even claimed feminist events come off as antagonsitc and she isn't wrong about that. This is why feminsim seems antagonistic towards men, and when men's rights seems antagnoistic towards women, and why black lives matter seems antagonistic towards whites, and why all lives matter seems antagonistic towards blacks. That's just the reality of the situation.
She took offense that the house rules suggested protests were not allowed as that is against free speech. She also never said she was there to even protest, so you seriously need to clean out your ears. You are behaving like a feminist hearing shit that wasn't said.
All I hear from her is "we can't control it so we shouldn't have this". That's insanity.
_She does a head count of the event, she compares this to the enrollment numbers provided by the speaker. Her conclusion was that there should've been more women at this event._ This is EXACTLY the same logic Marxism uses to leap from evidence of disparity DIRECTLY to "well there must have been some sort of injustice perpetrated" and ALWAYS oblivious to the simple alternative: people's interests differ, and people make different choices.
If all the derivatives of Marxism could JUST wrap their heads around the concept of the individual's capacity for choice making, so much of this nonsense would be completely avoided.
This girl is absolutely detached from reality and made zero sense. So disappointing.
She was too busy doing a head count to listen to the speakers.
She didn't even remember their names, except for the guy who did the intro (whom she probably knew already).