Interesting fact I noticed; Ridley Scott says the "black goo" is Pandora's box. The famous "Pandora's box" is a mistranslation from the original Mycenaean - it's actually "Pandora's Jar", jars that would look much like the ones used to contain the "black goo"
I really wish we got to see Ridleys true sequel to Prometheus. I know a lot didnt enjoy the film but i really enjoyed the lore of Prometheus and its a shame we didn't get to see his real vision of what the sequel should have been.
There was a translation of the Engineer writings on the walls, saying that the mural of the alien was a deacon that they worshiped. Engineers were a dying race, who lost the ability to procreate, and then comes along this being that bursts out of one of their own after they were impregnated by some creature. So, they used it's blood to create new races at other planets to propagate their DNA. And comes back to check on them every few hundred years to check if they were on the right path (their way of life). There was too much war, so they took one child back to eden and educated him before sending him back. But when the human they sent to guide the mankind was crucified, they wanted to wipe humanity out, thinking it was a lost cause. However, they stopped their plans when humans started a new religion around the child they sent to educate others. And the reason the Prometheus Engineer got so angry was because of Weyland, who showed that the humans still had not changed from their destructive, selfish ways. So, what are your thoughts on this?
DawnOfAngel so basically Jesus was a student to the engineers and we’re supposed to be the result of selective breeding between the engineers and the aliens? That’s some hardcore shit.
No no wait a minute..(no offence intended..all friendly banter..) the Engineers couldn’t carry out their plans because things went tits up when there was an outbreak on LV 223. (All those Engineer bodies in Prometheus?) Also (taking the piss here, can't resist) if humans are the result of selective breeding involving butt-fuck ugly Xenos..? Think of the most beautiful bikini model and try to reconcile her to that idea.. The Engineers i can still except because there are Engineer women in Alien Covenant. But xenos? How the hell could anything coming from a xeno have resulted in the divine Eve? EVEN ADAM..since in the bible Eve was taken from Adam..(if i take it correctly your idea is based on the bible account of creation and Jesus role) but still..Christ..the human form in its perfect state, male or female is beautiful..but Xenos?? Godamm..😂😂😂..we would surely all look like a cross between Keith Richards and a brick shit-house. But respect..its all good fun and speculation.
Doesn’t make sense that they just changed their mind because they started a religion. It makes more sense that they were going to go through with wiping humans out but before they left there was a containment breach. The reason the engineer was pissed at weyland was because they are supposed to be dead not sitting on the engineers doorstep, so he tried to complete the mission.
Just 2 notes they don't change their mind, they where going to distroy earth then got infected, the one they find in the sleep pod has been there for 2000 years. Also the deacon was not created by the engineers they despise violent creatures, in the extended cut dialog from the scene where the engineer drinks the goo we learn this is blood of the deacon and they are running out of it and trying to replicate it, however the creatures that this goo generate are violent and mindless. So the deacon is supposed to be similar in appearance to the xenomorph but inteligent and superior. At least that's what I get from the cut content. I'd really like to get a movie or TV show or even a book to tell this property
That was literally the biggest setup from the end of Prometheus and I was SO excited to see that happen in Convenant… (mainly for her find the answer to her question of why the engineers were determined to eradicate humans on earth) only to find that Shaw didn’t even make it to the start of Covenant, and they completely abandon that question
Shaw couldn't explore anything cause she's human, 30 years old and has an expire date. Especially after long space travel. It's obvious why they went with David who on the other side won't die and he can wander the universe for millions of years. He's synthetic so Xenos wouldn't attack him and he has a knowledge to RE- CREATE a perfect organism.
Wise Guy4U you have a crush on Michael fassbender , so much so that you would pay to watch a shitty 2 hour movie just to see his face. It’s ok it be gay.
It was supposed to be "Alien - Awakening" but Covenant did so bad (box office-wise) that the movie has been cancelled (before even being started) from what I hear..
Forget about the story and the plot... i think its bcause how versatile of an actor Michael fassbender is...nd how dark the character of David can get... For me...David is the most interesting character in both the films.. agree or not
Caught it, I was hoping it was a joke. But he dismissed the lack of protective gear or general precaution as "hurr durr, you know it's a horror, they don't.". And the first point, about the storm starting after they land, is a flat out fabrication. The storm was always there, it just got a lot worse after they landed. The first two baby aliens were bullet proof but the captain kills it when it's fully grown, with two or three shots? Following the robot, that you don't trust, down into its secret cave of experiments then sticking your face into a pod that's moving? Not performing tests on the guy that had a parasitic alien melt his face off to see if he was infected? The computer only recognising one alien life-form on board the ship (David wouldn't be recognised, neither would the 2 alien embryos in his stomach). And many more gaffs that must happen, despite their absurdity, to move the story forward. It was a well made film with a weak plot.
Dallas: Okay, Ripley, we're clean. Let us in. Ripley: What happened to Kane? Dallas: Something's attached itself to him. We have to get him to the infirmary right away. Ripley: What kind of thing? I need a clear definition. Dallas: An organism. Open the hatch! Ripley: Wait a minute. We let it in, the ship could be infected. You know the quarantine procedures: 24 hours for decontamination. Dallas: He could die in 24 hours! Open the hatch. Ripley: Listen to me. If we break quarantine, we could all die. Alien was a smarter movie than Alien Covenant
and they were space truckers, not cientists , soldiers or colonists, they didnt expect to find a planet that could sustain life, the covenant guys could just find a space mosquitoe carrying space malaria and die, even if the air was safe
I actually really enjoyed Covenant, but would have loved to see what he had originally intended. Also sad that we're not getting a third film to tie it all up. Really wanted to see what David ended up doing, because he was so scary, and such a great villain!
Yeah for real. I also wanted to see David’s fate. What happens to him exactly. They need to pull some resources together and just make it happen. People will still go see it. That’s for sure. They just need a good cast and a badass director.
@@Toocoolforschool573 this is something in Romulus that connects to these prequels (I won't spoil it though). I hope that it is successful at the box office so that Ridley might get a chance to finish the David story.
I still want another Alien's movie. I want it made by the only man that can resurrect the franchise. JAMES CAMERON! He was the only person that could not only make an incredible sequel but better than the original movie. He then made another sequel for Terminator that was better than the original. I don't care what it costs pay James Cameron to give us one final great Aliens movie!
And the question regarding space helmets is not answered by "because Star Trek". And the question regarding sensors is not answered by "because Star Trek and fake corporate sensor ad from movie". This franchise is not Star Trek and we expect a higher sense of science and intellect to be applied. If the sensors did not inform them of natural fauna on the planet, they failed. And if the sensors did not pick up non-natural alien life forms, they failed. And if the crew used the sensors to completely deviate from mission, they failed.
@@dude_8434 yeah, those ion storms just love pulling people into the separate incarnations of their inner psyche by way of teleporter malfunction. And of course, you never want to beam up with someone you don't get along with during an ion storm, because that's the leading cause of Science Fiction Freaky Fridays, and who has time to walk a mile in someone else's shoes?! We got Aliens to deal with!
Yes. Because ion storms are actually a very real occurrence that affects communications and electrical systems right here on earth and space. This is not science fiction, it's real science. On Earth these storms have caused communication losses and blackouts as well as aurora in places not usually seen. The worst one on record happened in 1859. Scientists have said if one of that magnitude happened today it would cause trillions of dollars in damage to our satellite infrastructure and cause massive blackouts that could last months. Fortunately comparatively to places like like LV 223 our atmosphere and sun are much more stable.
These films aren't trying to remake the earlier ones. They are full of deep ideas and are exploring various themes. The storytelling is more complex, but they make you think, as not everything is handed to you on a plate. I really hope this trilogy is concluded.
The other films, specifically Alien and Aliens, didn't hand everything on a plate either. Yet they are leagues ahead of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.
All of that is what fucks them up and none of it it rrally true either. Why include xenomorphs at all then? Has it occured to you these films are just trash?
I'll help he says " we didn't want to do this, but we ended up anyway". "We didn't want aliens, but people did". So basically it's like the opposite of what you said.
I find your explanation of the Captain's action with the egg to be insufficient. Moments before he was given a tour by david, he had witnessed David's total disregard for human life. The Neomorph was chowing down on a human and the captain witnessed David communicating with it. He also noticed that David gave no shits whatsoever about the fact that it just ate someone and the captain was ready to shoot him on the spot. After seeing David's little shop of horrors, any reasonable person would have known that this David 8 model could not and should not be trusted. It really didn't make sense for the captain to trust David's word when it came to the egg. It really was stupid. Granted I really like this movie, but that scene with the captain in the egg is absolutely moronic.
In the Alien universe, Androids are programmed to not harm humans, and in a deleted scene Orem asked Walter if David was dangerous and Walter replied "disturbed". Orem's "trust" in David was built on these two facts. I get where you are coming from, but Orem does not know David the way we do and does not see Androids the way we do. From his perspective, the idea that an android would kill him or bring harm to him was near impossible because a toaster toasts, you don't expect it to bludgeon you to death David was a toaster to the crew of the Covenant, and they could not comprehend his development of independence or personal agendas.
Apparently the novelization of the movie explains it better, with David having managed to get Orem with a narcotic, thus dulling his senses and making him more trusting, but that was the book, not the movie...
I'm sorry I laughed at the whole "David I met the devil as a boy so your going to tell me blah blah ablah, I can't see the devil in front of me I'm going to follow you into a dark room alone dumbassary." First thought I had at that seen was, It trusted me. Bitch she trusted you too now their both dead. Bang. Dead robot."
"Oram hasn't seen an Alien film so he doesn't know what is inside the egg" But he HAS seen a lot of his team killed in the most graphic bloody way by a number of extremely aggressive intelligent and efficient killing machines. He HAS just seen David show no emotion to another crew members head floating in a sink. He HAS seen a host of gruesome biological experiments/autopsies in David's study and he has no idea who David is or how dangerous or crazy he might be. He HAS seen literally thousands of charred bodies littering the city. Oram shows no judgement or even any self preservation skills. Kane was an adventurer not a captain, that's why he is seen champing at the bit to be in the away team. Also at the point of looking in that egg there had been no indication that there was any real danger. The place was essentially as dead as a cemetery, no piles of humanlike bodies, no vicious aliens, no dead crewmates cluttering up he place, no blown up spacecraft. Comparing Kane to Oram without considering what happened to them both immediately prior to looking in that egg is a specious argument.
I know your post is old, but I agree with you 100% nonetheless. Great post. Kane was a miner, just like everyone else on the Nostromos. The crew of the Prometheus was supposed to be scientists, you'd think they would know better.
Oram was most likely drugged by David, which is hinted in a deleted scene, because in the scene that follows the DS, Oram is acting a little out of it and not as focused as he was when he pointed his weapon at David.
Oram knows not David, as far as he should know, David its an android without emotions and programed to obey and not harm humans, and not, wallter knows that the model had change and why, but the more likely thing is that the general public didn't even know the issues with the original model
Oram was never captain material and wasn’t confident in his ability from the start. He’s never portrayed as particularly smart or spectacular in any way.
A lot of your arguments are based on content outside the movie (The crossing, Ridley interviews, the wayland promo site, etc). The frustration most people have is these things should of been addressed to some level in the movie.
Why? I mean it accepted that they're carrying terraforming gear - why should you be explained how they know that the atmosphere is safe? As with the interviews; Twin Perfect is simply explaining it too you and using RS's interviews to support his claims. I think that most people feel disappointed by the movie because they have all these preconceived notions about what it either has to be or not be - horror vs not horror, intellectual vs action. I think they either wanted a rehash(not remake) of the first Alien movie or they wanted something very tangible and not filled with allegories and metaphors.
I have to say - I agree. Stuff that was taken out of the movies was taken out simply becasue Scott didn't feel they were right - _not_ becasue they were the answers everyone's seeking and Scott thought he'd simply hide them, 'cos he's like that. Classic example - the deleted scene right at the beginning of Prometheus where the other Engineers originally accompanied the one who sacrifices himself. Scott realised only _after_ filming that the Engineers were being depicted incorrectly: they're supposed to be the very pinnacle of humanoid evolution - the absolute apex. As such it became obvious - were this in practice the case - what you'd in have is a mono-gendered species, other than in terms of age, more or less indistinguishable to each other. There'd be no variation on account how all of them are all equally perfect, there's only one way for them to go - they ALL look like Michelangelo's statue of David on steroids and approximately built to similar scale. In the original scene they were simply too varied. And it goes on. Those cut scenes were cut becasue Scott felt they were wrong. It does absolutely no good pulling shit that isn't in the movie into it and making out _that's_ the story Ridly's telling. Every man and his pet neomorph doing these "I-can-explain-it-all, really-I-can" video's are doing exactly the same crap. Watch the films. That's all anyone's got to do. Watch the films and stop expecting them to be rehashes of every other alien film anyone made since _Aliens_ on - those aren't the films Ridley Scott's interested in making. They've been done already and mostly they were crap, Aliens not withstanding - a very good film, but still - NOT the movie Scot would have made had he been making the squeal. These current films _are_.
scott should have just made the movie he wanted, what is the point of planing two movies, and throwing away all the planning? dont make any movie them, it is better than making bad movies, ops i forgot they still got the money
I always thought the “stupidity” of the characters in Prometheus and Covenant was just meant to be exaggerated allegories of the worst aspects of humanity. It always seems to be saying to the audience that, when faced with external threats, humanity’s downfall will come from it’s own shortcomings before anything else.
That's a great way to look at it. The "stupidity" of the characters didn't bug me at all, and I guess I picked up on it subconsciously - it's a running theme in slasher movies, with the victims tending to be exaggerated allegories in much the same way, and for much the same reason. Which makes sense, in a way: 'Alien' itself was, after all, an early slasher movie at heart, with a bizarre, alien "slasher" killing off the crew members one by one. (One of the alternate titles for 'Alien' alludes to this: 'The Eighth Passenger' - we've got a crew of space-truckers on a long, dark stretch of lonely interstellar highway, picking up a deadly hitch-hiker....)
@@pietrayday9915well, not quite. The presence of Ash, and the twist of the company directing mother to divert and collect a sample (with Ash losing his gd mind) made the whole thing a bit deeper.
Exploring an alien world with no bio-suite is just stupid,, as the movie clearly depicts. Good writers don't need to strain common sense to create horror scenarios.
Covenant seemed like a HUGE wasted opportunity. I was, and still am, a fan of Prometheus. It was beautifully shot and I liked Shaw despite the way she and (everyone else) was written. It expanded upon the Alien universe without narrowing it down too much. Unanswered questions can build mystique. Unfortunately, Covenant, attempting to "fix" what Prometheus laid down, actually threw most of what made it compelling under the bus, then backed over it again and again.
Actually, the idea of David (a human-made android) being the source of the genesis of the xenomorphs makes a kind of sense for me: In the extra footage features of the DVD, it is revealed that David was in communication with the company. He was telling them what he was doing and they approved. The idea that the one thing that brought about the existence of such a monstrous and dangerous creature was corporate greed, makes perfect sense to me.
I didnt like it because it completely shrinks the universe. A lot of the awe the original alien film had was seeing a being so foreign and strange where there wasnt much of a reference point in real life to work with to effectively describe it. To make the xenomorph the product of a rogue android (a human creation) makes the xenomorph less "alien" so to speak. It Completely defeats what made it so terrifying/awe inspring in the first place.
@@MrIndiemusic101the way I think they are going with this is yea nature can create the most terrifying creatures out in the universe but nature is flawed, whereas you can take the xenomorphs and enhance and improve their design to suit your purposes more. The prequels are answering questions on the evolution of the xenomorphs, where the space jockeys and/or engineers came from, etc. TLDR; it’s the product of nature, the engineers, and a synthetic who is a creative thinker and a genius with superhuman intelligence (David.)
If you're going to throw mud at StarTrek Awayteams... ask instead why its always Bridge- and Flag officers going down, rather than specialized recon teams.
@michael mcpeek They would have to think of a more intelligent way to infect the first person. But since there was already "protomorphs" running around the whole episode was actually pointless to the over all plot anyway.
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yeah the amount of handwavey bullshit in this video really puts me off
Yeah...definitely one of the most ridiculous defenses of why they didn't wear helmets in Alien Covenant I have ever seen. I never realized that the Alien franchise and Star Trek shared a cinematic universe. And who said that no one ever questioned the fact that Star Trek characters didn't wear helmets when they investigated alien worlds? I always found that to be somewhat problematic. But I think michael mcpeek said it best: If the characters had worn helmets, the plot of the film would have been compromised, and then there would have been no Alien Covenant movie (damn them I say...damn them to Hell for not wearing those freakin' helmets).
On top of it all.. they do wear suits and use decontamination procedures in Star Trek.. In Star Trek enterprise (technologically before beaming technology) they use it all the time. In later ships, they have bio filters on the beaming technology that filters the baddies away.
i'm not sure how better off they would have been. they'd have to deal with omicronians. what ever you do, just DONT INTERRUPT "SINGLE FEMALE LAWYER" TIME!!!
My biggest problem with Covenant is that it feels like they've jumped an entire movie. There's so much cut and left out that it takes research to figure out all the details that should just be given IN THE MOVIE. But they don't because they obviously cut corners writing the script. Whatever happened to "show, don't tell"? They could have just used actual scanning devices to show what THEY know about the planet, to let US know that THEY know. Small things like that would have made a big difference for the viewer. Still going to hate the fact that the most important character from Prometheus was completely cut out from the story with pretty much just a glance at her defiled body. They could have made an entire freaking movie about just Shaw and David travelling through space in that engineer spaceship - that would have been so much better.
Omg YES! I made a similar comment on another video about Covenant. This movie rushed so many things that I felt would have been better shown to us, rather than told or even flashbacked. Looking at Shaw's defiled body while we are only left to assume and speculate what happened to her really pissed me off since i was expecting a prequel saga featuring that character. I really wanted covenant to continue where Prometheus left off, exploring new worlds and finding out more about the engineers. Heck even the scene where David annihilates a whole race could have been included in a movie where we get to see the events leading up to that resolution, rather than some "aha surprise! Look how evil he is!" Flashback. What happened in covenant looks like things that should have happened at the end of the original Prometheus prequel trilogy the Ridley Scott originally planned on doing, then leading into the plot of earlier Alien films.
And the most important part, this prequel series could have been it's own thing set in the Alien universe where we get to see more diverse creatures and different variations of the xenomorph evolution leading up to it's original(final) form, rather than just David's dissection showroom (although I thought that was some pretty neat scenery). What we got instead was basically just another Alien movie with different characters who primarily function as beast fodder, rather than the Prometheus sequel I was expecting to see.
@Bobo Boy That is so disappointing!! I'm sure that if he just went through with the original plan this prequel trilogy could've gone down in film history... Maybe unpopular opinion, but I considered Prometheus to be a masterpiece, as slow paced and "boring" as other people found it. But it provided beautiful scenery, different alien species, a heroine who's travels to new worlds I was looking forward to following for the next few films and her unlikely sidekick. But they trashed it just to make an Alien remake basically. Ok if I had not seen Prometheus, I probably wouldn't mind Covenant as much, but they literally introduce so much mystery, plot and story possibilities at the end of Prometheus, and decide to just skip all of it for a generic blood bath creature feature where the entire cast serves no purpose aside from being beast fodder?!! Zoom past all the mystery and discovery straight to "Welp the robot did it and this is what we've got now!".
@@alexandregrand-pierre1981 David didnt need no more answers he was ready to play God he needed to cut out the equations to make the ultimate killing machine
@@alexandregrand-pierre1981 Prometheus was the best in my eyes he should of done it his way and kept the story slow to make more sense than him skipping along and laying clues around here and there to try to make us add up all the pieces
I find the argument that because "x movie is a horror movie, so we should expect people to make poor decisions" to be a horrible argument. A good writer would endeavor to create a plot where threat and risks are sophisticated enough not to force the characters into being woefully inept for the purpose of creating drama. The idea that this cannot be done betrays a lack of imagination and intellect on part of whoever makes the argument. The spacesuit/helmet argument is a perfect example of this. Even if everyone wore helmets all the time, it shouldn't be super difficult to have a character get into a situation where the glass on the helmet cracks or whatever. More to the point of the video: In Star Trek nobody wears helmets because Star Trek shows an extremely advanced humanity that has the scanning and medical equipment to deal with pretty much any disease or airborn pathogen imaginable. This is not true for the Alien universe as should be apparent since the scanners fail to detect things in ways inconsistent with the promo material, and while I think this critique holds true for the older Alien movies as well, the idea of breathing in the air on a foreign planet before extensive research has been done on the bacteria and viruses possibly present, is a really, really big stretch. (Also dude, when you have to reference external material to make sense of issues in the plot of a work you've already lost. A good story should work on its own without bandaids from supplementary material) It is bad writing. You don't get to brush that aside by saying "lol, it's horror man, whatever." The only thing such a response says is that you think it's okay for horror movies to be poorly written because they generally are, which I mean... Okay? You're free to think that, but the fact of poor writing remains regardless.
Oram explanation was terrible- Oram had him at gun point and stated David was the devil, why all of a sudden trust him when Oram already knew David created the Alien and had it kill orams shipmates
To my understanding David's reaction of nonchalantly being like, "all right I'll tell you what's going on" caught him off-guard, and he wasn't really sure what to think. Also at that point Oram didn't know that he "created" the alien, he just knew that the alien had killed one of his crew, David and the alien (neomorph i guess?) were just staring at each other for a minute. After that scene is when David shows him his biology room and shows him the Alien stuff. So I don't think he "trusted" him per say, he just had no idea what was going on an was trying to understand, and David was telling him stuff.
@@Way2MuchFlava Not mention that if Oram shot David, either David evades the shot or he just powers through the gun. David got his head ripped off from his body by an Engineer and was still functioning. So I'm pretty sure he would've still functioned even if Oram fired.
To be fair, it wasn't exactly "Jaws" when it came out. Hence why it's called a "classic" and not a "blockbuster". So yeah, A "B movie" is definitely more accurate than saying "Big Hit" Let me put it another way. There are no photos of giant queues of people going to watch this film, unlike Star Wars. But a B Movie does not equate to a "Second Rate film". It's more to do with the production costs, and the priority given to them film at initial screening.
@@RogueBoyScout Aliens was a massive success when it debuted. It was on the cover of Time magazine and the NYT reported on long lines even on weekdays. It was the 7th highest grossing film of the year in the United States and 3rd or 4th globally for 1986. This was the same year that saw Top Gun, Karate Kid II, Star Trek IV and Platoon premiere. The film was nominated for 7 Academy Awards, including Weaver for best actress (and golden globe) which was unheard of for the genre then and won 2 awards for sound effects editing and visual effects. Not to mention the long lasting effects Aliens had on the genre, women in action movies and it’s impact on filmmaking, film scores and so on. It’s routinely agreed upon to be in the top films of all time discussion, best sequels and best sci fi film. It was immensely popular when it debuted and it has grown in popularity and appreciation since then. Not bad for a “B Movie”.
@@samsonsliteye B movie refers to a second film in the theater. You would have higher budget A films with more star power and then a second film with less fanfare behind it. It is much like when you bought a mysic single with it's A and B side.
@Milena Shvedova ignorance is bliss, time fissures the mentally ill so enjoy it while it's a nice dream, and nah that year of the devil shit is nuts, I was moreso referring to the non binary part
Nope youre wrong about that. The story goes, that all the evils were let out of the pandora box, except one. Hopelessness. Hopelessness was the mother of all evils because without hope, all seems lost.
According to one theory, hope was the worst thing in Pandora's box (jar). It remained inside the box. Did this mean it is possessed by man or locked away from mankind? The ambiguity being key here. Is it worse to have hope or to not have any hope? The answer is subjective.
Uh yea.. no. Them not wearing helmets in Star Trek is stupid af too and it's not it being a horror movie that prompted people to point out how ridiculous that is.. it's the complete lack of scientific process or even common sense in exposing your respiratory system to an alien atmosphere
Then their dealing with a hostile predator? Also how do you know it would take them years? If this movies not trying to to present itself as a dumb horror flick then audiences wont treat as such.
Hmmm very insteresting Tell me about the lack of realism in a series about people and aliens going around planets and finding other civilizations and banging the aliens too. I am pretty sure realism is the purpose of it.
Not talking about truly safe, but where life is present bacterias also present (not talking about the bioweapon). It is almost sure that there are life forms deadly to foreign spaces just like on earth. I wouldnt take a step outside without hazard suits at least. Our immune system is capable of defeating hundreds of deceases by memory but even a common cold (like decease) from an alien planet is deadly to humans.
They could have just removed the Alien title and Xenomorphs and used a different looking species. There, it's a new movie that doesn't confuse and tarnish what we love from the originals.
The philosophies of this and Prometheus always bugged me, because they have nothing to do with Alien. They're way more closely related to those of Blade Runner. Everything from a godlike Creator fearing the rebellion of its creation, the creation seeking more life from its Creator, and the creation seeking to destroy its frail creator out of revenge. Yeah, that's all just rehashed ideas from Blade Runner.
You should consider broadening your definition. It has in terms of storytelling, the same setup up as old science fiction movies and horror movies, which are sometimes called B-movies. It does not lessen the movie Alien in any way.
I thought the same, but alien 3 and alien resurrection were B rated movies at their absolute best! if they were lucky enough to find someone that would rate them as such
"Why didn't they wear Hazmat Suits when going on a planet for the first time" "Well because they don't in Star Trek!" .... Seriously that's your defense? Yes that is stupid. The characters in Star Trek are stupid, but Star Trek is meant to be fun TV adventure. This was a serious movie that took itself seriously and yet they acted stupider than 1960s Captain Kirk Star Trek Red Shirts. And you don't get why people thought it hurt the movie?
If you know anything scientist today have deduced that if there is another planet like earth in a 'Goldilock zone' which has all the elements to support life then the life wont be much different then earth apart from the physiological differences that might be attributed to type of light, gravity, composition of atmosphere(differences in levels of O2 and N2), soil and a few more. But that doesnt mean that they will be physiologically much different because they tentacles or hair or anything unnecessary is usually got rid of in the evolution process. In Covenant they find the planet that is best suited for human life much more then Origae-6. They were going to colonize Origae-6which was suited for human life and I am sure they werent going to live there wearing masks or bio-suits so if LV426 was better then Origae-6, i dont see any need for wearing a mask or bio-suit.
Because people are stupid. Thats why. Heres the logic. Helm: heres a planet sir, its nice! Sir: does it support out type of life? Helm: yes! Sir: is the weather nice? Helm: yes! Fairly so at least! Sir: are there critters big or tiny that can kill us that a suit will protect us from? Helm: nope, sensors show an all clear. Sir: great those suits fucking suck. If people knew what the fuck they were talking about and were actually fucking legitimate people instead of soft namby pamby asshats they could intuit this shit. But instead they condemn a movie because of a unimportant detail like a goddamn space suit that wouldnt have ultimately made a fucking bit of difference. At all. Not even a little. If they had pointed out that the movie was weak because the monster couldnt have been something truly alien but it had the arrogant attempt to use irony and had the monsters basically being made by us, i could have respected that complaint. Because its true. I was really let down that the aliens had a human centric origin. Its just a tired use of irony. The engineers made us out of themselves. And they made the deacon out of themselves. Then we fuck for a LOOOONG time and we make a better electric version of ourselves. That thing finds them. Studies them. Understands them and their creations. Goes all evil and shit. Meddles with their deacon thing and mixes it with us. Meddles some more. Poof alien. Booooorinnng! No where here did a goodamn environmental suit matter dynamically in the fucking least. Fuck.
you couldn't have posted a weaker comment then this. From the convo, that you posted above, you clearly say that they relied on ship's sensors and died but you clearly miss to relate and understand that the same thing was done with Origae-6. So we cant atleast reasonable accept that their sensors are pretty advance and can differential good and bad. So ya pretty weak argument/reasoning.
Hiren Patel who are you talking to? Me? Try rephrasing your comment. It made no sense. The point i was making is that even if they had worn suits, it wouldnt have mattered. Its unimpotant and given the overall context, theres a lot of reasoning behind them not wearing suits. Like the suits likely not being very useful but a huge unecessarry pain in the ass.
Star Trek went on away missions mostly to M class planets, where the atmosphere is close to earth, but we see in Star Trek First Contact, the crew did have to wear space helmets to walk around outside the spacecraft. So, they scan the planet to see if they are going to need space suits.
Yes exactly. And you could consider the planet in Covenant to be this universe's version of an M-class planet. MUTHUR has scanned the planet and deemed it habitable, therefore just like with an M-class planet in star trek, they decide that there is no need for helmets.
@Mr Heck They could determine the composition of the atmosphere but not see below the cloud cover, so they knew it was habitable but they couldn't see that there was a city, a crash site, etc. C'mon man that one was easy ;)
@Mr Heck OMG dude. YES it's easier to detect the likely atmospheric composition of a whole planet, scientists on earth right now can do it for planets light years away. Seeing one small city on an entire planet is way way harder. Learn some science before dismissing a movie as stupid. A small, primitive city could look just like some rocks to a computer, especially, as I said, there were heavy storms (a major plot point of the whole movie) which blocked scans and transmissions.
I wouldn't try to read too much into the science of Star Trek: it was born as a direct descendant of older pulp sci-fi in the general template set by Edgard Rice Burroughs' John Carter stories, and evolved through film serials and comic strips with the likes of Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and so on: the sort of rowdy "space westerns" alluded to in Roddenberry's "Wagon Train to the Stars" elevator pitch: you're following a brave captain and his loyal crew on episodic adventures to weird places to deal with strange bug-eyed aliens, maybe kiss a few green alien girls and punch a few "space-injuns" in between daring escapes from tense cliff-hangers, without too much attention being placed on the science of how the rocketships and rayguns work... That's not to say that Star Trek wasn't a particularly good example of that sort of that sort of thing: quite the contrary, the original series in particular had some particularly great sci-fi writers behind it! Jerome Bixby, Robert Bloch, Theodor Sturgeon, Ray Bradbury, Larry Niven, and Harlan Ellison, for example, are hardly light-weight writers of fantasy, science-fiction, and horror! This is the sort of science fiction that also brought us excellent work like 'The Forbidden Planet', 'The Martian Chronicles', and a forerunner to 'Alien' in 'IT!: The Terror from Beyond Space', not to mention the likes of 'Star Wars', 'Doctor Who', or even 'Lost in Space' and the 'Flash Gordon' movie from the '80s (one of the last unapologetic examples of this sort of thing, played for bizarre camp and psychedelica, but still quite firmly in the spirit of the whole thing!) But, the writers of that particular subgenre and generation of science fiction were exploring a slightly different area of science fiction than the one that worried about making sure that interplanetary space missions were scientifically realistic, with space suits so on: in that world, space-men can visit Mars and Venus without space-suits, aliens speak English and look human, and the speculative fiction elements tended to focus more on who and what humanity is, how it interacts with other worlds, what it can learn about itself and teach to alien beings, and so on. For the "harder" side of science fiction from that era, where you are more likely to find realistic space-suits and zero-gravity space navigation and the problems with trying to make fist contact with Starfish Aliens and so on, you'd get a lot more mileage from, say, 'Space: 1999' or '2001: A Space Odyssey'.... These in particular began an era of interest in realistic science fiction that still colours sci-fi to this day; the Star Trek spin-offs and movies would have retconned some concessions to hard sci-fi, but I don't think Star Trek really ever needed it. In short, it was perfectly OK, given the subgenre of sci-fi that Star Trek fell under (and continues to fall under, really), for Kirk and the boys to walk around on alien planets without space suits - the space suits aren't the point, and really would have gotten in the way of the Space Western fisticuffs, space-Romans, and other pulp fun that the show reveled in....
I just recently watched both Prometheus and Covenant on DVD. When I first saw the black stuff my first thought was of the black stuff in X Files. Anyone else?
Tiamaat, origin of the word "Material" Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, who bought creation forth from the Abyss Ancient Sumerian/ Babylonian Pyramids were also covered in Bitumen, the black goo
Honestly I enjoyed Prometheus and Covenant, Prometheus being my favorite of the two. Really enjoyed how David caused just as much a sense of horror as the aliens did. Looking forward to seeing if the new Alien movie (2024 supposedly) takes place after Covenant or is more of a stand-alone like Prey was.
And the horror David creates is in such an incredible juxtaposition to the horror the xenomorphs create. David is so gentle in manner which creates a false sense of safety/trust, arguably making him more dangerous than the xenomorphs which are physically and visually aggressive and terrifying.
@@yurikendal4868no there's another Alien movie but sadly Disney r directly involved with it unlike with Prey so i don't expect much deep meanings or R ratings.
The problem with these explanations is the lack of logic used by the crew. The reason why the crew didn't know about the intervals of the storm was because the planet WAS NOT properly surveyed. This proved that the one liner of, "better than" X surveyed planet was false. And Most of the crew was stupid for going to said unsurveyed planet.
Actually the mural was explained in the first draft script, the mural depicts a god with the power to create life, the goo at the beginning of Prometheus the engineer drinks came from it, the black goo is a corrupted artificially made version of the xenomorph god.
In fact some of them do such stupid shit I'm amazed they got into space to begin with. Captain Oram to be exact, he got the entire Covenant ship, crew and cargo, just a test place now for David's machinations. All because of Orams shitty decision making.
This isn't bad ... but I think I disagree on one point. I think that the Engineers DID create the xenomorphs a long time ago ... and David is simply re-creating them. The xenomorphs encountered in 1979 are ancient xenomorphs, while we await the xenomorph that David has yet to create. I also say that David is not pulling a HAL-9000. HAL malfunctioned because it could not resolve a problem in its programming: tell the truth, and withhold the truth ... HAL became paranoid as a result. With David, his is not so much a malfunction, but is the result of being a piece of technology that becomes far too advanced and begins developing emotions and motivation. I don't think that Weylund thought his creation was that advanced.
I agree with you two. That's what I think, -maybe- David plants Xenomorphs Ripley fights, but yes in Predator and AvP even if Ridley discredits it (he's Cameron after all) xenomorphs could have been created prior. David makes them with no tech. The Engineers have ALL the tech and in Alien there is a space jockey piloting that ship. If an android can replicate the process through rudimentary means, then surely the engineers were able to do the same thing over *thousands* of years right down to either they or Yautja planting them in Antarctica as a means to eradicate humans down the line as they apparently had the intention to possibly do. Plus this says to me in a full spectrum universe the Yautja may side with humanity and cull them as a possible 'sibling race' of elite warrior-hunters as I've said in other comments else where. Much like it is possible, Shaw could have been used to make the face-hugger eggs but it is also possible those eggs were already there on that world along with black goo canisters. Or as the video-author spectates, maybe the Queen/s exist by a different route. It is a bit too vague, like if that world had lesser Engineers on it or a different seed-race. There has been the mystery all along if Weylan-Yutani harvest xenomorphs as their own possible bio-weapon soldiers. Also David's malfunctions could be because of getting his head ripped off and then ten years of isolation. Since he is human-minded, humans go crazy from isolation, he might too. That and Ridley has tied this universe into Bladerunner and the synthetics tend to have their glitches of madness coinciding with their genius.
Георгий Мозговой: EXACTLY! 99% of people miss that moment in the film. Where it's made clear that David is malfunctioning, as he answers Walter's question incorrectly. Even this video doesn't point it out.
It is actually quite funny that in one of the deleted scenes David says to Daniels (who is in cryo sleep) that it is time for a queen and that this will change everything, but as far as it is a deleted scene it may or may not be true in new films
@@timjkoala7556 I just watched this video for the 1st time, and I commented this, and then saw this comment. Music is actually quite similar to goldeneye 007, but also distinctly different.
Honestly the answers we got and the implications make the entire franchise even scarier and I am excited to see more meta stuff, since it seems like there is a real effort and drive to gell that story now. I'm starting the franchise from at Prometheus/Covenant. Haven't seen the original movies yet
2 things from Covenant In the film at the end when Walter/David is watching through the security cameras, the Alien is looking at the camera before destroying it, Walter/David at first seemed pleased seeing it on camera before it destroyed it leaving Walter/David looking nervous... could this be a foreshadowing of David's fate or representing the cycle of creation turning on it's creator. Second, in an extra feature on the Blu Ray, David sent a transmission to Weyland Industries showing his experimentations with creating a perfect organism... this could be the link as to how W.I. knew about the aliens and possibly set things into motion for the first Alien movie.
Also, I didn't like some of the choices made. I didn't think the characters were stupid, but just that for some artistic/practical reason they decided to leave it out of the movie, like not wearing space suits. I know it's a movie and those characters don't really exist, and the choices made behind the scenes were most likely not to make them look stupid. Nevertheless that broke my immersion somewhat. But, here's the deal: in real life that would be a stupid decision. This is fantasy, so some compromises are made. But some people will just thin of it as if it is real life, like a documentary and they'll call it as such
After watching your video and listening to your language and tone, I came to a few conclusions: 1) You enjoy the prequels (or at least enjoy Covenant) 2) During the whole video, you come across as very defensive ("WHY are they so stupid?" and the comparisons to Star Trek stick out). First of all, no-one is comparing Star Trek with Aliens; you have to illustrate a point. The comparison of two separate movie universes serve little point for the film goer who enjoys the Alien franchise and feels disillusioned with the path it has taken. Star Trek is based on a utopian Earth where we have resolved our internal issues and going out across the galaxy to explore and not exploit other aliens and their resources. The Alien franchise is the direct opposite. 3) You never once suggest Ridley Scott is trying to re-write his own work; instead you pass it off as character mistakes or errors. Ridley Scott is making it up as he goes along, regardless how you want to intepret it. If he had this grand scheme of the Aliens being created by an android or it only being 16 years rather than 1000's of years when they found the fossilised Engineer (also, wouldnt the tech be better 16 years later too? Therefore any scans of the alien fossil would have shown it was a rather recent alien rather than a 1000 year old body???) 4) Reading the description above it states "It's okay to be wrong". I think you meant to write "It's okay to have a differing opinion" OR "It's fine to debate". This video is not debating an opinion, you come across as sarcastic and talking down to people with a differing view to you. Personally I enjoyed listening to your discourse about the Alien species and how you laced in comparisons/clips and then used this to create a reasoned, well thought out debate. Keep up the good work, just maybe try to be more objective and see the debate from both sides.
Amazing video! I love both Prometeus and Covenant (Die hard alien fan here) and I can't wait to see the next movie that connects the story! I've knew some of the stuff you spoke about in this video but I also learned a lot new information so big THANK YOU!
"B-movie action horror of the first two Alien movies" Both of them are pinnacle of Sci fi and Horror genre! They are the very top of A-movies!!! There isn't anything above them!
THANK YOU!!! I commented the exact same thing! He lost my respect once I heard him say those words. So offensive to the genre. I want him to take it back! LOL
Both movies made the most of their budgets and are held up to this day as examples of amazing practical effects, so even if that's what he meant, it doesn't make sense.
Alien and Aliens are very much B movies in terms of origin and content (original script was called Starbeast), BUT their production quality elevates them to something much more, in the same way as Star Wars and Indiana Jones did for action adventure movie serials (20th Fox actually green light Alien after success of Star Wars proved there was a market for big budget revivals of old fashioned sci-fi). The rather talented film maker David Cronenberg once said Alien would be a ridiculous if it didn’t have the budget/art direction, just a man in a crocodile suit chasing people down corridors. The original Alien films are a testament that great visual flair can negate any problems with a film project.
You know... This answers a lot of questions in a fantastic fashion. It's baffling to me that movie goers actually expect the characters to know what's going to happen, even if the audience knows. They need to know that this is the whole point of a film, guys. Characters are thrown into situations with little to no time to prepare. The actors may have seen the original films. But there's a difference between roleplay and real life, folks. If someone doesn't understand that... They need to make a reality check lol. Great video!
Patriot Cat exactly, since there was no origin the xenomorph was a more terrifying, mysterious force. It made studying them in these films seem logical even though it would almost always end in disaster for researchers. But now they're a...biproduct from a weird black alien goo, that was modified by an android we made simply because he desired to make the perfect being. It made a seemingly unstoppable force of nature (as natural as space gets) into some douchebag's science project. It simply took the fun out of it. Alien and Aliens was about survival, horror, human intelligence striving over the deadliest of species to have ever evolved. But now the alien franchise has become drowned in philosophical nonsense, and if this was the writer's original vision for the xenomorphs, then I say bravo to whoever stopped him for alien and aliens.
Verse Jumper - What absolute tosh. "Since there was no origin the xenomorph was a more terrifying, mysterious force" - no. The Alien movies have become increasing by-the-numbers and predictable ever since _Aliens_ hit the screens. You don't have to watch the movies to know what happens - bug gets loose, people die. Usually badly. Rinse and repeat. And they did. There was noting either terrifying or mysterious beyond the first film - and that sense of established in the first mystery _Ridley Scott_ bought to the table. All O'Bannons original script was was a knock-off of 20 Million Miles to Earth. You manage to exemplify exactly what's been wrong with these movies ever since _Alien_ - you apparently can't seem to comprehend anything much beyond the bug. Scott left these tantalizing glimpses of a far larger and more Lovecraftian universe lurking out there when the crew of the Nostromo discovered that first Juggernaut. That whole thing though got left behind. All Ridley Scott's done is re-introduce the actual things that made the first movie intriguing. The xenomorphs are frankly nothing. They're a bug. That's it. That is their story - they'll never bee anything but bugs. If Scott could only get to shake that whole aspect of them and move on, eventually we'd get somewhere possibly interesting. What this franchise needs is less _alien_ fans, I say. Blow 'em all out the airlock, they've done more to keep this franchise dumb than anyone.
I am a huge alien fan and personally LOVED prometheus and covenant BECAUSE it answered questions. I didnt care that the answers weren't a traditional alien movie, I didnt expect it to be. Instead though, you get a world of possibilities to think about and play with. You can still enjoy the originals on their own if you don't agree with the direction it's going, after all it's just a story! A creative idea! Some people think canon makes it set in stone history (like it happened in real life) but it's not so serious. People shake up stories all the time and it's okay to say what if. As for it being different, do you really think you could continue to enjoy and be scared by xenomorphs without any change to the story? Just endlessly watching people fight against these creatures, no questions asked? Not me. Either shake it up or leave it alone.
probably because it's only there for a quick trip to the surface to check conditions. Once the scientists are satisfied that the planet is capable of supporting life, the whole colony ship lands. Colony ships are one-way trips, it's not like the Sulaco that is designed for multiple missions. Maybe.
@@AlIguana Yep.. that makes sense. One way trip to the surface of the planet, everybody out, tear apart the ship for resources etc., build a civilization. cheers Al
@@AlIguana Have you seen how many emergency boats mid sized cruise ships carry around? Usually enough to carry %80 of the ships passengers, which in covenant's case should be about 800 people. Do you think 800 people could have fit on such a puny ass lander X^D?
They did have 2, but in the book Covenant Origins it's explained how one of them was sacrificed to stop a supply ship crashing into and destroying the Covenant before it left for space
@@charliesmith4527 Why the fuck wouldn't they turn around and immediately resupply with another one??? This if literally Fox Executive meddling THE MOVIE. "We really need to kill everyone off as soon as possible, yeah no helmets first day on a alien planet. Yeah one lander for a thousand people!"
Their initial mission was literally to find some new planet to inhabit, which would absolutely entail not living in suits. It would defeat the purpose to land somewhere they'd expect to need a suit.
Wow, you let a small detail like that ruin the whole movie for you? It didn't even phase me, because I was paying attention to the movie, and not retarded details. It's a movie fuckstick, not the boring reality of your insignificant existence.
@@Eurodollartrader Besides, the people in Covenant trusted their equipment that was state of the art at that time. But I would say that what happened in this movie would lead to stricter quarintine protocols by Ellen Ripley's timeline.
I just want to point out that there is a 100% cannon comic where a group of soldiers go back to the planet where Prometheus takes place, and they go inside a mountain and get trapped, during this time the ship around them begins to kinda melt, then they find out that a liquid that is dripping off the ceiling of the cave is dripping stomach acid, and the mountain is alive. It turns out that the mountain is what the Neomorph grew into after years and years of being on the planet. And yes, the thing that burst out of the Engineer was called a Neomorph, not a imperfect Xenomorph, two different types.
I do not think you understand what happened to the HAL 9000, It was clearly explained in 2010. Quite simply he followed orders to the best of its ability. That in no way jives with what happened with David.
Covenant gives shit about the story we expected from Prometheus 2. It just tries to finish off the Prometheus story as quick as possible. We were supposed to see what happens when they get to engineer's planet but what we get is a 2 minute video how everybody died and that's it. Ffs
@farenheit041 far be it for me to question your superior knowledge on what is 'smart'. But allow me to give you a little knowledge to consider... Good stories, whether they be movies, books, TV shows, stage plays etc. all have one thing in common. They make the audience invest themselves in the characters. I have no idea whether you were around when the original Alien movies came out (nor do I care), but they were an art form. You invested yourself into the characters because the people making those movies understood what good story telling was. It didn't need to be massively complex, it just needed to have characters/situations that didn't take you out of the movie, and that you could relate to. They treated the audience as if they had a brain, and did not allow the audience to be one step ahead. Directors, screenwriters, editors, sculpt the movie, and if the actors do not have decent material to work with, it shows to those people who are looking for more than just flashy lights and big explosions.
OR maybe people are fucking stupid and don't know how to watch films? Literally 99% of the issues this video "explained to the nth degree" is because 99% of the issues people bring up are flat out EXPLAINED in the film either overtly or through basic common inference.
That was way more interesting and insightful that I expected it to be and I believe I do feel a germ of change in opinion growing somewhere deep inside my chest. Cheers!
Oh the poetic irony of Ridley Scott's career in relation to his philosophical themes in the new direction he is taking the franchise is beautiful. Scott "created" the Alien franchise in 1979 and walked away from the creation for 33 years. That is an awfully long time to be "just waiting to make another alien movie." In that time the franchise has evolved into something wild and new and now that Scott has "come back" to attempt to control his creation, it is ultimately resulting in his destruction, as each new production falls further and further down in both ratings and sells. And don't throw that "perfect organism" argument at us. Because as bad as the movie was, Alien Resurrection came as close to showcasing these Perfect Organisms as being remotely intelligent for the first time in three movies. As shown repeatedly throughout the entire franchise (and yes I still view the two AVP movies as cannon regardless of how bad they ultimately were), these prefect beings will just charge head long at anything in front of them that isn't also a Xenomorph. Regardless of how many fall before them. On the note of the Neo-morphs not attacking David because he "confused" them with his none organic presence, WHAT!? Never before in the long history of Xenomorph behavior has a Xenomorph spared a single synthetic, as a synthetic offers nothing of beneficial biomass to the Xenomorphs. If able to a Xenomorph will capture a subject to be used as an incubator to further grow their colonies numbers rapidly, a synthetic is completely useless for this purpose. Meaning that logically speaking a Xenomorph will always kill a synthetic without hesitation, every time. And above all, where the hell does Ridley fucking Scott get off just dismissing others works as ridiculous when he wasn't anywhere to be seen when no less than five movies were made using his creation? Let alone the thousands of comics, books, and fan movies created based solely on the first movie, and built upon with the release of the later three. Where was he then? Just sitting around waiting to make another one I guess. Instead we are promised answers to the questions we have been asking for decades, Who were the Space Jockey's? Why was their ship crashed on LV-426? Where did the Xenomorph eggs come from? Where was the Xenomorph that busted out of the Space Jockey in the first movie? Only to be presented with a horrible movie that failed in almost every account. We did find out that the Space Jockey was an Engineer, but that was the only connection to the first movie that Prometheus had. They cut the part of the script that would have answered everything we as the audience wanted to know about the mystery of the crashed ship in the first movie. And now everyone is arguing over the fact that we as the audience were disappointed at not seeing an Xenomorph is a movie at was suppose to be about the Xenomorph. Really? We got a movie that so far does nothing to relate to the Alien movie of 1979, but goes on a farfetched journey of religious discovery turned hate fueled revenge. Ridley Scott really needs to sit down and watch his own movie from all those years ago to remind himself of the movie he is suppose to be making. At this rate it would seem that David will go on to bring the colony ship to Origae 6 and finish his experiments on the remaining colonist, then somehow find a new Engineer ship to go back to LV-426 and crash. But a huge monkey wrench in this plan is the Space Jockey was chest busted. Meaning that David can't be the one that goes back to LV-426 before the events of the first Alien movie because he can't host a Xenomorph. And I don't think a Engineer will have the knowledge to be able to handle the eggs onto its ship without something happening long before hand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far nothing that has happened in either Prometheus or Alien Covenant links back to Alien 1979. Because if Ridley Scott were to have his egotistical way with it then the only thing that is truly cannon would only be his movie from 1979. And how selfish is that to be honest?
These other movies are sequels & that's why Scott wasn't involved. What more was there to tell after the fact? Anyone could (and has) taken the story where they pleased. He chose to wait & tell a more interesting story of how that original came about. Any sequel just rehashes Alien! Perfect organism doesn't mean smarter, but rather more adaptable. You even called them Neo-morphs & then use Xeno's reactions as an argument. We've only seen Neo's interact with one Synthetic who also happens to be their creator. The movie IS about Xenomorphs, the Goo & their evolution. Why keep saying "go back to LV-426"? Prometheus was on LV-223. None have been to the 1979 Alien planet...yet. There's no connection to the first movie. There's still nearly 20yrs to pass & that's where the 3rd prequel will come in. Hope you get your answers cause your post is full of wrong & misinformation.
I love this movie, it isnt perfect...but David is a fantastic character and the lore is interesting. There are definitely Alien cliches scattered throughout the two films but David is a strong enough character for me to stay engaged.
6:49 Umm... yes. It’s just would make characters more relatable and cautious, and tragedy more devastating. Blindly believing some scans for couple minutes on unexplored planet is incredible stupid and technical explanations is not justified it at all. Just one gripe here from me.
I think you misstate criticism 2 in your opening. I agree, as you state it, Covenant confirms (or at least supports) certain broad questions about the Engineers' motivations. But that's not quite the same as what I think people are mainly objecting to. In Covenant, we wanted the *specifics* of how humans rebelled against/disobeyed the Engineers. The end of Prometheus implied we'd get those answers in the next movie. We'd see Elizabeth Shaw confront the Engineers face to face and get her answer, instead of getting killed offscreen before the movice began. It was an eyerolling experience - all I could think was that Ridley Scott went back on his (tacit) promise in order to jerk us around for another few hours, so he could milk the franchise for yet another movie. It kind of throws one out of the film when you're thinking about how shady the filmmakers are, instead of being drawn into the actual film.
Prometheus crews: wears protective suit and helmet when going outside (I know the outside/surface is toxic) Covenant crews: just wear like you're hiking, no helmet because everything is similar to earth
If the Neomorph's didn't attack David because they recognised him as a non-biological lifeforms, how did Walter get his hand torn off by a Neomorph earlier in the movie?
I'm not against movies that make you think and consider more in your mind after watching them. But I don't prefer paying $10 for a film that I have to make excuses for afterwards. I didn't feel like I had to do the same for 2001, Donnie Darko, Blade Runner, or even Prometheus in order to enjoy them. Alien: Covenant is just bad screenwriting.
Hell yeah! some decent common sense and reasoning would have been nice as well. Backed up by a good story that surpasses that common sense and reasoning and still wreaks havoc.
"In this video I'm going to give you answers about why things happened." The answer: "WELL STAR TREK DIDN'T CARE ABOUT LOGICAL CONSISTENCY WHY SHOULD WE?"
Alex Beglan it literally is at least twice. And Star Trek is not a sci-fi tech series, it’s a sci-fi fantasy universe. Everything is a desus ex. This is a terrible video.
Do you even understand what a logical inconsistency is? Have you even watched the video? Do you wake up in the morning and need someone else to wipe your ass? The reason they don't wear helmets is because there is no reason to as they've established that the atmosphere is clean. Those helmets and suits aren't protective devices, they're breathing suits, kind of like space suits and diving suits. This is why helmets didn't protect anyone in Prometheus. And people don't just randomly wear body armor when there is no perceivable danger. And the saddest thing is? This is explained in the video itself.
I loved and still love covenant. Always did, always will. I was never confused. And i think if people do... they cant understand it yet. Or just dont want to listen what the movie tells them.
*Can we get a human pilot that can actually land a spacecraft without crashing it? *Can we get an intelligent futuristic crew that listens to computer warnings w/o dismissing them (You'd think we have computer software quite perfected to diagnose problematic outcomes by then)..."Warning, do not exceed x-factor or ship will explode" It gets dismissed and ship blows up...movie over. *Can we get a crew that doesn't treat an alien world like they're visiting Disney World? ...Danny McBride was your best choice for Alien Covenant????
Okay, I had to stop watching this as soon as he said that the Covenant is heading to Omicron Persei 8. That's the planet from FUTURAMA that the Emperor Lrrrrrr comes from.
Audience : Why A? This video: The character does not know that, you do while watching the movie. Audience: Why B? This video: The character does not know that, you do while watching the movie. Exactly, the character does not know that! In a situation like that, with so much unknown, apply common sense of being cautious.
When the crew start exploring the planet, they stop for a rest break while one of the members sits down to have a "smoke break." 1) What corporation, business entity or organization in the world would select a smoker to join their very expensive expedition? 2) Even if cigarettes were somehow engineered to not cause cancer, they are still a fire hazard in a very expensive space ship. 3) Since they were relocating to a brand new world, where did this crew member think he was going to buy cigarettes when his supply ran out? 4) Considering the fact that every piece of cargo would have had to be accounted for in the ships manifest, exactly how many packs of cigarettes was he allowed to take with him. 5) The expedition brought a smoker with them. 6) Since the artificial atmosphere was an enclosed space, why did they allow someone who smokes to come along? 6) There was a smoker on board.
Oh my God, lots of BS excuses. I guess you can rationalize every bad movie script and convince yourself that it is good. Suspension of disbelief should be a result of a good script.
Suspension of disbelief is earned, it's not something that a story is automatically owed. It also has its limits. We accept the force exists in Star Wars, but we don't accept that Jedi can just create matter out of nothing, or be in two places at once, or time travel. Just because you accept some parts of a story so there can be a story does not mean you're obligated to accept every bullshit idea the writer comes up with. It needs to be consistent. You can't just constantly change the rules in the middle of the action with no warning and then claim "Suspension of disbelief!" That's not how storytelling works. It's not how *good* storytelling works, anyway.
honestly, the fact that they killed off Shaw so lazily just left a sour taste in my mouth. and also the ending. I, for one, loved Prometheus, but disliked covenant A LOT.
It's a shame we'll probably never get a conclusion to this arc. I actually really like what Ridley was doing with the Xenomorph. Better than James Cameron just making them space bugs.
The crew sure was Dumb and Incompetent!! Wonder how Weyland Yutani, a Corporate Organization choose its crew? Don't they run extensive Medical, Psychological, Physical tests on the Subjects to ensure they are capable of living in space? The Crew of Prometheus were slightly better with each being an expert in their respective field but having no skills or even the basic common sense in others. Like for e.g. when that Geologist freaks out when they find Giant Dead Aliens ..surely, if Wayland does a pyschological assesment of him, he would fail. Why would they select such failures to go on-board on such an expensive mission. Vickers says she choose them personally, what paramenters she used to select the crew.
I don’t hate this movie, but it was not “very successful” it probably made a small profit. There was room to build upon it, but the actions of half the characters made no sense, maybe there was too much studio interference. For whatever reason the prequels didn’t work, but rewatching the movies I can hardly call them “good” Hoping Romulus can bring it back to glory.
They don't wear helmets in Star Trek because they have transporters, and also they have a general idea of what they're getting into. They also have advanced medical capabilities. I don't recall if we ever see them wear suits, but if they needed to, they could. In general, they didn't lean too much into realism because it makes it hard to focus on other things that way.
We are expecting these 2 movies to revolve around aliens, NOT DROIDS! The entire Covenant movie is mostly about David's intentions. Mine as well change the movie's title to Droid: Convenant.
"B-Movie action horror of the first two Alien films." are you for real? The first Alien has no action, and Aliens is definitely not B-Movie level. Do you even know what the term "B-Movie" means?
What are you talking about? The first Alien has multiple gun fights and an entire mech suit fight scene that culminates in the destruction of the ship.
Huge disagreement, the crew was very reckless, it would not have saved them but there is no reason at all they could not orbit the planet for a couple days to see what the weather is like, take more detailed scans and get a better idea. They went fast because for whatever reason the new Captain wanted to get them down on the planet quickly to prove going there was a smart idea. Space Jesus and the reinterpretation of Greek myth is going way to far and deep, if Scott meant to do that he went over the edge and did not include nearly enough information. Also the crew was very reckless leaving the lander without helmets, you say they have sensors, but those sensors seemed to not notice basically zero fauna on the planet. The proto-aliens created by the spoors killed everything that was not plant life and the sensors made no notice of this?
Tom Marshall This is my biggest problem with Covenant and it’s implications. It absolutely messes up the timeline. Even Ridley Scott said that the derelict was a cargo ship, the eggs being the cargo used for biological warfare. The ship had clearly crashed a long time ago, long enough for the Engineer’s suit to at least partially fuse to the chair and fossilise, so at least a few thousand years. The reason the eggs hadn’t fossilised is because they were kept in that stasis field designed to keep them alive but inert until interacted with.
@@Gaminglord12 That's because Alien Covenant doesn't affect anything, David made his OWN subspecies of xenomorph meaning everything can still make sense, and the xenomorphs have existed for millenia
Jackle Craft I wish this were true, and it was my head canon immediately after watching the film, but Ridley Scott and the supporting media for the film make it clear that David is in fact the creator of the Xenomorph. Originally Scott intended for the Engineers to be the ones who created it, but he changed his mind and made it David. That’s the truth of the matter regardless of how we feel about it.
TimmyNoThumbz I hope for a further film with xenomorphs birthing and having David’s face (with the two mouths !) that would be awesome and totally in keeping with current writing ...
28:47 I LOVE this video but I think you missed this about the Alien Queen. David said that he's created better and better iterations of the alien and that in its closest form the eggs are "Waiting for Mother". He meant this as in: he needs a queen to create the perfect organism. I'm assuming he needs a women to create the alien queen which is why he did experiments on Elizabeth Shaw to try and turn her into an Alien Queen (I'm assuming they failed) and also needs Daniels ALIVE to turn her into an Alien Queen as well. That's why he's so relieved seeing Daniels alive after the final Alien battle. Another angle is all that he succeeded in creating a perfect alien organism by successfully turning Shaw into an Alien Queen which is whre the eggs would have came from.Though I recall him saying telling Oram (New captain after James Franco dies) that he needs new material to continue testing (which is why he needs the 2000 colonists on the ship).
Waiting for mother refers to the eggs lying dormant until an organism or womb is present. Eggs can be grown, most likely from some combination with ze goo
As soon as you used BELLIGERENTLY DRUNK Ridley interview footage to reinforce the argument that a studio NOTORIOUS for tampering w/ projects, and a director NOTORIOUS for writing horrible films, yet churning out masterpieces so long as he doesn't write, failed miserably in churning out the incoherent train wreck that this prequel trilogy is, because "critics" made them change course... You lost all credibility. I'm 1:28 in BTW. Lmao. Please, go read the original screenplay for Prometheus that Ridley hacked to shreds before you blame critics for this flaming zeppelin of a franchise.
Interesting fact I noticed; Ridley Scott says the "black goo" is Pandora's box. The famous "Pandora's box" is a mistranslation from the original Mycenaean - it's actually "Pandora's Jar", jars that would look much like the ones used to contain the "black goo"
You've really managed to hit the sweet spot between "very interesting" and "utterly pointless" with your comment. Well done :)
I really wish we got to see Ridleys true sequel to Prometheus. I know a lot didnt enjoy the film but i really enjoyed the lore of Prometheus and its a shame we didn't get to see his real vision of what the sequel should have been.
I completely agree.
Wait what
There was a translation of the Engineer writings on the walls, saying that the mural of the alien was a deacon that they worshiped. Engineers were a dying race, who lost the ability to procreate, and then comes along this being that bursts out of one of their own after they were impregnated by some creature. So, they used it's blood to create new races at other planets to propagate their DNA. And comes back to check on them every few hundred years to check if they were on the right path (their way of life). There was too much war, so they took one child back to eden and educated him before sending him back. But when the human they sent to guide the mankind was crucified, they wanted to wipe humanity out, thinking it was a lost cause. However, they stopped their plans when humans started a new religion around the child they sent to educate others.
And the reason the Prometheus Engineer got so angry was because of Weyland, who showed that the humans still had not changed from their destructive, selfish ways. So, what are your thoughts on this?
DawnOfAngel so basically Jesus was a student to the engineers and we’re supposed to be the result of selective breeding between the engineers and the aliens? That’s some hardcore shit.
No no wait a minute..(no offence intended..all friendly banter..) the Engineers couldn’t carry out their plans because things went tits up when there was an outbreak on LV 223. (All those Engineer bodies in Prometheus?) Also (taking the piss here, can't resist) if humans are the result of selective breeding involving butt-fuck ugly Xenos..? Think of the most beautiful bikini model and try to reconcile her to that idea.. The Engineers i can still except because there are Engineer women in Alien Covenant. But xenos? How the hell could anything coming from a xeno have resulted in the divine Eve? EVEN ADAM..since in the bible Eve was taken from Adam..(if i take it correctly your idea is based on the bible account of creation and Jesus role) but still..Christ..the human form in its perfect state, male or female is beautiful..but Xenos?? Godamm..😂😂😂..we would surely all look like a cross between Keith Richards and a brick shit-house. But respect..its all good fun and speculation.
The xenomorph is a creation they created not stumbled upon
Doesn’t make sense that they just changed their mind because they started a religion. It makes more sense that they were going to go through with wiping humans out but before they left there was a containment breach. The reason the engineer was pissed at weyland was because they are supposed to be dead not sitting on the engineers doorstep, so he tried to complete the mission.
Just 2 notes they don't change their mind, they where going to distroy earth then got infected, the one they find in the sleep pod has been there for 2000 years.
Also the deacon was not created by the engineers they despise violent creatures, in the extended cut dialog from the scene where the engineer drinks the goo we learn this is blood of the deacon and they are running out of it and trying to replicate it, however the creatures that this goo generate are violent and mindless. So the deacon is supposed to be similar in appearance to the xenomorph but inteligent and superior.
At least that's what I get from the cut content. I'd really like to get a movie or TV show or even a book to tell this property
Covenant should have been Elizabeth Shaw exploring the galaxy looking for the origin of mankind. I’m still upset this didn’t happen!
That was literally the biggest setup from the end of Prometheus and I was SO excited to see that happen in Convenant… (mainly for her find the answer to her question of why the engineers were determined to eradicate humans on earth) only to find that Shaw didn’t even make it to the start of Covenant, and they completely abandon that question
@@officialgrindr Yep!😫
Shaw couldn't explore anything cause she's human, 30 years old and has an expire date. Especially after long space travel. It's obvious why they went with David who on the other side won't die and he can wander the universe for millions of years. He's synthetic so Xenos wouldn't attack him and he has a knowledge to RE- CREATE a perfect organism.
I wont lie. I find myself watching Prometheus and Covenant quite often but just for David , I hope there will be one more film to complete its story.
Same
Wise Guy4U you have a crush on Michael fassbender , so much so that you would pay to watch a shitty 2 hour movie just to see his face. It’s ok it be gay.
It was supposed to be "Alien - Awakening" but Covenant did so bad (box office-wise) that the movie has been cancelled (before even being started) from what I hear..
just finish the story even if people don't like it U should still finish it. I mean Disney got to finish their trilogy and that worst than dog shit
Forget about the story and the plot... i think its bcause how versatile of an actor Michael fassbender is...nd how dark the character of David can get...
For me...David is the most interesting character in both the films.. agree or not
Omicron Persei 8 is a planet from futurama the planet they were trying to colonize is Origae 6 how did nobody catch this
noah raskin thank you
noah raskin I swear I thought I was reading it wrong the video and was like "wait I don't remember that being the planet name"
Caught it, I was hoping it was a joke.
But he dismissed the lack of protective gear or general precaution as "hurr durr, you know it's a horror, they don't.".
And the first point, about the storm starting after they land, is a flat out fabrication. The storm was always there, it just got a lot worse after they landed.
The first two baby aliens were bullet proof but the captain kills it when it's fully grown, with two or three shots?
Following the robot, that you don't trust, down into its secret cave of experiments then sticking your face into a pod that's moving?
Not performing tests on the guy that had a parasitic alien melt his face off to see if he was infected?
The computer only recognising one alien life-form on board the ship (David wouldn't be recognised, neither would the 2 alien embryos in his stomach).
And many more gaffs that must happen, despite their absurdity, to move the story forward.
It was a well made film with a weak plot.
The colonists would have been warmly welcomed by Lurr.
So is this video actually satire?
Dallas: Okay, Ripley, we're clean. Let us in.
Ripley: What happened to Kane?
Dallas: Something's attached itself to him. We have to get him to the infirmary right away.
Ripley: What kind of thing? I need a clear definition.
Dallas: An organism. Open the hatch!
Ripley: Wait a minute. We let it in, the ship could be infected. You know the quarantine procedures: 24 hours for decontamination.
Dallas: He could die in 24 hours! Open the hatch.
Ripley: Listen to me. If we break quarantine, we could all die.
Alien was a smarter movie than Alien Covenant
and they were space truckers, not cientists , soldiers or colonists, they didnt expect to find a planet that could sustain life, the covenant guys could just find a space mosquitoe carrying space malaria and die, even if the air was safe
They still opened the hatch
Ash opened the hatch.
Lats p ash opened the hatch and he was programmed by Weyland Utani to preserve the life form at all costs, “crew expendable”
Smarter film exactly, such an unfortunate waste of talent and an opportunity.
I actually really enjoyed Covenant, but would have loved to see what he had originally intended. Also sad that we're not getting a third film to tie it all up. Really wanted to see what David ended up doing, because he was so scary, and such a great villain!
Yeah for real. I also wanted to see David’s fate. What happens to him exactly. They need to pull some resources together and just make it happen. People will still go see it. That’s for sure. They just need a good cast and a badass director.
I thought a new alien movie was on the way is this not connected
@@Toocoolforschool573 this is something in Romulus that connects to these prequels (I won't spoil it though). I hope that it is successful at the box office so that Ridley might get a chance to finish the David story.
Atleast have someone write a book.
I still want another Alien's movie. I want it made by the only man that can resurrect the franchise. JAMES CAMERON! He was the only person that could not only make an incredible sequel but better than the original movie. He then made another sequel for Terminator that was better than the original. I don't care what it costs pay James Cameron to give us one final great Aliens movie!
if Star Trek taught me anything its that ion storms will ALWAYS create communication interference for plot reasons. ALWAYS.
Tyler G and not to feed cancer cells. I got that from that food documentary on Netflix.
And the question regarding space helmets is not answered by "because Star Trek". And the question regarding sensors is not answered by "because Star Trek and fake corporate sensor ad from movie". This franchise is not Star Trek and we expect a higher sense of science and intellect to be applied. If the sensors did not inform them of natural fauna on the planet, they failed. And if the sensors did not pick up non-natural alien life forms, they failed. And if the crew used the sensors to completely deviate from mission, they failed.
Don't beam up during Ion Storm either, evil twin
@@dude_8434 yeah, those ion storms just love pulling people into the separate incarnations of their inner psyche by way of teleporter malfunction. And of course, you never want to beam up with someone you don't get along with during an ion storm, because that's the leading cause of Science Fiction Freaky Fridays, and who has time to walk a mile in someone else's shoes?! We got Aliens to deal with!
Yes. Because ion storms are actually a very real occurrence that affects communications and electrical systems right here on earth and space. This is not science fiction, it's real science.
On Earth these storms have caused communication losses and blackouts as well as aurora in places not usually seen. The worst one on record happened in 1859. Scientists have said if one of that magnitude happened today it would cause trillions of dollars in damage to our satellite infrastructure and cause massive blackouts that could last months.
Fortunately comparatively to places like like LV 223 our atmosphere and sun are much more stable.
"What's with the big head in the Big Head Room?" Where else would u store it? The small leg room?
Question asked by capitalists. They think, "Why wouldn't you store it in the storage room of your other mansion?"
Nah, just throw it in the freezer with Peter Pettigrew's missing finger!
The Big Giant Head is their God.
@@O1OO1O1*rich capitalist. The rest of us are exploited labor and live in cardboard boxes.
David is a fuckin' terrifying villain.
So calm and logical yet impulsive and insane.
He was so...human.
Hes satan incarnate.
michael fassbenders acting is just masterclass, david is no1 on my most terrifying fucking villains ever list xD
@@aryamik9722 i agree its terrifying but at the same time very entertaining to watch
@@ZarrysLux yesdefinitely the way hes written is brilliant
I disagree
These films aren't trying to remake the earlier ones. They are full of deep ideas and are exploring various themes. The storytelling is more complex, but they make you think, as not everything is handed to you on a plate. I really hope this trilogy is concluded.
The other films, specifically Alien and Aliens, didn't hand everything on a plate either. Yet they are leagues ahead of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.
@@JT-hk9urgo on
All of that is what fucks them up and none of it it rrally true either. Why include xenomorphs at all then?
Has it occured to you these films are just trash?
You're just wrong. Ever heard what the director said about it?
I'll help he says " we didn't want to do this, but we ended up anyway". "We didn't want aliens, but people did". So basically it's like the opposite of what you said.
I find your explanation of the Captain's action with the egg to be insufficient.
Moments before he was given a tour by david, he had witnessed David's total disregard for human life. The Neomorph was chowing down on a human and the captain witnessed David communicating with it. He also noticed that David gave no shits whatsoever about the fact that it just ate someone and the captain was ready to shoot him on the spot.
After seeing David's little shop of horrors, any reasonable person would have known that this David 8 model could not and should not be trusted. It really didn't make sense for the captain to trust David's word when it came to the egg. It really was stupid.
Granted I really like this movie, but that scene with the captain in the egg is absolutely moronic.
Overall though, I find your explanation of the film to be very good. Most of it makes sense.
In the Alien universe, Androids are programmed to not harm humans, and in a deleted scene Orem asked Walter if David was dangerous and Walter replied "disturbed". Orem's "trust" in David was built on these two facts. I get where you are coming from, but Orem does not know David the way we do and does not see Androids the way we do. From his perspective, the idea that an android would kill him or bring harm to him was near impossible because a toaster toasts, you don't expect it to bludgeon you to death David was a toaster to the crew of the Covenant, and they could not comprehend his development of independence or personal agendas.
After all they have been through, Orem should have shot the Neomprh and David...
Apparently the novelization of the movie explains it better, with David having managed to get Orem with a narcotic, thus dulling his senses and making him more trusting, but that was the book, not the movie...
I'm sorry I laughed at the whole "David I met the devil as a boy so your going to tell me blah blah ablah, I can't see the devil in front of me I'm going to follow you into a dark room alone dumbassary." First thought I had at that seen was, It trusted me. Bitch she trusted you too now their both dead. Bang. Dead robot."
"Oram hasn't seen an Alien film so he doesn't know what is inside the egg" But he HAS seen a lot of his team killed in the most graphic bloody way by a number of extremely aggressive intelligent and efficient killing machines. He HAS just seen David show no emotion to another crew members head floating in a sink. He HAS seen a host of gruesome biological experiments/autopsies in David's study and he has no idea who David is or how dangerous or crazy he might be. He HAS seen literally thousands of charred bodies littering the city. Oram shows no judgement or even any self preservation skills. Kane was an adventurer not a captain, that's why he is seen champing at the bit to be in the away team. Also at the point of looking in that egg there had been no indication that there was any real danger. The place was essentially as dead as a cemetery, no piles of humanlike bodies, no vicious aliens, no dead crewmates cluttering up he place, no blown up spacecraft. Comparing Kane to Oram without considering what happened to them both immediately prior to looking in that egg is a specious argument.
I know your post is old, but I agree with you 100% nonetheless. Great post.
Kane was a miner, just like everyone else on the Nostromos. The crew of the Prometheus was supposed to be scientists, you'd think they would know better.
@@JSkyGemini yeah comparing Oram to Kane isn't really fair. Oram was a gullible fool.
Oram was most likely drugged by David, which is hinted in a deleted scene, because in the scene that follows the DS, Oram is acting a little out of it and not as focused as he was when he pointed his weapon at David.
Oram knows not David, as far as he should know, David its an android without emotions and programed to obey and not harm humans, and not, wallter knows that the model had change and why, but the more likely thing is that the general public didn't even know the issues with the original model
Oram was never captain material and wasn’t confident in his ability from the start. He’s never portrayed as particularly smart or spectacular in any way.
A lot of your arguments are based on content outside the movie (The crossing, Ridley interviews, the wayland promo site, etc). The frustration most people have is these things should of been addressed to some level in the movie.
Why? I mean it accepted that they're carrying terraforming gear - why should you be explained how they know that the atmosphere is safe?
As with the interviews; Twin Perfect is simply explaining it too you and using RS's interviews to support his claims.
I think that most people feel disappointed by the movie because they have all these preconceived notions about what it either has to be or not be - horror vs not horror, intellectual vs action. I think they either wanted a rehash(not remake) of the first Alien movie or they wanted something very tangible and not filled with allegories and metaphors.
I have to say - I agree. Stuff that was taken out of the movies was taken out simply becasue Scott didn't feel they were right - _not_ becasue they were the answers everyone's seeking and Scott thought he'd simply hide them, 'cos he's like that.
Classic example - the deleted scene right at the beginning of Prometheus where the other Engineers originally accompanied the one who sacrifices himself. Scott realised only _after_ filming that the Engineers were being depicted incorrectly: they're supposed to be the very pinnacle of humanoid evolution - the absolute apex. As such it became obvious - were this in practice the case - what you'd in have is a mono-gendered species, other than in terms of age, more or less indistinguishable to each other. There'd be no variation on account how all of them are all equally perfect, there's only one way for them to go - they ALL look like Michelangelo's statue of David on steroids and approximately built to similar scale.
In the original scene they were simply too varied. And it goes on. Those cut scenes were cut becasue Scott felt they were wrong.
It does absolutely no good pulling shit that isn't in the movie into it and making out _that's_ the story Ridly's telling. Every man and his pet neomorph doing these "I-can-explain-it-all, really-I-can" video's are doing exactly the same crap.
Watch the films. That's all anyone's got to do. Watch the films and stop expecting them to be rehashes of every other alien film anyone made since _Aliens_ on - those aren't the films Ridley Scott's interested in making. They've been done already and mostly they were crap, Aliens not withstanding - a very good film, but still - NOT the movie Scot would have made had he been making the squeal.
These current films _are_.
I agree with you, when watching a movie it shouldn't be required to do research outside the narrative to appreciate the film.
Terminator T-X3
THANK YOU. Send that exact comment to Ridley Scott in an Email.
scott should have just made the movie he wanted, what is the point of planing two movies, and throwing away all the planning? dont make any movie them, it is better than making bad movies, ops i forgot they still got the money
I always thought the “stupidity” of the characters in Prometheus and Covenant was just meant to be exaggerated allegories of the worst aspects of humanity.
It always seems to be saying to the audience that, when faced with external threats, humanity’s downfall will come from it’s own shortcomings before anything else.
That's a great way to look at it. The "stupidity" of the characters didn't bug me at all, and I guess I picked up on it subconsciously - it's a running theme in slasher movies, with the victims tending to be exaggerated allegories in much the same way, and for much the same reason. Which makes sense, in a way: 'Alien' itself was, after all, an early slasher movie at heart, with a bizarre, alien "slasher" killing off the crew members one by one. (One of the alternate titles for 'Alien' alludes to this: 'The Eighth Passenger' - we've got a crew of space-truckers on a long, dark stretch of lonely interstellar highway, picking up a deadly hitch-hiker....)
@@pietrayday9915well, not quite. The presence of Ash, and the twist of the company directing mother to divert and collect a sample (with Ash losing his gd mind) made the whole thing a bit deeper.
Exploring an alien world with no bio-suite is just stupid,, as the movie clearly depicts. Good writers don't need to strain common sense to create horror scenarios.
Covenant seemed like a HUGE wasted opportunity. I was, and still am, a fan of Prometheus. It was beautifully shot and I liked Shaw despite the way she and (everyone else) was written. It expanded upon the Alien universe without narrowing it down too much. Unanswered questions can build mystique. Unfortunately, Covenant, attempting to "fix" what Prometheus laid down, actually threw most of what made it compelling under the bus, then backed over it again and again.
jackkoffin1 on the point bro, n1! I would add that covenant is a really good movie, aside of prometheus story, it was done good.
@@alexalyo40 apert from the story. The story is everything, and both films are terrible. Probably a 2/10
@@alexalyo40 lol
I like the Covenant
I know I’m 5 years late but I’m glad I’ve found another person who enjoys Prometheus 😂
Actually, the idea of David (a human-made android) being the source of the genesis of the xenomorphs makes a kind of sense for me: In the extra footage features of the DVD, it is revealed that David was in communication with the company. He was telling them what he was doing and they approved. The idea that the one thing that brought about the existence of such a monstrous and dangerous creature was corporate greed, makes perfect sense to me.
What kind of speech text does he use in this video???
David being in constant contact with the company makes him like HAL 9000.
I didnt like it because it completely shrinks the universe. A lot of the awe the original alien film had was seeing a being so foreign and strange where there wasnt much of a reference point in real life to work with to effectively describe it. To make the xenomorph the product of a rogue android (a human creation) makes the xenomorph less "alien" so to speak. It Completely defeats what made it so terrifying/awe inspring in the first place.
@@MrIndiemusic101the way I think they are going with this is yea nature can create the most terrifying creatures out in the universe but nature is flawed, whereas you can take the xenomorphs and enhance and improve their design to suit your purposes more. The prequels are answering questions on the evolution of the xenomorphs, where the space jockeys and/or engineers came from, etc.
TLDR; it’s the product of nature, the engineers, and a synthetic who is a creative thinker and a genius with superhuman intelligence (David.)
If you're going to throw mud at StarTrek Awayteams... ask instead why its always Bridge- and Flag officers going down, rather than specialized recon teams.
Why don't they wear helmets or any kind of biological protection on a planet full of alien life and microbes?
Answer: They didn't in Star Trek LOL
@michael mcpeek They would have to think of a more intelligent way to infect the first person. But since there was already "protomorphs" running around the whole episode was actually pointless to the over all plot anyway.
yeah the amount of handwavey bullshit in this video really puts me off
Yeah...definitely one of the most ridiculous defenses of why they didn't wear helmets in Alien Covenant I have ever seen. I never realized that the Alien franchise and Star Trek shared a cinematic universe. And who said that no one ever questioned the fact that Star Trek characters didn't wear helmets when they investigated alien worlds? I always found that to be somewhat problematic. But I think michael mcpeek said it best: If the characters had worn helmets, the plot of the film would have been compromised, and then there would have been no Alien Covenant movie (damn them I say...damn them to Hell for not wearing those freakin' helmets).
On top of it all.. they do wear suits and use decontamination procedures in Star Trek.. In Star Trek enterprise (technologically before beaming technology) they use it all the time. In later ships, they have bio filters on the beaming technology that filters the baddies away.
Exactly. This video's argument regarding the helmets is beyond retarded.
does anyone remember omicron persei 8 from futurama???
Yeah, I picked up on it. Origae-6 is the one from Covenant
i'm not sure how better off they would have been. they'd have to deal with omicronians. what ever you do, just DONT INTERRUPT "SINGLE FEMALE LAWYER" TIME!!!
I AM LURR!
I was trying to remember where I heard it from before.
human horn is a delicacy on op-8
My biggest problem with Covenant is that it feels like they've jumped an entire movie. There's so much cut and left out that it takes research to figure out all the details that should just be given IN THE MOVIE. But they don't because they obviously cut corners writing the script. Whatever happened to "show, don't tell"? They could have just used actual scanning devices to show what THEY know about the planet, to let US know that THEY know. Small things like that would have made a big difference for the viewer. Still going to hate the fact that the most important character from Prometheus was completely cut out from the story with pretty much just a glance at her defiled body. They could have made an entire freaking movie about just Shaw and David travelling through space in that engineer spaceship - that would have been so much better.
Omg YES! I made a similar comment on another video about Covenant. This movie rushed so many things that I felt would have been better shown to us, rather than told or even flashbacked. Looking at Shaw's defiled body while we are only left to assume and speculate what happened to her really pissed me off since i was expecting a prequel saga featuring that character. I really wanted covenant to continue where Prometheus left off, exploring new worlds and finding out more about the engineers. Heck even the scene where David annihilates a whole race could have been included in a movie where we get to see the events leading up to that resolution, rather than some "aha surprise! Look how evil he is!" Flashback. What happened in covenant looks like things that should have happened at the end of the original Prometheus prequel trilogy the Ridley Scott originally planned on doing, then leading into the plot of earlier Alien films.
And the most important part, this prequel series could have been it's own thing set in the Alien universe where we get to see more diverse creatures and different variations of the xenomorph evolution leading up to it's original(final) form, rather than just David's dissection showroom (although I thought that was some pretty neat scenery). What we got instead was basically just another Alien movie with different characters who primarily function as beast fodder, rather than the Prometheus sequel I was expecting to see.
@Bobo Boy That is so disappointing!! I'm sure that if he just went through with the original plan this prequel trilogy could've gone down in film history... Maybe unpopular opinion, but I considered Prometheus to be a masterpiece, as slow paced and "boring" as other people found it. But it provided beautiful scenery, different alien species, a heroine who's travels to new worlds I was looking forward to following for the next few films and her unlikely sidekick. But they trashed it just to make an Alien remake basically. Ok if I had not seen Prometheus, I probably wouldn't mind Covenant as much, but they literally introduce so much mystery, plot and story possibilities at the end of Prometheus, and decide to just skip all of it for a generic blood bath creature feature where the entire cast serves no purpose aside from being beast fodder?!! Zoom past all the mystery and discovery straight to "Welp the robot did it and this is what we've got now!".
@@alexandregrand-pierre1981 David didnt need no more answers he was ready to play God he needed to cut out the equations to make the ultimate killing machine
@@alexandregrand-pierre1981 Prometheus was the best in my eyes he should of done it his way and kept the story slow to make more sense than him skipping along and laying clues around here and there to try to make us add up all the pieces
I find the argument that because "x movie is a horror movie, so we should expect people to make poor decisions" to be a horrible argument.
A good writer would endeavor to create a plot where threat and risks are sophisticated enough not to force the characters into being woefully inept for the purpose of creating drama.
The idea that this cannot be done betrays a lack of imagination and intellect on part of whoever makes the argument.
The spacesuit/helmet argument is a perfect example of this.
Even if everyone wore helmets all the time, it shouldn't be super difficult to have a character get into a situation where the glass on the helmet cracks or whatever.
More to the point of the video:
In Star Trek nobody wears helmets because Star Trek shows an extremely advanced humanity that has the scanning and medical equipment to deal with pretty much any disease or airborn pathogen imaginable.
This is not true for the Alien universe as should be apparent since the scanners fail to detect things in ways inconsistent with the promo material, and while I think this critique holds true for the older Alien movies as well, the idea of breathing in the air on a foreign planet before extensive research has been done on the bacteria and viruses possibly present, is a really, really big stretch.
(Also dude, when you have to reference external material to make sense of issues in the plot of a work you've already lost. A good story should work on its own without bandaids from supplementary material)
It is bad writing. You don't get to brush that aside by saying "lol, it's horror man, whatever."
The only thing such a response says is that you think it's okay for horror movies to be poorly written because they generally are, which I mean...
Okay? You're free to think that, but the fact of poor writing remains regardless.
Oram explanation was terrible- Oram had him at gun point and stated David was the devil, why all of a sudden trust him when Oram already knew David created the Alien and had it kill orams shipmates
To my understanding David's reaction of nonchalantly being like, "all right I'll tell you what's going on" caught him off-guard, and he wasn't really sure what to think. Also at that point Oram didn't know that he "created" the alien, he just knew that the alien had killed one of his crew, David and the alien (neomorph i guess?) were just staring at each other for a minute. After that scene is when David shows him his biology room and shows him the Alien stuff. So I don't think he "trusted" him per say, he just had no idea what was going on an was trying to understand, and David was telling him stuff.
@@Way2MuchFlava Not mention that if Oram shot David, either David evades the shot or he just powers through the gun. David got his head ripped off from his body by an Engineer and was still functioning. So I'm pretty sure he would've still functioned even if Oram fired.
Faith in the innocence of a baby egg.
A space crew abandons mission when hearing country music and gets killed.
also steps on a forein planet WITHOUT A FUKING SPACE SUIT
Also no fortnite
Exactly.
Yeah, that's probably the main issue I have with Alien: Covenant. The fact that the entire film shits the bed in the first 15 minutes.
Yea its a really bad movie, I think Ridley Scott gave no fucks at all other than the cash flow.
Aliens was not a B-movie for the record, it’s a F’n classic
To be fair, it wasn't exactly "Jaws" when it came out. Hence why it's called a "classic" and not a "blockbuster". So yeah, A "B movie" is definitely more accurate than saying "Big Hit"
Let me put it another way. There are no photos of giant queues of people going to watch this film, unlike Star Wars.
But a B Movie does not equate to a "Second Rate film". It's more to do with the production costs, and the priority given to them film at initial screening.
@@RogueBoyScout
Aliens was a massive success when it debuted. It was on the cover of Time magazine and the NYT reported on long lines even on weekdays. It was the 7th highest grossing film of the year in the United States and 3rd or 4th globally for 1986. This was the same year that saw Top Gun, Karate Kid II, Star Trek IV and Platoon premiere.
The film was nominated for 7 Academy Awards, including Weaver for best actress (and golden globe) which was unheard of for the genre then and won 2 awards for sound effects editing and visual effects.
Not to mention the long lasting effects Aliens had on the genre, women in action movies and it’s impact on filmmaking, film scores and so on. It’s routinely agreed upon to be in the top films of all time discussion, best sequels and best sci fi film.
It was immensely popular when it debuted and it has grown in popularity and appreciation since then.
Not bad for a “B Movie”.
F’n A
I think B movie here refers to the budget, though 11million wasnt too shabby in the 70s i think
@@samsonsliteye B movie refers to a second film in the theater. You would have higher budget A films with more star power and then a second film with less fanfare behind it. It is much like when you bought a mysic single with it's A and B side.
8:47 Your excuse for this obvious plothole would've made sense if the alien queen did not rip Bishop to shreds in Aliens.
I just watched all of this video..... "WHY AM I SO STUPID?"
@Milena Shvedova lmao RIP your doomed relationship
@Milena Shvedova ignorance is bliss, time fissures the mentally ill so enjoy it while it's a nice dream, and nah that year of the devil shit is nuts, I was moreso referring to the non binary part
Pandora's box also contained hope...
a concept you seem quite endeared to, my friend.
Nope youre wrong about that.
The story goes, that all the evils were let out of the pandora box, except one. Hopelessness.
Hopelessness was the mother of all evils because without hope, all seems lost.
@@davidkattan1275 Oh, that's good.
I like that explanation much better.
According to one theory, hope was the worst thing in Pandora's box (jar). It remained inside the box. Did this mean it is possessed by man or locked away from mankind? The ambiguity being key here. Is it worse to have hope or to not have any hope? The answer is subjective.
Uh yea.. no. Them not wearing helmets in Star Trek is stupid af too and it's not it being a horror movie that prompted people to point out how ridiculous that is.. it's the complete lack of scientific process or even common sense in exposing your respiratory system to an alien atmosphere
Then their dealing with a hostile predator? Also how do you know it would take them years? If this movies not trying to to present itself as a dumb horror flick then audiences wont treat as such.
Hmmm very insteresting
Tell me about the lack of realism in a series about people and aliens going around planets and finding other civilizations and banging the aliens too. I am pretty sure realism is the purpose of it.
Plus, in Star Trek they never wore seatbelts, thus was always flipping out of their chairs and into or over consoles.
#Hollyhood Hmm.. Didn't know Xenomorphs were real. Its a movie. These are fictional characters and fictional stories.
Not talking about truly safe, but where life is present bacterias also present (not talking about the bioweapon). It is almost sure that there are life forms deadly to foreign spaces just like on earth. I wouldnt take a step outside without hazard suits at least. Our immune system is capable of defeating hundreds of deceases by memory but even a common cold (like decease) from an alien planet is deadly to humans.
They could have just removed the Alien title and Xenomorphs and used a different looking species. There, it's a new movie that doesn't confuse and tarnish what we love from the originals.
The philosophies of this and Prometheus always bugged me, because they have nothing to do with Alien. They're way more closely related to those of Blade Runner. Everything from a godlike Creator fearing the rebellion of its creation, the creation seeking more life from its Creator, and the creation seeking to destroy its frail creator out of revenge. Yeah, that's all just rehashed ideas from Blade Runner.
love that james franco's pod smoked before it was set on fire it was like some weed reference gone bad lol
Nemanja Andrijevic There is a god
So Franco in Alien Covenant is smoking weed.
While in the movie Springbreakers, he is a rapper named ALIEN smoking weed.
* x files song playing *
Im sorry but Alien was not a B movie
It was, in terms of budget. It was a very low budget film.
You should consider broadening your definition. It has in terms of storytelling, the same setup up as old science fiction movies and horror movies, which are sometimes called B-movies. It does not lessen the movie Alien in any way.
It absolutely was. BSomething being a B-movie does not mean it is stupid or bad. Alien and Aliens very much proves that point.
I thought the same, but alien 3 and alien resurrection were B rated movies at their absolute best! if they were lucky enough to find someone that would rate them as such
yo +Nick Zzz your math fucking sucks.
Alien was 11 million dollars in 1979. That's the equivalent to 38 million in today's dollars.
B movie my ass.
"Why didn't they wear Hazmat Suits when going on a planet for the first time"
"Well because they don't in Star Trek!"
....
Seriously that's your defense?
Yes that is stupid. The characters in Star Trek are stupid, but Star Trek is meant to be fun TV adventure. This was a serious movie that took itself seriously and yet they acted stupider than 1960s Captain Kirk Star Trek Red Shirts.
And you don't get why people thought it hurt the movie?
If you know anything scientist today have deduced that if there is another planet like earth in a 'Goldilock zone' which has all the elements to support life then the life wont be much different then earth apart from the physiological differences that might be attributed to type of light, gravity, composition of atmosphere(differences in levels of O2 and N2), soil and a few more. But that doesnt mean that they will be physiologically much different because they tentacles or hair or anything unnecessary is usually got rid of in the evolution process.
In Covenant they find the planet that is best suited for human life much more then Origae-6. They were going to colonize Origae-6which was suited for human life and I am sure they werent going to live there wearing masks or bio-suits so if LV426 was better then Origae-6, i dont see any need for wearing a mask or bio-suit.
Because people are stupid.
Thats why.
Heres the logic.
Helm: heres a planet sir, its nice!
Sir: does it support out type of life?
Helm: yes!
Sir: is the weather nice?
Helm: yes! Fairly so at least!
Sir: are there critters big or tiny that can kill us that a suit will protect us from?
Helm: nope, sensors show an all clear.
Sir: great those suits fucking suck.
If people knew what the fuck they were talking about and were actually fucking legitimate people instead of soft namby pamby asshats they could intuit this shit.
But instead they condemn a movie because of a unimportant detail like a goddamn space suit that wouldnt have ultimately made a fucking bit of difference. At all. Not even a little.
If they had pointed out that the movie was weak because the monster couldnt have been something truly alien but it had the arrogant attempt to use irony and had the monsters basically being made by us, i could have respected that complaint. Because its true. I was really let down that the aliens had a human centric origin.
Its just a tired use of irony.
The engineers made us out of themselves. And they made the deacon out of themselves.
Then we fuck for a LOOOONG time and we make a better electric version of ourselves.
That thing finds them. Studies them. Understands them and their creations.
Goes all evil and shit.
Meddles with their deacon thing and mixes it with us.
Meddles some more. Poof alien.
Booooorinnng!
No where here did a goodamn environmental suit matter dynamically in the fucking least. Fuck.
you couldn't have posted a weaker comment then this. From the convo, that you posted above, you clearly say that they relied on ship's sensors and died but you clearly miss to relate and understand that the same thing was done with Origae-6. So we cant atleast reasonable accept that their sensors are pretty advance and can differential good and bad.
So ya pretty weak argument/reasoning.
Hiren Patel who are you talking to? Me? Try rephrasing your comment. It made no sense.
The point i was making is that even if they had worn suits, it wouldnt have mattered. Its unimpotant and given the overall context, theres a lot of reasoning behind them not wearing suits. Like the suits likely not being very useful but a huge unecessarry pain in the ass.
Well I guess I did but we are both talking the same thing with different perspectives.
Star Trek went on away missions mostly to M class planets, where the atmosphere is close to earth, but we see in Star Trek First Contact, the crew did have to wear space helmets to walk around outside the spacecraft. So, they scan the planet to see if they are going to need space suits.
Yes exactly. And you could consider the planet in Covenant to be this universe's version of an M-class planet. MUTHUR has scanned the planet and deemed it habitable, therefore just like with an M-class planet in star trek, they decide that there is no need for helmets.
@Mr Heck They could determine the composition of the atmosphere but not see below the cloud cover, so they knew it was habitable but they couldn't see that there was a city, a crash site, etc. C'mon man that one was easy ;)
@Mr Heck OMG dude. YES it's easier to detect the likely atmospheric composition of a whole planet, scientists on earth right now can do it for planets light years away. Seeing one small city on an entire planet is way way harder. Learn some science before dismissing a movie as stupid. A small, primitive city could look just like some rocks to a computer, especially, as I said, there were heavy storms (a major plot point of the whole movie) which blocked scans and transmissions.
I wouldn't try to read too much into the science of Star Trek: it was born as a direct descendant of older pulp sci-fi in the general template set by Edgard Rice Burroughs' John Carter stories, and evolved through film serials and comic strips with the likes of Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and so on: the sort of rowdy "space westerns" alluded to in Roddenberry's "Wagon Train to the Stars" elevator pitch: you're following a brave captain and his loyal crew on episodic adventures to weird places to deal with strange bug-eyed aliens, maybe kiss a few green alien girls and punch a few "space-injuns" in between daring escapes from tense cliff-hangers, without too much attention being placed on the science of how the rocketships and rayguns work...
That's not to say that Star Trek wasn't a particularly good example of that sort of that sort of thing: quite the contrary, the original series in particular had some particularly great sci-fi writers behind it! Jerome Bixby, Robert Bloch, Theodor Sturgeon, Ray Bradbury, Larry Niven, and Harlan Ellison, for example, are hardly light-weight writers of fantasy, science-fiction, and horror!
This is the sort of science fiction that also brought us excellent work like 'The Forbidden Planet', 'The Martian Chronicles', and a forerunner to 'Alien' in 'IT!: The Terror from Beyond Space', not to mention the likes of 'Star Wars', 'Doctor Who', or even 'Lost in Space' and the 'Flash Gordon' movie from the '80s (one of the last unapologetic examples of this sort of thing, played for bizarre camp and psychedelica, but still quite firmly in the spirit of the whole thing!)
But, the writers of that particular subgenre and generation of science fiction were exploring a slightly different area of science fiction than the one that worried about making sure that interplanetary space missions were scientifically realistic, with space suits so on: in that world, space-men can visit Mars and Venus without space-suits, aliens speak English and look human, and the speculative fiction elements tended to focus more on who and what humanity is, how it interacts with other worlds, what it can learn about itself and teach to alien beings, and so on.
For the "harder" side of science fiction from that era, where you are more likely to find realistic space-suits and zero-gravity space navigation and the problems with trying to make fist contact with Starfish Aliens and so on, you'd get a lot more mileage from, say, 'Space: 1999' or '2001: A Space Odyssey'.... These in particular began an era of interest in realistic science fiction that still colours sci-fi to this day; the Star Trek spin-offs and movies would have retconned some concessions to hard sci-fi, but I don't think Star Trek really ever needed it.
In short, it was perfectly OK, given the subgenre of sci-fi that Star Trek fell under (and continues to fall under, really), for Kirk and the boys to walk around on alien planets without space suits - the space suits aren't the point, and really would have gotten in the way of the Space Western fisticuffs, space-Romans, and other pulp fun that the show reveled in....
I just recently watched both Prometheus and Covenant on DVD. When I first saw the black stuff my first thought was of the black stuff in X Files. Anyone else?
Tiamaat, origin of the word "Material" Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, who bought creation forth from the Abyss
Ancient Sumerian/ Babylonian Pyramids were also covered in Bitumen, the black goo
Honestly I enjoyed Prometheus and Covenant, Prometheus being my favorite of the two. Really enjoyed how David caused just as much a sense of horror as the aliens did. Looking forward to seeing if the new Alien movie (2024 supposedly) takes place after Covenant or is more of a stand-alone like Prey was.
And the horror David creates is in such an incredible juxtaposition to the horror the xenomorphs create. David is so gentle in manner which creates a false sense of safety/trust, arguably making him more dangerous than the xenomorphs which are physically and visually aggressive and terrifying.
It was canceled. No more aline movies. Covenant ended that.
@@yurikendal4868Not true. They just wrapped filming. Will be released in theaters August 2024.
Standalone.
@@yurikendal4868no there's another Alien movie but sadly Disney r directly involved with it unlike with Prey so i don't expect much deep meanings or R ratings.
The problem with these explanations is the lack of logic used by the crew. The reason why the crew didn't know about the intervals of the storm was because the planet WAS NOT properly surveyed. This proved that the one liner of, "better than" X surveyed planet was false. And Most of the crew was stupid for going to said unsurveyed planet.
Actually the mural was explained in the first draft script, the mural depicts a god with the power to create life, the goo at the beginning of Prometheus the engineer drinks came from it, the black goo is a corrupted artificially made version of the xenomorph god.
In fact some of them do such stupid shit I'm amazed they got into space to begin with. Captain Oram to be exact, he got the entire Covenant ship, crew and cargo, just a test place now for David's machinations. All because of Orams shitty decision making.
This isn't bad ... but I think I disagree on one point. I think that the Engineers DID create the xenomorphs a long time ago ... and David is simply re-creating them. The xenomorphs encountered in 1979 are ancient xenomorphs, while we await the xenomorph that David has yet to create.
I also say that David is not pulling a HAL-9000. HAL malfunctioned because it could not resolve a problem in its programming: tell the truth, and withhold the truth ... HAL became paranoid as a result. With David, his is not so much a malfunction, but is the result of being a piece of technology that becomes far too advanced and begins developing emotions and motivation. I don't think that Weylund thought his creation was that advanced.
the novelization of the movie hints that the protomorph david created was just a reverse engineering of the xenomorphs that already existed
Well he is actually malfunctionning. In the scene where he speaks with Walter for the second time he says that it is Byron which is actually untrue
I agree with you two. That's what I think, -maybe- David plants Xenomorphs Ripley fights, but yes in Predator and AvP even if Ridley discredits it (he's Cameron after all) xenomorphs could have been created prior. David makes them with no tech. The Engineers have ALL the tech and in Alien there is a space jockey piloting that ship. If an android can replicate the process through rudimentary means, then surely the engineers were able to do the same thing over *thousands* of years right down to either they or Yautja planting them in Antarctica as a means to eradicate humans down the line as they apparently had the intention to possibly do. Plus this says to me in a full spectrum universe the Yautja may side with humanity and cull them as a possible 'sibling race' of elite warrior-hunters as I've said in other comments else where.
Much like it is possible, Shaw could have been used to make the face-hugger eggs but it is also possible those eggs were already there on that world along with black goo canisters. Or as the video-author spectates, maybe the Queen/s exist by a different route. It is a bit too vague, like if that world had lesser Engineers on it or a different seed-race. There has been the mystery all along if Weylan-Yutani harvest xenomorphs as their own possible bio-weapon soldiers. Also David's malfunctions could be because of getting his head ripped off and then ten years of isolation. Since he is human-minded, humans go crazy from isolation, he might too. That and Ridley has tied this universe into Bladerunner and the synthetics tend to have their glitches of madness coinciding with their genius.
Георгий Мозговой: EXACTLY! 99% of people miss that moment in the film. Where it's made clear that David is malfunctioning, as he answers Walter's question incorrectly. Even this video doesn't point it out.
It is actually quite funny that in one of the deleted scenes David says to Daniels (who is in cryo sleep) that it is time for a queen and that this will change everything, but as far as it is a deleted scene it may or may not be true in new films
Perfect Dark background music, nice.
Thank god someone else picked up on this! Massive nostalgia
@@timjkoala7556 I just watched this video for the 1st time, and I commented this, and then saw this comment. Music is actually quite similar to goldeneye 007, but also distinctly different.
Honestly the answers we got and the implications make the entire franchise even scarier and I am excited to see more meta stuff, since it seems like there is a real effort and drive to gell that story now. I'm starting the franchise from at Prometheus/Covenant. Haven't seen the original movies yet
Well I like how you put the Perfect Dark music in here. There's that
2 things from Covenant
In the film at the end when Walter/David is watching through the security cameras, the Alien is looking at the camera before destroying it, Walter/David at first seemed pleased seeing it on camera before it destroyed it leaving Walter/David looking nervous... could this be a foreshadowing of David's fate or representing the cycle of creation turning on it's creator.
Second, in an extra feature on the Blu Ray, David sent a transmission to Weyland Industries showing his experimentations with creating a perfect organism... this could be the link as to how W.I. knew about the aliens and possibly set things into motion for the first Alien movie.
I feel like by adding "Why are they so stupid" To the end of questions you are helping to just set them up as an army of strawmen to take down
Some people actually asked the question in those terms, so it's perfectly fair to answer them accordingly.
Also, I didn't like some of the choices made. I didn't think the characters were stupid, but just that for some artistic/practical reason they decided to leave it out of the movie, like not wearing space suits. I know it's a movie and those characters don't really exist, and the choices made behind the scenes were most likely not to make them look stupid. Nevertheless that broke my immersion somewhat. But, here's the deal: in real life that would be a stupid decision. This is fantasy, so some compromises are made. But some people will just thin of it as if it is real life, like a documentary and they'll call it as such
After watching your video and listening to your language and tone, I came to a few conclusions:
1) You enjoy the prequels (or at least enjoy Covenant)
2) During the whole video, you come across as very defensive ("WHY are they so stupid?" and the comparisons to Star Trek stick out). First of all, no-one is comparing Star Trek with Aliens; you have to illustrate a point. The comparison of two separate movie universes serve little point for the film goer who enjoys the Alien franchise and feels disillusioned with the path it has taken. Star Trek is based on a utopian Earth where we have resolved our internal issues and going out across the galaxy to explore and not exploit other aliens and their resources. The Alien franchise is the direct opposite.
3) You never once suggest Ridley Scott is trying to re-write his own work; instead you pass it off as character mistakes or errors. Ridley Scott is making it up as he goes along, regardless how you want to intepret it. If he had this grand scheme of the Aliens being created by an android or it only being 16 years rather than 1000's of years when they found the fossilised Engineer (also, wouldnt the tech be better 16 years later too? Therefore any scans of the alien fossil would have shown it was a rather recent alien rather than a 1000 year old body???)
4) Reading the description above it states "It's okay to be wrong". I think you meant to write "It's okay to have a differing opinion" OR "It's fine to debate". This video is not debating an opinion, you come across as sarcastic and talking down to people with a differing view to you.
Personally I enjoyed listening to your discourse about the Alien species and how you laced in comparisons/clips and then used this to create a reasoned, well thought out debate. Keep up the good work, just maybe try to be more objective and see the debate from both sides.
Amazing video! I love both Prometeus and Covenant (Die hard alien fan here) and I can't wait to see the next movie that connects the story! I've knew some of the stuff you spoke about in this video but I also learned a lot new information so big THANK YOU!
"B-movie action horror of the first two Alien movies" Both of them are pinnacle of Sci fi and Horror genre! They are the very top of A-movies!!! There isn't anything above them!
THANK YOU!!! I commented the exact same thing! He lost my respect once I heard him say those words. So offensive to the genre. I want him to take it back! LOL
‘B movie’ as in the low budgets used to create them. He clearly is a fan of the first two films.
Both movies made the most of their budgets and are held up to this day as examples of amazing practical effects, so even if that's what he meant, it doesn't make sense.
Alien and Aliens are very much B movies in terms of origin and content (original script was called Starbeast),
BUT their production quality elevates them to something much more, in the same way as Star Wars and Indiana Jones did for action adventure movie serials (20th Fox actually green light Alien after success of Star Wars proved there was a market for big budget revivals of old fashioned sci-fi).
The rather talented film maker David Cronenberg once said Alien would be a ridiculous if it didn’t have the budget/art direction, just a man in a crocodile suit chasing people down corridors.
The original Alien films are a testament that great visual flair can negate any problems with a film project.
You know... This answers a lot of questions in a fantastic fashion. It's baffling to me that movie goers actually expect the characters to know what's going to happen, even if the audience knows. They need to know that this is the whole point of a film, guys. Characters are thrown into situations with little to no time to prepare. The actors may have seen the original films. But there's a difference between roleplay and real life, folks. If someone doesn't understand that... They need to make a reality check lol. Great video!
Love the Futurama Omicron Persei 8 reference 🤣
Oh no don't get me wrong....Prometheus ruined the origin of the xenomorph at the time, Covenant just swooped in and made it even worse.
Patriot Cat exactly, since there was no origin the xenomorph was a more terrifying, mysterious force. It made studying them in these films seem logical even though it would almost always end in disaster for researchers. But now they're a...biproduct from a weird black alien goo, that was modified by an android we made simply because he desired to make the perfect being. It made a seemingly unstoppable force of nature (as natural as space gets) into some douchebag's science project. It simply took the fun out of it. Alien and Aliens was about survival, horror, human intelligence striving over the deadliest of species to have ever evolved. But now the alien franchise has become drowned in philosophical nonsense, and if this was the writer's original vision for the xenomorphs, then I say bravo to whoever stopped him for alien and aliens.
Verse Jumper - What absolute tosh. "Since there was no origin the xenomorph was a more terrifying, mysterious force" - no. The Alien movies have become increasing by-the-numbers and predictable ever since _Aliens_ hit the screens. You don't have to watch the movies to know what happens - bug gets loose, people die. Usually badly. Rinse and repeat.
And they did.
There was noting either terrifying or mysterious beyond the first film - and that sense of established in the first mystery _Ridley Scott_ bought to the table. All O'Bannons original script was was a knock-off of 20 Million Miles to Earth.
You manage to exemplify exactly what's been wrong with these movies ever since _Alien_ - you apparently can't seem to comprehend anything much beyond the bug. Scott left these tantalizing glimpses of a far larger and more Lovecraftian universe lurking out there when the crew of the Nostromo discovered that first Juggernaut.
That whole thing though got left behind. All Ridley Scott's done is re-introduce the actual things that made the first movie intriguing.
The xenomorphs are frankly nothing. They're a bug. That's it. That is their story - they'll never bee anything but bugs.
If Scott could only get to shake that whole aspect of them and move on, eventually we'd get somewhere possibly interesting.
What this franchise needs is less _alien_ fans, I say. Blow 'em all out the airlock, they've done more to keep this franchise dumb than anyone.
I am a huge alien fan and personally LOVED prometheus and covenant BECAUSE it answered questions. I didnt care that the answers weren't a traditional alien movie, I didnt expect it to be. Instead though, you get a world of possibilities to think about and play with. You can still enjoy the originals on their own if you don't agree with the direction it's going, after all it's just a story! A creative idea! Some people think canon makes it set in stone history (like it happened in real life) but it's not so serious. People shake up stories all the time and it's okay to say what if.
As for it being different, do you really think you could continue to enjoy and be scared by xenomorphs without any change to the story? Just endlessly watching people fight against these creatures, no questions asked? Not me. Either shake it up or leave it alone.
Seems more like “here’s why I like the movie” rather than anything else. And Star Trek is the benchmark for everything sci-fi?
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WHY DOES A COLONY SHIP WITH THOUSANDS ON BOARD ONLY HAVE ONE LANDER????????!!!!!!!
probably because it's only there for a quick trip to the surface to check conditions. Once the scientists are satisfied that the planet is capable of supporting life, the whole colony ship lands. Colony ships are one-way trips, it's not like the Sulaco that is designed for multiple missions. Maybe.
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Yep.. that makes sense.
One way trip to the surface of the planet, everybody out, tear apart the ship for resources etc., build a civilization.
cheers Al
@@AlIguana Have you seen how many emergency boats mid sized cruise ships carry around? Usually enough to carry %80 of the ships passengers, which in covenant's case should be about 800 people. Do you think 800 people could have fit on such a puny ass lander X^D?
They did have 2, but in the book Covenant Origins it's explained how one of them was sacrificed to stop a supply ship crashing into and destroying the Covenant before it left for space
@@charliesmith4527 Why the fuck wouldn't they turn around and immediately resupply with another one???
This if literally Fox Executive meddling THE MOVIE.
"We really need to kill everyone off as soon as possible, yeah no helmets first day on a alien planet. Yeah one lander for a thousand people!"
I thought Alien Convenant was seriously awesome and a great watch. David is absolutely fascinating.
No matter how advanced your planet scanners are, would you really risk jumping off your ship without a suit? That's completely idiotic.
Their initial mission was literally to find some new planet to inhabit, which would absolutely entail not living in suits. It would defeat the purpose to land somewhere they'd expect to need a suit.
+Stacey Bright Chekov and Paul Warfield transported onto Seti Alpha 5 in Wrath of Khan with suits on a planet in which it wasn't completely necessary.
If it were me i'd be wearing a space suit, plus a catchers mask and a bucket of baking soda....
Wow, you let a small detail like that ruin the whole movie for you? It didn't even phase me, because I was paying attention to the movie, and not retarded details. It's a movie fuckstick, not the boring reality of your insignificant existence.
@@Eurodollartrader Besides, the people in Covenant trusted their equipment that was state of the art at that time. But I would say that what happened in this movie would lead to stricter quarintine protocols by Ellen Ripley's timeline.
I just want to point out that there is a 100% cannon comic where a group of soldiers go back to the planet where Prometheus takes place, and they go inside a mountain and get trapped, during this time the ship around them begins to kinda melt, then they find out that a liquid that is dripping off the ceiling of the cave is dripping stomach acid, and the mountain is alive.
It turns out that the mountain is what the Neomorph grew into after years and years of being on the planet.
And yes, the thing that burst out of the Engineer was called a Neomorph, not a imperfect Xenomorph, two different types.
I do not think you understand what happened to the HAL 9000, It was clearly explained in 2010. Quite simply he followed orders to the best of its ability. That in no way jives with what happened with David.
Covenant gives shit about the story we expected from Prometheus 2. It just tries to finish off the Prometheus story as quick as possible. We were supposed to see what happens when they get to engineer's planet but what we get is a 2 minute video how everybody died and that's it. Ffs
If a movie has to be explained to the nth degree for it to make sense, then they didn't do a good job with the story and/or editing of it.
@farenheit041 far be it for me to question your superior knowledge on what is 'smart'. But allow me to give you a little knowledge to consider...
Good stories, whether they be movies, books, TV shows, stage plays etc. all have one thing in common. They make the audience invest themselves in the characters.
I have no idea whether you were around when the original Alien movies came out (nor do I care), but they were an art form. You invested yourself into the characters because the people making those movies understood what good story telling was. It didn't need to be massively complex, it just needed to have characters/situations that didn't take you out of the movie, and that you could relate to.
They treated the audience as if they had a brain, and did not allow the audience to be one step ahead.
Directors, screenwriters, editors, sculpt the movie, and if the actors do not have decent material to work with, it shows to those people who are looking for more than just flashy lights and big explosions.
It's called fanboy story expansion.
They are making these videos because people refuse to think while watching these movies
OR maybe people are fucking stupid and don't know how to watch films? Literally 99% of the issues this video "explained to the nth degree" is because 99% of the issues people bring up are flat out EXPLAINED in the film either overtly or through basic common inference.
That was way more interesting and insightful that I expected it to be and I believe I do feel a germ of change in opinion growing somewhere deep inside my chest. Cheers!
What kind of speech text does he use in this video?????
Oh the poetic irony of Ridley Scott's career in relation to his philosophical themes in the new direction he is taking the franchise is beautiful. Scott "created" the Alien franchise in 1979 and walked away from the creation for 33 years. That is an awfully long time to be "just waiting to make another alien movie." In that time the franchise has evolved into something wild and new and now that Scott has "come back" to attempt to control his creation, it is ultimately resulting in his destruction, as each new production falls further and further down in both ratings and sells.
And don't throw that "perfect organism" argument at us. Because as bad as the movie was, Alien Resurrection came as close to showcasing these Perfect Organisms as being remotely intelligent for the first time in three movies. As shown repeatedly throughout the entire franchise (and yes I still view the two AVP movies as cannon regardless of how bad they ultimately were), these prefect beings will just charge head long at anything in front of them that isn't also a Xenomorph. Regardless of how many fall before them. On the note of the Neo-morphs not attacking David because he "confused" them with his none organic presence, WHAT!? Never before in the long history of Xenomorph behavior has a Xenomorph spared a single synthetic, as a synthetic offers nothing of beneficial biomass to the Xenomorphs. If able to a Xenomorph will capture a subject to be used as an incubator to further grow their colonies numbers rapidly, a synthetic is completely useless for this purpose. Meaning that logically speaking a Xenomorph will always kill a synthetic without hesitation, every time.
And above all, where the hell does Ridley fucking Scott get off just dismissing others works as ridiculous when he wasn't anywhere to be seen when no less than five movies were made using his creation? Let alone the thousands of comics, books, and fan movies created based solely on the first movie, and built upon with the release of the later three. Where was he then? Just sitting around waiting to make another one I guess. Instead we are promised answers to the questions we have been asking for decades, Who were the Space Jockey's? Why was their ship crashed on LV-426? Where did the Xenomorph eggs come from? Where was the Xenomorph that busted out of the Space Jockey in the first movie? Only to be presented with a horrible movie that failed in almost every account. We did find out that the Space Jockey was an Engineer, but that was the only connection to the first movie that Prometheus had. They cut the part of the script that would have answered everything we as the audience wanted to know about the mystery of the crashed ship in the first movie.
And now everyone is arguing over the fact that we as the audience were disappointed at not seeing an Xenomorph is a movie at was suppose to be about the Xenomorph. Really? We got a movie that so far does nothing to relate to the Alien movie of 1979, but goes on a farfetched journey of religious discovery turned hate fueled revenge. Ridley Scott really needs to sit down and watch his own movie from all those years ago to remind himself of the movie he is suppose to be making. At this rate it would seem that David will go on to bring the colony ship to Origae 6 and finish his experiments on the remaining colonist, then somehow find a new Engineer ship to go back to LV-426 and crash. But a huge monkey wrench in this plan is the Space Jockey was chest busted. Meaning that David can't be the one that goes back to LV-426 before the events of the first Alien movie because he can't host a Xenomorph. And I don't think a Engineer will have the knowledge to be able to handle the eggs onto its ship without something happening long before hand.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far nothing that has happened in either Prometheus or Alien Covenant links back to Alien 1979. Because if Ridley Scott were to have his egotistical way with it then the only thing that is truly cannon would only be his movie from 1979. And how selfish is that to be honest?
These other movies are sequels & that's why Scott wasn't involved. What more was there to tell after the fact? Anyone could (and has) taken the story where they pleased. He chose to wait & tell a more interesting story of how that original came about. Any sequel just rehashes Alien!
Perfect organism doesn't mean smarter, but rather more adaptable.
You even called them Neo-morphs & then use Xeno's reactions as an argument. We've only seen Neo's interact with one Synthetic who also happens to be their creator.
The movie IS about Xenomorphs, the Goo & their evolution.
Why keep saying "go back to LV-426"? Prometheus was on LV-223. None have been to the 1979 Alien planet...yet.
There's no connection to the first movie. There's still nearly 20yrs to pass & that's where the 3rd prequel will come in. Hope you get your answers cause your post is full of wrong & misinformation.
@@fastfish1186 you, sir, are the real MVP.
This Perfect Dark background music has me smiling lol
22:00 - Ridley Scott himself has said the planet David destroys IS the Engineer home world, so there goes that theory.
James Smith does he really??? Could you post a link to the interview
www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-awakening---ridley-scott-confirms-engineers-return-alien-covenant-sequel
The maker of this video is clearly just a fucking idiot
James Smith: No, nothing in the link you provided state that it was the home world.
lone wolf did you even read the article? Thats obviously what he's saying dude. Do you need him to spell it out for you? Don't be ignorant.
I love this movie, it isnt perfect...but David is a fantastic character and the lore is interesting. There are definitely Alien cliches scattered throughout the two films but David is a strong enough character for me to stay engaged.
The music for this video is Perfect.....
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Umm... yes. It’s just would make characters more relatable and cautious, and tragedy more devastating. Blindly believing some scans for couple minutes on unexplored planet is incredible stupid and technical explanations is not justified it at all.
Just one gripe here from me.
I think you misstate criticism 2 in your opening. I agree, as you state it, Covenant confirms (or at least supports) certain broad questions about the Engineers' motivations. But that's not quite the same as what I think people are mainly objecting to. In Covenant, we wanted the *specifics* of how humans rebelled against/disobeyed the Engineers. The end of Prometheus implied we'd get those answers in the next movie. We'd see Elizabeth Shaw confront the Engineers face to face and get her answer, instead of getting killed offscreen before the movice began. It was an eyerolling experience - all I could think was that Ridley Scott went back on his (tacit) promise in order to jerk us around for another few hours, so he could milk the franchise for yet another movie. It kind of throws one out of the film when you're thinking about how shady the filmmakers are, instead of being drawn into the actual film.
Prometheus crews: wears protective suit and helmet when going outside (I know the outside/surface is toxic)
Covenant crews: just wear like you're hiking, no helmet because everything is similar to earth
If the Neomorph's didn't attack David because they recognised him as a non-biological lifeforms, how did Walter get his hand torn off by a Neomorph earlier in the movie?
He jumped in the way to save the Lady. The monster wasn't actually attacking him.
because he punched the thing in the jaw to stop it from attacking the lead character Daniels.
If..let’s say a bear attacks some one and you throw a stick at its face, it might bite the stick.
Because he stuck his hand in its mouth and the neomorph thought “Oh my prey is feeding me!” the chomped down?
Bishop was also torn apart by a xenomorph queen because.. why not. He was identified as a threat at that moment.
LOVE the Perfect Dark Music,... the BEST GAME EVER!
I'm not against movies that make you think and consider more in your mind after watching them. But I don't prefer paying $10 for a film that I have to make excuses for afterwards. I didn't feel like I had to do the same for 2001, Donnie Darko, Blade Runner, or even Prometheus in order to enjoy them. Alien: Covenant is just bad screenwriting.
Would the crew wearing suits make the movie better to me?
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Yes
Hell yeah! some decent common sense and reasoning would have been nice as well. Backed up by a good story that surpasses that common sense and reasoning and still wreaks havoc.
"In this video I'm going to give you answers about why things happened."
The answer: "WELL STAR TREK DIDN'T CARE ABOUT LOGICAL CONSISTENCY WHY SHOULD WE?"
Alex Beglan it literally is at least twice. And Star Trek is not a sci-fi tech series, it’s a sci-fi fantasy universe. Everything is a desus ex. This is a terrible video.
nozaku Star Trek is not “Space Fantasy” lmao
Do you even understand what a logical inconsistency is? Have you even watched the video? Do you wake up in the morning and need someone else to wipe your ass?
The reason they don't wear helmets is because there is no reason to as they've established that the atmosphere is clean. Those helmets and suits aren't protective devices, they're breathing suits, kind of like space suits and diving suits. This is why helmets didn't protect anyone in Prometheus. And people don't just randomly wear body armor when there is no perceivable danger. And the saddest thing is? This is explained in the video itself.
I loved and still love covenant. Always did, always will.
I was never confused. And i think if people do... they cant understand it yet. Or just dont want to listen what the movie tells them.
*Can we get a human pilot that can actually land a spacecraft without crashing it?
*Can we get an intelligent futuristic crew that listens to computer warnings w/o dismissing them (You'd think we have computer software quite perfected to diagnose problematic outcomes by then)..."Warning, do not exceed x-factor or ship will explode" It gets dismissed and ship blows up...movie over.
*Can we get a crew that doesn't treat an alien world like they're visiting Disney World?
...Danny McBride was your best choice for Alien Covenant????
Okay, I had to stop watching this as soon as he said that the Covenant is heading to Omicron Persei 8. That's the planet from FUTURAMA that the Emperor Lrrrrrr comes from.
Is he wrong? I only watched Alien Covenant once, so I just assumed that I missed a hidden nod to Futurama.
Phencyclidine He IS wrong, the Covenant is heading to Oregai 6.
So what, i think he was making a joke
In my experience, jokes are usually funny.
Riley Lynch my mistake, cheers mate
Audience : Why A?
This video: The character does not know that, you do while watching the movie.
Audience: Why B?
This video: The character does not know that, you do while watching the movie.
Exactly, the character does not know that! In a situation like that, with so much unknown, apply common sense of being cautious.
When the crew start exploring the planet, they stop for a rest break while one of the members sits down to have a "smoke break." 1) What corporation, business entity or organization in the world would select a smoker to join their very expensive expedition? 2) Even if cigarettes were somehow engineered to not cause cancer, they are still a fire hazard in a very expensive space ship. 3) Since they were relocating to a brand new world, where did this crew member think he was going to buy cigarettes when his supply ran out? 4) Considering the fact that every piece of cargo would have had to be accounted for in the ships manifest, exactly how many packs of cigarettes was he allowed to take with him. 5) The expedition brought a smoker with them. 6) Since the artificial atmosphere was an enclosed space, why did they allow someone who smokes to come along? 6) There was a smoker on board.
Oh my God, lots of BS excuses. I guess you can rationalize every bad movie script and convince yourself that it is good. Suspension of disbelief should be a result of a good script.
Suspension of disbelief is earned, it's not something that a story is automatically owed. It also has its limits. We accept the force exists in Star Wars, but we don't accept that Jedi can just create matter out of nothing, or be in two places at once, or time travel. Just because you accept some parts of a story so there can be a story does not mean you're obligated to accept every bullshit idea the writer comes up with. It needs to be consistent. You can't just constantly change the rules in the middle of the action with no warning and then claim "Suspension of disbelief!" That's not how storytelling works. It's not how *good* storytelling works, anyway.
@@irllcd13 Well said
Your opinion
Nothing beside (David) remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
A fitting tribute to the faded promise of Alien, Aliens subsequent films
honestly, the fact that they killed off Shaw so lazily just left a sour taste in my mouth. and also the ending.
I, for one, loved Prometheus, but disliked covenant A LOT.
This movies should have been part of the Alien Universe, they should have been their own thing just like how Species was its own thing.
It's a shame we'll probably never get a conclusion to this arc. I actually really like what Ridley was doing with the Xenomorph. Better than James Cameron just making them space bugs.
Heard the Disney will let scott finish it
Truuuuuuu
Ruin*
andreiiik savvv jus saw tht this morning ...when in tha hell did disney get enough money to buy every fuckin thing
@@uncannyvalley2350 maybe...but dont you want to see how it pans out?
The crew sure was Dumb and Incompetent!!
Wonder how Weyland Yutani, a Corporate Organization choose its crew? Don't they run extensive Medical, Psychological, Physical tests on the Subjects to ensure they are capable of living in space?
The Crew of Prometheus were slightly better with each being an expert in their respective field but having no skills or even the basic common sense in others. Like for e.g. when that Geologist freaks out when they find Giant Dead Aliens ..surely, if Wayland does a pyschological assesment of him, he would fail. Why would they select such failures to go on-board on such an expensive mission. Vickers says she choose them personally, what paramenters she used to select the crew.
digging the 'Perfect dark" theme music lol
I don’t hate this movie, but it was not “very successful” it probably made a small profit.
There was room to build upon it, but the actions of half the characters made no sense, maybe there was too much studio interference.
For whatever reason the prequels didn’t work, but rewatching the movies I can hardly call them “good”
Hoping Romulus can bring it back to glory.
I can hear the salt in your voice kid
WAITING FOR MOTHER! David is talking about the SHIP, mother. They are waiting for a way to escape and spread.
They don't wear helmets in Star Trek because they have transporters, and also they have a general idea of what they're getting into. They also have advanced medical capabilities. I don't recall if we ever see them wear suits, but if they needed to, they could. In general, they didn't lean too much into realism because it makes it hard to focus on other things that way.
We are expecting these 2 movies to revolve around aliens, NOT DROIDS! The entire Covenant movie is mostly about David's intentions. Mine as well change the movie's title to Droid: Convenant.
"B-Movie action horror of the first two Alien films."
are you for real? The first Alien has no action, and Aliens is definitely not B-Movie level. Do you even know what the term "B-Movie" means?
Bull Session He got the definition from M. Night Shyamalone
What are you talking about? The first Alien has multiple gun fights and an entire mech suit fight scene that culminates in the destruction of the ship.
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@@PierzStyx that was the second one.
Ridley Scott described the first movie's plot as a B-movie plot lol (Not saying it's bad in anyway btw)
Huge disagreement, the crew was very reckless, it would not have saved them but there is no reason at all they could not orbit the planet for a couple days to see what the weather is like, take more detailed scans and get a better idea. They went fast because for whatever reason the new Captain wanted to get them down on the planet quickly to prove going there was a smart idea.
Space Jesus and the reinterpretation of Greek myth is going way to far and deep, if Scott meant to do that he went over the edge and did not include nearly enough information.
Also the crew was very reckless leaving the lander without helmets, you say they have sensors, but those sensors seemed to not notice basically zero fauna on the planet. The proto-aliens created by the spoors killed everything that was not plant life and the sensors made no notice of this?
28:00 The novelisation of Aliens heavily implies the Derelict has been there thousands of years...
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This is my biggest problem with Covenant and it’s implications. It absolutely messes up the timeline. Even Ridley Scott said that the derelict was a cargo ship, the eggs being the cargo used for biological warfare. The ship had clearly crashed a long time ago, long enough for the Engineer’s suit to at least partially fuse to the chair and fossilise, so at least a few thousand years. The reason the eggs hadn’t fossilised is because they were kept in that stasis field designed to keep them alive but inert until interacted with.
@@Gaminglord12 That's because Alien Covenant doesn't affect anything, David made his OWN subspecies of xenomorph meaning everything can still make sense, and the xenomorphs have existed for millenia
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I wish this were true, and it was my head canon immediately after watching the film, but Ridley Scott and the supporting media for the film make it clear that David is in fact the creator of the Xenomorph. Originally Scott intended for the Engineers to be the ones who created it, but he changed his mind and made it David. That’s the truth of the matter regardless of how we feel about it.
TimmyNoThumbz I hope for a further film with xenomorphs birthing and having David’s face (with the two mouths !) that would be awesome and totally in keeping with current writing ...
Killing shaw was so stupid.i wanted to see her meet the engineers
28:47 I LOVE this video but I think you missed this about the Alien Queen. David said that he's created better and better iterations of the alien and that in its closest form the eggs are "Waiting for Mother". He meant this as in: he needs a queen to create the perfect organism. I'm assuming he needs a women to create the alien queen which is why he did experiments on Elizabeth Shaw to try and turn her into an Alien Queen (I'm assuming they failed) and also needs Daniels ALIVE to turn her into an Alien Queen as well. That's why he's so relieved seeing Daniels alive after the final Alien battle.
Another angle is all that he succeeded in creating a perfect alien organism by successfully turning Shaw into an Alien Queen which is whre the eggs would have came from.Though I recall him saying telling Oram (New captain after James Franco dies) that he needs new material to continue testing (which is why he needs the 2000 colonists on the ship).
Yes either Shaw, who may have been cloned, or Daniels is the ALIEN QUEEN.
Waiting for mother refers to the eggs lying dormant until an organism or womb is present. Eggs can be grown, most likely from some combination with ze goo
As soon as you used BELLIGERENTLY DRUNK Ridley interview footage to reinforce the argument that a studio NOTORIOUS for tampering w/ projects, and a director NOTORIOUS for writing horrible films, yet churning out masterpieces so long as he doesn't write, failed miserably in churning out the incoherent train wreck that this prequel trilogy is, because "critics" made them change course... You lost all credibility. I'm 1:28 in BTW. Lmao. Please, go read the original screenplay for Prometheus that Ridley hacked to shreds before you blame critics for this flaming zeppelin of a franchise.
If a movie needs a complex 30 minute explanation to make it work, the movie has failed.
Helmets never make much of a difference in these movies. The facehugger cut itself in alien so it could melt the glass
You can argue all you want, both films just didn't manage to pull the magic off.